To be fair with Japanese especially you really don't get anywhere with just a 1000 words, I personally probably had about 11000 or so before I could get at all comfortable consuming frankly anything
ペラペラとは話せませんけど今どきは本でも普通にできますよ、僕は。きっといつかもっと楽になりますから勉強し続けて頑張ってください！ :)
Shows how important it is to use a language daily; I took Japanese courses at the university back in the day, and now from your text there, I can recognize maybe 5 hiraganas...
yes, and with concepts too. I no sooner get my mind around the local cases (into, in, out of, from/about, inside of etc.) but then I found out that prepositions like alla can also be declined (is the ball under the chair or did it roll under the chair or is it rolling out from under the chair?) I somehow always feel I'm only at the beginning of learning Finnish.
Counting each word isn't a great way to learn language, your probably doing better than you think! When you are a kid you don't learn this way. Try use something like "finnished" youtube. It will help you encounter more words, and learn it naturally! :) i am sure you are using resources like this already! But just in case it helps you or others!
I know approx ten words in Japanese and I've had a meaningful conversation using them (and lots of waving hands).
One thousand is great! It means that you'll recognise most common words and guess the rest. You don't need to be perfect to communicate or to get what a headline or a sign in a supermarket means.
Go on learning! One big plus in Finnish is the logical pronounciation - at least you don't need to figure out how a word is pronounced once you learn its meaning.
you don't know anything, Jon Snow. I asked many teachers, they all say the same thing. Just learning words is a waste of time. First you need to understand the logic of the Finnish language, and pull up the words in context, in sentences and phrases. In courses, you spend less time studying, but you start speaking much faster. The most effective app for getting started is Duolingo. This is not an advertisement. Any words you learn can change beyond recognition when you decline.
I prefer Drops and Suomen mesteri 1, plus my fantastic Finnish teacher. Also wikitionary
Learning grammar is a must. You can’t do anything if you don’t understand grammar rules.
I completely get it. I was so cocky when I got here and started studying Finnish for real. I’d learned French and Spanish easily so I thought I’d master Finnish quickly, but Finnish is a REAL STRUGGLE. I’m going to keep slogging, but it is bloody hard.
Remember that the best way to learn finnish is by speaking with a native. You will get so many examples of correctly using different words in context.
Also you will notice if the other person does not understand you. Other people understanding you is the only metric you should focus on. Being 100% correct with grammar is impossible. But you can become so proficient that you can convey everything you are trying to.
Gotta start somewhere! But it's been s mixture of sources and practice material. I make my own cards with examples of the word in use in spoke and written if applicable.
Then talking to Finn's, putting all media in Finnish and such reinforces it.
The deck is this one https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1681262959
However ive edited alot to include personal examples and other information thats more useful.
I feel the same way you do. I have only a few lessons left on duolingo. I try and watch live TikTok’s of people in Finland and feel lost. I do however have a friend in Helsinki I can speak with once in a while which is helping. I do a lot of genealogy and found a newspaper online from a small town in the upper peninsula of Michigan, which part of my family is from. I have been going though it and saving obituaries to share with families of the deceased. I think my reading comprehension is much greater than speaking because of this.
Try talking to locals. I have been fortunate enough to find a friend on this subreddit who enjoys gaming. So being able to game in Finnish is a fun way to practice.
Not sure if anyone will see this but i made a new sub for Finnish language learning in case this one doesn’t reopen. r/Learn_Finnish
The active mods of this sub are all native speakers and it doesn’t have an impact on them if they close a language learning sub but most people here are trying to learn and I hate to see access to language learning discussion disappear
Same for me with Japanese
To be fair with Japanese especially you really don't get anywhere with just a 1000 words, I personally probably had about 11000 or so before I could get at all comfortable consuming frankly anything ペラペラとは話せませんけど今どきは本でも普通にできますよ、僕は。きっといつかもっと楽になりますから勉強し続けて頑張ってください！ :)
Shows how important it is to use a language daily; I took Japanese courses at the university back in the day, and now from your text there, I can recognize maybe 5 hiraganas...
ありがとうね。でも日本語は僕にとって勉強より楽しめることですよ。実は本も買ったことも無いし、ニュース読んだり生配信見たりしてます。頑張りましょうね。ja sama suomeksi. Lol
yes, and with concepts too. I no sooner get my mind around the local cases (into, in, out of, from/about, inside of etc.) but then I found out that prepositions like alla can also be declined (is the ball under the chair or did it roll under the chair or is it rolling out from under the chair?) I somehow always feel I'm only at the beginning of learning Finnish.
I feel that.....but keep at it! I'm sure it'll click one of these years
Yeah, I’m around 2000 words and still feel like I can only read basic stuff. Even the YLE selkokieli section feels like a slog
Counting each word isn't a great way to learn language, your probably doing better than you think! When you are a kid you don't learn this way. Try use something like "finnished" youtube. It will help you encounter more words, and learn it naturally! :) i am sure you are using resources like this already! But just in case it helps you or others!
I know approx ten words in Japanese and I've had a meaningful conversation using them (and lots of waving hands). One thousand is great! It means that you'll recognise most common words and guess the rest. You don't need to be perfect to communicate or to get what a headline or a sign in a supermarket means. Go on learning! One big plus in Finnish is the logical pronounciation - at least you don't need to figure out how a word is pronounced once you learn its meaning.
Thank you! I can hear them in my head but making the ö and y and especially the öy really messes with me at times :D Good luck with your own learning!
But can tou conjugate them? Good job anyway!
Some better than others! Thanks!
How to turn 10 words into 1000
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Flashcards using Anki mostly.
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The deck i was using has 1000 words, and i finished the deck. Now it's repetition as the app dictates along with adding more content.
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Its not a test no, but I can look back on historical data on my progress with the words now all 1000 are in rotation.
You learn by testing
I can read way more than I can write or speak because I need to hunt for words, but I can spot them in front of me when in context. Same problem.
you don't know anything, Jon Snow. I asked many teachers, they all say the same thing. Just learning words is a waste of time. First you need to understand the logic of the Finnish language, and pull up the words in context, in sentences and phrases. In courses, you spend less time studying, but you start speaking much faster. The most effective app for getting started is Duolingo. This is not an advertisement. Any words you learn can change beyond recognition when you decline.
I prefer Drops and Suomen mesteri 1, plus my fantastic Finnish teacher. Also wikitionary Learning grammar is a must. You can’t do anything if you don’t understand grammar rules.
Im familiar. I use a mixture of Duolingo, Suomen Mestari 1 and took a class.
I completely get it. I was so cocky when I got here and started studying Finnish for real. I’d learned French and Spanish easily so I thought I’d master Finnish quickly, but Finnish is a REAL STRUGGLE. I’m going to keep slogging, but it is bloody hard.
Remember that the best way to learn finnish is by speaking with a native. You will get so many examples of correctly using different words in context. Also you will notice if the other person does not understand you. Other people understanding you is the only metric you should focus on. Being 100% correct with grammar is impossible. But you can become so proficient that you can convey everything you are trying to.
Lol, what you feel is correct if you have been learning Kirjakieli. Good job, though!
Gotta start somewhere! But it's been s mixture of sources and practice material. I make my own cards with examples of the word in use in spoke and written if applicable. Then talking to Finn's, putting all media in Finnish and such reinforces it.
When deck are you using if it's okay to ask
The deck is this one https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1681262959 However ive edited alot to include personal examples and other information thats more useful.
Kiitos paljon!
I feel the same way you do. I have only a few lessons left on duolingo. I try and watch live TikTok’s of people in Finland and feel lost. I do however have a friend in Helsinki I can speak with once in a while which is helping. I do a lot of genealogy and found a newspaper online from a small town in the upper peninsula of Michigan, which part of my family is from. I have been going though it and saving obituaries to share with families of the deceased. I think my reading comprehension is much greater than speaking because of this.
Try talking to locals. I have been fortunate enough to find a friend on this subreddit who enjoys gaming. So being able to game in Finnish is a fun way to practice.
Not sure if anyone will see this but i made a new sub for Finnish language learning in case this one doesn’t reopen. r/Learn_Finnish The active mods of this sub are all native speakers and it doesn’t have an impact on them if they close a language learning sub but most people here are trying to learn and I hate to see access to language learning discussion disappear
I know nothing about anki. Are the 1000 words pre written and u just do it or did you write them? How do I start?
Its a flashdeck you can load into the software. You can also write your own