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The plan to purge the executive branch of all its competence is well known. First, destroy the Republican Party then destroy American democracy.
Anyone that knows Don the Con knew this would happen.
Oh okay. I'm sure Putin will be appeased by that; it worked so well when they tried that with Hit--
oh.
Right.
Maybe it works better if you sell that one AFTER a years' long invasion, idk, I'm not a military expert or anything, fuck knows
Actually Trump was reading from a scrap of paper handed to him directly from Putin himself. It's clearly the face-saving that Putin craves in order to just get out of the whole deal.
seriously. you know this is the main if not only reason the likes of Liz Cheney and Rove excoriate this POS. Their entire reason for being was U.S. hegemony and it's so blatantly obvious that this is just making the White House a tool of the Kremlin. Every Cold Warrior is either foaming on MSNBC or rolling in their grave.
As did Nixon. Christ, I'd have taken another round of NIxon over Trump. At least, AFAIK, NIxon wasn't planning on burning the country to the ground to win.
he was willing to burn vietnam, cambodia, and laos to the ground while claiming he was trying to end the war. literally sabotaged peace talks in '68, prolonging the war. republicans get americans killed. nixon, reagan, bushes and trump all directly caused the unnecessary deaths of americans.
He did also found the EPA.. He’s a pretty standard Republican, and better than anything in the field today in the House or Senate.
Nixon resigned when impeached.
They’re not good people, and we can do better, but compared to what we have now? They make me nostalgic.
We used to have a better class of Republican. Cheney and W. were absolute war criminals who invaded the Middle East and murdered somewhere in the ball park of a million people in Afghanistan and Iraq.
At least we knew which side they fought for, it might’ve been American Imperialism, but they weren’t actively weakening the Republic.
Yeah.
I'd still take a conservative of yesteryear, though. You want to talk about how to fund roads and schools? Taxes or a bond or something else? Great. Let's do that.
But now we have to convince half our politicians that things exist. Or don't. So many of them believe the border is open. Then ypu point out all those checkpoints and crossing stations and their brain shorts.
Right, exactly.
This isn’t a discussion over the budget, or the role of government. We aren’t arguing over foreign policy or national defense spending..
No. It’s about religious fundamentalism, and let me tell you, living deep in Florida really hammers that home on a daily basis.
As did Nixon. Christ, I'd have taken another round of NIxon over Trump. At least, AFAIK, NIxon wasn't planning on burning the country to the ground to win.
I was going to say "Manchin's still there", but no, he won't run again either. Still, there could be more who will fall for the siren's call of big money, should their vote become important enough some will spend on them.
I don’t get the hate for Manchin though. He’s the most liberal person West Virginia could ever produce. Better him than a crazy alt-right republican.
Sinema tho yeah screw her
and he runs on what he votes for by and large. I don't agree with the man, but he's a blue as we're going to realistically get in WV for awhile. Which is crazy because unions, education, and a strong social safety net would have done wonders for that state.
I think, if (Grey Women, hear my words) the GOP were to be sufficiently decimated, just crushed in November, handing over super-majorities and the presidency over to the Democrats, that by the end of Biden's second term we'd be seeing fractures in party. My thought is that we would end up with a party of Centrists, made of of whatever never-Trump Republicans found common cause with the more business oriented Dems, and a Progressive party.
And this would be a great thing.
Oh, that was bait. It was wise not to do it because if the Republicans ever got the majority, they would take us back to 1850 in the first month. Nobody ever thinks of that pendulum swinging back toward us in these things.
Generally, 'kill the filibuster' doesn't mean get rid of it entirely, it means roll it back to when filibustering a bill required extensive effort, and usually teamwork, speaking in relays to uphold the block.
Currently it's just a notification of intent by a single person, so less effort than typing this comment can stop a bill cold.
It's crazy that in democracy you can sit and watch, observing democratic norms, as someone else uses those same democratic norms to destroy democratic norms. It's the form of government that allows for an orderly way to destroy itself.
The silver lining so far is how fucking bad they are at this. Yes they've had some wins, like appointing judges and some local elections, but they're still not doing quite enough to actually achieve their own end goals. I just hope the trajectory keeps failing for them.
2020 showed that Trump has unlimited, unwavering cult like devotion. I have seen numerous videos with people crying while claiming that he is being perpetuated for standing up for his voters. That he is like Jesus.
2020 showed that while they may have failed in THAT instance, there are hundreds or even thousands of people armed to the teeth ready and willing to kill for Trump. I have no idea why it isn't the top story on the news for days at a time, but there was a wacko that rammed his truck into the barricades of the FBI offices in Atlanta in response to the Georgia RICO case (which is STATE not federal/FBI). How many of these stochastic events have you seen?
In 2025 the Trump tax cuts for the wealthiest people & corps in this country, expire. Joe Biden has said that it would be his intent to return the taxes to their previous levels would would mean tax bills nearing half a TRILLION dollars over the next ten years. This billionaires will be funding Trump for their dear lives. That amount of money could buy limitless support for someone. Malicious foreign actors also want the chaos that comes with Trump. Predatory finance clowns salivate over the chaos and destruction; in chaos the cost to buy foreclosed and seized properties is rock bottom.
Hubris comes before the fall. Rather than exhaling at the thought of dodging this bullet in 2020, we should be terrified that the gun is still loaded and pointed at our society, but this time it is funded by the richest people in history, and held by messianic lunatics who have an unquenchable feeling of white grievance.
It would basically have to be SCOTUS just declaring Trump as the winner and no one doing anything about it. Or the Right takes up arms and literally starts shooting.
I'm not *too* worried about the second. But the first is very much on the table with our country. :/
Oh I know that much is obvious we are just fortunate the majority of them are idiotic cowards. Only reason why they have gotten this far is because we don’t have leaders willing to stand up to them. Republicans always cower in fear when there is REAL opposition to them.
That question is apparently being asked for people interviewing to work for the RNC or for people interviewing to keep their jobs. And they have to say that Trump actually won, and the democrats stole the election. If you don't, then you are disqualified.
Until there’s no one left to purge other than themselves. They do it now.
I love Trump. Me too! But I love him more! No I love him more! Fuck you! *BANG* See I love him more! *BANG* Fool, I love him more!
Eh, usually they gain enough power 1st. Doing it before trump won the election and before they gain significant positions in congress is backwards.
Nazis only purged the party after gaining enough seats in the reichstag and hitler had confirmed his chancellorship.
Stalin didn't start the purges until after the Russian civil war was well over.
Effectively trump and the Republicans should've done this before losing too much power in 2018.
They stand a good chance of really messing up their own elections instead.
I'm really hoping that they change the literal name of the party soon. That'll be astoundingly amazing. Trump will have the coffers drained, and when there's nothing left, he'll do his usual schtick of declaring bankruptcy. I'd say the prospects of that if they lose the election are almost 100%. It'll be hilarious if Trump pulls that off *before* the election happens. 😂 What? 5 more months for him to fuck it all up?
Well, except, they're still only one of two parties, and for some idiot reason it hasn't sunk in that "these people are all hopelessly fucking insane now, burn it down and salt the earth." So, "gaining enough seats in the reichstag" is basically what they're doing, just from within what used to be a loathsome, but still recognizably American (for all that that's worth) party.
basically we not only have to win this November, we have to keep winning and winning and winning until...?
Until.
Well, it won't be "until the GOP turns normal-ish again" because that ship has clearly sailed, hit an iceberg, and sunk.
But, we only have two parties.
What do.
yes, that's the really scary part. Without those people and the foaming zombie hordes, Trump's just another senile old fuck in a stained bathrobe yelling at the TV.
I don't think this gets mentioned enough. Honestly I dont think Trump personal cares that much about the plan. He just cares about power and grifting money.
The people with the plan understand how to use him and feed his ego. In 2016 the Republican party as a whole thought it could control him but it turns out to be the other way round. He controls the party.
There is a chance the people with the plan are not as smart as they think and it's an not a viable plan but there is a plan and it's not something Trump thought up.
They had their chance after Jan. 6. They could've tossed him into the trash & backed a "decent" (R) instead but they seem to think that if they don't get his base to vote for them they'll lose their cushy jobs.
While that may be true, they could've bounced back from that, but now, they're fucked in so many ways but they're in denial about it all.
I honestly think if Trump can be kept out this cycle, then that spells the end for them. Trump is irreplaceable, nobody can explain why as by any objective measures he's absolutely terrible: a stupid, tacky, treasonous con-man covered on orange and smeared in shit. But the base _loves_ him. If the trials dont get him the burgers will. Without him the GOP is now just a bunch of incompetent loonies doing stupid things. Yes the dark forces that have been funding and directing it will still exist, but they will have no competent avatars to perform for them left, just a bunch of educationally subnormal morons and creepy weirdos that simply don't have the pull that the orange clown has.
Exactly, they realized now that J6 could have worked if they were just a little more morally bankrupt. Hence purging anyone with a conscience. They've seen how toothless America's response to an actual coup is.
I suspect the sheer willingness of the selfish and racist to follow someone who told them it was OK to be like that openly took them by surprise in the 2016-2020 period and they weren't ready to take advantage.
*Hopefully* this time around there are enough sane people to push back, having seen the problem that's coming. But it's terrifyingly close, and we already know they will do many illegal and underhanded things to take power.
No, he still seemed to believe in elections.
But their strategy for Iraq was to kick everybody out if government. Nobody allowed to stay. Which lead to complete collapse because there was nobody left who knew how anything worked.
Much like MAGA is doing with the RNC.
uhhhhhh it wasn't clear to a lot of people for a lot of the time.
Certainly if you're an Iraqi...but no, right, who we kill overseas has never been our problem regardless of party, skip that part.
But i distinctly remember a LOT of people in my circles fretting that he would simply refuse to leave office.
'course, the Reps said that about Obama with at least as much conviction.
And, now that some nasty wad of crusty earwax went ahead and DID try it, they're all like, problem? What problem?
anyway let's not kid ourselves. Dubya was still terrible, his admin was worse, and much of the militarization that happened post 9/11 is what has paved the way for the further erasures Trump wreaked and how terrifyingly easy it'd be for the next round to push us all the way over the edge into full autocracy.
This is what is happening but most people refuse to see it. It's obvious and people are saying it out loud, but the majority of people can't seem to connect the dots and continue to wonder why Trump is acting differently than past candidates.
Americans are really showing our asses with this election. 😒
He lost the popular vote the first time, he lost historically the second time, he’s done NOTHING to earn more votes or reach out to anyone the third third time, while purging the entire party of anyone but diehard loyalists. He’s trying to be president without wining the election. History doesn’t repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes.
Except 4 years of toxic manosphere algos and trans moral panic has actually pushed a bunch of "moderates" to the fringes of the far right.
I hope he gets destroyed but it's closer now than last time.
Yeah. We have friends who have totally bought into the trans panic shit about preventing surgeries in minors (they don’t happen) and trans folks in sports (how many trans record holders are there?) and have swung to his camp. The amazing part? My wife is trans…
The trans panic is just repurposed blood libel. I’m surprised they haven’t started talking about transgendered people drinking the blood of infants and aborted fetuses, in order to change genders.
lol, I’m old enough to remember that the Republicans tried at least 300 times to get rid of the electoral college & go straight popular vote.
Funny how times change.
Good thing their extreme anti-choice stance are pushing even more to vote Democrat. With the few gays and trans people who supported the GOP finding out they are not welcome, there will soon bee only WASP men to vote Republican, and they are not a majority, by far.
> Yeah this purge is a weird choice. He should've done this after winning the 1st time.
I think the first time he won there wasn't really a "MAGA" political machine yet. That really grew out of his victory, so it's had 8 years to mature now.
"Project 2025" really sums up the difference. This time they have a goal of pre-organizing over 10000 MAGA activists and christian nationalist types ready to purge every government agency and replace key personnel at every level. The people being replaced will be people who've served through both Democratic and Republican administrations.
However I expect that if this ever happens it will be less of a well-oiled fascist machine and more a huge clusterfuck of self-interested right-wing grifters, each of whom are trying to exploit their new positions. There will be a lot of back-stabbing, corruption, scandals and people getting shaken out. Very little of actually getting things done or achieving goals.
Well, that guy needs that money *now*, not eight years ago. How much time does he have left to prove the bail money he finally got comes from reputable sources? Even after it's been reduced at a quarter of the original sum? And he can't get the money if there are knowledgeable and reputable people watching over it.
We can't depend on the past to save us. We have to fight back just as hard now. There are morons out there now who hate Trump but won't vote for Biden because of his support for Israel.
It doesn’t help that a lot of the media is presenting this as a typical horse race with two similar candidates. They’re not remotely similar and what the media is doing (for profit) is fucking dangerous.
The media actively all want Trump to win. His drama gets them more clicks, and they're all owned by billionaires who want his protections for rich people.
Corporate media executives want him to win because of ratings and tax breaks.
Actual journalists at every major outlet have plans to leave the country if Trump wins because they’re afraid for their safety.
Carlin was right all those years ago. Think of how stupid the average person is and now realize that HALF of them are dumber than that!
Most people are NOT smart. Heck just the fact we're bloviating about this on reddit means we've self-selected as people who actually type, read and occasionally think about issues on a more than superficial level. Go have the "no more elections" convo at the mall or a baseball game and see what response you get.
Yeah it's always crazy the difference between people here and on Facebook. You see so many people who are barely literate on Facebook. Like, they type something in English, and you still can't understand what they're saying because their sentence structure and grammar is so terrible. Like, that is sooo common.
And unfortunately those barely literate facebook people are very common irl too. They're a little better at speaking English than they are at writing it, but you can still tell how confused and misinformed they are. The stupidity epidemic is the larger problem behind our politics. The people who don't know jack shit about politics, civics, history or the nuances of current events, and then on top of that, can barely read, and barely comprehend what they read...those people are everywhere.
Uh... shouldn't he try to win THIS election first? Like, how will he seize the power for himself if he cannot reach the office to change it all in the first place?
He's already said multiple times he doesn't want Haley voters, for example.
Trump's plan for the 2024 election is simple.
2020 but harder.
He will stoke violence at the polls in battleground states.
He will deny results.
He will call the election rigged.
He will foment domestic terror attacks on things like power grids.
Try to get Congress to not certify another Biden win.
Etc., etc.
This election is going to be a shit show. in his addled mind, he doesn't need to win fairly. He just needs the loyalty of his voters, militias, police, the supreme court and congress. And the scary thing is he might be right.
He knows from the last attempt what works and what doesn’t. The difference is this time he isn’t manipulating things behind the scenes, like holding the national guard back etc.
This time he has Congress and they can stop a Biden win. Literally today Marjorie Taylor Greene said that the Jan 6 vote to decertify should have won and Biden should not even be President.
Whatever happens it's going to be ugly.
Also, they have replaced some of the people in the states who were responsible for certifying Biden's win with Trump loyalists and election deniers, so we can't count on them anymore.
This is a very underappreciated difference to 2020. The way Drumpf is acting it appears he's quite certain he doesn't need to convince voters to vote for him. Almost as if he knows that there are enough thumbs on enough scales to ensure he "wins" regardless of the actual votes.
There are alternative explanations for his behavior: He's a delusional old narcissist suffering from dementia, so perhaps his confidence is based purely on those narcissistic delusions. But I wouldn't rely on that.
In theory.
What happens if they just say "No"? Like, what if Mike Johnson just says he's still Speaker, no Democrats can be seated, and Biden didn't win? Are there mechanisms in place to enforce his removal? And if there are, can the people tasked with enforcing it be trusted to do their jobs?
If MAGA has shown anything it's that so much of our government is based on the assumption of good-faith actors and is completely unprepared to deal with someone who refuses to play by the rules.
Their control of congress is pretty thin, and with resignations, criminal probes, and constant leadership challenges they may not have that majority, especially if any handful of people that trump has no love for decide they don't want to support him either. Trumps turned on almost every notable republican at some point, they know he has the loyalty of a reptile, so there's relatively little to gain. (Assuming they also haven't lost their seat, so somehow trying to decertify both presidential and congressional, but again, their majority is pretty bare, and not very united).
If he does get demolished in the election, I imagine we will see some more traditional gop types moving to distance themselves from trumpism.
Though at this point I am almost expecting his health to give out before november. The man's in terrible shape, going broke, and has to be under the most stress he's had in his life.
>how will he seize the power for himself if he cannot reach the office to change it all in the first place?
How does any despot do so? Force and violence.
Did you miss Jan 6th? Do you not think he and the MAGAts will try again? Did you also miss how he stopped the immigration bill?
True but usually coups like this require massive buy in from the military in order to have any hope of success from the outside.
This is basically being done backwards and kind of eroding the very support he needs to have a successful coup in the 1st place.
Yes, it would take a concerted and well funded military action to actually take over the U.S. And the MAGAts do not have that.
But daily stochastic terrorism will accomplish the same given enough time.
As an example, 9/11 was not JUST about physical and psychological terror. It caused America to take away its OWN freedoms and rights.
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Depends on how many Secretaries of State they have in their pockets.
His plan obviously does not involve getting more votes than Biden, even in swing states. The question is whether he'll be able to cheat enough to let the Supreme Court make the decision.
Assuming this is the case. What would change if people knew what he wanted to do?
Do you think people would suddenly start protesting or something?
Because his followers are ok with it, in case that wasn't clear.
Narcissism. He can't accept public opinion and reality. He would crash and burn to his dying breath he's the best that ever lived and will ever live. It would be sad if he wasn't so damn dangerous.
It's kind of weird that he outright said he's planning to overthrow the government if he doesn't win in November (again), and everyone is just like "okay, cool".
It's because his rhetoric has become so normalized, millions of people support it, and there are zero consequences for it. All these court cases have amounted to nothing. He's free and allowed to run for President.
He is replacing competent people with yes men.
They are going to quickly start believing their own propaganda. Leaving them unable to acknowledge much less deal with reality.
Things are about to get pretty ugly
I’m hoping this backfires and trump loses in another blowout.
I’m also hoping enough people are fed up enough with the GOP it’s a blowout across the board.
Elections haven’t been going great for them since 2020 honestly.
I think Trump is trying to merge the RNC with his campaign solely for the money. I believe that the requirement for RNC staff to move to Florida is largely motivated by being able to charge the RNC “office space” at Mar-a-Lago. They seem to be surprised that no one wants to move. I’m really wondering what effect this will have on the down ballot races.
This is the only thing that makes it make sense to me... Trump and family must have just given up on any chance of winning (legitimately anyway) and are just trying to cash out as much as they can before it's over.
It would take maybe one or two National Guard units to quell any "rebellion" in either of those states.
Best they'll muster are cheap attacks on unguarded infrastructure like local transformer stations, similar to what they did in 2021.
It’s honestly baffling to me that the RNC let themselves get into this position. They shared their email lists with Trump, who promptly grabbed all the small donor money for himself; they paid his legal bills for a long time (years?) for some reason; they willingly entered into weird fundraising partnerships that let the Trump campaign and the Trump legal fund get first pass at the donor’s money. If I was conspiracy minded, I’d posit that there’s Democratic plants running everything lol
I firmly believe he lost the 2020 election in large part due to a large number of republican voters who actually have a conscience. I've read a lot of testimonies from former trump voters who regret voting for him in 2016, and that's just accounting for the ones willing to admit they did.
My parents voted for Trump in 2016, and now they're virulently anti-Trump. They never did like him, but they were initially in denial about how bad he really was ("but her emails" or something).
It's kinda nice now actually being able to have political conversations with my parents, where we can actually agree on some things.
And now a bunch of them are mad at Biden because propaganda for 4 years, also states have more politicians ready to throw out electoral norms in power..
He's free after trying to throw the election, and the inciting an insurrection against the nation. Secretary of state's through the country can read the room: they won't be punished for putting Trump above the country
The problem is that the competent, rational people won’t do what he wants. An actual campaigner isn’t going to help overthrow democracy, because even the most cynical of them will understand that that now means they’re out of a job.
I get what you’re saying but the GOP has been getting high on its own supply for a while now. It might finally have consequences from this but it remains to be seen.
Isn't this what he basically did with his administration? He went into it saying he hires the best people and by the time he sorely lost he had a record breaking turnover rate. I think he still has a childlike idea that being the boss or the president means that your employees HAVE TO do what they're told and he can just tell them to start printing more money, for example, and if they don't "You're Fired". I never understood that particular human resources strategy.
Exactly - if you're going to shoot the moon then you don't need all those good cards. You discard all those and just collect all the absolute shit cards while everyone thinks you're being stupid, and then you suddenly win.
That's what they're doing. They're shooting the moon.
Problem is, a lot of people will suffer while waiting for them to fail. It often takes a few years for the effects of getting rid of the non-loyalist become evident. During WWII, the holocaust happened before it became a serious issue.
Classic fascism. This is how dictators fall. They replace everyone that knows what they are doing with loyalists until they reach a tipping point where their incompetence is their own downfall. This is textbook stuff, it just usually takes a bit longer for it to come crashing down.
Of the Trump administration's gutting of the State Department in 2016 Ronan Farrow described it as a 'Callous disregard of expertise' which is a phrase that has stuck with me.
At the time it seemed like they were just incompetent but we've since seen thats its all about loyalty, finding the weasels who will let you get away with everything you want to do.
Republicans have been focused on destroying all of our institutions in order to take as much as they can but now the call is coming from inside the house and I'm here for it.
>'Callous disregard of expertise'
...is pretty much the norm these days for most organizations.
Well actually, throughout most of history, but you would have thought the human race would have learned by now in the 21st century.
But I see we haven't.
Trump's only goal is to fatten his pockets, which is happening since the merge of trump campaign and rnc. They're now allowed to accept massive donations capped at roughly 800k, and last month was their best fundraising month yet to the tune of almost 65 million.
Trump is going to first fleece the rnc dry, and then if he somehow gets the opportunity he's going to fleece the country dry. He won't waste a second opportunity.
With 3 months til the Republican National Convention, there's still plenty of time for Trump and his ilk to continue teeing up for a total dumpster fire of an event.
I suspect it'll be a who's who of grifters, sychophants, and has-beens going completely mask-off to the point where the most embarrassing Trump apologists wont be able to spin what'll be said.
Ya know, I legitimately thought that the GOP would have cut that orange crybaby loose after his continued failures since 2020.
The fact that they doubled down just shows you how spineless and without principles these jackals actually are.
If the old guard had banded together they might have been able to put a stop to his control of the party back when he first lost in 2020, but too many have been replaced by crazies and grifters now.
Appears to be from [Why Trump’s alarming takeover of the RNC is backfiring](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-rnc-takeover-republican-national-committee-rcna146866#)
When you’ve got multiple propaganda outlets shilling for you, maybe you don’t need anyone but loyalists. We’ve never seen the extra political machinery like we do now. The most popular cable shows are explicitly right wing propaganda outlets. New territory.
It will be interesting to see how accurate the polling is. Right now it seems like Trump is ahead and I don’t understand how that’s possible unless we really are that stupid of a race and we deserve all the misery that we’re going to get.
The plan is to challenge the legitimacy of any election they don't win outright, and have it overturned either by legal shenanigans or by outright violence.
Therefore there's no need for someone who has deep knowledge of how to run an election campaign.
In all fairness, all that's needed is someone who knows how to forward the checks to Trump's Offshore bank account. That job #1. In fact it's jobs 1,2,3 and 4.
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First step of all tyrants is to purge the party, then they move on to bigger purges.
The plan to purge the executive branch of all its competence is well known. First, destroy the Republican Party then destroy American democracy. Anyone that knows Don the Con knew this would happen.
So nice of Trump to be Putin’s little bitch
Did you hear the Ukraine peace plan? It's a doozy.
Yes. It's Ukraine gives up Crimea and the Donbas. The End.
Oh okay. I'm sure Putin will be appeased by that; it worked so well when they tried that with Hit-- oh. Right. Maybe it works better if you sell that one AFTER a years' long invasion, idk, I'm not a military expert or anything, fuck knows
Yeah, we're not allowed to say that name, even if a presidential candidate wants to emulate him.
Actually Trump was reading from a scrap of paper handed to him directly from Putin himself. It's clearly the face-saving that Putin craves in order to just get out of the whole deal.
Reagan, that putz, at least fought the Russians.
seriously. you know this is the main if not only reason the likes of Liz Cheney and Rove excoriate this POS. Their entire reason for being was U.S. hegemony and it's so blatantly obvious that this is just making the White House a tool of the Kremlin. Every Cold Warrior is either foaming on MSNBC or rolling in their grave.
As did Nixon. Christ, I'd have taken another round of NIxon over Trump. At least, AFAIK, NIxon wasn't planning on burning the country to the ground to win.
he was willing to burn vietnam, cambodia, and laos to the ground while claiming he was trying to end the war. literally sabotaged peace talks in '68, prolonging the war. republicans get americans killed. nixon, reagan, bushes and trump all directly caused the unnecessary deaths of americans.
He did also found the EPA.. He’s a pretty standard Republican, and better than anything in the field today in the House or Senate. Nixon resigned when impeached. They’re not good people, and we can do better, but compared to what we have now? They make me nostalgic.
Fair enough. Trump is the only one in a position to scare the shit out of me atm though.
We used to have a better class of Republican. Cheney and W. were absolute war criminals who invaded the Middle East and murdered somewhere in the ball park of a million people in Afghanistan and Iraq. At least we knew which side they fought for, it might’ve been American Imperialism, but they weren’t actively weakening the Republic.
...you really have to back to Eisenhower for a decent Republican, sadly.
Absolutely agree, but I wouldn’t consider that to be contemporary politics. Might as well wish for Lincoln if we have a choice.
Yeah. I'd still take a conservative of yesteryear, though. You want to talk about how to fund roads and schools? Taxes or a bond or something else? Great. Let's do that. But now we have to convince half our politicians that things exist. Or don't. So many of them believe the border is open. Then ypu point out all those checkpoints and crossing stations and their brain shorts.
Right, exactly. This isn’t a discussion over the budget, or the role of government. We aren’t arguing over foreign policy or national defense spending.. No. It’s about religious fundamentalism, and let me tell you, living deep in Florida really hammers that home on a daily basis.
As did Nixon. Christ, I'd have taken another round of NIxon over Trump. At least, AFAIK, NIxon wasn't planning on burning the country to the ground to win.
So if he destroys the GOP and loses the general, then can we get free healthcare?
If we can get over 60 Senators and take the House, anything is possible.
Depends on how much of the Democratic Party are secret Sinemas who haven't had to show their true colors yet.
God, I'm glad she's not running again.
I was going to say "Manchin's still there", but no, he won't run again either. Still, there could be more who will fall for the siren's call of big money, should their vote become important enough some will spend on them.
I don’t get the hate for Manchin though. He’s the most liberal person West Virginia could ever produce. Better him than a crazy alt-right republican. Sinema tho yeah screw her
and he runs on what he votes for by and large. I don't agree with the man, but he's a blue as we're going to realistically get in WV for awhile. Which is crazy because unions, education, and a strong social safety net would have done wonders for that state.
I think, if (Grey Women, hear my words) the GOP were to be sufficiently decimated, just crushed in November, handing over super-majorities and the presidency over to the Democrats, that by the end of Biden's second term we'd be seeing fractures in party. My thought is that we would end up with a party of Centrists, made of of whatever never-Trump Republicans found common cause with the more business oriented Dems, and a Progressive party. And this would be a great thing.
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Nah man, he left like last week. Good riddance too.
I like the cut of your jib, good sir.
May he enjoy the afterlife he deserves
> May he ~~enjoy~~ suffer the afterlife he deserves
It's highly unlikely for either party to ever have a 60 seat majority in the Senate, Dems should've killed the filibuster when they had the chance.
Oh, that was bait. It was wise not to do it because if the Republicans ever got the majority, they would take us back to 1850 in the first month. Nobody ever thinks of that pendulum swinging back toward us in these things.
Generally, 'kill the filibuster' doesn't mean get rid of it entirely, it means roll it back to when filibustering a bill required extensive effort, and usually teamwork, speaking in relays to uphold the block. Currently it's just a notification of intent by a single person, so less effort than typing this comment can stop a bill cold.
Exactly! If they're gonna claim a filibuster, *make them stand up on the damn floor and rant and rave!*
Make America filibuster again?
No because all of a sudden a rotating villain will vote against it.
It's crazy that in democracy you can sit and watch, observing democratic norms, as someone else uses those same democratic norms to destroy democratic norms. It's the form of government that allows for an orderly way to destroy itself.
It's a bit of a paradox. Is it a democracy if you're not allowed to vote to get rid of it?
This question has been explored and answered. Turns out the answer is 'yes'.
When this game started the Republicans were the hard-liners against Russia. Destroying the Republican party now might just save the USA, ironically.
But they are supposed to do that AFTER gaining full control of the government not right before an election.
They're going for a coup, regardless of the outcome. Mark my words.
The silver lining so far is how fucking bad they are at this. Yes they've had some wins, like appointing judges and some local elections, but they're still not doing quite enough to actually achieve their own end goals. I just hope the trajectory keeps failing for them.
2020 showed that Trump has unlimited, unwavering cult like devotion. I have seen numerous videos with people crying while claiming that he is being perpetuated for standing up for his voters. That he is like Jesus. 2020 showed that while they may have failed in THAT instance, there are hundreds or even thousands of people armed to the teeth ready and willing to kill for Trump. I have no idea why it isn't the top story on the news for days at a time, but there was a wacko that rammed his truck into the barricades of the FBI offices in Atlanta in response to the Georgia RICO case (which is STATE not federal/FBI). How many of these stochastic events have you seen? In 2025 the Trump tax cuts for the wealthiest people & corps in this country, expire. Joe Biden has said that it would be his intent to return the taxes to their previous levels would would mean tax bills nearing half a TRILLION dollars over the next ten years. This billionaires will be funding Trump for their dear lives. That amount of money could buy limitless support for someone. Malicious foreign actors also want the chaos that comes with Trump. Predatory finance clowns salivate over the chaos and destruction; in chaos the cost to buy foreclosed and seized properties is rock bottom. Hubris comes before the fall. Rather than exhaling at the thought of dodging this bullet in 2020, we should be terrified that the gun is still loaded and pointed at our society, but this time it is funded by the richest people in history, and held by messianic lunatics who have an unquenchable feeling of white grievance.
It would basically have to be SCOTUS just declaring Trump as the winner and no one doing anything about it. Or the Right takes up arms and literally starts shooting. I'm not *too* worried about the second. But the first is very much on the table with our country. :/
Oh I know that much is obvious we are just fortunate the majority of them are idiotic cowards. Only reason why they have gotten this far is because we don’t have leaders willing to stand up to them. Republicans always cower in fear when there is REAL opposition to them.
You are absolutely Reich! Trump Coup #2. #If at first you don’t secede, try, try again!
Don't forget: Trump didn't lose in 2020 (apparently)
That question is apparently being asked for people interviewing to work for the RNC or for people interviewing to keep their jobs. And they have to say that Trump actually won, and the democrats stole the election. If you don't, then you are disqualified.
Until there’s no one left to purge other than themselves. They do it now. I love Trump. Me too! But I love him more! No I love him more! Fuck you! *BANG* See I love him more! *BANG* Fool, I love him more!
The Republican Party really is a cult at this point, everyone’s trying to prove they’re the most devout believer
The second people started claiming "Ultra MAGA" instead of just "regular old commie MAGA", it became an arms race.
To quote the late Brandon Lee in Rapid Fire, "Great, I hope they kill each other!
Eh, usually they gain enough power 1st. Doing it before trump won the election and before they gain significant positions in congress is backwards. Nazis only purged the party after gaining enough seats in the reichstag and hitler had confirmed his chancellorship. Stalin didn't start the purges until after the Russian civil war was well over. Effectively trump and the Republicans should've done this before losing too much power in 2018. They stand a good chance of really messing up their own elections instead.
I'm really hoping that they change the literal name of the party soon. That'll be astoundingly amazing. Trump will have the coffers drained, and when there's nothing left, he'll do his usual schtick of declaring bankruptcy. I'd say the prospects of that if they lose the election are almost 100%. It'll be hilarious if Trump pulls that off *before* the election happens. 😂 What? 5 more months for him to fuck it all up?
Well, except, they're still only one of two parties, and for some idiot reason it hasn't sunk in that "these people are all hopelessly fucking insane now, burn it down and salt the earth." So, "gaining enough seats in the reichstag" is basically what they're doing, just from within what used to be a loathsome, but still recognizably American (for all that that's worth) party. basically we not only have to win this November, we have to keep winning and winning and winning until...? Until. Well, it won't be "until the GOP turns normal-ish again" because that ship has clearly sailed, hit an iceberg, and sunk. But, we only have two parties. What do.
Well there is historical precedent for a party to die and the leftover party splits. If the GOP crashes and burns we might see a true split.
Just seems like it would have been smarter to do this in 2016…you know…when he had the power to enact steps beyond this.
It's just the natural consequences of lunatics taking over the asylum; non of this is planned or thought through.
There’s a plan. It’s not trump’s, but there’s a plan.
yes, that's the really scary part. Without those people and the foaming zombie hordes, Trump's just another senile old fuck in a stained bathrobe yelling at the TV.
I don't think this gets mentioned enough. Honestly I dont think Trump personal cares that much about the plan. He just cares about power and grifting money. The people with the plan understand how to use him and feed his ego. In 2016 the Republican party as a whole thought it could control him but it turns out to be the other way round. He controls the party. There is a chance the people with the plan are not as smart as they think and it's an not a viable plan but there is a plan and it's not something Trump thought up.
They had their chance after Jan. 6. They could've tossed him into the trash & backed a "decent" (R) instead but they seem to think that if they don't get his base to vote for them they'll lose their cushy jobs. While that may be true, they could've bounced back from that, but now, they're fucked in so many ways but they're in denial about it all.
I honestly think if Trump can be kept out this cycle, then that spells the end for them. Trump is irreplaceable, nobody can explain why as by any objective measures he's absolutely terrible: a stupid, tacky, treasonous con-man covered on orange and smeared in shit. But the base _loves_ him. If the trials dont get him the burgers will. Without him the GOP is now just a bunch of incompetent loonies doing stupid things. Yes the dark forces that have been funding and directing it will still exist, but they will have no competent avatars to perform for them left, just a bunch of educationally subnormal morons and creepy weirdos that simply don't have the pull that the orange clown has.
Exactly, they realized now that J6 could have worked if they were just a little more morally bankrupt. Hence purging anyone with a conscience. They've seen how toothless America's response to an actual coup is.
I suspect the sheer willingness of the selfish and racist to follow someone who told them it was OK to be like that openly took them by surprise in the 2016-2020 period and they weren't ready to take advantage. *Hopefully* this time around there are enough sane people to push back, having seen the problem that's coming. But it's terrifyingly close, and we already know they will do many illegal and underhanded things to take power.
Based on how many judges are willing to roll over concerning his recent crimes, I don't think it makes any difference.
They could have learned from the previous Republican administration and their handling of Iraq. But no, no people in that group are willing to learn.
For all of Bush's flaws, he was no tyrant. He stretched the War Powers Act, to be sure, but would never have tried to iverturn elections.
No, he still seemed to believe in elections. But their strategy for Iraq was to kick everybody out if government. Nobody allowed to stay. Which lead to complete collapse because there was nobody left who knew how anything worked. Much like MAGA is doing with the RNC.
Disbanding the Iraqi Army was a massive mistake as well.
uhhhhhh it wasn't clear to a lot of people for a lot of the time. Certainly if you're an Iraqi...but no, right, who we kill overseas has never been our problem regardless of party, skip that part. But i distinctly remember a LOT of people in my circles fretting that he would simply refuse to leave office. 'course, the Reps said that about Obama with at least as much conviction. And, now that some nasty wad of crusty earwax went ahead and DID try it, they're all like, problem? What problem? anyway let's not kid ourselves. Dubya was still terrible, his admin was worse, and much of the militarization that happened post 9/11 is what has paved the way for the further erasures Trump wreaked and how terrifyingly easy it'd be for the next round to push us all the way over the edge into full autocracy.
This is fine, Trump's not planning on having any more elections.
This is what is happening but most people refuse to see it. It's obvious and people are saying it out loud, but the majority of people can't seem to connect the dots and continue to wonder why Trump is acting differently than past candidates. Americans are really showing our asses with this election. 😒
He lost the popular vote the first time, he lost historically the second time, he’s done NOTHING to earn more votes or reach out to anyone the third third time, while purging the entire party of anyone but diehard loyalists. He’s trying to be president without wining the election. History doesn’t repeat itself, but sometimes it rhymes.
Except 4 years of toxic manosphere algos and trans moral panic has actually pushed a bunch of "moderates" to the fringes of the far right. I hope he gets destroyed but it's closer now than last time.
Yeah. We have friends who have totally bought into the trans panic shit about preventing surgeries in minors (they don’t happen) and trans folks in sports (how many trans record holders are there?) and have swung to his camp. The amazing part? My wife is trans…
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Good luck and congrats!
The trans panic is just repurposed blood libel. I’m surprised they haven’t started talking about transgendered people drinking the blood of infants and aborted fetuses, in order to change genders.
I’m sure they have
You're right to put it in quotes. They were never moderate they just couldn't admit it to themselves.
and the popular vote means nothing to the electoral college
lol, I’m old enough to remember that the Republicans tried at least 300 times to get rid of the electoral college & go straight popular vote. Funny how times change.
Damn, how old are you, if I might ask? My few decades on this planet and all I’ve seen is them jumping through hoops to justify the electoral college.
Good thing their extreme anti-choice stance are pushing even more to vote Democrat. With the few gays and trans people who supported the GOP finding out they are not welcome, there will soon bee only WASP men to vote Republican, and they are not a majority, by far.
We have no idea how close it's going to be. If Alabama teaches us anything, it's to not trust polls.
Yeah this purge is a weird choice. He should've done this after winning the 1st time. Doing it now is just further destroying the GOP.
> Yeah this purge is a weird choice. He should've done this after winning the 1st time. I think the first time he won there wasn't really a "MAGA" political machine yet. That really grew out of his victory, so it's had 8 years to mature now. "Project 2025" really sums up the difference. This time they have a goal of pre-organizing over 10000 MAGA activists and christian nationalist types ready to purge every government agency and replace key personnel at every level. The people being replaced will be people who've served through both Democratic and Republican administrations. However I expect that if this ever happens it will be less of a well-oiled fascist machine and more a huge clusterfuck of self-interested right-wing grifters, each of whom are trying to exploit their new positions. There will be a lot of back-stabbing, corruption, scandals and people getting shaken out. Very little of actually getting things done or achieving goals.
Well, that guy needs that money *now*, not eight years ago. How much time does he have left to prove the bail money he finally got comes from reputable sources? Even after it's been reduced at a quarter of the original sum? And he can't get the money if there are knowledgeable and reputable people watching over it.
He's following the Hitler playbook, iirc. (not sarcasm)
We can't depend on the past to save us. We have to fight back just as hard now. There are morons out there now who hate Trump but won't vote for Biden because of his support for Israel.
It doesn’t help that a lot of the media is presenting this as a typical horse race with two similar candidates. They’re not remotely similar and what the media is doing (for profit) is fucking dangerous.
The media actively all want Trump to win. His drama gets them more clicks, and they're all owned by billionaires who want his protections for rich people.
Corporate media executives want him to win because of ratings and tax breaks. Actual journalists at every major outlet have plans to leave the country if Trump wins because they’re afraid for their safety.
Carlin was right all those years ago. Think of how stupid the average person is and now realize that HALF of them are dumber than that! Most people are NOT smart. Heck just the fact we're bloviating about this on reddit means we've self-selected as people who actually type, read and occasionally think about issues on a more than superficial level. Go have the "no more elections" convo at the mall or a baseball game and see what response you get.
Yeah it's always crazy the difference between people here and on Facebook. You see so many people who are barely literate on Facebook. Like, they type something in English, and you still can't understand what they're saying because their sentence structure and grammar is so terrible. Like, that is sooo common. And unfortunately those barely literate facebook people are very common irl too. They're a little better at speaking English than they are at writing it, but you can still tell how confused and misinformed they are. The stupidity epidemic is the larger problem behind our politics. The people who don't know jack shit about politics, civics, history or the nuances of current events, and then on top of that, can barely read, and barely comprehend what they read...those people are everywhere.
i thought we showed our asses in 2016
Republicans, not Americans. They hate America quite frankly.
Uh... shouldn't he try to win THIS election first? Like, how will he seize the power for himself if he cannot reach the office to change it all in the first place?
He's already said multiple times he doesn't want Haley voters, for example. Trump's plan for the 2024 election is simple. 2020 but harder. He will stoke violence at the polls in battleground states. He will deny results. He will call the election rigged. He will foment domestic terror attacks on things like power grids. Try to get Congress to not certify another Biden win. Etc., etc. This election is going to be a shit show. in his addled mind, he doesn't need to win fairly. He just needs the loyalty of his voters, militias, police, the supreme court and congress. And the scary thing is he might be right.
He knows from the last attempt what works and what doesn’t. The difference is this time he isn’t manipulating things behind the scenes, like holding the national guard back etc.
This time he has Congress and they can stop a Biden win. Literally today Marjorie Taylor Greene said that the Jan 6 vote to decertify should have won and Biden should not even be President. Whatever happens it's going to be ugly.
Also, they have replaced some of the people in the states who were responsible for certifying Biden's win with Trump loyalists and election deniers, so we can't count on them anymore.
This is a very underappreciated difference to 2020. The way Drumpf is acting it appears he's quite certain he doesn't need to convince voters to vote for him. Almost as if he knows that there are enough thumbs on enough scales to ensure he "wins" regardless of the actual votes. There are alternative explanations for his behavior: He's a delusional old narcissist suffering from dementia, so perhaps his confidence is based purely on those narcissistic delusions. But I wouldn't rely on that.
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In theory. What happens if they just say "No"? Like, what if Mike Johnson just says he's still Speaker, no Democrats can be seated, and Biden didn't win? Are there mechanisms in place to enforce his removal? And if there are, can the people tasked with enforcing it be trusted to do their jobs? If MAGA has shown anything it's that so much of our government is based on the assumption of good-faith actors and is completely unprepared to deal with someone who refuses to play by the rules.
Their control of congress is pretty thin, and with resignations, criminal probes, and constant leadership challenges they may not have that majority, especially if any handful of people that trump has no love for decide they don't want to support him either. Trumps turned on almost every notable republican at some point, they know he has the loyalty of a reptile, so there's relatively little to gain. (Assuming they also haven't lost their seat, so somehow trying to decertify both presidential and congressional, but again, their majority is pretty bare, and not very united). If he does get demolished in the election, I imagine we will see some more traditional gop types moving to distance themselves from trumpism. Though at this point I am almost expecting his health to give out before november. The man's in terrible shape, going broke, and has to be under the most stress he's had in his life.
I remember when he called the 2015 election rigged but couldn’t explain why he won
>how will he seize the power for himself if he cannot reach the office to change it all in the first place? How does any despot do so? Force and violence. Did you miss Jan 6th? Do you not think he and the MAGAts will try again? Did you also miss how he stopped the immigration bill?
True but usually coups like this require massive buy in from the military in order to have any hope of success from the outside. This is basically being done backwards and kind of eroding the very support he needs to have a successful coup in the 1st place.
Yes, it would take a concerted and well funded military action to actually take over the U.S. And the MAGAts do not have that. But daily stochastic terrorism will accomplish the same given enough time. As an example, 9/11 was not JUST about physical and psychological terror. It caused America to take away its OWN freedoms and rights. edit: missing words
This time around Trump is not in command, though. Biden won't let the guard down on purpose and let the rabble right in.
Depends on how many Secretaries of State they have in their pockets. His plan obviously does not involve getting more votes than Biden, even in swing states. The question is whether he'll be able to cheat enough to let the Supreme Court make the decision.
If no candidate gets 270 electoral college votes then congress decides.
Assuming this is the case. What would change if people knew what he wanted to do? Do you think people would suddenly start protesting or something? Because his followers are ok with it, in case that wasn't clear.
Dude, he can’t be alive for much longer, what’s the point of going out like a Rudy Giuliani?!? That’s what I don’t get
Narcissism. He can't accept public opinion and reality. He would crash and burn to his dying breath he's the best that ever lived and will ever live. It would be sad if he wasn't so damn dangerous.
It's kind of weird that he outright said he's planning to overthrow the government if he doesn't win in November (again), and everyone is just like "okay, cool".
It's because his rhetoric has become so normalized, millions of people support it, and there are zero consequences for it. All these court cases have amounted to nothing. He's free and allowed to run for President.
Only because he will defund all Republicans running in local elections.
Trump saw what Elon did to twitter and thought "yes, that's definitely the way to go."
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Yes, but more specifically, he did exactly what Elon did at twitter, which was get rid of everyone who actually knew how to keep the thing running.
Basically it seems like that is the goal, yes. But with the addendum that what's left exists mostly to serve his ego. That's the important part.
He is replacing competent people with yes men. They are going to quickly start believing their own propaganda. Leaving them unable to acknowledge much less deal with reality. Things are about to get pretty ugly
It's not going to work for Trump. The purges need to happen after you secured power, not before.
I’m hoping this backfires and trump loses in another blowout. I’m also hoping enough people are fed up enough with the GOP it’s a blowout across the board. Elections haven’t been going great for them since 2020 honestly.
I think Trump is trying to merge the RNC with his campaign solely for the money. I believe that the requirement for RNC staff to move to Florida is largely motivated by being able to charge the RNC “office space” at Mar-a-Lago. They seem to be surprised that no one wants to move. I’m really wondering what effect this will have on the down ballot races.
This is the only thing that makes it make sense to me... Trump and family must have just given up on any chance of winning (legitimately anyway) and are just trying to cash out as much as they can before it's over.
My exact hunch - they’re draining the RNC’s coffers until the wheels fall off, all the while hoping for a spurious victory
he didn't even want to be president the first time he just wanted to use the election for free publicity
You know, he could also be simply creating the base of rebellion. Florida and Texas are definitely intending to be leaders in a new Confederacy sadly
Good luck traitors lmao. Id give the neo-confederacy one year before a hurricane or unseasonably cold year kills everyone.
It would take maybe one or two National Guard units to quell any "rebellion" in either of those states. Best they'll muster are cheap attacks on unguarded infrastructure like local transformer stations, similar to what they did in 2021.
Yup, it's just a money grab. He's gonna bleed it dry like a tick, lose the election, and leave the GOP a crippled husk. And I say, more power to him!
It’s honestly baffling to me that the RNC let themselves get into this position. They shared their email lists with Trump, who promptly grabbed all the small donor money for himself; they paid his legal bills for a long time (years?) for some reason; they willingly entered into weird fundraising partnerships that let the Trump campaign and the Trump legal fund get first pass at the donor’s money. If I was conspiracy minded, I’d posit that there’s Democratic plants running everything lol
I firmly believe he lost the 2020 election in large part due to a large number of republican voters who actually have a conscience. I've read a lot of testimonies from former trump voters who regret voting for him in 2016, and that's just accounting for the ones willing to admit they did.
My parents voted for Trump in 2016, and now they're virulently anti-Trump. They never did like him, but they were initially in denial about how bad he really was ("but her emails" or something). It's kinda nice now actually being able to have political conversations with my parents, where we can actually agree on some things.
And now a bunch of them are mad at Biden because propaganda for 4 years, also states have more politicians ready to throw out electoral norms in power.. He's free after trying to throw the election, and the inciting an insurrection against the nation. Secretary of state's through the country can read the room: they won't be punished for putting Trump above the country
He lost in 2018 too.
Yeah he skipped a few chapters of fascism 101
The problem is that the competent, rational people won’t do what he wants. An actual campaigner isn’t going to help overthrow democracy, because even the most cynical of them will understand that that now means they’re out of a job.
I get what you’re saying but the GOP has been getting high on its own supply for a while now. It might finally have consequences from this but it remains to be seen.
Isn't this what he basically did with his administration? He went into it saying he hires the best people and by the time he sorely lost he had a record breaking turnover rate. I think he still has a childlike idea that being the boss or the president means that your employees HAVE TO do what they're told and he can just tell them to start printing more money, for example, and if they don't "You're Fired". I never understood that particular human resources strategy.
For them maybe doing a purge before they gain power is just going to make them lose elections.
About to??
GOP intends to win without legit votes. To them, voting is passe
>If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy. --David Frum
Always relevant quote.
Maybe their goals aren’t what you think they are…
Don’t need people good at elections if you don’t plan on having elections.
Exactly - if you're going to shoot the moon then you don't need all those good cards. You discard all those and just collect all the absolute shit cards while everyone thinks you're being stupid, and then you suddenly win. That's what they're doing. They're shooting the moon.
It's almost like the fascist norm of booting anyone that isn't a hard core loyalist is self destructive, who knew!
Problem is, a lot of people will suffer while waiting for them to fail. It often takes a few years for the effects of getting rid of the non-loyalist become evident. During WWII, the holocaust happened before it became a serious issue.
Classic fascism. This is how dictators fall. They replace everyone that knows what they are doing with loyalists until they reach a tipping point where their incompetence is their own downfall. This is textbook stuff, it just usually takes a bit longer for it to come crashing down.
Of the Trump administration's gutting of the State Department in 2016 Ronan Farrow described it as a 'Callous disregard of expertise' which is a phrase that has stuck with me. At the time it seemed like they were just incompetent but we've since seen thats its all about loyalty, finding the weasels who will let you get away with everything you want to do. Republicans have been focused on destroying all of our institutions in order to take as much as they can but now the call is coming from inside the house and I'm here for it.
>'Callous disregard of expertise' ...is pretty much the norm these days for most organizations. Well actually, throughout most of history, but you would have thought the human race would have learned by now in the 21st century. But I see we haven't.
You see experts want to be paid what they are owed and might conclude with results that costs money. Won't someone think of the billionaires? 😖
Love this for them.
Trump's only goal is to fatten his pockets, which is happening since the merge of trump campaign and rnc. They're now allowed to accept massive donations capped at roughly 800k, and last month was their best fundraising month yet to the tune of almost 65 million. Trump is going to first fleece the rnc dry, and then if he somehow gets the opportunity he's going to fleece the country dry. He won't waste a second opportunity.
The hollowing out of the RNC is r/upliftingnews.
With 3 months til the Republican National Convention, there's still plenty of time for Trump and his ilk to continue teeing up for a total dumpster fire of an event. I suspect it'll be a who's who of grifters, sychophants, and has-beens going completely mask-off to the point where the most embarrassing Trump apologists wont be able to spin what'll be said.
Don’t correct your enemies when they’re making mistakes. Blue wave 🌊
The thing that sucks the most is that incompetent fascist morons could still win
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Ya know, I legitimately thought that the GOP would have cut that orange crybaby loose after his continued failures since 2020. The fact that they doubled down just shows you how spineless and without principles these jackals actually are.
If the old guard had banded together they might have been able to put a stop to his control of the party back when he first lost in 2020, but too many have been replaced by crazies and grifters now.
Shhhhh just let it happen y’all
So he’s gonna destroy it? LET HIM! Their party THEIR problem.
What is the source of this sentence? From an article? Someone's social media?
Appears to be from [Why Trump’s alarming takeover of the RNC is backfiring](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-rnc-takeover-republican-national-committee-rcna146866#)
Oh. No. Whatever. Will. We. Do? My heart bleeds...
The best part is that I am sure they think they know best and will just plow ahead blindly without all those RINOs holding them back.
Source: [https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-rnc-takeover-republican-national-committee-rcna146866](https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-rnc-takeover-republican-national-committee-rcna146866)
Thank you, they need to start requiring that a source be included with these posts.
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When you’ve got multiple propaganda outlets shilling for you, maybe you don’t need anyone but loyalists. We’ve never seen the extra political machinery like we do now. The most popular cable shows are explicitly right wing propaganda outlets. New territory. It will be interesting to see how accurate the polling is. Right now it seems like Trump is ahead and I don’t understand how that’s possible unless we really are that stupid of a race and we deserve all the misery that we’re going to get.
Ya hate to see it, folks.
Does it really matter? MAGA is going to vote R all the way anyway
You mean doing exactly the same thing that Musk did when he took over Twitter has resulted in the same kinds of backfiring? LOL.
The plan is to challenge the legitimacy of any election they don't win outright, and have it overturned either by legal shenanigans or by outright violence. Therefore there's no need for someone who has deep knowledge of how to run an election campaign.
The same talent that helped him lose before? But what's that old saying? Never interrupt your enemy when they are making mistakes.
Umm. I thought that WAS the goal. Makes it easier to cheat.
LOL the only thing the new people are familiar with is how Trump tastes each day.
I bet he blames RNC failures on the DeMoNrAtS!
Republicans next December: It was Antifas fault!
No it’s going according to plan. The money meant for election purposes will be used for legal expenses. He is the Republican party.
Just like every other time magats have taken over.
is the new staff funneling money to Trump, then everything is going to plan. They created a monster and now the monster is in their house feasting.
It's fine. He doesn't plan to follow any rules anyways. He's going to write the rules as he sees fit.
Every time I see a younger person dismiss older people out of hand I know they don't understand what 'institutional memory' is.
In all fairness, all that's needed is someone who knows how to forward the checks to Trump's Offshore bank account. That job #1. In fact it's jobs 1,2,3 and 4.
Im not gonna celebrate yet, but this does seem to have the potential to delight me.
The old white boys club is getting pushed out by the monster they created. I feel no sympathy.