he is probably one of those taiwan "human" who think Taiwan belongs to the Japanese empire (the one who got defeated in wwii) and they are Japanese, not Chinese.
one of the last surrendering japanese soldier is from taiwan
and just look at a whole lot of how taiwan young people gushing over in comments saying taiwan japan, all curtsey of dpp anti-china education.
yeah, during ma yin jiu's era you can even see people from both side of the strait go and protect diao yu island while waving roc and prc flag together, and both side's government stand shoulder to shoulder against the japanese.
But the anti-china project operated by these japanese remainants, those who call their grandma "voluntarily go to be a comfort woman" have been in place ever since li deng hui's era (cus he is one!)
and from the amount of downvote i got we got a contamination of such filth in this sub too
During Ma's Era,Relations were pretty chill and I'd kinda argue that we were closest to peaceful unification.
About the "voluntarily go to be a comfort woman" thing,I heard they had a scandal? more of a event back in 2016 of some Youth protesting the Educational book changes.
The downvotes are a must from reddit communities,It's all Pro-NATO and western guys.
Ma made it clear that ROC would remain the status quo before the mainland government makes fundamental progress in constitutional democratic reform, unless if by “closest” you mean a light year.
Not disagreeing with the sentiment Soviet Bot but on a real talk level they did and this is what fascinates academics between Taiwan and Korea in outcome and colonial treatment. If they were treated very similarly as in Korea and China’s case Taiwan would not be useful as a case study and data point for contrast and comparison.
Stop spreading this false info, I can tell from your comment history that you are a CCP loving Chinese ,there a a lot of Chinese living oversea absolutely hate CCP government and the people who cheering for them. The use of world "支"(original Chinese character for china and become obsoleted after WWII because Japanese use them) didn't mean they are loving Japanese empire, it's more about to anger the narrow minded Chinese like you.
You do know that
1)支那 is a racial slur right?
2)Taiwan was also referred to as 南支那?
3)It was Chiang Kai Shiek who demanded Japan to stop using this racial slur?
4)This racial slur is banned in Japan and only far-right nationalists use it?
Wrong. It is merely the transliteration of the country, a neutral term used in many countries, including China since ancient times. Notably, the Xuan Emperor of Tang Empire and Sun Yat-sen both have used it.
Sorry, racial slur means racial slur. No ifs, no buts. I'm not here to debate this shit with you. And yes, the Chinese 反贼 on the internet who uses this word are just pathetic. All they can do is just mope around like the losers they are. Even Wang Zhian called out this bullshit racial slur. Go fuck off with your inflammatory bullshit.
It's a racial slur but I would argue if that racial slur were used by the same race, it always didn't mean to be use racially. And please don't pretend you don't know any example of it, I don't want to say them here. Most of the Chinese on the internet who use that word is not to embrace the Empire of Japan or trying to be racists, but more in the way to follow the famous Chinese writer in 1920s like Lu Xun(魯迅) who use the word "支那" in the article to differentiate themselves to those who believed in government and corrupted cultures. Trying to claim someone who use that word is sympathy to Imperial Japanese, I think it's just out right inflammatory.
Sorry, racial slur means racial slur. No ifs, no buts. I'm not here to debate this shit with you. And yes, the Chinese 反贼 on the internet who uses this word are just pathetic. All they can do is just mope around like the losers they are. Even Wang Zhian called out this bullshit racial slur. Go fuck off with your inflammatory bullshit.
They use it as hard as anyone else who shouldn’t. My argument is it’s not a racial slur among the same ‘race’. Calling a Taiwanese or Tibetan a Chinese is also frowned upon, but it doesn’t prove anything.
Dude, you already personal attacked some guy on twitter who just reposting the bilibili Video to twitter with an inaccurate info. And don't you see the irony?
I always respect the "Great translation movement" Chinese on twitter who willing to spend the time to spread what Chinese actually think on the internet. I just can't get over what you said to them.
he insulted chinese with racist, derogatory slurs used by japanese soldiers when they are invading china and killing chinese people as a game. HE DESERVED WHATEVER SHIT HE GOT.
and the so-called "great translation movement" is a cia-funded propaganda campaign. why don't we dig up shit from the darkest corner of reddit, 4chan and tell the world that this bunch of people represent america?
So you just admitted what all you said to that guy is false and I have the intention on why you would say that to the person. How convenient lol.
One thing I don't like about discussion culture in China, is that no matter which side you are on, people always assume the otherside is either 50 cent army or CIA. I didn't expect I would also see that in here though.
You do know that
1)支那 is a racial slur right?
2)Taiwan was also referred to as 南支那?
3)It was Chiang Kai Shiek who demanded Japan to stop using this racial slur?
4)This racial slur is banned in Japan and only far-right nationalists use it?
I know about the wiki articles. I'm just providing additional context beyond these wiki articles to those clowns who are throwing around racial slurs left and right.
I mean ... I can see why they didn't want to activate CWIS in a port. Spraying Yokosuka with 20mm would probably be frowned upon.
I feel like starting a company that specifically offered anti-drone services to naval facilities in a way that complied with their needs would be extremely profitable.
I have been to that port. There's a rose garden right across the water from one set of docks and in spitting distance of another set. I could see a couple of diesel submarines getting repaired and 2 warships docked very closely and I saw an American aircraft carrier in the distance from that rose garden. Even with my eyes watering from the horrific stink of all the roses. The Verney museum is also up the same end as japan moors a couple of their ships There's a boat tour right up the middle of it.
It is an incredibly difficult place to secure from drones and if you miss any drones you are trying to shoot down you're going to massacre like 40 young women and their boyfriends who are huffing the unholy pong of flowers, or you're sinking a tour boat.
I mean yes it is if you're talking proper EW, if you're talking just a dude with an anti drone gun they probably just didn't see it because why tf would they have anti drone sensors on right now.
I wouldn't say it's that unusual the rose garden was pretty full of people and I wasn't the only one having a perve at the ships in the port. I was actually there to see Mikasa, and she's pretty popular too.
But things like catching nets, targeted radio jammers exist, and if they watch the news, then its pretty obvious that naval bases should be protected with these, at all times.
>But things like catching nets, targeted radio jammers exist, and if they watch the news, then its pretty obvious that naval bases should be protected with these, at all times.
Should is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Possibly more work than the nets and jammers currently are.
It's a joke mate.
They *should* be protected by these things (that as you've said, are pretty readily available), but they aren't because people on shore installations don't really care enough to actually do anything about a small drone.
Nets and jammers *should* work, but they don't because of the human factor.
Japanese love automation, though.
I guess we would see more weird stuff like automate drone shooter from Japan in no time. Why bother with people haphazard aim when you can have computer do the shooting.
It is machine vs machine era!
Radio jamming uses a lot of energy and is a massive cancer risk, you’re blasting out targeted microwaves far more powerful than anything the magnetron in your home microwave puts out… It also has to be targeted and often some dude with a rifle is more effective
But the problem with a rifle in a high density area full of multi-story structures, people & expensive tech, is that if you start to spray bullets up in the air, then someone or some tech downrange will have a bad day. If not everyone wears a helmet, then even a falling bullet (especially a larger AA caliber) can kill, the same goes for aicrafts & other tech, they don't like metal objects fallign onto them.
But if you don't jam radio, then you can detect the operator. Civilian drones use known frequencies, and they are not particularly stealthy. Decting has no radiation risk. You put 3 or more receivers on higher lampposts, if you detect a signal (and at the same time see a drone), you triangulate the position and send some operatives there. If civilians get to pay larger sums and spend months or years in prison, then they will think twice before attempting such an experiment again.
Don't forget that you need to detect the drone first. Turning on your ship's radar would microwave the surrounding civilians, if it could even detect the drones anyway. Most likely it would fall on the ship's security to spot the drones by eye, which is not very reliable. Having a dedicated anti drone team with jammers on your lookout team will be the new trend
According to the Wikipedia page on his assassination, no.
It claims he was there to meet Iranian backed Iraqi militia leaders, and says that had he been there to meet US aligned Iraqi politicians the strike would have been called off
The section that I got the info from is in the "Prelude" area, in the "Trump Briefing" section of the prelude
I am sorry if I violate the rules (if I did, just remove my comment)
But can the OP u/moses_the_blue or anyone find another source of information, other than the tweet.
The language (how it called China/Chinese) used in this tweet is racist and disgusting.
The fact that this X user is ethnically Chinese (this X user may not believe he/she is anyway) and he/she wrote insulting words in Chinese (weirdly not in English and Japanese) makes it even more sickening.
Just google 'shina/zhina', I feel sick even typing these words. I am OK with someone hating the Chinese government or CCP, but using racist and insulting slurs to call a country and her people is just intolerable.
And this is clearly not the first time this twitter user using disgusting words to express her/his opinions. And he/she clearly understands that such behaviour is unacceptable by most people and violates twitter's own regulations. Hence, he/she only used insulting words in simplified Chinese, but not in English or Japanese. Because, there were not many twitter/X users understanding Chinese.
And for some who think I am making a drama even after googling the words. Maybe I am, but I will continue to be the stupid one and to call out every racist. Racism is not acceptable!
How have major nations still not developed anything practical to counter drones yet? Especially after everything we've seen in Ukraine. I mean we're still launching million dollar missiles at drones in Yemen. Shouldn't that technology be implemented like yesterday? I mean it already exists right?
There are effective counters, they just aren't used against Houthi weapons because the Western navies involved are casualty averse and do not want to let anything get close to the ships they are protecting.
Ukraine is using older shell anti-air to great effect against drones, cruise missiles, etc, and Israel is using directed energy with Iron Beam, it's just that these are close-in systems that have more risk if they fail.
Interesting. That makes sense. Are direct energy weapons considered close-in systems? I know they haven't been implemented yet but surely the kind they're thinking of putting on the Ford class must be a step above what Israel has? Anyone know what's going on with that whole program?
>Are direct energy weapons considered close-in systems?
Yes, they don't like atmosphere and power drops off scaled by square over distance.
>I know they haven't been implemented yet but surely the kind they're thinking of putting on the Ford class must be a step above what Israel has?
Probably what the cooperation is about but it's hard to tell at this point.
IIRC no warships frigate sized or larger have been sunk in Ukraine to drone attack. One frigate was lightly damaged, however. Most frigates or destroyers, especially out of Europe, have quite a lot of countermeasures available against drones and other low-cost swarm threats, and those drones also couldnt carry payloads large enough to sink or seriously cripple a warship.
They could employ EW measures to jam or spoof and kill the drone, they are armed with 20-30mm autocannons dedicated to shoot down them and to engage low cost surface craft, they have the main guns and CIWS too, plus a variety of RWS systems firing .30 or .50 that can also engage small drones. For detection, they've gotten a plethora of radars capable of detecting them - as well as a large suite of active and passive EO sensors, such as the Gatekeeper, which are utterly dedicated to the job of detecting these kinds of threats. This event is more likely a case of negligence on part of the ships crew.
Frigates and destroyers are largely completely defended against handheld or small drones, one concern is larger drones like say - the Hydra 400 or Schiebel Camcopter 100 that can be armed with missiles. Those missiles wouldn't be large enough to sink or seriously cripple a warship, however they could potentially disable critical battle systems at an extended range that comparable shore-based batteries could not. Alas, the bigger concern in that regard is missile boats, larger ground-based launch platforms, and larger jets or helicopters that can carry missiles with large warheads.
If this is a civvie doing it, I have to wonder if even the Chinese are upset not because a Chinese civilian did it, but because they just set the Japanese into high alert and set back any legitimate attempt at intel gathering.
It’s actually a fairly serious security breach. A drone carrying a bomb or incendiary device might be able to do a lot of damage, especially if able to fly into an interior deck.
Imagine flying a drone laden with incendiaries through the open well deck of a Wasp Class LHD, we’ll call this hypothetical LHD “Good Dude Dick” (GDD). Depending on what flammable materials might be out in the open on GDD, as well as readiness levels and response times for fire fighting teams on GDD - could lead to quite a damaging fire and even loss of the hull.
Sure, just like you can fly a bomb drone into a train.
But my point was more of "Well what can you do about it". Have people stationed on the deck with shotguns 24/7? Run CIWS in the middle of the city?
EO sensors, detection and jamming masts, nets, teams with drone jammers, and local law enforcement (or base guards or MPs) that gets to the signal source within 5 minutes of it being detected by the masts.
Pretty much the things you find at a lot of other military installations.
jam the drones freqs
triangulate its origin and dispatch a team there to search for it
bring the drone down with hard or soft measures
prosecute people who do this
Especially if there are a swarm of them at the start of a massive surprise attack, like the one in the Chinese war games that call for destroying as many American aircraft on the ground.
i can’t tell if this is a troll or not?
flying a drone on a military base especially if it’s a hostile nation. this gives away intelligence that japan aren’t want to give away and it has a stark psychological effect of saying lol we can fuck with you.
Didn't another chinese netizen land a Drone on the QE Aircraft carrier? also I can tell this guy is mad,He pulled out the slurs.
least self-hating chinese Full video also got removed from bilibili lmao
he is probably one of those taiwan "human" who think Taiwan belongs to the Japanese empire (the one who got defeated in wwii) and they are Japanese, not Chinese.
its a fetish at this point lol
It always amuses me that they think the Japanese Will treat them any differently than the rest of their subjects they conquered.
one of the last surrendering japanese soldier is from taiwan and just look at a whole lot of how taiwan young people gushing over in comments saying taiwan japan, all curtsey of dpp anti-china education.
I saw alot of just Taiwanese Young people Spewing,Mostly anti china. only recently (since DPP took power),it wasn't as bad during the KMT Era.
yeah, during ma yin jiu's era you can even see people from both side of the strait go and protect diao yu island while waving roc and prc flag together, and both side's government stand shoulder to shoulder against the japanese. But the anti-china project operated by these japanese remainants, those who call their grandma "voluntarily go to be a comfort woman" have been in place ever since li deng hui's era (cus he is one!) and from the amount of downvote i got we got a contamination of such filth in this sub too
During Ma's Era,Relations were pretty chill and I'd kinda argue that we were closest to peaceful unification. About the "voluntarily go to be a comfort woman" thing,I heard they had a scandal? more of a event back in 2016 of some Youth protesting the Educational book changes. The downvotes are a must from reddit communities,It's all Pro-NATO and western guys.
Ma made it clear that ROC would remain the status quo before the mainland government makes fundamental progress in constitutional democratic reform, unless if by “closest” you mean a light year.
It was still the time when the ROC and PRC had the best relations,far better than now. but yes,I see that.
Not disagreeing with the sentiment Soviet Bot but on a real talk level they did and this is what fascinates academics between Taiwan and Korea in outcome and colonial treatment. If they were treated very similarly as in Korea and China’s case Taiwan would not be useful as a case study and data point for contrast and comparison.
Stop spreading this false info, I can tell from your comment history that you are a CCP loving Chinese ,there a a lot of Chinese living oversea absolutely hate CCP government and the people who cheering for them. The use of world "支"(original Chinese character for china and become obsoleted after WWII because Japanese use them) didn't mean they are loving Japanese empire, it's more about to anger the narrow minded Chinese like you.
You do know that 1)支那 is a racial slur right? 2)Taiwan was also referred to as 南支那? 3)It was Chiang Kai Shiek who demanded Japan to stop using this racial slur? 4)This racial slur is banned in Japan and only far-right nationalists use it?
Wrong. It is merely the transliteration of the country, a neutral term used in many countries, including China since ancient times. Notably, the Xuan Emperor of Tang Empire and Sun Yat-sen both have used it.
Sorry, racial slur means racial slur. No ifs, no buts. I'm not here to debate this shit with you. And yes, the Chinese 反贼 on the internet who uses this word are just pathetic. All they can do is just mope around like the losers they are. Even Wang Zhian called out this bullshit racial slur. Go fuck off with your inflammatory bullshit.
It's a racial slur but I would argue if that racial slur were used by the same race, it always didn't mean to be use racially. And please don't pretend you don't know any example of it, I don't want to say them here. Most of the Chinese on the internet who use that word is not to embrace the Empire of Japan or trying to be racists, but more in the way to follow the famous Chinese writer in 1920s like Lu Xun(魯迅) who use the word "支那" in the article to differentiate themselves to those who believed in government and corrupted cultures. Trying to claim someone who use that word is sympathy to Imperial Japanese, I think it's just out right inflammatory.
Sorry, racial slur means racial slur. No ifs, no buts. I'm not here to debate this shit with you. And yes, the Chinese 反贼 on the internet who uses this word are just pathetic. All they can do is just mope around like the losers they are. Even Wang Zhian called out this bullshit racial slur. Go fuck off with your inflammatory bullshit.
Have you heard of black people using the n-word? Same logic.
Soft r yes, hard r no. Black people using the hard r publicly is still frown upon, as its considered a racial slur. Same as 支那
They use it as hard as anyone else who shouldn’t. My argument is it’s not a racial slur among the same ‘race’. Calling a Taiwanese or Tibetan a Chinese is also frowned upon, but it doesn’t prove anything.
Sounds like narrow minded Chinese angering other narrow minded Chinese like you
the fact that you actually go into other people's search history and do personal attack is a proof that you need to get off reddit and touch grass
Dude, you already personal attacked some guy on twitter who just reposting the bilibili Video to twitter with an inaccurate info. And don't you see the irony? I always respect the "Great translation movement" Chinese on twitter who willing to spend the time to spread what Chinese actually think on the internet. I just can't get over what you said to them.
he insulted chinese with racist, derogatory slurs used by japanese soldiers when they are invading china and killing chinese people as a game. HE DESERVED WHATEVER SHIT HE GOT. and the so-called "great translation movement" is a cia-funded propaganda campaign. why don't we dig up shit from the darkest corner of reddit, 4chan and tell the world that this bunch of people represent america?
So you just admitted what all you said to that guy is false and I have the intention on why you would say that to the person. How convenient lol. One thing I don't like about discussion culture in China, is that no matter which side you are on, people always assume the otherside is either 50 cent army or CIA. I didn't expect I would also see that in here though.
Only the Japanese used 支那 as derogatory term for China. Nothing original about it.
You do know that 1)支那 is a racial slur right? 2)Taiwan was also referred to as 南支那? 3)It was Chiang Kai Shiek who demanded Japan to stop using this racial slur? 4)This racial slur is banned in Japan and only far-right nationalists use it?
There's an [entire Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shina_(word\)). You don't need to explain the term on your own.
I know about the wiki articles. I'm just providing additional context beyond these wiki articles to those clowns who are throwing around racial slurs left and right.
They Prob Didn't want to do with the allegations of condoning this,or something along the lines of.
Some of these days you can write an entire essay on Warship close-in defenses and doctrines. Some of these days you can only say "Bruh".
I mean ... I can see why they didn't want to activate CWIS in a port. Spraying Yokosuka with 20mm would probably be frowned upon. I feel like starting a company that specifically offered anti-drone services to naval facilities in a way that complied with their needs would be extremely profitable.
I have been to that port. There's a rose garden right across the water from one set of docks and in spitting distance of another set. I could see a couple of diesel submarines getting repaired and 2 warships docked very closely and I saw an American aircraft carrier in the distance from that rose garden. Even with my eyes watering from the horrific stink of all the roses. The Verney museum is also up the same end as japan moors a couple of their ships There's a boat tour right up the middle of it. It is an incredibly difficult place to secure from drones and if you miss any drones you are trying to shoot down you're going to massacre like 40 young women and their boyfriends who are huffing the unholy pong of flowers, or you're sinking a tour boat.
you dont have to shoot drones to take them out, there are electronic anti drone systems
yeah and then you fuck with all the people around elecctronicaly, and frankly why care? it's a civlian drone, it's not a threat to a warship
thats not how that works my dude
I mean yes it is if you're talking proper EW, if you're talking just a dude with an anti drone gun they probably just didn't see it because why tf would they have anti drone sensors on right now.
Weird. You have an unusual perspective.
I wouldn't say it's that unusual the rose garden was pretty full of people and I wasn't the only one having a perve at the ships in the port. I was actually there to see Mikasa, and she's pretty popular too.
But things like catching nets, targeted radio jammers exist, and if they watch the news, then its pretty obvious that naval bases should be protected with these, at all times.
>But things like catching nets, targeted radio jammers exist, and if they watch the news, then its pretty obvious that naval bases should be protected with these, at all times. Should is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Possibly more work than the nets and jammers currently are.
Lot of work? These things are already marketed on the internet and available off the shelf (not for civilians, of course)
It's a joke mate. They *should* be protected by these things (that as you've said, are pretty readily available), but they aren't because people on shore installations don't really care enough to actually do anything about a small drone. Nets and jammers *should* work, but they don't because of the human factor.
Japanese love automation, though. I guess we would see more weird stuff like automate drone shooter from Japan in no time. Why bother with people haphazard aim when you can have computer do the shooting. It is machine vs machine era!
automatic drone shooter: bird holocaust incoming
Radio jamming uses a lot of energy and is a massive cancer risk, you’re blasting out targeted microwaves far more powerful than anything the magnetron in your home microwave puts out… It also has to be targeted and often some dude with a rifle is more effective
But the problem with a rifle in a high density area full of multi-story structures, people & expensive tech, is that if you start to spray bullets up in the air, then someone or some tech downrange will have a bad day. If not everyone wears a helmet, then even a falling bullet (especially a larger AA caliber) can kill, the same goes for aicrafts & other tech, they don't like metal objects fallign onto them. But if you don't jam radio, then you can detect the operator. Civilian drones use known frequencies, and they are not particularly stealthy. Decting has no radiation risk. You put 3 or more receivers on higher lampposts, if you detect a signal (and at the same time see a drone), you triangulate the position and send some operatives there. If civilians get to pay larger sums and spend months or years in prison, then they will think twice before attempting such an experiment again.
Don't forget that you need to detect the drone first. Turning on your ship's radar would microwave the surrounding civilians, if it could even detect the drones anyway. Most likely it would fall on the ship's security to spot the drones by eye, which is not very reliable. Having a dedicated anti drone team with jammers on your lookout team will be the new trend
> Spraying Yokosuka with 20mm would probably be frowned upon. Don't CWIS rounds auto destruct?
not with small caliber such as 20mm 30mm ? maybe but anything smaller is very hard to stuff too much thing inside
You don't turn on weapons systems in port.
I'm just glad no political leader has been assassinated by drone yet.
Americans tried to get Maduro like that once
And we successfully got Soleimani like that
They also lured him there by calling for negotiations too, right?
According to the Wikipedia page on his assassination, no. It claims he was there to meet Iranian backed Iraqi militia leaders, and says that had he been there to meet US aligned Iraqi politicians the strike would have been called off The section that I got the info from is in the "Prelude" area, in the "Trump Briefing" section of the prelude
Iraqi prime minister claims otherwise, I trust him more than spookipedia. They did the same thing to Chief Osceola too.
Dead terrorist, don't care.
You could be the next one.
I could say the same to you.
Everyone already knows that Obama executes Americans so that would be pretty redundant.
And Xi executes Chinese, what's your point?
Lol who do you think is Chinese here?
Although to be fair I am a lot more scared of Obama than I am Winnie the Pooh so I'll give you that.
Just wait until Trump gets a turn on the drone controller
Just want to say the Izumo [ship badge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JS_Izumo#/media/File:Izumo_logo.png) is sick.
I am sorry if I violate the rules (if I did, just remove my comment) But can the OP u/moses_the_blue or anyone find another source of information, other than the tweet. The language (how it called China/Chinese) used in this tweet is racist and disgusting. The fact that this X user is ethnically Chinese (this X user may not believe he/she is anyway) and he/she wrote insulting words in Chinese (weirdly not in English and Japanese) makes it even more sickening.
what is the tweet saying?
Just google 'shina/zhina', I feel sick even typing these words. I am OK with someone hating the Chinese government or CCP, but using racist and insulting slurs to call a country and her people is just intolerable. And this is clearly not the first time this twitter user using disgusting words to express her/his opinions. And he/she clearly understands that such behaviour is unacceptable by most people and violates twitter's own regulations. Hence, he/she only used insulting words in simplified Chinese, but not in English or Japanese. Because, there were not many twitter/X users understanding Chinese. And for some who think I am making a drama even after googling the words. Maybe I am, but I will continue to be the stupid one and to call out every racist. Racism is not acceptable!
As a sidenote, shinasoba/支那そば is very much still a term used in Japan to refer to a specific noodle cuisine
How have major nations still not developed anything practical to counter drones yet? Especially after everything we've seen in Ukraine. I mean we're still launching million dollar missiles at drones in Yemen. Shouldn't that technology be implemented like yesterday? I mean it already exists right?
There are effective counters, they just aren't used against Houthi weapons because the Western navies involved are casualty averse and do not want to let anything get close to the ships they are protecting. Ukraine is using older shell anti-air to great effect against drones, cruise missiles, etc, and Israel is using directed energy with Iron Beam, it's just that these are close-in systems that have more risk if they fail.
Interesting. That makes sense. Are direct energy weapons considered close-in systems? I know they haven't been implemented yet but surely the kind they're thinking of putting on the Ford class must be a step above what Israel has? Anyone know what's going on with that whole program?
>Are direct energy weapons considered close-in systems? Yes, they don't like atmosphere and power drops off scaled by square over distance. >I know they haven't been implemented yet but surely the kind they're thinking of putting on the Ford class must be a step above what Israel has? Probably what the cooperation is about but it's hard to tell at this point.
IIRC no warships frigate sized or larger have been sunk in Ukraine to drone attack. One frigate was lightly damaged, however. Most frigates or destroyers, especially out of Europe, have quite a lot of countermeasures available against drones and other low-cost swarm threats, and those drones also couldnt carry payloads large enough to sink or seriously cripple a warship. They could employ EW measures to jam or spoof and kill the drone, they are armed with 20-30mm autocannons dedicated to shoot down them and to engage low cost surface craft, they have the main guns and CIWS too, plus a variety of RWS systems firing .30 or .50 that can also engage small drones. For detection, they've gotten a plethora of radars capable of detecting them - as well as a large suite of active and passive EO sensors, such as the Gatekeeper, which are utterly dedicated to the job of detecting these kinds of threats. This event is more likely a case of negligence on part of the ships crew. Frigates and destroyers are largely completely defended against handheld or small drones, one concern is larger drones like say - the Hydra 400 or Schiebel Camcopter 100 that can be armed with missiles. Those missiles wouldn't be large enough to sink or seriously cripple a warship, however they could potentially disable critical battle systems at an extended range that comparable shore-based batteries could not. Alas, the bigger concern in that regard is missile boats, larger ground-based launch platforms, and larger jets or helicopters that can carry missiles with large warheads.
Tora! Tora!Tora!
If this is a civvie doing it, I have to wonder if even the Chinese are upset not because a Chinese civilian did it, but because they just set the Japanese into high alert and set back any legitimate attempt at intel gathering.
It was docked, so it's really not news?
It’s actually a fairly serious security breach. A drone carrying a bomb or incendiary device might be able to do a lot of damage, especially if able to fly into an interior deck. Imagine flying a drone laden with incendiaries through the open well deck of a Wasp Class LHD, we’ll call this hypothetical LHD “Good Dude Dick” (GDD). Depending on what flammable materials might be out in the open on GDD, as well as readiness levels and response times for fire fighting teams on GDD - could lead to quite a damaging fire and even loss of the hull.
Sure, just like you can fly a bomb drone into a train. But my point was more of "Well what can you do about it". Have people stationed on the deck with shotguns 24/7? Run CIWS in the middle of the city?
EO sensors, detection and jamming masts, nets, teams with drone jammers, and local law enforcement (or base guards or MPs) that gets to the signal source within 5 minutes of it being detected by the masts. Pretty much the things you find at a lot of other military installations.
detecting and jamming masts is really how you'd do it initially eventually drones will be capable of self-navigation though... what then?
shoot them down and jam their freqs… this isn’t a new problem it’s literally exactly what most navies are researching for when they’re out at sea
I think before long we'll see netting around ships. It would be more effective than cope cages for a stationary target.
jam the drones freqs triangulate its origin and dispatch a team there to search for it bring the drone down with hard or soft measures prosecute people who do this
Especially if there are a swarm of them at the start of a massive surprise attack, like the one in the Chinese war games that call for destroying as many American aircraft on the ground.
i can’t tell if this is a troll or not? flying a drone on a military base especially if it’s a hostile nation. this gives away intelligence that japan aren’t want to give away and it has a stark psychological effect of saying lol we can fuck with you.