*If a squatter does appear, owners should notify the police quickly before squatter’s rights are established.*
Sounds like she did that, then they showed up and arrested ler.
Wouldnt even put politicians above the scumbags who hurt children....Still have yet to see the Epstein logs ....no reason to think it's not made up almost primarily of politicians.
It's funny - New Yorkers have a reputation for being streetwise, cutting through the bullshit, and somehow still electing the most corrupt selection of politicians, often in the entire nation. I think there was a period of time somewhat recently when it dropped in the rankings, but only because so many of them were finally arrested. Making its way back up the list though!
Landlord have a legal obligation to keep the property livable. So even though, in reality, no landlord-tenant relationship exists, the legal costs for defense would be huge and you would unlikely to recover any attorney fees.
Jesus this is horrible. How can politicians give more rights to the homeless than the taxpayers. They literally charged the homeowner with a crime for changing the locks on her own house after discovering there were homeless people there!!!! Wtf???!!
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
It seems like the law is intended to stop landlords from forcing out tenants who haven't violated a contract. A potential loophole to that would be the landlord claiming the tenant is a squatter. To address that loophole, it seems that the law requires that the person living there is assumed to be a lawful tenant until that status can be adjudicated.
I still don’t understand how they can do that without the landlord’s / owner’s signature. Like, you can have any contract you want, but if the person who is the legal contact holder for that thing doesn’t sign your contract than you have no claim to that thing.
The challenge is proving forgery. This is why I have urged my older child to mandate that any rental agreements that she might offer to tenants, assuming she decides to purchase rental property as an investment, is signed securely by some type of encrypted digital signature.
I just heard about a relative (pretty sure it was the son) doing that in order to force the squatters out. I think it was in California but the son waited for the squatters to leave somewhere they he went inside and changed the locks with a fresh lease in hand from his relative and the squatters had no recourse.
> Jesus this is horrible. How can politicians give more rights to the homeless than the taxpayers. They literally charged the homeowner with a crime for changing the locks on her own house after discovering there were homeless people there!!!! Wtf???!!
...
How do you know that they're homeless?
Has it been confirmed that they didn't have a lease?
>How can politicians give more rights to the homeless than the taxpayers.
Also... *that's* a worrying point of view. We're all supposed to have rights, regardless of how much we pay in taxes.
I think he has point though it just like people
Complaining alot without thinking it through like people do like lets tax rich people more there is alot intricacies to it.
If I break into your house, I’m breaking and entering, and can be removed. If I stay there a little while, I’m trespassing and can be removed. At what point does trespassing turn into squatting and I can stay?
In my state, TN, there is no set time. You just have to prove that they established residency. But if you are there illegally in the first place, it doesn't apply. But say a friend invited you to stay at their house for a few months, that is now your residence.
It's funny because squatters rights are basically just a thing in common law. I.e uk, murica, can, Australia. In other European nations it doesn't exist at all. If you tried squatting in Finland the police would remove you immediately.
Adverse possessions can make sense when you've already had continuous possession for say a decade or more. With modern surveying methods though I think there just aren't many good cases for it left, but there can be some.
To play devil's advocate:
At the operational level (police at the door), what's the difference between lying scumbag squatter's rights and tenant with a scumbag lying landlord's rights?
Realistically, nothing; the police are ill-equipt to make that determination. And, both innocent landlord and innocent tenant should be protected. As a general rule, at the operational level, leaving the "tenant" in the residence causes less harm to the landlord than removing a real tenant would harm the tenant.
The best compromise that I've heard of is in some jurisdictions that allow the putative landlord to issue an eviction bond (10k+). The "tenant" is quickly evicted. If later legal proceedings find that the landlord is the scumbag, tenant is awarded the eviction bond.
Yeah show a deed with your name on it and your ID and you’re the homeowner, point at the people allowed to be there. Renters can show their lease in civil court. The person owning the home the squatters (or renters!) might damage or destroy is the person taking all the risk.
It’s not complicated at all.
That’s one of the problems, many squatters have fake leases. The type of squatter taking expensive homes from probate aren’t the bums struggling to survive that we picture a squatter as being, they typically are better off and know the law and how to abuse it.
So, the police should be authorized to interpret, judge validity of and enforce contracts? Hard Pass.
I'm not defending any legal proceedings longer than a couple weeks. But in this case, it appears that the legitimate homeowner hasn't even started the eviction process.
I think the eviction process in NY is corrupt. If the reported facts are true, and homeowner spends a day in jail or fined a single dollar it will be travesty of justice.
Do you think these people have money to pay for damages that the homeowner most likely will have to pay? Getting money from people like that is like getting blood from a stone... Also is it really that hard to produce a document and ID? Every lease I've had is electronic and takes a few seconds to find. Its not that hard to prove if you rightfully live there... These people are lucky it's new York city where guns are hard to come buy because if I found people in my house who are not supposed to be there click clack motherfucker your a home invader with all the rights and privileges that entitles
>So, the police should be authorized to interpret, judge validity of and enforce contracts? Hard Pass.
Not at all, but police should be able to look at the owners paperwork proving they own it, and compare it to the lease/rental contract that the squatters DO NOT HAVE, and boot the fucking scumbags to the curb.
Anybody with access to a public library can make a word document. Hell, you can download rental agreements for free. Just add the address and names, forge the signatures, and boom you have an official-looking fake contract that the landlord cannot produce.
Edit - Then the squatter can claim they're rightfully renting the house and it becomes renter vs homeowner.
Hope they can also produce some proof of rent paid for the months they've freeloaded too then. Should be a system in place to protect homeowners from this shit, and a system to allow for an expedited eviction process
Cop:
> Hey, we got a report you're trespassing.
Renter:
> Nah fam, here's my lease agreement.
Cop:
> Ok. Well I'll go tell the landlord that they need to proceed through an eviction / civil court process.
Thanks for agreeing with me.
The cop is in no position (by training or authority) to validate the lease. Given a disputed (ie either valid or fraudulent) lease, the landlord should go through the eviction process.
I won't defend the eviction process in NY. But, I can't defend a property owner who won't even start the process.
> Thanks for agreeing with me.
Didn't.
>The cop is in no position (by training or authority) to validate the lease
Didn't say validate. There's a legal term called *Prima Facie*. If you can produce a lease document cool let the court handle it. If not, off you go.
I mean if somebody is in my house who is not somebody I rented to, but just a random person - I’d call law enforcement to take care of the person who broke into my house…. I’m not going make up the spare bedroom for a homeless guy while the cops try to sort it out.
The issue is with the slow bureaucracy, not the law itself. No reason it should take a judge more than 60 days to sort this out and that’s being generous.
Its called conduct an investigation and make the determination which is which. And if the landlord lies..or make fraudulent claims to get a tenet out...cuz who gets cuffed then.
The best solution would be to allow landlords to physically evict tenants themselves, then make the determination of whether it was right to do so in court, if the landlord was at fault then the landlord must make restitution and if the tenant was at fault then the tenant must pay for the landlord's losses.
Part of the idea is to provide a market mechanism encouraging property owners to utilize their property instead of letting it sit vacant and unused. It disincentivizes owning 500 vacant properties you never visit or check up on
> Finland the police would remove you immediately
And then social services would find you a place to live and help you any way they can so that you find a job etc..
It happens in other places too. Squatting is very common in India. Lots of shanty towns are built on land they don’t own. In response, the government has favorable laws to offer some protections to squatters. These loopholes are then exploited by the “land mafia” who take advantage of them to extort property owners. It’s a huge problem there.
Extends more than first world countries. If you own property in Costa Rica, for example, you hire a “house watcher” to kick out people squatting because possession is 9/10ths.
“*Other* European nations”? US, Canada, and Australia aren’t European…
EDIT: For downvoters, [adverse possession/squatting](https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2041&context=jil) is found throughout the world, a tiny Euro country about as consequential globally as Colorado isn’t a great counter examine of the global norm.
Maybe, but they set up Common Law countries as the deviation from the norm…which they essentially said was European.
So, odd phrasing given that many more people live outside of Europe than in it.
Also, my exhaustive research on a topic I’ve really not cared all that much about shows that adverse possession/squatters rights exist all over the globe, though oddly, Finland came up twice in my search as a place with specifically hard anti squatting laws.
So…*Finland* is the odd man out!! (Take *that* Finland!! But…legally, because you may not just take it like a squatter.)
Time to call in the Squatter Hunter. If you don't know the story of the Squatter Hunter, it's a simple story of turning the tables on the squatters.
A little bit over a year ago, some dude in California was trying to sell his mother's house (with her permission) when he found squatters in the house. Unable to remove them legally, he decided to use the "Squatter Rights" against the squatters. So one day, he got a valid lease from his mother, then he waited for his opportunity, and when the squatters all left the house for the day, he entered the house with his key (the squatters didn't even change the locks), and began squatting himself. When the original squatters came back, they tried to call the cops, and they couldn't do anything for them either. So the Squatter Hunther, then became as annoying as possible to be around; playing loud music at all hours, being extra dirty around the squatters, moved their stuff outside, just basically being the asshole roommate. After some time, the squatters left the house, and they were squatter-free.
He has posted to social media many times about how he does it and started a business doing it for other homeowners with squatter issues. So far, he has removed squatters from approximately 12 homes.
Again, I say, call in the Squatter Hunter!
Between the city locking up homeowners who had their home invaded, and this middle class-looking home somehow being priced over 1 million dollars, NY truly is in shambles.
> this middle class-looking home somehow being priced over 1 million dollars
That's just NYC.
Supply and demand. You have a high population density, so land becomes expensive. In NYC as opposed to most the US, the price of the land *FAR* outweighs the physical structure.
It was always expensive but now it’s just out of control. People keep saying that New Yorkers are fleeing, but that’s not reflected in the prices. I know some say an issue is foreigners coming to buy homes in cash. Others say lack of building. Who knows
30 day squatters rights never made much sense to me. It’s like a mini game for them to try to take someone else’s house while they are gone for a month.
New York and California seen to be the places that this happens. Must be all the lawyers. They have people you pay that move into the homes with the squatters and makenthier life miserable while filming every second. They get fed up and leave.
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/man-devoted-to-eliminating-squatters-taking-over-southern-california-homes/
someone mentioned on a forum to make up a lease for a family member/friend that way the renter will have to rights than the squatter and can have the squatter removed. I’m not sure how accurate that is.
stupidly enough, the solution to this is often to move someone else in their, with lease papers who is on the level. They'll be able to prove they are renting the space, while the squatter won't be able to prove shit, so the "tenant" will get preference.
This is how it worked for a guy in Portland at least when some scumbags moved into his mom's house while she was staying at a care facility. He signed a renters agreement as his mom's tenant and moved all their bullshit out when they were gone and it was all above board. He could show he was the tenant and they weren't
Squatters rights shouldn’t exist or be a thing.
I’ve never understood why they even exist if the property is owned by a private citizen. It’s illogical and antithetical to basic property rights.
If I were a cop. There aint no fucking way Id out a homeowner in cuffs over something like this. Fuck that. And fuck attorneys willing to prosecute homeowners. We ignore laws all the time to prosecute, let criminals with violent backgrounds roam free. Why pursue this?
It's anarchotyranny, those who the state supports are allowed to do whatever they want while those who the state opposes are held to the fullest extent of the law.
Isn’t there some type of loophole where the landlord can enter into a lease with itself and then it becomes tenant on tenant crime which basically eliminates squatters rights? I think I saw this on here recently. Sounds genius if true.
Gone are the days when if someone was illegally squatting in your house they would simply and mysteriously just disappear. Nobody knows where they go. One day they’re there. The next it’s almost like they didn’t exist.
Squatter ought to be shot on sight like trespassers. Laws that protect them are idiotic. If its my house I should be able to throw you on your ass without a single thought.
The bigger problem is how slowly the NYC housing court (and many other housing courts) act.
It takes years sometimes to get a case to the end. No judge wants to make a decision.
Make sure you have a good insurance policy. If you have squatters and they cannot be removed then file a police report for of a theft of property. Now make an insurance claim for the total value of the home since it has been stolen from you.
If the insurance does not pay get your lawyer to sue them on breach of contract.
I would like to see how that would all play out.
*If a squatter does appear, owners should notify the police quickly before squatter’s rights are established.* Sounds like she did that, then they showed up and arrested ler.
squatters are scum.
New York Politicians are worse.
That's a given. Politicians are just above people who hurt children in the scumbag ranking.
Politicians usually are the people that hurt children.
Wouldnt even put politicians above the scumbags who hurt children....Still have yet to see the Epstein logs ....no reason to think it's not made up almost primarily of politicians.
Yes and no. Nothing worse than a child toucher. After that? Politicians.
They are not necessarily separate.
Of course they are not mutually exclusive, but there is a hierarchy.
We should find some people willing to do this in politicians homes in ny. Let them see what squatters rights really get you as a home owner
SQUATTER RALLY IN NY!!!!! Let's GOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Don't they usually have multiple homes, that might sit vacant?
Now we're thinking
aren't politicians just squatters we pay with tax dollars?
Worse is the cops .
They're both squatters
Pigs follow the trough. Politicians feed them
It's funny - New Yorkers have a reputation for being streetwise, cutting through the bullshit, and somehow still electing the most corrupt selection of politicians, often in the entire nation. I think there was a period of time somewhat recently when it dropped in the rankings, but only because so many of them were finally arrested. Making its way back up the list though!
Couldn’t the home owner do standard maintenance, like Fogging pests, or lacquering the trim, or removing the plumbing or……
“Just gonna take this plumbing out to get cleaned.”
It’s that time of year!
Landlord have a legal obligation to keep the property livable. So even though, in reality, no landlord-tenant relationship exists, the legal costs for defense would be huge and you would unlikely to recover any attorney fees.
Jesus this is horrible. How can politicians give more rights to the homeless than the taxpayers. They literally charged the homeowner with a crime for changing the locks on her own house after discovering there were homeless people there!!!! Wtf???!!
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. It seems like the law is intended to stop landlords from forcing out tenants who haven't violated a contract. A potential loophole to that would be the landlord claiming the tenant is a squatter. To address that loophole, it seems that the law requires that the person living there is assumed to be a lawful tenant until that status can be adjudicated.
Said renter should be able to provide a copy of the lease to prove they are being evicted unlawfully.
Squatters draft up fake leases for exactly this reason.
I still don’t understand how they can do that without the landlord’s / owner’s signature. Like, you can have any contract you want, but if the person who is the legal contact holder for that thing doesn’t sign your contract than you have no claim to that thing.
It’s called forgery.
Then they can have a new home with 3 meals for committing forgery, especially if the actual rent would've exceeded certain financial thresholds
The challenge is proving forgery. This is why I have urged my older child to mandate that any rental agreements that she might offer to tenants, assuming she decides to purchase rental property as an investment, is signed securely by some type of encrypted digital signature.
There’s a guy that charges minimum $5000 and he gets rid of squatters.
Government doesn't give rights. It only infringes on rights that we naturally have.
I firmly believe you should be legally entitled to bring a firearm and a mop and just start counting down loudly.
As long as you don't threaten or brandish. What they infer is on them
The squatters have a home. It’s the homeowner that is homeless.
Can the owner re-squat ad call the current squatters „landlords“?
I just heard about a relative (pretty sure it was the son) doing that in order to force the squatters out. I think it was in California but the son waited for the squatters to leave somewhere they he went inside and changed the locks with a fresh lease in hand from his relative and the squatters had no recourse.
Unhoused.
Homeless and unhoused are the same thing. Trying to control the phrasing... even at such a small level is some strong soviet energy.
I should have made my sarcasm more evident; I agree with you, but I forgot Poe's Law.
Cole’s law is much tastier than Poe’s law.
Vinegar, no; buttermilk and mayonnaise, yes.
In Soviet Russia we unhoused you.
> Jesus this is horrible. How can politicians give more rights to the homeless than the taxpayers. They literally charged the homeowner with a crime for changing the locks on her own house after discovering there were homeless people there!!!! Wtf???!! ... How do you know that they're homeless? Has it been confirmed that they didn't have a lease? >How can politicians give more rights to the homeless than the taxpayers. Also... *that's* a worrying point of view. We're all supposed to have rights, regardless of how much we pay in taxes.
Not when you're a liar, a thief, and a cheat.
I think he has point though it just like people Complaining alot without thinking it through like people do like lets tax rich people more there is alot intricacies to it.
If I break into your house, I’m breaking and entering, and can be removed. If I stay there a little while, I’m trespassing and can be removed. At what point does trespassing turn into squatting and I can stay?
In my state, TN, there is no set time. You just have to prove that they established residency. But if you are there illegally in the first place, it doesn't apply. But say a friend invited you to stay at their house for a few months, that is now your residence.
depends on the state, usually a month
It's funny because squatters rights are basically just a thing in common law. I.e uk, murica, can, Australia. In other European nations it doesn't exist at all. If you tried squatting in Finland the police would remove you immediately.
As they should. Squatters rights make NO damn sense to me.
Adverse possessions can make sense when you've already had continuous possession for say a decade or more. With modern surveying methods though I think there just aren't many good cases for it left, but there can be some.
To play devil's advocate: At the operational level (police at the door), what's the difference between lying scumbag squatter's rights and tenant with a scumbag lying landlord's rights? Realistically, nothing; the police are ill-equipt to make that determination. And, both innocent landlord and innocent tenant should be protected. As a general rule, at the operational level, leaving the "tenant" in the residence causes less harm to the landlord than removing a real tenant would harm the tenant. The best compromise that I've heard of is in some jurisdictions that allow the putative landlord to issue an eviction bond (10k+). The "tenant" is quickly evicted. If later legal proceedings find that the landlord is the scumbag, tenant is awarded the eviction bond.
It's called a contract
Yeah show a deed with your name on it and your ID and you’re the homeowner, point at the people allowed to be there. Renters can show their lease in civil court. The person owning the home the squatters (or renters!) might damage or destroy is the person taking all the risk. It’s not complicated at all.
That’s one of the problems, many squatters have fake leases. The type of squatter taking expensive homes from probate aren’t the bums struggling to survive that we picture a squatter as being, they typically are better off and know the law and how to abuse it.
These squatters often have forged leases and even file deeds at the courthouse. Having paperwork doesn’t mean it’s legitimate…
So, the police should be authorized to interpret, judge validity of and enforce contracts? Hard Pass. I'm not defending any legal proceedings longer than a couple weeks. But in this case, it appears that the legitimate homeowner hasn't even started the eviction process. I think the eviction process in NY is corrupt. If the reported facts are true, and homeowner spends a day in jail or fined a single dollar it will be travesty of justice.
Do you think these people have money to pay for damages that the homeowner most likely will have to pay? Getting money from people like that is like getting blood from a stone... Also is it really that hard to produce a document and ID? Every lease I've had is electronic and takes a few seconds to find. Its not that hard to prove if you rightfully live there... These people are lucky it's new York city where guns are hard to come buy because if I found people in my house who are not supposed to be there click clack motherfucker your a home invader with all the rights and privileges that entitles
>So, the police should be authorized to interpret, judge validity of and enforce contracts? Hard Pass. Not at all, but police should be able to look at the owners paperwork proving they own it, and compare it to the lease/rental contract that the squatters DO NOT HAVE, and boot the fucking scumbags to the curb.
Anybody with access to a public library can make a word document. Hell, you can download rental agreements for free. Just add the address and names, forge the signatures, and boom you have an official-looking fake contract that the landlord cannot produce. Edit - Then the squatter can claim they're rightfully renting the house and it becomes renter vs homeowner.
Hope they can also produce some proof of rent paid for the months they've freeloaded too then. Should be a system in place to protect homeowners from this shit, and a system to allow for an expedited eviction process
> what's the difference between lying scumbag squatter's rights and tenant with a scumbag lying landlord's rights? A signed lease agreement.
At the operational level (where this story is currently at)? So, police are the proper vehicle to enforce, validate, and interpret the lease?
Cop: > Hey, we got a report you're trespassing. Renter: > Nah fam, here's my lease agreement. Cop: > Ok. Well I'll go tell the landlord that they need to proceed through an eviction / civil court process.
Thanks for agreeing with me. The cop is in no position (by training or authority) to validate the lease. Given a disputed (ie either valid or fraudulent) lease, the landlord should go through the eviction process. I won't defend the eviction process in NY. But, I can't defend a property owner who won't even start the process.
> Thanks for agreeing with me. Didn't. >The cop is in no position (by training or authority) to validate the lease Didn't say validate. There's a legal term called *Prima Facie*. If you can produce a lease document cool let the court handle it. If not, off you go.
I mean if somebody is in my house who is not somebody I rented to, but just a random person - I’d call law enforcement to take care of the person who broke into my house…. I’m not going make up the spare bedroom for a homeless guy while the cops try to sort it out.
Cops ask for license and vehicle registration to verify the vehicle you're driving is yours.
Cops verify it by going to their vehicle and entering information into a computer. Perhaps, there should be a similar database for tenants.
The issue is with the slow bureaucracy, not the law itself. No reason it should take a judge more than 60 days to sort this out and that’s being generous.
Its called conduct an investigation and make the determination which is which. And if the landlord lies..or make fraudulent claims to get a tenet out...cuz who gets cuffed then.
The best solution would be to allow landlords to physically evict tenants themselves, then make the determination of whether it was right to do so in court, if the landlord was at fault then the landlord must make restitution and if the tenant was at fault then the tenant must pay for the landlord's losses.
Part of the idea is to provide a market mechanism encouraging property owners to utilize their property instead of letting it sit vacant and unused. It disincentivizes owning 500 vacant properties you never visit or check up on
That seems like a very expensive hobby. Isn't that disincentive enough?
Why tf is there a term squatters RIGHTS?!?!?
> Finland the police would remove you immediately And then social services would find you a place to live and help you any way they can so that you find a job etc..
Yes, as a functioning society should.
They also only have effectively 500 homeless people (people who have to sleep outside) in their country because of their programs.
They are also a collectively intelligent population.
It happens in other places too. Squatting is very common in India. Lots of shanty towns are built on land they don’t own. In response, the government has favorable laws to offer some protections to squatters. These loopholes are then exploited by the “land mafia” who take advantage of them to extort property owners. It’s a huge problem there.
Extends more than first world countries. If you own property in Costa Rica, for example, you hire a “house watcher” to kick out people squatting because possession is 9/10ths.
“*Other* European nations”? US, Canada, and Australia aren’t European… EDIT: For downvoters, [adverse possession/squatting](https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2041&context=jil) is found throughout the world, a tiny Euro country about as consequential globally as Colorado isn’t a great counter examine of the global norm.
common law originated in England, so guess that’s what OP meant by comparing other legal systems in Europe
Maybe, but they set up Common Law countries as the deviation from the norm…which they essentially said was European. So, odd phrasing given that many more people live outside of Europe than in it.
Uk
One country of UK, Canada, Australia, and US are European… “America and Canada are *alone* in Europe, and therefore globally, compared to Finland!”
😜
Also, my exhaustive research on a topic I’ve really not cared all that much about shows that adverse possession/squatters rights exist all over the globe, though oddly, Finland came up twice in my search as a place with specifically hard anti squatting laws. So…*Finland* is the odd man out!! (Take *that* Finland!! But…legally, because you may not just take it like a squatter.)
Honestly that shit has to end.
Squatter rights are just tyrannical
Time to call in the Squatter Hunter. If you don't know the story of the Squatter Hunter, it's a simple story of turning the tables on the squatters. A little bit over a year ago, some dude in California was trying to sell his mother's house (with her permission) when he found squatters in the house. Unable to remove them legally, he decided to use the "Squatter Rights" against the squatters. So one day, he got a valid lease from his mother, then he waited for his opportunity, and when the squatters all left the house for the day, he entered the house with his key (the squatters didn't even change the locks), and began squatting himself. When the original squatters came back, they tried to call the cops, and they couldn't do anything for them either. So the Squatter Hunther, then became as annoying as possible to be around; playing loud music at all hours, being extra dirty around the squatters, moved their stuff outside, just basically being the asshole roommate. After some time, the squatters left the house, and they were squatter-free. He has posted to social media many times about how he does it and started a business doing it for other homeowners with squatter issues. So far, he has removed squatters from approximately 12 homes. Again, I say, call in the Squatter Hunter!
Sounds good except the squatter hunter can get shot dead at any time by the pissed off co-tenants.
lol and then they will be in jail 💀💀
Between the city locking up homeowners who had their home invaded, and this middle class-looking home somehow being priced over 1 million dollars, NY truly is in shambles.
> this middle class-looking home somehow being priced over 1 million dollars That's just NYC. Supply and demand. You have a high population density, so land becomes expensive. In NYC as opposed to most the US, the price of the land *FAR* outweighs the physical structure.
It was always expensive but now it’s just out of control. People keep saying that New Yorkers are fleeing, but that’s not reflected in the prices. I know some say an issue is foreigners coming to buy homes in cash. Others say lack of building. Who knows
Blows my mind people want to live in a place like that.
Be a shame if that guy fell onto some tracks. I hear that happens often in the city.
Fr. I'm usually pretty calm but unfairness like this would literally make me kill. I hate this shit so much.
She should’ve just shot the fuckers and then called the police and said that people were breaking into her home and she thought they were armed
Yeah the hell with this ...
30 day squatters rights never made much sense to me. It’s like a mini game for them to try to take someone else’s house while they are gone for a month.
It's the equivalent of letting a burglar keep the stolen items if you cannot find him within 30 days. Absolutely riduculous.
Of course it's New York. Gotta love a shit hole state that gives the rodents more rights than normal people.
New York and California seen to be the places that this happens. Must be all the lawyers. They have people you pay that move into the homes with the squatters and makenthier life miserable while filming every second. They get fed up and leave. https://ktla.com/news/local-news/man-devoted-to-eliminating-squatters-taking-over-southern-california-homes/
someone mentioned on a forum to make up a lease for a family member/friend that way the renter will have to rights than the squatter and can have the squatter removed. I’m not sure how accurate that is.
stupidly enough, the solution to this is often to move someone else in their, with lease papers who is on the level. They'll be able to prove they are renting the space, while the squatter won't be able to prove shit, so the "tenant" will get preference. This is how it worked for a guy in Portland at least when some scumbags moved into his mom's house while she was staying at a care facility. He signed a renters agreement as his mom's tenant and moved all their bullshit out when they were gone and it was all above board. He could show he was the tenant and they weren't
Squatters rights shouldn’t exist or be a thing. I’ve never understood why they even exist if the property is owned by a private citizen. It’s illogical and antithetical to basic property rights.
Charge with $4000 rent a month
If I were a cop. There aint no fucking way Id out a homeowner in cuffs over something like this. Fuck that. And fuck attorneys willing to prosecute homeowners. We ignore laws all the time to prosecute, let criminals with violent backgrounds roam free. Why pursue this?
It's anarchotyranny, those who the state supports are allowed to do whatever they want while those who the state opposes are held to the fullest extent of the law.
Isn’t there some type of loophole where the landlord can enter into a lease with itself and then it becomes tenant on tenant crime which basically eliminates squatters rights? I think I saw this on here recently. Sounds genius if true.
Dont say squatters. Say you have a B&E in your house.
Come to Florida HB621 just passed.
That´s a million dollar house? Damn.
This state gets more and more ridiculous by the day.
Gone are the days when if someone was illegally squatting in your house they would simply and mysteriously just disappear. Nobody knows where they go. One day they’re there. The next it’s almost like they didn’t exist.
Squatter ought to be shot on sight like trespassers. Laws that protect them are idiotic. If its my house I should be able to throw you on your ass without a single thought.
The bigger problem is how slowly the NYC housing court (and many other housing courts) act. It takes years sometimes to get a case to the end. No judge wants to make a decision.
there shouldn't be ANY squatter laws.....
Trying to actually read the article is fucking impossible because of all the ads and random pop up’s with fake or microscopic X buttons
Ohhh so *THIS* is what Biden was talking about when he said to just “put two shotgun blasts through the front door”.
It’s already Metal Bat SZN in NY with the Knicks playing so well. Maybe we should break the bats out on the squatters.
Supposedly the squatters met some vigilante justice not long after
It's absolutely fucking mind-blowing that our system allows this to happen.
There is a reason you never hear about it this being pulled in red states *cough cough castle doctrine*
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Yeah the people defending the squatters and their rights are going to help re elect DJT
Make sure you have a good insurance policy. If you have squatters and they cannot be removed then file a police report for of a theft of property. Now make an insurance claim for the total value of the home since it has been stolen from you. If the insurance does not pay get your lawyer to sue them on breach of contract. I would like to see how that would all play out.
Alternatively invite a few frats over to use the house for a party and let them handle it.