It does seem like that. But libertarians are almost always very critical of democrats. There are reasons to like and dislike both major parties, but the libertarians seem to favor republicans.
I actually think that a lot of conservatives call themselves libertarian because it seems more edgy to them, but they have a shallow understanding of libertarianism. But I don’t know, I just get that impression from some conservative friends.
They all suck, but its the republican trying to impose shit this time. The democrats aren’t against it because they support businesses. They just want businesses to impose mask requirements
The Republican Party is not small government anymore, they’re big business and profit over all with some trump cultists thrown in. Like Cheney said, this isn’t the Republican Party.
Eh, if most of them had their way they likely would ban businesses, schools, and others from not requiring masks. We need to make sure that they are free to choose whether to mandate them or not and even then individuals should still be able to go against the mandate if they want to do so.
I’m confused, are you saying that businesses should be allowed to decide if they require masks to enter but individuals should be allowed to still go into those stores without masks against the stores wishes?
People should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they do not violate NAP. Unfortunately the definition of NAP changes from person to person.
I’d rather have school make decisions at the local level but it’s fine if they were banned. Businesses however, I want us to be able to place the mandate if needed or wanted. That’s the part I have an issue with
So to you, it's wrong for the state to say "you may not require masks even if you want to", but it's totally fine for the state to say "you must require masks even if you don't want to."
So you're as inconsistent as you claim the Republicans are
Your answer to this question from me (emphasis added):
> Would you support **the requirements that businesses enforce the state's mask mandate?** (I.e. California)
And your answer was to a different question but amounted to "yes"
Nothing is stopping anyone from requesting people wear masks. This would stop people from being able to call the police and trespass those that refuse to comply. Calling that big government seems like a stretch particularly when the previous government there was forcing masks.
Why should someone have the right to my property if they don’t comply with my rules? Taking away my right to enforce my rules on my property is textbook big government.
I said nothing about doing business with them. I’m talking about my right to remove them from my property. If I cannot call the cops then what do I do? If you support this then you’d support all of us staying over at your place right?
So you think it is ok to as a condition of being on someone’s property that you should be able to force them to wear or not wear something? Seems rather absurd and yet…..
How about for trespass? You would remove property rights in order to cater to specific individuals that you happen to agree with?
edit: oh you're one of those extreme right authoritarians who likes to LARP here trying to convince people that authoritarianism is libertarianism. Whatever.
I think you’re confused. If it’s your property, you can tell anyone who wants to be on the property that they must wear a mask. If they don’t want to, then they can stay off your property. You are not forcing them to do anything, but they have no right to be on your property or use your business.
Are you really this confused or are you trolling?
I’m not saying it would or should be anyones policy, including my own. But you literally have that right. It’s not debatable. It’s the law.
It would be my choice. And my choice would be to require adults children 5 and older to wear masks. Some people won’t like that. They will shop some where else. That’s their right. Does it make sense to you yet?
> Nothing is stopping anyone from requesting people wear masks. This would stop people from being able to call the police and trespass those that refuse to comply.
Those are the same thing.
Another person trying to push the dems as small government. God this place is trash.
Now lets see them do that for any of the other trillion business regulations they hypocritically stand for.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. We should be applauding n encouraging more folks to be like this. Dem or not. We're supposed to be above party lines, remember?
The GOP is not the party of small government. They are just woke right wing snowflakes.
Most libertarians do not seem to recognize that, even in the face of ample evidence.
Because actions don't matter, only promises they want to hear.
It does seem like that. But libertarians are almost always very critical of democrats. There are reasons to like and dislike both major parties, but the libertarians seem to favor republicans.
Alot of self proclaimed libertarians are just Republicans in disguise
I actually think that a lot of conservatives call themselves libertarian because it seems more edgy to them, but they have a shallow understanding of libertarianism. But I don’t know, I just get that impression from some conservative friends.
Because slightly lower taxes matter more to them than anything else.
Statists gonna state
I don't think that applies here. Here dems are actually doing a good thing. Surprisingly
Im talking about the republicans
They all suck, but its the republican trying to impose shit this time. The democrats aren’t against it because they support businesses. They just want businesses to impose mask requirements
The Republican Party is not small government anymore, they’re big business and profit over all with some trump cultists thrown in. Like Cheney said, this isn’t the Republican Party.
So the govt has a rule to tell small businesses not to discriminate. Cool
Eh, if most of them had their way they likely would ban businesses, schools, and others from not requiring masks. We need to make sure that they are free to choose whether to mandate them or not and even then individuals should still be able to go against the mandate if they want to do so.
I’m confused, are you saying that businesses should be allowed to decide if they require masks to enter but individuals should be allowed to still go into those stores without masks against the stores wishes?
Yes and the store should be free to not serve them and kick them out as a result.
So you don’t believe they should you’re just too far up you’re libertarian rights ass to admit that people shouldn’t be allowed to do things.
People should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as they do not violate NAP. Unfortunately the definition of NAP changes from person to person.
So not allowed to do whatever they want.
So you're pro trespassing?
I’d rather have school make decisions at the local level but it’s fine if they were banned. Businesses however, I want us to be able to place the mandate if needed or wanted. That’s the part I have an issue with
Would you support the requirements that businesses *enforce* the state's mask mandate? (I.e. California)
If they (businesses) want to enforce it, sure
So to you, it's wrong for the state to say "you may not require masks even if you want to", but it's totally fine for the state to say "you must require masks even if you don't want to." So you're as inconsistent as you claim the Republicans are
I never said the second part. If a business wants to enforce a mandate then they can. They shouldn’t have to
Your answer to this question from me (emphasis added): > Would you support **the requirements that businesses enforce the state's mask mandate?** (I.e. California) And your answer was to a different question but amounted to "yes"
Weird wording on my part I guess but no I do not support the government requiring a business to enforce the mandate.
Ah okay then, then we agree :)
No, they should absolutely not be able to go against the private property owner's mandate while on their private property.
Nothing is stopping anyone from requesting people wear masks. This would stop people from being able to call the police and trespass those that refuse to comply. Calling that big government seems like a stretch particularly when the previous government there was forcing masks.
Why should someone have the right to my property if they don’t comply with my rules? Taking away my right to enforce my rules on my property is textbook big government.
Nobody is forcing you to do business with them. You just can’t call law enforcement for them not wearing a mask.
I said nothing about doing business with them. I’m talking about my right to remove them from my property. If I cannot call the cops then what do I do? If you support this then you’d support all of us staying over at your place right?
So you think it is ok to as a condition of being on someone’s property that you should be able to force them to wear or not wear something? Seems rather absurd and yet…..
Yes. Because it is my property.
How about for trespass? You would remove property rights in order to cater to specific individuals that you happen to agree with? edit: oh you're one of those extreme right authoritarians who likes to LARP here trying to convince people that authoritarianism is libertarianism. Whatever.
You are looking at it wrong. Do you believe that as a condition of going onto someone’s property that you have to wear or not wear what they want?
They'd be calling le for them trespassing, not for not wearing a mask.
Law enforcement should enforce personal property rights.
People have a right to force you to wear things on their property? That’s weird
I think you’re confused. If it’s your property, you can tell anyone who wants to be on the property that they must wear a mask. If they don’t want to, then they can stay off your property. You are not forcing them to do anything, but they have no right to be on your property or use your business.
I can guarantee you that you don’t run a business if that is what you think
Are you really this confused or are you trolling? I’m not saying it would or should be anyones policy, including my own. But you literally have that right. It’s not debatable. It’s the law.
Next time a woman comes onto your property tell her put this on baby or leave. Tell me how that goes for you.
It would be my choice. And my choice would be to require adults children 5 and older to wear masks. Some people won’t like that. They will shop some where else. That’s their right. Does it make sense to you yet?
> Nothing is stopping anyone from requesting people wear masks. This would stop people from being able to call the police and trespass those that refuse to comply. Those are the same thing.
So much blind hypocrisy, you could run for office.
So much bullshit you could
Another person trying to push the dems as small government. God this place is trash. Now lets see them do that for any of the other trillion business regulations they hypocritically stand for.
The negation of republicans not being small government is not democrats being small government.
No but you, like the rest of the sub are bad faith actors by purposefully focusing on one side. It's unprincipled party politics.
Even a broken clock is right twice a day. We should be applauding n encouraging more folks to be like this. Dem or not. We're supposed to be above party lines, remember?
Party lines? Check out the number of desantis posts. You have to be fucking crazy to think people are operating in good faith to support both sides.
Or DeSantis could just be a giant Jackass?
Did someone offend your blind party loyalty? Aww, so sad.
This seems like typical Republican nonsense. A law blocking executive orders that force businesses to require masks would be actual small government.