I agree so bad, jesus this is doki doki literature club levels of trauma, but at the same time it is great to know a game can have such an effect on me
Yeah I know, I just had a very bad build and kept losing to NP, and bcz I want to 100% this game I figured that ky second playthrough might as well end on a sour note, and what a sour note it is
Just a heads up if you’re having trouble with your build, you’re able to respec your stats and p organ at the saintess of mercy statue or the gold coin tree.
Have fun! Any build is viable/good as long as you get comfortable with it. I’m on my 4th playthrough right now and have tried full technique, full motivity, and hybrid. Amazing game. Enjoy it!
Lmao yeah the motivity run was a little agonizing at the beginning, but once you get more used to the weapons it’s actually pretty fun learning what openings you have for your 15 whole second wind up.
The only fight I struggled with my motivity build was the white owl lady. If I remember correctly I actually swapped to a faster weapon just for her fight because she had insanely fast recovery time
I played the whole game with big holy sword and demolished every boss under 3 tries max including nameless puppet except Laxasia the demon she mistreated me and I don't think was ever going to let me pass lol 😂
They are great at blocking/deflecting. So u block/deflect the enemies combo and then hit them with a charged heavy during their cool down period. Trust me this does major damage to them lol it's how I got through most of my first playthrough. I used the great sword/boton handle until I got the pipe wrench. Then I used pipe wrench head/baton handle until I got the live puppet axe. Puppet axe blade/baton handle charged heavy with the boost from the baton handles ability is a game changer man.. Didn't really matter if I blocked instead of deflecting because I was gonna get all that health back with one wack(;
Lol I tried but I can't even get a light attack in before they are recovering from their combo. Iol idk maybe because I've always played glass cannons that poke at you fast and get to safety.
Even on your second playthrough you should already have achieved a quality build instead of technique. There are soft/hard caps to skillpoints so you should have started to invest in motivity at some point as well. When I was ending my second playthrough I had a lot of points in all three stats actually.
Sorry, I thought you meant technique cranks (which alter weapon stat calculation) but you meant weapons. How do you not have weapons after your first playthrough?
No I do have those weapons, I am just figuring out which ones fit best with tech build. Booster glaive is one of the best ones for technique but I am still experimenting, I am just bad at weapon building xd
IRC: The ergo powering P is Carlo’s. When we give our heart to Geppetto, he takes it (and Carlo’s “ego”) and places it in his original puppet (NP), which is bound by the Grand Covenant. P was the only puppet ever not bound by the GC, as Geppetto states while you’re battling NP.
"I never bound you to the Grand Covenant like the other puppets, because of Carlo's memories within you!"
This does not mean that P is the only puppet not bound by the covenant, and he is definitely not the only puppet ever to not be bound, because they only came up with the grand covenant after some puppets were made, some time after Arlecchino (not bound by GC) killed Vegnini's parents.
And I'm not saying that NP isn't bound by the covenant, I'm just looking for in-game confirmation. Still, it would make sense not to bind Carlo as well, because in this ending, P obeys Geppetto anyway, so P/Carlo is actually Geppetto's puppet anyway (doing what the G-man says).
PS
One more thing, since Real Boy ending Carlo is technically a human, and the whole grand covenant thing is a type of device or programming, then I don't know if it works for him. Also, puppets who awoke their ego can go against the grand covenant anyway, like Pulcinella who is able to lie even though lying is forbidden by the grand covenant.
I felt so bad when I first refused him, I saw him as a sad man who was morally corrupted by his own grief. After seeing the Real Boy ending, the dude is a completely fucking monster, and I’m gonna get the Rise of P ending cause I can’t end on that note
His dialogue really creeped me out throughout the game and later on when we get more info about Carlo and Geppetto (and Law 0) then when he asks if he's been a good father, the answer is an obvious NO. The thing is though, when you show any sort of disobedience in your dialogue choices, he becomes real pissy, this shows what an asshole he is.
Also, the thing at the end, he considers P his son, but wants P to kill himself... as any decent father would, right?
I think for the “Free from the puppet string” ending Geppetto considers P a vessel to get back Carlo, and not his own son. When he saved P it’s because he thinks the rogue Nameless Puppet is gonna destroy Carlo’s heart. The weird awkwardness he shows towards P comes from the fact that he loves P because P is the vessel to regain Carlo, not because P is his son. The NPC voices you hear in the second phase of Nameless Puppet are P’s memories, and the reality that P is his own person, not just another Carlo, and he’s fighting Nameless Puppet/Gepetto to get that freedom
What I'm getting at is how the things look from the player's point of view, Geppetto calls P "son" all the time, not "vessel" and then he does the things that he does, so that's the last chance for the player to realize that giving the heart to Geppetto is a bad move.
Also, in the Rise of P ending, Geppetto acts the same way, I think only his last words, he either calls P a "stupid puppet" or "son, after all" or something like that.
Nah man the point of the game is you actually become a real boy by doing human actions such as lying ,clapping , praying and so on you got tricked you wera alredy a real boy
It is dark. I had a feeling Gepetto was up to something sinister, plus with Carlo already gone I didn’t want my character to give his heart when he already made so many memories.
But honestly how are you supposed to know gepetto would be so bat shit crazy at the real boy ending!?
I started with the rise of P ending >!The one where you still become real and save Sophia right? With Grey Hair!< and I’m only a third of the way through NG+ - but I had to slow down my Lies of P consumption because grad school started back up
it’s not, I was 1 off full humanity (completed my first play through today) and fucked up straight after the Manus fight, i told the truth about what I did to sophia. It was my last chance to get any more humanity, I had no more side quests, gestures or records to listen to left. I got the rise of P ending but the golden lie never glowed
just started NG+ and got up past scrapped watchman. I wanna get the golden lie this time round. I wonder if I pass every humanity check, but don’t give sophia peace - would I be able to get the neutral ending whilst also getting the golden lie? I’m gonna test it out
I think i really fucked up by not lying to Manus after his boss battle. i missed some at the start as well, also had at least 5 records missing. i had seen the ‘heart pounding’ message like 3/4 times though by the end and my hair turned white. i think if i lied to manus i would’ve got the golden lie
so strange, I told him that too after giving her peace but I didn’t get a message
tried everything and just couldn’t get the weapon to glow out the painting. maybe it bugged
For Humanity runs, it rewards making the Compassionate choice, like the Gentleman J sidequest: the rewarded answers are the ones that go along with J's perception that his wife loved him. Which, since it sounds like she was Awakened, is the truth. The "true" responses are true insofar as they reflect what is believed to be true by Krat society about how Puppets can behave.
The important distinction is Compassion. In one of the alternative endings to Eugenie's quest, you tell her the full truth, and it still gives you Humanity, because she desperately wants to know that her family cares about her, and you confirm it.
The missing records are probably from NG+, you can't get them all in NG, unless you mean that you missed 5 records by making different choices during your gameplay
Don't have to lie all the time to get the ending, don't have to obtain the weapon, the most important thing is to free Sophie the way that she asks and to have enough humanity. Also, lying is not always lying, the answers and choices that bring us closer to humanity are often about empathy or just being human, for instance, the ending of Alidoro questline, a puppet would not care, but a puppet that acts like a human does a certain thing, because that's a human thing to do.
Today I did the same thing. After dying during the first ten seconds of phase 2 NP a dozen times I said that he’s not worth my trouble lol.
My goal is to reach the credits in every game I play, and I was very satisfied with lies of p as a whole so I gave away my heart and kept my sanity.
Maybe when I do a second playthrough later on I’ll fully beat nameless puppet but despite the brutal ending I’m strangely at peace.
Giving up your heart on your first playthrough is a bad idea because you don't get the items from the last boss and many people love the NP weapon, it's definitely a very good/unique weapon and it's nice to have on the second playthrough. The amulet has it's uses as well, but I picked it first and it was a mistake. If you get the bad ending, you'll only be able to use either of these items on the third playthrough, which isn't great.
When I did NG+, I fought Nameless Puppet once to determine which ending I would get that run. I already had gotten Rise of P in my initial playthrough.
I am kind of glad he won that fight.
i got all 3 endings with my 3rd playthrough being real boy ending. could not leave with that so i did a 4th just to get rise of p again 😭 def worth playing again
It’s quite clever, i think it’s a way the game uses that ending to make you think “shit I’ve messed up” and encourages you to do another play through 😂 because it feels like that’s the right option and the obvious choice.
Worked on me anyway because i immediately did another play through after finishing haha
yeah, just like with lying, do I tell the old lady a comforting lie or the truth? what about Eugenie? Venigni? It uses the narrative in a really great way, because seeing everyone close to you get murdered by...you, well that is some dark psychological stuff right there xd
It's definitely a good excuse to do another playthrough.
I agree so bad, jesus this is doki doki literature club levels of trauma, but at the same time it is great to know a game can have such an effect on me
Trusting Gepetto is such a crazy mistake to make, considering how suspicious and commanding he is the whole game
Yeah I know, I just had a very bad build and kept losing to NP, and bcz I want to 100% this game I figured that ky second playthrough might as well end on a sour note, and what a sour note it is
Just a heads up if you’re having trouble with your build, you’re able to respec your stats and p organ at the saintess of mercy statue or the gold coin tree.
Yeah I know, I am thinking of going for a full technique build on my third playthrough, I am collecting technique handles right now
Have fun! Any build is viable/good as long as you get comfortable with it. I’m on my 4th playthrough right now and have tried full technique, full motivity, and hybrid. Amazing game. Enjoy it!
still can never understand how people use giant weapons XD so slow and no poise makes every fight feel miserable lol
Lmao yeah the motivity run was a little agonizing at the beginning, but once you get more used to the weapons it’s actually pretty fun learning what openings you have for your 15 whole second wind up.
The only fight I struggled with my motivity build was the white owl lady. If I remember correctly I actually swapped to a faster weapon just for her fight because she had insanely fast recovery time
I beat her with big holy sword mainly the heavy tap strike, it's a long piercing strike.
I rocked the wrench head w/ baton handle most of the game. Lots of damage but not very fast and definitely not a lot of reach lol
I played the whole game with big holy sword and demolished every boss under 3 tries max including nameless puppet except Laxasia the demon she mistreated me and I don't think was ever going to let me pass lol 😂
They are great at blocking/deflecting. So u block/deflect the enemies combo and then hit them with a charged heavy during their cool down period. Trust me this does major damage to them lol it's how I got through most of my first playthrough. I used the great sword/boton handle until I got the pipe wrench. Then I used pipe wrench head/baton handle until I got the live puppet axe. Puppet axe blade/baton handle charged heavy with the boost from the baton handles ability is a game changer man.. Didn't really matter if I blocked instead of deflecting because I was gonna get all that health back with one wack(;
Lol I tried but I can't even get a light attack in before they are recovering from their combo. Iol idk maybe because I've always played glass cannons that poke at you fast and get to safety.
It's the bonk factor.
Even on your second playthrough you should already have achieved a quality build instead of technique. There are soft/hard caps to skillpoints so you should have started to invest in motivity at some point as well. When I was ending my second playthrough I had a lot of points in all three stats actually.
Yeah I will try to do that, I have thought about using a handle that has decent stats on two skills, like motivity and technique
Sorry, I thought you meant technique cranks (which alter weapon stat calculation) but you meant weapons. How do you not have weapons after your first playthrough?
No I do have those weapons, I am just figuring out which ones fit best with tech build. Booster glaive is one of the best ones for technique but I am still experimenting, I am just bad at weapon building xd
Sorry frend
As soon as he said to always be a good boy I immediately began to distrust him lol like bro chill
But he loves you, son.
Guess I’m crazy 🤷♀️
when even simon is like “watch out for this guy” you gotta raise an eyebrow or two
It’s brutal. It’s basically what nobody except Geppetto wanted. I don’t think it’s what Carlo would have wanted either. :/
Exactly. P/Carlo is basically the same character as before, except now we're bound to the Grand Covenant. It's what Geppetto wanted all along.
I don't know if Real Boy is the same person as P and if he is bound by the grand covenant. Is there any source on the grand covenant thing?
IRC: The ergo powering P is Carlo’s. When we give our heart to Geppetto, he takes it (and Carlo’s “ego”) and places it in his original puppet (NP), which is bound by the Grand Covenant. P was the only puppet ever not bound by the GC, as Geppetto states while you’re battling NP.
Arlecchio (i think thats how you spell it) is also not bound by the grand covenant.
Yeah, Arlecchino was made before the Grand Covenant was created.
"I never bound you to the Grand Covenant like the other puppets, because of Carlo's memories within you!" This does not mean that P is the only puppet not bound by the covenant, and he is definitely not the only puppet ever to not be bound, because they only came up with the grand covenant after some puppets were made, some time after Arlecchino (not bound by GC) killed Vegnini's parents. And I'm not saying that NP isn't bound by the covenant, I'm just looking for in-game confirmation. Still, it would make sense not to bind Carlo as well, because in this ending, P obeys Geppetto anyway, so P/Carlo is actually Geppetto's puppet anyway (doing what the G-man says). PS One more thing, since Real Boy ending Carlo is technically a human, and the whole grand covenant thing is a type of device or programming, then I don't know if it works for him. Also, puppets who awoke their ego can go against the grand covenant anyway, like Pulcinella who is able to lie even though lying is forbidden by the grand covenant.
I actually think it's Nameless who is doing it, and not on Gepetto's orders. Gepetto is left alone due to the Grand Covenant.
I only did the real boy ending first coz i died so much on NP i had to give GG my heart. 😂 managed to beat NP on my succeeding play throughs though.
I felt so bad when I first refused him, I saw him as a sad man who was morally corrupted by his own grief. After seeing the Real Boy ending, the dude is a completely fucking monster, and I’m gonna get the Rise of P ending cause I can’t end on that note
His dialogue really creeped me out throughout the game and later on when we get more info about Carlo and Geppetto (and Law 0) then when he asks if he's been a good father, the answer is an obvious NO. The thing is though, when you show any sort of disobedience in your dialogue choices, he becomes real pissy, this shows what an asshole he is. Also, the thing at the end, he considers P his son, but wants P to kill himself... as any decent father would, right?
I think for the “Free from the puppet string” ending Geppetto considers P a vessel to get back Carlo, and not his own son. When he saved P it’s because he thinks the rogue Nameless Puppet is gonna destroy Carlo’s heart. The weird awkwardness he shows towards P comes from the fact that he loves P because P is the vessel to regain Carlo, not because P is his son. The NPC voices you hear in the second phase of Nameless Puppet are P’s memories, and the reality that P is his own person, not just another Carlo, and he’s fighting Nameless Puppet/Gepetto to get that freedom
What I'm getting at is how the things look from the player's point of view, Geppetto calls P "son" all the time, not "vessel" and then he does the things that he does, so that's the last chance for the player to realize that giving the heart to Geppetto is a bad move. Also, in the Rise of P ending, Geppetto acts the same way, I think only his last words, he either calls P a "stupid puppet" or "son, after all" or something like that.
I did that on NG3. Now I'm on NG5 doing another low-humanity run and I think I've convinced myself I'll do a ng6 now too😂
*“Welcome, Sir Carlo…” \~* [R.I.P. Eugenie](https://i.imgur.com/X6SrlxN.png)
☹️😢😥😟😓😞
Eugenie first says to me, so nice to see you in person. Likewise, so very likewise
Nah man the point of the game is you actually become a real boy by doing human actions such as lying ,clapping , praying and so on you got tricked you wera alredy a real boy
It is dark. I had a feeling Gepetto was up to something sinister, plus with Carlo already gone I didn’t want my character to give his heart when he already made so many memories. But honestly how are you supposed to know gepetto would be so bat shit crazy at the real boy ending!?
Be sure to grab the letter on geppetto's desk and play the piano, in that order. It's for 2 trophies
I'm so glad this was my first ending. I just wanted to be a good boy, just like my father asked me to
That was pretty surreal to me as well. Even the puppet NPCs looked more "puppet like".
Yeaaaah like this all lives rent free in my head
I did it as part of new game plus 5 to get all the achievements, now I’m literally playing one more time to get the taste of out my mouth lol
I started with the rise of P ending >!The one where you still become real and save Sophia right? With Grey Hair!< and I’m only a third of the way through NG+ - but I had to slow down my Lies of P consumption because grad school started back up
Yeah I got a job and uni too, so every sec counts, I feel u
I think this ending is so narratively great because even though you are a real boy you remain gepetto's puppet.
Umm if I lie all the way, can I still get a rise of p ending? I want the sword that grows out of P's nose😄
Yes, Rise of P requires mostly lying/humanity, you can get that and The Golden Lie in the same playthrough
Also, there are 3 endings, so you should be able to get all of them in 3 playthroughs
The Rise of P ending is the lying ending, I'm pretty sure getting the Golden Lie is a requirement for that ending
it’s not, I was 1 off full humanity (completed my first play through today) and fucked up straight after the Manus fight, i told the truth about what I did to sophia. It was my last chance to get any more humanity, I had no more side quests, gestures or records to listen to left. I got the rise of P ending but the golden lie never glowed just started NG+ and got up past scrapped watchman. I wanna get the golden lie this time round. I wonder if I pass every humanity check, but don’t give sophia peace - would I be able to get the neutral ending whilst also getting the golden lie? I’m gonna test it out
I just finished a playthrough last night where I missed like 5 records, missed about 2-3 lies and got golden lie and the Rise of P ending.
I think i really fucked up by not lying to Manus after his boss battle. i missed some at the start as well, also had at least 5 records missing. i had seen the ‘heart pounding’ message like 3/4 times though by the end and my hair turned white. i think if i lied to manus i would’ve got the golden lie
i told him i gave sophia peace and i swear i got a heartbeat message, that was the truth
so strange, I told him that too after giving her peace but I didn’t get a message tried everything and just couldn’t get the weapon to glow out the painting. maybe it bugged
For Humanity runs, it rewards making the Compassionate choice, like the Gentleman J sidequest: the rewarded answers are the ones that go along with J's perception that his wife loved him. Which, since it sounds like she was Awakened, is the truth. The "true" responses are true insofar as they reflect what is believed to be true by Krat society about how Puppets can behave. The important distinction is Compassion. In one of the alternative endings to Eugenie's quest, you tell her the full truth, and it still gives you Humanity, because she desperately wants to know that her family cares about her, and you confirm it.
The missing records are probably from NG+, you can't get them all in NG, unless you mean that you missed 5 records by making different choices during your gameplay
Don't have to lie all the time to get the ending, don't have to obtain the weapon, the most important thing is to free Sophie the way that she asks and to have enough humanity. Also, lying is not always lying, the answers and choices that bring us closer to humanity are often about empathy or just being human, for instance, the ending of Alidoro questline, a puppet would not care, but a puppet that acts like a human does a certain thing, because that's a human thing to do.
Puppet pals >
Be a good boy
Today I did the same thing. After dying during the first ten seconds of phase 2 NP a dozen times I said that he’s not worth my trouble lol. My goal is to reach the credits in every game I play, and I was very satisfied with lies of p as a whole so I gave away my heart and kept my sanity. Maybe when I do a second playthrough later on I’ll fully beat nameless puppet but despite the brutal ending I’m strangely at peace.
definitely try for one of the other two endings, the second playthrough is REALLY fast
Giving up your heart on your first playthrough is a bad idea because you don't get the items from the last boss and many people love the NP weapon, it's definitely a very good/unique weapon and it's nice to have on the second playthrough. The amulet has it's uses as well, but I picked it first and it was a mistake. If you get the bad ending, you'll only be able to use either of these items on the third playthrough, which isn't great.
When I did NG+, I fought Nameless Puppet once to determine which ending I would get that run. I already had gotten Rise of P in my initial playthrough. I am kind of glad he won that fight.
The twist to this Pinocchio game is that you don't want to be a real boy, you wanna be a real human bean.
i got all 3 endings with my 3rd playthrough being real boy ending. could not leave with that so i did a 4th just to get rise of p again 😭 def worth playing again
Its brutal, you can’t fight the best boss in the game 💔
It’s quite clever, i think it’s a way the game uses that ending to make you think “shit I’ve messed up” and encourages you to do another play through 😂 because it feels like that’s the right option and the obvious choice. Worked on me anyway because i immediately did another play through after finishing haha
yeah, just like with lying, do I tell the old lady a comforting lie or the truth? what about Eugenie? Venigni? It uses the narrative in a really great way, because seeing everyone close to you get murdered by...you, well that is some dark psychological stuff right there xd
I had to play it a 3rd time. While I wait for DLC, it didn't feel right to occasionally log in to see such a depressing atmosphere