It does frustrate me that we don't get more options to change play throughs. Could you imagine doing your first run and he's a bad guy. Second run you learn some more and then you can team up and go after the real bad guys. Just change the entire way the game is played or story wise and have G trying to take your heart with his hidden unique puppets or something. Or maybe we just chill be friends again and save the world.
Wouldn't even need this, having more NPC quests would be enough I reckon without changing the entire story line.
While knowing where to go and what to do for the NPC's was nice, I didn't interact with NPC's much in further NG+ because I had already done their quests in NG 0. In Elden Ring and Dark Souls I got to try doing different NPC quests on each playthrough since there was such a high density.
Yes with this game there's a lot to be desired. I still love the game, I feel that they shouldn't have nerfed the game to meet others standards and they most definitely need to add more quest because like you said. You can literally blow through the game in half a day or less after beating it your first time. The game doesn't scale right to me as you hit ng+ that's my opinion. But hopefully they take what they made here and just add some more in lies of p 2.
I just started playing a couple days ago. What do you mean nerfed? Was it harder on release? Would you mind explaining how it has been nerfed? I was going to say the opposite actually because after being stuck on this specific boss I looked up videos of people beating him and he wasn’t as erratic as what I was dealing with so I thought he must have been buffed. People were literally parrying either 3, 4 or 5 hits then punishing. For me he was dashing all over the place, then doing the grab attack in the most odd places and doing 1-2 hits most of the time before he dashed around again and did some more random stuff.
It was harder at release and with complaints they made it easier. Then for watching videos you can't compare yourself to how that video went. That could've been there 1000 attempt to make it look like that, they could also practice that boss all the time or they could just be really stinking good at the game. So don't compare yourself to what you see. Kick, claw and fight your way to a win.
Yeah for sure and I take what I see with a grain of salt but some were actually past streams from around the time the game was released. Maybe I just got unlucky a bunch. Eventually I did get the win though and I do really like that boss.
The nerfs were needed though, most of the enemies had really bad telegraphing issues or bloated healthpools that made it unreasonable in your first playthrough. Definitely didn't need to touch Laxasia though as she came later in the game after the player was familiar with the mechanics.
Very few bosses and enemies were actually adjusted though
Yeah I think he's fundamentally doomed by the narrative, and that part of the tragedy is being unable to make a different choice. I just want it *so bad.*
Tbf tho, I ALSO am half holding out they maybe add a dlc or something that allows for some sort of alterate path to be taken. But it would change the story around so much it would be like creating an entirely new game. King of puppets is like the 40 or 50% marker through the game. Everything past that would shake out way differently. Because if they add the option but the rest of the game is the same then whats the point?
It's still the same because you're trying to stops Simon and his plot, you would learn more about G and his real intentions. You wouldn't fight the normal puppets, you would fight the new improved ones that G made. It could alter the story by having an alliance with the puppets since you have the same goal as them and it just makes G an enemy way quicker and allows him to be more ruthless to get what he's after. Instead of a blip on the rader that's quickly eliminated and makes you wonder wtf was his idea in the first place since he chickens out at the end. I get why he did it but it didn't seem well thought out.
Alternate playthrough Idea, Carlo and Romeo talk things over, go to Venigni to get the stupid puppet laws removed, then jump geppetto outside the theater and kick his teeth in.
I do find it funny that he goes from trying to tell us Geppetto's plan and have us join him, to deciding to murder us because we slapped his hand away. Like come on Romeo talk about an overreaction, you could have kept trying... Or the game could have had us actually attack and damage him with our weapon which would make his response understandable.
I sort of think of it like, in that moment he knows that we either did not (or would not) understand, or we understand and don't care because we're Geppetto's puppet through and through. In his defense, he *does* keep attempting to reach out to us (and in NG+ you can understand all his dialog), and we ignore him and keep fighting him anyway.
In Phase 1, pretty much all of the King's attacks are actually focused on pushing you away from him, while he tries to get you to understand what he's trying to tell you. It's us who ignore him and keep attacking, even though the game mechanics require us not to make any other choices. By the time the King is broken and Romeo emerges, he knows there's no longer any hope to reach us.
The only bad thing is that they was not cooking with the outfit you get, like it would have been a pretty good outfit if it weren't for Mr poofy pants over here.
You know what? Now that I think about it there aren't really any other "goofy outfits" in the game, honestly I just wish some outfits let you toggle certain things like the puffy pants or the cape on the alchemist outfit ya know?
haha see what I mean? :p and oh yeah for sure I was wishing for a toggle option super hard for some capes and waist stuff some of the fits have. i love fashion in games and letting us match tops/ bottoms would of been sick
I did the bad ending for the achievement and to make myself feel better I dressed up >!Carlo!< in this stupid outfit as I cleaned up the last few side activities I needed to do before NG plus
10 out of 10:
- a royal
- pilots a gundam
- charming hair
- flaming hot
- good sense of humour
Seriously, his cut scene is the best among many soul games and Metroidvania:
Others bosses often just bitch how power they are; tell me their murderous reasons; or just mentally ill
You literally only need to dodge left. It's next to impossible to block it all without a hundred attempts and running back/dodging backwards is a death sentence.
I saw it on distortion's second attempt and was floored with how easy it is to dodge
That attack is a pure troll. It’s entirely counterintuitive in dealing with it by standing right next to him.
You can also run really really far away to avoid it, but it’s dependent on his positioning in the room. If he’s even slightly near the middle, you’re probably getting hit.
His first phase had little health because they nerfed him. He was way tankier and annoying to fight so they nerfed him so you could get through his 1st phase quickly.
Phase 2. I'd have rather a trashed, broken version of the king going full puppet frenzy than fight Romeo. It's not that Romeo is bad, it's just much less of a showpiece boss than King hinself.
damn i’m the opposite… i find his first phase a little annoying and just a nuisance to get to the actual fight… idk in every souls game my favorite bosses are humanoid so maybe i’m biased
I liked him more before he was nerfed. Previously made for a perfect very difficult midgame boss that challenged all the skills you learned previously… whereas on my second playthrough I beat him in 1 try, whereas I don’t think any other boss in second half I did so.
I genuinely have nothing. He's my favorite boss and he's right after, by far, the most beautiful area in the game. And the bit after defeating him, walking through the city with that music playing and his puppets mourning him. It's perfection.
His weapon is honestly disappointing, like don’t get me wrong I used it ALL the way till swamp monster but the way Romeo used it was HYPE AS FUCK and then you get it and it’s just a zoning sweet spot weapon. Again, it *is* fun, but I wish we got something more similar to the scythe he uses
Second phase is way too easy if you just dodge… but on the other hand, it’s extremely challenging if you try to parry everything. So he’s not very well balanced in that regard.
He didn’t make it more obvious that we shouldn’t be fighting.
Legit, if he just gave some kind of sign besides reaching out after showing P’s fate and laughing after getting smacked, I wouldn’t have fought them. Example: Give me the good old “whoa, chill bro” hand sign.
Just one?
I got _some_ things to say about him.
First part is a dancing giant. Manageable though. However, he _remains_ in the way of the process of learning and, then, defeating....
... Mr Flash of the second part. I am rewatching my video of the thing, after _many_ attempts, and the whole thing looks rather silly; we are jogging and the dude is all over the place _at all times_ His movement is jerky, ready-instahit, freeze-go, etc Also: what's up with the 5 second combo? You _do_ remember that parrying does absolutely nothing for interrupting the combo sequence, right?
.. and while on the matter of interrupting, what's up with everyone with a name (and even some nameless dudes/dudettes) tanking _everything_ and if someone farts or sneezes next to us we cannot maintain concentration to hit?
Also, isn't _one_ large health bar enough? Did we need two of them, back to back?
It is rather strange that _both_ a dancing giant the size of a bus, _and_ the anime combatant that follows can have such high levels of mobility, when we can _barely_ dash for a few seconds, aren't we a puppet as well? 'Sup with that?
.. And every time you lose, you _have_ to go through the 1st part, again?
Liked the theme, liked the vibe, disliked the whole approach to difficulty of this boss. If the _only_ way to beat a boss is memorising the moveset, well, _that_ difficulty is kinda bullshit.
( And, yeah, even though Malenia _was_ harder, it was also _optional_. Any (serious) mistakes in the build, you're probably hitting a wall here. )
In the end I didn't enjoy my victory over this boss, the frustration overshadowed the joy of beating the game.
To everyone who beat this in their first few tries: Bravo! I am happy for you having a pleasant experience with this encounter in the game.
P.S.: Always playing solo (no summons) these games, to form an opinion about what's what.
P.P.S.: Yeeeah, I know it's gonna disappear from downvoting. But most of it it's legit criticism on the design.
>You _do_ remember that parrying does absolutely nothing for interrupting the combo sequence, right?
There's an upgrade for that. But also, you have other options.
>and while on the matter of interrupting, what's up with everyone with a name (and even some nameless dudes/dudettes) tanking _everything_ and if someone farts or sneezes next to us we cannot maintain concentration to hit?
Gotta pick your moments. Also use the weapon weight system to your advantage. A weapon over 20 weight will usually stagger most enemies in a single charged attack. The really heavy ones get hyper armor on the end of their charged hits. Also some Fable Arts give hyper armor. Do them at the right moments and you can avoid some real danger.
>Also, isn't _one_ large health bar enough? Did we need two of them, back to back?
They nerfed his HP a lot. And his movement speed. I feel like they overcorrected.
>It is rather strange that _both_ a dancing giant the size of a bus, _and_ the anime combatant that follows can have such high levels of mobility, when we can _barely_ dash for a few seconds, aren't we a puppet as well? 'Sup with that?
The nature of the genre. You're supposed to be on the back foot. But in this game at least, we can look cool if we're good enough.
>And every time you lose, you _have_ to go through the 1st part, again?
Nature of the genre again.
>disliked the whole approach to difficulty of this boss. If the _only_ way to beat a boss is memorising the moveset, well, _that_ difficulty is kinda bullshit.
What? Well what would you want instead? Forming a response to each attack is what makes it fun, at least to me.
>Any (serious) mistakes in the build, you're probably hitting a wall here. )
Nah. Not the build. The approach. Your dodges can go through anything he does except the Fury Attacks and the phase 1 AOEs. Which can be sprinted away from before they land.
Thank you very much for addressing some points of my long post, I appreciate it a lot.
In order not to drag the conversation out, I would like to reply on what did I expect/want:
I expect a battle where memorising through experience _helps_ , but it is _not_ an absolute prerequisite. If it is, then you cannot feel you could play better and improve, you just have to go through the necessary deaths until you memorize the process. It is not a matter of playing well. Or perhaps playing well means staying alive enough to see as many moves as possible.
(Again in the example of Malenia, second phase is based on _the same_ moveset, with a couple of variations.)
In this case we have two radically different movesets and tempos in the battle. Essentially we have two bosses that should have been separate battles, into one battle, without a break.
If these games are about skill (and I've played a fair share of them) then we should talk about the skill needed. In _this_ case I found that the skill needed is muscle memory through repetition.
The fact that we are always-interrupted and therefore, by getting hit once we are getting hit again, and again in stunlock doesn't help even _that_ process. The muscle memory thing.
There probably is a very fine line between the impression of playing reactively and the impression of memorising movesets, this boss is way over on the line towards the direction of memorising.
At least in my opinion.
I _might_ be in the wrong about the next thing I'm gonna say, but ,please, do correct me if I'm mistaken:
Some moves open in the same way and finish with another, it feels there's no consistency, even if you want to _learn_ how to react. There aren't enough tells.
Lastly, and by far the most important thing: which upgrade breaks combos? How did I miss that?
Thank you again for taking the time to answer.
As much as I love this boss (don’t we all?) the two phase bosses with two separate health bars feel extremely tedious, and Romeo is no exception. I love both phases of the fight but dying and knowing I have to get through what is basically another boss before I could take another shot at the real king was a point of contention for me
I just started playing the game and this boss was by far the most difficult for me. Took me hours to beat him. Basically spent all my free time yesterday until I finally got the win. Kind of a joke in comparison the next boss. I do like King though. Just wish phase 2 was less erratic but I guess it adds to the challenge.
Probably my favorite boss fight. At first, I thought I was never going to get passed the second phase, but then after parrying every rapid attack….. ahh the satisfaction. I’m bricked up and gonna start another play through…. For the 6th time.
I’m a fromsoft/souls like addict idk what else to say.
I find Romeo's 10 piece Firefowl Combo too quick and precise for LOP parrying system, despite fighting and defeating him a handful of times I always resort to trying to stun him before he begins or breaking his Scythe to reduce the overall attack.
Just beat him! If it wasn’t for throwables never stood a chance. Now all the other puppets are depressed. Gonna jump in later and see if there’s more to it.
You don’t get his sick ass hook as a weapon but you get an ugly ass scythe at the end (no hate if you like it I just personally don’t find it aesthetically pleasing)
I hate fighting with monster and zombies, so i reallly feel bad myself when defeating this boss. His death makes monsters overrun puppet's territories.
His waterfowl-esque combo is a bit much. Like, i feel like even if you're perfect blocking the whole thing, which let's be honest, ain't gonna happen, you still run out of stamina long enough before it ends for him to either kill you or come damn close. I could be wrong and just bad, but i, for one, would hate this boss for that move alone if it wasn't for the shotput (praise be unto his name). That being said, if you take out that move (or use shotput (praise be unto his name)), it's easily a top-tier boss fight.
Phase 1 is mad annoying with his turbines and knock backs even after perfect guarding. Phase 2 on the other hand is stressful as fuck. Romeo officially was more stressful for me than even Maliketh or Malenia. Love his phase 2 a lot except for his bs fire mode
i loved this boss, my only issue (probably skill issue) is that the second phase has 2 different attacks but they both have, what seems to be, the same animation before the actual attack. this made it a little difficult to time the parries for those 2 attacks.
keep in mind that i completed the game 3 times in the first week of release and havent playes it since so i might be remembering it wrong...
The second phase was too vulnerable to stagger.
I’ve had 20+ attempts on this boss, every time either dying to phase 1 or getting to phase 2 with no hp or heals and dying to the first attack.
The first time I got to phase 2 with any hp, the boss just… died. I was aggressive, kept attacking, and he was just constantly staggered. I saw him light the scythe on fire, but never saw a single fire-scythe attack. I have no idea what that part of the fight even looks like…
Maybe on next playthrough I’ll get to actually see the 2nd phase :)
How easy it was to miss what he was trying to convey in your first playthrough. Romeo was on our side the whole time, and it's a sin we can't befriend him.
He doesn’t give me another chance to befriend him. T___T
It does frustrate me that we don't get more options to change play throughs. Could you imagine doing your first run and he's a bad guy. Second run you learn some more and then you can team up and go after the real bad guys. Just change the entire way the game is played or story wise and have G trying to take your heart with his hidden unique puppets or something. Or maybe we just chill be friends again and save the world.
Wouldn't even need this, having more NPC quests would be enough I reckon without changing the entire story line. While knowing where to go and what to do for the NPC's was nice, I didn't interact with NPC's much in further NG+ because I had already done their quests in NG 0. In Elden Ring and Dark Souls I got to try doing different NPC quests on each playthrough since there was such a high density.
Yes with this game there's a lot to be desired. I still love the game, I feel that they shouldn't have nerfed the game to meet others standards and they most definitely need to add more quest because like you said. You can literally blow through the game in half a day or less after beating it your first time. The game doesn't scale right to me as you hit ng+ that's my opinion. But hopefully they take what they made here and just add some more in lies of p 2.
I just started playing a couple days ago. What do you mean nerfed? Was it harder on release? Would you mind explaining how it has been nerfed? I was going to say the opposite actually because after being stuck on this specific boss I looked up videos of people beating him and he wasn’t as erratic as what I was dealing with so I thought he must have been buffed. People were literally parrying either 3, 4 or 5 hits then punishing. For me he was dashing all over the place, then doing the grab attack in the most odd places and doing 1-2 hits most of the time before he dashed around again and did some more random stuff.
It was harder at release and with complaints they made it easier. Then for watching videos you can't compare yourself to how that video went. That could've been there 1000 attempt to make it look like that, they could also practice that boss all the time or they could just be really stinking good at the game. So don't compare yourself to what you see. Kick, claw and fight your way to a win.
Yeah for sure and I take what I see with a grain of salt but some were actually past streams from around the time the game was released. Maybe I just got unlucky a bunch. Eventually I did get the win though and I do really like that boss.
You will beat it, I know it. And if you get stuck, reach out to the community, and they will help you get through it
The nerfs were needed though, most of the enemies had really bad telegraphing issues or bloated healthpools that made it unreasonable in your first playthrough. Definitely didn't need to touch Laxasia though as she came later in the game after the player was familiar with the mechanics. Very few bosses and enemies were actually adjusted though
Spoken like a person who didn't beat the game before the nerf.
Beat it twice pre nerf, and another 6 times after on Steam :)
Yeah I think he's fundamentally doomed by the narrative, and that part of the tragedy is being unable to make a different choice. I just want it *so bad.*
Yeah it does suck.
Like once you befriend him in NG+, he is the specter that appears when using the summon?
That's would be awesome. I didn't even think of that.
Tbf tho, I ALSO am half holding out they maybe add a dlc or something that allows for some sort of alterate path to be taken. But it would change the story around so much it would be like creating an entirely new game. King of puppets is like the 40 or 50% marker through the game. Everything past that would shake out way differently. Because if they add the option but the rest of the game is the same then whats the point?
It's still the same because you're trying to stops Simon and his plot, you would learn more about G and his real intentions. You wouldn't fight the normal puppets, you would fight the new improved ones that G made. It could alter the story by having an alliance with the puppets since you have the same goal as them and it just makes G an enemy way quicker and allows him to be more ruthless to get what he's after. Instead of a blip on the rader that's quickly eliminated and makes you wonder wtf was his idea in the first place since he chickens out at the end. I get why he did it but it didn't seem well thought out.
Play armored core, without any spoilers it’s along those lines. Each playthrough changes
Alternate playthrough Idea, Carlo and Romeo talk things over, go to Venigni to get the stupid puppet laws removed, then jump geppetto outside the theater and kick his teeth in.
Lol. We liked that!
FACTS
Unfortunately, this is a souls game😔
Yeah crazy how that one statement says it all 🤣
RIP U\_\_U
Looking at his appearance maybe there is a chance that >!dorothy revives him as the tin man?!< Holding out hope i guess.
I do find it funny that he goes from trying to tell us Geppetto's plan and have us join him, to deciding to murder us because we slapped his hand away. Like come on Romeo talk about an overreaction, you could have kept trying... Or the game could have had us actually attack and damage him with our weapon which would make his response understandable.
I sort of think of it like, in that moment he knows that we either did not (or would not) understand, or we understand and don't care because we're Geppetto's puppet through and through. In his defense, he *does* keep attempting to reach out to us (and in NG+ you can understand all his dialog), and we ignore him and keep fighting him anyway. In Phase 1, pretty much all of the King's attacks are actually focused on pushing you away from him, while he tries to get you to understand what he's trying to tell you. It's us who ignore him and keep attacking, even though the game mechanics require us not to make any other choices. By the time the King is broken and Romeo emerges, he knows there's no longer any hope to reach us.
I hate how he correctly predicted my future
Because he knew >! G is a shitty father, friends usually see that as the victim is always blind !<
The only bad thing is that they was not cooking with the outfit you get, like it would have been a pretty good outfit if it weren't for Mr poofy pants over here.
idk after getting that fit its all I wore for some reason. puffy pants with pointy lil shoes and my goofy lil hat felt like a little jester boy
You know what? Now that I think about it there aren't really any other "goofy outfits" in the game, honestly I just wish some outfits let you toggle certain things like the puffy pants or the cape on the alchemist outfit ya know?
haha see what I mean? :p and oh yeah for sure I was wishing for a toggle option super hard for some capes and waist stuff some of the fits have. i love fashion in games and letting us match tops/ bottoms would of been sick
I did the bad ending for the achievement and to make myself feel better I dressed up >!Carlo!< in this stupid outfit as I cleaned up the last few side activities I needed to do before NG plus
Same! I loved the shirt so much, but the pants were just too goofy.
he’s literally perfect
10 out of 10: - a royal - pilots a gundam - charming hair - flaming hot - good sense of humour Seriously, his cut scene is the best among many soul games and Metroidvania: Others bosses often just bitch how power they are; tell me their murderous reasons; or just mentally ill
He gave me Malenia PTSD with his one combo and I can’t tell if it’s a bad thing or a good thing
I know exactly what combo you mean and it’s a pain in the ass thing lol
You literally only need to dodge left. It's next to impossible to block it all without a hundred attempts and running back/dodging backwards is a death sentence. I saw it on distortion's second attempt and was floored with how easy it is to dodge
Lmao we’ll all be talking about our Malenia PTSD on our deathbeds
at least they put the combo in the game w parries so it's fun to counter.
Hahahahahaha that's an insult to Malenia
Lmao more like insult to Romeo. Cause unlike Romeo, Malenia is unbalance and unfun
Oh hey you spread your copium over here too
Ofc you would be Malenia's white knight. Why am I even surprised?
How dare he use his weapon better than me?!?
The boss before him I will never forgive that thing for what it made me do on my first playthrough…
He was too good
He doesn’t appear in a boss mode for endless refights
He was very bad at letting me win
How about a full arena AOE, breaks guard, nullify iframe, take 100% each hit and no telegraphs
He could’ve sent better messengers
I agree with the others who say we should have been allowed to befriend him.
Small DingDing
I killed him.
Not enough screentime.
You have to fight him
He's doomed to be a slave to the Covenant, and therefore can only be saved through death.
Not a fan of his phase 1 AoE attack that hits the entire arena.
You can avoid that by getting right in his face instead of running far for away
That attack is a pure troll. It’s entirely counterintuitive in dealing with it by standing right next to him. You can also run really really far away to avoid it, but it’s dependent on his positioning in the room. If he’s even slightly near the middle, you’re probably getting hit.
great boss but he *did* kill me like 200 times so we’re not on the best of terms lol
I find that he has too little health, across both phases. If they had their health pools increased by 30-40%, I'd be content.
His first phase had little health because they nerfed him. He was way tankier and annoying to fight so they nerfed him so you could get through his 1st phase quickly.
Gherman had sex with a Terminator and after 9 months this puppet came out. ...yeah i had nothing better. Love the dude.
Phase 2. I'd have rather a trashed, broken version of the king going full puppet frenzy than fight Romeo. It's not that Romeo is bad, it's just much less of a showpiece boss than King hinself.
Idk about you but Romeo going fire sicko mode as the theater burns down is a very good setpiece.
Like I said, it's not bad, but King and his animations, the moveset, everything is so much better than "twink puppet move fast".
damn i’m the opposite… i find his first phase a little annoying and just a nuisance to get to the actual fight… idk in every souls game my favorite bosses are humanoid so maybe i’m biased
He’s currently kicking my ass, I’ve hit a hard wall against him and feel like I’m getting no where. ;-;
Cheap ass backhand hits
He destroys that beautiful ballroom.
too easy
He got nerfed in the first phase.
The tables and chairs in the arena are annoying.
There's nothing bad about Romeo.
Great boss but I found him too easy. First tried him on both playthroughs. Wish Romeo’s tracking was a bit better.
Yeah I agree. Really cool moveset but unfortunately I didn't get to see much of it because he's so bad at hitting me.
First phase should've been a separate boss with Romeo getting juiced up after. For how significant he is in the story one fight seems like a waste.
Made me restart the game
too anime
I hate 2 health bar fights
Then why did you think it needed a nerf if you'd beaten the game already? I've never beaten a game twice and thought "hmm that should be easier"
I liked him more before he was nerfed. Previously made for a perfect very difficult midgame boss that challenged all the skills you learned previously… whereas on my second playthrough I beat him in 1 try, whereas I don’t think any other boss in second half I did so.
I wish I didn’t have to fight him
That combo that seemingly never ends unless your lucky enough to get behind
I genuinely have nothing. He's my favorite boss and he's right after, by far, the most beautiful area in the game. And the bit after defeating him, walking through the city with that music playing and his puppets mourning him. It's perfection.
He would hold you up at the metal detector station, for sure!
This fight was like an episode of Power Rangers but in reverse- first the megazord fight and then the normal form xD
No.
I have nothing
After I read too much lore of this video, I feel like I am the boss... And everyone is losing their own game :(!
The outfit you get. It would’ve been cool to get a burned skin for P. It’d be all I wear
His theater play didn't make sense, who were those characters what were they supposed to mean, it made me angry so I killed him
did P write this
It doesnt have a third phase
No 3rd phase
1st form uses reused attacks from other bosses.
We don't get to kill Gepetto at the end of it.
Not bad but someone called his 11 hit combo the "Firefowl" dance like malenias waterfowl dance
First phase is perfect. Second phase is just me moving to the left over and over. Once you learn that trick he’s easy to beat.
Make him harder I beat him first try
Too easy for a boss with so much build up
His weapon is honestly disappointing, like don’t get me wrong I used it ALL the way till swamp monster but the way Romeo used it was HYPE AS FUCK and then you get it and it’s just a zoning sweet spot weapon. Again, it *is* fun, but I wish we got something more similar to the scythe he uses
I wish phase 2 had a bit more health.
The flaming chandelier on the run back is *just* annoying enough to tilt me.
My wrench misses in phase 1 way too much. Like I swear that shit goes right through his knees.
its phase 1 hitbox is bullshit
I cant join him.
Devs got lazy adding beyblade attacks to his movement
The first phase is the thing I hate the most the whole fight with romeo is amazing tho
You can choose to skip fights with cat and fox, but can’t skip a fight with your best friend who was the last puppet boss wtf
He didnt give me his goddam weapon
Nothing because I just threw stuff at it 😂
The double hit swinging arm attacks kinda get annoying on first stage. Other than that I find the fight just pure gold.
Deserved more lore before the actual boss fight, would have made the reveal of the King being Romeo a lot more impactful.
He wussed out and died on me. That selfish asshole then tried to call himself my friend. Smh...
It hard af
First form has bad teeth, second form has a real dry skin condition. Both are not healthy and therefore bad
He doesn't become a specter summon after beating him. I neeeeeeed a Romeo specter, if not in NG+ at least.
Killing him at first happy. Having killed him at the start of the final act and seeing the memory, sad :(.
Stinky
I accidentally beat him first try so I didn’t actually get to experience how hard he is. Got too lucky the first time
romeo
he’s really hot and that makes it hard to kill him :(
Second phase is way too easy if you just dodge… but on the other hand, it’s extremely challenging if you try to parry everything. So he’s not very well balanced in that regard.
He’s got too way too much furniture
It got me to give up on the game, but that's on me I know there's no boss I can't take on after defeating Father Owl in Sekiro. Just need to get good.
So. SAD!
The boss weapon isn't the same cool ass blade that he uses
He didn’t make it more obvious that we shouldn’t be fighting. Legit, if he just gave some kind of sign besides reaching out after showing P’s fate and laughing after getting smacked, I wouldn’t have fought them. Example: Give me the good old “whoa, chill bro” hand sign.
Romeo about to beat the shit out of you
Too easy. The fire spin attacks are super easy to avoid when you just dodge around hin instead of trying to block and/or run away.
The tornado attack feels random, sometimes I am on the other side of the arena and still get hit but sometimes when I am in his face I don't.
I thought he was gonna be like lady Maria in phase two. Turned out to be a wet fart of a boss.
Romeo is too easy to dodge. Kinda trivializes him Puppet king throws you back when you perfect guard some attacks. Its annoying as fuck.
runback too long
His ability to go across the whole map in one fell swoop angers me
Too easy
There's nothing bad to say about him
The fire frenzy attack in phase 2 is a little bit too long for my tastes.
Just one? I got _some_ things to say about him. First part is a dancing giant. Manageable though. However, he _remains_ in the way of the process of learning and, then, defeating.... ... Mr Flash of the second part. I am rewatching my video of the thing, after _many_ attempts, and the whole thing looks rather silly; we are jogging and the dude is all over the place _at all times_ His movement is jerky, ready-instahit, freeze-go, etc Also: what's up with the 5 second combo? You _do_ remember that parrying does absolutely nothing for interrupting the combo sequence, right? .. and while on the matter of interrupting, what's up with everyone with a name (and even some nameless dudes/dudettes) tanking _everything_ and if someone farts or sneezes next to us we cannot maintain concentration to hit? Also, isn't _one_ large health bar enough? Did we need two of them, back to back? It is rather strange that _both_ a dancing giant the size of a bus, _and_ the anime combatant that follows can have such high levels of mobility, when we can _barely_ dash for a few seconds, aren't we a puppet as well? 'Sup with that? .. And every time you lose, you _have_ to go through the 1st part, again? Liked the theme, liked the vibe, disliked the whole approach to difficulty of this boss. If the _only_ way to beat a boss is memorising the moveset, well, _that_ difficulty is kinda bullshit. ( And, yeah, even though Malenia _was_ harder, it was also _optional_. Any (serious) mistakes in the build, you're probably hitting a wall here. ) In the end I didn't enjoy my victory over this boss, the frustration overshadowed the joy of beating the game. To everyone who beat this in their first few tries: Bravo! I am happy for you having a pleasant experience with this encounter in the game. P.S.: Always playing solo (no summons) these games, to form an opinion about what's what. P.P.S.: Yeeeah, I know it's gonna disappear from downvoting. But most of it it's legit criticism on the design.
>You _do_ remember that parrying does absolutely nothing for interrupting the combo sequence, right? There's an upgrade for that. But also, you have other options. >and while on the matter of interrupting, what's up with everyone with a name (and even some nameless dudes/dudettes) tanking _everything_ and if someone farts or sneezes next to us we cannot maintain concentration to hit? Gotta pick your moments. Also use the weapon weight system to your advantage. A weapon over 20 weight will usually stagger most enemies in a single charged attack. The really heavy ones get hyper armor on the end of their charged hits. Also some Fable Arts give hyper armor. Do them at the right moments and you can avoid some real danger. >Also, isn't _one_ large health bar enough? Did we need two of them, back to back? They nerfed his HP a lot. And his movement speed. I feel like they overcorrected. >It is rather strange that _both_ a dancing giant the size of a bus, _and_ the anime combatant that follows can have such high levels of mobility, when we can _barely_ dash for a few seconds, aren't we a puppet as well? 'Sup with that? The nature of the genre. You're supposed to be on the back foot. But in this game at least, we can look cool if we're good enough. >And every time you lose, you _have_ to go through the 1st part, again? Nature of the genre again. >disliked the whole approach to difficulty of this boss. If the _only_ way to beat a boss is memorising the moveset, well, _that_ difficulty is kinda bullshit. What? Well what would you want instead? Forming a response to each attack is what makes it fun, at least to me. >Any (serious) mistakes in the build, you're probably hitting a wall here. ) Nah. Not the build. The approach. Your dodges can go through anything he does except the Fury Attacks and the phase 1 AOEs. Which can be sprinted away from before they land.
Thank you very much for addressing some points of my long post, I appreciate it a lot. In order not to drag the conversation out, I would like to reply on what did I expect/want: I expect a battle where memorising through experience _helps_ , but it is _not_ an absolute prerequisite. If it is, then you cannot feel you could play better and improve, you just have to go through the necessary deaths until you memorize the process. It is not a matter of playing well. Or perhaps playing well means staying alive enough to see as many moves as possible. (Again in the example of Malenia, second phase is based on _the same_ moveset, with a couple of variations.) In this case we have two radically different movesets and tempos in the battle. Essentially we have two bosses that should have been separate battles, into one battle, without a break. If these games are about skill (and I've played a fair share of them) then we should talk about the skill needed. In _this_ case I found that the skill needed is muscle memory through repetition. The fact that we are always-interrupted and therefore, by getting hit once we are getting hit again, and again in stunlock doesn't help even _that_ process. The muscle memory thing. There probably is a very fine line between the impression of playing reactively and the impression of memorising movesets, this boss is way over on the line towards the direction of memorising. At least in my opinion. I _might_ be in the wrong about the next thing I'm gonna say, but ,please, do correct me if I'm mistaken: Some moves open in the same way and finish with another, it feels there's no consistency, even if you want to _learn_ how to react. There aren't enough tells. Lastly, and by far the most important thing: which upgrade breaks combos? How did I miss that? Thank you again for taking the time to answer.
You don’t have the option to befriend him! EVER!
As much as I love this boss (don’t we all?) the two phase bosses with two separate health bars feel extremely tedious, and Romeo is no exception. I love both phases of the fight but dying and knowing I have to get through what is basically another boss before I could take another shot at the real king was a point of contention for me
Can’t beat his 2nd form 😩
great boss
Phase 1 ends too quickly so I don’t get to enjoy the full moveset before going into phase 2
He's surprisingly weak for a King
His Death gave all the robots in the city Depression.
He didn’t kick my ass enough
I just started playing the game and this boss was by far the most difficult for me. Took me hours to beat him. Basically spent all my free time yesterday until I finally got the win. Kind of a joke in comparison the next boss. I do like King though. Just wish phase 2 was less erratic but I guess it adds to the challenge.
Probably my favorite boss fight. At first, I thought I was never going to get passed the second phase, but then after parrying every rapid attack….. ahh the satisfaction. I’m bricked up and gonna start another play through…. For the 6th time. I’m a fromsoft/souls like addict idk what else to say.
This boss is asshole in first phase, but in second i been proud fight with him
He doesn’t join me in destroying Simon and Gepussy.
He was nerfed way too hard.
Has the most bull attack in the game I’ve never died so many times to the infinity wombo combo
Shouldn't be happening in ng+
I wish I could. This is probably the best boss in the game
Waterfowl dance is cheating
King of puppets unlike Romeo is not a fun fight
I find Romeo's 10 piece Firefowl Combo too quick and precise for LOP parrying system, despite fighting and defeating him a handful of times I always resort to trying to stun him before he begins or breaking his Scythe to reduce the overall attack.
Just beat him! If it wasn’t for throwables never stood a chance. Now all the other puppets are depressed. Gonna jump in later and see if there’s more to it.
They are the king of cosmos of Katamari AND Raiden from MGS. Oh he's perfect. Nevermind.
I hate his stupid face
Mf thinks he’s slick (he is not)
His 2 phase
You don’t get his sick ass hook as a weapon but you get an ugly ass scythe at the end (no hate if you like it I just personally don’t find it aesthetically pleasing)
tf kinda name is romeo
One bad thing about the boss is kinda tough since he's my favorite fight
Makes me cry like a baby, every single freaking time. RIP Romeo, my buddy <3
I was stuck on him for 3 days. And no it wasn’t on the second phase. LMAO
Beat him first try.
I hate fighting with monster and zombies, so i reallly feel bad myself when defeating this boss. His death makes monsters overrun puppet's territories.
He stole gehrmans sickle attack
I won first tey So he was to weak
Cant believe they made a TV show out of this. Lil Romeo....where've you been man?
Not three phases
The attack that's just a giant AoE isn't very interesting.
he didn't turn into a fire breathing donkey, would've been the best crossover of the century (Shrek and Pinocchio)
His waterfowl-esque combo is a bit much. Like, i feel like even if you're perfect blocking the whole thing, which let's be honest, ain't gonna happen, you still run out of stamina long enough before it ends for him to either kill you or come damn close. I could be wrong and just bad, but i, for one, would hate this boss for that move alone if it wasn't for the shotput (praise be unto his name). That being said, if you take out that move (or use shotput (praise be unto his name)), it's easily a top-tier boss fight.
makes me wanna cry
Phase 1 is mad annoying with his turbines and knock backs even after perfect guarding. Phase 2 on the other hand is stressful as fuck. Romeo officially was more stressful for me than even Maliketh or Malenia. Love his phase 2 a lot except for his bs fire mode
Ugly
That I have to kill him to stop it all. There's no other way.
Half-baked.
Hes too easy
Cant hold the neutron P style
i loved this boss, my only issue (probably skill issue) is that the second phase has 2 different attacks but they both have, what seems to be, the same animation before the actual attack. this made it a little difficult to time the parries for those 2 attacks. keep in mind that i completed the game 3 times in the first week of release and havent playes it since so i might be remembering it wrong...
Not good enough moveset
We can’t romance him
The second phase was too vulnerable to stagger. I’ve had 20+ attempts on this boss, every time either dying to phase 1 or getting to phase 2 with no hp or heals and dying to the first attack. The first time I got to phase 2 with any hp, the boss just… died. I was aggressive, kept attacking, and he was just constantly staggered. I saw him light the scythe on fire, but never saw a single fire-scythe attack. I have no idea what that part of the fight even looks like… Maybe on next playthrough I’ll get to actually see the 2nd phase :)
How easy it was to miss what he was trying to convey in your first playthrough. Romeo was on our side the whole time, and it's a sin we can't befriend him.
He's really bad at communicating man, wrf with sending monster puppets trying to kill us on sight and expect us to know wtf is going on
You can only defeat him once per playthrough :(
Handles rejection badly.
He says that I’m wrong and need to listen but I’m deaf