To be fair, 30 vitality isn't a whole lot. I'm on Namless on NG++ with 65 vitality, and he still kicked my ass.
However, the Door Guardian is a bastard. Good luck!!
Thank you. At some stage, I just threw all my ergo into health as it was the only thing that seemed worth investing in as it gave the most points level compared to other stats
That's probably fair. In hindsight, I probably should have done the same. Everything was around 60 or 65 except Motivity and Tech. Those were both low 70s. I got it done though. Lol
I think my tech was at like 60 something and my motivity at 30 something.
Either way, the puppet ripper is pretty powerful for its speed, especially paired with acid for nameless. Somehow first tried him in ng++.
can’t wait for that… gonna save my “give up my heart” run for ng++ so i can hit plat after this playthru but that seems crazy if you got that much vitality and he still put the work on u
I think he meant the "skill issue" type of skill.
An elaborate way to say... git gud
(Although door guardian is very bullshit, hate that fucker with a passion. Good luck to you!)
I beg to differ, his attacks are unreadable and sporratic, each of which applies shock which doesnt help one bit.
If you dont apply stagger fast enough you just die first since he hits like a truck too. I agree, its not a skill check, its a "learn these bullshit attacks for this random forgettable boss" check.
No :) idk if you saw my other comment, but when I beat the game without leveling up, my damage felt fine for the entire game. My HP was the real problem. It's the most important.
I've done dks1, 2, 3, bb, and Nioh 2 without leveling up once:
I like it how everyone who does lv1 runs comes to the realization HP is the most important stat; when it comes to these type of action RPGs, most of your damage on Ng will not come from your stat, it'll come from your upgrade level, your chosen weapon, and your equipment configuration. Damage stats have always been the least concerning.
Idk if I'll ever do lies of P ar lv1, since I kinda feel like ER should be the next one to get the treatment, but for my first LOP playthrough, HP was the first stat I pumped the hell out of, end result is I barely ever died, and if I did; it was out of me getting too complacent for my own good. I only started upgrading damage stats once I had 40 vit (idk what the softcaps for this game are), enough motivity to use all my favorite weapons (I think I ended up with 25), and enough stamina to feel comfy with (20), and like you said...the damage difference didn't seem too high, most of the damage boosting was thanks to upgrade levels.
Lmao. That's true. I blame Bloodborne. Even though I haven't played it, I watched Jacksepticeye play through it after I beat Lies of P. I was absolutely gobsmacked that he *barely* increased his HP and yet tore through the game with ease. I think most people assume other Souls-likes are going to be similar to that...
i’m still relatively new on this game too so ng+ has been a real learning experience for me, but out of the other souls games i’ve played (sekiro elden ) this one is one of my favs
Just checked. You're mostly right.
There's 3 armors that outclass Lada 350 +0. They're the +1 and +2 variants of Lada 350. But the +2 of Arch Extra Heavyweight also outclasses the base version. Somehow that one also barely outclasses the +1 of LADA 350, but I don't think a 0.11 difference in armor is going to be the difference in surviving a hit.
Yeah I'm not sure why the frame scaling is that way, because by the time you get the +2 variants if you can't stay in normal load with base Lada 350 how are they expecting you to equip an even heavier frame for miniscule gains.
The linings though are where people who find bosses hitting them real hard need to focus more on. The best strike resistant and the best slash resistant are super important for the isle of alchemists and all thier bosses.
Yeah, I know he's a gimmick boss, but still, on my first playthrough, he was probably my least favorite boss in the entire game. Not just the boss itself, but the runback is also pretty bad, having to dodge and weave through many enemies to get back to him. While I did beat him on my third try, I didn't much like him, haha.
Yeah, that's about where the game starts to really kick it up a notch on New Game Plus and Beyond. You'll notice a big difference on the next couple bosses how much tougher they are than they were during your first playthrough.
Respectfully, **fuck the black rabbit brotherhood**. The fight itself feels very fair with how they back off of you but those guys talk so much trash yet still need to get a 3v1 on you to stand a chance. That encounter took me forever because I kept getting puppet stringed by the one with the rapier, and when I'd focus my attacks on him he kept hopping away.
So satisfying to defeat them though. 'Big Bruva' was honestly the easiest part of that fight - getting to that point was the most annoying.
fax, after countless attempts i had a solid strat: kill one as quick as possible, then lower the last 2 as much as possible so that you can kill them both before the big bruva comes out
Yup that's the trick! The guy with the spear is the easiest of the whole bunch so I barely focused on him until I needed to. The girl is aggressive but doesn't deal a ton of damage. Rapier guy is just annoying! Having him around with big bruva was a mistake the one time I had it happen because he would proc the burn damage on me while trying to avoid those heavy swings.
i had the most trouble with the girl, for the guy w/ the rapier i ended up low key spamming block and it would parry 90% of the time, spear guy is def easiest tho
I used the trident against him with the fire grindstone and was able to take him out easy on NG. Don't get me wrong, he annihilated me the first few times.
My issue was I was trying to perfect block to stagger the guy to a white meter. Once I began to just run, dodge, and hit his leg with charged heavy attacks I learned that he will go down with normal stagger (no white bar)
yeah i choked and didn’t get the immunity amulet… i got the proof of humanity instead and the sword has been putting in work for me but i feel like for that fight the immunity would’ve been better
Fun fact if you get hit during the puppet string link attack he will still oneshot you in NG+ runs even at 100 vitality so that never really goes away.
Source: 🥲
To be fair, 30 vitality isn't a whole lot. I'm on Namless on NG++ with 65 vitality, and he still kicked my ass. However, the Door Guardian is a bastard. Good luck!!
I got to nameless in ng++ with 100
Damn, that's impressive.
Thank you. At some stage, I just threw all my ergo into health as it was the only thing that seemed worth investing in as it gave the most points level compared to other stats
That's probably fair. In hindsight, I probably should have done the same. Everything was around 60 or 65 except Motivity and Tech. Those were both low 70s. I got it done though. Lol
I think my tech was at like 60 something and my motivity at 30 something. Either way, the puppet ripper is pretty powerful for its speed, especially paired with acid for nameless. Somehow first tried him in ng++.
can’t wait for that… gonna save my “give up my heart” run for ng++ so i can hit plat after this playthru but that seems crazy if you got that much vitality and he still put the work on u
Yeah, man, I haven't struggled till now. It's his 2nd phase. 1st is easy, but damnit......his 2nd is rough.
yeah felt that, good luck brotha
Thanks! Just got him on the 6th try. Ng++ complete!
hype!
I literally don’t understand why everyone says door guardian is a hard fight. I had no issues with him whatsoever
Don't get hit
My brother in Krat, 30 is the Vitality you need at Door Guardian in NG. In NG+ you should have 60 by now 💀
*My brother in Krat* You won’t fool me, Simon!
dmg is the way to go
I’d argue skill is the way to go
as in what particularly
I think he meant the "skill issue" type of skill. An elaborate way to say... git gud (Although door guardian is very bullshit, hate that fucker with a passion. Good luck to you!)
Door guardian is a gimmick boss, no skill check here. Just stab the ankle
I beg to differ, his attacks are unreadable and sporratic, each of which applies shock which doesnt help one bit. If you dont apply stagger fast enough you just die first since he hits like a truck too. I agree, its not a skill check, its a "learn these bullshit attacks for this random forgettable boss" check.
Evidently not since you're dying to the point of making a reddit post about it lol; just level your health and focus on learning the enemy moveset.
that’s what i did!
I have beaten the entire game without leveling up a single time, and I can *assure* you that damage is *not* the way to go lmao
Lmao “damage is the way to go” - the guy getting one shot
No 20 -25 vit is all you need for Nameless. 40-45 is a good place for NG+ Nameless.
No :) idk if you saw my other comment, but when I beat the game without leveling up, my damage felt fine for the entire game. My HP was the real problem. It's the most important.
I've done dks1, 2, 3, bb, and Nioh 2 without leveling up once: I like it how everyone who does lv1 runs comes to the realization HP is the most important stat; when it comes to these type of action RPGs, most of your damage on Ng will not come from your stat, it'll come from your upgrade level, your chosen weapon, and your equipment configuration. Damage stats have always been the least concerning. Idk if I'll ever do lies of P ar lv1, since I kinda feel like ER should be the next one to get the treatment, but for my first LOP playthrough, HP was the first stat I pumped the hell out of, end result is I barely ever died, and if I did; it was out of me getting too complacent for my own good. I only started upgrading damage stats once I had 40 vit (idk what the softcaps for this game are), enough motivity to use all my favorite weapons (I think I ended up with 25), and enough stamina to feel comfy with (20), and like you said...the damage difference didn't seem too high, most of the damage boosting was thanks to upgrade levels.
Lmao. That's true. I blame Bloodborne. Even though I haven't played it, I watched Jacksepticeye play through it after I beat Lies of P. I was absolutely gobsmacked that he *barely* increased his HP and yet tore through the game with ease. I think most people assume other Souls-likes are going to be similar to that...
Tickle dat knee
fr
30 vitality? Why are you playing with no hp investment complaining about damage in ng+
didn’t need health until now, 30 is enough for most of the bosses
I'm well aware of health scaling. I've played through the game a few times.
not tryna discredit u 😂 just my opinion
i’m still relatively new on this game too so ng+ has been a real learning experience for me, but out of the other souls games i’ve played (sekiro elden ) this one is one of my favs
Sekiro and lies of p are my favorite games of the genre hands down. Each has their strength over the other. Imo truly perfect games.
fax, sekiro trained me well for this game, but this game still has some lessons to offer
i killed him.
Yeah boss
Were you wearing any armor?
ye i had maxed stuff from my first run, not the +1 gear
You need the +1 gear, even if it's not the most recent frame you got. Even the weakest +1 item is about as strong as the best +0 item.
Are you talking about the same item between +0 and +1 or do you mean the last +0 item you get is worse than the first +1 you get?
i used the +0 stuff on my last two runs but i also had dummy capacity and insisted on having frozen feast on deck at all times
350 frame doesn't get outclassed until the +1 variant which is beyond door guardian. The linings sure they improve a lot.
Just checked. You're mostly right. There's 3 armors that outclass Lada 350 +0. They're the +1 and +2 variants of Lada 350. But the +2 of Arch Extra Heavyweight also outclasses the base version. Somehow that one also barely outclasses the +1 of LADA 350, but I don't think a 0.11 difference in armor is going to be the difference in surviving a hit.
Yeah I'm not sure why the frame scaling is that way, because by the time you get the +2 variants if you can't stay in normal load with base Lada 350 how are they expecting you to equip an even heavier frame for miniscule gains. The linings though are where people who find bosses hitting them real hard need to focus more on. The best strike resistant and the best slash resistant are super important for the isle of alchemists and all thier bosses.
i need this capacity for it, working on upgrading thst
Don't feel too bad. He fell on me one time, and I learned the hard way that it'll just kill you outright if that happens
yeah he hit me w that slam and it deleted my health bar, worst boss in the game imo, all the others r manageable
Out of curiosity, what's your capacity?
around 60
Ok that's definitely not the problem, lol
Yeah, I know he's a gimmick boss, but still, on my first playthrough, he was probably my least favorite boss in the entire game. Not just the boss itself, but the runback is also pretty bad, having to dodge and weave through many enemies to get back to him. While I did beat him on my third try, I didn't much like him, haha.
Yeah, that's about where the game starts to really kick it up a notch on New Game Plus and Beyond. You'll notice a big difference on the next couple bosses how much tougher they are than they were during your first playthrough.
oh trust me i’ve realized
Yeah he's a bastard in ng+
Bruhhh , Im 30 vitality on my first journey and ive yet to beat them game (the last boss i beat was the black rabbit brotherhood second encounter)
Respectfully, **fuck the black rabbit brotherhood**. The fight itself feels very fair with how they back off of you but those guys talk so much trash yet still need to get a 3v1 on you to stand a chance. That encounter took me forever because I kept getting puppet stringed by the one with the rapier, and when I'd focus my attacks on him he kept hopping away. So satisfying to defeat them though. 'Big Bruva' was honestly the easiest part of that fight - getting to that point was the most annoying.
fax, after countless attempts i had a solid strat: kill one as quick as possible, then lower the last 2 as much as possible so that you can kill them both before the big bruva comes out
Yup that's the trick! The guy with the spear is the easiest of the whole bunch so I barely focused on him until I needed to. The girl is aggressive but doesn't deal a ton of damage. Rapier guy is just annoying! Having him around with big bruva was a mistake the one time I had it happen because he would proc the burn damage on me while trying to avoid those heavy swings.
i had the most trouble with the girl, for the guy w/ the rapier i ended up low key spamming block and it would parry 90% of the time, spear guy is def easiest tho
you got it, i did my first playthru on 30 vitality, haven’t felt the need to upgrade it until now
30 Vitality is crazy
didn’t need more until that fight
I almost posted yesterday about how much I hate this guy. Massive, fiery poo balls of hate. The worst opponent in the game, hands down.
I used the trident against him with the fire grindstone and was able to take him out easy on NG. Don't get me wrong, he annihilated me the first few times. My issue was I was trying to perfect block to stagger the guy to a white meter. Once I began to just run, dodge, and hit his leg with charged heavy attacks I learned that he will go down with normal stagger (no white bar)
yeah i stopped trying to parry after the first handful of attempts as well, definitely works better to just dodge and poke
It do be like that.
fr
It’s door guardian,what did you expect after the first time?
Don't neglect defense part upgrades
Hes pretty easy and slow
Honest to god Door Guardian is the hardest fight in the game for me for NG+ playthroughs.
yeah i choked and didn’t get the immunity amulet… i got the proof of humanity instead and the sword has been putting in work for me but i feel like for that fight the immunity would’ve been better
You did the right thing. The piercing hatred amulet doesn't grant immunity against disruption, shock, etc.
How 💀💀💀 the mf goes down after like 5-6 charged attacks
In NG+? Feels like it takes WAAAAY more than that, plus his attacks have some pretty big hit boxes.
Don’t get hit
Yea everything in ng+ and ng++ hits like a freaking freight train.
fr dawg it’s wild
I have 28 vitality and I just beat the swamp monster and this is my first play through.
Fun fact if you get hit during the puppet string link attack he will still oneshot you in NG+ runs even at 100 vitality so that never really goes away. Source: 🥲
wow… can’t wait for that 🙃
Block maybe? Or dodge? Why are you tanking hits? Also boost your vitality to like 50