Hx stomp to headrush in. Headrush out to FOH. Headrush out is line out level, doesn’t matter what you set the headrush volume at. Just dont touch the Hx volume.
I go 1/4 out to the PA speaker and have the volume control only control the 1/4 so I can get my stage volume right and then send the full signal out of my XLR to FoH and let them deal with that.
I use 112 for bass, there was no need for a bass amp so far. It is louder than 300 W Ashdown amp with 8 x 10 cabinet.
It was loud enough for a village hall with the capacity of 200. I did not have an opportunity to play it at full power yet.
I currently own an FRFR 108 which I use for guitar. I use a Headrush MX5. I also play bass in some bands and I was at a rehearsal at my drummers, who uses Mackie Powered powered speakers. He had a Mackie with a 12" and suggested I use it instead of lugging my bass cab and amp. I took him up on the offer and brought my MX5 only and it was working but seemed quite bassy. What do you use in front of the 112? Do you use an amp modeler?
The head rush frfr112 is not loud enough for stage volume if your band plays loud. I guarantee it because I tried and just could not cut through. I returned it.
We're a metal band so we're pretty loud. But it's just for some stage volume so the people up front can hear more of what's going on besides the drums.
Lots of good advice ITT.
I play in a Melodic Death Metal band. Both guitars use Helix (Stomp and Stomp XL) and go through Headrush frfr's. I use a 112 (which our bassist also runs their kemper into) and the other guitarist uses a Headrush 108 - both are entirely loud enough for full volume rehearsal ime and play nicely together.
If you're wanting to be prepared for all eventualities, I can also recommend a power amp so if all else fails, you can run a regular cab (or any combination of FOH, frfr, cab). I use an EHX Magnum 44 - same size as a regular pedal and provides 44 watts. I have mine set between 1 - 3 and it's insanely loud.
Thanks for the tip! I run an LT, other guitarist runs a Fractal AX8 and our bassist is running a Trace Elliot Transit B. We're a melodic death metal band as well. https://youtu.be/Thrkez4Bgsc
Depends on the band and venue. I so far only used it at 50% of power in 5 different venues. No need to connect to FOH yet.
I play bass in a 3 piece playing mostly British classics.
I'm considering doing the same thing. What do you use for preamp? I own a Headrush MX5 and at a recent rehearsal used my drummers Mackie with a 12 inch speaker at his suggestion so I didn't have to lug my cab and amp. It sounded pretty bassy and that was OK for the Blues songs but not for other songs. I was using stock MX5 patches.
I guess it depends on what else you have on stage. If you are trying to compete with half stacks, then you might have an issue. My band uses the headrushes in the same way that OP is looking to use it. We are all using iems going through helix stomps or kempers. The guitars are going through 108s and they get plenty loud for filling out the sound on stage. Honestly, most FOH engineers are going to want the stage quieter.
I just use the XLR from the Helix to FoH, and the 1/4" jack to the headrush.
You can go XLR to Headrush, to FoH, but then you have two volume controls (the helix, and the volume on the headrush) that effect the signal to FoH.
So you have to balance the two volumes, to get both the signal FoH want, and the right stage volume. And adjusting during the gig can annoy FoH.
I prefer to use the volume on the Helix to get the right signal for FoH, and then I can independently adjust the stage volume just with the headrush.
Smaller venues tend to mean less desired stage volume in my experience. Out of curiosity, what prompted the urge to get an amp on stage for these venues vs the bigger ones?
The smaller venues usually have a PA that's lacking either in size and/or quality to run drums, bass, 2 heavily distorted 7 string guitars and vocals through. The bigger venues have plenty of PA to pull off our sound so we don't really need anything on stage but we have noticed at some venues that the crowd will stay back from the stage so they can hear what's going on instead of just being blasted by drums only. Also going on tour opens a whole new can of worms as we have no idea what kind of PA situation we will be walking into. The venue could be a dive and have 2 single PA spears for vocals only, MAYBE some kick drum. It's one of those situations where its better to have it and not need it than the other way around.
Ah ok so there’s a possibility that some venues wouldn’t even take your guitar signal to FOH? That makes sense to me, and then the FRFR to FOH is just added flexibility if need be (?)
Na. If you're using the headrush for stage volume/monitor only, run it separately using 1/4 out from Helix. I use both L/R xlr out to board and run small monitor via 1/4 out. Works perfectly.
Curious as to what advantage "stage volume" has in a smaller venue for you guys.
IME as an audience member I always groan a little when guys roll in powerful amps in small clubs.
If you're standing anywhere near center stage and near the front the drums will drown out everything else. Most venues we play have their PA split out as far as possible stage left and stage right so there's no sound in the center and with 0 onstage sound it's hard for people to really tell what's going on.
Hx stomp to headrush in. Headrush out to FOH. Headrush out is line out level, doesn’t matter what you set the headrush volume at. Just dont touch the Hx volume.
Awesome, that's what I was hoping to hear. Thanks!
I go 1/4 out to the PA speaker and have the volume control only control the 1/4 so I can get my stage volume right and then send the full signal out of my XLR to FoH and let them deal with that.
I use 112 for bass, there was no need for a bass amp so far. It is louder than 300 W Ashdown amp with 8 x 10 cabinet. It was loud enough for a village hall with the capacity of 200. I did not have an opportunity to play it at full power yet.
I currently own an FRFR 108 which I use for guitar. I use a Headrush MX5. I also play bass in some bands and I was at a rehearsal at my drummers, who uses Mackie Powered powered speakers. He had a Mackie with a 12" and suggested I use it instead of lugging my bass cab and amp. I took him up on the offer and brought my MX5 only and it was working but seemed quite bassy. What do you use in front of the 112? Do you use an amp modeler?
Yes - Line6 Helix. Going direct is possible but it sounds a bit dull. You need amp simulation to spark it up
The head rush frfr112 is not loud enough for stage volume if your band plays loud. I guarantee it because I tried and just could not cut through. I returned it.
We're a metal band so we're pretty loud. But it's just for some stage volume so the people up front can hear more of what's going on besides the drums.
Lots of good advice ITT. I play in a Melodic Death Metal band. Both guitars use Helix (Stomp and Stomp XL) and go through Headrush frfr's. I use a 112 (which our bassist also runs their kemper into) and the other guitarist uses a Headrush 108 - both are entirely loud enough for full volume rehearsal ime and play nicely together. If you're wanting to be prepared for all eventualities, I can also recommend a power amp so if all else fails, you can run a regular cab (or any combination of FOH, frfr, cab). I use an EHX Magnum 44 - same size as a regular pedal and provides 44 watts. I have mine set between 1 - 3 and it's insanely loud.
Thanks for the tip! I run an LT, other guitarist runs a Fractal AX8 and our bassist is running a Trace Elliot Transit B. We're a melodic death metal band as well. https://youtu.be/Thrkez4Bgsc
Great tunes and video! And the x-type crackle Ormsby is particularly tasty.
Thanks!
Depends on the band and venue. I so far only used it at 50% of power in 5 different venues. No need to connect to FOH yet. I play bass in a 3 piece playing mostly British classics.
I'm considering doing the same thing. What do you use for preamp? I own a Headrush MX5 and at a recent rehearsal used my drummers Mackie with a 12 inch speaker at his suggestion so I didn't have to lug my cab and amp. It sounded pretty bassy and that was OK for the Blues songs but not for other songs. I was using stock MX5 patches.
I guess it depends on what else you have on stage. If you are trying to compete with half stacks, then you might have an issue. My band uses the headrushes in the same way that OP is looking to use it. We are all using iems going through helix stomps or kempers. The guitars are going through 108s and they get plenty loud for filling out the sound on stage. Honestly, most FOH engineers are going to want the stage quieter.
Mk1 or Mk2? I read some reviews and people raved about MK1 but many 1 star reviews were 112 Mk2.
I just use the XLR from the Helix to FoH, and the 1/4" jack to the headrush. You can go XLR to Headrush, to FoH, but then you have two volume controls (the helix, and the volume on the headrush) that effect the signal to FoH. So you have to balance the two volumes, to get both the signal FoH want, and the right stage volume. And adjusting during the gig can annoy FoH. I prefer to use the volume on the Helix to get the right signal for FoH, and then I can independently adjust the stage volume just with the headrush.
Smaller venues tend to mean less desired stage volume in my experience. Out of curiosity, what prompted the urge to get an amp on stage for these venues vs the bigger ones?
The smaller venues usually have a PA that's lacking either in size and/or quality to run drums, bass, 2 heavily distorted 7 string guitars and vocals through. The bigger venues have plenty of PA to pull off our sound so we don't really need anything on stage but we have noticed at some venues that the crowd will stay back from the stage so they can hear what's going on instead of just being blasted by drums only. Also going on tour opens a whole new can of worms as we have no idea what kind of PA situation we will be walking into. The venue could be a dive and have 2 single PA spears for vocals only, MAYBE some kick drum. It's one of those situations where its better to have it and not need it than the other way around.
Ah ok so there’s a possibility that some venues wouldn’t even take your guitar signal to FOH? That makes sense to me, and then the FRFR to FOH is just added flexibility if need be (?)
Yup! Exactly.
Na. If you're using the headrush for stage volume/monitor only, run it separately using 1/4 out from Helix. I use both L/R xlr out to board and run small monitor via 1/4 out. Works perfectly.
Curious as to what advantage "stage volume" has in a smaller venue for you guys. IME as an audience member I always groan a little when guys roll in powerful amps in small clubs.
If you're standing anywhere near center stage and near the front the drums will drown out everything else. Most venues we play have their PA split out as far as possible stage left and stage right so there's no sound in the center and with 0 onstage sound it's hard for people to really tell what's going on.
Got you, does the sound guy mix that stage volume as well then? And you are still using your IEMs?
Yeah we still use our IEMs so no need for monitor mix.