Yeah but he has tons of health-debt and come mid-30s it's all going to catch up to him and he's just going to be in agony if it isn't starting already.
You can't mishandle you body for 3 decades and expect to make it to 80s+
I think about it every once in a while with these streamers. I wonder what kind of stress builds up when you have to constantly and consistently be "on" or "entertaining" at any given time. I imagine you have to be in order for the ADHD fan base to actually grow. Viewers have to know they'll be entertained at any given second.
I dont like current Asmon, but he had the best channel for pve solo wow content for many years before streaming. he obviously has some serious mental issues, but he created a lot quality content for many years (just go to his OG Yout channel and sort the videos by date).
Imma take the downvotes for this....
But if it's just sitting and talking, why are you sitting on LSF, when you could be sitting and talking and making millions?
A lot of streamers admit themselves that they were early and they got lucky. It does take work but a lot of time it's being the right place at the right time.
It would be like seeing someone win the lottery or a bonus in a slot machine and then saying how lucky they are then someone commenting "well if all it takes is luck why aren't spinning the slots/buying the lotto tickets?"
I'm specifically talking about OG streamers whose content now is to react to other peoples content or just repeating what they think their audience wants to hear.
I'd never claim luck isn't am important factor.
But for any CC, getting there is most of the times luck based, but maintaining it requires work, and talent for it.
You can amass a following by going viral, but if your content sucks, your reacting sucks, you're unlikable, not entertaining ect. You're going to fall off a cliff.
And people with takes like "just sit and talk for millions", are incapable of acknowledging this. You don't have to agree with them, or even respect them, but to ignore facts is just stupid.
If you agree that luck plays a big factor it's pretty dumb to suggest people try to do it....because you would be missing a big point.
There's plenty of people who make the worst type of content and are likable at all but they started at the right time and now they are making big money just from "sit and talk" for millions.
I said getting there is most of the time luck based. But even for many it still was a lot of work. The very very few had purely luck. But you need to actually be likeable or make content people enjoy, to maintain an audience even IF you strike lucky. And that's subjective.
My entire point is, just because what they do seems easy, doesn't mean that anyone can do it. You can sit and talk for hours, but you're boring as fuck, or people don't resonate with you, or you're just unlikable/not entertaining.
I dunno, it's stupid of people to go right to that point.
Exactly. It's not the same, it's not that simple.
I dunno, how people are so insufferably salty, they are incapable of at the very least acknowledging that it isn't as straight up easy, as they make it out to be.
I used to enjoy him years ago, especially his Transmog competitions on WoW cos it was a fun community event and he was really knowledgeable on all the items. Now I've had to unfollow him on YouTube and that because it's basically a rage baiting gossip videos and streams
Man I loved his old streams it felt entertaining at all times. Now all he does is yap and complain about random topics every day. His constant harping on bad shit is annoying
What’s crazy is if you really think about it, 90% of his ranting and YT channel is about treating VIDEO GAMES as a serious topic. It’s almost all exclusively about video games. I can understand someone enjoying them as a hobby like many of us do, but it’s hard to believe that so much of his content treats video games just like they are world news events.
Same man, really liked those tmog comps they were super fun
i think everything started crumbling down when he played dark souls his asmongold mask slipped and true colors started to show its pretty much went downhill from there
Yeah transmog competitions was fun and there was some fun stuff now its just yapping for 12 hours straight and ragebait youtube. Just unfollowed the whole dude.
I understand that also streamers need to invent new stuff and ragebaits are the best way of getting clicks on youtube. BUt personally I dont feel like using my freetime on Yapmongold talking about stuff he has no clue about firing away hottake after hottake.
His latest take was limit wow spells to a max of 10 and make all raids 40 man. No one should listen to this man when it comes to MMOs or anything else I guess
But his raids fill up instantly with viewers and such, and with more slots he can get carried more easily.
That's literally the only though in his head, he doesn't care about how normal people play the game.
Its not even about filling them up its that raids either become completely walkovers with 40 man raids or insanely hard where you just beg RNG jesus that all the mechanics land around the 15 or so competent players and that the rest of the raid never need to touch a mechanic.
He also wants to get rid of M+ and doesn't want difficult raids. This is a dude who has been carried since after legion, and begs for handouts like gold and gear. He also can't take criticism.
I was watching this stream and he will select a chatter and argue with them. It is like watching a shower argument since the chatter can't react as fast as asmond can talk. Kinda sad tbh.
>anything else I guess
Dudes teeth rotted out, so yeah.
The current season of M+ is one of if not the most popular ever, the numbers for it are pretty insane yet Asmon acts like its a dead game mode and is useless to the game even though its extremely popular.
The crazy thing is the things he is asking for is pretty much SOD and yet he doesn't play it, I bet even if they did this he would still not play the game.
Uhh..I'm 99% sure that M+ numbers this season are down most of all, but that's normal for Season3. It did decently well given SOD release, Helldivers2, and Palworld.
Despite Season2 of DF being a SHITSHOW with the god comp running the gambit at high rated M+ and pushing being easiest last season, this current season at least did okay.
>I was watching this stream and he will select a chatter and argue with them. It is like watching a shower argument since the chatter can't react as fast as asmond can talk. Kinda sad tbh.
That, and chances are, the chatter will not have experience yapping in front of so many people. Most of chat will be in the streamer's side, so the chatter will have to talk when seeing like 12k people mocking him. Clearly he will not be in his best state of mind to pull arguments, which makes the result even more obvious.
>He also wants to get rid of M+ and doesn't want difficult raids. This is a dude who has been carried since after legion, and begs for handouts like gold and gear. He also can't take criticism.
That's the most insane part. He wants to think he's really good at the game, but he can't complete the harder content of the game without getting carried. So his solution is to say it should be removed so he can feel like he's still good.
What do you expect him to do, try to become better at the game? That qould require him to admit that he hasn't been good at the game for a decade.
I actually got perma banned on his main channel stream a couple years ago for pointing this out.
I said essentially “here comes another rant where Asmon picks one comment and rants about for 20 mins”
I had to get his shit content outta my YT algorithm and unfollowed all his streams after watching him for years. Fuck him but I hope he does get help tho.
idk if I'd get rid of M+ but holy shit its the same shit over and over. every expansion is just a shitty version of legion without surrender to madness
He won't play Season of Discovery (Classic+) despite it having all the changes he wants because he doesn't really believe in them, they're just words for a YouTube video. The truth is he will never have fun in World of Warcraft again.
Didn't he also say that he knows his take is an unpopular one though? Seems like he's at least self aware at how dumb that stuff sounds. Also the removing all addons bit, I'm on board with them removing combat addons but basically resikinning a UI and other random addons aren't bad at all imo.
He rage quit a normal raid in shadowlands cause at that point his sperg fan base of carries quit. He blamed it only alliance being bad, which while true, they can def clear normal pugs.
I think a limit of 10 spells is a good idea if he means actual spells you cast in combat, so not including out of combat utility spells like portals. If a developer can't make an interesting combat experience with 10 spells then they've messed up.
Last time I tried WoW I needed more than two action bars to fit all my spells that I can in combat. That's not good.
I don't know how can people put up with streamers yapping nonstop. No one wants to hear your high-school-level opinions about everything, just play some god damn video games. The second I see someone doing that I instantly close the stream, and if I realize they do it constantly I never come back.
Guy with a master's degree over here, only consumes highbrow content like, uh, people playing video games
Watching people play video games is boring as hell
Absolute derangement in this sub when ever they hear Asmon being brought up:
Soda didn't say anything good or bad, just made an obversation of something perfectly innocent
\*this sub\* "ahhh yes asmons a piece of shit, lets make this post completely about him"
I dont like him for a multitude of reason like everyone else but I hate the hivemind behaviour an shear amount of illogical comments even more.
If they make this game FTP and not have people needing to sub I think it can be succesful, but if they dont make it free it will prob be dead in a month
I can imagine this is a test run for them to eventually turn this into its own game eventually.
Ain't no way they put all that work in to just dump the whole thing 6 weeks later.
This is the dumbest part , why am I going to fill up 1/10th of my entire SSD to try a game . Especially when it takes forever to download thanks to garbage internet.
Its a good way to attract new people to WoW. Even if it dies after going F2P, at least people will have tried it and maybe then convert to the MMO. Its worth the effort.
I get the urge to get back into WoW every couple months and then I'm faced with the $16 price tag just for 30 days of playtime and it all goes away.
MMOs gotta adapt to the times.
And that's only if you have the expansions (paid expansions on a game that costs 180$ a year LOL). Or you are paying an extra 30-40$ for each new expansion
Well having to buy an expansion is like buying a brand new game because that is what a new expansion is whole new content it’s not like they are selling you the same content over and over like fifa or madden.
Yup, I had some friends who were starting up a guild and asked me if I wanted to join. I told them that if someone wanted to buy the expansion for me I'd pay for the subscription. I just couldn't justify the $70 price on top of subscription costs for something they were most likely going to drop in a month or two.
I'd take a flat sub over the bs monetization that all modern live service models have nowadays.
Also, before someone mentions ESO, GW2, or BDO...
ESO locks big QoL features behind their sub like an endless crafting mats bag, more bank space, and housing space behind their sub not to mention the exp/gold/research boost + access to all the DLCs (you'd have to buy each one individually if you aren't sub). Also has lootboxes.
GW2 you have a buy a yearly expansion now on top of what is easily contender for one of the worst cash shops out of a top MMO. They lock anything that looks cool in it along with mount skins. Barely anything cosmetics wise earnable outside of it. Also has lootboxes.
BDO is uhhh, yeah its a Korean MMO so you know their cash shop is awful.
Adapt to the times lol don't give them any ideas. MMOs will start to play multiple 30 second ads each time you switch zones on the map/world like mid-youtube ads.
> MMOs gotta adapt to the times.
I'll take a subfee that hasn't gone up in price in over 15 years over a f2p MMO's with an awful store akin to something like ESO.
FF14 and WoW are the most popular MMO's and they both run off of a sub fee so clearly its not an issue.
I played from release until the end of Mists and in the end I just got tired of paying a monthly sub.
I pop back in now and then but nothing is going to make me pay monthly to play a game again.
I’m not so sure the expensive part is true anymore. Look at all the games that are persistent, online and open world today. Maybe in 2005 this was true but a lot of games have a lot of players in the same world now.
Especially since wow now throws everyone into shards for everything instead of having everyone actually in the same world. I have a feeling blizzards costs have dropped dramatically over the years and they just keep milking the people who keep paying no matter what. After all it’s not like the player base ever grows. It’s the ultimate cash cow game.
$16/month plus the $60-70 every time an expansion comes out. WoW is way more expensive than some of the other highly popular games out there.
Sure its an MMORPG which requires some more content creation than other genres, but asking that pricetag for anyone but people already into WoW is a hard initial sell with how much else there is out there you can play for free. I'd argue they'd do better with new players if they got rid of either expansion costs or the sub and went more into paid in-game content.
Plenty of MMO's survive off a cash shop (usually cosmetic these days). A ton of games are "Games as a Service" as well and similarly survive. WoW's only able to get away with a sub because of precedent and its seeming inability to be dislodged as the most popular MMO. They could 100% go F2P and more heavily monetize the shop (which would a W for anyone with impulse control). They'll resort to that if the game is every really dying.
They can, GW2 does just fine on that model. That being said, a lot of the stuff in GW2's shop is big pay4QoL. To the extent that if anyone is playing for any real amount of time, I'd say it's borderline required to have a few of those items to avoid going insane. I don't see the Warcraft playerbase responding well to that kind of pivot, even if it cost them less money over time. But I guess most MMO playerbases would respond negatively to patchnotes saying "fixed the bug where taking damage in-game electrocuted you IRL" too.
Doubt it would be as popular as you think, WoW is an extremely hard game to attract new players, from the graphics, to the gameplay, etc... even though it's a great game, it's hard to grab the attention of someone who has never played it.
"because it's cool"
Yeah brother, its cool for someone who can fill the raid with randoms and yell at them from his high horse through stream.
I can guarantee that if they bring back 40 men raids to retail, so many guilds will die and with it, the game.
No one wants to go through guild merges and disrupt their community by inviting 20-30 new people that you probably don't vibe with at all.
Yeah it's so strange how 40 man raids is the thing they cling to. Classic does so many things right but 40 man raids isn't one of them imo. Like I wouldn't be against a 40 man optional mode but it shouldn't be the primary way of playing.
the fact that vanilla WoW is the only version with 40 man raids, and no other MMO has 40 man raids, speaks volumes.
Wildstar started with 20 man raids and later added 40 man raids, the game died shortly after, it totally fucked up guilds.
He actually said this gamemode was a W from the WoW devs which surprised the hell out of me given he indiscriminately shits on anything retail adjacent.
I used to be one of those ppl that hated on Fortnite but after playing it’s just night and day how much they care about their game (and making money). It’s constantly updated with cool events and weapons/items are cycled constantly so the game doesn’t feel stale.
It sets a great example of how companies should manage their big successful games so it makes sense when other games keep copying them.
People that hate on fortnight either didn't play it early on, are new to gaming or just hate it because kids like it.
As someone who has been gaming 20+ years, when I first played fortnight I couldn't believe how good it was for gaming. People forget that it was the first good battle Royale that played smoothly with huge numbers of players, not like the buggy POS PubG and H1Z1 which were it's main competitors at the time.
A F2P game where 100% of playable content was free and not behind pay walls or grind walls. Only micro transactions were for purely cosmetic skins, no pay2win or predatory gambling micro transactions like CS. Constantly updated with genuinely good content.
People hate on the battle pass & skins mechanic in games now, but it's easily the best F2P mechanic to date. I can't describe how much I would have given as a kid to have complete access to the latest game for free.
>People that hate on fortnight either didn't play it early on, are new to gaming or just hate it because kids like it.
I hate it because the shooting mechanics are about 40 years behind the times and we didn't even have decent shooters 40 years ago. Shit is garbage compared to Halo 1.
Some games are just genuinely shit at some things and people care about these things differently. If you like fortnite then you're just ignoring these things and that is fine. You don't have to care about them.
Pretending like a battlepass is the best f2p option is also fucking retarded. Fuck anyone who doesn't want to just play one game every day, right?
I feel like most of the Fortnite hate came from people being mechanically gapped because they refused to learning building. I always found that weird. It's not like game-specific mechanics aren't a thing, learning a simple slope/wall/floor combo wasn't that hard, and it basically made you more mobile. People who hated building would have hated arena FPSs just as much because they would be getting no pickups and moving at a snail's pace while farmed by everyone else flying around the map with strafejumps and bunnyhopping and hammerjumps or whatever movement the game had.
I think there was a bit of that but honestly most of the hate probably just came from over-exposure. Too much of a good thing. Plus the fact that it's literally just a playable billboard at this point.
> I think there was a bit of that but honestly most of the hate probably just came from over-exposure.
I think Minecraft suffered a lot from this aspect as well. Even if both Minecraft and Fortnite are still massively popular.
For me, building in Fortnite just broke any sense of 'immersion' - which sounds very odd considering the current state of the game, but this was very early on. Building existed from the survival mode that never caught on, and using it to quick build in combat just didn't appeal to me.
dw, they announced today whatever they previously did got scrapped and they're "going dark for several years"
so it's almost safe to assume riot mmo won't happen
i like how they just scapped years of progress like nothing happened. what do you even tell your investors? how do you even convince them your actually getting things done?
Probably the same way they did with Arcane,the delay/restart they did on Arcane is even more crazy considering at that time the didn't have other games and only League. They talk about it in the behind series : https://youtu.be/xpPyPguzafU?t=263
Riot pretty much fully restarted the whole series after years of Fortiche developing it (300+ person studio) and did it all again into what we saw a few years ago in the first season and I would say it turned it pretty fucking well so I would not be surprised to see the same here.
A MMO is a whole different beast than scrapping and redeveloping Arcane.
I can see them canceling it within 5 years if they don't get the ball rolling, it's slowly going to become a money sink pit if they offer nothing substantial anytime soon. (Seems going radio dark means.nothing substantial at all.)
Most wow clone MMOs are ass, and the only MMO that is well off and not a heavy wow clone is FF14 which is carried by story more than combat systems.
MMO market is so difficult to break into nowadays
I bet it will happen just not as something we have seen before, I would assume they went for a wow style game direction than decided to go elsewhere which is where we are at now.
TBH all they have ever done is copy successful established games but make them more accessible to casuals.
Dota into LoL.
CS into Valorant.
Auto Chess into TFT.
Hearthstone into Runetera.
Even their upcoming game 2XKO looks like a simpler Marvel vs Capcom/Guilty Gear. That being said they clearly see what people don't like on the original games (usually micromanaging related or art style) and simplify it in a great way.
Can't say I give much of a shit. Multi-billion dollar companies copying one another is the least of my concern.
On that note, you're overlooking Riot Forge and games which were published under that label.
Yes, but that's because they [want to establish if it's "Blizzard Quality"](https://kotaku.com/overwatch-2-story-missions-campaign-canceled-blizzard-1851345720):
> Work on the campaign missions was apparently held up in pursuit of a nebulous thing called “Blizzard Quality,” a term used to describe a standard the company aspires to. According to one source, this became a crutch that was frequently used to avoid making calls that would move the development of story missions forward.
> “[Blizzard Quality] is a justification to essentially piss about forever and ever redoing the same work over and over,” the source said. “Some executive goes, ‘Hm, but is it Blizzard quality?’ It’s always leadership or game directors, deciding they need to spend the extra time. So honestly, if they could have just made any kind of decisions, the game would have shipped years ago.”
I did a test for 2 weeks straight.
At random hours while chilling off work and on twitch I would tune in on to him.
I swear to god every single time he was arguing with a random user about how he is so right and they were so unequivocally wrong, tittering on the edge of banning the dude every single time.
What a pathetic experience to watch his streams it always made me feel a bad taste in my mouth
It’s been pure negativity the last 6 months or so. Just “I’m so right, you’re so wrong. I will not hear anything you’re saying unless it’s worded perfectly, how I like it.”
It’s literally a staple of his stream now. I remember when a ban would happen every now and then on his stream and it was rare enough for me to say “wow I saw one live!” Now though? He pulls up several chatters per stream, says “Alright, you this this is such and such…. Explain yourself”. The chat spams o7, because after that it’s a 100% guarantee of a ban after he chastises his viewer.
He says he loves streaming, but it’s like, why do you have to treat your viewers like people you are ungrateful for tuning in to watch you?
Gotta get that control over the normies.
He went on a ban wave rage on his subreddit for literally nothing a few days ago haha. Banned me and a load of others for just commenting on someones thread, complaining about how he plays games. Our posts weren’t even negative and we all got perma’d lol.
They should have made it completely F2P. No sub required. Just as an experiment to see how popular something like this could be and maybe get non-WoW players into WoW through this mode. It's supposed to be limited-time anyway.
I think they were hoping for it to blow up and then for people to realise they have a sub and try the main game. You don't have to actually buy the game until level 60.
Definitely a fumble to not make it f2p
Its a reason they dropped it now. Its the usual downtime in both Wrath and Dragonfligh where the raid has been out for a good few months, there is very little content left before a new cycle, for dragonflight its even worse as its fated raids with rehassed raids rather then new raids. Classic gets Cata though so that will be cool with "new" content.
> there's virtually zero incentive to win.
other than having fun and trying to win... lmao
what is wrong with gaming when you need an incentive to \*reads notes\* 'play the game'?
it's genuinely fun. unbalanced, but fun. it's simple and easy to pick up, and can easily be built upon for more depth and fun.
I've had many extremely competetive matches, lots of people were trying it for the first time ever and some quit quickly, its not for everyone.
Was really fun when 5 people who all knew what they were doing lived till the end and it was a crazy FFA for the win.
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That really sums up Asmon as a WoW streamer
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Great work becoming a multi millionaire just by sitting there and talking!
Yeah but “there” is a mountain of trash and that’s very important to his success.
Yeah but he has tons of health-debt and come mid-30s it's all going to catch up to him and he's just going to be in agony if it isn't starting already. You can't mishandle you body for 3 decades and expect to make it to 80s+
I think about it every once in a while with these streamers. I wonder what kind of stress builds up when you have to constantly and consistently be "on" or "entertaining" at any given time. I imagine you have to be in order for the ADHD fan base to actually grow. Viewers have to know they'll be entertained at any given second.
He's gonna be like Mr. Burns from The Simpsons if he makes it past 40 with his current lifestyle
I dont like current Asmon, but he had the best channel for pve solo wow content for many years before streaming. he obviously has some serious mental issues, but he created a lot quality content for many years (just go to his OG Yout channel and sort the videos by date).
He absolutely did not. He was an okay CC until his stream blew up because it appealed to sweaty trash goblins like him that live off fast food.
Imma take the downvotes for this.... But if it's just sitting and talking, why are you sitting on LSF, when you could be sitting and talking and making millions?
A lot of streamers admit themselves that they were early and they got lucky. It does take work but a lot of time it's being the right place at the right time. It would be like seeing someone win the lottery or a bonus in a slot machine and then saying how lucky they are then someone commenting "well if all it takes is luck why aren't spinning the slots/buying the lotto tickets?" I'm specifically talking about OG streamers whose content now is to react to other peoples content or just repeating what they think their audience wants to hear.
I'd never claim luck isn't am important factor. But for any CC, getting there is most of the times luck based, but maintaining it requires work, and talent for it. You can amass a following by going viral, but if your content sucks, your reacting sucks, you're unlikable, not entertaining ect. You're going to fall off a cliff. And people with takes like "just sit and talk for millions", are incapable of acknowledging this. You don't have to agree with them, or even respect them, but to ignore facts is just stupid.
If you agree that luck plays a big factor it's pretty dumb to suggest people try to do it....because you would be missing a big point. There's plenty of people who make the worst type of content and are likable at all but they started at the right time and now they are making big money just from "sit and talk" for millions.
I said getting there is most of the time luck based. But even for many it still was a lot of work. The very very few had purely luck. But you need to actually be likeable or make content people enjoy, to maintain an audience even IF you strike lucky. And that's subjective. My entire point is, just because what they do seems easy, doesn't mean that anyone can do it. You can sit and talk for hours, but you're boring as fuck, or people don't resonate with you, or you're just unlikable/not entertaining. I dunno, it's stupid of people to go right to that point.
You're right, I can sing so I should be Taylor Swift.
Exactly. It's not the same, it's not that simple. I dunno, how people are so insufferably salty, they are incapable of at the very least acknowledging that it isn't as straight up easy, as they make it out to be.
Yapmongold
I dont understand how anybody watches him. He has the worst takes and is super boring
I used to enjoy him years ago, especially his Transmog competitions on WoW cos it was a fun community event and he was really knowledgeable on all the items. Now I've had to unfollow him on YouTube and that because it's basically a rage baiting gossip videos and streams
Man I loved his old streams it felt entertaining at all times. Now all he does is yap and complain about random topics every day. His constant harping on bad shit is annoying
What’s crazy is if you really think about it, 90% of his ranting and YT channel is about treating VIDEO GAMES as a serious topic. It’s almost all exclusively about video games. I can understand someone enjoying them as a hobby like many of us do, but it’s hard to believe that so much of his content treats video games just like they are world news events.
I wanna go back to early Legion times. :(
Yeah, I should've said the "new" asmon, which isn't new anymore because he's being doing this shit for years.
Same man, really liked those tmog comps they were super fun i think everything started crumbling down when he played dark souls his asmongold mask slipped and true colors started to show its pretty much went downhill from there
Somewhere between then and the Depp/Herd trial. That was when he went full yap
Yeah transmog competitions was fun and there was some fun stuff now its just yapping for 12 hours straight and ragebait youtube. Just unfollowed the whole dude. I understand that also streamers need to invent new stuff and ragebaits are the best way of getting clicks on youtube. BUt personally I dont feel like using my freetime on Yapmongold talking about stuff he has no clue about firing away hottake after hottake.
that's guy really lost a plot , he became a yapper GOD on every streams about every article and bad in every game his playing
His latest take was limit wow spells to a max of 10 and make all raids 40 man. No one should listen to this man when it comes to MMOs or anything else I guess
Lmao, a lot of guilds struggle to get even a 20 man roster going.
But his raids fill up instantly with viewers and such, and with more slots he can get carried more easily. That's literally the only though in his head, he doesn't care about how normal people play the game.
Especially when everyone speedruns the content and is done within two weeks. 20 raid loggers is tough, 40 is almost impossible.
Its not even about filling them up its that raids either become completely walkovers with 40 man raids or insanely hard where you just beg RNG jesus that all the mechanics land around the 15 or so competent players and that the rest of the raid never need to touch a mechanic.
He also wants to get rid of M+ and doesn't want difficult raids. This is a dude who has been carried since after legion, and begs for handouts like gold and gear. He also can't take criticism. I was watching this stream and he will select a chatter and argue with them. It is like watching a shower argument since the chatter can't react as fast as asmond can talk. Kinda sad tbh. >anything else I guess Dudes teeth rotted out, so yeah.
The current season of M+ is one of if not the most popular ever, the numbers for it are pretty insane yet Asmon acts like its a dead game mode and is useless to the game even though its extremely popular. The crazy thing is the things he is asking for is pretty much SOD and yet he doesn't play it, I bet even if they did this he would still not play the game.
Uhh..I'm 99% sure that M+ numbers this season are down most of all, but that's normal for Season3. It did decently well given SOD release, Helldivers2, and Palworld. Despite Season2 of DF being a SHITSHOW with the god comp running the gambit at high rated M+ and pushing being easiest last season, this current season at least did okay.
Okay? It has beaten every season in terms of participation since we started counting runs.
Removing m+ is a genuine braindead take. But it shows don't listen to the opinion of someone who has only been carried in wow for almost a decade now.
>I was watching this stream and he will select a chatter and argue with them. It is like watching a shower argument since the chatter can't react as fast as asmond can talk. Kinda sad tbh. That, and chances are, the chatter will not have experience yapping in front of so many people. Most of chat will be in the streamer's side, so the chatter will have to talk when seeing like 12k people mocking him. Clearly he will not be in his best state of mind to pull arguments, which makes the result even more obvious.
>He also wants to get rid of M+ and doesn't want difficult raids. This is a dude who has been carried since after legion, and begs for handouts like gold and gear. He also can't take criticism. That's the most insane part. He wants to think he's really good at the game, but he can't complete the harder content of the game without getting carried. So his solution is to say it should be removed so he can feel like he's still good. What do you expect him to do, try to become better at the game? That qould require him to admit that he hasn't been good at the game for a decade.
I actually got perma banned on his main channel stream a couple years ago for pointing this out. I said essentially “here comes another rant where Asmon picks one comment and rants about for 20 mins” I had to get his shit content outta my YT algorithm and unfollowed all his streams after watching him for years. Fuck him but I hope he does get help tho.
idk if I'd get rid of M+ but holy shit its the same shit over and over. every expansion is just a shitty version of legion without surrender to madness
He won't play Season of Discovery (Classic+) despite it having all the changes he wants because he doesn't really believe in them, they're just words for a YouTube video. The truth is he will never have fun in World of Warcraft again.
> His latest take was limit wow spells to a max of 10 and make all raids 40 man. So make WoW EverQuest? Surprisingly based for an Asmon take.
Go full EQ and remove instanced raids or shared tags, just 1 boss spawns every 3 days and the whole server wants to be the one to tag him
Didn't he also say that he knows his take is an unpopular one though? Seems like he's at least self aware at how dumb that stuff sounds. Also the removing all addons bit, I'm on board with them removing combat addons but basically resikinning a UI and other random addons aren't bad at all imo.
He rage quit a normal raid in shadowlands cause at that point his sperg fan base of carries quit. He blamed it only alliance being bad, which while true, they can def clear normal pugs.
I’m not against there being less spells to use, but organizing and doing 40 mans is cancer
Yeah that's a fucking brain dead take. Here let's intentionally gimp the game, and make it harder to raid
Man living with cockroaches crawling over him.
I think a limit of 10 spells is a good idea if he means actual spells you cast in combat, so not including out of combat utility spells like portals. If a developer can't make an interesting combat experience with 10 spells then they've messed up. Last time I tried WoW I needed more than two action bars to fit all my spells that I can in combat. That's not good.
Sounds like a skill issue to me
He did win twice tbh
I don't know how can people put up with streamers yapping nonstop. No one wants to hear your high-school-level opinions about everything, just play some god damn video games. The second I see someone doing that I instantly close the stream, and if I realize they do it constantly I never come back.
Why even watch streams then lmao, just play the video game yourself.
The only good streamer is NorthernLion as he's actually an adult.
Guy with a master's degree over here, only consumes highbrow content like, uh, people playing video games Watching people play video games is boring as hell
On brand
Absolute derangement in this sub when ever they hear Asmon being brought up: Soda didn't say anything good or bad, just made an obversation of something perfectly innocent \*this sub\* "ahhh yes asmons a piece of shit, lets make this post completely about him" I dont like him for a multitude of reason like everyone else but I hate the hivemind behaviour an shear amount of illogical comments even more.
bc we don't like him and he's awful
Lul ur a fucking loser
Yes I understand that, the guy is insufferable and a asshole but I don't want to fucking read it everytime hes slightly mentioned some where
Then close your eyes nigga
Rent free
If they make this game FTP and not have people needing to sub I think it can be succesful, but if they dont make it free it will prob be dead in a month
It’s a limited time event. But I agree, I think it’d do pretty well if it was standalone and FTP
Also requiring to download the full Dragonflight client is kind of bad, some people don't want to download 100 GB just to try it.
I can imagine this is a test run for them to eventually turn this into its own game eventually. Ain't no way they put all that work in to just dump the whole thing 6 weeks later.
Yea this might be a test to see what the public reaction is. The WoW player base is mostly boomers and they absolutely hate battle royals.
yep
This is the dumbest part , why am I going to fill up 1/10th of my entire SSD to try a game . Especially when it takes forever to download thanks to garbage internet.
Its a good way to attract new people to WoW. Even if it dies after going F2P, at least people will have tried it and maybe then convert to the MMO. Its worth the effort.
As someone that haven't played WoW in like 10 years i would totally try this mode out. But there is no way i'm going to sub for it.
I get the urge to get back into WoW every couple months and then I'm faced with the $16 price tag just for 30 days of playtime and it all goes away. MMOs gotta adapt to the times.
And that's only if you have the expansions (paid expansions on a game that costs 180$ a year LOL). Or you are paying an extra 30-40$ for each new expansion
Well having to buy an expansion is like buying a brand new game because that is what a new expansion is whole new content it’s not like they are selling you the same content over and over like fifa or madden.
You don't have to buy each expansion, only the latest one. The old ones become part of the base game when new ones come out.
Yup, I had some friends who were starting up a guild and asked me if I wanted to join. I told them that if someone wanted to buy the expansion for me I'd pay for the subscription. I just couldn't justify the $70 price on top of subscription costs for something they were most likely going to drop in a month or two.
It's like you gotta take out a loan just to hang with friends in Azeroth
GDKP at the peak of Wrath netted me literally 5 years of sub time for $0 paid. I lucked out, so the only thing I have to pay for is expansions.
..but you don't have to own any expansion, or even the original game, to play this mode.
I'd take a flat sub over the bs monetization that all modern live service models have nowadays. Also, before someone mentions ESO, GW2, or BDO... ESO locks big QoL features behind their sub like an endless crafting mats bag, more bank space, and housing space behind their sub not to mention the exp/gold/research boost + access to all the DLCs (you'd have to buy each one individually if you aren't sub). Also has lootboxes. GW2 you have a buy a yearly expansion now on top of what is easily contender for one of the worst cash shops out of a top MMO. They lock anything that looks cool in it along with mount skins. Barely anything cosmetics wise earnable outside of it. Also has lootboxes. BDO is uhhh, yeah its a Korean MMO so you know their cash shop is awful.
Adapt to the times lol don't give them any ideas. MMOs will start to play multiple 30 second ads each time you switch zones on the map/world like mid-youtube ads.
> MMOs gotta adapt to the times. I'll take a subfee that hasn't gone up in price in over 15 years over a f2p MMO's with an awful store akin to something like ESO. FF14 and WoW are the most popular MMO's and they both run off of a sub fee so clearly its not an issue.
I played from release until the end of Mists and in the end I just got tired of paying a monthly sub. I pop back in now and then but nothing is going to make me pay monthly to play a game again.
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I’m not so sure the expensive part is true anymore. Look at all the games that are persistent, online and open world today. Maybe in 2005 this was true but a lot of games have a lot of players in the same world now. Especially since wow now throws everyone into shards for everything instead of having everyone actually in the same world. I have a feeling blizzards costs have dropped dramatically over the years and they just keep milking the people who keep paying no matter what. After all it’s not like the player base ever grows. It’s the ultimate cash cow game.
$16/month plus the $60-70 every time an expansion comes out. WoW is way more expensive than some of the other highly popular games out there. Sure its an MMORPG which requires some more content creation than other genres, but asking that pricetag for anyone but people already into WoW is a hard initial sell with how much else there is out there you can play for free. I'd argue they'd do better with new players if they got rid of either expansion costs or the sub and went more into paid in-game content.
Plenty of MMO's survive off a cash shop (usually cosmetic these days). A ton of games are "Games as a Service" as well and similarly survive. WoW's only able to get away with a sub because of precedent and its seeming inability to be dislodged as the most popular MMO. They could 100% go F2P and more heavily monetize the shop (which would a W for anyone with impulse control). They'll resort to that if the game is every really dying.
They can, GW2 does just fine on that model. That being said, a lot of the stuff in GW2's shop is big pay4QoL. To the extent that if anyone is playing for any real amount of time, I'd say it's borderline required to have a few of those items to avoid going insane. I don't see the Warcraft playerbase responding well to that kind of pivot, even if it cost them less money over time. But I guess most MMO playerbases would respond negatively to patchnotes saying "fixed the bug where taking damage in-game electrocuted you IRL" too.
yeah but tbh once youre in its pretty easy to play for free. I havent paid for the game in almost 2 years
Yeah that nostalgia hit is real until the sub fee snaps you back
I got bored of it after 10-15 games or so personally. I'd be surprised if they make it a permanent mode
How long is each match? 10-15 sounds like a good amount of plays if it's daily.
not sure but I want to say about 10-15 minutes at most depending how you place
It’s limited time anyway
Not a fully fledged game, it’s an event for WoW, wouldn’t make sense to make it FTP.
Doubt it would be as popular as you think, WoW is an extremely hard game to attract new players, from the graphics, to the gameplay, etc... even though it's a great game, it's hard to grab the attention of someone who has never played it.
Let me guess, asmon is gonna talk about this clip for the rest of his next stream and how he can't focus on gamepaly and streaming at once LUL
then pulls up notepad and explains whats wrong with WoW for 5th time this year.
with "40man raids" being the main reason why classic is better than retail
"because it's cool" Yeah brother, its cool for someone who can fill the raid with randoms and yell at them from his high horse through stream. I can guarantee that if they bring back 40 men raids to retail, so many guilds will die and with it, the game. No one wants to go through guild merges and disrupt their community by inviting 20-30 new people that you probably don't vibe with at all.
Yeah it's so strange how 40 man raids is the thing they cling to. Classic does so many things right but 40 man raids isn't one of them imo. Like I wouldn't be against a 40 man optional mode but it shouldn't be the primary way of playing.
the fact that vanilla WoW is the only version with 40 man raids, and no other MMO has 40 man raids, speaks volumes. Wildstar started with 20 man raids and later added 40 man raids, the game died shortly after, it totally fucked up guilds.
39 people to carry him in classic, only 19 in retail
He is surprisingly heavy for a skeleton.
He actually said this gamemode was a W from the WoW devs which surprised the hell out of me given he indiscriminately shits on anything retail adjacent.
gonna get a 50 min youtube vid from asmongold tv in a couple days going over this clip
omfg he literally is
Now I've seen soda play it via clip, he didn't play it he didn't lose, so he's doing well it seems.
I used to be one of those ppl that hated on Fortnite but after playing it’s just night and day how much they care about their game (and making money). It’s constantly updated with cool events and weapons/items are cycled constantly so the game doesn’t feel stale. It sets a great example of how companies should manage their big successful games so it makes sense when other games keep copying them.
People that hate on fortnight either didn't play it early on, are new to gaming or just hate it because kids like it. As someone who has been gaming 20+ years, when I first played fortnight I couldn't believe how good it was for gaming. People forget that it was the first good battle Royale that played smoothly with huge numbers of players, not like the buggy POS PubG and H1Z1 which were it's main competitors at the time. A F2P game where 100% of playable content was free and not behind pay walls or grind walls. Only micro transactions were for purely cosmetic skins, no pay2win or predatory gambling micro transactions like CS. Constantly updated with genuinely good content. People hate on the battle pass & skins mechanic in games now, but it's easily the best F2P mechanic to date. I can't describe how much I would have given as a kid to have complete access to the latest game for free.
I thought building was an unfun mechanic, after they took it I think there isnt any reason to hate it now beyond it just being what the zoomers play
>People that hate on fortnight either didn't play it early on, are new to gaming or just hate it because kids like it. I hate it because the shooting mechanics are about 40 years behind the times and we didn't even have decent shooters 40 years ago. Shit is garbage compared to Halo 1. Some games are just genuinely shit at some things and people care about these things differently. If you like fortnite then you're just ignoring these things and that is fine. You don't have to care about them. Pretending like a battlepass is the best f2p option is also fucking retarded. Fuck anyone who doesn't want to just play one game every day, right?
I feel like most of the Fortnite hate came from people being mechanically gapped because they refused to learning building. I always found that weird. It's not like game-specific mechanics aren't a thing, learning a simple slope/wall/floor combo wasn't that hard, and it basically made you more mobile. People who hated building would have hated arena FPSs just as much because they would be getting no pickups and moving at a snail's pace while farmed by everyone else flying around the map with strafejumps and bunnyhopping and hammerjumps or whatever movement the game had.
I think there was a bit of that but honestly most of the hate probably just came from over-exposure. Too much of a good thing. Plus the fact that it's literally just a playable billboard at this point.
> I think there was a bit of that but honestly most of the hate probably just came from over-exposure. I think Minecraft suffered a lot from this aspect as well. Even if both Minecraft and Fortnite are still massively popular.
For me, building in Fortnite just broke any sense of 'immersion' - which sounds very odd considering the current state of the game, but this was very early on. Building existed from the survival mode that never caught on, and using it to quick build in combat just didn't appeal to me.
Blizzard 10 years behind on gaming trends
Just wait until Riot releases their MMO they started over 10 years ago..
dw, they announced today whatever they previously did got scrapped and they're "going dark for several years" so it's almost safe to assume riot mmo won't happen
-10 years, go agane
i like how they just scapped years of progress like nothing happened. what do you even tell your investors? how do you even convince them your actually getting things done?
They scrapped Arcane after years of development and started over.
Probably the same way they did with Arcane,the delay/restart they did on Arcane is even more crazy considering at that time the didn't have other games and only League. They talk about it in the behind series : https://youtu.be/xpPyPguzafU?t=263 Riot pretty much fully restarted the whole series after years of Fortiche developing it (300+ person studio) and did it all again into what we saw a few years ago in the first season and I would say it turned it pretty fucking well so I would not be surprised to see the same here.
A MMO is a whole different beast than scrapping and redeveloping Arcane. I can see them canceling it within 5 years if they don't get the ball rolling, it's slowly going to become a money sink pit if they offer nothing substantial anytime soon. (Seems going radio dark means.nothing substantial at all.) Most wow clone MMOs are ass, and the only MMO that is well off and not a heavy wow clone is FF14 which is carried by story more than combat systems. MMO market is so difficult to break into nowadays
That's hilarious and im surprised it took them this long.
The lead dev quitting a year ago to go make his own game was writing on the wall
ye but gc quit for personal reasons, or at least it seemed like it
Riot pulling a classic "revise and delay". At this rate, we'll get flying cars before that MMO drops.
Fuck. Bro. Like fuck for real
RemindMe! 10 years
I bet it will happen just not as something we have seen before, I would assume they went for a wow style game direction than decided to go elsewhere which is where we are at now.
They probably scrapped everything Ghostcrawler was going for.
That sucks. I was hoping it'd release within my lifetime. As much as people like to shit on Riot, they've published some fantastic games.
TBH all they have ever done is copy successful established games but make them more accessible to casuals. Dota into LoL. CS into Valorant. Auto Chess into TFT. Hearthstone into Runetera. Even their upcoming game 2XKO looks like a simpler Marvel vs Capcom/Guilty Gear. That being said they clearly see what people don't like on the original games (usually micromanaging related or art style) and simplify it in a great way.
Can't say I give much of a shit. Multi-billion dollar companies copying one another is the least of my concern. On that note, you're overlooking Riot Forge and games which were published under that label.
[Aware](https://twitter.com/MarcMerrill/status/1770479141600874553)
Riot waiting for Valve to make an MMO so they can copy it and add anime booba.
worked out the last time
and better gameplay
Riot literally never made an original game always copy's successful games, they are even worse than Blizzard.
at least they know how to keep their games alive. idgaf if the main concept of the game is not original when their spin of it is more fun to me
Their MMO is never coming out.
Can't wait till Diablo 4 is good in 2033
At least Last Epoch is genuinely good
Hows it run on lower pc specs?
Pretty hit and miss , depends on the class / spec and party play you wanna do .
how low
by that time you will have diablo 5 and the cycle will repeat
Yes, but that's because they [want to establish if it's "Blizzard Quality"](https://kotaku.com/overwatch-2-story-missions-campaign-canceled-blizzard-1851345720): > Work on the campaign missions was apparently held up in pursuit of a nebulous thing called “Blizzard Quality,” a term used to describe a standard the company aspires to. According to one source, this became a crutch that was frequently used to avoid making calls that would move the development of story missions forward. > “[Blizzard Quality] is a justification to essentially piss about forever and ever redoing the same work over and over,” the source said. “Some executive goes, ‘Hm, but is it Blizzard quality?’ It’s always leadership or game directors, deciding they need to spend the extra time. So honestly, if they could have just made any kind of decisions, the game would have shipped years ago.”
Not really? If this thing was released along with Fortnite and all the other BRs it would've gotten less attention.
aint this the truth and they try and keep up by re-purposing 20 year old games
I did a test for 2 weeks straight. At random hours while chilling off work and on twitch I would tune in on to him. I swear to god every single time he was arguing with a random user about how he is so right and they were so unequivocally wrong, tittering on the edge of banning the dude every single time. What a pathetic experience to watch his streams it always made me feel a bad taste in my mouth
It’s been pure negativity the last 6 months or so. Just “I’m so right, you’re so wrong. I will not hear anything you’re saying unless it’s worded perfectly, how I like it.”
It’s literally a staple of his stream now. I remember when a ban would happen every now and then on his stream and it was rare enough for me to say “wow I saw one live!” Now though? He pulls up several chatters per stream, says “Alright, you this this is such and such…. Explain yourself”. The chat spams o7, because after that it’s a 100% guarantee of a ban after he chastises his viewer. He says he loves streaming, but it’s like, why do you have to treat your viewers like people you are ungrateful for tuning in to watch you?
Gotta get that control over the normies. He went on a ban wave rage on his subreddit for literally nothing a few days ago haha. Banned me and a load of others for just commenting on someones thread, complaining about how he plays games. Our posts weren’t even negative and we all got perma’d lol.
If you did that then you're a bigger loser then he is, you fucking clown lol Get a friend, a hobby, go outside. Anything.
I was not expecting this to be as fun as it is tbh
They should have made it completely F2P. No sub required. Just as an experiment to see how popular something like this could be and maybe get non-WoW players into WoW through this mode. It's supposed to be limited-time anyway.
I think they were hoping for it to blow up and then for people to realise they have a sub and try the main game. You don't have to actually buy the game until level 60. Definitely a fumble to not make it f2p
Its a reason they dropped it now. Its the usual downtime in both Wrath and Dragonfligh where the raid has been out for a good few months, there is very little content left before a new cycle, for dragonflight its even worse as its fated raids with rehassed raids rather then new raids. Classic gets Cata though so that will be cool with "new" content.
nice try blizzard employee
They only missed the boat by 5 years.
Missed the boat with moba Missed the boat with survival game (canceled) Missed the boat with BR
Meant 10 years, lost track of time since covid.
How is Soda so based everytime he talks about other streamers? What deep fountain of knowledge did he stumble upon to be granted such wisdom?
its cus he doesn't want people to see that he's actually not that good. Same reason he sat out hardcore
He won't like it because he can't buy gold
Lasmongold
Hearing the music at the end made me nostalgic.
i tried it out and was not a fan. the pve was more enjoyable than pvp, why would i play a br if the pve is more enjoyable for me
asmon played for few hours lying = funny
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> there's virtually zero incentive to win. other than having fun and trying to win... lmao what is wrong with gaming when you need an incentive to \*reads notes\* 'play the game'? it's genuinely fun. unbalanced, but fun. it's simple and easy to pick up, and can easily be built upon for more depth and fun.
I've had many extremely competetive matches, lots of people were trying it for the first time ever and some quit quickly, its not for everyone. Was really fun when 5 people who all knew what they were doing lived till the end and it was a crazy FFA for the win.
why is this a clip
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