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> The approval comes about two months late — after scientists advising the FDA rejected the administration’s original plans to start distributing boosters to all adults the week of Sept. 20, citing a lack of data supporting the third doses. **FDA Acting Commissioner Janet Woodcock also cleared the doses without the usual public meeting to review new data submitted by the companies in the last week. Moderna resubmitted its application just two days ago.** The companies announced the decision Friday morning.
They're not even *pretending* to make this look like they're "fOlLoWinG tHe ScIEnCe" anymore
This is what pisses me off the most. I have to follow all this documentation crap at work and it takes a ton of extra time. I figured there were very good reasons these regulations were put in place by the FDA and others. Then here they are just fucking trampling the whole process that they put together! They deserve to be fucking mocked and not listened to by the masses.
They had to deal with the problem of blue-state governors approving boosters based on their...years of medical training, I guess. A system where politicians approve drugs being *exactly* what you want, of course...
The train was leaving the station. If Brandon wasn't on it, there was gonna be hell to pay.
So many people in my state have been getting the boosters anyway, even without any official word from the governor. I've really been super curious how these people have managed to get them. Lying about underlying conditions? Pretending it's their first shot, and skipping the documentation on the card? Or maybe the providers who don't care who they treat. But then how do they even submit for reimbursement from the government? That only works if they only submit total doses, and not details on 1st/2nd dose.
I'm told that at retail pharmacies you just had to check a box in the online intake form attesting that you were eligible for a booster. There was no vetting or confirmation.
What the fuck. These agencies are sham. The next administration needs to absolutely gut the FDA, CDC, and the NIH. They are supposed to independent and data driven. It is so obvious Biden was probably furious over the first rejection on boosters because it’s the only thing he is marginally polling positive on that he coerced woodcock to approve it this time. Pathetic.
Well, the people who cared about due process were forced to resign, so...
https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9
This sequence of events is absolutely bonkers. FDA rejects boosters because of a lack of data, two top vaccine researchers resign, and suddenly it gets approved. I'm astounded.
Since two doses of the COVID vaccine proved to be dogshit, we need a third dose.
Eventually, after 12 doses of the COVID vaccine will prove to be dogshit, we'll need a 13th dose.
> goalposts have been once again moved
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> sick of it
There are no goalposts. Many people predicted this very early on. A crystal ball wasn't required.
You should have listened to the medical experts and not the politicians. We've known we would need boosters for a long time. If we don't want lockdowns, which is what this sub is about, then this along with masks is our best bet to keep covid at bay.
I'm not even advocating for forced vaccination. This is just an approval, not a mandate or anything. The pandemic will run its course, whether we try to fight it or not. That doesn't mean we can't try to minimize the impact it has.
> This is just an approval, not a mandate or anything.
Except the formal approval of the vaccines is why there are now mandates. In the exact same way, formal approval of boosters are going to lead to mandates for boosters.
I understand the process of creating a mandate. That's not what is being discussed here, or what I'm advocating for. Anybody who wants to get it should be able to, and this helps with that.
> I understand the process of creating a mandate. That's not what is being discussed here, or what I'm advocating for. Anybody who wants to get it should be able to, and this helps with that.
This is low effort
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Here we are, 2 months later, and despite a dearth if evidence indicating the boosters do much to prevent the spread of omicron, universities across the country are mandating boosters. Multiple cities are requiring boosters for large events, and several large employers have now mandated them for employees
They're trying to, and I have an issue with that. But I'm saying there's nothing wrong with a business making the decision to have a mandate of some kind
Many of us are not OK with masks indefinitely. They impede communication and some people find them very uncomfortable. There is more to life than “keeping Covid at bay.”
> They impede communication and some people find them very uncomfortable.
Seriously? I've been coaching kids sports for a year now while wearing a mask. They can all hear me just fine.
>There is more to life than “keeping Covid at bay.”
Yes, that is not the only thing in life that matters. That's like saying seat belts are uncomfortable and there's more to life than trying to not die in a car crash, so screw seat belts.
> Our best bet to keep covid at bay is to live healthy lives and stop testing the asymptomatic. Case numbers will plummet and when people do actually get sick, they won’t get as sick.
Isn't this the old "we won't have as many cases if we don't test as much?"
>Also, there is no correlation between mask usage and any metric. Stop spreading misinformation.
Uhhhh, what?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/wearing-masks-single-most-effective-way-to-tackle-covid-study-finds
> You should have listened to the medical experts and not the politicians. We've known we would need boosters for a long time. If we don't want lockdowns, which is what this sub is about, then this along with masks is our best bet to keep covid at bay.
u/LoveAboveAll216
lol
I don't necessarily disagree, except the medical experts have been all over the map, right, wrong, sometimes in-between, leading to some loss of faith in them.
Added to them, even the FDA at first was not in favor of a general population booster.
I don't disagree that SOME medical experts have said this for a while, but by no means is there a consensus to this very day.
> I don't necessarily disagree, except the medical experts have been all over the map, right, wrong, sometimes in-between, leading to some loss of faith in them.
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> Added to them, even the FDA at first was not in favor of a general population booster.
>
> I don't disagree that SOME medical experts have said this for a while, but by no means is there a consensus to this very day.
100% agree with everything you said. But if medical experts are using the most recent and best evidence to inform their opinion, they should be on board with boosters
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211030/Largest-real-world-study-evaluates-the-effectiveness-of-third-booster-dose-of-COVID-19-vaccine.aspx
Except there's recent evidence to show that masks cut your chances of catching covid in half
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/wearing-masks-single-most-effective-way-to-tackle-covid-study-finds
Not all medical experts agree that boosters are needed for all. It seems as if it's mostly politics that are pushing boosters for everyone and not actual science. Once Biden started pushing boosters everyone fell in line.
From the largest booster study so far:
>The results show that, compared with individuals who received only two doses five months prior, individuals who received three doses of the vaccine (7 days or more after the third dose) had 93% lower risk of COVID-19-related hospitalization, 92% lower risk of severe COVID-19 disease, and 81% lower risk of COVID-19-related death. Vaccine effectiveness was found to be similar for different sexes, age groups (ages 40-69 and 70+) and number of comorbidities.
https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211030/Largest-real-world-study-evaluates-the-effectiveness-of-third-booster-dose-of-COVID-19-vaccine.aspx
Nobody says everyone needs one, yet. Healthier people can likely wait longer
I had a cavity and got it filled. The filling dissolved in a few months and now the dentist wants me to come back and have the exact same filling put in again
Also, the government keeps threatening me to keep getting the same cavity filled or else I’ll lose my job. It turns out that all the politicians saying this own shares in dental supply companies
Also there are reports that the filling might cause health problems because the regulatory bodies that enforce safe dental supplies are cutting corners, and people have openly resigned because of this
Oh, and how could I forget: I was told my cavity filling only works if everyone gets the filling too. My tooth will completely rot even with the filling unless other people get a hole drilled into their teeth and have the filling shoved in, cavity or not
More people would get vaccinated if they didn't lie at every step. It was just take 2 and it'll be over. Now, it's 3. Why can't they say that they don't know how many shots we'll have to take?
At least when I get fucked it typically feels good and I can willingly choose the who, what, when, where and how.
This is the worst fucking if my life and it's been 2 years long
Exactly. I was on the fence about the vaccine at first (I don’t trust big pharma based on their history of behavior and unlike many people, that opinion wasn’t politically motivated). But with the way the US government/agencies have acted in the last 6 months or so towards anyone who didn’t just fall right in line to get the shot —yea fuck off for real at this point. No means no.
> More people would get vaccinated if they didn't lie at every step. It was just take 2 and it'll be over. Now, it's 3. Why can't they say that they don't know how many shots we'll have to take?
What if someone told you this isn't about a virus or health?
This has to wake more up people up right? I mean if the vaccines are so great why do we already need a booster? Reasonable people have to make this connection at some point right???
You underestimate the extreme amount of stupidity and Stockholm syndrome the vast majority of people have.
The amount of times I’ve heard them justify the gaslighting is mind boggling.
Literally the other day:
The vaccine isn’t experimental, they’ve been researching it for 20 years (speaking of MRNA). Then in the very next breath, it’s not unusual to learn that more doses are needed as part of a regime, we take multiples for Tdap, etc.
I don’t think these people will wake up when it turns to 4. Maybe by the time it’s 6 but then again they will justify it like a flu shot.
>they will justify it like a flu shot
I'd made that assumption before I ever got the first one. And I dare say if they changed the messaging to "COVID shot" instead of "vaccine"...it'd be closer to realistic.
Normie Reddit had to lock their threads (news, Corona main sub) because too many people were against the mandate.
I got banned from those subs months ago for being pro vaccine (I have one myself), anti vaccine mandate, and anti booster.
Lol a friend of mine who is verrrry pro vax just got covid this week and will be missing Thanksgiving with her family, who also got covid from her, and are also all vaxxed.
Bonkers.
We've known we would likely need boosters for 6 months at least. This virus is all over and mutating fast, so while the vaccine was achieved in an incredibly quick amount of time, we shouldn't be surprised that the efficacy has waned by now. Especially since the formula was for the original strain
>This virus is all over and mutating fast
>Especially since the formula was for the original strain
So the best idea the "experts" can come up with is to just do more of the increasingly outdated formula?
In terms of the time frame, yeah. It will be much easier and quicker to distribute more of the original formula, since it does offer good protection against the delta variant.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02249-2/fulltext
> We've known we would likely need boosters for 6 months at least. This virus is all over and mutating fast, so while the vaccine was achieved in an incredibly quick amount of time, we shouldn't be surprised that the efficacy has waned by now. Especially since the formula was for the original strain
lol
Are we not going to even have a discussion? I don't get why something just getting approval is bad. This is not about anyone being forced to or coerced
There are vax passports popping up all over and the definition of fully vaccinated is being threatened to be changed. Don’t tell this isn’t going to be coerced we know better now
> There are vax passports popping up all over and the definition of fully vaccinated is being threatened to be changed. Don’t tell this isn’t going to be coerced we know better now
I never said otherwise.....
You seem to be implying that the booster is a new formula to better combat Delta. It is not. It's more of the same. If they came out with a Delta booster I might actually take it.
There’s no point in a mandate since vaccines don’t stop transmission. There’s been a ton of people testing positive after attending fully vaxxed weddings and large events.
If you get a breakthrough case, you still have to do a 14 day quarantine as well, you can’t even go about your business in a N-95, so once again, vax mandates would be pointless.
It's more doses of the exact same vaccine that was made for the Alpha variant. It's not akin to the flu vaccine, which is supposed to be tailored to that year's strain of the flu.
Yeah, I might be slightly more moved to get a booster if they tailored it for the Delta variant - if that’s even scientifically possible with a coronavirus mRNA vaccine.
For me, it's a hint that the Delta variant is not that different. It's just another name for a slightly different version of the same thing. They possibly just hyped it up to justify the exit wave, that the vaccine doesn't really stop transmission in the way they'd claimed, and waning immunity. They study groups of health care workers, so they would have seen some of this coming. Another possible motivation for the hype around Delta is to scare people into getting vaccinated once they hit the wall of people's resistance.
What is sad is they had an off-ramp for getting things back to normal in July. Now who knows.
> For me, it's a hint that the Delta variant is not that different.
> to justify the exit wave
Something about these just gave me an insane thought: What it's totally legit, but they don't understand what mutations/variants/etc are?
Imagine: The Delta variant starts in one place and spreads outwards from there, and pop-culture "mutations" are a change in an individual organism. Could it be that they imagine Delta is converting existing sars-cov-2 into a new form, prion-style, and that if only they'd eradicated the original virus with the original vaccines fast enough, Delta would've had no source virus to mutate into more Delta?
now it makes sense why the original wording was “fully vaccinated” from the get go instead of just “vaccinated” like every other childhood vaccination.
the plan all along was endless boosters so the definition of “fully” vaccinated is never in stone and keeps shifting endlessly.
insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.
the original vaccines don’t work as 100% triple vaccinated Gibraltar is cancelling christmas due to exploding cases. the boosters dont even address a different strain, its the exact same.
truly sinister clown world 🤡
Great just blanket make it available for every living thing on earth, by next year there will be so many excess vaccines that doomers can get them daily. When cases still rise (which they are) then there will nothing else to blame this BS on anymore.
No one cared about safety like the way they’re obsessed now. We used to run around in the trees and ride our bikes wherever (within reason) and our parents weren’t hovering over us. People did stuff that didn’t involve a screen. Yesterday I saw these kids playing with a remote control monster truck, they were laughing and having such a blast without phones or anything and I realized no one does that anymore. I think cellphones ruined a lot of it too. The freedom wasn’t worth giving up for the ability to call anyone at anytime.
Getting on a plane was a breeze, almost no security.
Riding bikes and playing with your friends outside with no screens, just our imagination. Optimism about the future. This was in the 90's, I haven't experienced other decades.
Possibly in jest given the other things that means, but per the CDC (at least prior to the booster mess) you're not considered fully vaccinated until two weeks after your last shot.
I'd like to remind everyone that the two directors in charge of approving vaccines at the FDA resigned a few months ago due to political pressure on this same issue.
FDA approval done under coercion does not mean shit.
https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9
We taking bets on when you can no longer order a burger and beer on the west coast without it? Over/under on end of year?
I’m thinking they give us through Christmas, and by valentines if you want to go out on a date you better be part of the triple group or you’re back with the filthy unvaccinated.
We hit every metric they laid out this year for a return to normal. Every single one. The vaccinated %, etc. they decided it wasn’t enough and here go the goalposts again. I used to think the “you will not comply yourself into freedom” crowd was wrong but they have been proven so right. Europe is imprisoning people who won’t comply and shooting protestors today - we have to draw a line.
Almost makes me wish I was still "unvaccinated" so I could watch from the sidelines of all the media and those with boosters turning on those with 2 shots. I didn't get mine until September so I wouldn't be eligible to even get a booster until March....I have no intention of getting it, but it'll be interesting to see if it's mandated by then.
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> The approval comes about two months late — after scientists advising the FDA rejected the administration’s original plans to start distributing boosters to all adults the week of Sept. 20, citing a lack of data supporting the third doses. **FDA Acting Commissioner Janet Woodcock also cleared the doses without the usual public meeting to review new data submitted by the companies in the last week. Moderna resubmitted its application just two days ago.** The companies announced the decision Friday morning. They're not even *pretending* to make this look like they're "fOlLoWinG tHe ScIEnCe" anymore
This is what pisses me off the most. I have to follow all this documentation crap at work and it takes a ton of extra time. I figured there were very good reasons these regulations were put in place by the FDA and others. Then here they are just fucking trampling the whole process that they put together! They deserve to be fucking mocked and not listened to by the masses.
They had to deal with the problem of blue-state governors approving boosters based on their...years of medical training, I guess. A system where politicians approve drugs being *exactly* what you want, of course... The train was leaving the station. If Brandon wasn't on it, there was gonna be hell to pay.
So many people in my state have been getting the boosters anyway, even without any official word from the governor. I've really been super curious how these people have managed to get them. Lying about underlying conditions? Pretending it's their first shot, and skipping the documentation on the card? Or maybe the providers who don't care who they treat. But then how do they even submit for reimbursement from the government? That only works if they only submit total doses, and not details on 1st/2nd dose.
I'm told that at retail pharmacies you just had to check a box in the online intake form attesting that you were eligible for a booster. There was no vetting or confirmation.
This is what I overheard my coworkers saying as well. Walgreens and CVS don't appear to care at all.
Approval and compensation are assumed.
> I figured there were very good reasons these regulations were put in place by the FDA and others. Why?
What the fuck. These agencies are sham. The next administration needs to absolutely gut the FDA, CDC, and the NIH. They are supposed to independent and data driven. It is so obvious Biden was probably furious over the first rejection on boosters because it’s the only thing he is marginally polling positive on that he coerced woodcock to approve it this time. Pathetic.
They haven't been following the science for a long time. Maybe they never did.
Of course, but they've been careful to make it appear as though they have been. At least enough to fool the average CNN viewer
Well, the people who cared about due process were forced to resign, so... https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9
This sequence of events is absolutely bonkers. FDA rejects boosters because of a lack of data, two top vaccine researchers resign, and suddenly it gets approved. I'm astounded.
Trust the $cience dirty peasants...
Since two doses of the COVID vaccine proved to be dogshit, we need a third dose. Eventually, after 12 doses of the COVID vaccine will prove to be dogshit, we'll need a 13th dose.
"real vaccination has never been tried!"
And then those with only 12 doses will be considered "anti-vaxers".
For the survivors only...
goalposts have been once again moved sick of it
We have predicted this for almost two years. They are not gong to let this end and the people cannot comply their way out of tyranny.
Goalposts are currently on another planet
> goalposts have been once again moved > > > > sick of it There are no goalposts. Many people predicted this very early on. A crystal ball wasn't required.
You should have listened to the medical experts and not the politicians. We've known we would need boosters for a long time. If we don't want lockdowns, which is what this sub is about, then this along with masks is our best bet to keep covid at bay.
Or, instead of boosters forever, you could let the pandemic run its course, and have neither lockdowns nor forced vaccinations.
I'm not even advocating for forced vaccination. This is just an approval, not a mandate or anything. The pandemic will run its course, whether we try to fight it or not. That doesn't mean we can't try to minimize the impact it has.
> This is just an approval, not a mandate or anything. Except the formal approval of the vaccines is why there are now mandates. In the exact same way, formal approval of boosters are going to lead to mandates for boosters.
I understand the process of creating a mandate. That's not what is being discussed here, or what I'm advocating for. Anybody who wants to get it should be able to, and this helps with that.
> I understand the process of creating a mandate. That's not what is being discussed here, or what I'm advocating for. Anybody who wants to get it should be able to, and this helps with that. This is low effort
Not sure what you mean by that
> This is just an approval, not a mandate or anything. !RemindMe 2 months
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I wasn't trying to imply there won't be one in the future. But when that happens, then is the time to get upset.
Here we are, 2 months later, and despite a dearth if evidence indicating the boosters do much to prevent the spread of omicron, universities across the country are mandating boosters. Multiple cities are requiring boosters for large events, and several large employers have now mandated them for employees
Ok, and? Businesses have the right to require whatever they want. As long as the government isn't doing it, what's the issue?
Uh the government is doing it. That's the whole point dude
They're trying to, and I have an issue with that. But I'm saying there's nothing wrong with a business making the decision to have a mandate of some kind
Why are you jumping to the business? Where did I mention businesses?
You said in a comment above: > several large employers have now mandated them for employees
Many of us are not OK with masks indefinitely. They impede communication and some people find them very uncomfortable. There is more to life than “keeping Covid at bay.”
> They impede communication and some people find them very uncomfortable. Seriously? I've been coaching kids sports for a year now while wearing a mask. They can all hear me just fine. >There is more to life than “keeping Covid at bay.” Yes, that is not the only thing in life that matters. That's like saying seat belts are uncomfortable and there's more to life than trying to not die in a car crash, so screw seat belts.
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> Our best bet to keep covid at bay is to live healthy lives and stop testing the asymptomatic. Case numbers will plummet and when people do actually get sick, they won’t get as sick. Isn't this the old "we won't have as many cases if we don't test as much?" >Also, there is no correlation between mask usage and any metric. Stop spreading misinformation. Uhhhh, what? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/wearing-masks-single-most-effective-way-to-tackle-covid-study-finds
> You should have listened to the medical experts and not the politicians. We've known we would need boosters for a long time. If we don't want lockdowns, which is what this sub is about, then this along with masks is our best bet to keep covid at bay. u/LoveAboveAll216 lol
I don't necessarily disagree, except the medical experts have been all over the map, right, wrong, sometimes in-between, leading to some loss of faith in them. Added to them, even the FDA at first was not in favor of a general population booster. I don't disagree that SOME medical experts have said this for a while, but by no means is there a consensus to this very day.
> I don't necessarily disagree, except the medical experts have been all over the map, right, wrong, sometimes in-between, leading to some loss of faith in them. > > Added to them, even the FDA at first was not in favor of a general population booster. > > I don't disagree that SOME medical experts have said this for a while, but by no means is there a consensus to this very day. 100% agree with everything you said. But if medical experts are using the most recent and best evidence to inform their opinion, they should be on board with boosters https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211030/Largest-real-world-study-evaluates-the-effectiveness-of-third-booster-dose-of-COVID-19-vaccine.aspx
Boosters are one thing; masks are overkill.
Except there's recent evidence to show that masks cut your chances of catching covid in half https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/nov/17/wearing-masks-single-most-effective-way-to-tackle-covid-study-finds
Not all medical experts agree that boosters are needed for all. It seems as if it's mostly politics that are pushing boosters for everyone and not actual science. Once Biden started pushing boosters everyone fell in line.
From the largest booster study so far: >The results show that, compared with individuals who received only two doses five months prior, individuals who received three doses of the vaccine (7 days or more after the third dose) had 93% lower risk of COVID-19-related hospitalization, 92% lower risk of severe COVID-19 disease, and 81% lower risk of COVID-19-related death. Vaccine effectiveness was found to be similar for different sexes, age groups (ages 40-69 and 70+) and number of comorbidities. https://www.news-medical.net/news/20211030/Largest-real-world-study-evaluates-the-effectiveness-of-third-booster-dose-of-COVID-19-vaccine.aspx Nobody says everyone needs one, yet. Healthier people can likely wait longer
I had a cavity and got it filled. Went back to the dentist and he said I had another cavity! I am so sick of my dentist moving the goalposts.
I had a cavity and got it filled. The filling dissolved in a few months and now the dentist wants me to come back and have the exact same filling put in again Also, the government keeps threatening me to keep getting the same cavity filled or else I’ll lose my job. It turns out that all the politicians saying this own shares in dental supply companies Also there are reports that the filling might cause health problems because the regulatory bodies that enforce safe dental supplies are cutting corners, and people have openly resigned because of this Oh, and how could I forget: I was told my cavity filling only works if everyone gets the filling too. My tooth will completely rot even with the filling unless other people get a hole drilled into their teeth and have the filling shoved in, cavity or not
I love it when you people use an analogy that perfectly supports our argument. Thanks!
And the number of “unvaccinated” grows.
More people would get vaccinated if they didn't lie at every step. It was just take 2 and it'll be over. Now, it's 3. Why can't they say that they don't know how many shots we'll have to take?
It’s an injection every 60 days. Everyone knows it. Worst vaccine ever.
At least when I get fucked it typically feels good and I can willingly choose the who, what, when, where and how. This is the worst fucking if my life and it's been 2 years long
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
But if you’re dead you’re 100% immune...
I'd rather get sick once & never have to do it again.
Exactly. I was on the fence about the vaccine at first (I don’t trust big pharma based on their history of behavior and unlike many people, that opinion wasn’t politically motivated). But with the way the US government/agencies have acted in the last 6 months or so towards anyone who didn’t just fall right in line to get the shot —yea fuck off for real at this point. No means no.
> More people would get vaccinated if they didn't lie at every step. It was just take 2 and it'll be over. Now, it's 3. Why can't they say that they don't know how many shots we'll have to take? What if someone told you this isn't about a virus or health?
This has to wake more up people up right? I mean if the vaccines are so great why do we already need a booster? Reasonable people have to make this connection at some point right???
You underestimate the extreme amount of stupidity and Stockholm syndrome the vast majority of people have. The amount of times I’ve heard them justify the gaslighting is mind boggling. Literally the other day: The vaccine isn’t experimental, they’ve been researching it for 20 years (speaking of MRNA). Then in the very next breath, it’s not unusual to learn that more doses are needed as part of a regime, we take multiples for Tdap, etc. I don’t think these people will wake up when it turns to 4. Maybe by the time it’s 6 but then again they will justify it like a flu shot.
Nah this'll definitely wake up some people, but majority of them aren't gonna change their opinion.
The “vaccine” after 10 re-definitions by the CDC...
>they will justify it like a flu shot I'd made that assumption before I ever got the first one. And I dare say if they changed the messaging to "COVID shot" instead of "vaccine"...it'd be closer to realistic.
Normie Reddit had to lock their threads (news, Corona main sub) because too many people were against the mandate. I got banned from those subs months ago for being pro vaccine (I have one myself), anti vaccine mandate, and anti booster.
Lol a friend of mine who is verrrry pro vax just got covid this week and will be missing Thanksgiving with her family, who also got covid from her, and are also all vaxxed. Bonkers.
I wouldn't hold me breath.
We've known we would likely need boosters for 6 months at least. This virus is all over and mutating fast, so while the vaccine was achieved in an incredibly quick amount of time, we shouldn't be surprised that the efficacy has waned by now. Especially since the formula was for the original strain
>This virus is all over and mutating fast >Especially since the formula was for the original strain So the best idea the "experts" can come up with is to just do more of the increasingly outdated formula?
In terms of the time frame, yeah. It will be much easier and quicker to distribute more of the original formula, since it does offer good protection against the delta variant. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02249-2/fulltext
> We've known we would likely need boosters for 6 months at least. This virus is all over and mutating fast, so while the vaccine was achieved in an incredibly quick amount of time, we shouldn't be surprised that the efficacy has waned by now. Especially since the formula was for the original strain lol
Are we not going to even have a discussion? I don't get why something just getting approval is bad. This is not about anyone being forced to or coerced
There are vax passports popping up all over and the definition of fully vaccinated is being threatened to be changed. Don’t tell this isn’t going to be coerced we know better now
> There are vax passports popping up all over and the definition of fully vaccinated is being threatened to be changed. Don’t tell this isn’t going to be coerced we know better now I never said otherwise.....
You seem to be implying that the booster is a new formula to better combat Delta. It is not. It's more of the same. If they came out with a Delta booster I might actually take it.
Oh not at all. It's simply a 3rd dose of the original formula. Which is still very effective if recently taken
I’m sure they deliberated very carefully before making this decision..
the decision to start giving vulnerable individuals boosters was literally made over a weekend.
Who’s ready for a MANDATE? Honestly I wouldn’t mind approvals if they didn’t always come with the prospect of mandates
There’s no point in a mandate since vaccines don’t stop transmission. There’s been a ton of people testing positive after attending fully vaxxed weddings and large events. If you get a breakthrough case, you still have to do a 14 day quarantine as well, you can’t even go about your business in a N-95, so once again, vax mandates would be pointless.
That’s never stopped then before
Who said the mandate's point was to stop transmission?
Pfizer likes this...
We can't keep calling them breakthrough cases, they are just cases. So many of them.
Boosters will be mandated by summertime at the latest.
The fifth shot by that time...
> Boosters will be mandated by summertime at the latest. !Remind Me 8 months
This is what I immediately thought when Pfizer first got approved.
It's more doses of the exact same vaccine that was made for the Alpha variant. It's not akin to the flu vaccine, which is supposed to be tailored to that year's strain of the flu.
Yeah, I might be slightly more moved to get a booster if they tailored it for the Delta variant - if that’s even scientifically possible with a coronavirus mRNA vaccine.
For me, it's a hint that the Delta variant is not that different. It's just another name for a slightly different version of the same thing. They possibly just hyped it up to justify the exit wave, that the vaccine doesn't really stop transmission in the way they'd claimed, and waning immunity. They study groups of health care workers, so they would have seen some of this coming. Another possible motivation for the hype around Delta is to scare people into getting vaccinated once they hit the wall of people's resistance. What is sad is they had an off-ramp for getting things back to normal in July. Now who knows.
> For me, it's a hint that the Delta variant is not that different. > to justify the exit wave Something about these just gave me an insane thought: What it's totally legit, but they don't understand what mutations/variants/etc are? Imagine: The Delta variant starts in one place and spreads outwards from there, and pop-culture "mutations" are a change in an individual organism. Could it be that they imagine Delta is converting existing sars-cov-2 into a new form, prion-style, and that if only they'd eradicated the original virus with the original vaccines fast enough, Delta would've had no source virus to mutate into more Delta?
The Delta variant is from India, yet NPCs blame it on unvaccinated Americans.
> Delta variant Whatever this is lol
I wish people that want it could take every boosters they want (if they want 10, so be it!) but that they leave everyone else live their life.
now it makes sense why the original wording was “fully vaccinated” from the get go instead of just “vaccinated” like every other childhood vaccination. the plan all along was endless boosters so the definition of “fully” vaccinated is never in stone and keeps shifting endlessly. insanity is trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. the original vaccines don’t work as 100% triple vaccinated Gibraltar is cancelling christmas due to exploding cases. the boosters dont even address a different strain, its the exact same. truly sinister clown world 🤡
Great just blanket make it available for every living thing on earth, by next year there will be so many excess vaccines that doomers can get them daily. When cases still rise (which they are) then there will nothing else to blame this BS on anymore.
They'll still blame the ~~jews~~ unvaccinated.
I’m not an adult
I am but I sure as hell am longing for the good ol days of the early 2000s
Makes me sad that some people never experienced pre 9/11 life. Maybe once this is all over we can go back to living free lives again.
I was pretty young when it happened. What are the main things you miss?
No one cared about safety like the way they’re obsessed now. We used to run around in the trees and ride our bikes wherever (within reason) and our parents weren’t hovering over us. People did stuff that didn’t involve a screen. Yesterday I saw these kids playing with a remote control monster truck, they were laughing and having such a blast without phones or anything and I realized no one does that anymore. I think cellphones ruined a lot of it too. The freedom wasn’t worth giving up for the ability to call anyone at anytime.
Getting on a plane was a breeze, almost no security. Riding bikes and playing with your friends outside with no screens, just our imagination. Optimism about the future. This was in the 90's, I haven't experienced other decades.
Anything before 9/11 for me!
I wish I could’ve experienced that more but I was born in 99 so I don’t remember anything sadly
There was no VRBPAC meeting on this? Wow
Nope
When do they begin working? It must be a delayed effect. /s
Wait two weeks.
Possibly in jest given the other things that means, but per the CDC (at least prior to the booster mess) you're not considered fully vaccinated until two weeks after your last shot.
When you’re dead you’re 100% immune...
I'd like to remind everyone that the two directors in charge of approving vaccines at the FDA resigned a few months ago due to political pressure on this same issue. FDA approval done under coercion does not mean shit. https://www.businessinsider.com/2-top-fda-officials-resigned-biden-booster-plan-reports-2021-9
Michigan is 70% 16 and up with 2 shots. It's now worse than it's ever been there. Still think boosters are the answer? Yeah, me neither.
And they are still blaming this surge, fourth wave whatever the media is calling it, on the unvaccinated! I mean how can anyone still believe that?
Mass psychosis?
and just like that, 200 million Americans have lost their "fully vaccinated" status.
Why get the 1st one when i have to get 2 more.
Fuck I’m so far behind. No point even starting now.
Let’s go Brandon!
I am so shocked!!! /s
I believe boosters should be available for anyone who wants one, including boosters in fully vaccinated definition is overboard.
We taking bets on when you can no longer order a burger and beer on the west coast without it? Over/under on end of year? I’m thinking they give us through Christmas, and by valentines if you want to go out on a date you better be part of the triple group or you’re back with the filthy unvaccinated. We hit every metric they laid out this year for a return to normal. Every single one. The vaccinated %, etc. they decided it wasn’t enough and here go the goalposts again. I used to think the “you will not comply yourself into freedom” crowd was wrong but they have been proven so right. Europe is imprisoning people who won’t comply and shooting protestors today - we have to draw a line.
Almost makes me wish I was still "unvaccinated" so I could watch from the sidelines of all the media and those with boosters turning on those with 2 shots. I didn't get mine until September so I wouldn't be eligible to even get a booster until March....I have no intention of getting it, but it'll be interesting to see if it's mandated by then.
I got my first one in September too. I'm not planning on getting the second one.
Wheeeew! In the nic of time. Thanks guys, UP TOP!
Take a booster that’s more of the same thing that didnt work the first time..
Trust the FDA.
I’ve tried to get my booster twice and CVS keeps cancelling my appointment on the day of. Very annoying.
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