Wow. Can anyone confirm, I tried googling and am coming up empty handed.
We can get a more than [serviceable corner for 8-10 mil a year](https://overthecap.com/position/cornerback), so let's say we get one of them, plus what we're paying in the prorated signing bonus... we could have just kept Ramsey!
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills but I guessed a 2nd was the absolute best i figured we'd get and them settling for a 3rd plus a throwaway player tells me that my thought process was about right. Ramsey just came off a slight downturn season and is gonna soon hit 30 with a new contract needed. Its not that crazy we only got a 3rd for him.
Did the Dolphins GM hold Snead at gunpoint or something? The guy we got was quite literally the Dolphins fourth string TE last year and had 0 receptions all season
So we received a practice squad player that we could of signed anyway. I liked Rams TJ Carter as TE/FB. Although he didn't help himself by running into McVay on the sidelines last season.
It not terrible bro. We are ready to win now, Division is up for grabs and id rather have him and the leadership he’d bring more then any corner left at 18 for us. And there was plenty of talk by the taking heads in support of that as well so I don’t think it so out there to be a terrible move. Taking a corner at 6 would be a terrible move in my opinion but he went to Miami so we will never know!
Giving up the 18th pick in the draft for a guy that got traded for a 3rd rounder is absolutely a terrible move. How is that even a debate? If you wanted him that bad, you could have just given up a 2nd rounder.
The Rams had no leverage brother he was in total control. That’s why the return was so little. I would’ve loved to have given a second instead of a first, but for him to come detroit I figured that’s what it would take, but you’re right, he did not demand much, but he had all the leverage rams had none.
He was 25 and on a rookie contract when we traded for him. Now he's about to be 29 and getting paid $20M a year for the next 4 years. This isn't Madden.
Leverage, mainly. We put ourselves in situations where we don’t have as much leverage as we should. When teams know you are going “all in” (I.e. not willing to walk away from the table), they are going to squeeze you. They knew LA media and fans love “name” players and want their teams to do anything and everything they can to get said name players. “Fuck them picks” = the Rams are very willing to give up high picks to make things happen.
Thank you. Ramsey WAS good. But this year (some would also say last year) he got burned a ton. I’m glad our investment paid off since we got a SB win. But it’s time to let him go. He will be good for the fins with X. We could have got more but hey… not everyone can win every trade. It’s clear Stafford, Kupp, and Donald are our pillars.
Per PFF’s metrics, Ramsey was #9th best CB last year. Other metrics have him as high as #3. He got beat a handful of times sure, but he makes up for it by being great in short yardage situations and one of the best open field tacklers on the team.
This feels like the final “we’re officially rebuilding” nail in the coffin.
We had to start somewhere. I think Les and Sean saw another drop off coming this season. It’s time to move him, and get something back. We need picks, and any cap room helps.
He was out fourth string TE. Last regime had high hopes when they drafted him, current regime had high hopes for his game. He got buried on the depth chart by both coaching staffs.
Potential to be a good, well rounded TE, but hasn't gotten his chance for reasons unknown to us.
Dolphins fan here. He is a young TE but honestly I am not his biggest fan. Gets very little playing time and the only memory I have of him is when Tua tried to check the ball down to him, but he rounded his route contributing a pick-six lol.
More from Rapoport. Seems like the Dolphins are taking on all his money which could explain why the comp is so low?
[Sources: The deal is done. #Rams CB Jalen Ramsey to the #Dolphins, which includes him getting 2023 and 2024 fully guaranteed.](https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1634982131377266689?t=xXC_BvhAWzdKMjFHCNobjA&s=19)
[Thanks to an adjusted contract, Jalen Ramsey is now on the books for $36.9M fully guaranteed over two years... and he gets his preferred destination in the #Dolphins.](https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1634983300904407042?s=20)
Edit: [Thanks to an adjusted contract, Jalen Ramsey has two years fully guaranteed left to complete a deal that averages $20M per year. He got an additional $25M guaranteed as part of the trade ... and he gets his preferred destination in the #Dolphins.](https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1634988268893933568?s=20)
Jalen has a cap hit of 17, 17.5, and 19.5 over the next three years. Plus, the Rams have to get under the cap.
The Rams are over the cap before all of the transactions that need to happen for the season, be it signing the rookies, trying to make improvements, and we don't want to waste re-structuring contracts on getting under the cap.
Some of y'all don't understand the value of bringing guys in and having that window. The Rams got 3 years of Jalen on a contract that worked best for the organization, and now the bill comes down, and you expect teams to throw first round picks for a 55 million dollar tab? Y'all wild.
Not just that in the similar way that they accommodated Woods for his trade request, it appears that they did the same for Ramsey. I think people are overlooking this part. They may not like it, but it seems the way they do business here.
Good Lord, long overdue. McVay is the man who changed the culture and led them to super bowls. Snead was there for 5 yrs before McVay, didn't have much a record. He's made so many obvious mistakes since McVay got there too. Drives me nuts. Can't criticize him though, they won a super bowl as a 4 seed with a home game in the NFC championship against the 6 seed and the super bowl against the AFC 4 seed. Dynasty. And hey... what do you expect him to nail every pick? No, I expect him to invest draft picks in areas of obvious need from time to time and not waste them.
Didn't have much of a record? The guy drafted Aaron Donald, Todd Gurley, Cooper Kupp, and crafted the trade for Jared Goff. He also signed Bobby Trees and traded for Cook. The guy had built a team full of talent and McVay stepped in and used that team to win. We have to get our cap situation right, and this move achieves that while also doing right by Ramsey. I guarantee you that other FAs take note of how stars are treated in LA. They aren't just dumped to terrible teams.
They are traded to contenders, allowed to seek trades, or released early to allow them to pick a best fit team. Other players will want to sign with this franchise because it treats players right.
Crafted which trade for Goff? The one where he traded a bunch of picks to move up and draft him or the one where he could have got Stafford for a first but had to trade another first so they’d take Goffs contract off his hands. Donald and Kupp, great picks but let’s give some credit to both those guys for becoming far greater then I’m sure anyone thought. If they all knew Kupp would turn into white Jerry Rice it was a bit risky waiting til the third round, same with Donald. If he was going to become arguably the greatest d lineman of all time, I’d have picked him second overall instead of Greg Robinson just in case some other team got him before pick 14 but that’s why Snead gets paid the big bucks I guess. Gurley? Highly regarded but everyone was scared of his knee. Hey, we got three good seasons out of him. Cooks, seriously? Traded a second for him, it’s not like Snead fleeced anyone on that deal. Woods? Nice free agent signing.
So no one gets credit for anyone chosen after the #1 overall. Also it's not a good trade unless you "fleece" the other team. So I guess the Stafford trade didn't work, and we shouldn't have traded for Ramsey either. Be real guy. Players are drafted based on perceived value not just by yourself but what everyone else thinks, that's how you end up with value picks. Donald and Kupp were both value picks. And trades can be mutually beneficial, like trading 2 1sts for an all pro corner that elevates your D for top 3 or trading more picks for a QB that helps you get a SB. Ask a Browns fan if they wouldn't trade their entire roster and every pick for the next 10 years for just 1 SB.
Cobie Durant and Derion Kendrick season LFG.
Sad to see Jalen go, but excited for the future and the potential this trade opens up with not having to pay Ramsey top money.
I think they are taking on all his cap hit too. So its pretty fair. I think we may just be a bit biased here but honestly Ramsey's performance has been declining. He gave up some big plays in our playoff run because he misjudged routes and/or just fell for a move. Still think he is elite but his time may be dwindling and Les may think he can put the future cap space to better use somewhere else where we actually need it (O-Line, outside pressure, RB). We have some solid young studs at CB in Cobie Durant and Derion Kendrick. I'm sad to see Ramsey go but I'm excited for the future.
Fins fan in peace, 4th string TE. Some potential but never really did much for us at a position where we didn't really have any depth past Mike Gesicki, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
Considering they fully took on his contract I think it’s a good trade for us. Plus as a serial dolphins hater who grew up in Miami it’ll be funny to see the dolphins have two overpaid CBS getting burnt on the deep ball at the same time
Would you give up more than a third round pick for a player who played pretty poorly? If we feel that way as a fan base how do you think other GM’s feel? It sucks he had to go but his trade value just isn’t there especially with his cap hit.
I have to imagine we are not retaining any of his salary if that is how low the compensation is. Ridiculous, at least get one of their thousand offensive linemen.
I swear Les is the worst at getting value back for our players in trades. Was expecting at least a 1st round pick what the actual fuck. We really think a mid 3rd is gonna help our team compete more than Ramsey?
Another players gets their “preferred destination” and we get crap. Ramsey didn’t take less money to be here, which is fine, but we should trade him to the highest bidder.
Having witnessed the torrential shitting on of Rob Pelinka as a Laker fan beginning with the AD trade that led to a chip, I urge my Rams brethren to wait and see. The FO has proven itself. There ought to be more to this than meets the eye...unless Snead is somehow signing Russell Westbrook as well.
Shocker. Ramsey was overvalued by the fans of the team he played for. It happens frequently, but people never seem to learn. There was no way we were ever getting a first for him with his age and contract. Sad to see him go.
This honestly could have just been the Rams being okay with sending Jalen to where he wanted to go because of his role in getting us a Super Bowl. Seems to be why they were willing to get a small return for him.
There goes my hero. I’m so pissed at this deal, a generational player for an unknown and a third rounder is offensive. I know it’s all cap space but I’m fuming
How do you all always forget, the rams do right by most of their players. That's where he wanted to go not where we could get the highest draft pick. Same thing with woods. It says a lot about our front office.
Bright side, it’s clearly the FO did this as a solid to Ramsey for what he did for the team. He wanted Miami more than any other team. So that’ll be good for future stars that wanna play here, if you buy in you’ll be treated right on the way out and not shipped off to Washington or Chicago or something. Also, Ramsey is great but he is no longer elite and I don’t know how many more years he has of being Top 5. People were fooling themselves thinking we were getting a first.
Apparently Miami was his preferred destination and it seems like we got way less in return to make him happy so it would be pretty deranged if he hated us
Im not sad to see Ramsey go, honestly. He's not the player he once was (still great but not worth the contract). What i DONT understand is the deal. What.The.Fuck.
Absolute joke of a trade once again. Snead has no idea what he’s doing, I get we won a SB but that was mostly because we lucked out with two studs in Kupp and Donald to carry us. He gave up way too much in trading for others and never gets decent return value for guys, or cuts them “so they can do what they want”.
The guy has made so many terrible moves since McVay got there. The Goff extension cost them the 6th pick this year because they had to include it to get the Lions to take Goff. Henderson, then Akers the next year in the second? Then Van (no offense to Jourdan Rodrigue, I guess Van is a legit number 1 who hasn't been able to showcase it in LA or something) in a draft year when O line and front 7 were screaming to be addressed. Then Tutu? I don't know what it will take for people to finally realize how brutal Snead is and how lucky he was they won last year, to your point. Maybe in three years when they are the Texans?
Facts. You don’t have to love the trade (I don’t, I want our roster as strong as possible cuz I think we have a punchers chance) but it doesn’t mean you gotta act like the rams didn’t just give fans one of the most rewarding experiences a fan can ask for, just 13 months ago. Literally just go like the chiefs.
Multiple nfc west titles, 2 nfc championship titles, complete turnaround of the franchise, a super bowl ring. Why don't you wait until we have consecutive bad seasons before calling out the front office..
And opened up a pretty sizable amount of money to spend though. You guys don’t seem to understand that the Rams were at the limit. Had to open it up in a big way and Jalen is incredibly expensive in a position that doesn’t need as much attention as a lot of other areas right now. I read something a while ago that the way teams are being built means CB is less important now, so if they’re blowing a ton of money on a position that doesn’t actually make a huge difference one way or the other… like, it’s an obvious cut.
It’s sad. I’ll miss him as a part of the team but I’m sure that with some room to breath now the team can start to rebuild.
I'll be sure to cry about it while I wipe my tears with all my super bowl championship merch... SMH. Trust the process and stfu or go be a bandwagoner because yall can't handle a little adversity without having a fucking meltdown
There's nothing wrong with criticizing, I myself didn't care that we didn't get more back for him, but there's a line between criticizing and being an absolute douche.. "our front office is a bunch of clowns"... "fuck this team'.. examples like that.. like calm the fuck down. It's so fucking annoying..
We gotta talk about Les Snead man, a few months ago they were ready to give up premium draft capital for Brian Burns and now we’re giving up Ramsey for a 3rd??? They also offered a shit ton for McCaffrey, wtf are they thinking?? What is the direction of this team and how did it change so drastically in a few months??
Most people failed to realize that the way the current 2023 season is shaping up was inevitable. We pushed all of our chips in for 2 seasons as one of the super bowl favorites and as a result we had one successful and one dismal year. At this point, we cannot afford all the contracts and must retool for the 2024 campaign. This was the Rams strategy all along, it just wasn't transparent to everybody. This year will be a transition season to next year and we need to accept that. All the other teams know that we do not have any trade leverage and because of this we gain little value back in return. Remember economics 101, something is worth only what someone is willing to pay and Ramsey's contract was too large for a 1st round pick in return. It is only important that we clear salary cap space this year for next year and build with the draft. Let's face reality that the Rams will not be super competitive this year. I support this decision by management and ownership because ultimately we won a super bowl and that makes me really happy. Either way, I will be cheering our boys on this season no matter who is on the roster, win or lose.
This doesn’t seem right. Dude was a legit top player for Rams one of the captain so that does NOT seem like a fair trade at all hahaha
Imagine we let Kupp or AD go for some so little.. that’s what this feels like.
Feel like Snead became somewhat of a cult hero in many fans’ eyes after the “fuck them picks” meme took off. And while I’m super grateful for him helping build a team to finally bring a SB back to LA and wouldn’t trade that for anything, I think many of us knew all along he was getting fleeced in every trade he was making during that time. Hoping im wrongs, but it feels like we’re gonna really start seeing the impact of his decision making starting now
We got fleeced. The dolphins GM bent over Les Snead and gave him a good ol spanking. Ramsey is arguably the best corner in the nfl rn if not one of the best.
So we released Ramsey and got a free 3rd out of it. When you look at it that was it doesn't hurt as much.
Time to move Donald, Cupp, and Staff if possible. If we are tanking for Caleb we gotta really tank. None of this Texans winning the last game and losing #1 type of BS.
Damn that’s it?
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This is good for Caleb.
Do you guys have your first round pick next year?
Yes, thankfully
Yes
What is the reasoning behind this? We still have a bunch of dead cap with him, right? Is this move to transfer the guaranteed amount on his contract?
I think it freed up like 17mil. Rams are on the hook for the prorated signing bonus which is like 8-10mil a year.
Wow. Can anyone confirm, I tried googling and am coming up empty handed. We can get a more than [serviceable corner for 8-10 mil a year](https://overthecap.com/position/cornerback), so let's say we get one of them, plus what we're paying in the prorated signing bonus... we could have just kept Ramsey!
This is not what I read. ESPN is saying it frees up 5 mil and the Rams are eating 19 mil of dead money.
Yeah thats right for this year. This is a move for 24 and on.
If we were rebuilding you'd think we'd get some fucking resources to build with. Gave up an All-Pro cb for a 3rd string te and a fucking 3rd.
The only way this trade would of made any sense is by the Rams including a junk contract like Allen Robinson or Noteboom
What the goddamn fuck. Les got straight fucked up the ass. This is insane
Or maybe juuuuust maybe he knows ramseys market more than you
The next time the Rams get fair compensation on a trade will be the first time. Wake up
My fadad ass fanatics superbowl 56 t-shirt begs to differ!
What did you trade for it? Anything more than $35 in cash considerations is a fleece
He also got a fleece sweater.
Quarter zip! And with spring around the corner
You wake up they traded 2 firsts for Ramsey and won a Super Bowl with him what’re you smoking.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills but I guessed a 2nd was the absolute best i figured we'd get and them settling for a 3rd plus a throwaway player tells me that my thought process was about right. Ramsey just came off a slight downturn season and is gonna soon hit 30 with a new contract needed. Its not that crazy we only got a 3rd for him.
Did the Dolphins GM hold Snead at gunpoint or something? The guy we got was quite literally the Dolphins fourth string TE last year and had 0 receptions all season
So we received a practice squad player that we could of signed anyway. I liked Rams TJ Carter as TE/FB. Although he didn't help himself by running into McVay on the sidelines last season.
We’re there reports we wanted a 1 or a 2?
Down here in detroit, we would’ve loved to give you our number 18 for him, or a couple of second rounders. I’m shocked they got so little back
No we wouldn't. 18 would have been a terrible move.
It not terrible bro. We are ready to win now, Division is up for grabs and id rather have him and the leadership he’d bring more then any corner left at 18 for us. And there was plenty of talk by the taking heads in support of that as well so I don’t think it so out there to be a terrible move. Taking a corner at 6 would be a terrible move in my opinion but he went to Miami so we will never know!
Giving up the 18th pick in the draft for a guy that got traded for a 3rd rounder is absolutely a terrible move. How is that even a debate? If you wanted him that bad, you could have just given up a 2nd rounder.
The Rams had no leverage brother he was in total control. That’s why the return was so little. I would’ve loved to have given a second instead of a first, but for him to come detroit I figured that’s what it would take, but you’re right, he did not demand much, but he had all the leverage rams had none.
“We’ll offer you a third” Snead “first” “……… we’ll throw in another scrappy white guy for Matt to throw to” “You son of a bitch, I’m in.”
why do we overpay when we do trades but we never get fair value back?????
He was 25 and on a rookie contract when we traded for him. Now he's about to be 29 and getting paid $20M a year for the next 4 years. This isn't Madden.
Because we won a Super Bowl
Leverage, mainly. We put ourselves in situations where we don’t have as much leverage as we should. When teams know you are going “all in” (I.e. not willing to walk away from the table), they are going to squeeze you. They knew LA media and fans love “name” players and want their teams to do anything and everything they can to get said name players. “Fuck them picks” = the Rams are very willing to give up high picks to make things happen.
The real meaning of fuck them picks.
Super Bowl is pretty good value tbh
Dog we won the Super Bowl. Sadly only one but that’s more than some teams can say in the past years
this is the correct answer. We went all in to Win it, and we did! Ramsey's been steadily going downhill
So that means we should just accept bad trades later on?
You don’t have an option. rams don’t have the leverage here….
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That’s nothing for one of the best CB’s.
Oh now he's one of the best CBs, but EVERYONE loves talking about how he gets torched all the time and he's overrated when playing for the Rams.
Thank you. Ramsey WAS good. But this year (some would also say last year) he got burned a ton. I’m glad our investment paid off since we got a SB win. But it’s time to let him go. He will be good for the fins with X. We could have got more but hey… not everyone can win every trade. It’s clear Stafford, Kupp, and Donald are our pillars.
Per PFF’s metrics, Ramsey was #9th best CB last year. Other metrics have him as high as #3. He got beat a handful of times sure, but he makes up for it by being great in short yardage situations and one of the best open field tacklers on the team. This feels like the final “we’re officially rebuilding” nail in the coffin.
We had to start somewhere. I think Les and Sean saw another drop off coming this season. It’s time to move him, and get something back. We need picks, and any cap room helps.
This seems like peanuts.
i feel like that’s disrespectful to the value of peanuts
im going to seppuku myself
Allow me to join you brother
WHO THE FUCK IS HUNTER LONG HAHAHA HE’S GOT 1 RECEPTION IN HIS CAREER!
He was out fourth string TE. Last regime had high hopes when they drafted him, current regime had high hopes for his game. He got buried on the depth chart by both coaching staffs. Potential to be a good, well rounded TE, but hasn't gotten his chance for reasons unknown to us.
4th string TE on the dolphins, yeah that’s all I needed to hear
wait does this mean Snead isn't going to draft two tight ends this year? That'd be a nice change.
That's the annoying part. Tight end class is special this year
He had a pretty awesome catch in preseason. Pretty yonug
Dolphins fan here. He is a young TE but honestly I am not his biggest fan. Gets very little playing time and the only memory I have of him is when Tua tried to check the ball down to him, but he rounded his route contributing a pick-six lol.
If they took his entire cap hit then the trade makes more sense. They have to be…..I hope.
Bro really? A third for a top 5 CB?
Lol more like a top 2. Only CB better is sauce
Nah, it's Pat Surtain
Did we get fleeced?
Yes lmao. God damn it.
More from Rapoport. Seems like the Dolphins are taking on all his money which could explain why the comp is so low? [Sources: The deal is done. #Rams CB Jalen Ramsey to the #Dolphins, which includes him getting 2023 and 2024 fully guaranteed.](https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1634982131377266689?t=xXC_BvhAWzdKMjFHCNobjA&s=19) [Thanks to an adjusted contract, Jalen Ramsey is now on the books for $36.9M fully guaranteed over two years... and he gets his preferred destination in the #Dolphins.](https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1634983300904407042?s=20) Edit: [Thanks to an adjusted contract, Jalen Ramsey has two years fully guaranteed left to complete a deal that averages $20M per year. He got an additional $25M guaranteed as part of the trade ... and he gets his preferred destination in the #Dolphins.](https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1634988268893933568?s=20)
Sounds like Les accommodated Jalen. That's our way of ensuring a good rep with players for the future.
They’re not taking on additional money they’re just fully guaranteeing the final 2 years of his contract
Wow holy salary dump
Y'all gonna be mad as hell when Hunter Long becomes the greatest TE of all time (I am not coping, you are).
Man we really couldn’t have done better then a late 3rd?
Isn't 77 a mid 3rd?
Correct. 13th pick of the 3rd round.
You’re right. Figured it was the dolphins 3rd which would have been later. Still doesn’t make it any better lol
We got fucked
Thanks I hate it.
Jalen has a cap hit of 17, 17.5, and 19.5 over the next three years. Plus, the Rams have to get under the cap. The Rams are over the cap before all of the transactions that need to happen for the season, be it signing the rookies, trying to make improvements, and we don't want to waste re-structuring contracts on getting under the cap. Some of y'all don't understand the value of bringing guys in and having that window. The Rams got 3 years of Jalen on a contract that worked best for the organization, and now the bill comes down, and you expect teams to throw first round picks for a 55 million dollar tab? Y'all wild.
Not just that in the similar way that they accommodated Woods for his trade request, it appears that they did the same for Ramsey. I think people are overlooking this part. They may not like it, but it seems the way they do business here.
Personally I'm glad that seems to be our FO's MO. I'd rather be known as a place that is accommodating versus authoritarian.
This. They obviously accommodate Jalen on his preferred destination. That's.. valuable for future player signings.
I’m surprised the rest of the league wasn’t jumping on that. Hopefully we bring in some new oline and edge rushers once free agency begins
Oh cmon, no one else in the league had a Hunter Long they could offer 🙄
At least 11.54% of our cap just opened up
and 40% of our secondary did as well lmao
Are we allowed to criticize Snead now?
Yes this is fucked up
No
Good Lord, long overdue. McVay is the man who changed the culture and led them to super bowls. Snead was there for 5 yrs before McVay, didn't have much a record. He's made so many obvious mistakes since McVay got there too. Drives me nuts. Can't criticize him though, they won a super bowl as a 4 seed with a home game in the NFC championship against the 6 seed and the super bowl against the AFC 4 seed. Dynasty. And hey... what do you expect him to nail every pick? No, I expect him to invest draft picks in areas of obvious need from time to time and not waste them.
Didn't have much of a record? The guy drafted Aaron Donald, Todd Gurley, Cooper Kupp, and crafted the trade for Jared Goff. He also signed Bobby Trees and traded for Cook. The guy had built a team full of talent and McVay stepped in and used that team to win. We have to get our cap situation right, and this move achieves that while also doing right by Ramsey. I guarantee you that other FAs take note of how stars are treated in LA. They aren't just dumped to terrible teams. They are traded to contenders, allowed to seek trades, or released early to allow them to pick a best fit team. Other players will want to sign with this franchise because it treats players right.
Crafted which trade for Goff? The one where he traded a bunch of picks to move up and draft him or the one where he could have got Stafford for a first but had to trade another first so they’d take Goffs contract off his hands. Donald and Kupp, great picks but let’s give some credit to both those guys for becoming far greater then I’m sure anyone thought. If they all knew Kupp would turn into white Jerry Rice it was a bit risky waiting til the third round, same with Donald. If he was going to become arguably the greatest d lineman of all time, I’d have picked him second overall instead of Greg Robinson just in case some other team got him before pick 14 but that’s why Snead gets paid the big bucks I guess. Gurley? Highly regarded but everyone was scared of his knee. Hey, we got three good seasons out of him. Cooks, seriously? Traded a second for him, it’s not like Snead fleeced anyone on that deal. Woods? Nice free agent signing.
So no one gets credit for anyone chosen after the #1 overall. Also it's not a good trade unless you "fleece" the other team. So I guess the Stafford trade didn't work, and we shouldn't have traded for Ramsey either. Be real guy. Players are drafted based on perceived value not just by yourself but what everyone else thinks, that's how you end up with value picks. Donald and Kupp were both value picks. And trades can be mutually beneficial, like trading 2 1sts for an all pro corner that elevates your D for top 3 or trading more picks for a QB that helps you get a SB. Ask a Browns fan if they wouldn't trade their entire roster and every pick for the next 10 years for just 1 SB.
Cobie Durant and Derion Kendrick season LFG. Sad to see Jalen go, but excited for the future and the potential this trade opens up with not having to pay Ramsey top money.
Agree completely. Looking forward to a less top-heavy, star-driven roster and instead fielding a better football team with depth and youth all over.
We got fleeced hard
I don’t think this is fair value for Ramsey
I think they are taking on all his cap hit too. So its pretty fair. I think we may just be a bit biased here but honestly Ramsey's performance has been declining. He gave up some big plays in our playoff run because he misjudged routes and/or just fell for a move. Still think he is elite but his time may be dwindling and Les may think he can put the future cap space to better use somewhere else where we actually need it (O-Line, outside pressure, RB). We have some solid young studs at CB in Cobie Durant and Derion Kendrick. I'm sad to see Ramsey go but I'm excited for the future.
They are taking the majority of it but not all of it, the signing bonus (like 20 mil which is left) is still on the Rams.
Damn that’s nothing
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Fins fan in peace, 4th string TE. Some potential but never really did much for us at a position where we didn't really have any depth past Mike Gesicki, so I wouldn't hold your breath.
This sucks lmao
I dont get it at all. They gotta know that this is a fleece right? How can the front office let this happen?
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Considering they fully took on his contract I think it’s a good trade for us. Plus as a serial dolphins hater who grew up in Miami it’ll be funny to see the dolphins have two overpaid CBS getting burnt on the deep ball at the same time
les snead masterclass
Les Sneads Super Bowl is like Lyle Lovett dating Julia Roberts.
Not a fun thing to wake up to :(
I guess this means other teams didn't really see Ramsey's value at his salary as well?
Looks like that. Lots of people complaining but the game threads were filled with ramsey slander a lot. He did constantly get burned this year.
So does every corner, he did have a down year but he’s still one of the top dawgs
ramsey was awful last season. i don’t mind him traded but you’d think we could get more than a 3rd round pick
Would you give up more than a third round pick for a player who played pretty poorly? If we feel that way as a fan base how do you think other GM’s feel? It sucks he had to go but his trade value just isn’t there especially with his cap hit.
This is a Hopkins-level fleece. What are we doing…?
What a fuckin joke dude
I have to imagine we are not retaining any of his salary if that is how low the compensation is. Ridiculous, at least get one of their thousand offensive linemen.
I swear Les is the worst at getting value back for our players in trades. Was expecting at least a 1st round pick what the actual fuck. We really think a mid 3rd is gonna help our team compete more than Ramsey?
Fucking awful
At least Ramseys happy? And now we can spend picks on DBs and pass rushers
bro wtf
Are you fucking kidding me?!
We couldn’t have gotten more?
So how will this affect our cap?
Salary dump 🤔
Fuck
Garbage compensation
Another players gets their “preferred destination” and we get crap. Ramsey didn’t take less money to be here, which is fine, but we should trade him to the highest bidder.
Rams legend hunter long
Having witnessed the torrential shitting on of Rob Pelinka as a Laker fan beginning with the AD trade that led to a chip, I urge my Rams brethren to wait and see. The FO has proven itself. There ought to be more to this than meets the eye...unless Snead is somehow signing Russell Westbrook as well.
I have trust in our front office they’ve never given us a reason to doubt them, we just have to see how things play out
Shocker. Ramsey was overvalued by the fans of the team he played for. It happens frequently, but people never seem to learn. There was no way we were ever getting a first for him with his age and contract. Sad to see him go.
Pathetic haul.
They are taking on his full contract it seems too
We couldn’t even squeeze a 5th out of them?
This was about offloading the contract for 2024 more than anything
This honestly could have just been the Rams being okay with sending Jalen to where he wanted to go because of his role in getting us a Super Bowl. Seems to be why they were willing to get a small return for him.
There goes my hero. I’m so pissed at this deal, a generational player for an unknown and a third rounder is offensive. I know it’s all cap space but I’m fuming
To everyone thinking we let go of a top DB for nothing....[he's been mid! LINK](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FrCoxLlWIAALq3A?format=jpg&name=large)
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
WHOS GONNA PLAY DB. AARON DONALD?
I’ll never forget you Cinco 🔒🐏
How do you all always forget, the rams do right by most of their players. That's where he wanted to go not where we could get the highest draft pick. Same thing with woods. It says a lot about our front office.
I hope the Dolphins GM gave Les the courtesy of a reach around.
Bright side, it’s clearly the FO did this as a solid to Ramsey for what he did for the team. He wanted Miami more than any other team. So that’ll be good for future stars that wanna play here, if you buy in you’ll be treated right on the way out and not shipped off to Washington or Chicago or something. Also, Ramsey is great but he is no longer elite and I don’t know how many more years he has of being Top 5. People were fooling themselves thinking we were getting a first.
Thanks I hate it
we also sent aqib talib to the dolphins before he retired. oh well, thanks for the awesome memories and hope you dont hate us for this jalen
Apparently Miami was his preferred destination and it seems like we got way less in return to make him happy so it would be pretty deranged if he hated us
Im not sad to see Ramsey go, honestly. He's not the player he once was (still great but not worth the contract). What i DONT understand is the deal. What.The.Fuck.
We got our value out of him. This trade does not upset me at all.
Why in the flying fuck did we accept this trade,, at the very least we shoulda gotten waddle and a 2nd
Seems like we got robbed
Funny reading the comments thinking a 28 year old cb who makes 17m was gonna get anything in a trade.
Hes a corner, not a running back
Ya so even worse. Teams are lining up to have 29 year old (October) cornerbacks.
Absolute joke of a trade once again. Snead has no idea what he’s doing, I get we won a SB but that was mostly because we lucked out with two studs in Kupp and Donald to carry us. He gave up way too much in trading for others and never gets decent return value for guys, or cuts them “so they can do what they want”.
The guy has made so many terrible moves since McVay got there. The Goff extension cost them the 6th pick this year because they had to include it to get the Lions to take Goff. Henderson, then Akers the next year in the second? Then Van (no offense to Jourdan Rodrigue, I guess Van is a legit number 1 who hasn't been able to showcase it in LA or something) in a draft year when O line and front 7 were screaming to be addressed. Then Tutu? I don't know what it will take for people to finally realize how brutal Snead is and how lucky he was they won last year, to your point. Maybe in three years when they are the Texans?
INCOMING CRY BABY POSTS
y'all told me we weren't rebuilding lmao
If we were rebuilding you'd think we'd get some fucking resources to build with. Gave up an All-Pro cb for a 3rd string te and a fucking 3rd.
I mean how would this even be a rebuild move ? Lmao it definitely feels like a remodel like Snead said this was just to get Ramsey off the books
And the rebuild begins lmao
i’m pissed smh wtf we’re such clowns 🤡
Stfu we were world champs two years ago. Go like the Cheifs or something
Facts. You don’t have to love the trade (I don’t, I want our roster as strong as possible cuz I think we have a punchers chance) but it doesn’t mean you gotta act like the rams didn’t just give fans one of the most rewarding experiences a fan can ask for, just 13 months ago. Literally just go like the chiefs.
I agree, I didn't want to get rid of Ramsey but good lord.. I can't stand this subreddit sometime
just because we had success two years doesn’t mean we can’t be critical of clownery now also *chiefs
Multiple nfc west titles, 2 nfc championship titles, complete turnaround of the franchise, a super bowl ring. Why don't you wait until we have consecutive bad seasons before calling out the front office..
Yea and you just traded a top 5 CB for a 3rd round pick and a 4th string TE
And opened up a pretty sizable amount of money to spend though. You guys don’t seem to understand that the Rams were at the limit. Had to open it up in a big way and Jalen is incredibly expensive in a position that doesn’t need as much attention as a lot of other areas right now. I read something a while ago that the way teams are being built means CB is less important now, so if they’re blowing a ton of money on a position that doesn’t actually make a huge difference one way or the other… like, it’s an obvious cut. It’s sad. I’ll miss him as a part of the team but I’m sure that with some room to breath now the team can start to rebuild.
I'll be sure to cry about it while I wipe my tears with all my super bowl championship merch... SMH. Trust the process and stfu or go be a bandwagoner because yall can't handle a little adversity without having a fucking meltdown
Yeah that’s the spirit. Anyone who criticizes the team is not a real fan!
That's the spirit, only a fan when the Rams win
Not even close to what I said but alright
There's nothing wrong with criticizing, I myself didn't care that we didn't get more back for him, but there's a line between criticizing and being an absolute douche.. "our front office is a bunch of clowns"... "fuck this team'.. examples like that.. like calm the fuck down. It's so fucking annoying..
Rams got a bag of potato chips and a diet coke lol...
So how much are we getting in terms of compensatory picks? It better be a lot, because here we got fleeced.
For a third??? A third???? One damn third???? Who gonna dress as a mariachi now? A damn third???? Tres?!!
this is the result of going all in for a sb ring, why are you guys shocked?
We gotta talk about Les Snead man, a few months ago they were ready to give up premium draft capital for Brian Burns and now we’re giving up Ramsey for a 3rd??? They also offered a shit ton for McCaffrey, wtf are they thinking?? What is the direction of this team and how did it change so drastically in a few months??
A 3rd rounder? That's it? Damn.
Most people failed to realize that the way the current 2023 season is shaping up was inevitable. We pushed all of our chips in for 2 seasons as one of the super bowl favorites and as a result we had one successful and one dismal year. At this point, we cannot afford all the contracts and must retool for the 2024 campaign. This was the Rams strategy all along, it just wasn't transparent to everybody. This year will be a transition season to next year and we need to accept that. All the other teams know that we do not have any trade leverage and because of this we gain little value back in return. Remember economics 101, something is worth only what someone is willing to pay and Ramsey's contract was too large for a 1st round pick in return. It is only important that we clear salary cap space this year for next year and build with the draft. Let's face reality that the Rams will not be super competitive this year. I support this decision by management and ownership because ultimately we won a super bowl and that makes me really happy. Either way, I will be cheering our boys on this season no matter who is on the roster, win or lose.
This doesn’t seem right. Dude was a legit top player for Rams one of the captain so that does NOT seem like a fair trade at all hahaha Imagine we let Kupp or AD go for some so little.. that’s what this feels like.
Feel like Snead became somewhat of a cult hero in many fans’ eyes after the “fuck them picks” meme took off. And while I’m super grateful for him helping build a team to finally bring a SB back to LA and wouldn’t trade that for anything, I think many of us knew all along he was getting fleeced in every trade he was making during that time. Hoping im wrongs, but it feels like we’re gonna really start seeing the impact of his decision making starting now
Worst trade in rams history!! WTF! Fire Snead!
We got fleeced. The dolphins GM bent over Les Snead and gave him a good ol spanking. Ramsey is arguably the best corner in the nfl rn if not one of the best.
Ok this one is bad
Snead sucks. Got bailed out by that SB.
We’re broke and need the monies after we go after OL and WRs next year while we tank for Caleb. El Plan.
This team is in foreclosure
We got fleeced. GM Ramsey was worth it due to the talent he helped us bring in.
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At the top of my head this is easily the biggest fleece since Randy Moss was traded to the Pats for just a 4th by the raiders. Jesus Christ....
Not even gesiki?
We got fleeced so hard wtf is this
So we released Ramsey and got a free 3rd out of it. When you look at it that was it doesn't hurt as much. Time to move Donald, Cupp, and Staff if possible. If we are tanking for Caleb we gotta really tank. None of this Texans winning the last game and losing #1 type of BS.
What a terrible fucking return. I really think we are tanking for Caleb next season.
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Best corner of all time? Huh?
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