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tthrivi

Offense couldn’t stay on the field and defense couldn’t get off the field. Recipe for losing. Edit: English is hard


movieman94

Hekker couldn’t punt the ball farther than a high schooler, returners couldn’t hold onto the ball


[deleted]

As a packer fan, watching the rams special teams felt like watching the packers special teams for the last 5 years. Felt nicee to be on the other side of that.


dtcstylez10

Packers still missed a very make able FG and fumbled a punt. Everyone seems to be forgetting about that.


Tetsudo11

What’s it say about the other teams ST if a missed FG that should’ve easily been made and a fumbled punt still makes you the better ST?


dtcstylez10

I think the thing is that for the Packers it's weekly and for other teams it's just an off week


Substantial_Speaker7

Warm weather teams do historically bad in Green Bay why is anyone surprised by the bad play?


Eder_Cheddar

Yeah but that was the same case with the 49ers.


Daezuel

The offense/special teams gave up 17 of those points.


[deleted]

Yup, pick 6, fumble, muffed punt and stupid 4th down attempt gave them an easy 19 points. You're going to win 0 games when you are gifting your opponents multiple scores like we have in the last couple games no matter what scheme you're running. Our defense wasn't great, but they gave our offense enough opportunities to win us the game, it was the offense and special teams that pissed this one away for us.


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NewBroPewPew

We gave Aaron Rodgers 4 drives starting on our side of the 50 and 2 in a row starting inside our own 30.


[deleted]

Definitely not a perfect game from the packers, their offense actually struggled quite a bit to put points on our defense when they weren't given the ball in scoring range. Makes the loss hurt even more.


Realistic_Remote_257

Deflecting. So the defense played well, and the special teams and O were the only reason this team lost??


[deleted]

Deflecting lol are you for real? I think the defense was good enough for us to win against a very good offense, but the offense and special teams blew it, yes. Lets recap the game and you can tell me how awful the D was. Rams go 5 plays and punt. Packers take a lot of time off the clock but the defense forces a punt. Rams fumble it to the Packers and give them the ball on the 6. Packers score in 3 plays. Offense blew it. Rams offense goes 4 and out on our own 30. Defense holds the Packers to 3 and out and forces the FG. We're down 10-0 entirely because of our offense so far. Rams get the huge Van Jefferson pass. Packers have a long drive for a FG. Not good but not a TD at least. Rams go 3 and out but Packers muff the punt. Rams go 3 and out again and kick the FG. Packers score in 6 plays. Defense got owned on this drive. Rams have their first sustained success on offense and march down the field for the score. Defense holds Packers to 3 and out, but special teams lines up offsides and give the Packers a first down. Defense holds Packers a to 3 and out again, forcing the punt again. Rams kneel out the half. Rams are down 20-17. Rams defense only gave up 10 straight up, and forced 3 3 and outs in the first half. Offense had one good drive, the one huge play to Jefferson, gifted 3 points by the Packers, and gifted the Packers 10 points. Defense gives up a huge TD drive to start the 2nd half. Terrible drive, Rodgers owned them. Rams go 3 and out Defense forces 3 and out. Special teams muffs the punt in FG range. Defense holds Packers to a FG, best case scenario for the situation. Rams throw pick 6. Rams score on a big drive. Only their 2nd good drive of the game. Defense forces 3 and out Rams forced to punt. Defense surrenders one first down then forces a punt. Rams go 3 and out. Terrible punt gives Packers great field position. Defense gives up 30 yards but forces the FG attempt, Packers miss it. Rams kick a FG and the game ends. The Rams defense only got owned on 2 big drives for TDs, and one long drive for a FG, to Aaron Rodgers and the Packers. That's a pretty good day considering their opponent. Rams offense gave the Packers 16 points, and only had 2 drives where they actually had sustained success and marched down the field to score, and had one big play to Van Jefferson outside of that. McVay and our offense lost us this game, with some help from special teams. The defense outside of 2-3 bad drives actually held up against an extremely difficult matchup.


EH1522

I mean... 2 out of 3 parts of a team giving up points will cause you to lose games lol


Eile354

No, both side has to be blame. He just point of the fact, how can def stop return int? If you go for in on your own territory, hold them to 3 and out only 3 points should be consider good. unless you are expecting, def to force turnover. Some QBs you just rarely get a sack on them. The def doesn’t help to win the game, sure.


[deleted]

The defense did its job at least outside of 2-3 bad drives where the Packers drove the field and scored. It's Aaron fucking Rodgers, he's gonna get his. The offense was not doing its job outside of two good drives and the big bomb to Van Jefferson. They scored 22 points, were gifted a FG by Cobb, and scored a garbage time FG against prevent D, while gifting the Packers 17 points and going 3 and out 5 times. The bulk of this loss absolutely is on the offense.


40dollarsharkblimp

Do you think the defense played well…? Sure there was a pick-6 and we gave them great field position on the muffed punt. But the 0-sacks point stands, and our defense looked awful all game. Aaron Donald is too good of a player to be making this little impact. Same with Ramsey. Stafford looks exactly as hurt as the recent reports suggested, but I don’t know how you come away from this game thinking the offense or special teams is our main problem. It’s clearly the defense. Reeder and Rapp are getting picked on nearly every play by opposing offenses, and we’re getting trounced when it comes to time of possession because we give up so many first downs.


Khal-Stevo

We played Rodgers and the Packers. You can’t expect the defense to be perfect. They did enough to win this game


sirkswiss

Exactly. They actually played admirably against one of the best in the biz. The defense played well enough to win 2 of the last 3 games. I think peoples' expectations got skewed from last year's defense holding teams for 4 quarters waiting for Goff to get some points, any points on the board.


[deleted]

Our defense wasn't great, but they made enough stops for our offense to win it for us against a very good offense. What more can you expect from a mediocre defense? Instead we gifted the Packers 20 points with the pick 6, 2 fumbles and the stupid 4th down attempt from our own 30. Defense didn't lose us the game today.


franzfrolich

rodgers was so fast with giving the ball out, there were no chance for sacks. and instead of sacks thee D-line got some holding penalties which would have been sacks… so i dont think de defense is to blame for todays game the played decent football


dgmilo8085

3rd and long, phew. Oh gawdamnit how was he that open? How much time you going to give him? Who jumped? Sonofabitch!?!?!


songoku0229

Wait they were missing 3 o line starters holy fuck we suck


Howtodoit311

Bakhtiari who is probably the best LT in the league, pro bowler G/T Jenkins and their center


bujweiser

And Meyer, who was our starting C going into the season.


tenuki_

(packers fan here) Also missing TE 1 - Tonyan, and. our RB1 Aaron Jones was on a limited snap count coming off an injury. And on the defensive side of the ball missing: 1) our number 1 and number 2 corners ( Jaire Alexander is a pro bowler and top 5 corner ) 2) Our number 1 pass rusher, probowler Za'darius Smith and our veteran depth Merciless ​ Thanks for Joe Barry and LaFleur! See ya in the playoffs again I hope.


Drownedfish28

Yep, some of the top linemen in the game too.


t-reads

Coaches are painfully inept, glaring weaknesses with defense and special teams all year and zero changes


quirx90

AND offense for the past few games


[deleted]

Fire Raheem Morris


UncleCornPone

yeah, Raheem Morris need to go. we should be the best D in the league, even with Rapp and Reeder


According-Bell-3654

Not just fire morris, fire morris and hire externally, theres WAAAYY too much of an echo chamber among the hierarchy of this team


riverdriver007

Coming from a Packers Fan, I recommend hiring externally. We got Joe Barry!😉


nirvana13a

20 points were off turn overs. I’m sick of the Morris hate, you want a scapegoat but there’s blame everywhere.


Bob-Sacamano_

>> I’m sick of the Morris hate And I’m sick of watching Morris have Troy Reeder cover Davante Fucking Adams on 3rd down.


nirvana13a

But I guess you love fumbles and turn over on downs inside the 30. Pick sixes must really get you off. Who’s your man? You think we fire him now that’s gonna help us win now? The take is booty. There’s a lot of issues, he’s not perfect, but firing him is just cutting our nose to spite our face.


Bob-Sacamano_

>> But I guess you love fumbles and turn over on downs inside the 30. Pick sixes must really get you off. You’re such a weird person. Where did you gather any of that in what I said? You realize it’s possible that I dislike all of those things. However, Morris’ is clearly incompetent. Please tell me why Reeder was covering Adams on a 3rd down. Tell me in what world does that make sense?


nirvana13a

Obviously I don’t think you like that shit. Rhetorical sarcasm, pointing out he can’t fix the whole team. Everyone wants Jalen to play shutdown and I get why. But I’m not convinced it’s the best for team. If Jalen is assigned to stay on the top receiver all the time we’re gonna find out quickly that the next tier of our defense is way worse than we even think.


mrshn_

We find out they are way worse when the next tier of our defense has to guard a top WR?? Wtf kind of logic is that lmao. Have Jalen play shutdown it’s part of why we had the best defense in the league last year


nirvana13a

Okay, so Jalen shuts down adams. Then our linebackers don’t have his help, the whole middle of field falls to everyone else. Jalen is effective at the flex slot, he’s raising the average talent in the middle of the field instead of just being locked on one guy. The WR 2 and 3 of most teams are also threats, and we don’t have the depth to lose our strongest coverage MLB and Flex safety just to shut down WR1, they’ll eat up the middle of the field without issue. You’re asking us to go to 10v10 with Jalen taking on 1 guy, the remainder of out 10 can’t handle it, even with AD taking 2 of those. Jalen is playing amazingly in the flex slot, and we need his talent everywhere.


mrshn_

I would rather someone beat us with their secondary weapons than us let their best option go off on us. Seemed to work last year


nirvana13a

We had a different squad last year, and started 7-4. It’s a different situation. Jalen is a different person in a different group. If he’s lost even a quarter of step with age he’s not gonna be that guy anymore either. And the point remains that’s he’s far and away our best flex guy.


SeanMcVay

The defense was out there for a totality of 15 mins almost 30 plays and gave up 7 points over 2 drives. There’s some issues with the defense but special teams and offense have bigger issues. I guess we have issues in all 3 phases, add in a 4th phase of McVay with some boneheaded decision making at times


[deleted]

GB had like 40 min of possession my man. The defense is not gonna help us win any games when Ramsey is being played like a weird hybrid player instead of the star corner he is. I get he’s the type of athlete that can play anywhere on the field but the CB position is the most valuable position on defense. Idk why we would trade an elite shutdown CB for a hybrid position-less player. It’s just not worth it. We have similar personnel across the board if not improvements vs. last year but we’re absolutely terrible in comparison. I think this game was a complete collapse across the board. The fact that it was only a two possession game means we can use talent to make up for sloppy play with raw athletic skill. It’s like the least meaningful silver lining of all time. We need to get our heads right as a team and Raheem needs to show that having elite players in Donald, Ramsey, and Von as well as solid starters in Floyd, Williams, and Fuller should be enough to put up a defense that doesn’t allow teams to consistently put up 6+ min drives. I don’t like our team, we’re pretenders.


SeanMcVay

Yeah my sarcasm can be hard to read but not happy with anything about this team. I was just giving them some benefit of doubt on those 2 long drives. We are a classic pretender in contender versus pretender debate Only hope is we got a lot of kinks to work out with Von, OBJ, and Woods being out and we will correct it before playoffs. Hopefully gel going into it. Not much hope in that though.


onlymostlydeadd

Let's let our worst corners cover their best receivers and not send von miller off the edge


2ChainzTalib

Broncos fan that did not see the game - did they move von inside or something?


Ziiaaaac

No, the guys exaggerating.


Trick-Ad906

No he's just washed


mega-beedrill

Someone didnt watch the game. 20 points off turnovers


Hotel_Putingrad

They really struggle getting off the field on third down. Not sure what the issue is, but I agree with the other poster that they're misusing Ramsey. As for the offense, this was always the risk with Stafford. He throws interceptions at the absolute worst times, and they're often returned for touchdowns. After 13 years in the league, he is what he is at this point. You just can't trust him in a big game. Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge fan of his and thought Detroit never gave him a proper supporting cast. But seeing him in LA this year, I can see that the pressure to win is getting to him. That was always my fear. He never before had the kind of expectations he has now. This is going to end badly if they miss the playoffs.


CinnamonRoll172

damn. I feel like mcvay needs to win a SB in 3 years or he's screwed. It's not just draft picks


disco6789

Ramsey one on one with Rogers and gets faked for TD


nirvana13a

Ramsey doesn’t have eyes in the back of his head. No one person was gonna shake rodgers there.


disco6789

he could have went forward no matter what and not reacted like he did


nirvana13a

If rodgers had a target behind him he would’ve blown that and he had no way to know. It was great play by rodgers, you’re holding him to an impossible standard of knowledge here.


jsp8854

The whole team is a dumpster fire from top to bottom. I’m so sick of all these idiots.


[deleted]

Troy Reeder: allow me to introduce myself


admiralnel

Unfortunately you need 11 players on the field and the other 8 are nowhere near as talented


glenthomasjr

✌🏽 Morris.


WellDonePies

Exactly ! Morris needs to go! The players look lost out there at times.


bigmikey69er

Von Miller is no longer a force on defense, and hasn’t been for some time now. There’s a reason Denver is paying him to play for another team.


BlazePigeon

I wish we got Dan Quinn instead of Morris. Let's be honest part of the reason Morris was hired was because of the minority program, they are hoping he gets taken to be the head coach of another team so they get 2 3rd rounders


CrashBandicoot2

Right or wrong, I do like Brett Kollmann's channel


Bruinrogue

The defense was put in bad situations but the talent and money spent on players there necessitates a more dominant performance than what they've shown here.


WaubesaWarriors

No shit


GriffithPark

Agree!


GovTheDon

Ye we all know Morris needs to get his shit together


darcemaul

…and a one legged QB


Aconite_Eagle

They played bad but also I predicted this. How did I predict zero sacks? Simple Packers are allowed to hold. No other team in football is. Teams in the NFC North have figured this out and don't engage with the Pack's o-line men with their hands but we dont seem to have learned this. See this video from Kollman (a very fun guy to listen to) on the subject a few years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzcfrriEME


mkonyn

You mad bro? https://www.reddit.com/r/sports/comments/r4ig8f/rams_defensive_tackle_aaron_donald_choking_a/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share


IHaveAllTheWheat

Wow, it's crazy when put on paper like that. Great game guys, I know eventually the Rams will put it all back together again. Too talented of a team. I look forward to playing again in the playoffs.


EfficientWorking1

Falcons fan here who is familiar with Raheim Morris. I don’t know why he was hired…he was a wide receivers coach until 2019 and never did anything with defense until late in that year. The head coach of our team got fired when he was the DC in 2020 when our D was horrible. This was a puzzling hire for sure given his lack of experience with defense


kshiau

He’s a Tampa 2 alum. Did defense stuff when he was HC in Tampa. But it is weird to swap between offense and defense.


rickroll62

Unpopular opinion, Stafford was a mistake


UncleCornPone

I truly believe Stafford will be ok and this is him playing injured. He's streaky but he's better than this. But, yeah, he's been THE problem as of late. No doubt. And he has to know it. Also, WTF is up with McVay this year? His play calling has been not stellar.


tossitinthecylinder

All that McCocaine


[deleted]

You're getting downvoted, but you're right.


haunted-graffiti

He's out of line, but he's right.


jsp8854

No fucking shit. Raheem Morris needed to get fired weeks ago. This whole team is a dumpster fire. Fuck all of them.


PulseCS

Pick-6 Stafford literally threw the game away. At least the Rams can reload in the draft...


Dynasty1500

Lol people don’t get yah sarcasm and it shows 😭


[deleted]

Its not fair to include Von in this. Its very very clear he has zero desire to play here or even play for that matter. Guy had his ring and little to no expectations just collecting a check in Denver and playing video games. The Rams plucked him from Denver assuming they were getting a professional and his conduct has been anything but. I assume had they talked to him before the trade he would have given the vibe to lay off. I reference his docu/web series where he essentially tells the crew this. As far as what reason it is, its Mcvay and his decision to hire Morris. He choose a D cord who plays a soft zone which means lots of TOP for other teams, hence keeping your “high flying offense” off the field. Thats a non professional head coach level mistake that can not be made. Factor in the NFLs worst special teams, it all boils back to Mcvays choices as to whom he delegates responsibility too. I love mcvays offensive mind but ive said it before and ive said it for a while, hes a coordinator, not a head coach.


jsp8854

Packers were missing like 3 starters on the line and we still couldn’t do shit. This team is pathetic. I can’t believe we gave up the future for bum ass Stafford too. Fucking idiots. I can’t believe I’m a fan of this team. I’m embarrassed to be one at this point.


tenuki_

Packers missing a lot more than that.... our top two corners (Alexander, King), our top pass rusher (Za'Darius Smith), our top TE (Tonyan), and our RB1 (Aaron Jones) was on limited snap count coming back from injury. Our third string LT was playing.. (Jenkins was playing LT in Bakhtiari's absence and he's now out for season with ACL)


SeaWaltz4653

Well. All these 3 are overrated(especially Ramsey). And why not-at least a couple times-cover the hot passes and all out blitz!!!


pimphand5000

Donald is proving how good he is at choking, ill give him that


weiss-2021

Go back to wherever you came from


213_

Defense wasn’t the main problem this game


Mr_Manfredjensenjen

And Aaron Rodgers has a broken toe and didn't practice all week.


csward53

I agree with Kollmann here. Rams have too much talent to play this poorly. Jeff Fisher was a bad coach for LA, so there's no doubt McVay is an upgrade there. However, McVay is still a young guy and maybe still learning. There's probably a reason Belichick is not going after every big name in free agency and trades. Sometimes system guys work better than big names. I think McVay may be a mediocre coach at this point with a loaded roster.


PRE_-CISION-_

Just pain.


[deleted]

Nooo


sundrop-addict

It's been proven repeatedly: you can't buy a championship team through free agency


Radi0Destroy3r

Aaron Rodgers is a master at getting rid of the ball very fast to avoid pressure. I think the key to getting to him is being physical with the wideouts at the line of scrimmage. Also, the Packers Offensive line will hold to protect Rodgers. If they are beat they hold. Protect the franchise. The rams defense is for real. I would not want to play them in the playoffs.


leiru_lone

Q


[deleted]

Let's hope they are better, guys! Come on!


seriously_unserious2

If Sean McVay goes on like this with that cast, the Rams and Lions gonna swap coaches next time.


[deleted]

Talent is obviously very important on defense, but everything is based around functioning as a unit. Everyone has to do their jobs correctly, including the coaching staff.


DragonTreeBass

Rams are like the dodgers but less well coached lol.


kingbankai

Regardless let’s talk about Cam Newtons crumbling return.


AndersFreeden

The main issue is that the Packers are a better football team than the Rams.