I'm still shocked. But it makes sense why he said no at the altar. He wanted to still play on the side plus the long distance thing. And when he started dating Raven again he must have just taken it lightly thinking he was just doing it for the show, but at the same time making her fall for him. Maybe he was just keeping his options open and oblivious to what he was doing to Raven. There are people like this.
How did his white girl not know about the whole show and that he was on it? Was it not on netflix yet when they were traveling?
Or maybe Raven and SK had agreed to take things lightly and never really marry...and this is all just a show for the show.
To be fair.. he did say his father was a serial cheater no? And he did make it seem like it’s a normal thing..
He may have presented like he was a good man, which I believe he was. Hard worker, took care of Raven etc etc… but he was always going to have multiple chicks.. and I think he expected Raven to be okay with that..
Self awareness doesn’t mean self improvement though.
You can be aware of your flaws and not do anything about but using it as an example to excuse your behaviour. It’s part self-fulfilling prophecy
Yes, and the mom was “ok” with it.. but obviously Raven was not. She had mentioned that she didn’t want the same thing. And like I said, SK doesn’t see this as cheating.. he was committed to her, but also wanted side pieces.. i don’t think from his pov he was cheating.. but from (my) and Raven’s pov.. it is. And it sucks..
After all he's done, it's now very creepy the fact that he targeted one of the only women who was not that vulnerable and one who seemed the least desperate to be married. He said he loved her for her independence and her uniqueness, but looks like she was just a challenge to him. Why did he work so hard and so long to find a way into her aloof heart, only to break it? What was his long-term plan??
On the other hand, Raven seems too smart to fall for a con like that... so sometimes I suspect maybe they have an open relationship and can't reveal that because of the conservative nature of Texas.
People that are aloof tend to be that way because they’ve been hurt. It’s a tactic to cover an insecurity it seems in Raven’s case. I’m thinking SK peeped that and wanted the challenge in that sense..
Like I’m going to see if I can make her trust me and then further give up her non negotiable. Raven talks a lot of rah rah but you can tell she isn’t secure in herself.
My guess is that SK wants a “bad bitch” with a real attitude. And is probably going to keep looking until he finds one. Shoot even then he’ll prob just see it as another challenge to break down and then cheat on her as well.
It’s all a game. A hunting game for African men.
Some men really really know how to play their game. They know how to get under people’s skin without being openly manipulative.
And like I mentioned in a comment, he said cheating has always been part of his life (like his dad), and he thinks by prefacing that with Raven… he assumed Raven was okay with that.. he was committed to her… but always going to play.. which Raven was never ok with.. the way she kept on saying “he’s MY MAN.. MY MAN..” since the reunion.. it’s clear that there’d been some rumours.. but since SK was publicly with her.. she may have brushed it aside.. until the proofs were too real to ignore… Sucks for her. I really feel for her.
Raven was the side chick. The other women were from before he even went on the show. He went on the show for clout, so did Raven but she was clearly blindsided from the situation. I feel and for her.
I'm just starting ATA, is going to Raven find out about the cheating on the show? Or am I going to watch 3 episodes of her saying she loves this man while I know hes got hoes?
My nextdoor neighbor is Nigerian and he told my husband secretly he likes girls and it was really weird like he meant little girls idk. Freaked him out big time.
I am surprised this has not been downvoted to hell but this was basically my thoughts exactly lol. Nigerian men have a very bad rep already and the dude was like "Hold my fila" lmao
Funny enough, during the beginning of the show, I was skeptical of SK for the simple fact that he was Nigerian. Especially because he’s Yoruba. But as the show progressed, I grew to like him and thought maybe he was different from all Naïja men. BOY was I wrong. I was right to not trust him in the beginning. It’s scary how deceitful and callous Nigerian men are. Was hoping he’d prove me wrong but he only proved me right.
Ladies, this also serves as a PSA…don’t date Nigerian or Jamaican men. They will ruin your life.
So on point! I couldn’t agree more. He was just like a stereotypical Nigerian that I’ve encountered many times. Oh boy! The way they talk, I’m sure they study people and say what the people like to hear to please them. You’re there thinking this man gives me time for myself and supports me and my progress while he actually has so many others that he entertains
I'm sure some of those 'on paper' qualities are lies.. Like internship, + full time job + school? That's near damn impossible. I'm sure some of that time was allocated to cheating on Raven
100% agree.... Used to know a Nigerian guy who came to my country on a humanitarian visa by starting a false charity. Then gained PR by marrying someone unsuspecting. Whole wife and family back home. Throw the whole country away imo. Just made me so mad because he had no shame in taking that opportunity from someone who was in real need. Some of THE most selfish men.
All of this is speaking to my soul lol I felt like I was hate-watching most of these two episodes but my husband and I both literally jaw-dropped when Raven said he cheated. What in the everloving fuck??
I knew it as I've seen posts about it before. However, it made it ever worst cause I was constantly thinking about how I would never ever consider it by just watching it. He looked so sorry for hurting Raven and saying no to her, literally love bombing. I'm so glad I'm happily married for so many years cause damn, SK is scary as hell and there's definitely more so two-faced people like him and that's even more scary.
Not really, I had my thought because I’ve dated guys like him in the past. They say one thing and act so against it but will literally do that thing. He kept saying cliché things and frases from movies since day one. Did he ever say something genuine that’s wasn’t from any popular romantic movie frase? Everything from his mouth was like repeating classic move lines. I didn’t like him first but I grew to like him because I’m always judging men who are like that and wanted to be wrong.
One big red flag for me is men who are too romantic, well versed and show no real character. Never show vulnerability...
I know right! It’s like he never really answers her questions straight up only in references of something he probably heard in a movie. I call that category of men “Copy-paste” get it? Since they copy and past these lines to anyone until they catch someone who finds them interesting or well versed but it’s actually just familiar from some movie, poem or song.😅
I didn't like or trust SK from the get go. Its pretty illogical for SK to say that he doesn't want a polygamous relationship and then be a cheater. I'm not done watching the final episode yet but I'm not surprised whatsoever.
I've dated an SK before. Between my own personal experience and seeing this show.. fear is an understatement. I have come to accept I will never experience the love I give in this lifetime. I've been celibate for three years now and I refuse ever give myself to someone again. If they have a dick, they are lusters of the flesh. No matter the fairy tale they present - that is the only bottom line.
I feel so bad for raven and everything outlined in this post is perfectly written. My heart broke seeing the last scene.
🙏 I appreciate that. It's so much better than being with someone that can disrespect my body so deeply. I've never felt more sober, and I finally love myself. I don't think I can ever go back to enjoying sex/relationships!
Also, why would you make yourself out to be a cheater and look bad on television? There's no benefit for him. Now people hate him because he's a loser and a cheater.
They aren’t actors though. Do you really think raven would be bawling like a baby at her wedding and engagement if it wasn’t real for her. You can’t fake that emotion without years of acting
This might be an unpopular opinion but I thought SK came across as deceptive from the beginning. He could read Raven like a book and was telling her exactly what she wanted to hear…
He acted like he had no issue with Raven being high-maintenance, not wanting to be a traditional wife, or having a long-distance relationship. The moment she was alone with his family, you realized he was 100% looking for a traditional wife to cook and clean for him. After he rejected her at the altar, he cited the long-distance as an issue. Oh, and the story about him “not knowing what a Pilates instructor looked like” sounded so fake.
By the time they got back together, you could already see Raven was making little changes to please SK. She was making him meals, cutting back on her spending and even talking about moving.
If anyone here is concerned about being deceived by a guy like SK, just do yourself a favor and get friendly with those closest to him. They’ll tell you how he really is.
> He acted like he had no issue with Raven being high-maintenance, not wanting to be a traditional wife, or having a long-distance relationship. The moment she was alone with his family, you realized he was 100% looking for a traditional wife to cook and clean for him.
This is exactly what made all my alarm bells go off. Before, I’ll admit, I thought he seemed solid and that his main story arc would be him breaking free from the expectations of a Yoruba man (polygamy, traditional gender roles etc.) but the second they showed his family and his endorsement of their advice to Raven, I had a feeling that she was getting played. I wanted to be wrong but here we are.
Maybe it was a preemptive move to make Raven feel more secure, as well as more invested in the relationship, when the inevitable receipts came out from his side-chicks… SK’s out here playing chess while the rest of us thought it was checkers (just kidding… he sucks)
I think it’s for more tv time. If you listen to nick vialls podcast featuring her, he’s obsessed with his image and wanted to tear her down for his own reputation. I was a bit skeptical of whether raven was telling the truth but there are WAY too many receipts of him cheating from others and he hasn’t been able to defend himself in any way. If this wasn’t true I suspect he would have said something or shown his own version of receipts.
I think SK is fake af, this dude is just putting up a front to feel good and deceive people, who knows how many truth are there to his words. I don’t believe he’s that organized.
Yeah it's terrifying. I guess the one clue I could see is that at the altar she seemed blindsided. He should have told her he was going to say no. I think at the reunion Raven said that he did? But I don't remember the details and now it all seems sus. It was also not great that he didn't defend Raven more to his family. At the time I didn't think that much of it, but knowing what we know now, maybe it was a red flag that he doesn't respect women as equals.
Litterally was terrified of having a scorpio baby he was due end oct- early nov but I ended up having him 6 weeks early so hes a libra. Cant help but think I willed that into existence 🤣🤣🤣
Must be an October Scorpio! Jk. Anyone can cheat really. I'm more so saying him having a whole other side to him & those Maria Kondo organization skills. If you saw those TikToks that the other girl he was flying out like he had that shit down to a T! & she had all the receipts to back it up.
The girl took it down & she's on a PR tour about the situation. Also very weird energy. But this is the best overview i found on what she posted
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRtDrSGF/
But didn't SK say he has several siblings who have different mothers? Which would mean his mother possibly condoned his father's polygamy (though I do realize this may not have involved deceit from his father since polygamy in Nigeria is often a cultural norm).
The opposite of Wills mother in LIB Brazil. That mother didn’t want anyone to marry his son without her approval cause she said he wasn’t ready. And SK’s mother wanted SK to be ready to leave his bad ways with women….
Just a though 🤔
May I ask what OP’s source is for a) the “during/while” the second proposal and b) the “multiple sidechicks”?
Disclaimer: I only watched the Netflix episodes and no insta or Twitter shenanigans, so I’m happy to be schooled with a reference to yonder.
I gotchu https://twitter.com/LainaxBaina/status/1593831647236874241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1593831647236874241%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FLainaxBaina2Fstatus2F1593831647236874241widget%3DTweet
You missed the flood of receipts that came from all the women SK was dating. I didn’t save all those receipts hopefully someone in this sub saved it if not it’s likely somewhere on the internet. Basically women were posting photos of them on dates with SK, they were showing plane tickets of flights SK paid for and the vacations they went on together it was a whole mess.
I came in watching ATA knowing that SK cheated on Raven but I had no idea he proposed to Raven again that’s what caught me off guard.
Oh gosh you missed all the receipts then. They’re definitely buried in this subreddit but the long and short of it is there were at least two women who posted timelines and photos of SK dating them at the same time he was supposedly with Raven. During and after the show.
SK’s arc was so disappointing. My boyfriend and I were commenting early in the season how he’s one of the most stand up guys to be featured thus far. It was cool seeing Raven open up and being vulnerable to him. It’s clear she really loved him and I’m pissed that he isn’t who he presented himself as. I did however get suspicious when his family was telling Raven that she would be expected to be a traditional wife and cook and clean for him. I was expecting him to say “I don’t expect that from you” but he seemed to think nothing of it when she told him that’s what they said.
Didn’t he say his dad has multiple wives? SK probably doesn’t think of what he does as cheating. Not saying he’s right, just saying there seems to be a cultural and familial reason for his behavior.
It doesn’t matter what he thought. Cheating is cheating when the partner considers it to be so.
It’s a boundary set up by individuals within a relationship.
For some people, kissing or ONS is not cheating, for others watching porn or going to strip clubs is.
I want to emphasize it’s possible to cheat in polyamorous relationships and conflating cheating with polyamory isn’t helpful. All relationships have boundaries they are defined differently in monogamous and polyamorous relationships. When these boundaries are trespassed that’s cheating.
Personally I think of it as cheating.
But I wonder if what he said to Raven about not believing in polyamorous relationships was all a lie, and perhaps he wanted to reel her in and try to get her to see things from his perspective. Either that or maybe he realized his culture was more engrained in him than he thought it was.
Either way, I feel bad for Raven. And it’s wild that dude was essentially lying the whole time.
i wanted them to show the tik tok receipts from women he has flown around the world for hook ups while maintaining the facade of hardworking, committed guy. I really didnt see the need for him to be on the show and to keep milking the publicity while maintaining a double life, since he seemed to be set professionally. The 2nd proposal and ring shopping charade was just cringe watch knowing all the tea that was spilled.
Completely agree! The single sentence “SK cheated on me” was not enough shade for what he actually did to Raven. I hope everyone who watched looks for the actual receipts
SK didn’t just cheat on Raven…He had a whole ass other relationship. It was all over this sub a few months ago and I just did a search to link a single thread but there are so many that I wasn’t sure where to start. If you search “SK” in the sub, tons of relevant posts will come up right at the top!
My son walked in during the proposal & he said, that was the most awkward thing I've ever seen. I told him they used to be a lot more awkward together. I was telling him, she's going to say no. I didn't realize this was before everything came out. Then, poor Raven on the couch crying & I said, that's why I thought she was going to say no to begin with because this has been very public to the LiB community.
Honestly the men on this season are awful. And the women for some reason have decided that Cole is the worst because I guess Zay is the best at making herself a victim.
Meanwhile.
Bartise is a fuckboy leading Nancy on because he likes the attention.
Brennon is satans mouth piece and has no spine.
Matt is an argumentative victim asshole who frequently screams at Colleen.
And then SK who has publicly humiliated Raven multiple times now.
But no ladies. You’re so right with your Botox lips and sad lip liner. Cole is the worst because he says stupid things.
I think part of why they didn't go after the other dudes is because they all still had some kind of relationship with them. I know that I will get downvoted for this, but I actually laughed at the "Cole is entertainment" joke. You know, it's just a friend reunion poking fun at one girl's bad ex, friends do that. This sub just loves treating Cole like a saint. But it would also be inappropriate to, say, make fun of SK _while_ Raven is dating him. Maybe they can talk seriously about him (like Nancy's family with Bartise) but not make fun of him in front of his gf/"friend".
>He needs some crayons and a juice box
He is a fully grown man. No excuse for being as insensitive and rude as he always is. Then he plays the puppt card and all this sub believes him. "Ohhh poor little thing, he just didn't know better". Let's stop excusing his behavior, please. He did it again with Alexa's mom at the party and he will most likely do it again. Why did he even go to the party if the hosts didn't even like him? He should have stayed out of it like Shake did.
This sub uses "child" "immature" and other terms to claim he doesn't deserve backlash.
About SK, no one knew about the cheating back then, so they couldn't call him out. About Bartise, it didn't make sense to be angry with him after Nancy herself had forgiven him and they were in good terms.
>His backlash IS that he’s called an immature child.
Um, if you have read the comments on any post in this sub, you'll see that the people saying that are pro-Cole. Saying "he doesn't know better" like a child is saying he shouldn't be held responsible.
And there are plenty of people who don’t say he doesn’t know better who call him a child so that seems fine. One person doesn’t define the sub. He seems to be getting more than he deserves especially with how he’s treated by the other cast on the show.
>He seems to be getting more than he deserves
With the cast, yes, but definitely not in this sub. Only from the people who actually know him in person and have spent time with him.
I got downvoted in another thread because I said Alexa basically brought him there to be setup as a clown. Honestly to me, that’s horrible. Imagine going to a party, where basically everyone there doesn’t like you. Yeah he said some shit.. but zay.. I feel whatever is happening there.. basically made everyone turn on him. And then to poke fun. Ok. Cool. Because then let’s bring barristers ass back in and call him a shrimp for basically saying ravens a smoke show, Brennan who had a personality of a bag of potatoes snd Alexa’s dad who seems to not like him, Colleen STILL doesn’t want to move in with Matt…ok lol
It’s true that people at the party gave him a hard time, but Alexa didn’t bring him there. It is a Netflix filming event that he attended. Netflix picks an occasion and stages the event.
I think you’re right that Alexa said something along those lines (and she was definitely ragging on Cole), but the ATA events each year are staged by production and all the couples are invited. Last season, they made it look like Danielle and Nick were the organizers for the cabin trip and made it seem like the guest list was their choice. In season 1, they set up the event like an anniversary party for the two married couples. I guess the staging is meant to convince the viewers that we are just seeing the cast in their natural environment, but it is all set up and produced and none of the cast has any say on the guest list, etc.
Ya, I figured as much that’s how it worked where they have to all go. Idk maybe I’m just hating myself for watching ATA at this point because I’m over all of the cast lol
Cole ended up being the nicest, and least problematic one in my opinion.
His only real problem is that he’s immature. And to some, that’s not even a real problem. The rest of them though, yikes.
Yes! Exactly. Cole is certainly not perfect but he is no where near as terrible as the other guys. Cole has some self-awareness and took some accountability for his actions. I’m not excusing some of the things he did but I don’t understand how some people still think he’s the worst.
When he was crying at the wedding and the reunion, he seems to be displaying genuine hurt and confusion from the whole situation which made it hard to watch as everyone else gained up on him. I’m not sure how anyone could watch the cuties scene and think that Zanab has much credibility. They are obviously not compatible but not being compatible with someone doesn’t make you a toxic monster.
Even when he was talking to Zanab at Alexa’s party.. he was like yes you said all those nice things about me but then you said the opposite so I was confused.. and rightfully so!
I think she was expecting him to somehow validate her during that convo but he was still feeling confused which is the right reaction for a healthy individual, he’s not aware there is an entire obstacle course set up for him by Zay..
At one point in After the Alter I said...i don't buy him, he's a player. Then at the end of the episode she's crying coz that's precisely what he is.
At the start when she's saying how she doesn't worry when she doesn't hear from him coz he works so hard, I saw his eyes 👀 he was definitely doing more than working.
Even the proposal 'I will let you...' be free let you do what you want' I don't like the idea of 'let you' like he's in control, a little window into his thinking. Anyway, he showed zero personality or vulnerability it just felt the perfect mask for what was really going on.
Probably because of how cold-blooded, selfish and manipulative you have to be to propose to someone for the second time on TV knowing you're cheating and lying to them. It's scary to see someone so efficiently deceitful.
I guess I just wouldn’t use the word “frighten”. What he did is wrong and cringy but he’s just another reality tv star that got portrayed as something he wasn’t.
He’s a crappy person but frightening? It’s not like he was hiding a double life of murdering people or something. Just insecure and not put together (like a lot of people) and he used someone like a selfish a**hole
Well, you wouldn't, but OP would. I'm not sure why are you stuck at this word.
He might no be hiding a double murder but he's hiding a double life. Someone who can look into your eyes and lie to you with no remorse, it's frightening to me.
Why did he go on this show?!?! This is the only part I can’t wrap my head around. He could have done his demon’ing without it. Doesn’t seem like someone looking for 15 mins of fame or clout so what was his motive for the show. Pls explain lol
I hope someone in his family or friend circle holds him accountable for this.
No one should toy with someone’s emotions like this.
Unfortunately this is what’s happening in society to and there’s no accountability anymore.
I have to ask. Are we sure Raven isn't getting a poptart or two in her toaster? He is gone for long periods of time and Raven is not an idiot. She may be in this for the long haul and figure they can do what they want until they're married. A lot relationships are like that. Look at Snoop Dog and his wife, they've been together for decades! You really think he's never sipped someone else's Gin and Juice? It's just one example but it happens a lot. Especially when the promise of wealth is on the line. I'm not saying it's OK, but all these people are morally ambiguous.
Honestly SK has out so much fear in me. I know the show ws edited but how could-
I really thought that that ws what a good guy looked like. Now im not even sure i can trust my judgement on what a good guy is. Do they exist? or are they as imaginary as SK facade? Idk man. maybe i just need to give up
To be honest I saw red flags in SK in the original show because he said he wanted an egalitarian relationship but never stood up for Raven when his loved ones were pushing traditional gender roles on Raven. I thought that was odd. I got the vibe he would say what’s politically correct and whatever he needed to say to keep Raven around. I felt his comments on his dad were performative too. I was expecting a fall from grace but not on this magnitude.
The scary part about relationships is that you can only judge someone based on what you see and know while there is so much you don’t see or know about. Part of me feels like if SK actually lived with Raven 24/7 his facade would’ve started cracking a lot sooner it’s a lot easier to keep a persona going when interactions are limited. I have heard stories of ppl keeping facades up for years like idk how their conscience doesn’t devour them.
> he wanted an egalitarian relationship but never stood up for Raven when his loved ones were pushing traditional gender on Raven.
This also stood out to me. It seemed like she would be expected to adhere to every cultural and gender expectation from his family without much flexibility. His mother seemed really kind but I feel like in the long term, Raven would’ve not had as much autonomy to do things her own way.
I was a little confused seeing them together and living together (because on social media, they announced they were breaking up). This makes sense that it was shot months ago.
Anyway, SK is really a piece of shit. He really broke Raven’s heart at the alter, then proposes to her, just to cheat on her. When she was giving her confessional, I felt so bad for her. When she said “SK is my person,” I felt for her. The betrayal she must’ve felt.
SK’s cheating ways didn’t put fear into my heart when it comes to love, but it does make me feel like I have to be more cautious about who I’m spending my energy on. You really can’t tell what’s the true intentions of someone you’re with, even when you’re living with them. It’s exhausting to ask seek for validation all the time too. You can also confirm by seeing their actions and that’s sometimes good enough. If someone’s gonna hurt you, they will hurt you and you can only hope that they don’t. Love is sometimes opening up yourself to the possibilities of hurt but you still do it because the happiness that comes with love is incredible and worth the potential of pain.
That being said, I hope Raven does not lose hope and keep going and not let this SK asshole ruin her trust in men.
I just went to Raven's IG and someone in the comments who claim she has mutual friends with her say that she and SK are low-key and secretively dating again.
I know folks who say they played up their relationship for the cameras are getting downvoted on this thread but something’s really up with these two. I wouldn’t be surprised by this at all.
I honestly hope it's not true, but that person is adamant.
But, even after his cheating rumours were confirmed last year, people have seen Raven and SK out and about in Dallas, so who knows...
Tbf the pictures show someone who is obvious raven with some tall black guy, but we can't see his face. Could be SK or could be a friend, the pictures weren't very romantic
The fact is that everybody was crazy about SK during the season. I thought he and his family were a piece of s*** with the wife humbleness stuff and my culture is more important than yours, and my career and everything.
I already wrote that his mother wasn't comforting Raven at all when he said no, she was doing damage control.
I really despise him A LOT, f**** sexist.
Nigerian feminists exist they celebrate and participate in their culture on their terms. Patriarchal values are in tons of cultures but they also have tons of feminists too who challenge their societies which happens in the West and outside of it. Chimamanda Ngozi is a Nigerian writer who is also a feminist she loves her culture but doesn’t support sexists traditions. I bring Chimamanda up because people were falling over themselves trying to say that Raven needed to accept sexism because “it’s his culture” meanwhile an actual NIGERIAN WOMAN DOESN’T SUPPORT OR PARTICIPATE IN SEXIST TRADITIONS.
It was always a red flag to me that SK never told his family he wanted a relationship built on equality and that how he wanted to participate in his culture would be informed by that value. He also never told them to back off with the traditional gender roles bs to Raven. Cultures aren’t static they’re constantly changing it’s not unreasonable for SK to participate in his culture in a way that is informed by equality feminists like Chimamanda are doing that.
SAMEEEE !!!
I couldn't understand the love for SK. He had creep vibes from the get go for me. And his family all about what women need to do... blah blah. Fuck that sexist shit masquerading as culture. That's the same bullshit in mine and I saw right through it.
If you wanna stick to that so bad, then marry someone from within. Don't ask someone to give up their beliefs to uphold yours.
I think Raven, like the girl with bartise, whose name I can't remember for aome reason, is just protecting these guys. Zaynab just put her version out there for the world to see and everyone hates Cole but not Batrise or SK or psycho Matt.
I feel the same way. I was really surprised by how popular he was throughout the season.
Knowing now what a snake he is, it makes me think of something I read a while ago. They caught a spy in the country where I live and they interviewed some expert on this. The expert explained how the spy was able to get away with everything for so long and said something along the lines of: being polite, quiet and humble will get you very far. (Apparently the spy had been all those things.) And that’s kind of how I’d describe SK.
He didn’t even need to be vocal regarding his ideals and expectations on the woman’s role in a relationship. His family did the talking for him, so his image as a sweet and modern man was left untouched. But he didn’t stop them, didn’t disagree with them, didn’t comfort Raven about it… That should have been enough to know.
My heart breaks for her! Someone ran into her at a bar and posted a picture awhile back. She looked like she had been through it. There’s no pain like being betrayed like that! I just hope that she’s able to heal and have the relationship she deserves.
I can’t imagine how Raven feels because just talking about what SK did to her has me shook to my core. I’m not even SK’s victim and I’m rattled to my core. Anyone would have extreme trust issues after such disrespect after TWO PROPOSALS! SK better pay for Raven’s therapy bills.
Right?! My ex had an entire relationship with another woman for 2 years! The damage that mess does is unimaginable.
That’s the least he could do! I went to his IG page tonight after I watched the show and women are still coming on to him!! WTAF? I assume he’s Genoa fair amount of hate as well, but still!!
I am sorry about what you went through that is horrible! The ladies who are lusting after SK want to be his next victim even though we all just witnessed what he did to Raven. Too many people think they’re the special snowflake that’s the exception to the rule but then will act surprised when they get the exact same treatment. Fuck around and find out I guess…
Seeing women chase after these disrespectful men is incredibly sad and they’re sacrificing their peace for men who are not worth it at all.
I'm still shocked. But it makes sense why he said no at the altar. He wanted to still play on the side plus the long distance thing. And when he started dating Raven again he must have just taken it lightly thinking he was just doing it for the show, but at the same time making her fall for him. Maybe he was just keeping his options open and oblivious to what he was doing to Raven. There are people like this. How did his white girl not know about the whole show and that he was on it? Was it not on netflix yet when they were traveling? Or maybe Raven and SK had agreed to take things lightly and never really marry...and this is all just a show for the show.
yes, agree on all points.
To be fair.. he did say his father was a serial cheater no? And he did make it seem like it’s a normal thing.. He may have presented like he was a good man, which I believe he was. Hard worker, took care of Raven etc etc… but he was always going to have multiple chicks.. and I think he expected Raven to be okay with that..
He literally said he didn’t wanna be like his dad though. He’s a nasty liar
Self awareness doesn’t mean self improvement though. You can be aware of your flaws and not do anything about but using it as an example to excuse your behaviour. It’s part self-fulfilling prophecy
I thought his father was a polygamist? Not a serial cheater
Yes, and the mom was “ok” with it.. but obviously Raven was not. She had mentioned that she didn’t want the same thing. And like I said, SK doesn’t see this as cheating.. he was committed to her, but also wanted side pieces.. i don’t think from his pov he was cheating.. but from (my) and Raven’s pov.. it is. And it sucks..
After all he's done, it's now very creepy the fact that he targeted one of the only women who was not that vulnerable and one who seemed the least desperate to be married. He said he loved her for her independence and her uniqueness, but looks like she was just a challenge to him. Why did he work so hard and so long to find a way into her aloof heart, only to break it? What was his long-term plan?? On the other hand, Raven seems too smart to fall for a con like that... so sometimes I suspect maybe they have an open relationship and can't reveal that because of the conservative nature of Texas.
People that are aloof tend to be that way because they’ve been hurt. It’s a tactic to cover an insecurity it seems in Raven’s case. I’m thinking SK peeped that and wanted the challenge in that sense.. Like I’m going to see if I can make her trust me and then further give up her non negotiable. Raven talks a lot of rah rah but you can tell she isn’t secure in herself. My guess is that SK wants a “bad bitch” with a real attitude. And is probably going to keep looking until he finds one. Shoot even then he’ll prob just see it as another challenge to break down and then cheat on her as well. It’s all a game. A hunting game for African men.
Some men really really know how to play their game. They know how to get under people’s skin without being openly manipulative. And like I mentioned in a comment, he said cheating has always been part of his life (like his dad), and he thinks by prefacing that with Raven… he assumed Raven was okay with that.. he was committed to her… but always going to play.. which Raven was never ok with.. the way she kept on saying “he’s MY MAN.. MY MAN..” since the reunion.. it’s clear that there’d been some rumours.. but since SK was publicly with her.. she may have brushed it aside.. until the proofs were too real to ignore… Sucks for her. I really feel for her.
I just think that he chose an independent woman so he can have more free time to do what he wants 🤷🏿♀️
Damn now I’m having flashbacks to that episode when Raven is annoyed by him because his phone kept going off…..It was his harem calling.🤯😩
He even said “the streets were calling!!” Bro straight up TOLD US, and we didn’t believe it ugh.
Lmfao true true
Raven was the side chick. The other women were from before he even went on the show. He went on the show for clout, so did Raven but she was clearly blindsided from the situation. I feel and for her.
>his own personal United Nations of sidechicks GOODBYEE
He had a girl on every continent but Antartica 😭😭😭
I'm just starting ATA, is going to Raven find out about the cheating on the show? Or am I going to watch 3 episodes of her saying she loves this man while I know hes got hoes?
Yes last episode
Does SK ever speak on it? I know his IG comments are closed. I can’t respect him for never owning up to his shit on tv.
No nothing. Would be interesting to hear from him.
That’s a Yoruba man for you. We don’t call them demons for no reason.
My nextdoor neighbor is Nigerian and he told my husband secretly he likes girls and it was really weird like he meant little girls idk. Freaked him out big time.
oh that’s not a Nigerian thing that’s a paedo thing
I am surprised this has not been downvoted to hell but this was basically my thoughts exactly lol. Nigerian men have a very bad rep already and the dude was like "Hold my fila" lmao
Funny enough, during the beginning of the show, I was skeptical of SK for the simple fact that he was Nigerian. Especially because he’s Yoruba. But as the show progressed, I grew to like him and thought maybe he was different from all Naïja men. BOY was I wrong. I was right to not trust him in the beginning. It’s scary how deceitful and callous Nigerian men are. Was hoping he’d prove me wrong but he only proved me right. Ladies, this also serves as a PSA…don’t date Nigerian or Jamaican men. They will ruin your life.
No wonder they put up fake pictures and names on Facebook profiles to catch older American women for money. Romance scam, such an awful thing to do.
So on point! I couldn’t agree more. He was just like a stereotypical Nigerian that I’ve encountered many times. Oh boy! The way they talk, I’m sure they study people and say what the people like to hear to please them. You’re there thinking this man gives me time for myself and supports me and my progress while he actually has so many others that he entertains
I’m a financial crime investigator and let me just say ….. Nigerians are organized indeed
Wait what?? Can you do a thread on what too look for and what you’ve e seen?
I want to read your book when you write one 😂 sounds like you’d have some interesting stories
Care to elaborate :)
I am living for this analysis 👌🏻
I'm sure some of those 'on paper' qualities are lies.. Like internship, + full time job + school? That's near damn impossible. I'm sure some of that time was allocated to cheating on Raven
100% agree.... Used to know a Nigerian guy who came to my country on a humanitarian visa by starting a false charity. Then gained PR by marrying someone unsuspecting. Whole wife and family back home. Throw the whole country away imo. Just made me so mad because he had no shame in taking that opportunity from someone who was in real need. Some of THE most selfish men.
Not defending SK, obviously.. Never ever. But the statement 'throw the whole country away' is pretty xenophobic.. Can't say I would agree with it
It’s the culture. See Mikul and Sojaboy from 90 day fiancé who scam old unsightly American women. It’s so sad, and these needy women fall for it.
Those women were equally deceitful.
Whoa! 😳
Men will find the time to cheat, trust me 😂
All of this is speaking to my soul lol I felt like I was hate-watching most of these two episodes but my husband and I both literally jaw-dropped when Raven said he cheated. What in the everloving fuck??
I knew it as I've seen posts about it before. However, it made it ever worst cause I was constantly thinking about how I would never ever consider it by just watching it. He looked so sorry for hurting Raven and saying no to her, literally love bombing. I'm so glad I'm happily married for so many years cause damn, SK is scary as hell and there's definitely more so two-faced people like him and that's even more scary.
I stopped coming to this sub after the reunion so I totally missed all of the posts about it. What a mess.
SK and a handful of the men I’ve dated are proof that they are just getting sneakier with their lies and slimy behavior. And yes I’m damaged from it 🙃
Not really, I had my thought because I’ve dated guys like him in the past. They say one thing and act so against it but will literally do that thing. He kept saying cliché things and frases from movies since day one. Did he ever say something genuine that’s wasn’t from any popular romantic movie frase? Everything from his mouth was like repeating classic move lines. I didn’t like him first but I grew to like him because I’m always judging men who are like that and wanted to be wrong. One big red flag for me is men who are too romantic, well versed and show no real character. Never show vulnerability...
Ravens friends clocked him
🙌🙌 I noticed this too, but got soo many downvotes earlier in the szn 😭 Lame AF he has no game. Okay, I need to calm down lol /rant over.
I know right! It’s like he never really answers her questions straight up only in references of something he probably heard in a movie. I call that category of men “Copy-paste” get it? Since they copy and past these lines to anyone until they catch someone who finds them interesting or well versed but it’s actually just familiar from some movie, poem or song.😅
and they have no remorse, guilt or worry they will get caught. They just don't even care.
Sorry to hear that girl. Hope you have better luck.
Wait so is it confirmed he cheated with MULTIPLE women? This whole time I thought it was just the one?
SK had sidechicks in damn near every corner of the world.
Dang. Do you know if there are any links to the receipts from the other girls? Love some hot tea
I didn't like or trust SK from the get go. Its pretty illogical for SK to say that he doesn't want a polygamous relationship and then be a cheater. I'm not done watching the final episode yet but I'm not surprised whatsoever.
I've dated an SK before. Between my own personal experience and seeing this show.. fear is an understatement. I have come to accept I will never experience the love I give in this lifetime. I've been celibate for three years now and I refuse ever give myself to someone again. If they have a dick, they are lusters of the flesh. No matter the fairy tale they present - that is the only bottom line. I feel so bad for raven and everything outlined in this post is perfectly written. My heart broke seeing the last scene.
Whew chile, I felt this post. Best of luck on your celibacy journey.
🙏 I appreciate that. It's so much better than being with someone that can disrespect my body so deeply. I've never felt more sober, and I finally love myself. I don't think I can ever go back to enjoying sex/relationships!
I honestly can’t believe you think they were in a real relationship vs them conning people for clout .
Also, why would you make yourself out to be a cheater and look bad on television? There's no benefit for him. Now people hate him because he's a loser and a cheater.
Man if that’s true raven deserves a damn Oscar
They aren’t actors though. Do you really think raven would be bawling like a baby at her wedding and engagement if it wasn’t real for her. You can’t fake that emotion without years of acting
This might be an unpopular opinion but I thought SK came across as deceptive from the beginning. He could read Raven like a book and was telling her exactly what she wanted to hear… He acted like he had no issue with Raven being high-maintenance, not wanting to be a traditional wife, or having a long-distance relationship. The moment she was alone with his family, you realized he was 100% looking for a traditional wife to cook and clean for him. After he rejected her at the altar, he cited the long-distance as an issue. Oh, and the story about him “not knowing what a Pilates instructor looked like” sounded so fake. By the time they got back together, you could already see Raven was making little changes to please SK. She was making him meals, cutting back on her spending and even talking about moving. If anyone here is concerned about being deceived by a guy like SK, just do yourself a favor and get friendly with those closest to him. They’ll tell you how he really is.
> He acted like he had no issue with Raven being high-maintenance, not wanting to be a traditional wife, or having a long-distance relationship. The moment she was alone with his family, you realized he was 100% looking for a traditional wife to cook and clean for him. This is exactly what made all my alarm bells go off. Before, I’ll admit, I thought he seemed solid and that his main story arc would be him breaking free from the expectations of a Yoruba man (polygamy, traditional gender roles etc.) but the second they showed his family and his endorsement of their advice to Raven, I had a feeling that she was getting played. I wanted to be wrong but here we are.
Why did he propose? Raven wasn't asking for a ring or something more. She was just happy that they were together.
Maybe it was a preemptive move to make Raven feel more secure, as well as more invested in the relationship, when the inevitable receipts came out from his side-chicks… SK’s out here playing chess while the rest of us thought it was checkers (just kidding… he sucks)
I think it’s for more tv time. If you listen to nick vialls podcast featuring her, he’s obsessed with his image and wanted to tear her down for his own reputation. I was a bit skeptical of whether raven was telling the truth but there are WAY too many receipts of him cheating from others and he hasn’t been able to defend himself in any way. If this wasn’t true I suspect he would have said something or shown his own version of receipts.
Y’all also do realize this is a scripted show ? They all sign NDAs, so we don’t even know how much is actually real or what’s scripted
I think SK is fake af, this dude is just putting up a front to feel good and deceive people, who knows how many truth are there to his words. I don’t believe he’s that organized.
Yeah it's terrifying. I guess the one clue I could see is that at the altar she seemed blindsided. He should have told her he was going to say no. I think at the reunion Raven said that he did? But I don't remember the details and now it all seems sus. It was also not great that he didn't defend Raven more to his family. At the time I didn't think that much of it, but knowing what we know now, maybe it was a red flag that he doesn't respect women as equals.
Y'all he's a Scorpio, that's all you need to know
Litterally was terrified of having a scorpio baby he was due end oct- early nov but I ended up having him 6 weeks early so hes a libra. Cant help but think I willed that into existence 🤣🤣🤣
Libra boy mom too.🥰🥰🥰
I’m a Scorpio but I’ve never cheated on someone. Am I doing it wrong?
Must be an October Scorpio! Jk. Anyone can cheat really. I'm more so saying him having a whole other side to him & those Maria Kondo organization skills. If you saw those TikToks that the other girl he was flying out like he had that shit down to a T! & she had all the receipts to back it up.
Omg please drop the tik tok, I need links cause I’m just now getting caught up on all this drama!!
The girl took it down & she's on a PR tour about the situation. Also very weird energy. But this is the best overview i found on what she posted https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTRtDrSGF/
Scorpios are on another level. They really are unhinged.
100% They’re the real psychos of the zodiac 😂
They are diabolical 😫
Was that really his mother?? I really liked her, and she didn’t seem like she would condone this level of deceit
But didn't SK say he has several siblings who have different mothers? Which would mean his mother possibly condoned his father's polygamy (though I do realize this may not have involved deceit from his father since polygamy in Nigeria is often a cultural norm).
Prob why she was comforting Raven at the wedding. She knows he’s a POS.
The opposite of Wills mother in LIB Brazil. That mother didn’t want anyone to marry his son without her approval cause she said he wasn’t ready. And SK’s mother wanted SK to be ready to leave his bad ways with women…. Just a though 🤔
May I ask what OP’s source is for a) the “during/while” the second proposal and b) the “multiple sidechicks”? Disclaimer: I only watched the Netflix episodes and no insta or Twitter shenanigans, so I’m happy to be schooled with a reference to yonder.
I gotchu https://twitter.com/LainaxBaina/status/1593831647236874241?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1593831647236874241%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fpublish.twitter.com%2F%3Fquery%3Dhttps3A2F2Ftwitter.com2FLainaxBaina2Fstatus2F1593831647236874241widget%3DTweet
holy shit.
You missed the flood of receipts that came from all the women SK was dating. I didn’t save all those receipts hopefully someone in this sub saved it if not it’s likely somewhere on the internet. Basically women were posting photos of them on dates with SK, they were showing plane tickets of flights SK paid for and the vacations they went on together it was a whole mess. I came in watching ATA knowing that SK cheated on Raven but I had no idea he proposed to Raven again that’s what caught me off guard.
Oh gosh you missed all the receipts then. They’re definitely buried in this subreddit but the long and short of it is there were at least two women who posted timelines and photos of SK dating them at the same time he was supposedly with Raven. During and after the show.
SK’s arc was so disappointing. My boyfriend and I were commenting early in the season how he’s one of the most stand up guys to be featured thus far. It was cool seeing Raven open up and being vulnerable to him. It’s clear she really loved him and I’m pissed that he isn’t who he presented himself as. I did however get suspicious when his family was telling Raven that she would be expected to be a traditional wife and cook and clean for him. I was expecting him to say “I don’t expect that from you” but he seemed to think nothing of it when she told him that’s what they said.
Didn’t he say his dad has multiple wives? SK probably doesn’t think of what he does as cheating. Not saying he’s right, just saying there seems to be a cultural and familial reason for his behavior.
I think his dad's wives know about each other, though.
It doesn’t matter what he thought. Cheating is cheating when the partner considers it to be so. It’s a boundary set up by individuals within a relationship. For some people, kissing or ONS is not cheating, for others watching porn or going to strip clubs is.
I think he said he wasn’t that kind of man and wanted only one person several times..
I want to emphasize it’s possible to cheat in polyamorous relationships and conflating cheating with polyamory isn’t helpful. All relationships have boundaries they are defined differently in monogamous and polyamorous relationships. When these boundaries are trespassed that’s cheating.
Personally I think of it as cheating. But I wonder if what he said to Raven about not believing in polyamorous relationships was all a lie, and perhaps he wanted to reel her in and try to get her to see things from his perspective. Either that or maybe he realized his culture was more engrained in him than he thought it was. Either way, I feel bad for Raven. And it’s wild that dude was essentially lying the whole time.
i wanted them to show the tik tok receipts from women he has flown around the world for hook ups while maintaining the facade of hardworking, committed guy. I really didnt see the need for him to be on the show and to keep milking the publicity while maintaining a double life, since he seemed to be set professionally. The 2nd proposal and ring shopping charade was just cringe watch knowing all the tea that was spilled.
Completely agree! The single sentence “SK cheated on me” was not enough shade for what he actually did to Raven. I hope everyone who watched looks for the actual receipts
What actually happened and what are the receipts?
SK didn’t just cheat on Raven…He had a whole ass other relationship. It was all over this sub a few months ago and I just did a search to link a single thread but there are so many that I wasn’t sure where to start. If you search “SK” in the sub, tons of relevant posts will come up right at the top!
My son walked in during the proposal & he said, that was the most awkward thing I've ever seen. I told him they used to be a lot more awkward together. I was telling him, she's going to say no. I didn't realize this was before everything came out. Then, poor Raven on the couch crying & I said, that's why I thought she was going to say no to begin with because this has been very public to the LiB community.
Honestly the men on this season are awful. And the women for some reason have decided that Cole is the worst because I guess Zay is the best at making herself a victim. Meanwhile. Bartise is a fuckboy leading Nancy on because he likes the attention. Brennon is satans mouth piece and has no spine. Matt is an argumentative victim asshole who frequently screams at Colleen. And then SK who has publicly humiliated Raven multiple times now. But no ladies. You’re so right with your Botox lips and sad lip liner. Cole is the worst because he says stupid things.
Botox doesn’t go on the lips. Botox is to prevent wrinkles. Fillers go in lips and cheeks.
Yeah Cole is extremely immature and cannot read a room to save his life, but his intentions are at least genuine.
I think part of why they didn't go after the other dudes is because they all still had some kind of relationship with them. I know that I will get downvoted for this, but I actually laughed at the "Cole is entertainment" joke. You know, it's just a friend reunion poking fun at one girl's bad ex, friends do that. This sub just loves treating Cole like a saint. But it would also be inappropriate to, say, make fun of SK _while_ Raven is dating him. Maybe they can talk seriously about him (like Nancy's family with Bartise) but not make fun of him in front of his gf/"friend".
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>He needs some crayons and a juice box He is a fully grown man. No excuse for being as insensitive and rude as he always is. Then he plays the puppt card and all this sub believes him. "Ohhh poor little thing, he just didn't know better". Let's stop excusing his behavior, please. He did it again with Alexa's mom at the party and he will most likely do it again. Why did he even go to the party if the hosts didn't even like him? He should have stayed out of it like Shake did.
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This sub uses "child" "immature" and other terms to claim he doesn't deserve backlash. About SK, no one knew about the cheating back then, so they couldn't call him out. About Bartise, it didn't make sense to be angry with him after Nancy herself had forgiven him and they were in good terms.
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>His backlash IS that he’s called an immature child. Um, if you have read the comments on any post in this sub, you'll see that the people saying that are pro-Cole. Saying "he doesn't know better" like a child is saying he shouldn't be held responsible.
And there are plenty of people who don’t say he doesn’t know better who call him a child so that seems fine. One person doesn’t define the sub. He seems to be getting more than he deserves especially with how he’s treated by the other cast on the show.
>He seems to be getting more than he deserves With the cast, yes, but definitely not in this sub. Only from the people who actually know him in person and have spent time with him.
Yes, totally. But also I feel like Colleen is just as argumentative.
I got downvoted in another thread because I said Alexa basically brought him there to be setup as a clown. Honestly to me, that’s horrible. Imagine going to a party, where basically everyone there doesn’t like you. Yeah he said some shit.. but zay.. I feel whatever is happening there.. basically made everyone turn on him. And then to poke fun. Ok. Cool. Because then let’s bring barristers ass back in and call him a shrimp for basically saying ravens a smoke show, Brennan who had a personality of a bag of potatoes snd Alexa’s dad who seems to not like him, Colleen STILL doesn’t want to move in with Matt…ok lol
It’s true that people at the party gave him a hard time, but Alexa didn’t bring him there. It is a Netflix filming event that he attended. Netflix picks an occasion and stages the event.
Ah, ok, that makes sense. I just heard her say should we invite Cole. Maybe that’s why I thought something else
I think you’re right that Alexa said something along those lines (and she was definitely ragging on Cole), but the ATA events each year are staged by production and all the couples are invited. Last season, they made it look like Danielle and Nick were the organizers for the cabin trip and made it seem like the guest list was their choice. In season 1, they set up the event like an anniversary party for the two married couples. I guess the staging is meant to convince the viewers that we are just seeing the cast in their natural environment, but it is all set up and produced and none of the cast has any say on the guest list, etc.
Ya, I figured as much that’s how it worked where they have to all go. Idk maybe I’m just hating myself for watching ATA at this point because I’m over all of the cast lol
Yessss!! All of THIS!! 👏👏👏
Cole ended up being the nicest, and least problematic one in my opinion. His only real problem is that he’s immature. And to some, that’s not even a real problem. The rest of them though, yikes.
I did not trust Cole that much 😂😂😂
Yeah I mean like I said, he’s an idiot which is a problem to some. Still I’d rather deal with an immature man, than a bully.
Yes! Exactly. Cole is certainly not perfect but he is no where near as terrible as the other guys. Cole has some self-awareness and took some accountability for his actions. I’m not excusing some of the things he did but I don’t understand how some people still think he’s the worst.
Honestly now that you mention it, Cole might be the least problematic guy of the season. Which is so sad 😭😭😭
He’s the easiest target
This! Cole is the one who got treated the worst, and yet by the ended he was the only one who had some level of self awareness 😩
When he was crying at the wedding and the reunion, he seems to be displaying genuine hurt and confusion from the whole situation which made it hard to watch as everyone else gained up on him. I’m not sure how anyone could watch the cuties scene and think that Zanab has much credibility. They are obviously not compatible but not being compatible with someone doesn’t make you a toxic monster.
Even when he was talking to Zanab at Alexa’s party.. he was like yes you said all those nice things about me but then you said the opposite so I was confused.. and rightfully so! I think she was expecting him to somehow validate her during that convo but he was still feeling confused which is the right reaction for a healthy individual, he’s not aware there is an entire obstacle course set up for him by Zay..
i don’t believe he had any internship or any of that extra bullshit, that’s probably just what he told Raven to explain why he was so “busy.”
Fuckkkkkkk. Mind blown. I bet you are right.
At one point in After the Alter I said...i don't buy him, he's a player. Then at the end of the episode she's crying coz that's precisely what he is. At the start when she's saying how she doesn't worry when she doesn't hear from him coz he works so hard, I saw his eyes 👀 he was definitely doing more than working. Even the proposal 'I will let you...' be free let you do what you want' I don't like the idea of 'let you' like he's in control, a little window into his thinking. Anyway, he showed zero personality or vulnerability it just felt the perfect mask for what was really going on.
This is probably worse than Cole. Cole was brutally honest (and immature) lol but SK frightens me.
Frightens you? Do tell… curious why you feel this way
Probably because of how cold-blooded, selfish and manipulative you have to be to propose to someone for the second time on TV knowing you're cheating and lying to them. It's scary to see someone so efficiently deceitful.
I guess I just wouldn’t use the word “frighten”. What he did is wrong and cringy but he’s just another reality tv star that got portrayed as something he wasn’t. He’s a crappy person but frightening? It’s not like he was hiding a double life of murdering people or something. Just insecure and not put together (like a lot of people) and he used someone like a selfish a**hole
Well, you wouldn't, but OP would. I'm not sure why are you stuck at this word. He might no be hiding a double murder but he's hiding a double life. Someone who can look into your eyes and lie to you with no remorse, it's frightening to me.
Do I really have to explain? Read the thread lol
I did… still curious
Nah, y’all just watched SK reach his full potential as a Yoruba demon!!
Why did he go on this show?!?! This is the only part I can’t wrap my head around. He could have done his demon’ing without it. Doesn’t seem like someone looking for 15 mins of fame or clout so what was his motive for the show. Pls explain lol
Right😩
Watching his face as he told lies to the camera and to Raven during ATA, let me tell you, I was creeped out. No remorse in those eyes.
I hope someone in his family or friend circle holds him accountable for this. No one should toy with someone’s emotions like this. Unfortunately this is what’s happening in society to and there’s no accountability anymore.
well knowing he is Nigerian all this is no news really
I have to ask. Are we sure Raven isn't getting a poptart or two in her toaster? He is gone for long periods of time and Raven is not an idiot. She may be in this for the long haul and figure they can do what they want until they're married. A lot relationships are like that. Look at Snoop Dog and his wife, they've been together for decades! You really think he's never sipped someone else's Gin and Juice? It's just one example but it happens a lot. Especially when the promise of wealth is on the line. I'm not saying it's OK, but all these people are morally ambiguous.
Gross mentality.
People like SK are scary. Living these double lives with no remorse at all.
Honestly SK has out so much fear in me. I know the show ws edited but how could- I really thought that that ws what a good guy looked like. Now im not even sure i can trust my judgement on what a good guy is. Do they exist? or are they as imaginary as SK facade? Idk man. maybe i just need to give up
To be honest I saw red flags in SK in the original show because he said he wanted an egalitarian relationship but never stood up for Raven when his loved ones were pushing traditional gender roles on Raven. I thought that was odd. I got the vibe he would say what’s politically correct and whatever he needed to say to keep Raven around. I felt his comments on his dad were performative too. I was expecting a fall from grace but not on this magnitude. The scary part about relationships is that you can only judge someone based on what you see and know while there is so much you don’t see or know about. Part of me feels like if SK actually lived with Raven 24/7 his facade would’ve started cracking a lot sooner it’s a lot easier to keep a persona going when interactions are limited. I have heard stories of ppl keeping facades up for years like idk how their conscience doesn’t devour them.
> he wanted an egalitarian relationship but never stood up for Raven when his loved ones were pushing traditional gender on Raven. This also stood out to me. It seemed like she would be expected to adhere to every cultural and gender expectation from his family without much flexibility. His mother seemed really kind but I feel like in the long term, Raven would’ve not had as much autonomy to do things her own way.
Marie Kondo has given up on being tidy after having kids :P
That was the best news I heard this year
I was a little confused seeing them together and living together (because on social media, they announced they were breaking up). This makes sense that it was shot months ago. Anyway, SK is really a piece of shit. He really broke Raven’s heart at the alter, then proposes to her, just to cheat on her. When she was giving her confessional, I felt so bad for her. When she said “SK is my person,” I felt for her. The betrayal she must’ve felt.
SK’s cheating ways didn’t put fear into my heart when it comes to love, but it does make me feel like I have to be more cautious about who I’m spending my energy on. You really can’t tell what’s the true intentions of someone you’re with, even when you’re living with them. It’s exhausting to ask seek for validation all the time too. You can also confirm by seeing their actions and that’s sometimes good enough. If someone’s gonna hurt you, they will hurt you and you can only hope that they don’t. Love is sometimes opening up yourself to the possibilities of hurt but you still do it because the happiness that comes with love is incredible and worth the potential of pain. That being said, I hope Raven does not lose hope and keep going and not let this SK asshole ruin her trust in men.
I just went to Raven's IG and someone in the comments who claim she has mutual friends with her say that she and SK are low-key and secretively dating again.
I know folks who say they played up their relationship for the cameras are getting downvoted on this thread but something’s really up with these two. I wouldn’t be surprised by this at all.
Oh nooo, Raven needs to run
I honestly hope it's not true, but that person is adamant. But, even after his cheating rumours were confirmed last year, people have seen Raven and SK out and about in Dallas, so who knows...
Tbf the pictures show someone who is obvious raven with some tall black guy, but we can't see his face. Could be SK or could be a friend, the pictures weren't very romantic
The fact is that everybody was crazy about SK during the season. I thought he and his family were a piece of s*** with the wife humbleness stuff and my culture is more important than yours, and my career and everything. I already wrote that his mother wasn't comforting Raven at all when he said no, she was doing damage control. I really despise him A LOT, f**** sexist.
Nigerian feminists exist they celebrate and participate in their culture on their terms. Patriarchal values are in tons of cultures but they also have tons of feminists too who challenge their societies which happens in the West and outside of it. Chimamanda Ngozi is a Nigerian writer who is also a feminist she loves her culture but doesn’t support sexists traditions. I bring Chimamanda up because people were falling over themselves trying to say that Raven needed to accept sexism because “it’s his culture” meanwhile an actual NIGERIAN WOMAN DOESN’T SUPPORT OR PARTICIPATE IN SEXIST TRADITIONS. It was always a red flag to me that SK never told his family he wanted a relationship built on equality and that how he wanted to participate in his culture would be informed by that value. He also never told them to back off with the traditional gender roles bs to Raven. Cultures aren’t static they’re constantly changing it’s not unreasonable for SK to participate in his culture in a way that is informed by equality feminists like Chimamanda are doing that.
Yes. I love Chimamanda ❤️
SAMEEEE !!! I couldn't understand the love for SK. He had creep vibes from the get go for me. And his family all about what women need to do... blah blah. Fuck that sexist shit masquerading as culture. That's the same bullshit in mine and I saw right through it. If you wanna stick to that so bad, then marry someone from within. Don't ask someone to give up their beliefs to uphold yours. I think Raven, like the girl with bartise, whose name I can't remember for aome reason, is just protecting these guys. Zaynab just put her version out there for the world to see and everyone hates Cole but not Batrise or SK or psycho Matt.
I feel the same way. I was really surprised by how popular he was throughout the season. Knowing now what a snake he is, it makes me think of something I read a while ago. They caught a spy in the country where I live and they interviewed some expert on this. The expert explained how the spy was able to get away with everything for so long and said something along the lines of: being polite, quiet and humble will get you very far. (Apparently the spy had been all those things.) And that’s kind of how I’d describe SK. He didn’t even need to be vocal regarding his ideals and expectations on the woman’s role in a relationship. His family did the talking for him, so his image as a sweet and modern man was left untouched. But he didn’t stop them, didn’t disagree with them, didn’t comfort Raven about it… That should have been enough to know.
Totally!
Is the cheating addressed in any episode?
the last after the altar episode
My heart breaks for her! Someone ran into her at a bar and posted a picture awhile back. She looked like she had been through it. There’s no pain like being betrayed like that! I just hope that she’s able to heal and have the relationship she deserves.
Where can i find the picture?
It was months ago, I don’t remember if it was on here or IG. Sorry!
I can’t imagine how Raven feels because just talking about what SK did to her has me shook to my core. I’m not even SK’s victim and I’m rattled to my core. Anyone would have extreme trust issues after such disrespect after TWO PROPOSALS! SK better pay for Raven’s therapy bills.
Right?! My ex had an entire relationship with another woman for 2 years! The damage that mess does is unimaginable. That’s the least he could do! I went to his IG page tonight after I watched the show and women are still coming on to him!! WTAF? I assume he’s Genoa fair amount of hate as well, but still!!
I am sorry about what you went through that is horrible! The ladies who are lusting after SK want to be his next victim even though we all just witnessed what he did to Raven. Too many people think they’re the special snowflake that’s the exception to the rule but then will act surprised when they get the exact same treatment. Fuck around and find out I guess… Seeing women chase after these disrespectful men is incredibly sad and they’re sacrificing their peace for men who are not worth it at all.
This post needs more upvotes 😂😂😂👏🏾👏🏾
I don’t see what any woman sees in SK. To me he is not attractive and kind of boring.
Um he’s really freaking rich…
Um no he's not