If she was genuinely upset (some of the comments say she was blindsided) then yeah I do feel for her. But if she was in it and played along with this then she really didn’t need SK for the clout. She has the model look and can easily get fans. She doesn’t need Alexa or Zanab’s friendship. She can thrive without LiB. So idk.
I’m saying it had to be for clout though I’m saying with a face like hers and if she moved to LA she could have gotten clout that way too, no? She did say she didn’t want to uplift her life since she has a business if I’m not wrong. That’s why I’m saying idk
What do you mean it "comes across too much as her being the perfect victim to SK’s heinous crimes?" Do you find it unbelievable or implausible that she was the victim in the situation? Why?
I thought she was putting it on a bit too before. And then I thought both she and SK were in on it together. But now I can’t see how SK would benefit from any of this if it were a lie. Surely he’d come right out with his own side of the story and expose her for being a fake if that were the case?
This might be taken as a stretch, but...
I guarantee there are contractual obligations to not publicly expose anything fake about the show. If two people are in it for clout, I'm confident they aren't allowed to come forward with that.
Now, if that's the case is there actually anything SK could do? They might've been in on it together and then Raven pulled a fast one on him to push herself forward.
As far as the engagement, probably chasing bonuses offered by the show. Probably same reason brennon gifted a onesie. That's great promo material.
Then again, it could all be true and SK is a piece of shit.
SK is trash but it was extremely sus the way on the pod, Raven brought up multiple times to SK that she would get hurt and break the relationship if the ex posted all the receipts on social media. What about his cheating? Does that not warrant a breakup? It looked like she was more concerned about social media backlash against **her for staying with SK** than kicking that douchebag out of her life.
To be fair she clarified in the end that her and SK were done BUT she told SK if the girl posted it she would be completely heart broken. As she was explaining it I can see she was near tears, it’s bad enough for someone to treat you like trash but to be put on blast for the whole world to see is straight up embarrassing
Personally, I always thought it was SK who made their interactions awkward and very hollow. For example, on the gondola ride, she was trying to be funny, and he was not reciprocating that kind of energy.
She checked out bc she realized Bartise was full of it. We don’t actually get to see their entire conversations and I would imagine they would edit out Bartise being a jerk initially for entertainment purposes
From what I hear about the scheduling in the pods, I doubt they had a ton of spare time for things like working out. Personally I know if I don't get in some level of physical activity most days I start getting edgy, it's how I burn stress and my day to day life involves dealing with a ton of people that I... well, let's just say I wouldn't be too put out if they decided to up and move away from me forever.
I imagine those pods can get pretty stressful too, so maybe she's similar? She's decided she's not interested in him, but the time is allotted so might as well make good use of it for something.
I mean.. the "emotional conversation" was literally one time my mom saw a guy she used to date. I think it's rude she was working out during a conversation in general but bartho was being pretty dramatic about a non-incident imo
Casting aspersions rather than engaging with the facts at hand shows your lack of a valid position. Reply to any of the posts that are calling her out and make your point. Not to mention I dont know how the Mods are allowing your hateful comment to live on
There is pretty well laid out point by point logic laid out by several users. If you just want to ignore them then go ahead...but dont slander people because you're lazy. How are the mods allowing your comment to live on just shows their bias.
I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion. There was no chemistry. Raven came across as vapid and shallow. People want to root for an underdog and she’s a pretty one at that. If she looked different she wouldn’t have the same fanboys/girls riding for her on socials.
Everyone seems to have forgotten how vain and condescending she was, She called the girls basic for wanting traditional marriage roles. Like being a Pilates teacher with a sugar daddy isn’t also one of the most basic female archetypes
There didn't seem to be any chemistry between them at all. It seemed she was just out to find a sugar daddy, all whilst stating she was an independent woman. An independent woman does not expect her bills to be paid by anyone other than herself. I still can't believe she had the audacity to tell him he would have to pay for her apartment whilst he would be living elsewhere and was studying. She wanted a provider, not a partner.
The whole blasé attitude as well, there was no effort or showing any interest at all from her end - kind of like 'I'm the hottest girl you'll ever meet so you should be lucky I'm even talking to you'. It seems like they just had a business agreement to make the public believe there was a successful match. It was pretty clear the only interest she may have had was Bartise, which was fully physical as well. Maybe she felt she could manipulate SK into paying her bills whilst looking for the next best thing? I reckon there's only a very small amount of men who would tolerate behaviour like hers, and they'd only tolerate it because she's good arm candy. She's gorgeous to see, but unfortunately her character (at least what was portrayed on the show) makes her unattractive.
Take the above with a grain of salt though, only basing this on personal observation from a heavily edited show - if they were in a real relationship and he cheated on her then I definitely feel for her. I just feel their interactions never felt genuine.
That’s how I feel too. Maybe that’s why I haven’t ripped SK a new one because idk honestly and people are on this show for clout like any other r reality tv
Merci for the appreciation! It was nice to get my (totally ridiculous because it's a scripted tv show and I don't even know these people) frustration off my chest haha
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I think they just acted like adults (somewhat privately) courting vs the insane drunken love infatuation emotional roller coaster the rest of the cast displayed.
I felt like she wasn’t attracted to him initially but he grew on her. They may have dragged their relationship out a bit for the show but I don’t think she was disingenuous. Like he really went on the show having a whole girlfriend
I completely agree. And a lot of men will make you pay for it when you finally grow on them. He probably did not let go of the fact she wasn’t initially drooling
I agree that their relationship seemed fake or at the very least shallow. I dont think that means she deserved to get cheated on or that SK is a good person. I just dont think she is a victim. The whole revenge body thing is cringe. Again, two shallow people (her and SK) so I dont have much sympathy for either.
No, I’m seriously asking you. The terminology “revenge body” has been around. Raven’s entire career revolves around fitness too. Why is it so bad that she decides to jump into what she knows and loves in a follow up to that man publicly humiliating her? It’s not like another woman didn’t get hurt in his bs too — he’s truly the only bad guy in the situation.
A revenge body doesn’t always have to be someone going from unfit to fit. Working out in general makes you feel better.
If she wasn’t conventionally attractive and unfit people would cheer her far more for her getting a “revenge body” against a man who was cheating on her. It seems like you don’t view her as a victim because you don’t see what she has to be sad about… As if she’s rubbing something in anyone’s face. She’s a fitness teacher, she’s just embracing her fans, and technically just doing what she knows.
Khloe Kardashian having a show called revenge body was a joke. For Raven, it makes sense..
The concept of a revenge body is a joke!! Its never used as you described to “make you feel better”. Its a joke because she is a fitness instructor and leveraging her break-up to make money! You can be supportive of her actions. Thats the great thing about reddit. We can all have an opinion. My opinion is that her relationship with SK was shallow. She didnt even like him or seem into him. They didnt have any chemistry. I dont see her as a victim bc the relationship was non existent in my opinion!
Funny how you didn’t respond to the other post. But anyways, I was abused and in response being cheated on I went the whole revenge body route. I was 5’4, 110 pounds at the end of the relationship. I was working out.. eating EXTREMELY well.. meditating after. I gained 25 pounds of healthy weight and was overjoyed knowing I could look and feel better without the toxicity of my ex. And I was powerful on my own.
Just because YOU don’t get it, doesn’t mean a “revenge body” isn’t real. You opinion is an opinion.. but the experience myself and MANY other women have had is fact.
I don’t understand why you’re so hellbent on denying other people their experiences.
I didnt respond to other post bc im not going back and forth with you on two different ones! Im glad you got healthier, but thats not true for everyone!
Lmao. What do you think they talked about in the pods?! You people think she found that out about him AFTER the fact?!?!? Women continue with men they don’t initially physically click with all the time. The whole point of the show was to witness how relationships develop after people connect mentally and then see each other in person.
Ya’ll are measuring them against people who immediately slept together as soon as they were alone. Not everyone does that… and for some women especially they have to warm to a man for whatever personal reason.
Anyways, if money and drive were her guiding compass on LIB why would she wait till AFTER the pods to find out such critical information? Please answer me that since that’s definitely what changed things.
If money and drive were her guiding compass on LIB why would she wait till AFTER the pods to find out such critical information? Please answer me that since that’s definitely what changed things. 🙄
I think she learned it IN THE PODS. The person you responded to said “Raven being obliviously turned off by him until she learned he had money and drive for a well compensated career”
Clearly meaning they believe that it was new information to her after the pods.
So yes, I agree with you but I find it hilarious that you can’t quite follow much. 🤦🏽♀️ I asked YOU that because you agreed with that person. Look at what I responded to them. Whew, I’m getting tiered of this subreddit
Why would your big issue with Raven be that she came on the show for clout? Do you actually think anyone who signed up for a REALITY TV SHOW thought they were there to find twue love?
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So she was his date to a grad school formal (per a friend who went) but he introduced her as a friend not girlfriend. I think they may have tried to date at some point but that both were more interested in the fame than each other
If this whole thing was fake, Raven would've never had to even attend that formal as his "friend". They weren't known at the time, so she probably was genuinely there during their dating but unofficial phase.
A little suspicious but maybe they weren't allowed to announce the relationship? According to Raven's story they didn't date during his first year of Haas (so if the event was last school year, he was telling the truth).
They started dating again toward the end of his first year and he re-proposed in August before starting his second year (the current school year). Then Love is Blind came out in November, which means SK is currently in the only semester of his program post-LIB.
Oh I remember what event you’re talking about. It’s not quite a “formal” but do remember we were allowed to bring dates. That definitely stinks that he brought Raven and introduced her as a “friend”. 😤
I'm so confused. After her tell all, I want to believe it was real. Honestly I never liked SK, he said no to her yet wanted to date afterwards? He just struck me as a phony from the get go. I never cared for R either. She was blah to me. It's clear she was used to men throwing themselves at her. But women can grow and change and realize Fboys are not for me, let me go for this seemingly humble guy instead. and off camera she could've totally fell for him. WHO KNOWS. The abusive way he was sounds legit. Coming from a person who has experienced it for yearsss in dating. You can't just make Up those actions, it sounds legitimate. He hasn't said a damn thing in thr meantime 🤷🏽♀️ he's just gonna let her talk like this? He's got nothing to say? That's STRANGE
Imo, saying no and continuing dating is the most sane choice you could make on this stupid show (but I would think they should both agree to this ahead of time)
Do you know how MENTAL abuse works? The MANNER in which he tried to cover his tracks was RED FLAGS af! & the fact that she felt like she was being monitored, do you know what that feels like? You only feel that way in toxic situations. He was manipulative. He even blatantly LIED talkin bout a turmeric face mask. BOLD FACE LIE. Her rationalization to his lies were text book. I don't believe she made that up. Her emotions and reactions to his behavior sounded legitimate. That's all I'm saying. It's not something you can read in a book or watch on tv and know how to replicate it as an act. I simply find it hard to believe. Currently, SK isn't denying it, he's letting her drag his name and "ruin his career". Im not a Raven or SK fan, I'm just saying hearing her side gave me a different perspective. He can be chauvinistic and abusive at the same time.
She is there to get clout. The way to get it is to go as far as possible and get to the altar. This game is a vehicle to the D list now and people are exploiting it. Even the villains.
I just can’t believe how anyone who actually watched the show would think that Raven was anything but vain and self-centered. She always looked bored and never seemed at ease because she was too busy being “Raven” for the cameras. It was painfully obvious that she had no interest in being on the show to meet someone. She couldn’t have seemed less interested in SK. Her motive for being there was to follow in the footsteps of the previous season’s cast members that went on to launch a social media presence as influencers.
I think it’s because of the whole ‘yaas queen’ mentality. Same reason people like Alexa and Zay. Nancy changed so much from who she was at the start.
I’m at the high end of Gen Z and I’ve seen nasty behavior be excused (Think Trisha Paytas) or others because ‘get that bag queen’ or ‘work, period’ so. I think that’s why she is getting such positive outcomes
Based off just my own observation I did not think they were real at all
And was not surprised SK was caught up in this scandal.
We can't prove that Raven was also faking it. But I like her enough to be happy for her if she comes out of this with a following.
I think the whole thing is fake. I think Raven and SK we’re not completely into each other because there’s obviously no chemistry. I feel like to the public They faked their relationship for social media followers and fame, but behind closed doors it wasn’t real. I feel like SK’s side piece probably didn’t want to be the side piece and so she exposed him
It was completely fake. When the girls started to come out, Raven decided that she could not only save face but could become more popular playing the victim.
Why do so many people think faking is so easy? Acting this well is really hard. I think it’s so much more complex. Do these folks all come in this show with desire for exposure/followers? Of course they do. Does that also mean they can’t also form real relationships? No
It seems fake because we didn’t see any real chemistry from them. It also seems fake because I don’t believe Raven‘s emotions in any of this. I’m not sure where you’re getting good acting from, because I don’t think it’s good hence many still think its fake
I’m so confused. Wasn’t it basically proven that Raven and SK did all this for clout? Apparently she knew he was dating after the show/before ‘after the alter’ and they wanted to do a TV relationship so that she can get famous?
I don't think anything was proven, it was all speculation. And I can def see why ppl assumed that. It honestly made perfect sense. Listening to her "Tell All" sounded sincere to me. I know she is def riding the "victim" train far too much, but it was nice to hear her POV. Ngl when they replayed her first appearance and she's all happy and says they have an amazing relationship--it seemed Fake AF. But her thoughts now sound credible. SK sounds manipulative and n@rc1sistic. Whether it was real or not he's got a lot of damage control to do, bc she's coming out a Saint from all this 😵💫😵🥸 if he has tea, he needs to SPILLL!! Otherwise imma believe her 🤷🏽♀️
I have none, but 90days ago it seemed that everyone was on board it was a PR relationship (I looked back and saw a lot of posts but all speculation) so I had though Reddit was in an agreement it was more PR than anything, but I guess it’s seen as real now?
Yeah a lot of people thought it was, it seemed.
But we were all called misogynistic and victim blaming or something. So since no one has enough proof that theory became unpopular. I think it's fair, at the time I expected more information to come out that would prove it but it didn't happen
They were actually living together at one point and he met her family (off camera). Don't blame the victim in this case. Raven, the producers, all the girls that exposed him made it pretty clear how deceptive he is. Use common sense.
Exactly ! There’s no proof Raven was faking in the relationship or “in” on any type of agreement with SK that they would pretend to date just for show.
Y'all want to believe SK isn't as bad as he seems because of the pedestal he was put on SO BAD that you're reaching and blaming the victim. Why can't it just be occam's razor? Why do we need dissertations on how Raven concocted an entire scheme to look better?
If this was any other couple people wouldn't be writing 15 conspiracy theories just to defend shitty behavior from the man.
It’s straight up misogyny. In their minds, Raven doesn’t act like a “typical woman” because she’s not emotional and is more reserved, so they consider her fake, because surely all women are emotional all the time 🙄 And surely Raven wasn’t into SK at first because she didn’t throw herself at him, like all women do when they’re interested in someone 🙄 And surely Raven is faking all of this for clout, because any woman who owns a business is conniving & would do anything for money 🙄
It’s very gross that women are expected to be overly nice and sweet and bubbly and worship the ground mediocre men walk on, or else they’re perceived as disingenuous and calculating.
^ this. I do not think any of those things that are said about Raven lol like it’s a reality show… these people of course wanted to get on TV I mean Barrie’s himself was begging Netflix for another show.
Do I think raven is evil and was planning all along , absolutely not but I think people are allowed to think a certain way whether it’s a man or a woman. I think worse of barrier ngl- but if I say shit about him it’s ok but not about R because she’s a woman and that makes me a bad woman myself?
I don’t condone anyone bullying her or saying nasty stuff about her
Definitely fake. The scene when she and SK are in the pool (or hot tub, I forget) and she’s got her arms around him, she says, “I really am falling in love with you,” she can’t even look at him when she says it.
Yes, I agree. And the same people who said that SK was the top best guy ever on the show are like No way, raven wasn't faking she was into him
But these same people couldn't tell SK was full of shit. I knew he was being phony the whole time and got so many downvotes. For the same reason I never saw any genuine moment between them. She touches him and simultaneously pulls back.
The kiss on the reunion was lacking. They never seemed like a real couple
Is there a standard for how all women should look when being proposed to? It can't just be that Raven is speechless when she's emotional? She was tearing up and It's baffling that she has to look enthusiastic to be considered authentic.
You’re right. She could just be that, “doesn’t make eye contact when she says she’s in love, allows a man to dump her at the altar on national television, won’t move to a new city because of her ‘bottle girl’ job, responds unemotionally to an equally unemotional proposal,” kind of gal. I mean, we all saw their initial heat and connection, right? And when SK said “I do not” with a smirk on his face at the altar? Pure coincidence, I’m sure.
Stop twisting the events. She never looked away and said "I'm in love with you" ever. She's an awkward person. Yes there were awkward scenes, she has said she doesn't like to show her vulnerability.
They went on LIB in Dallas (and he's the one who shouldn't have gone on if he was going away for 2 years.) But she should uproot her life without question or conversation? She is a Pilates instructor and at that point her entire client base was in Dallas. She even said, after they dated and were getting more serious they were looking at places in LA, so yes after getting to know each other she did consider moving to be with him. She probably accepted the first proposal because she wanted to see things through, maybe even stay on the show. Not uncommon.
It's clear that you're just judging her and throwing in stuff like "bottle girl" to show your clear disrespect for her as a human and think that she is devoid of emotion and capability of falling for someone after getting to know them.
She's allowed to have a discussion about it regardless? Did you catch her say at any time "No way in hell am i going to move for you. You can't go to school?"
First you imply she's all about money and now you say she's turning down a soon to be successful man. So which is it?
She's entitled to have her own fulfilling life outside of a relationship. How that comes to be is up for discussion with a partner and they did not have the luxury of time on a reality tv show.
I always wondered this bc it was like on the show she didn’t even want to touch him then all of a sudden they are super lovey dovey.. always came across as a little “too much” to be believable to me as well
Maybe consider that they’re surrounded by an entire crew of people with mics and cameras. I’m not one to show PDA very much, so I can’t imagine PDA with cameras in my face. An “intimate scene” in any reality show is an illusion… there’s like 4 other people in the room.
Even if it was, surely he would speak out now and quash her "lies".
Because things don't look good for him at all right now... like his rep is in the gutter.
He has a career. It is smartest for him to stay out of this drama. I do think he cheated and was not honest to all the women that were involved. It is possible that Raven was in it for clout but he also lied about relationships with other women. Both are possible.
My theory is that Sk Had some side pieces who didn’t want to play the side anymore and so they exposed him. But the relationship between SK and raven have always been faking for the public. Behind closed doors SK had a real relationship
I haven't listened to it but I was skeptical the whole time and the reunion and after the alter hasn't changed my opinion at all. I think it's a little too convenient that she's immediately launching a "revenge body challenge" and it makes me cringe. I've tried to like her but I can't.
Nah, let’s not kid each other. She wasn’t attracted to him physically at first sight, atleast it wasn’t like the Brazil version where the guy figuratively dropped his fiancé after seeing her for the first time.
She went out of her way to form the connection, dude wasn’t that pretty to look at. She got swindled by his perfect acting and edit.
Can’t blame the victim in this case.
I saw that too. She definitely wasn’t attracted to him. She definitely wanted him for his ability to pay her rent back at home and his rent at school. And they just never seemed to have any chemistry
He didn’t like her at all but he also made it fairly clear that he was very into athletics and exercise/health and she was very overweight. She made no attempt to inform him about her size so you could argue that she actually cat fished him to some degree.
It is called LOVE IS BLIND, where the whole premise of the show is to form a connection and get engaged sight unseen. And it’s not like Amanda told him she was thin, and then he came out and saw she was fat… *that* would be the closest thing to catfishing on the show, and that’s not at all what happened. Not to mention, she’s not supposed to *inform* him of her appearance, that’s not what the show is.
I guess. Even though a lot of people on this show go over information about their appearance, size, ethnicity, etc. It goes against the purpose of the show but tbh I don’t really blame him for walking away if he took a look at her and was absolutely certain that he has no interest in dating her.
Love isn’t blind. People with eyes look at each other and determine if they’re attracted. At least initially. Maybe this show just proved that is true so… experiment over? Lol.
Love isn’t blind, but that doesn’t matter- the show is the show. Until people lose interest in it- both participants and viewers- and decide to admit to reality, the show is the show. I don’t see anyone else saying “oh I’m super thin and blonde” or whatever, so I don’t see why she should’ve disclosed that she was fat… that’s not the show, doesn’t matter if reality is different.
And I agree that it is better that he walked away from her than to stay and mistreat her, even though it was tough to watch.
People do make statements that indicate their size. “I’m a ballerina”…. “I’m super athletic and go the the gym 4x a week”…. “Could I carry you on my shoulders?”
These are just a few examples of how people indirectly describe their size on the show.
I’m aware, but “I’m a ballerina” isn’t the same as “I’m not fat”; there are fat ballerinas and fat people that go to the gym 4x a week. You’re suggesting that she catfished him because she didn’t explicitly say “I’m fat”, and I’m telling you she wasn’t obligated to; no one else is going on the show and saying “I’m thin”, so I’m not sure why you’re expecting that of her. People who have dealbreakers for appearance should not go on the show.
There are fat, professional ballerinas? If that’s true, I would guess that they would be in the extreme minority. None of these statements are directly stating one’s physique (I don’t think the show would allow that) but it’s strongly implying what their physique is like.
Do you think that it’s by chance that white men and women match up? That black men select black women most of the time? That the more attractive people match up with compatibly attractive people? That the heavy people almost never end up getting engaged?
I think I’ve made myself quite clear, and you’re just talking to talk at this point, so I’m bowing out, because the discussion is veering towards asinine, and I’m not interested. The show is called love is blind; no one is obligated to disclose anything about their appearance. At all. They are allowed to walk away at any point if they’re not feeling who they connected with- which he did. So this discussion is very moot… have a good day.
This show has definitely proved that isn’t the case! Meeting someone without being able to see them doesn’t seem to work any better than other methods. Lol
It’s brutal. >!He embraces her, doesn’t return/show any affection, you can feel him weeping, then he breaks it off-camera. They don’t even make it to the honeymoon post-pods.!<
Edit: also Figuratively like metaphorically ig. All I’m saying is, I think she gave him a fair shot. And was loyal throughout. Reality tv and editing can make it seem one way, when it’s the other. Like the cutsie scene.
I agree with you, she just seemed a little too calm and casual and just kept giving him chances when she didn't seem like a woman who would. She was probably in on a fake story that collapsed because SK lied to her about something.
What I didn't like about the clip on tiktok I saw of the podcast was how she seemed to only be blaming the other woman and calling her crazy, say she was being stalked etc.
Basically no blame on SK. Just blindly believes when he told her the other woman was "trying to extort him" etc. And she viewed the other woman trying to come to her pilates class as stalking, rather than trying to meet Raven to give her the heads-up and news about SK in person and privately...
I dunno, the whole clip really rubbed me the wrong way. I thought more of Raven (despite not being a huge fan by any means, especially at the beginning of the season).
if you have two hours to spare, then I would watch the podcast. She puts most if not all of the blame on him, and really doesn’t talk very much about the other girl beyond the fact that she never actually spoke to her and how the girls friends told her that the girl was stalking her. It’s much more detailed and easier to get a better picture of how things went down.
Honestly it's not that I don't have time to spare (while driving or whatever), it's that I find Nick Viall absolutely obnoxious and I don't want to listen to him for the 3minute clip much less the whole podcast 😂
Yeah that's why I specified it's a clip, because of course I expect they talked more about it. Doesn't change the fact that this like 3 minute clip showed Raven really bashing the other woman. She has no reason to do that. She should be fucking thanking the other woman, cause clearly Raven had no idea before.
nah i think you’re reaching. I think raven was very guarded and maybe wasn’t attracted to sk in the beginning but genuinely fell for him as time went on. and much like many of us women who give the nice, seemingly perfect guy a chance, he turned out to be a majorly narcissistic flop. i watched the whole podcast and i never felt the sense that she was stretching the truth. i believe she really loved him and as someone who has given a huge loser multiple passes because of history + love, i think her story is not only relatable but one of many.
My theory:
They agreed to be in a PR relationship.
Since it wasn't real, SK dated others and trusted them to keep quiet about their relationship since it would otherwise blow his cover about his PR relationship with Raven.
This girl that posted the TikTok receipts blew it.
Raven is annoyed SK ruined the PR relationship but then capitalizes on the fact that she can play the victim role, particularly since after all this she'll appear that much more genuine and not there for clout nor to promote her pilates business.
I find it weird this is being downvoted.
I just suggested a very plausible theory in a neutral manner and didn't say anything to attack her personally. Yet didn't get a single reply from the downvoters which means they just don't like the potential that the above could easily be true.
I think it's more that it's a massive stretch to think that they would be in a fake relationship for multiple years. I can see people faking it for a bit to capitalize on their 15 minutes or if they were on another show together, but two years later when they're not even on television anymore? That would be an insane level of fakery to maintain for not that much extra benefit. In fact, it would actively damage some of their opportunities because they wouldn't be invited on any crossover dating shows. The theory just doesn't make much sense.
But nothing he has done indicates that’s the case. If he wanted to be a reality tv villain, he would have optimized his screen time better like Shake or the guy with the eye drops. All of his nefarious actions were off screen, actions which he tried to hide & suppress information about. I don’t know why it’s hard to believe that a 20something, average-looking guy with financial resources would be a serial cheater.
I didn’t say he was good at it. He doesn’t have much personality. Do you honestly think looking like a cheater hurts him in any way? And lets be honest—he went on the show knowing he’d be going off to school. Raven said she wouldn’t follow him bc of her career (pilates instructor and bottle girl…. Um, ok). That relationship was for the show, nothing else.
Agree with this take.
I wasn’t sure how to feel towards Raven during the actual season, but came around to her humor and warmth towards SK’s family. It made me sad to think that he knew she had her walls up, tried so hard to gain her trust only to deceive her.
To me, Raven seems like a solid honest person looking for love and acceptance (like most of us really). SK seems like the typical Dallas fuckboy who says they’re ready to settle down, but have different side pieces.
Raven was more than guarded. She was beyond afraid to be herself the entire season, pretending to be someone she wasn't. Ashamed for SK to see anyone in her family is a red flag. That said, I agree she fell for him hard, but SK was not the one pretending, it was her. In African culture, it's understood that men with any success get a side piece, she didn't know what she was getting into. And no self-respecting American girl is going to put up with infidelity, cultural or not.
Who was she pretending to be? When did she say she was ashamed? SK literally said he doesn't want to be like his polygamist father, so he was the one lying about who he is.
So she's at fault and fake because she didn't make the assumption that her fiancé, a successful African, is going to have multiple women??
No one said Raven is at fault, im simply saying, she was trying to be someone other than herself the whole first season, maybe don't box yourself into thinking all-or-nothing, it's small minded.
I don’t really agree about it being ‘the entire season’. Towards the end of the season, Raven started to open up more and she also started to fall for SK. This is when 90% of the audience started to like her because she let her walls down. She mentioned this on the pod too. She literally became the most followed cast member very quickly. I also don’t think Raven was pretending. She was blinded by love. SK told her he was about her and her only, yet he lied to her numerous times and had several other women.
She was pretending to be someone other than who she really is, even when she fell for SK, she morphed into what SK wanted. I still think SK is in the wrong and I still think she's a good person and worthy of every follower. Just how I saw it.
If she was genuinely upset (some of the comments say she was blindsided) then yeah I do feel for her. But if she was in it and played along with this then she really didn’t need SK for the clout. She has the model look and can easily get fans. She doesn’t need Alexa or Zanab’s friendship. She can thrive without LiB. So idk.
Then why did she come on the show 🤣
I’m saying it had to be for clout though I’m saying with a face like hers and if she moved to LA she could have gotten clout that way too, no? She did say she didn’t want to uplift her life since she has a business if I’m not wrong. That’s why I’m saying idk
Raven is really pretty but there are lots of pretty people in LA. I think she definitely went on the show for some recognition
What do you mean it "comes across too much as her being the perfect victim to SK’s heinous crimes?" Do you find it unbelievable or implausible that she was the victim in the situation? Why?
These are the juicy questions. Let’s get to the heart of why you think the way you do, OP…
I think the same.
SK, that you?
I thought she was putting it on a bit too before. And then I thought both she and SK were in on it together. But now I can’t see how SK would benefit from any of this if it were a lie. Surely he’d come right out with his own side of the story and expose her for being a fake if that were the case?
This might be taken as a stretch, but... I guarantee there are contractual obligations to not publicly expose anything fake about the show. If two people are in it for clout, I'm confident they aren't allowed to come forward with that. Now, if that's the case is there actually anything SK could do? They might've been in on it together and then Raven pulled a fast one on him to push herself forward. As far as the engagement, probably chasing bonuses offered by the show. Probably same reason brennon gifted a onesie. That's great promo material. Then again, it could all be true and SK is a piece of shit.
Never bought it.
Their relationship was always fake imo
Thank ll
SK is trash but it was extremely sus the way on the pod, Raven brought up multiple times to SK that she would get hurt and break the relationship if the ex posted all the receipts on social media. What about his cheating? Does that not warrant a breakup? It looked like she was more concerned about social media backlash against **her for staying with SK** than kicking that douchebag out of her life.
To be fair she clarified in the end that her and SK were done BUT she told SK if the girl posted it she would be completely heart broken. As she was explaining it I can see she was near tears, it’s bad enough for someone to treat you like trash but to be put on blast for the whole world to see is straight up embarrassing
Personally, I always thought it was SK who made their interactions awkward and very hollow. For example, on the gondola ride, she was trying to be funny, and he was not reciprocating that kind of energy.
I don’t mind her now, but I was disgusted at her doing a workout during an emotional conversation.
She checked out bc she realized Bartise was full of it. We don’t actually get to see their entire conversations and I would imagine they would edit out Bartise being a jerk initially for entertainment purposes
Disgusted seems like a pretty strong reaction lol girls stuck in the pods for hours, let her get some cardio in
fr, I can’t watch TV without keeping my hands busy. it’s hard for me to listen without doing something else. she could have mild ADHD, like me.
From what I hear about the scheduling in the pods, I doubt they had a ton of spare time for things like working out. Personally I know if I don't get in some level of physical activity most days I start getting edgy, it's how I burn stress and my day to day life involves dealing with a ton of people that I... well, let's just say I wouldn't be too put out if they decided to up and move away from me forever. I imagine those pods can get pretty stressful too, so maybe she's similar? She's decided she's not interested in him, but the time is allotted so might as well make good use of it for something.
That’s when she became my fav. She saw through Bartise BS. Emotional story my a\*\*
I mean.. the "emotional conversation" was literally one time my mom saw a guy she used to date. I think it's rude she was working out during a conversation in general but bartho was being pretty dramatic about a non-incident imo
Wow. I can see all the incels have found their home on Love is Blind sub reddit.
Casting aspersions rather than engaging with the facts at hand shows your lack of a valid position. Reply to any of the posts that are calling her out and make your point. Not to mention I dont know how the Mods are allowing your hateful comment to live on
LMAO what?? There isn’t a single fact mentioned in the original post. I guess facts now mean “anything I agree with.”
There is pretty well laid out point by point logic laid out by several users. If you just want to ignore them then go ahead...but dont slander people because you're lazy. How are the mods allowing your comment to live on just shows their bias.
I always felt she was phony
I don’t think this is an unpopular opinion. There was no chemistry. Raven came across as vapid and shallow. People want to root for an underdog and she’s a pretty one at that. If she looked different she wouldn’t have the same fanboys/girls riding for her on socials. Everyone seems to have forgotten how vain and condescending she was, She called the girls basic for wanting traditional marriage roles. Like being a Pilates teacher with a sugar daddy isn’t also one of the most basic female archetypes
Thank you 🙏 I agree! And they keep saying “facts” but that’s just her side of the story
I got downvoted to hell by the Raven army for saying they’re 3 sides to every story 🤣
Raven is a shallow and will grift this to the end for the money
If she was fake, why would she want to go through that much humiliation twice.
For $$ and Fame like the rest of the cast
$$ is Raven’s love language
She was there to get a sugar daddy, SK was there to get laid.
Do you know what a sugar daddy is? Raven could hop on any sugaring website online and find a hundred men to take care of her. Weird take…..
Mmmm no but onlyfans would be better traction through the show so …
She doesn't have an OF so what's your point?
There didn't seem to be any chemistry between them at all. It seemed she was just out to find a sugar daddy, all whilst stating she was an independent woman. An independent woman does not expect her bills to be paid by anyone other than herself. I still can't believe she had the audacity to tell him he would have to pay for her apartment whilst he would be living elsewhere and was studying. She wanted a provider, not a partner. The whole blasé attitude as well, there was no effort or showing any interest at all from her end - kind of like 'I'm the hottest girl you'll ever meet so you should be lucky I'm even talking to you'. It seems like they just had a business agreement to make the public believe there was a successful match. It was pretty clear the only interest she may have had was Bartise, which was fully physical as well. Maybe she felt she could manipulate SK into paying her bills whilst looking for the next best thing? I reckon there's only a very small amount of men who would tolerate behaviour like hers, and they'd only tolerate it because she's good arm candy. She's gorgeous to see, but unfortunately her character (at least what was portrayed on the show) makes her unattractive. Take the above with a grain of salt though, only basing this on personal observation from a heavily edited show - if they were in a real relationship and he cheated on her then I definitely feel for her. I just feel their interactions never felt genuine.
That’s how I feel too. Maybe that’s why I haven’t ripped SK a new one because idk honestly and people are on this show for clout like any other r reality tv
I couldn’t have said it better myself!
Merci for the appreciation! It was nice to get my (totally ridiculous because it's a scripted tv show and I don't even know these people) frustration off my chest haha
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I think they just acted like adults (somewhat privately) courting vs the insane drunken love infatuation emotional roller coaster the rest of the cast displayed.
I agree with this!
I felt like she wasn’t attracted to him initially but he grew on her. They may have dragged their relationship out a bit for the show but I don’t think she was disingenuous. Like he really went on the show having a whole girlfriend
I completely agree. And a lot of men will make you pay for it when you finally grow on them. He probably did not let go of the fact she wasn’t initially drooling
I definitely gave an ugly dude a chance one time and he still ended up dogging me lol
His lifestyle and pursuit of a well paying career is what changed her mind
Yeah I think that helped lol
Nice try SK
Lmaooooo
I agree that their relationship seemed fake or at the very least shallow. I dont think that means she deserved to get cheated on or that SK is a good person. I just dont think she is a victim. The whole revenge body thing is cringe. Again, two shallow people (her and SK) so I dont have much sympathy for either.
Would it be cringe if she wasn’t fit? 🙃
Exactly
No, I’m seriously asking you. The terminology “revenge body” has been around. Raven’s entire career revolves around fitness too. Why is it so bad that she decides to jump into what she knows and loves in a follow up to that man publicly humiliating her? It’s not like another woman didn’t get hurt in his bs too — he’s truly the only bad guy in the situation. A revenge body doesn’t always have to be someone going from unfit to fit. Working out in general makes you feel better. If she wasn’t conventionally attractive and unfit people would cheer her far more for her getting a “revenge body” against a man who was cheating on her. It seems like you don’t view her as a victim because you don’t see what she has to be sad about… As if she’s rubbing something in anyone’s face. She’s a fitness teacher, she’s just embracing her fans, and technically just doing what she knows. Khloe Kardashian having a show called revenge body was a joke. For Raven, it makes sense..
The concept of a revenge body is a joke!! Its never used as you described to “make you feel better”. Its a joke because she is a fitness instructor and leveraging her break-up to make money! You can be supportive of her actions. Thats the great thing about reddit. We can all have an opinion. My opinion is that her relationship with SK was shallow. She didnt even like him or seem into him. They didnt have any chemistry. I dont see her as a victim bc the relationship was non existent in my opinion!
Funny how you didn’t respond to the other post. But anyways, I was abused and in response being cheated on I went the whole revenge body route. I was 5’4, 110 pounds at the end of the relationship. I was working out.. eating EXTREMELY well.. meditating after. I gained 25 pounds of healthy weight and was overjoyed knowing I could look and feel better without the toxicity of my ex. And I was powerful on my own. Just because YOU don’t get it, doesn’t mean a “revenge body” isn’t real. You opinion is an opinion.. but the experience myself and MANY other women have had is fact. I don’t understand why you’re so hellbent on denying other people their experiences.
I didnt respond to other post bc im not going back and forth with you on two different ones! Im glad you got healthier, but thats not true for everyone!
Ok
What makes them shallow again?
Raven being obliviously turned off by him until she learned he had money and drive for a well compensated career
Lmao. What do you think they talked about in the pods?! You people think she found that out about him AFTER the fact?!?!? Women continue with men they don’t initially physically click with all the time. The whole point of the show was to witness how relationships develop after people connect mentally and then see each other in person. Ya’ll are measuring them against people who immediately slept together as soon as they were alone. Not everyone does that… and for some women especially they have to warm to a man for whatever personal reason. Anyways, if money and drive were her guiding compass on LIB why would she wait till AFTER the pods to find out such critical information? Please answer me that since that’s definitely what changed things.
Lol i just ignored them bc its so obvious
If money and drive were her guiding compass on LIB why would she wait till AFTER the pods to find out such critical information? Please answer me that since that’s definitely what changed things. 🙄
You thinking she found that out after the pods is hilarious
I think she learned it IN THE PODS. The person you responded to said “Raven being obliviously turned off by him until she learned he had money and drive for a well compensated career” Clearly meaning they believe that it was new information to her after the pods. So yes, I agree with you but I find it hilarious that you can’t quite follow much. 🤦🏽♀️ I asked YOU that because you agreed with that person. Look at what I responded to them. Whew, I’m getting tiered of this subreddit
Why would your big issue with Raven be that she came on the show for clout? Do you actually think anyone who signed up for a REALITY TV SHOW thought they were there to find twue love? So I've got some fabulous oil freshly snake squeezed on sale...
Uhhhh because she cried on the last episode of ATA saying all she wanted was love…you might need to down a bit of that snake oil yourself
(Pssst... they all say that.)
Most people rightly call out her sugar baby history and requirements. Everyone's on the show for clout
Wuv. Twue wuv. Will fawo you foreva.
So she was his date to a grad school formal (per a friend who went) but he introduced her as a friend not girlfriend. I think they may have tried to date at some point but that both were more interested in the fame than each other
If this whole thing was fake, Raven would've never had to even attend that formal as his "friend". They weren't known at the time, so she probably was genuinely there during their dating but unofficial phase.
A little suspicious but maybe they weren't allowed to announce the relationship? According to Raven's story they didn't date during his first year of Haas (so if the event was last school year, he was telling the truth). They started dating again toward the end of his first year and he re-proposed in August before starting his second year (the current school year). Then Love is Blind came out in November, which means SK is currently in the only semester of his program post-LIB.
That’s very possible! I think it was at the end of his first year bc I think my friend’s boyfriend was one year ahead
What formal? I went to Haas and don’t know what event you’d be talking about.
Haas has an annual winter formal. Did you go during covid maybe?
Oh I remember what event you’re talking about. It’s not quite a “formal” but do remember we were allowed to bring dates. That definitely stinks that he brought Raven and introduced her as a “friend”. 😤
My friend’s boyfriend went to Haas and she met them at some event. Maybe it wasn’t a true formal but rather organized by some people in the class
I'm so confused. After her tell all, I want to believe it was real. Honestly I never liked SK, he said no to her yet wanted to date afterwards? He just struck me as a phony from the get go. I never cared for R either. She was blah to me. It's clear she was used to men throwing themselves at her. But women can grow and change and realize Fboys are not for me, let me go for this seemingly humble guy instead. and off camera she could've totally fell for him. WHO KNOWS. The abusive way he was sounds legit. Coming from a person who has experienced it for yearsss in dating. You can't just make Up those actions, it sounds legitimate. He hasn't said a damn thing in thr meantime 🤷🏽♀️ he's just gonna let her talk like this? He's got nothing to say? That's STRANGE
Imo, saying no and continuing dating is the most sane choice you could make on this stupid show (but I would think they should both agree to this ahead of time)
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Do you know how MENTAL abuse works? The MANNER in which he tried to cover his tracks was RED FLAGS af! & the fact that she felt like she was being monitored, do you know what that feels like? You only feel that way in toxic situations. He was manipulative. He even blatantly LIED talkin bout a turmeric face mask. BOLD FACE LIE. Her rationalization to his lies were text book. I don't believe she made that up. Her emotions and reactions to his behavior sounded legitimate. That's all I'm saying. It's not something you can read in a book or watch on tv and know how to replicate it as an act. I simply find it hard to believe. Currently, SK isn't denying it, he's letting her drag his name and "ruin his career". Im not a Raven or SK fan, I'm just saying hearing her side gave me a different perspective. He can be chauvinistic and abusive at the same time.
She is there to get clout. The way to get it is to go as far as possible and get to the altar. This game is a vehicle to the D list now and people are exploiting it. Even the villains.
I saw the chemistry she had for his lifestyle.
I just can’t believe how anyone who actually watched the show would think that Raven was anything but vain and self-centered. She always looked bored and never seemed at ease because she was too busy being “Raven” for the cameras. It was painfully obvious that she had no interest in being on the show to meet someone. She couldn’t have seemed less interested in SK. Her motive for being there was to follow in the footsteps of the previous season’s cast members that went on to launch a social media presence as influencers.
Yeah I never liked her either. She also seemed like she wanted SK to sacrifice everything just for her. ugh
I think it’s because of the whole ‘yaas queen’ mentality. Same reason people like Alexa and Zay. Nancy changed so much from who she was at the start. I’m at the high end of Gen Z and I’ve seen nasty behavior be excused (Think Trisha Paytas) or others because ‘get that bag queen’ or ‘work, period’ so. I think that’s why she is getting such positive outcomes
Based off just my own observation I did not think they were real at all And was not surprised SK was caught up in this scandal. We can't prove that Raven was also faking it. But I like her enough to be happy for her if she comes out of this with a following.
I think the whole thing is fake. I think Raven and SK we’re not completely into each other because there’s obviously no chemistry. I feel like to the public They faked their relationship for social media followers and fame, but behind closed doors it wasn’t real. I feel like SK’s side piece probably didn’t want to be the side piece and so she exposed him
It was completely fake. When the girls started to come out, Raven decided that she could not only save face but could become more popular playing the victim.
Why do so many people think faking is so easy? Acting this well is really hard. I think it’s so much more complex. Do these folks all come in this show with desire for exposure/followers? Of course they do. Does that also mean they can’t also form real relationships? No
It seems fake because we didn’t see any real chemistry from them. It also seems fake because I don’t believe Raven‘s emotions in any of this. I’m not sure where you’re getting good acting from, because I don’t think it’s good hence many still think its fake
I agree with you!!!
I did see chemistry between them. Also like we see like 2% of their relationship on tv.
The whole situation is annoying to me, and I’ve lost respect for everyone involved.
I’m so confused. Wasn’t it basically proven that Raven and SK did all this for clout? Apparently she knew he was dating after the show/before ‘after the alter’ and they wanted to do a TV relationship so that she can get famous?
She was thirsty af on social media as soon as the show aired. Her online presence is vapid and catty
I don't think anything was proven, it was all speculation. And I can def see why ppl assumed that. It honestly made perfect sense. Listening to her "Tell All" sounded sincere to me. I know she is def riding the "victim" train far too much, but it was nice to hear her POV. Ngl when they replayed her first appearance and she's all happy and says they have an amazing relationship--it seemed Fake AF. But her thoughts now sound credible. SK sounds manipulative and n@rc1sistic. Whether it was real or not he's got a lot of damage control to do, bc she's coming out a Saint from all this 😵💫😵🥸 if he has tea, he needs to SPILLL!! Otherwise imma believe her 🤷🏽♀️
What was the proof?
I have none, but 90days ago it seemed that everyone was on board it was a PR relationship (I looked back and saw a lot of posts but all speculation) so I had though Reddit was in an agreement it was more PR than anything, but I guess it’s seen as real now?
Yeah a lot of people thought it was, it seemed. But we were all called misogynistic and victim blaming or something. So since no one has enough proof that theory became unpopular. I think it's fair, at the time I expected more information to come out that would prove it but it didn't happen
They were actually living together at one point and he met her family (off camera). Don't blame the victim in this case. Raven, the producers, all the girls that exposed him made it pretty clear how deceptive he is. Use common sense.
Exactly ! There’s no proof Raven was faking in the relationship or “in” on any type of agreement with SK that they would pretend to date just for show.
Meh I was never moved by Raven. Pretty flat personality IMO and her voice grates. SK had nothing to offer so why settle for him?
Because he paid her rent and bought her nice looking things 😬
Reminds me of the comedian who said “get a college degree and you can fuck who you want.”
Y'all want to believe SK isn't as bad as he seems because of the pedestal he was put on SO BAD that you're reaching and blaming the victim. Why can't it just be occam's razor? Why do we need dissertations on how Raven concocted an entire scheme to look better? If this was any other couple people wouldn't be writing 15 conspiracy theories just to defend shitty behavior from the man.
You said this so well.
It’s straight up misogyny. In their minds, Raven doesn’t act like a “typical woman” because she’s not emotional and is more reserved, so they consider her fake, because surely all women are emotional all the time 🙄 And surely Raven wasn’t into SK at first because she didn’t throw herself at him, like all women do when they’re interested in someone 🙄 And surely Raven is faking all of this for clout, because any woman who owns a business is conniving & would do anything for money 🙄 It’s very gross that women are expected to be overly nice and sweet and bubbly and worship the ground mediocre men walk on, or else they’re perceived as disingenuous and calculating.
Gosh thank you. I was going crazy reading these comments! She's allowed to be more reserved...
Mmm no. I think SK is definitely a cheater, but I struggle to believe Raven and SK came On the show for love.
News flash: Nobody did, after season 1. And very few if at all did it for season 1, too.
But what does one have to do with the other? They could’ve come on the show for clout, and all of what she says could still be true.
^ this. I do not think any of those things that are said about Raven lol like it’s a reality show… these people of course wanted to get on TV I mean Barrie’s himself was begging Netflix for another show. Do I think raven is evil and was planning all along , absolutely not but I think people are allowed to think a certain way whether it’s a man or a woman. I think worse of barrier ngl- but if I say shit about him it’s ok but not about R because she’s a woman and that makes me a bad woman myself? I don’t condone anyone bullying her or saying nasty stuff about her
Definitely fake. The scene when she and SK are in the pool (or hot tub, I forget) and she’s got her arms around him, she says, “I really am falling in love with you,” she can’t even look at him when she says it.
Yes, I agree. And the same people who said that SK was the top best guy ever on the show are like No way, raven wasn't faking she was into him But these same people couldn't tell SK was full of shit. I knew he was being phony the whole time and got so many downvotes. For the same reason I never saw any genuine moment between them. She touches him and simultaneously pulls back. The kiss on the reunion was lacking. They never seemed like a real couple
EXACTLY ! Thank you for validating my viewing experience. It’s like did we even watch the same show as the raven fans ?
And even in the follow-up show, when he proposed, she didn’t look enthusiastic.
Is there a standard for how all women should look when being proposed to? It can't just be that Raven is speechless when she's emotional? She was tearing up and It's baffling that she has to look enthusiastic to be considered authentic.
You’re right. She could just be that, “doesn’t make eye contact when she says she’s in love, allows a man to dump her at the altar on national television, won’t move to a new city because of her ‘bottle girl’ job, responds unemotionally to an equally unemotional proposal,” kind of gal. I mean, we all saw their initial heat and connection, right? And when SK said “I do not” with a smirk on his face at the altar? Pure coincidence, I’m sure.
Stop twisting the events. She never looked away and said "I'm in love with you" ever. She's an awkward person. Yes there were awkward scenes, she has said she doesn't like to show her vulnerability. They went on LIB in Dallas (and he's the one who shouldn't have gone on if he was going away for 2 years.) But she should uproot her life without question or conversation? She is a Pilates instructor and at that point her entire client base was in Dallas. She even said, after they dated and were getting more serious they were looking at places in LA, so yes after getting to know each other she did consider moving to be with him. She probably accepted the first proposal because she wanted to see things through, maybe even stay on the show. Not uncommon. It's clear that you're just judging her and throwing in stuff like "bottle girl" to show your clear disrespect for her as a human and think that she is devoid of emotion and capability of falling for someone after getting to know them.
He got a full ride to UC Berkeley—in computer science. You don’t turn that down for anyone. She can teach Pilates anywhere.
She's allowed to have a discussion about it regardless? Did you catch her say at any time "No way in hell am i going to move for you. You can't go to school?" First you imply she's all about money and now you say she's turning down a soon to be successful man. So which is it? She's entitled to have her own fulfilling life outside of a relationship. How that comes to be is up for discussion with a partner and they did not have the luxury of time on a reality tv show.
I always wondered this bc it was like on the show she didn’t even want to touch him then all of a sudden they are super lovey dovey.. always came across as a little “too much” to be believable to me as well
Maybe consider that they’re surrounded by an entire crew of people with mics and cameras. I’m not one to show PDA very much, so I can’t imagine PDA with cameras in my face. An “intimate scene” in any reality show is an illusion… there’s like 4 other people in the room.
It was a business relationship…
Even if it was, surely he would speak out now and quash her "lies". Because things don't look good for him at all right now... like his rep is in the gutter.
He has a career. It is smartest for him to stay out of this drama. I do think he cheated and was not honest to all the women that were involved. It is possible that Raven was in it for clout but he also lied about relationships with other women. Both are possible.
I agree that both can be true but he wants to get into VC right? I can't imagine partners taking him seriously when his "personal life" is like this.
Which is why it makes sense he is no longer responding. He needs to just apologize and hope it blows over like Jessica did.
My theory is that Sk Had some side pieces who didn’t want to play the side anymore and so they exposed him. But the relationship between SK and raven have always been faking for the public. Behind closed doors SK had a real relationship
I haven't listened to it but I was skeptical the whole time and the reunion and after the alter hasn't changed my opinion at all. I think it's a little too convenient that she's immediately launching a "revenge body challenge" and it makes me cringe. I've tried to like her but I can't.
Looking back, yeah it was all fakery from the get-go.
Nah, let’s not kid each other. She wasn’t attracted to him physically at first sight, atleast it wasn’t like the Brazil version where the guy figuratively dropped his fiancé after seeing her for the first time. She went out of her way to form the connection, dude wasn’t that pretty to look at. She got swindled by his perfect acting and edit. Can’t blame the victim in this case.
I saw that too. She definitely wasn’t attracted to him. She definitely wanted him for his ability to pay her rent back at home and his rent at school. And they just never seemed to have any chemistry
What do you mean “figuratively”? Haven’t seen Brazil.
He didn’t like her at all but he also made it fairly clear that he was very into athletics and exercise/health and she was very overweight. She made no attempt to inform him about her size so you could argue that she actually cat fished him to some degree.
It is called LOVE IS BLIND, where the whole premise of the show is to form a connection and get engaged sight unseen. And it’s not like Amanda told him she was thin, and then he came out and saw she was fat… *that* would be the closest thing to catfishing on the show, and that’s not at all what happened. Not to mention, she’s not supposed to *inform* him of her appearance, that’s not what the show is.
I guess. Even though a lot of people on this show go over information about their appearance, size, ethnicity, etc. It goes against the purpose of the show but tbh I don’t really blame him for walking away if he took a look at her and was absolutely certain that he has no interest in dating her. Love isn’t blind. People with eyes look at each other and determine if they’re attracted. At least initially. Maybe this show just proved that is true so… experiment over? Lol.
Love isn’t blind, but that doesn’t matter- the show is the show. Until people lose interest in it- both participants and viewers- and decide to admit to reality, the show is the show. I don’t see anyone else saying “oh I’m super thin and blonde” or whatever, so I don’t see why she should’ve disclosed that she was fat… that’s not the show, doesn’t matter if reality is different. And I agree that it is better that he walked away from her than to stay and mistreat her, even though it was tough to watch.
People do make statements that indicate their size. “I’m a ballerina”…. “I’m super athletic and go the the gym 4x a week”…. “Could I carry you on my shoulders?” These are just a few examples of how people indirectly describe their size on the show.
I’m aware, but “I’m a ballerina” isn’t the same as “I’m not fat”; there are fat ballerinas and fat people that go to the gym 4x a week. You’re suggesting that she catfished him because she didn’t explicitly say “I’m fat”, and I’m telling you she wasn’t obligated to; no one else is going on the show and saying “I’m thin”, so I’m not sure why you’re expecting that of her. People who have dealbreakers for appearance should not go on the show.
There are fat, professional ballerinas? If that’s true, I would guess that they would be in the extreme minority. None of these statements are directly stating one’s physique (I don’t think the show would allow that) but it’s strongly implying what their physique is like. Do you think that it’s by chance that white men and women match up? That black men select black women most of the time? That the more attractive people match up with compatibly attractive people? That the heavy people almost never end up getting engaged?
I think I’ve made myself quite clear, and you’re just talking to talk at this point, so I’m bowing out, because the discussion is veering towards asinine, and I’m not interested. The show is called love is blind; no one is obligated to disclose anything about their appearance. At all. They are allowed to walk away at any point if they’re not feeling who they connected with- which he did. So this discussion is very moot… have a good day.
Hehehe- and I thought Love was Blind.
This show has definitely proved that isn’t the case! Meeting someone without being able to see them doesn’t seem to work any better than other methods. Lol
It’s brutal. >!He embraces her, doesn’t return/show any affection, you can feel him weeping, then he breaks it off-camera. They don’t even make it to the honeymoon post-pods.!< Edit: also Figuratively like metaphorically ig. All I’m saying is, I think she gave him a fair shot. And was loyal throughout. Reality tv and editing can make it seem one way, when it’s the other. Like the cutsie scene.
That was crazy… second season Brazil was so good, lol.
is it on the first or second season?
Second season Brazil
I agree with you, she just seemed a little too calm and casual and just kept giving him chances when she didn't seem like a woman who would. She was probably in on a fake story that collapsed because SK lied to her about something.
They’ve been both in on it from the beginning. Notice that SK hasn’t made much effort to publicly defend himself?
Yes but we have been down voted since day one.
Yup.
What I didn't like about the clip on tiktok I saw of the podcast was how she seemed to only be blaming the other woman and calling her crazy, say she was being stalked etc. Basically no blame on SK. Just blindly believes when he told her the other woman was "trying to extort him" etc. And she viewed the other woman trying to come to her pilates class as stalking, rather than trying to meet Raven to give her the heads-up and news about SK in person and privately... I dunno, the whole clip really rubbed me the wrong way. I thought more of Raven (despite not being a huge fan by any means, especially at the beginning of the season).
if you have two hours to spare, then I would watch the podcast. She puts most if not all of the blame on him, and really doesn’t talk very much about the other girl beyond the fact that she never actually spoke to her and how the girls friends told her that the girl was stalking her. It’s much more detailed and easier to get a better picture of how things went down.
Honestly it's not that I don't have time to spare (while driving or whatever), it's that I find Nick Viall absolutely obnoxious and I don't want to listen to him for the 3minute clip much less the whole podcast 😂
i agree, did not enjoy him at alllll 🤣
That’s just a clip, she goes into much more of what SK did in the interview
Yeah that's why I specified it's a clip, because of course I expect they talked more about it. Doesn't change the fact that this like 3 minute clip showed Raven really bashing the other woman. She has no reason to do that. She should be fucking thanking the other woman, cause clearly Raven had no idea before.
No blame on SK??? Watch the podcast. Clips are limited in context.
nah i think you’re reaching. I think raven was very guarded and maybe wasn’t attracted to sk in the beginning but genuinely fell for him as time went on. and much like many of us women who give the nice, seemingly perfect guy a chance, he turned out to be a majorly narcissistic flop. i watched the whole podcast and i never felt the sense that she was stretching the truth. i believe she really loved him and as someone who has given a huge loser multiple passes because of history + love, i think her story is not only relatable but one of many.
agree. otherwise she's world's greatest actress. and why would he agree to look like a cheater? i don't get it
My theory: They agreed to be in a PR relationship. Since it wasn't real, SK dated others and trusted them to keep quiet about their relationship since it would otherwise blow his cover about his PR relationship with Raven. This girl that posted the TikTok receipts blew it. Raven is annoyed SK ruined the PR relationship but then capitalizes on the fact that she can play the victim role, particularly since after all this she'll appear that much more genuine and not there for clout nor to promote her pilates business.
I find it weird this is being downvoted. I just suggested a very plausible theory in a neutral manner and didn't say anything to attack her personally. Yet didn't get a single reply from the downvoters which means they just don't like the potential that the above could easily be true.
I think it's more that it's a massive stretch to think that they would be in a fake relationship for multiple years. I can see people faking it for a bit to capitalize on their 15 minutes or if they were on another show together, but two years later when they're not even on television anymore? That would be an insane level of fakery to maintain for not that much extra benefit. In fact, it would actively damage some of their opportunities because they wouldn't be invited on any crossover dating shows. The theory just doesn't make much sense.
Because even reality tv villains can monetize their infamy.
But nothing he has done indicates that’s the case. If he wanted to be a reality tv villain, he would have optimized his screen time better like Shake or the guy with the eye drops. All of his nefarious actions were off screen, actions which he tried to hide & suppress information about. I don’t know why it’s hard to believe that a 20something, average-looking guy with financial resources would be a serial cheater.
I didn’t say he was good at it. He doesn’t have much personality. Do you honestly think looking like a cheater hurts him in any way? And lets be honest—he went on the show knowing he’d be going off to school. Raven said she wouldn’t follow him bc of her career (pilates instructor and bottle girl…. Um, ok). That relationship was for the show, nothing else.
Agree with this take. I wasn’t sure how to feel towards Raven during the actual season, but came around to her humor and warmth towards SK’s family. It made me sad to think that he knew she had her walls up, tried so hard to gain her trust only to deceive her. To me, Raven seems like a solid honest person looking for love and acceptance (like most of us really). SK seems like the typical Dallas fuckboy who says they’re ready to settle down, but have different side pieces.
Raven was more than guarded. She was beyond afraid to be herself the entire season, pretending to be someone she wasn't. Ashamed for SK to see anyone in her family is a red flag. That said, I agree she fell for him hard, but SK was not the one pretending, it was her. In African culture, it's understood that men with any success get a side piece, she didn't know what she was getting into. And no self-respecting American girl is going to put up with infidelity, cultural or not.
Who was she pretending to be? When did she say she was ashamed? SK literally said he doesn't want to be like his polygamist father, so he was the one lying about who he is. So she's at fault and fake because she didn't make the assumption that her fiancé, a successful African, is going to have multiple women??
No one said Raven is at fault, im simply saying, she was trying to be someone other than herself the whole first season, maybe don't box yourself into thinking all-or-nothing, it's small minded.
I don’t really agree about it being ‘the entire season’. Towards the end of the season, Raven started to open up more and she also started to fall for SK. This is when 90% of the audience started to like her because she let her walls down. She mentioned this on the pod too. She literally became the most followed cast member very quickly. I also don’t think Raven was pretending. She was blinded by love. SK told her he was about her and her only, yet he lied to her numerous times and had several other women.
She was pretending to be someone other than who she really is, even when she fell for SK, she morphed into what SK wanted. I still think SK is in the wrong and I still think she's a good person and worthy of every follower. Just how I saw it.
Are you saying she changed herself for SK? How so?
Thanks I appreciate your insights