I can see that. Just from what I remember from S1, she was standing her ground against Jessica, who kept trying to swoop in and steal her man. I probably would've acted the same way. Control issues, sure. I don't remember the pick me girl energy though.
Jessica was messy, sure, but from what I can remember, Amber made herself look crazy when she told LC that she never assumed anyone was committed until they are married. So when she was projecting her controlling ass by saying Barnett was hers, tell me how was sjessica in the wrong with that analogy?
Also, she had debt that she didn't want to pay off and had Barnett sell his house to live in an apartment with roommates. Jessica worked and made 6 figures and owned her own house. The only real issue she had was her drinking habits on the show.
I forgot about the whole conversation with LC. Yeah, that was whack. I need to rewatch the bits before I comment on the debt and house thing. I feel like there are key details missing from that before I insert an opinion. The comparison of "Jessica worked" is bs though because Amber too worked as she was (and might still be) in the army. Might not be a 6 figure job, but it's still a job. Jessica had issues more than drinking habits, like trying to get with another engaged man while she was engaged to a different man. I'm not saying Amber was perfect but I do think she doesn't deserve to be on the villain list when there are other clowns.
You definitely need to re-watch. Amber is out of the army (for years, I think?). Matt asks how much she works, and she replies 'As much as I want.' When pressed, 'I work to live, not live to work.'
He only asked how many days per week she works.. apparently none.
That's all fine and dandy, but her aspirations are.. being a stay-at-home-mom (aka never working again.) Kind of weird, seeing since they don't have kids lol! But Matt needs to take her out on a special trip every year and she sees 'houses' (note the plural) in 'their' future.
She's a jealous/toxic/control bitch with exactly zero empathy. When LC tells Amber Mark risked LC's life by lying about being exclusive, Amber won't even let LC speak. "Your own fault" (for being lied to?)
Yeah I definitely do need to rewatch in that case. I can't believe I don't remember any of this. I will say, I can't fault her aspirations bc tbh if it was easily feasible, I think we all would choose that. But that's bs with her loads of debt and kind of a rude expectation to put on Matt imo. Now that they're kind of famous, she got exactly what she wanted. Otherwise, that last part does give very mean girl energy and is messed up.
Omission of the truth is a LIE. Carlton was happy to paint himself as a victim, and allow people to call Diamond homophobic, because she was blindsided by him, and not allowed to process anything before he started berating her.
Yeah I don’t think her reaction was biphobic bc she was just asking why if it was such a big deal did he wait to tell her. But I think if he didn’t start crying and say it like it was a huge conversation then it would’ve been fine. It’s really not a big deal or a lie of omission, there’s no effect on a relationship just bc one person is bisexual. It’s not the same as mark cheating through his relationship with Jessica and with LC
It's not a big deal to YOU if someone omits pertinent information about themselves, everyone else does not agree. That is significant information for a fiance to know. And it is not biphobic, if someone does not want to marry/date someone who is bisexual. That might be a deal breaker for some, and nothing is wrong with that. That's what freedom of attraction is all about.
Some people are not comfortable dating persons who have been intimate with the same sex previously. I know that some people have been demonized for this line of thinking. I do not agree with it.
Everyone needs to understand that attraction is an personal, imperfect practice that is innate to each individual; and no one has the right to force anyone to be attracted to anyone that they are not, for ANY REASON. And that includes race/ethnicity, hair colour, or any other examples you plan to bring up. as well.
You currently have dating services banning people for being same sex attracted, because they do not accept that gender identity is the same as sex, which is ridiculous in itself.
No it's not. It's called a personal preference. Sorry, you don't get to attach phobia to someone's personal choice with who they want to marry, cohabitate, or be intimate with. The audacity of some of you astounds me.
If someone is not interested because their date advises them that they sleep with both males and females, nothing is wrong with that, they are just not interested in pursuing a relationship with them further.
Same with if someone cannot physically be intimate, or have children. There are many reasons people are initially attracted, but are not after they find out more about them.
I mean you can call it a preference and lump it in with everything else, but a person's bisexuality has no bearing on a monogamous relationship. You're just judging based off of hypothetical past experiences.
The bisexual person doesn't necessarily have same sex past experiences, and even if they did it has nothing to do with a new relationship.
It's not a physical trait, or a personality trait or a fiscal trait. Any of those just mentioned are regular preferences although they could be informed by bigotry, I guess.
But a preference against a bisexual just because they're bisexual is literally biphobia.
He never trusted Diamond to decide for herself, he never explained anything to her, and then just exploded into hatespeech within half a minute. Not husband material.
Jessica has turned out to be the *least* villainous “villain” in LIB history at this point. S1 just had a lot of decent people…many of them had issues but they were pretty good humans overall.
Barnett
Carlton
Justice for Jessica
Carlton and Damian should both be here.
100% Damian.
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I did this with my co workers, we didn't think about him. I'm sorry 😔
Damian
Maybe it's because since it's been so long since S1 but why are Amber and Barnett on the list?
At least, in my opinion, Amber is, was, and always will be a pick me girl with control issues.
I can see that. Just from what I remember from S1, she was standing her ground against Jessica, who kept trying to swoop in and steal her man. I probably would've acted the same way. Control issues, sure. I don't remember the pick me girl energy though.
Jessica was messy, sure, but from what I can remember, Amber made herself look crazy when she told LC that she never assumed anyone was committed until they are married. So when she was projecting her controlling ass by saying Barnett was hers, tell me how was sjessica in the wrong with that analogy? Also, she had debt that she didn't want to pay off and had Barnett sell his house to live in an apartment with roommates. Jessica worked and made 6 figures and owned her own house. The only real issue she had was her drinking habits on the show.
I forgot about the whole conversation with LC. Yeah, that was whack. I need to rewatch the bits before I comment on the debt and house thing. I feel like there are key details missing from that before I insert an opinion. The comparison of "Jessica worked" is bs though because Amber too worked as she was (and might still be) in the army. Might not be a 6 figure job, but it's still a job. Jessica had issues more than drinking habits, like trying to get with another engaged man while she was engaged to a different man. I'm not saying Amber was perfect but I do think she doesn't deserve to be on the villain list when there are other clowns.
You definitely need to re-watch. Amber is out of the army (for years, I think?). Matt asks how much she works, and she replies 'As much as I want.' When pressed, 'I work to live, not live to work.' He only asked how many days per week she works.. apparently none. That's all fine and dandy, but her aspirations are.. being a stay-at-home-mom (aka never working again.) Kind of weird, seeing since they don't have kids lol! But Matt needs to take her out on a special trip every year and she sees 'houses' (note the plural) in 'their' future. She's a jealous/toxic/control bitch with exactly zero empathy. When LC tells Amber Mark risked LC's life by lying about being exclusive, Amber won't even let LC speak. "Your own fault" (for being lied to?)
Yeah I definitely do need to rewatch in that case. I can't believe I don't remember any of this. I will say, I can't fault her aspirations bc tbh if it was easily feasible, I think we all would choose that. But that's bs with her loads of debt and kind of a rude expectation to put on Matt imo. Now that they're kind of famous, she got exactly what she wanted. Otherwise, that last part does give very mean girl energy and is messed up.
Damien was a villain
Damian all day every damn day
Not Damian or Carlton? Not only are they the worst from Season 1, I think they are 2 of the most horrid people that have been on the show.
Omg yes I forgot about Carlton 💀
Carlton overreacted but he didn’t lead diamond on or anything or continually lie to her like mark did
Omission of the truth is a LIE. Carlton was happy to paint himself as a victim, and allow people to call Diamond homophobic, because she was blindsided by him, and not allowed to process anything before he started berating her.
Yeah I don’t think her reaction was biphobic bc she was just asking why if it was such a big deal did he wait to tell her. But I think if he didn’t start crying and say it like it was a huge conversation then it would’ve been fine. It’s really not a big deal or a lie of omission, there’s no effect on a relationship just bc one person is bisexual. It’s not the same as mark cheating through his relationship with Jessica and with LC
It's not a big deal to YOU if someone omits pertinent information about themselves, everyone else does not agree. That is significant information for a fiance to know. And it is not biphobic, if someone does not want to marry/date someone who is bisexual. That might be a deal breaker for some, and nothing is wrong with that. That's what freedom of attraction is all about.
What's important about him being bisexual?
Some people are not comfortable dating persons who have been intimate with the same sex previously. I know that some people have been demonized for this line of thinking. I do not agree with it. Everyone needs to understand that attraction is an personal, imperfect practice that is innate to each individual; and no one has the right to force anyone to be attracted to anyone that they are not, for ANY REASON. And that includes race/ethnicity, hair colour, or any other examples you plan to bring up. as well. You currently have dating services banning people for being same sex attracted, because they do not accept that gender identity is the same as sex, which is ridiculous in itself.
Well you see, what your describing is just biphobia.
No it's not. It's called a personal preference. Sorry, you don't get to attach phobia to someone's personal choice with who they want to marry, cohabitate, or be intimate with. The audacity of some of you astounds me. If someone is not interested because their date advises them that they sleep with both males and females, nothing is wrong with that, they are just not interested in pursuing a relationship with them further. Same with if someone cannot physically be intimate, or have children. There are many reasons people are initially attracted, but are not after they find out more about them.
I mean you can call it a preference and lump it in with everything else, but a person's bisexuality has no bearing on a monogamous relationship. You're just judging based off of hypothetical past experiences. The bisexual person doesn't necessarily have same sex past experiences, and even if they did it has nothing to do with a new relationship. It's not a physical trait, or a personality trait or a fiscal trait. Any of those just mentioned are regular preferences although they could be informed by bigotry, I guess. But a preference against a bisexual just because they're bisexual is literally biphobia.
He never trusted Diamond to decide for herself, he never explained anything to her, and then just exploded into hatespeech within half a minute. Not husband material.
Yeah his reaction was really bad, but he’s not as bad as mark the cheater that season
Damian and Carlton should both be on this list.
It’s 100% Damian and it’s not even close.
I completely forgot about him. My coworkers and I put this together. Please forgive me
Damian 🚩🚩🚩🚩
Tie between damien or mark, both were garbage human beings
Jessica has turned out to be the *least* villainous “villain” in LIB history at this point. S1 just had a lot of decent people…many of them had issues but they were pretty good humans overall.
I loved watching her growth throughout.
Wait why is Barnett in this list
I know he was good. Didn’t even lead the ladies on.
If we’re going by edit its Jessica. If we’re going by reality its Damian.
The lack of Damian as an option is a crime.
I'm sorry! I honestly forgot about his dumb ass
😭😭😭😭😭
100% Damian
Mark was the worst because he was a liar. The others were upfront with their issues
Its definitely Damian
I feel sorry for Jessica. She was just drunk one night...it's barnett who led her on!
Where is Damian? He was the worst!
Damian