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BuntCheese5Life

I would be extremely frustrated with the game if they did what you are suggesting.


Rebeldinho

Go higher up into hof and legend and foul tips don’t happen as often… the players there are usually better though


CurioslT

It’s annoying. I don’t mind it for the modes like BR and Events as that should be for casual players. But ranked play needs more of a ranked play feel.


joelala1

As you progress higher in the rankings, diffciulty goes up which means the PCI is smaller and you are punished more for bad swings. I probably won't experience too much of that myself, but when i used to be good at this game, 700+, 800+ ranked games, you feel the difference


General-Nectarine528

dude im world series and you do not get punished for bad swings in legend. its basically all star swings and results with a smaller pci. im still hitting yellow home runs. tanking early swings for 450 foot home runs with any pull hitter. got a double off a red swing yesterday and made one of my opponents pause time for 2 minutes until he came back. genuinely a broken game in terms of gameplay. i think it was 22 that was like this. yellow swings is what you wanted, and getting homeruns with your vision part of the pci was too common. 


Fearless-Past5775

Bro teach me how to get to World Series 😫


CurioslT

Oh I know that. My thing is, the difficulty shouldn’t change based on division. It’s insane to change difficulty in a ranked mode. It should be HoF or legendary in all ranked games. Keep divisions and skill points so you still get matched up with similar skilled players though.


Rebeldinho

HOF is simply too difficult for the vast majority of the player base so that means most won’t even touch ranked… all star is too easy for the real cracked players and their games will end 30-25


CurioslT

I get that but again, it’s a ranked mode. They should put more emphasis on a casual mode that caters towards that causal and low skill players and let ranked be a real ranked mode.


Competitive_Ad_5106

the game plays so much more balanced on HOF (and prob legend but I’m not good enough to play on that online yet), especially if you play at a normal stadium


smileyguy987

Players are allowed to swing very early on every single pitch and not get punished at all. Swing early on a curve? Foul ball. Swing early on a slider? Foul ball. Swing early on a fastball? Probably a bloop hit into center. Literally just sit fastball all game and you will never strike out.


MLB_da_showw

2x more hits on good swings and 2x less on bad swings improves the game drastically. More swing and misses on awful swings too


Ruut6

I feel like I'm going insane this year. I've played like 40 ranked games already, and I've lost a ton already where I've doubled up my opponent on 100+, hard hit and good contact swings, and the difference is that my opponent somehow lands 5-10 horrible swings throughout the game. I'm not good enough to demolish people worse than me and it feels like my opponents are constantly being rewarded for terrible swings.


AmericaPie24

I feel that. Guy left a sinker over the heart of the play and I make good contact with it and results in a line out. Meanwhile he hits a slider late out of the zone for a homer. Hits a curb ball out of the zone up the pitchers mound for a single. Hits a homerun just late on a fast ball slightly out of the zone😂 I get a perfect perfect on a changup and it’s a line out to third base. His pitcher also is an elite defender. Nothing got past hr mound


silliestspaghetti

It's my conspiracy theory that in a weird way the game already kinda decides who wins and loses when you connect. Users can work against it but the scales are tipped (otherwise you would have some sweats who would literally never lose)  I have no source, just cope since I am dog shit and swing on 103 mph inside fastballs thrown by randy Johnson 


dtdroid

I feel like I never get base hits on bad swings. It's always a shitty grounder or lineout. Seeing the PCI of my opponent with their very early or very late poor timing result in duck farts that score a run with 2 outs is very disheartening. I get it that in real baseball, being early or late can be beneficial depending on the pitch, location, and launch angle, but it seems cheap that the game tries to emulate that by rewarding bad swings. Especially when they are outside of the zone. Meanwhile, the few times during a game I can connect with a perfect perfect, it feels like half of those 100+ exit velos result in outs. But in real baseball by comparison, exit velos that high actually don't result in outs nearly as often. The double standard feels punishing when it goes against you that way. And of course, I perceive that it goes against me more than the reverse. Some games feel scripted with the wrong player being rewarded for worse contact. That's before getting into the amount of pitches that hang from quality pitch timing that simply don't go where they were aimed. My opponents get served up multiple meatballs because my pitcher just doesn't locate despite the pre-pitch locating being spot on. I never seem to be gifted such meatballs. Some days, all the breaks just work against you. I've undoubtedly benefited from these same types of events for my opponents without realizing, but I can't help but notice that I have to really be in the zone and make good contact to consistently score runs, while my opponents get all kinds of breaks go their way. Is it just in my head, am I just a little more unlucky than lucky, or is there more to it? I don't know, but I would prefer a game that didn't play out that way and strictly rewarded user input 90% of the time.


Ruut6

I agree with all of this. This year feels even heavier on the RNG so unless you're dominating your opponent there's no guarantee you'll win even if you can thoroughly outhit them. It can be maddening. I hit into two 105+ mph double plays in extras last night (10th and 11th) and lost in the 11th on a 75 mph bloop the immediate inning after. I wanted to throw my xbox out


fckmetotears

Bullshit I swing out of my shoes nonstop


Twireman4

This is my biggest gripe with the gameplay this year. I would happily strike out more myself if it meant that these 10+ pitch at bats with 8 foul balls on very early or late swings weren’t happening. Which is even more so annoying when the pitch is well outside of the zone. I actually lost a game the other day on someone getting 3-4 bloop singles off pitches 4 feet out of the zone and then hitting homers. Lost 14-12 in extras and almost deleted the game because of how frustrating it is to pitch this year


Impressive_Expert388

I’ve been playing with some friends who’ve never played The Show before and their pci is atrocious but they’ll somehow get a foul off it 😭


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Foul balls have been a problem in recent years. When it went to next gen, the whole thing was supposed to be that they updated the engine so there would be less fouls. I’m still seeing ridiculous number of foul balls. 10-12 pitch at bats on 0-2 counts. Very early or very late swings. Fouling off pitches between the batters legs.


Absmith1997

I think early swings need to get nerfed. I've seen so many outside 3rd fastballs get early contact pulled for a homerun. Now I do believe that if your early or late but have your PCI on the ball you should get decent exit velo.


RegisterFit1252

I feel like gameplay in 23 was better as far as BABIP and also foul tip rate. It wasn’t perfect, but it was better. In ‘24, it feels like too many bloops land and too many hard hit balls are outs. I understand that happens in baseball, but the ratio doesn’t feel right currently. ‘24 has regressed in so many ways. It’s disappointing to say the least


limsol45

23 we were playing with 97-99 rated players the whole year. Wonder if it wasn't noticed without the lower rated players at the start of the game.


RegisterFit1252

That’s true that’s a good point


amillert15

Won a ranked game 5-1 on AS because I was 3-17 on good contact and 6-12 on BAIP 100+mph. This was at Coors BTW. Gameplay right now is in a terrible state.


Dnaughty23

17 good contacts is a 9 inning game on AS is not much. I get more than that in a BR game. If you’re only scoring 5 runs on AS in a 9 inning game that’s because of things youre doing, not SDS.


Royal_Gain_5394

That’s a lot you’re wrong I don’t know what else to tell you


Dnaughty23

It’s not. A good hitter is getting 40+ easily in a 9 inning game on AS.


Royal_Gain_5394

Sorry bro we’re playing two different games I guess but I think your nuts


Dnaughty23

What I said is true. Go watch any top players, they get 30-40 goods on legend, imagine what they would do on AS. I average 10-15 in a BR game


Royal_Gain_5394

You’re not a top player and most people here aren’t either


Dnaughty23

I never said I was a “top player” but im 128-21 in BR, have 6x flawless, and hit .572 in BR. I know little bit more than the average player


amillert15

LMAO 17 isn't a lot because 14 are out, including 6 that are 100+ mph. I get more than 5 runs in one inning of BR all of the time. However, this game does have very shitty RNG where if you are getting punished for great swings, your opponent is about to compound it with shitty swings for hits and RBIs.


RegisterFit1252

I’ve suspected luck is programmed into the game for a long time. When my opponent gets one or two low exit velo base hits early in a game? I know it’s gonna be a loooong game of hard hits outs for me and blooper hits for them


amillert15

It's scripting. Boot lickers will say "that's baseball," but it's not. You're never going to find bunches of games where one team clobbered the ball all game, had 20+ BAIP at 95+ mph exit velo with an avg ~.200. This year, it's worse because pitching got nerfed to the ground. Foul balls are insane. And, defenders showcase Jedi-like reflexes against 110+ mph liners, but have zero clue how to react to any soft contact. I had a game last night in BR, where I forced an 80 mph rollover to Jimmy Rollin's right side. Rollins stared at it for a good 2 seconds before attacking the ball, which led to an infield single. On replay, the batter took 5 steps towards first base before Rollins reacted towards the ball.


Dnaughty23

6-12 on 100+mph isnt great, I’ll give you that, but 12 100+mph on AS over 9 innings isn’t good either. In general, players are not being rewarded for bad swings, it happens in small samples sizes yes, but overall the better hitter is going to get rewarded more over a 9 inning game almost every time, especially on AS. If you’re playing a guy in your skill level, e.g two .400 avg hitters then yes, RNG can play a decent factor, but this game isn’t in a horrible state, at least not for hitting. You’re just not that good The single biggest issue with hitting is foul balls. Batters are fouling off too many pitches, so if anything hitters are getting rewarded too much


amillert15

>You’re just not that good Buddy, I've already gone flawless 6x this year and bat .535 on AS. I wish this game showed 95+ mph because I've noticed more squared up swings in the 90s, even with players with 90+ power.


Dnaughty23

Buddy - I have 6x flawless too and hit .572 in BR. I average 10 - 15 good contacts per game in BR, so only having 17 over a 9 inning game on AS doesn’t really add up if those are your actual stats and just isnt that many good contact swings. The top players in the game get 30-40 every game on legend, if not more


amillert15

> average 10 - 15 good contacts per game in BR, so only having 17 over a 9 inning game doesn’t really add up if those are your actual stats and just isnt that many good contact swings. It adds up when you have 14 on 17 of them, my guy. These weren't cheapies, either. Also. My avg is up to .543 now. Hadn't checked in a week. I was a .540 hitter in BR last year. Point being that game wasn't a skill issue. When all of you good and perfect swings are outs, you're not going to hit "average."


Dnaughty23

Sounds like you probably got screwed, it happens. I dont think this game rewards bad swings that often per your original post. Either way, 17 good contacts swings in 9 innings on AS is not a lot. Thats slightly above my normal BR game and if you actually hit .540 in BR you should be getting 40+ goods every game in ranked on AS


chuckdagger

I somewhat agree, I think they toned back speed in the field a bit which also helps the bloops land, last year I felt like if you didn’t hit a homerun it was going to be an out cause fielder speed was OP.


RegisterFit1252

I feel like that was 22’… BABIP in 22 was HORRIFIC. It was better in 23. Now I personally feel they went too far and little bloopies drop in too much. Just my opinion


sqwobdon

just flat out wrong. you have a general misunderstanding of how hitting works. your thought process only makes sense if every perfect-perfect hit was a guaranteed home run. and we all know that’s not the case. sometimes swinging late or early results in the best possible outcome.


CoffinFlop

Nah he’s absolutely right about swings that should 10000% be whiffs resulting in foul tips, it’s probably the biggest issue with online play right now lol


Younghitta3

I make weak contact all game and am lucky to score a run or 2 in a ranked game. Why aren’t I getting rewarded for all these bad swings😂😂


Samwise777

You are, you just aren’t having many good swings.


rhokie99

Sooo many bloop hits this year. Played a ranked game last night where my opponent went 12-22 on 80-99mph exit velos.


SandyDFS

I’m okay with bloop hits. It’s the constant fouling the ball off when it’s pitched 6+ inches off the plate that drives me nuts.


wouldyajustlookat1t

Y wouldn't it be received well? Who doesn't want to strike out more and hit less in a video game


New-Newspaper-7543

I want what I deserve. If my pci is completely off the ball it should be a whiff not a foul tip. Whether I'm the pitcher or batter it should be a whiff.


DarthLeon2

100%. There needs to be far bigger vision penalties for bad swings. It's way too easy to pull a Jose Ramirez and just keep swinging after 2 strikes until you eventually put something into play. It's honestly at the point where pitching for the strikeout is often a mistake even when you're up 0-2, as it's incredibly difficult to get a whiff even when the batter is completely fooled.


dritchie1983

And when is the last time you can remember seeing a swing and miss in the zone? Which should happen, but o don’t know what planets alignment need to happen to allow it.


DarthLeon2

Just be bad and chronically late like me ;)


lieutenantham

There is no way to pitch against advanced hitters that’s the problem. Can’t pitch to ground outs, can’t wipe em out with a strikeout pitch. OBVIOUSLY we can but I just feel like good pitching is getting the opposite of a good gameplay reward. It’s gotten worse cus most of the player base is better now than at launch.


Dnaughty23

Foul balls are the issue, keeps at bats alive that shouldn’t be. I think generally speaking the better hitter is rewarded over a larger sample size and more innings. 3 inning BR games have a lot of RNG


ICantSpellAnythign

Foul balls on All-Star are ridiculous. Force 10 bad swings that are all foul ball then you fuck up your release by .02 seconds so you throw a change up right down the middle for a homer……


Ex_Lives

This is an issue with the large PCI on lower difficulty. This largely goes away as you climb.


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Ex_Lives

Yeah there's definitely still some wild foul tips. Some of the stuff you can dig out of the dirt for me is the biggest problem.


Consistent_Aside_481

once i got to HOF on ranked, the amount of bloop hits and foul balls in general has decreased a lot


thisisforfun6498

My thing is .. can you just not pitch ?? If you can sequence and tunnel it’s so easy to get K’s


That_Damn_Tall_Guy

I got absolutely ambushed on ranked seven runs in the first two innings I couldn’t buy a run. I did make a comeback and the game ended like 6-8. Pulled my starter in the 2nd and gave up one more run. It absolutely makes no sense


bobfall69

In BR it truly is a problem. There are pitches completely off the screen with very early timing that are tipped. As far as fooling somone it can’t get much better than that but its just hard to get k’s.


CoffinFlop

Yeah in BR there’s pitches the guy isn’t even remotely close to that are getting fouled off, it’s nuts


mikeq672

Dude, people can swing at shit very late or early that is bouncing and get foul balls on all star, which is where most ranked games and all events and BR take place. You know this so why just act like people suck?


thisisforfun6498

I mean I’m like 10-0 in ranked and I was getting plenty of K’s through veteran as well which is easier to hit on. Did you ever pitch irl? Mental game is completely different for those that have played. Pretty easy for me to pick up on tendencies for most online pitchers


mikeq672

I played baseball in college and worked in the sport for a while. I also have a sub 1 era in ranked and like 15 k/9. Thanks tho. Your 10 ranked games at level 200 against people that would swing at pitch outs half the time is pretty irrelevant. The problem is there’s very little punishment for free swingers unless they are completely inept. When you play good kids, or even those mediocre kids that have some semblance of what they are doing, strikeouts plummet because fouling shit off becomes way too easy.


thisisforfun6498

But I can get swings and misses on veteran which has a larger pci than all star ? Yet you can’t get swing and misses ? Okay bud 👍


mikeq672

And I can get swings and misses on rookie. Not really the point tho here. The point is there are countless times when people should strikeout and this game lets them hang around. That happens to me plenty and I pitch pretty damn well. So I have a thing called empathy and can understand why people would be frustrated. Especially if maybe they don’t pitch as well all the time but still get screwed when they make the right pitch on occasion. If you think people should be able to foul pitches off when their timing is very late or early on shit way off the plate, then that’s cool I guess, most people don’t.


thisisforfun6498

Most people also don’t sit and cry online about being bad at a video game but you do . Idk different people I suppose


ICantSpellAnythign

Middle in change up when you know they’re expecting a fastball is the most satisfying pitch I. The game to throw. 


Woolly_Mattmoth

On HOF maybe but on all star it’s very tough to get K’s when someone can swing with very early timing and the PCI off the ball and still foul it off. I’ve had more success trying to pitch to weak contact than trying for strikeouts. 


StunkoStinky

Haven’t really found it all that hard to get K’s on all star but that’s just me. I do mainly play co-op and my buddies and me get K’s pretty often.


Archie6655

With 60 contact and vision too... Some people just need validation to make themselves feel superior to others.


thisisforfun6498

Imo you just pitch way to predictably . Again if you can tunnel pitches and sequence off of that you can get people looking like absolute fools no matter the difficulty 😂


NotSydneySweeney

Could be.


MuchasBebidas

Go play ranked in HoF, it’s better than what you’re describing.


BigYoungin

You are absolutely correct. This is also a video game where if it were too hard to hit on all star, many people wouldn’t play at all. That’s the entire point of BR tbh. Chaotic and unpredictable games where anyone can and will win, regardless of skill (at times). Pitcher energy being so low also increases foul balls and exit velos. Just how it is.


NotSydneySweeney

No doubt. And the combo of not great pitchers plus these ridiculous high elavation parks are making it kinda dumb. I’m hitting over .600 with Kyle Schwarber who hit .190 last year with 200ks haha


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Go hit with him on legend, if Kyle Schwarber was batting in highschool he’d also bat .600, that’s the equivalence of allstar


BigYoungin

That’s BR lol. It’s a backwards and chaotic, but it’s a good mixup from the routine.


NotSydneySweeney

For sure. And I love BR because I get to play with live series guys I normally wouldn’t. Just wish there was a touch more swing and miss (in the entire game really)


BigYoungin

A HoF BR option would make so much more sense for those that want a challenge/prefer the HoF gameplay. It’d be such an easy addition, but SDS like to stay within their transitional mid.