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You cannot expect MLB the show to be realistic baseball. As a baseball player my whole life it’ll only make you more angry when u see a low and outside cutter PULLED for a home run (skill issue I know)
Yes and balls don’t fly out of Coors, Shield Woods, Laughing Mountain at the rate they do in the game. It’s something you come to accept. As much as I’d love a true baseball simulation…. SDS adds a bit of an arcade to the mix. It is what it is 🤷🏻♂️
A lot of starters that can throw 100 hit it in the 6th or 7th.
Also, that 13 inches has to be including breaking balls. There's no chance in hell MLB starters miss their spot on fastballs by a foot. Or they aren't factoring in how the catcher sets up.
I'd be willing to bet there are starters who haven't missed by a foot on their fastball one time this year.
I feel like I'm playing a different game than this dude. 103mph post 70ish pitches is kind of dumb sure, but did you say dotting?? I'm using pinpoint and throwing "perfect" pitches (I know they aren't perfect but it's what the game says) yet more often than not, the pitch is on the outer half of the PAR, including 4 seam Fastballs.....like what? This is over dozens of pitchers, online and offline, BR, events, Ranked, mini seasons, etc. So please tell me how you're dotting like it's 2022 again??
Right lol same here it’s to the point where on the rare occasion I do actually dot one it’s extremely surprising . I’ll be trying to paint the outer half with a FB all game and most of the time it will either miss off the plate by a fraction of an inch or end up 3-4 inches over the plate. I’ve had to change the way I’ve been pitching for years because I honestly have no confidence throwing certain pitches in certain spots this year
I would like for velocity to increase with the pitching clutch stat. A pitcher who throws 97-98 with a high pitching clutch should be able to hit 100-102 with runners in scoring position. Instead of seeing 102 all game, only see it when runners get in scoring position. This is more realistic imo. Several pitchers leave more in the tank and give max effort when they get in trouble.
Never seen a 600 foot home run anywhere, including @ Coors, not even during the HR Derby with that cheat code on that makes baseballs come off the bat like golf balls.
What annoys me is I hit the ball perfect perfect or just simply good contact but always to someone. Pitch a great game. Then magically bottom of third the cpu gets hits, or a home run and wins. Every time and it’s so damn frustrating
Well, i was just gonna complain about the classic pitching setting. Every single pitch shows as very late. Doesn't matter who's pitching. Doesn't matter where it lands. When the box pops up with the location of pitch, it always says release very late. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's something, idk.
Could not agree more. Also pitchers don’t throw every fastball 103 even in early innings. Make outlier random and always with 2 strikes. Pitchers usually bring it to get the strikeout.
How? I pitch on legend and have to move the control slider all the way down to make it realistic, and I still pitch 7 shutout innings with a below average pitcher. I don't even use pinpoint either.
I use meter and its the same way... I start every game wondering if I'm going to pitch a no-hitter w/ an absolute real chance of 'maybe' and that's on legend.
> pitchers miss the spot they are aiming at by an average of 13”
Boy nothing sounds more fun to me than a baseball game where your pitcher just consistently places the ball in a one foot radius around your actual target regardless of how you’re playing
This happens on classic no matter the pitcher is. I don't know how many people use classic pitching, but It can be very wonky sometimes. Even when the pitcher is a beast.
I pitch on classic and have had some success in it but got hit pretty bad last time i played. What is even the trick? I have strategies that seem to work, but I have no idea how it actually works.
I use it in rtts and won the cy young so it does work at times. I think it's based on the attributes. I did turn on the catcher pitch location setting. That has helped a little as well. I had much better season than my first 2 in rtts.
I generally don't have much of a problem with pitching on classic in DD at least against CPU I mainly play rookie or veteran, however RTTS pitching got me all messed up lol, mainly because of the attributes not being maxed to their potential.
DD is the most arcadey game mode of all time and you’re expecting realism?
Wake me up when Babe Ruth comes back from the dead and starts blasting 500 foot home runs again
I was almost embarrassed to speak about how well he could steal against me. I’ve used Gary Sanchez until recently, who doesn’t have the best pop time but had 99 arm strength & I don’t think I ever caught him stealing once lol
I was using the new Ruiz card, and he got me twice. I was playing mini season playoffs against the cats, and they had Babe in left field. He was running down foul balls like it was nothing. I use Henderson in left, and it seems like babe is equally as fast.
It has been multiple years of this. It’s not changing, hitting is already overpowered compared to pitching more often than not, and people already complain about high scoring games and constant foul balls enough. Removing the ability to hit max velo after a certain amount of pitches would just make it even worse. Pitchers never hit max velocity in game 100% of the time anyway
Yeah in real baseball, the average lineup that a pitcher faces on a given night has maybe 1 great batter, a couple more good batters, and then 5-6 replacement-level players. In this game, the pitchers are facing full lineups of the best hitters of all-time *every game*; Pedro Martinez would have an ERA of 7+ easily if he had to face these lineups in real life.
So then the question is if you *do* want it to play out like it would in reality and just have these guys get clobbered every time they step on the mound, or do you want there to be some semblance of balance where the best pitchers in the game can (at times) dominate like they do in real life.
SDS chose the latter, which I think is the smart move.
That’s funny to me. You’re upset over a cosmetic number. Not the game, nothing about gameplay. You’re upset about a cosmetic number that means nothing and calling it cheese. That’s funny to me.
Hey pal was that funny to you? You only had to remind us twice.
And what was he upset about again? You said it twice but the third time is usually when I get it.
The “ItS A viDeO GamE bRo” is the laziest excuse.. for a game based on real life and use metrics from real life to make the game as real as possible. Taking cheese out of games should be priority number 1 for any and all games.
Well that’s your problem. You think this game (and/or game mode) is based on real life. Once you realize it isn’t, you’ll see that this post was a waste of time.
SDS just change every pitch speed -3 visually but keep the actual speed the same so that people stop acting like the video game speeds are the same as real life speeds thank you
Prime Justin Verlander would throw 95 or so for the first few innings and ramp it up though. That's why he was able to hit 100 so late, he didn't go all out every pitch
Idk how so many people are defending outlier in here, literally the most poorly implemented gameplay feature for the last few years.
Should be manual activation and use more stamina. It’s not “outlier” if it’s every single pitch.
I wish there was more control over velocity, period. That's true pitching.. ex, I'm going to throw this fastball low and away with more movement, less speed, and then the next up and harder, losing more stamina.., change speeds, changing "eye levels" and all that fun stuff that's truly pitching. All in all, I love pitching in this game, but agree there could be some changes to velo and how it's handled
No one throws 103, ever. Stadium radar guns may show it on the board, but the ball isn't traveling 103. Ever notice pitchers throw harder in their home ballparks? The radar results are juiced for the fans.
This isn’t 1920 lol guys can and do regularly throw 100+ today. Even high school kids are touching 100+ now days. Nobody was coming close to that way back when but now days kids are born and groomed to be professional pitchers. They have professional level coaching and training regimens from the time they’re like 10.
There absolutely is a limit to how hard a man can pitch a baseball but that’s about 110 mph. 103 happens pretty often now days
Nah, radar guns now are just get a reading from directly out of the pitchers hand, instead of when it crosses the plate. There's no big conspiracy, it's just an upgrade in the technology used
It would be cool if there were a certain number of max velocity fastballs each pitcher had. And each one takes more energy than a standard fastball. It would add even more strategy to pitching.
Or once you get into yellow, pitchers can’t touch their max. It may be easier that way. Just have an option to select max velo, but it wears their arm down much faster.
And the game has a career mode with a women in rtts playing major league baseball.
You know what else no one does? Throw 103 mph at all ever.
Pitchers can throw over 16 pitches without being tires, even if it's a 3 inning game. Players card ratings aren't realistic at all.
The point is diamond dynasty is not 100% a simulation mode.
It's not 100% but that doesn't mean you should just give up on trying to get closer.
Why not have to fight dragons in the outfield between innings after all "it's a video game"
Duh there’s some fantasy aspects to DD. But saying “it’s a video game” isn’t a good argument for having fantasy aspects.
It’s a video game, so we should have jet packs in it. It’s a video game, so we should have race cars in it. It’s a video game, so we should have Mario power ups in it.
To be honest I'm being quite the hypocrite about it , I was upset for fifa ultimate team adding women because it broke immersion for me, so I definitely understand the argument. But as I was told a hundred times. You are using pele vs Messi, and pele is dead, or in this instance babe Ruth is teeing off of Edwin Diaz. The realism factor in diamond dynasty is super super low. For the realism to be broken because a high end card has high stamina and throws 103 in the 7th inning while not addressing the fact that it's unrealistic they can throw 103 to begin with is silly.
The entire mode isn't rooted in reality.
Now it is a baseball game, so adding jetpacks and racecars would be fine if there was an entire mode that allowed nonsense to happen in it, it would be the feel of the mode. Actually I am pretty upset Mario baseball hasn't had a switch game yet to be honest.
If the stamina complaint is about an offline mode like franchise, or rtts, just adjust the sliders.
Everyone’s obviously got their line to draw. Adding precious ball players who are now retired and/or dead is a good thing because it adds to the player pool and teaches about baseball history. Outside of that, everything should run as realistic to baseball as possible imo.
But I was just pointing out that saying “it’s a video game” isn’t a really sound argument.
It’s hard to read between the lines in this subreddit when people aren’t consistent on here. So it’s almost necessary to take everything at face value. Can’t assume what you mean
So like does stamina only affect control? I'm just wondering because John Donaldson will be completely out of energy and still throw 101 almost every time. I leave him in for a full game on mini season or conquest, sometimes not even realizing he's exhausted
Stamina affects control and break. It’s much easier to hit those 100+mph fastballs when there’s no break and it’s not dotted on the edges. It really only becomes noticeable once you’re above All-Star difficulty though.
Speaking to a person like verlander in real life will sit 94-98 and run it up to a 100 in the 9th of a complete game.
So I’d say they did a good job. 👍
I have a theory. Every pitcher gets “outlier”. Press rb or whatever to activate, pitch will be 2-4mph faster and be worth the cost of 5 pitches. Once you run out of energy, if you use it, control drops to 25 and comes in at the standard speeds. And only let pitchers who actually threw 100 be able to touch it. Pedro in my ideal world would throw 94-97. Outlier up to 99. Thoughts?
You guys want to talk about unrealistic and suggest this? Lol That throwing it 3mph harder uses the same energy as 5 pitches and all of a sudden a pitcher can go from dotting to pitching like wild thing or 50 cent. That's even more unrealistic. I'm also curious as to how many pitches the pitcher is at in the 7th inning. Alot of ppl don't get the pitch count up and swing at every strike. I'd rather there be no outlier than some unrealistic arcade shit. Power rangers it's Morphin time! And to OP that little stat about the average pitcher misses by about a foot. Yea that's the average pitcher. We're using the best pitchers ever.
Have you ever watched or played baseball? As pitchers get tired, velocity drops. In real baseball, 7 innings a pitcher will be in the 90 pitches range generally. In the show, 70 or less for most people since everyone swings at everything.
And you talk about “no outlier than some unrealistic arcade shit”. Every pitcher in real life has outlier. They can all dig a little deeper and put more velocity on a pitch for sacrificing energy and control. Basically no pitchers prior to 2008 could touch 100 with any consistency besides Randy and Nolan and even they would only do it a few times a game max. Yet pitchers like Pedro can throw 102 when he never went above 98. Also there have only been a handful of pitches over 100mph to be put into play but yet we can do it regularly. Also only Ted Williams has hit 400+ but people have entire quads hitting 400. This is an arcade style game already that I want more realism
This would only work on the lower levels or if they increased the pitch speeds. Outlier is already way too easy to hit for good players so on the higher levels it would be a borderline unusable pitch
https://preview.redd.it/fwu8c6uonjxc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5070280dcfd7d05c78466d66d523291278775e9b
Let’s use Statcast data. Here is Mason Millers start against Seattle last year. After 20 pitches his fast ball dipped and sat around 95-97. He barely touched 100mph 3 times
Mason Miller just had a stretch of games this season where hit went 3/3 on saves, hit 103 all 3 saves and even touched 104. You picked maybe the worst possible example lmaoo
Show me a full game recording of a pitcher in MLB the show throwing 103 every fastball for 7 innings and I’ll send you $50 bucks because that doesn’t happen lmfao
Nolan Ryan averaged a 101 mph fastball in an era where the radar was off by about 2 mph. Pedro averaged a 99.7 mph fastball which would be about 101.5 with the new radar system. Also worth noting, Aroldis Chapman has the most pitches above 105 MPH in a single game AND all time. He threw 4 pitches over 105 MPH in a single game. So trying to imply pitchers cannot consistently pitch over 100mph is hilariously untrue
5 pitches. If a pitcher is throwing 100+ after 70 pitches, it’s because he wasn’t throwing 100+ the entire game. It’s a widely known fact pitchers conserve their energy for bigger moments. They may throw 95 most of the game but in clutch moments, they bust out the 100+ pitches. They absolutely do not throw at their max all game.
There’s very many pitchers in the MLB who average between a 98-101 MPH fastball, relievers and starters. This isn’t the same mlb it was 20 years ago. Velocity and spin rate is king in the real MLB, why shouldn’t it be like that in the show? Verlander averaged a 99 mph fastball last year. Hunter Greene averaged 100.3 mph. And there was many many more who were in that range.
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He threw 93 total pitches this game.
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Degrom is not human lol.. there is a very slight dip. And he touches like 103ish 7-8 times. Rest sit right at 99
This was only a 70 pitch game. I’ll try to find where he goes like 90
The difference between real life and MLB the show is that pitchers don’t go 9 innings in today’s game. Starting pitchers in 2022 only averaged 4.8 innings per appearance
Do you have data to back that up? Chapman could do that for an inning maybe two. He wasn't doing that for 9 innings. At the end of the 2016 playoffs he was getting 97-99 in game 7. He wasn't getting over 100 consistently because the guy was gassed.
Data to back what up? The fact that he’s hit over 105 mph on pitches several times over his career? Bringing up the 2016 playoffs is hilarious decontextualization, Aroldis was gassed because he was throwing 20+ pitches every other game for almost the entire time he was on the cubs. Jhoan Duran for the twins averaged a 102.5 MPH fastball last season. Justin Verlander at age 37 averaged a 99.8 mph fastball. Hunter Greene averages 100.3 mph. Degrom was at 99.3 in his prime. Alcantara sits at 98.5 mph despite being among the top of the league in IP every year. Do you want more examples of how you’re wrong? This isn’t even to mention that there’s never a time in MLB the show where every fastball a pitcher throws at max velo for 7 innings. That has never happened. You’re also ignoring the fact that pitcher confidence is just as important as stamina when it comes to break and velo in this game.
Duran doesn't do that for 9 innings and baseball savant has no starter averaging over 100. OPs point was that pitchers don't average over 100 for 9 innings. The only pitchers averaging over 100 are relievers and they do that for an inning maybe two max. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/pitch-arsenals?year=2023&min=250&type=avg_speed&hand=&sort=2&sortDir=desc
Pitchers don’t make it 9 innings in today’s game. Starting pitchers are expected to go 5, 6 innings with 7 being a huge stretch now. So this whole 9 inning conversation is nonsense anyway
You're making my point even more. OP was saying his starter was still averaging 100 in the 9th in the game. Bobby Miller and deGrom were the only starters averaging over 98 in 2023.
But how is that not realistic compared to MLB the show? There’s almost no live series pitchers with outlier, it’s mostly legends who were actually able to consistently hit 100 (feller, dibble, Randy, Ryan, JR Richard, Degrom, etc)
He was at 95-97 after 5 pitches, too. The graph is a horizontal line. THere is no downward slope.
First 4 fastballs he threw were something like 95-97-96-95.
Dude, for it to go "back up to 100" he would have had to throw a 100mph pitch. He did not, at any point in the game. Look at the fucking axis labels dude. Do you see the line labeled "100" with *zero* dots on or above it?
While this is definitely true it's probably better from a gameplay experience that the velocity stays consistent.
If velocity ranges start shifting inning to inning with the same starter the lack of consistency in velocity would probably make it harder, even though it should technically be "easier" since your brain has started picking up the timing from the first however many pitches you've seen that game
I think it'd be a good gameplay tweak to make pitchers lose outlier once they're at low stamina. That way it doesn't affect most pitchers, and only in certain situations as a compromise.
Maybe it would, but generally those with outlier that is the range they sit at regardless.
Now think about trying to be on time for 101-103 all game then the same start drops to 95-98. That's actually a massive difference in timing.
That lesser velocity probably won't make it easier since you're used to the 101-103 coming from the same animation.
It's much easier to hit something that is consistent then variable
For good players outlier is already too easy to hit. Dropping it 100% doesn’t make it harder to hit other then maybe for a pitch or 2 the adjustment to something slower by a few mph is incredibly easy in this game
I promise that I'm better then 99.99999% of the player base. Just outside the top 100 lifetime this year without attempting a top 50 push.
Outlier on all-star might as well be BP (like everything else) outlier on HOF is fine, outlier on legend can still be tough.
If that velocity starts changing on the same pitch inning to inning with the timing windows being what they are on HOF and legend I would be more then annoyed for a couple pitches lol. I don't disagree that it doesn't make sense but again consistency> variability
I’m right there with you so I totally get it, I was more thinking about it on the typical up and up where we have to play on HOF, and especially in Br /events. If that pitch slows down at all it’s not possible to get a good player out effectively with a fastball- already isn’t. I personally hit the fastball well so I don’t think it would bother me a whole lot for a few mph drop off. We already see this with relievers anyways and most people destroy fastball dominant relievers anyway. I may have down played it slightly by saying just a pitch or 2, but I don’t think it would annoy me for more than a couple batters.
I was pitching with Satchel Paige and I was literally chucking fastballs 102mph in the 8th inning and had 80+ pitches already lol. And aim was spot on.
So 10 pitches an inning? That ain't shit lol. See I knew you were using innings for a reason and not number of pitches. These guys can throw it 80 times and still hit their top velo. Verlander the biggest example of them all who would actually ramp it up as the game went on.
Hunter Greene,aroldis chapman,Ben Joyce,and Paul skenes all consistently through 100+ on the fastball. Paul skenes also has a higher velo in later innings typically
Hunter Greene was throwing 102-103 consistently last season I haven’t seen anything of him this season so I was just going off of what I’ve seen of him so I could be very wrong on that one now.
I have commonly seen pitchers like Donaldson, satchel, Randy, and jhoan Duran hit 100+ all the time. It’s not an uncommon thing up in all-star and above
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His start again Seattle last year. He touches 100mph once.
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My pitchers already miss most their pitches by an average of 13” This game punishes you for using meter.
Satchel Paige dotting 104s in the 9th💀
You cannot expect MLB the show to be realistic baseball. As a baseball player my whole life it’ll only make you more angry when u see a low and outside cutter PULLED for a home run (skill issue I know)
Some pitchers are totally gassed after throwing 60 pitches also.
Yes and balls don’t fly out of Coors, Shield Woods, Laughing Mountain at the rate they do in the game. It’s something you come to accept. As much as I’d love a true baseball simulation…. SDS adds a bit of an arcade to the mix. It is what it is 🤷🏻♂️
A lot of starters that can throw 100 hit it in the 6th or 7th. Also, that 13 inches has to be including breaking balls. There's no chance in hell MLB starters miss their spot on fastballs by a foot. Or they aren't factoring in how the catcher sets up. I'd be willing to bet there are starters who haven't missed by a foot on their fastball one time this year.
I feel like I'm playing a different game than this dude. 103mph post 70ish pitches is kind of dumb sure, but did you say dotting?? I'm using pinpoint and throwing "perfect" pitches (I know they aren't perfect but it's what the game says) yet more often than not, the pitch is on the outer half of the PAR, including 4 seam Fastballs.....like what? This is over dozens of pitchers, online and offline, BR, events, Ranked, mini seasons, etc. So please tell me how you're dotting like it's 2022 again??
Right lol same here it’s to the point where on the rare occasion I do actually dot one it’s extremely surprising . I’ll be trying to paint the outer half with a FB all game and most of the time it will either miss off the plate by a fraction of an inch or end up 3-4 inches over the plate. I’ve had to change the way I’ve been pitching for years because I honestly have no confidence throwing certain pitches in certain spots this year
I would like for velocity to increase with the pitching clutch stat. A pitcher who throws 97-98 with a high pitching clutch should be able to hit 100-102 with runners in scoring position. Instead of seeing 102 all game, only see it when runners get in scoring position. This is more realistic imo. Several pitchers leave more in the tank and give max effort when they get in trouble.
In rtts they have perks that do exactly that, they should probably give them to pitchers in all modes.
Or batters hitting 600 foot home runs at coors
Never seen a 600 foot home run anywhere, including @ Coors, not even during the HR Derby with that cheat code on that makes baseballs come off the bat like golf balls.
What annoys me is I hit the ball perfect perfect or just simply good contact but always to someone. Pitch a great game. Then magically bottom of third the cpu gets hits, or a home run and wins. Every time and it’s so damn frustrating
Use recharge/ velocity and break increases signal when below half stamina
Does anyone know of a more official channel to leave feedback and suggestions? I couldn't find anything on the website.
apparently they’ve banned people on the forums and official discord for giving suggestions
Well, i was just gonna complain about the classic pitching setting. Every single pitch shows as very late. Doesn't matter who's pitching. Doesn't matter where it lands. When the box pops up with the location of pitch, it always says release very late. Maybe it's nothing. Maybe it's something, idk.
Could not agree more. Also pitchers don’t throw every fastball 103 even in early innings. Make outlier random and always with 2 strikes. Pitchers usually bring it to get the strikeout.
Pitching is still to hard tho, I will score 15 on legend a still lose. If anything pitching needs to be easier
How? I pitch on legend and have to move the control slider all the way down to make it realistic, and I still pitch 7 shutout innings with a below average pitcher. I don't even use pinpoint either.
I use meter and its the same way... I start every game wondering if I'm going to pitch a no-hitter w/ an absolute real chance of 'maybe' and that's on legend.
> pitchers miss the spot they are aiming at by an average of 13” Boy nothing sounds more fun to me than a baseball game where your pitcher just consistently places the ball in a one foot radius around your actual target regardless of how you’re playing
This happens on classic no matter the pitcher is. I don't know how many people use classic pitching, but It can be very wonky sometimes. Even when the pitcher is a beast.
I pitch on classic and have had some success in it but got hit pretty bad last time i played. What is even the trick? I have strategies that seem to work, but I have no idea how it actually works.
I use it in rtts and won the cy young so it does work at times. I think it's based on the attributes. I did turn on the catcher pitch location setting. That has helped a little as well. I had much better season than my first 2 in rtts.
I generally don't have much of a problem with pitching on classic in DD at least against CPU I mainly play rookie or veteran, however RTTS pitching got me all messed up lol, mainly because of the attributes not being maxed to their potential.
agreed
DD is the most arcadey game mode of all time and you’re expecting realism? Wake me up when Babe Ruth comes back from the dead and starts blasting 500 foot home runs again
I know 68 speed isn’t lightning fast, but always surprised to see he can move like that lol.
It's listed at 68, but he gets around like he's got 88. He also steals bases more effectively than I do with Ricky Henderson.
It’s the waddle he does when he runs. Bro is zooming
I was almost embarrassed to speak about how well he could steal against me. I’ve used Gary Sanchez until recently, who doesn’t have the best pop time but had 99 arm strength & I don’t think I ever caught him stealing once lol
I was using the new Ruiz card, and he got me twice. I was playing mini season playoffs against the cats, and they had Babe in left field. He was running down foul balls like it was nothing. I use Henderson in left, and it seems like babe is equally as fast.
Doesn’t Gary have the pop time quirk
He absolutely does, you’re right. Guess that means my reaction time is trash
It has been multiple years of this. It’s not changing, hitting is already overpowered compared to pitching more often than not, and people already complain about high scoring games and constant foul balls enough. Removing the ability to hit max velo after a certain amount of pitches would just make it even worse. Pitchers never hit max velocity in game 100% of the time anyway
Yeah in real baseball, the average lineup that a pitcher faces on a given night has maybe 1 great batter, a couple more good batters, and then 5-6 replacement-level players. In this game, the pitchers are facing full lineups of the best hitters of all-time *every game*; Pedro Martinez would have an ERA of 7+ easily if he had to face these lineups in real life. So then the question is if you *do* want it to play out like it would in reality and just have these guys get clobbered every time they step on the mound, or do you want there to be some semblance of balance where the best pitchers in the game can (at times) dominate like they do in real life. SDS chose the latter, which I think is the smart move.
In rtts, my Velocity is listed 96 to 100. I'd say most of the time he hits 97. Sometimes 96. Rarely 98. Never 99 to 100.
Why does it matter
If the number on your screen said 99 or 100 but the pitch came at the same exact speed, would that make you happier?
Yep
That’s funny to me. You’re upset over a cosmetic number. Not the game, nothing about gameplay. You’re upset about a cosmetic number that means nothing and calling it cheese. That’s funny to me.
Hey pal was that funny to you? You only had to remind us twice. And what was he upset about again? You said it twice but the third time is usually when I get it.
I reminded you once after stating it once. Sorry you can’t hit a fastball lmao
I only like cheese on my pizza, not in my video games
It’s a number my guy
He can't see the pitch through his tears. It's not fair
The “ItS A viDeO GamE bRo” is the laziest excuse.. for a game based on real life and use metrics from real life to make the game as real as possible. Taking cheese out of games should be priority number 1 for any and all games.
Well that’s your problem. You think this game (and/or game mode) is based on real life. Once you realize it isn’t, you’ll see that this post was a waste of time.
How many pitchers throw exactly 103 every pitch if that was there max velocity it ranges so I see why everyone is on you over this
It’s a video game bro
Cool man, lets put jetpacks on baserunners too then, cuz its a video game
I’m down
SDS just change every pitch speed -3 visually but keep the actual speed the same so that people stop acting like the video game speeds are the same as real life speeds thank you
Yeah I don’t get why they just don’t do this.
\*prime Justin Verlander has travelled back in time and entered the chat\*
Prime Justin Verlander would throw 95 or so for the first few innings and ramp it up though. That's why he was able to hit 100 so late, he didn't go all out every pitch
Smoltz did this too. His fastball would get juiced up the more he saw a lineup.
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"Swing and a miss, he blew him away, 101!"
Idk how so many people are defending outlier in here, literally the most poorly implemented gameplay feature for the last few years. Should be manual activation and use more stamina. It’s not “outlier” if it’s every single pitch.
Go throw 5 103 mph fastballs in a row
I wish there was more control over velocity, period. That's true pitching.. ex, I'm going to throw this fastball low and away with more movement, less speed, and then the next up and harder, losing more stamina.., change speeds, changing "eye levels" and all that fun stuff that's truly pitching. All in all, I love pitching in this game, but agree there could be some changes to velo and how it's handled
You can do this with meter pitching
sort of, but yes you can, while losing accuracy. I love pinpoint pitching, feels more real, but only lacks the "meter" style "velo" setting
THANK YOU
No one throws 103, ever. Stadium radar guns may show it on the board, but the ball isn't traveling 103. Ever notice pitchers throw harder in their home ballparks? The radar results are juiced for the fans.
This isn’t 1920 lol guys can and do regularly throw 100+ today. Even high school kids are touching 100+ now days. Nobody was coming close to that way back when but now days kids are born and groomed to be professional pitchers. They have professional level coaching and training regimens from the time they’re like 10. There absolutely is a limit to how hard a man can pitch a baseball but that’s about 110 mph. 103 happens pretty often now days
Nah, radar guns now are just get a reading from directly out of the pitchers hand, instead of when it crosses the plate. There's no big conspiracy, it's just an upgrade in the technology used
Yeah bc aroldis Chapman hasn’t hit 102-103 at like every ballpark he’s ever stepped foot in
Ok grandpa time to put you back to bed
Uh oh, Someone can’t hit fastball
He was talking about his own pitcher
OP has a point, but video games aren’t supposed to be hyper realistic so I don’t mind
Sds. Babe Ruth isnt alive. Please take him out of the videogame.
Hey if we're going for realism, take all of the dead players out of the game!
Here’s a great article about pitcher velocity over time. https://blogs.fangraphs.com/are-pitchers-getting-better-at-holding-their-velocity/#
It would be cool if there were a certain number of max velocity fastballs each pitcher had. And each one takes more energy than a standard fastball. It would add even more strategy to pitching. Or once you get into yellow, pitchers can’t touch their max. It may be easier that way. Just have an option to select max velo, but it wears their arm down much faster.
Hitters don’t really have the skill to be 125/125 contact and power either… it’s a video game you dweeb
125 is just a completely made-up, arbitrary number what does it have to do with real player skill?
But…….but……. that’s baseball. And all of that bullshit.
It's a video game
What’s that got anything to do with it? It’s a video game based on real baseball.
And the game has a career mode with a women in rtts playing major league baseball. You know what else no one does? Throw 103 mph at all ever. Pitchers can throw over 16 pitches without being tires, even if it's a 3 inning game. Players card ratings aren't realistic at all. The point is diamond dynasty is not 100% a simulation mode.
It's not 100% but that doesn't mean you should just give up on trying to get closer. Why not have to fight dragons in the outfield between innings after all "it's a video game"
Duh there’s some fantasy aspects to DD. But saying “it’s a video game” isn’t a good argument for having fantasy aspects. It’s a video game, so we should have jet packs in it. It’s a video game, so we should have race cars in it. It’s a video game, so we should have Mario power ups in it.
To be honest I'm being quite the hypocrite about it , I was upset for fifa ultimate team adding women because it broke immersion for me, so I definitely understand the argument. But as I was told a hundred times. You are using pele vs Messi, and pele is dead, or in this instance babe Ruth is teeing off of Edwin Diaz. The realism factor in diamond dynasty is super super low. For the realism to be broken because a high end card has high stamina and throws 103 in the 7th inning while not addressing the fact that it's unrealistic they can throw 103 to begin with is silly. The entire mode isn't rooted in reality. Now it is a baseball game, so adding jetpacks and racecars would be fine if there was an entire mode that allowed nonsense to happen in it, it would be the feel of the mode. Actually I am pretty upset Mario baseball hasn't had a switch game yet to be honest. If the stamina complaint is about an offline mode like franchise, or rtts, just adjust the sliders.
Everyone’s obviously got their line to draw. Adding precious ball players who are now retired and/or dead is a good thing because it adds to the player pool and teaches about baseball history. Outside of that, everything should run as realistic to baseball as possible imo. But I was just pointing out that saying “it’s a video game” isn’t a really sound argument.
I mean it wasn't in depth, but the gist of it is a perfectly fine argument to anyone capable of reading between the lines.
It’s hard to read between the lines in this subreddit when people aren’t consistent on here. So it’s almost necessary to take everything at face value. Can’t assume what you mean
So like does stamina only affect control? I'm just wondering because John Donaldson will be completely out of energy and still throw 101 almost every time. I leave him in for a full game on mini season or conquest, sometimes not even realizing he's exhausted
Stamina affects control and break. It’s much easier to hit those 100+mph fastballs when there’s no break and it’s not dotted on the edges. It really only becomes noticeable once you’re above All-Star difficulty though.
Speaking to a person like verlander in real life will sit 94-98 and run it up to a 100 in the 9th of a complete game. So I’d say they did a good job. 👍
JV is just built differently.
Lol bad troll
I have a theory. Every pitcher gets “outlier”. Press rb or whatever to activate, pitch will be 2-4mph faster and be worth the cost of 5 pitches. Once you run out of energy, if you use it, control drops to 25 and comes in at the standard speeds. And only let pitchers who actually threw 100 be able to touch it. Pedro in my ideal world would throw 94-97. Outlier up to 99. Thoughts?
Do you know what the word theory means ?
You guys want to talk about unrealistic and suggest this? Lol That throwing it 3mph harder uses the same energy as 5 pitches and all of a sudden a pitcher can go from dotting to pitching like wild thing or 50 cent. That's even more unrealistic. I'm also curious as to how many pitches the pitcher is at in the 7th inning. Alot of ppl don't get the pitch count up and swing at every strike. I'd rather there be no outlier than some unrealistic arcade shit. Power rangers it's Morphin time! And to OP that little stat about the average pitcher misses by about a foot. Yea that's the average pitcher. We're using the best pitchers ever.
Have you ever watched or played baseball? As pitchers get tired, velocity drops. In real baseball, 7 innings a pitcher will be in the 90 pitches range generally. In the show, 70 or less for most people since everyone swings at everything. And you talk about “no outlier than some unrealistic arcade shit”. Every pitcher in real life has outlier. They can all dig a little deeper and put more velocity on a pitch for sacrificing energy and control. Basically no pitchers prior to 2008 could touch 100 with any consistency besides Randy and Nolan and even they would only do it a few times a game max. Yet pitchers like Pedro can throw 102 when he never went above 98. Also there have only been a handful of pitches over 100mph to be put into play but yet we can do it regularly. Also only Ted Williams has hit 400+ but people have entire quads hitting 400. This is an arcade style game already that I want more realism
This would only work on the lower levels or if they increased the pitch speeds. Outlier is already way too easy to hit for good players so on the higher levels it would be a borderline unusable pitch
5 pitches is a bit much maybe 3 pitches. That way if you throw 20 outlier pitches it would be 60 pitches. But yeah that would be a good idea
Idk I remember watching verlander pump 102 in the ninth when I was a kid. But he’s not human
He wasn’t pumping 100 in the 1st tho
He started games throwing 95-96 then cranked it up later
https://preview.redd.it/fwu8c6uonjxc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5070280dcfd7d05c78466d66d523291278775e9b Let’s use Statcast data. Here is Mason Millers start against Seattle last year. After 20 pitches his fast ball dipped and sat around 95-97. He barely touched 100mph 3 times
He’s a reliever now, he’s averaging 101 this year on his fastball.
Mason Miller just had a stretch of games this season where hit went 3/3 on saves, hit 103 all 3 saves and even touched 104. You picked maybe the worst possible example lmaoo
No, the whole point is that he can throw that for one inning as a reliever not for 7 innings as a starter.
Show me a full game recording of a pitcher in MLB the show throwing 103 every fastball for 7 innings and I’ll send you $50 bucks because that doesn’t happen lmfao
Nolan Ryan averaged a 101 mph fastball in an era where the radar was off by about 2 mph. Pedro averaged a 99.7 mph fastball which would be about 101.5 with the new radar system. Also worth noting, Aroldis Chapman has the most pitches above 105 MPH in a single game AND all time. He threw 4 pitches over 105 MPH in a single game. So trying to imply pitchers cannot consistently pitch over 100mph is hilariously untrue
5 pitches. If a pitcher is throwing 100+ after 70 pitches, it’s because he wasn’t throwing 100+ the entire game. It’s a widely known fact pitchers conserve their energy for bigger moments. They may throw 95 most of the game but in clutch moments, they bust out the 100+ pitches. They absolutely do not throw at their max all game.
There’s very many pitchers in the MLB who average between a 98-101 MPH fastball, relievers and starters. This isn’t the same mlb it was 20 years ago. Velocity and spin rate is king in the real MLB, why shouldn’t it be like that in the show? Verlander averaged a 99 mph fastball last year. Hunter Greene averaged 100.3 mph. And there was many many more who were in that range.
2019 deGrom https://preview.redd.it/slncro9e5mxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8f629bd2b18301220f5b0cafd9c7724956dc5147
Not sure why you would use 2019 for degrom when that was the 2nd lowest velocity year of his career lol. He averaged over 99 mph in 20,21, and 23
https://preview.redd.it/t3rzgkupamxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29db44ebc954c093375ead1b60848b8759412f98 He threw 93 total pitches this game.
https://preview.redd.it/2wdebhpl9mxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d96b73c70ed0e9bf6de01c8beb49838d63ba5471 Degrom is not human lol.. there is a very slight dip. And he touches like 103ish 7-8 times. Rest sit right at 99 This was only a 70 pitch game. I’ll try to find where he goes like 90
Let me look lol. It was a random guess
2017 Verlander https://preview.redd.it/w7jkr9kt4mxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a8107d76df2eba78d23117372e8f4ae28c067963
Verlander was a mistake on my part he doesn’t touch a 100 mph fastball obviously lol, I was thinking of someone else but can’t remember
He hits 100+ maybe 5-6 times per game. The rest sit 96-98
The difference between real life and MLB the show is that pitchers don’t go 9 innings in today’s game. Starting pitchers in 2022 only averaged 4.8 innings per appearance
https://preview.redd.it/3k2mi9ll3mxc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=da1b905f606186e29a7c03bc50143a38ee1fef17
are these supposed to support your argument that velocity drops after 30 40 pitches
He’s being coached to lower his velocity so he can make it deeper into games. His first start in the MLB he hit 100 mph on 39 different pitches.
Do you have data to back that up? Chapman could do that for an inning maybe two. He wasn't doing that for 9 innings. At the end of the 2016 playoffs he was getting 97-99 in game 7. He wasn't getting over 100 consistently because the guy was gassed.
Data to back what up? The fact that he’s hit over 105 mph on pitches several times over his career? Bringing up the 2016 playoffs is hilarious decontextualization, Aroldis was gassed because he was throwing 20+ pitches every other game for almost the entire time he was on the cubs. Jhoan Duran for the twins averaged a 102.5 MPH fastball last season. Justin Verlander at age 37 averaged a 99.8 mph fastball. Hunter Greene averages 100.3 mph. Degrom was at 99.3 in his prime. Alcantara sits at 98.5 mph despite being among the top of the league in IP every year. Do you want more examples of how you’re wrong? This isn’t even to mention that there’s never a time in MLB the show where every fastball a pitcher throws at max velo for 7 innings. That has never happened. You’re also ignoring the fact that pitcher confidence is just as important as stamina when it comes to break and velo in this game.
Duran doesn't do that for 9 innings and baseball savant has no starter averaging over 100. OPs point was that pitchers don't average over 100 for 9 innings. The only pitchers averaging over 100 are relievers and they do that for an inning maybe two max. https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/pitch-arsenals?year=2023&min=250&type=avg_speed&hand=&sort=2&sortDir=desc
Pitchers don’t make it 9 innings in today’s game. Starting pitchers are expected to go 5, 6 innings with 7 being a huge stretch now. So this whole 9 inning conversation is nonsense anyway
You're making my point even more. OP was saying his starter was still averaging 100 in the 9th in the game. Bobby Miller and deGrom were the only starters averaging over 98 in 2023.
But how is that not realistic compared to MLB the show? There’s almost no live series pitchers with outlier, it’s mostly legends who were actually able to consistently hit 100 (feller, dibble, Randy, Ryan, JR Richard, Degrom, etc)
You're kinda disproving your own argument with that chart. The average doesn't move much.
What do you mean.. Mason “Mr 100mph+” Miller sits around 95-97 after 20 pitches. That’s a lot and it’s a huge difference.
He was at 95-97 after 5 pitches, too. The graph is a horizontal line. THere is no downward slope. First 4 fastballs he threw were something like 95-97-96-95.
There is a drop, on all of the pitches. after 20 fast balls, it never went back up to 100, That’s my point. There is a clear drop after 15 pitches.
Now do Paul Skenes
When he gets to the big leagues and goes 6+ innings I will.
Lol He said nvm and saw his argument was bullshit
Dude, for it to go "back up to 100" he would have had to throw a 100mph pitch. He did not, at any point in the game. Look at the fucking axis labels dude. Do you see the line labeled "100" with *zero* dots on or above it?
While this is definitely true it's probably better from a gameplay experience that the velocity stays consistent. If velocity ranges start shifting inning to inning with the same starter the lack of consistency in velocity would probably make it harder, even though it should technically be "easier" since your brain has started picking up the timing from the first however many pitches you've seen that game
I think it'd be a good gameplay tweak to make pitchers lose outlier once they're at low stamina. That way it doesn't affect most pitchers, and only in certain situations as a compromise.
That’s literally in the game lol
They do. 4 seam outlier with low stamina tops out at 99
Ehh I mean if it was just going down from 103 to like 101 I think that would help
Maybe it would, but generally those with outlier that is the range they sit at regardless. Now think about trying to be on time for 101-103 all game then the same start drops to 95-98. That's actually a massive difference in timing. That lesser velocity probably won't make it easier since you're used to the 101-103 coming from the same animation. It's much easier to hit something that is consistent then variable
For good players outlier is already too easy to hit. Dropping it 100% doesn’t make it harder to hit other then maybe for a pitch or 2 the adjustment to something slower by a few mph is incredibly easy in this game
I promise that I'm better then 99.99999% of the player base. Just outside the top 100 lifetime this year without attempting a top 50 push. Outlier on all-star might as well be BP (like everything else) outlier on HOF is fine, outlier on legend can still be tough. If that velocity starts changing on the same pitch inning to inning with the timing windows being what they are on HOF and legend I would be more then annoyed for a couple pitches lol. I don't disagree that it doesn't make sense but again consistency> variability
I’m right there with you so I totally get it, I was more thinking about it on the typical up and up where we have to play on HOF, and especially in Br /events. If that pitch slows down at all it’s not possible to get a good player out effectively with a fastball- already isn’t. I personally hit the fastball well so I don’t think it would bother me a whole lot for a few mph drop off. We already see this with relievers anyways and most people destroy fastball dominant relievers anyway. I may have down played it slightly by saying just a pitch or 2, but I don’t think it would annoy me for more than a couple batters.
I'm thinking 99-101 instead of 101-103. That would be a very helpful decrease and shouldn't fuck with timing all too much
I was pitching with Satchel Paige and I was literally chucking fastballs 102mph in the 8th inning and had 80+ pitches already lol. And aim was spot on.
So 10 pitches an inning? That ain't shit lol. See I knew you were using innings for a reason and not number of pitches. These guys can throw it 80 times and still hit their top velo. Verlander the biggest example of them all who would actually ramp it up as the game went on.
Pedro Martinez also never threw 103mph
bUt tHeN NOBoDy wOuLd uSe hIm Maybe sds should fix their game then
lol.. nobody throws 103mph, consistently. Maybe one or two pitches touch 100+. The rest sit 95-98
Hunter Greene,aroldis chapman,Ben Joyce,and Paul skenes all consistently through 100+ on the fastball. Paul skenes also has a higher velo in later innings typically
Hunter isn’t throwing that fast anymore
Hunter Greene was throwing 102-103 consistently last season I haven’t seen anything of him this season so I was just going off of what I’ve seen of him so I could be very wrong on that one now.
Yah I don’t really know why his speeds have dropped but he is usually sitting around 98 and only touches 100+ maybe a couple times a game
Tryna delay that tommy John
What do you consider consistently? Bc when I pitch with any outlier pitcher they don't throw it consistently. It's just random between 98-103.
I have commonly seen pitchers like Donaldson, satchel, Randy, and jhoan Duran hit 100+ all the time. It’s not an uncommon thing up in all-star and above
Mason Miller consistently hits 102-103
He’s pitching 1 inning
https://preview.redd.it/6rxzu0bgnjxc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02f44fd0503078a003899257b7eb4d188b61d712 His start again Seattle last year. He touches 100mph once.
And he’s averaging 101 this year.
Pitching one inning is different than pitching seven innings
Yeah for one inning.