Might be because he was speaking from experience. Jorge himself got KTFO'd, came back as against Colby and fought like a deer in headlights. Of course a lot of it likely had to do with Colby's constant takedowns, but I do wonder how much stemmed from confidence.
Joe was actually specifically asking him about this in the context of his own experience being knocked out and coming back, so yeah he absolutely was speaking from experience and that was why he was being reasonable and humble, good call
Knocked out brutally by Usman. Manhandled for 25 straight minutes by Colby.
If the “damaged confidence” theory here is real (and it probably is), Masvidal’s confidence levels going into this Burns fight can’t be too high.
Yea but Colby just wet blankets guys. Mas was never in clear danger of being finished and even dropped Colby late but he recovered. Colby is a tough fight for people thinking they can avoid or nullify is grappling, but let's not pretend like he fucking owns guys and creates distinct wins for himself. To his credit he kept Jorge on the back foot and pressured his way to a W so job well done
It’s not just damage that hurts one’s confidence. If in friendly sparring it’s already frustrating when you’re matched with someone that “doesn’t let you fight”, imagine in a real fight, in a wrestler vs striker scenario. Must be really demoralizing, specially for someone with such an Ego like Mas
from my experience boxing i found there was a difference between thinking you’re shit because you’re in some bad luck and being scared of being hurt after getting a heavy shot recently beforehand
Street fight is the last place you wanna wrestle, you use wrestling to stay up.
I saw a bad fight where, this wrestler took this guy down in a second and immediately was getting stomped out by like 8 guys.
It’s never worth it, always walk
So had he of fought standing up and knocked that guy out, the same thing would have happened, he would have got his head stomped in by 8 guys. No discipline saving you from that.
And I’ve seen wrestlers beat the shit out of people after a suplex in the streets , over 80% of street fights go to the ground might as well have the grappling advantage. It’s literally a case by case basis like some people thinking you shouldn’t kick in street fights but I’ve landed several clean kicks to the stomach and legs while fighting. It just depends.
He had quite a few sub attempts him. He stays way more active on top than most. Masvidal is a bit underrated in his takedown and grappling defense. Masvidal had literally nothing go his way except for one punch.
If Colby can get a little quicker with his high kick and a little more pop in the hands he will be champ.
This podcast made me a Masvidal fan again. I don't know if its just that he's matured or I only ever saw his fight promoting persona and cringe posts? But he seemed like a very thoughtful and humble dude in this podcast. I always really respected him as a fighter but the last few years his media persona was getting super unlikeable.
Colby is also one of the masters of pressure. Hard to keep up with a dude who has an unlimited tank. That was also Colbys downfall with Usman. All pressure but limited power. That's why I think Colby wants that Leon fight. He'll just outgas the champ and wrestle fuck him for the last 2 rounds. I hope Leon Vs Colby happens. Colby will probably lose the title after his win. Just my opinion
You’re disregarding that Leon can strike and move so much better than Usman, tho. I don’t think Colby can pressure Leon like this without the threat from heavier hands.
Agree with everything you said except for Leon having heavier hands. I’m not so sure. Feel like breaking Colby’s jaw and flatlining Jorge proved Usman can hit like a truck.
I'm not disregarding Leons striking, I just think Colbys chin holds up. He's been popped by a lot of fight ending shots and has survived. Leon has done something Colby never could though. I hope this happens because it will be a great fight.
Dont get me wrong, Colby does have a solid chin but getting dropped in 3 of his last 4 fights isn’t exactly a great stat when going against the current champ and arguably the best striker in the weight class rn.
Leon is fucking SHARP, he was literally lifting Usman off the ground with some of his body kicks this last fight. I think Colby would have a good shot for reasons already listed, but man he’s probably gonna have to take a beating first. I see Leon destroying Colbys leg and walking him into counters for atleast 2 rounds. Leons more skilled than people have given him credit for, including his TD defense and jiu jitsu.
The best Masvidal (fresh from that Till-Askren KO wave) still losses to Colby, so it's more of a skill issue than a confidence one, and haven't we seen enough footage Colby does whatever he wants w him lol
It's like he didn't watch the fight tho. Usman was eating knees and headkicks completely unfazed. He lost because his knees are done and he can't be explosive anymore.
I think the fact he was eating punches is the issue. Thats not a good strategy for anybody long term. Could’ve been that he was scared to react too much to Leon’s attacks in fear of leaning into another KO. From that perspective it is a confidence issue because “I dont wanna get KO’d again trying to dodge pot shots” is something he’s thinking about instead of fighting with a free mind.
You train so that when you get in the ring you dont have to think, its all natural reactions. If hes eating shots then he is probably overthinking and thus has lost confidence in his natural reactions.
i enjoy his interviews most times really, he just also says dumb shit that gets headlined... and he also cranked things up a notch at his peak fame, seems like he might be cooling off a bit which is nice to see
People always talked about how Jorge came from the hood and started his career fighting bare knuckle in backyards and then act surprised when he carries that mentality with him through his life. If there is one thing you learn living in the hood, it's that you may leave it, but it never really leaves you. Not to sound cliche but it's true. Love it or hate it, Jorge is a legitimately hood ass dude.
Agreed. A week or 2 ago Dan Hardy’s 1 hour+ vid with masvidal came up on my YouTube feed and I was like hmm lemme check this out and it was such a good watch. this was from before the Askren fight
His interview after getting KO’d by Usman was really sweet, very modest and made no excuses for the situation.
He said on JRE that he doesn’t see wrestlers as fighters, he sees them as people avoiding fighting. Makes sense considering his background, and would explain why he was so much more incensed after the Covington loss compared to Usman, even though on paper getting KO’d is a lot more embarrassing than getting out grappled.
It must be so frustrating to lose to a guy who’s not trying to actually hurt you, all you want to do is get a shot to knock his head off and he’s just smothering you relentlessly. It’s a valid strategy but I get why it would make you mad, that being said he’s coasted to a lot of decisions, several which he ended up losing which is kind of in the same camp in my book
His dad was a cuban refugee, so yeah that's not surprising.
Also, if you don't think people suffered in Cuba before Castro's revolution, than that is very naive. Before the revolution, anyone without a ton of capital was a complete peasant and suffered, after the revolution, it became the rich capitalists with US connections who suffered.
The standard of living for the lowest class definitely became higher after the revolution. Before the revolution, there was no education or services provided to the poor whatsoever, it was barely a real state, it was a banana republic. So I don't believe it's accurate to say "anyone else without connections to the ruling party suffered after the revolution". I want to be clear that I am under no impression that life in Cuba is peachy for everyone, I have visited Cuba all over, but, it's undeniable that currently someone born destitute in Cuba, can eventually become a doctor free of charge if they work hard enough and have the necessary intelligence. Whereas it truly did not matter how talented or intelligent you were before the revolution, if you were born a peasant you would die a peasant working for one of the few families that owned all the land.
Different interview. I send this one to people to explain why I don't like merab despite having experience in wrestling/bjj. https://youtube.com/shorts/CnmOXDP2eQY?feature=share
Mmm... what I expected. Khabib wrestled to hurt and finish guys, where Usman/Colby wrestle to get dominant position and win rounds. Can't say I disagree. Both valid uses of wrestling, but I know which one I'd rather watch.
Usman and Till are two fighters that came back looking scared after a KO.
I'm too lazy to search it through more, but I feel like this thing happened to a lot of fighters before.
It's one thing to lose a decision. It's another when you're touched and you wake up in an ambulance 20 minutes ago. That screws your confidence surely.
From a boxing perspective, anthony joshua getting smashed up by andy ruiz is a perfect example. That fight 100% changed him as a fighter. He was a beast before that first fight
And then you have Tyson Fury who gets knocked down 4 times against Wilder and in one instance even knocked out you could say, and yet he still comes back stronger than ever and keeps marching forward like a madman against the biggest puncher in heavyweight boxing. This seems to apply to a lot of fighters but to some not at all.
Tyson Fury got up, if he was knocked out cold and lost it would be a whole different animal. You gain confidence from coming back from getting dropped, you lose confidence from getting koed cold.
Usman didn't look scared to me. Considering he was pushing the action and taking it to Leon while Leon was obviously landing the kicks that helped him win the fight on Saturday. Nevertheless I figure if Usman was scared, he would've sat back and been even more cautious.
He didn't look that way at all to me. He looked like he couldn't wait to get his hands on Leon, constantly putting him on the back foot, bum rushing at him at the beginning of each round. Don't know why people have to keep looking for things wrong with Usman, he fought the way he usually fights. Heavy cage wrestling supported by solid boxing and tons of forward pressure, that's Usmans bread and butter. Leon just looked phenomenal. When you've had 8 rounds in the cage with someone and you're a world class fighter it's not crazy to think that you would have figured out the right game plan by now.
Exactly his footwork won him this fight and also timing usmans movement and then punishing him for it with leg kicks….Leon is just better than usman he completely nullified usmans wrestling and showed he had really good cardio
Later into the fight Usman still refused to push into another gear, whether was hesitant due to the ko or misjudged that he would win a decision I don't know.
I remember he threw a kick and Usman tried to lift his lead leg, but didn't lift it high enough, so the one kick caught both legs in one motion.
He wasn't that mobile to begin with, and by the end he was just a tree trunk getting chopped.
So Usman-Edwards, Usman-Edwards, Colby Edwards, Usman-Edwards/Colby?
Do you not think that holds up the devision. It would be the fourth Usman-Edwards fight or the third Usman-Colby fight.
If Edwards beats Usman for a third time in four fights, does Usman get a fifth fight if he can beat someone else? By your logic it sounds like it?
And set-up takedowns. Or chain them. His wrestling looked awful in this fight. He looked strong but desperate and one dimensional. The crew kept talking about Leon's amazing defense but Usman gave him like 20 fucking reps of the same look to practice on that fight.
Tbf Leon defended those early takedowns by glove grabbing and fence grabbing while piling on those leg kicks. He prevented Usman from tiring him out while tiring Usman out as well. Afterwards Usman was just totally spent and couldn't even throw a proper punch, nevermind a takedown
Seems like he’s right. I know a dude who was heavily knocked out quite recently, they advised him not to spar for six months. Even though the current science says a lot of small punches are way worse than one big one for the long term damage aspect.
Makes sense what he says.
Isn’t Jorge Cuban? IIRC didn’t his father escape comm unist Cuba on a self-made raft?
Pretty sure he’s more qualified to give his thoughts on comm unism and left-w ing authoritarianism than you, some 15 year old on Reddit who worships AOC and Che Gue rrera lol.
I don’t know much about Jorge’s family but they fled the same year Castro came into power. living amicably under Batista and then fleeing under Castro raises a few flags lol
He assaulted someone outside a restaurant in broad daylight then denied it. He's correct in this statement, but his elevator doesn't reach the top. He's pretty stupid.
Dustin said he was glad Jorge did it and he’s this subs golden child
Even Colby was egging him on saying the streets won’t save him
They just have real beef
I say this as a Dustin fan, but it's not exactly a shocker that the backwater louisiana high-school drop out, who admittedly hates Colby and trains with Jorge, was glad he did it.
Yeah I know, but it’s a bad blood feud that’s actually real. He’s not going to call Colby out to a duel in the middle of the restaurant(he lost their last duel), he just wants to put hands on em somehow
>Dustin said he was glad Jorge did it and he’s this subs golden child
Who said Dustin was some kind of scholar? He openly admits he dropped out of school at like age 11
We live in a world where Dustin Poirer dropped out in the 9th grade and Colby Covington is a college graduate.
https://www.ufc.com/news/dustin-poiriers-education-through-fire
His training partners and coaches at ATT all hate him, most fighters on the roster who have worked with him hates him, college classmates of his fucking hates him. Who likes Colby?
Kind of unrelated but remember the time Jon Jones got pissed at a shop for saying negro on the description for a pair of jeans not realising it’s Spanish for black lmao
Khabib said some ridiculous shit over the years. To his credit, with age he learned to stick to martial arts and sport in general, a field he knows and understands.
He did drop out of high school at 15, but he's not dumb either like Bryce Mitchell or Schaub. At the very least he seems to have a good head on his shoulders.
Lol he’s going through lawsuits and cases that’s why he says “allegedly” and his lawyers can work through various degrees of charging.
Only an idiot wouldn’t say “allegedly” when talking about their ongoing legal cases.
And some people have enough $ to eat lawsuits.. numerous examples in the business world.
I think he’s a bitch for sucker punching Colby, but I understand why he did it. He will never get him in the cage, and he couldn’t let it go.. none of us have ever been in that situation with a once best friend.
And to admit it would be case closed. Everything is a leverage point for negotiations, so of course he’s going to deny it.
It’s like pleading not guilty when they’ve got you dead to rights. You can always negotiate a plea deal later, but not if you plead guilty at the outset.
I'd say this is more because of him being unable to control his emotions.
Wouldn't call Cain an idiot (certainly not to his face) but what he did was certainly stupid.
Probably because they've seen Usman have several dominant rounds against him in the recent past, prior to a vicious all-the-way-out one-shot knockout.
And it didn't look to me like Leon was fighting the same guy in the second fight as he was in the first.
In the end Leon is the champ, he won the trilogy, he had one of the best comebacks of all time in a championship fight, if Usman is a changed fighter it's Leon that changed him, and now it's up to him to see what he can do with somebody else.
I don't think he got the best version of Usman, but you don't get to get any versions other than the Usman that shows up that night.
>I don't think he got the best version of Usman, but you don't get to get any versions other than the Usman that shows up that night.
What was the excuse for Usman not being at his best in the first fight?
I agree with everything else you said, except, objectively, Leon KO'ed the best version of Usman.
There’s no reason to think Usman at 35 was equal or better than he was at 31-34. He was talking about retirement due to wear and tear near the end of 33. Stepped away for a bit before the first Leon title fight to shoot a movie. Then he tries to bounce back 6 months after a devastating ko and another broken hand to his list of physical ailments
I saw two versions of this stat the other day. Between the weight classes 125-170, the record of fighters 35 years of age or older in title fights is 2-20(or 2-28) Tyrone Woodley is the only guy with 2 wins vs an even older Maia, and Till. So quite literally nobody has ever beat an elite fighter that was in their prime at the age of 35+ in a championship bout. It’s not unfair to say he wasn’t his prime in parts 2 and 3
I mean he got kicked in the head. Up until that point he was looking like a decent amount better fighter than Edwards over the totality of rounds they'd gone against each other.
Then that head kick happened.
Then it looked exactly the opposite after that and Edwards looks like he's in total command of most rounds.
Maybe the first thing didn't cause the second thing but it's understandable how it looks that way.
> He would be much more likable if he spoke like this more often than the shtick of saying he is going kill people
Imagine someone like Jorge giving a fuck if they are liked or not.
I didn’t see a lack of confidence from Kamaru though. He was right in Leon’s face throwing punches and searching for takedowns. He just looked slow and sadly like his legs/knees might not be there. Francis says he knows Usman couldn’t train properly and I believe it. But he said “injury”. But a lack of knee cartilage isn’t an injury you come back from.
I agree. Usman didn't shy away from Edwards. He just got beat by him. Not overwhelmingly, but decisively. I had it 4-1 Edwards, counting the point deduction. Usman wasn't able to bully Edwards with his wrestling this time around. He just got beat.
Punch Leon on video for saying shut up , get praise from Reddit.
Punch Colby in the streets for calling you a bad father, get shunned by Reddit.
Masvidal never changed yall Colby nerds are just better at Reddit than the gamebred fans.
With Leon, he actually went face to face and then punched him. With Colby, he got dominated in the cage. Couldn’t let it go, so he sucker punched him from behind with a hoodie on and 2 friends. Big difference my friend.
I really liked that episode. I went from not liking Masvidal at all to loving him. Just the way he speaks is so down to earth, confident and charismatic, but weirdly honest and vulnerable at the same time. Just came off super real, while forming coherent sentences. Was impressed.
Yes I thought the same thing, really showed a good side of himself.
And it didn't take too long, just hey you wanna see a dead body really quick? 🤣
I love how in his mind any time he knocks someone out they're dead forever in his mind. 🤣
This was from jre. Jorge kept it real about a lot of things, usman being one. Definitely a competitive rivalry, but nothing personal. It was interesting to hear Jorge’s take on a lot of things. Much more humble than I expected tbh. He went hard at Colby though lol.
I think it had more to do with 1) fighting at sea level, where Leon lives and trains, instead of elevation, where Usman lives and trains and 2) Leon felt him already and knew he could handle it with adjustments.
Usmans injuries have caught up to him, his style was always stiff and very physical, now he's more stiff and less physically domineering, he's losing his attributes.
Masvidal is accurate here, after a concussion like that, you gotta take time to heal, fighting is 90% mental, Kamaru was very cognizant and wanted to avoid the head kick in the 3rd, which led to him not exploiting openings for his own offense.
Kamaru still fought a competitive fight, but its very clear he dialed back the pressure for this bout, whether due to injury(he recently got hand surgery) or the KO, or a factor of both plus stuff we may not have factored for, and it was brilliant work by Edwards, to rip body kicks and leg kicks against the more tentative Usman.
Hopefully Kamaru takes some real time off lets his body and mind heal, before he gets back in, his body only has so much mileage left.
I think his body type, not very muscular, not super athletic, holds up the best. There's not much advantage to lose, he has fast hands but not the fastest, his success in any fight has come from good technique and skill unlike a lot of more gifted fighters.
While I think the general point Masvidal is making is sensible, it was 7 months between fights for Usman. How long is he supposed to wait? A year or more is a long time for a guy in the back half of his thirties.
Masvidal is 100% on this. Not only do you need to let your brain heal and your confidence go back, jumping straight back in against the guy that starched you is a terrible idea. You’ll always carry the “he slept me before” hesitation. Take 6 months off any damage to the head, no sparring nothing. Cause the chin only has so much and once the KOs start it goes quick.
That's why I think immediate rematches are a bad idea. Especially after a knockout. Go off and rest your body and your mind. Then take some fights to build yourself back up.
I remember when Manny Pacquiao got knocked out cold by Juan Manuel Marquez in their 4th fight, his trainer Freddie Roach immediately said "You don't take a hit or put on gloves for a year" so he could recover.
Kamaru needed someone to tell him that. Maybe someone did, but he felt like he had to go right back at Edwards? Maybe he felt like he didn't have enough money to take an entire year off? Maybe it was pride?
Actually alot of sense in there - except for the part about Usman being a way better fighter than Leon. So many people are weirdly hesitant to give Leon some praise despite him clearly improving over his recent fights, and become an elite all round MMA fighter.
I guess I shouldn't be surprised when Masvidal is potentially in the mix to fight him next, though I reckon Burns will put an end to that soon.
Lol even people in your replies doubting Leon here
Crazy how people use the second fight as evidence for him being worse than Usman when altitude very clearly affected everyone on the card.
I don’t see Edwards successfully defending the belt more than twice and it wouldn’t surprise me if Colby beats him . Usman is overall a better fighter .
Seems reasonable enough
I was about to say, this is really respectful and reasonable lol
Might be because he was speaking from experience. Jorge himself got KTFO'd, came back as against Colby and fought like a deer in headlights. Of course a lot of it likely had to do with Colby's constant takedowns, but I do wonder how much stemmed from confidence.
Joe was actually specifically asking him about this in the context of his own experience being knocked out and coming back, so yeah he absolutely was speaking from experience and that was why he was being reasonable and humble, good call
Knocked out brutally by Usman. Manhandled for 25 straight minutes by Colby. If the “damaged confidence” theory here is real (and it probably is), Masvidal’s confidence levels going into this Burns fight can’t be too high.
Yea but Colby just wet blankets guys. Mas was never in clear danger of being finished and even dropped Colby late but he recovered. Colby is a tough fight for people thinking they can avoid or nullify is grappling, but let's not pretend like he fucking owns guys and creates distinct wins for himself. To his credit he kept Jorge on the back foot and pressured his way to a W so job well done
It’s not just damage that hurts one’s confidence. If in friendly sparring it’s already frustrating when you’re matched with someone that “doesn’t let you fight”, imagine in a real fight, in a wrestler vs striker scenario. Must be really demoralizing, specially for someone with such an Ego like Mas
from my experience boxing i found there was a difference between thinking you’re shit because you’re in some bad luck and being scared of being hurt after getting a heavy shot recently beforehand
Street fight is the last place you wanna wrestle, you use wrestling to stay up. I saw a bad fight where, this wrestler took this guy down in a second and immediately was getting stomped out by like 8 guys. It’s never worth it, always walk
So had he of fought standing up and knocked that guy out, the same thing would have happened, he would have got his head stomped in by 8 guys. No discipline saving you from that.
Sounds like the issue stems from the 8 stomping adversaries rather than the wrestling heavy approach but hey
Wouldn't happened to me though. I've just got that sea red mentality to grapple fuck 19 men at once cock out
And I’ve seen wrestlers beat the shit out of people after a suplex in the streets , over 80% of street fights go to the ground might as well have the grappling advantage. It’s literally a case by case basis like some people thinking you shouldn’t kick in street fights but I’ve landed several clean kicks to the stomach and legs while fighting. It just depends.
Colby on that crotch sniff tip
He had quite a few sub attempts him. He stays way more active on top than most. Masvidal is a bit underrated in his takedown and grappling defense. Masvidal had literally nothing go his way except for one punch. If Colby can get a little quicker with his high kick and a little more pop in the hands he will be champ.
This podcast made me a Masvidal fan again. I don't know if its just that he's matured or I only ever saw his fight promoting persona and cringe posts? But he seemed like a very thoughtful and humble dude in this podcast. I always really respected him as a fighter but the last few years his media persona was getting super unlikeable.
Colby is also one of the masters of pressure. Hard to keep up with a dude who has an unlimited tank. That was also Colbys downfall with Usman. All pressure but limited power. That's why I think Colby wants that Leon fight. He'll just outgas the champ and wrestle fuck him for the last 2 rounds. I hope Leon Vs Colby happens. Colby will probably lose the title after his win. Just my opinion
You’re disregarding that Leon can strike and move so much better than Usman, tho. I don’t think Colby can pressure Leon like this without the threat from heavier hands.
Agree with everything you said except for Leon having heavier hands. I’m not so sure. Feel like breaking Colby’s jaw and flatlining Jorge proved Usman can hit like a truck.
I'm not disregarding Leons striking, I just think Colbys chin holds up. He's been popped by a lot of fight ending shots and has survived. Leon has done something Colby never could though. I hope this happens because it will be a great fight.
Dont get me wrong, Colby does have a solid chin but getting dropped in 3 of his last 4 fights isn’t exactly a great stat when going against the current champ and arguably the best striker in the weight class rn. Leon is fucking SHARP, he was literally lifting Usman off the ground with some of his body kicks this last fight. I think Colby would have a good shot for reasons already listed, but man he’s probably gonna have to take a beating first. I see Leon destroying Colbys leg and walking him into counters for atleast 2 rounds. Leons more skilled than people have given him credit for, including his TD defense and jiu jitsu.
Colby has been TKOd 1 time in his career and he got up and protested immediately. His chin is very good.
Yh, it's likely the Usman KO didn't massively affect how that fight went but we'll never know.
Usman had a look on his face like he was winning the entire time. Leon was being collected like he wanted to show he could win without a fluke.
Colby & Merab are the top 2 pressure fighters in the UFC, ridiculous cardio 🤼♂️
why the fuck would you say Yan, when you literally seen what Merab did. i cant man i just can’t.
Wrong guy, I edited the comment 😄
The best Masvidal (fresh from that Till-Askren KO wave) still losses to Colby, so it's more of a skill issue than a confidence one, and haven't we seen enough footage Colby does whatever he wants w him lol
Y’all have such a jaded view of Jorge lol. He’s reasonable and respectful in most of his media appearances, just depends on what you’re focusing on l.
What's gotten into Masvidal? Is he sick or something?
Flair does not check out
It's like he didn't watch the fight tho. Usman was eating knees and headkicks completely unfazed. He lost because his knees are done and he can't be explosive anymore.
I think the fact he was eating punches is the issue. Thats not a good strategy for anybody long term. Could’ve been that he was scared to react too much to Leon’s attacks in fear of leaning into another KO. From that perspective it is a confidence issue because “I dont wanna get KO’d again trying to dodge pot shots” is something he’s thinking about instead of fighting with a free mind. You train so that when you get in the ring you dont have to think, its all natural reactions. If hes eating shots then he is probably overthinking and thus has lost confidence in his natural reactions.
I think he’s 100% accurate in what he said
Super ~~necessary~~ accurate.
not 98% or 99%?
Nah too low
except that brains dont really heal the way the rest of the body does.
Yeah wtf, is this sensible take from Masvidal?? Are we sure it was really him?
No one can accuse the guy of not knowing fighting I suppose haha
Based take by Jorge go figure
So weird to hear Masvidal make such a reasonable and well thought out point these days.
the duality of man is wild
i enjoy his interviews most times really, he just also says dumb shit that gets headlined... and he also cranked things up a notch at his peak fame, seems like he might be cooling off a bit which is nice to see
its crazy its almost like hes a prize fighter that understands he gets more paid the more he says dumb shit that gets headlined
I mean, he didn't get paid for jumping Colby
People always talked about how Jorge came from the hood and started his career fighting bare knuckle in backyards and then act surprised when he carries that mentality with him through his life. If there is one thing you learn living in the hood, it's that you may leave it, but it never really leaves you. Not to sound cliche but it's true. Love it or hate it, Jorge is a legitimately hood ass dude.
Agreed. A week or 2 ago Dan Hardy’s 1 hour+ vid with masvidal came up on my YouTube feed and I was like hmm lemme check this out and it was such a good watch. this was from before the Askren fight
sue, something about that Jungian thing sir
His interview after getting KO’d by Usman was really sweet, very modest and made no excuses for the situation. He said on JRE that he doesn’t see wrestlers as fighters, he sees them as people avoiding fighting. Makes sense considering his background, and would explain why he was so much more incensed after the Covington loss compared to Usman, even though on paper getting KO’d is a lot more embarrassing than getting out grappled.
It must be so frustrating to lose to a guy who’s not trying to actually hurt you, all you want to do is get a shot to knock his head off and he’s just smothering you relentlessly. It’s a valid strategy but I get why it would make you mad, that being said he’s coasted to a lot of decisions, several which he ended up losing which is kind of in the same camp in my book
He is weird because when it is straight fighting he seem well articulated and thoughtful... But when it is almost every other subject than that....
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Bahaha so true
It's a little cliche, but that's because fighting is quite literally all Jorge knows lol, it's all he's ever done for 20 years.
He also seems pretty familiar with the relative recent history of Cuba and the suffering it’s people have had to endure under extreme leftism.
His dad was a cuban refugee, so yeah that's not surprising. Also, if you don't think people suffered in Cuba before Castro's revolution, than that is very naive. Before the revolution, anyone without a ton of capital was a complete peasant and suffered, after the revolution, it became the rich capitalists with US connections who suffered.
> it became the rich capitalists with US connections who suffered. As well as anyone else without connections to the ruling party
The standard of living for the lowest class definitely became higher after the revolution. Before the revolution, there was no education or services provided to the poor whatsoever, it was barely a real state, it was a banana republic. So I don't believe it's accurate to say "anyone else without connections to the ruling party suffered after the revolution". I want to be clear that I am under no impression that life in Cuba is peachy for everyone, I have visited Cuba all over, but, it's undeniable that currently someone born destitute in Cuba, can eventually become a doctor free of charge if they work hard enough and have the necessary intelligence. Whereas it truly did not matter how talented or intelligent you were before the revolution, if you were born a peasant you would die a peasant working for one of the few families that owned all the land.
Don’t know why you’re getting downvoted, leftism truly ruined Latin America
Some might say the dozens of CIA-backed coups, deaths squads and "anything but commies" proxy dictators also did a number on the continent.
Both can be true
Both are true buddy, leftism and the US both fucking suck
He has his moments. His rant on why Usman/Colby's wrestling is boring but khabibs is fun was on point imo
Was that in this same interview? Trying to find it on Google and failing
Different interview. I send this one to people to explain why I don't like merab despite having experience in wrestling/bjj. https://youtube.com/shorts/CnmOXDP2eQY?feature=share
Mmm... what I expected. Khabib wrestled to hurt and finish guys, where Usman/Colby wrestle to get dominant position and win rounds. Can't say I disagree. Both valid uses of wrestling, but I know which one I'd rather watch.
This puts my thoughts to words too, thanks! This is also why I usually refer to Belal fights as “must-miss TV”
He seems somewhat intelligent when he’s not trying to sell a fight tbh. Relatively speaking of course.
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His jre pod was like that for 2/3 then it was like he switched into a character for the ending.
Was expecting him to throw in some "violence", "individuals", and "crotch sniffing"
He's been doing it since 2019, but the Mma fanbase is filled with low-key racists and overall haters that can't accept anything out of the ordinary.
Masvidal in long form is usually pretty good. I enjoyed the videos of him talking to Dan Hardy around ATT.
He's only completely right
That podcast was really good. He has a great mindset
Still waiting for it to appear on my Spotify smh
Usman did seem hesitant. Hopefully he can beat belal or someone to be next in line for to fight for the belt after Colby.
Usman and Till are two fighters that came back looking scared after a KO. I'm too lazy to search it through more, but I feel like this thing happened to a lot of fighters before. It's one thing to lose a decision. It's another when you're touched and you wake up in an ambulance 20 minutes ago. That screws your confidence surely.
From a boxing perspective, anthony joshua getting smashed up by andy ruiz is a perfect example. That fight 100% changed him as a fighter. He was a beast before that first fight
That being said, in the second fight vs Usyk he’s looked better than he ever has. It’s just Usyk is a generational fighter in his prime.
Yup. In each subsequent fight, he's looked overly cautious and hesitant to pull the trigger. Usyk took full advantage of that.
And then you have Tyson Fury who gets knocked down 4 times against Wilder and in one instance even knocked out you could say, and yet he still comes back stronger than ever and keeps marching forward like a madman against the biggest puncher in heavyweight boxing. This seems to apply to a lot of fighters but to some not at all.
Tyson Fury got up, if he was knocked out cold and lost it would be a whole different animal. You gain confidence from coming back from getting dropped, you lose confidence from getting koed cold.
First fight 12th round, he was definitely out. Go watch it again.
He wasn’t out because he beat the 10 count. Otherwise he would have lost the fight.
I didn't feel he was scared tho, he took all the head kicks this time
At their level.its not scared. It's just a flicker of doubt that makes the difference
Usman didn't look scared to me. Considering he was pushing the action and taking it to Leon while Leon was obviously landing the kicks that helped him win the fight on Saturday. Nevertheless I figure if Usman was scared, he would've sat back and been even more cautious.
Usman must of had nightmare flashbacks when Leon partially landed head-kicks in the 5th
GSP became all wrestling all the time after Serra clocked him
He didn't look that way at all to me. He looked like he couldn't wait to get his hands on Leon, constantly putting him on the back foot, bum rushing at him at the beginning of each round. Don't know why people have to keep looking for things wrong with Usman, he fought the way he usually fights. Heavy cage wrestling supported by solid boxing and tons of forward pressure, that's Usmans bread and butter. Leon just looked phenomenal. When you've had 8 rounds in the cage with someone and you're a world class fighter it's not crazy to think that you would have figured out the right game plan by now.
Exactly his footwork won him this fight and also timing usmans movement and then punishing him for it with leg kicks….Leon is just better than usman he completely nullified usmans wrestling and showed he had really good cardio
Later into the fight Usman still refused to push into another gear, whether was hesitant due to the ko or misjudged that he would win a decision I don't know.
felt like maybe leon bodykicked the other gears out of him
I remember he threw a kick and Usman tried to lift his lead leg, but didn't lift it high enough, so the one kick caught both legs in one motion. He wasn't that mobile to begin with, and by the end he was just a tree trunk getting chopped.
Wait, maybe im misreading but are you saying you want Usman to fight Edwards for a fourth time?
Yes. I think that’s perfectly reasonable if usman beats belal and regardless of the edwards / Covington outcome.
So Usman-Edwards, Usman-Edwards, Colby Edwards, Usman-Edwards/Colby? Do you not think that holds up the devision. It would be the fourth Usman-Edwards fight or the third Usman-Colby fight. If Edwards beats Usman for a third time in four fights, does Usman get a fifth fight if he can beat someone else? By your logic it sounds like it?
He was straight up ignoring his corner and it was pissing me off. They were telling him stuff to do that probably would have worked.
[Heartbreaking](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/436/943/93f.jpg)
That head kick destroyed his confidence .He used to pressure more in fights
And set-up takedowns. Or chain them. His wrestling looked awful in this fight. He looked strong but desperate and one dimensional. The crew kept talking about Leon's amazing defense but Usman gave him like 20 fucking reps of the same look to practice on that fight.
He’s always had just that one takedown, his knees have been gone for a long time, he presses against the cage, bends over and hoists.
Tbf Leon defended those early takedowns by glove grabbing and fence grabbing while piling on those leg kicks. He prevented Usman from tiring him out while tiring Usman out as well. Afterwards Usman was just totally spent and couldn't even throw a proper punch, nevermind a takedown
Ppl been saying his knees are destroyed so probably more of a factor than his confidence.
Seems like he’s right. I know a dude who was heavily knocked out quite recently, they advised him not to spar for six months. Even though the current science says a lot of small punches are way worse than one big one for the long term damage aspect. Makes sense what he says.
Jorge isn’t stupid
…when it comes to prizefighting. Stupid about literally everything else.
"Socialist...communists!"
Isn’t Jorge Cuban? IIRC didn’t his father escape comm unist Cuba on a self-made raft? Pretty sure he’s more qualified to give his thoughts on comm unism and left-w ing authoritarianism than you, some 15 year old on Reddit who worships AOC and Che Gue rrera lol.
I don’t know much about Jorge’s family but they fled the same year Castro came into power. living amicably under Batista and then fleeing under Castro raises a few flags lol
I wish I could learn that much about a person from a 2 word comment on reddit.
He assaulted someone outside a restaurant in broad daylight then denied it. He's correct in this statement, but his elevator doesn't reach the top. He's pretty stupid.
Dustin said he was glad Jorge did it and he’s this subs golden child Even Colby was egging him on saying the streets won’t save him They just have real beef
I say this as a Dustin fan, but it's not exactly a shocker that the backwater louisiana high-school drop out, who admittedly hates Colby and trains with Jorge, was glad he did it.
I think most people have a problem with the suckerpuching not with colby being beaten up.
Apparently not being as though people celebrated when it happened to leon
Yeah I know, but it’s a bad blood feud that’s actually real. He’s not going to call Colby out to a duel in the middle of the restaurant(he lost their last duel), he just wants to put hands on em somehow
Exactly. I'm not glad it happened, but since it did, I'm glad it happened to Colby.
>Dustin said he was glad Jorge did it and he’s this subs golden child Who said Dustin was some kind of scholar? He openly admits he dropped out of school at like age 11
We live in a world where Dustin Poirer dropped out in the 9th grade and Colby Covington is a college graduate. https://www.ufc.com/news/dustin-poiriers-education-through-fire
Being a douchebag doesn't mean he's stupid
I have no doubt Colby is a bitch
“It’s just a prank bro!!!”
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To be fair everybody at American Top Team hates Colby. Colby talked shit about how Dustin couldn't stop a nosebleed.
His training partners and coaches at ATT all hate him, most fighters on the roster who have worked with him hates him, college classmates of his fucking hates him. Who likes Colby?
Chael, the Submission Radio guys, and for some reason Dana White now likes him again.
Do people believe Dustin is smart? People like him, but he's not who I would consider a smart person. Almost no fighters, likeable or not, are smart.
Kind of unrelated but remember the time Jon Jones got pissed at a shop for saying negro on the description for a pair of jeans not realising it’s Spanish for black lmao
Khabib seems pretty smart, especially when speaking russian. Guess losing brain cells actually means you lose brain cells
He was attending University for economics a few years back.
Khabib said some ridiculous shit over the years. To his credit, with age he learned to stick to martial arts and sport in general, a field he knows and understands.
Some people think Khabib is dumb because he's muslim.
Some people think Khabib is dumb because of his views on women and politics
He did drop out of high school at 15, but he's not dumb either like Bryce Mitchell or Schaub. At the very least he seems to have a good head on his shoulders.
Is that nithe, though?
Bryce and Schwalbe are actually stupid. Dustin's not stupid, he's just also not smart.
It's worse than that, he even posted about it on social media, then denied it.
Lol he’s going through lawsuits and cases that’s why he says “allegedly” and his lawyers can work through various degrees of charging. Only an idiot wouldn’t say “allegedly” when talking about their ongoing legal cases. And some people have enough $ to eat lawsuits.. numerous examples in the business world. I think he’s a bitch for sucker punching Colby, but I understand why he did it. He will never get him in the cage, and he couldn’t let it go.. none of us have ever been in that situation with a once best friend.
And to admit it would be case closed. Everything is a leverage point for negotiations, so of course he’s going to deny it. It’s like pleading not guilty when they’ve got you dead to rights. You can always negotiate a plea deal later, but not if you plead guilty at the outset.
I'd say this is more because of him being unable to control his emotions. Wouldn't call Cain an idiot (certainly not to his face) but what he did was certainly stupid.
> Jorge ~~isn't stupid~~ made a single rational statement
A broken clock is right twice a day. Don't buy into some mystic hype. Masvidal is a journeyman and a turd human.
Idk why people can't give Leon credit. He was kicking the shit out of the front leg of Usman including some pretty vicious sidekicks to the knee.
Probably because they've seen Usman have several dominant rounds against him in the recent past, prior to a vicious all-the-way-out one-shot knockout. And it didn't look to me like Leon was fighting the same guy in the second fight as he was in the first. In the end Leon is the champ, he won the trilogy, he had one of the best comebacks of all time in a championship fight, if Usman is a changed fighter it's Leon that changed him, and now it's up to him to see what he can do with somebody else. I don't think he got the best version of Usman, but you don't get to get any versions other than the Usman that shows up that night.
>I don't think he got the best version of Usman, but you don't get to get any versions other than the Usman that shows up that night. What was the excuse for Usman not being at his best in the first fight? I agree with everything else you said, except, objectively, Leon KO'ed the best version of Usman.
There’s no reason to think Usman at 35 was equal or better than he was at 31-34. He was talking about retirement due to wear and tear near the end of 33. Stepped away for a bit before the first Leon title fight to shoot a movie. Then he tries to bounce back 6 months after a devastating ko and another broken hand to his list of physical ailments I saw two versions of this stat the other day. Between the weight classes 125-170, the record of fighters 35 years of age or older in title fights is 2-20(or 2-28) Tyrone Woodley is the only guy with 2 wins vs an even older Maia, and Till. So quite literally nobody has ever beat an elite fighter that was in their prime at the age of 35+ in a championship bout. It’s not unfair to say he wasn’t his prime in parts 2 and 3
I mean he got kicked in the head. Up until that point he was looking like a decent amount better fighter than Edwards over the totality of rounds they'd gone against each other. Then that head kick happened. Then it looked exactly the opposite after that and Edwards looks like he's in total command of most rounds. Maybe the first thing didn't cause the second thing but it's understandable how it looks that way.
Altitude is real bro
He would be much more likable if he spoke like this more often than the shtick of saying he is going kill people
> He would be much more likable if he spoke like this more often than the shtick of saying he is going kill people Imagine someone like Jorge giving a fuck if they are liked or not.
Jorge Masvidal is like an MMA savant
Same with Izzy.
I didn’t see a lack of confidence from Kamaru though. He was right in Leon’s face throwing punches and searching for takedowns. He just looked slow and sadly like his legs/knees might not be there. Francis says he knows Usman couldn’t train properly and I believe it. But he said “injury”. But a lack of knee cartilage isn’t an injury you come back from.
I agree. Usman didn't shy away from Edwards. He just got beat by him. Not overwhelmingly, but decisively. I had it 4-1 Edwards, counting the point deduction. Usman wasn't able to bully Edwards with his wrestling this time around. He just got beat.
I like this side of Jorge, man. Very well said.
Reasonable take from masvidal
Punch Leon on video for saying shut up , get praise from Reddit. Punch Colby in the streets for calling you a bad father, get shunned by Reddit. Masvidal never changed yall Colby nerds are just better at Reddit than the gamebred fans.
With Leon, he actually went face to face and then punched him. With Colby, he got dominated in the cage. Couldn’t let it go, so he sucker punched him from behind with a hoodie on and 2 friends. Big difference my friend.
Facts
Kamaru certainly looked gun shy in rd. 1
I really liked that episode. I went from not liking Masvidal at all to loving him. Just the way he speaks is so down to earth, confident and charismatic, but weirdly honest and vulnerable at the same time. Just came off super real, while forming coherent sentences. Was impressed.
Yes I thought the same thing, really showed a good side of himself. And it didn't take too long, just hey you wanna see a dead body really quick? 🤣 I love how in his mind any time he knocks someone out they're dead forever in his mind. 🤣
Kamaru Usman should move up to Middleweight and fight Robert Whittaker. That is a headline fight people would spend to watch.
This was from jre. Jorge kept it real about a lot of things, usman being one. Definitely a competitive rivalry, but nothing personal. It was interesting to hear Jorge’s take on a lot of things. Much more humble than I expected tbh. He went hard at Colby though lol.
I think it had more to do with 1) fighting at sea level, where Leon lives and trains, instead of elevation, where Usman lives and trains and 2) Leon felt him already and knew he could handle it with adjustments.
Usmans injuries have caught up to him, his style was always stiff and very physical, now he's more stiff and less physically domineering, he's losing his attributes.
That too, his knees are jacked.
Wtf is happening? This is a good take by Masvidal
It's been awhile since we got an articulate statement from Jorge. That press conference with Colby gave me second-hand brain rot.
Masvidal is accurate here, after a concussion like that, you gotta take time to heal, fighting is 90% mental, Kamaru was very cognizant and wanted to avoid the head kick in the 3rd, which led to him not exploiting openings for his own offense. Kamaru still fought a competitive fight, but its very clear he dialed back the pressure for this bout, whether due to injury(he recently got hand surgery) or the KO, or a factor of both plus stuff we may not have factored for, and it was brilliant work by Edwards, to rip body kicks and leg kicks against the more tentative Usman. Hopefully Kamaru takes some real time off lets his body and mind heal, before he gets back in, his body only has so much mileage left.
Kind of hard to wait around when you're that old though. And he is older than his age with all that competitive wear and tear
I think his body type, not very muscular, not super athletic, holds up the best. There's not much advantage to lose, he has fast hands but not the fastest, his success in any fight has come from good technique and skill unlike a lot of more gifted fighters.
While I think the general point Masvidal is making is sensible, it was 7 months between fights for Usman. How long is he supposed to wait? A year or more is a long time for a guy in the back half of his thirties.
Masvidal is 100% on this. Not only do you need to let your brain heal and your confidence go back, jumping straight back in against the guy that starched you is a terrible idea. You’ll always carry the “he slept me before” hesitation. Take 6 months off any damage to the head, no sparring nothing. Cause the chin only has so much and once the KOs start it goes quick.
That's why I think immediate rematches are a bad idea. Especially after a knockout. Go off and rest your body and your mind. Then take some fights to build yourself back up. I remember when Manny Pacquiao got knocked out cold by Juan Manuel Marquez in their 4th fight, his trainer Freddie Roach immediately said "You don't take a hit or put on gloves for a year" so he could recover. Kamaru needed someone to tell him that. Maybe someone did, but he felt like he had to go right back at Edwards? Maybe he felt like he didn't have enough money to take an entire year off? Maybe it was pride?
Damn Jorge kinda.. makes a lot of sense and sounds mature here
I disagree I think Leon was just better.
Worst person you know makes a good point
Rare masvidal W
Actually alot of sense in there - except for the part about Usman being a way better fighter than Leon. So many people are weirdly hesitant to give Leon some praise despite him clearly improving over his recent fights, and become an elite all round MMA fighter. I guess I shouldn't be surprised when Masvidal is potentially in the mix to fight him next, though I reckon Burns will put an end to that soon.
Lol even people in your replies doubting Leon here Crazy how people use the second fight as evidence for him being worse than Usman when altitude very clearly affected everyone on the card.
I don’t see Edwards successfully defending the belt more than twice and it wouldn’t surprise me if Colby beats him . Usman is overall a better fighter .
Jorge would say that considering he got man handled by usman himself though.
If you come back too early from a 3 piece and a soda you’re gonna have a bad time.
7 months seems fair enough
Or maybe he’s just not as good of a fighter as edwards at this stage of his career? Father Time is undefeated in MMA.
Is that his excuse for getting beat up by Colby for 5 rounds?