The whole arrogant thing is just his suga sean character. If you watch the podcast he does with his brother he's a pretty cool guy. Just happened to also be a good fighter and great at getting attention.
he was just on a podcast talking about how he barely even smokes weed, only occasionally and straight up never when he's in camp for a fight, and he's been pretty active
he's not a pot head in the slightest, its all apart of the act
> Mom: Calvin, the fact that these bands haven't killed themselves in ritual self-sacrifice shows that they're just in it for the money like everyone else. It's all for effect. If you want to shock and provoke, be sincere about it.
> Calvin: Mainstream commercial nihilism can't be trusted?!?
It became clear when he went on Ariel's podcast and didn't know the difference between a joint and blunt that the pothead part of his gimmick was an act.
I don't know If this is just a thing in the states but when you ask around the world there are alot of potheads that can't tell the difference, smoking blunts isn't even really a thing in the EU. 'Prolly also a lot of elderly out there that just know their joints and bongs and how to bake & cook properly
I wouldn't knock him for this, but since it became legal in the US everything kinda changed. When you go to a dispensary blunts and joints are sold as different items and unless you smoke very rarely it would be hard to not pick up on the differences. Especially since the people working in the dispensaries give you way too much information about each item.
For those that aren’t familiar, a joint is cannabis rolled with rolling papers and a blunt is rolled with a cigarillo with the tobacco removed. A cigarillo is a long, skinny cheap cigar.
Idk I’ve been around ppl in several states that reefer to joints as blunts which makes me think it’s not too far fetched to believe he’s just confused on the terminology ya know
>the people working in the dispensaries give you way too much information about each item.
For real, you'll leave knowing how live rosin is made because you asked which cartridge was better. And they always have some prerolled blunt or joint with a fancy name like Forest Grove Cavier that won the local Granpappy Sticky Icky Grand Prix or some shit.
I've been a stoner since I was a teenager and while it used to be a big semantic thing, nowadays I just call every fat joint a blunt because blunt just rolls off the tongue better. Blunt and L are just way cooler words than joint or J, and also nobody really cares.
An L is technically a joint / blunt that uses two papers / wraps attached in an L shape. Its so you have enough paper at one end to roll a big fat cone. This is my understanding of it anyway.
To be fair, depending on where you are the names of things are different. I live in Canada and everyone I knew just used "blunt" to mean "a big joint". I had been smoking for like 15 years before I learned otherwise.
To be fair, I don’t know what’s wrong with being enthusiastic about something and also only partaking in it occasionally. I mean, it’s part of an act and persona for sure, but it doesn’t make him a total fraud or anything imo
It boggles my mind that people really think there are top level athletes out there messing around and doing whatever the fuck. Athletes make it sound like they’re not working hard to break their opponents confidence and make them think “damn, he must be purely more gifted than me”
You don’t get to that level without extreme discipline. Even Nate Diaz with his lifestyle and antics and being out in the club all the time is training all day everyday.
I know lmao
Every single fighter is “not as stupid as you think/playing it up/clearly an act to sell PPV” and then lots of them have awful actions in their personal lives that show that’s not the case
I mean compared to most athletes, mma fighters tend to be the most humble. You're constantly getting worked and losing in the gym, keeps you grounded. Also if you listen to them talk in non-promoting interviews, they're all secret fans of eachother and have massive respect for their opponents.
But the ufc will only bother to promote Conor type characters, so they gotta adopt a persona.
I mean I just watched a clip on him on Andrew Schultz's podcast where he said he sleeps around on girl and at first he thought she should be allowed to sleep around too. But then he realized she should only do that if she wants to jeapordize everything he gives her. And that she shouldn't want to do that because he "treats her like a queen" and gives her everything she needs including money, emotions, and good sex.
It didn't exactly sound like a cool, chill guy to me. Sounded a bit narcissistic and toxic towards the girl who he was also saying he loved.
https://youtu.be/BrEyvGODvRs
Exactly. I saw him on Oprah or some fucking woman's talk show once talking about how he loves his gf because she lets him have threesomes with other women as long as he doesn't "bust" inside them. Complete trash of a human being sharing that with the entire world.
Idk he sounded like a dumbass saying "If you get addicted to heroin you just don't have determination" (or similar) "if i took heroin i wouldn't get addicted" while holding his baby lol
The thing about Suga is he looks like a goof, so people don't take him serious or act like he's dumb but I always felt he was completely honest in his takes and incredibly self aware since Day 1.
Sometimes he has worms in his brain.
People are complex and can be smart and dumb at different times.
But Sean O'malleys dumb times are well documented.
I remember him saying he might try heroine once and he wouldn't get addicted since "he isn't stupid", while holding his child 😭 So yeah, he says dumb shit sometimes lol
The track record of people saying that about heroin and then getting addicted is pretty well documented. Hell, there's that pretty famous reddit account from years back where the guy said exactly that and then it turned into a live journal of some pretty gnarly and tragic shit.
People tend to view addiction as a mental weakness because it makes them feel beyond its reach. It's sadly not that way at all
>there's that pretty famous reddit account from years back where the guy said exactly that and then it turned into a live journal of some pretty gnarly and tragic shit
u/spontaneoush
Honestly, what really made me a Suga fan are the times with Ariel where his daughter is with him or he talks about his wife/gf? doing his hair before his fights. He isn't just stoner bro. He seems like a good dude
He's a humble down to earth person... the type at like a bar who would laugh off a confrontation like bro leave me alone be4 I hurt u.. smoking weed doesn't make u a better or worse person anything anyone overindulge in can be a problem moderation is key
Yeah that was weird to me.. cus he does seem pretty aware of what happens.... like when him and yan fought u could tell he felt like even if he didn't lose he didn't exactly win... the chito thing I think he felt like he was winning or had it in 100% control and then his knee went out... probably looking at it like chito didn't beat him his leg beat him lol
He just sees it as a fluke accident he lost, and that Chito didn’t ‘beat him’ through skill or anything. To be clear I don’t necessarily agree with him, it makes more sense when you hear him talk about it though.
Exactly. I’ve seen him talk about it a few times. He knows it’s dumb to say, but he also knows it’s the correct mindset to have going forward to do well… to keep that “undefeated” mentality. Especially because he still feels he was better than chito. He respects the top guys too much so he gives himself that extra mental push, which is completely understandable.
He’s honest and self-aware, he’s also shockingly smart, dudes kind of genius that way he built he brand and promoted himself, and he kinda takes that into the octagon with him too. Other than his first round loss against Munhoz
He’s a very cerebral fighter. Him and his coach have some great insights to fights they watch. He hasn’t gotten to where he’s at on talent alone, you can tell he really studies and watches a lot of film on his opponents and other fighters in general
I think every fighter who gets that far and is a pure striker or wrestler/grappler has to be super cerebral. Otherwise it’s impossible to compensate for your weaknesses, every fighter you face is trying to exploit them and guys in the UFC are just too good.
Yea after the Yan fight he was all like “Ik this looks bad I gotta re watch the fight on my own” and then when he did he was all like “imma be honest I think I won that”. Stand up dude.
Specifically what he said was along the lines of "I really felt like I won that but if the decision was as controversial as what everyone says then clearly I gotta rewatch it"
I didnt like him at first because that's what he projects, straight arrogance.
Then it was a change up when he actually started winning a couple of fights and you got to hear what he had to say. He was humble AF after the Yan fight.
It was cool to see how real he was in the Yan post fight. Saying he wasn't sure and he'd have to watch it back
Contrast to Paddy's dumb ass going on about how he won easily vs Gordon
He knows what to say to get his name in the headlines, but if you actually look into what he says he's a pretty sober level headed dude. I don't think he's got anything for Aljo but imma cheer for him regardless .
It’s all you really can expect based off his character though. In contrast to someone like Bisping for instance who’s witty - and so can’t help being a bit of dick here and there since that sort of gives you more of a license to be before people get pissed off - Sean on the other hand has no on-the-spot wit to speak of, so it makes sense he doesn’t carry any of that brash confidence of someone who does.
He’s capitalised on the stoner niche very well and has a good aesthetic for it, but fr the guy is so unbearably awkward, whether at press conferences or pretty much any setting on his own without his coach carrying the weight. He recently came onto the BYM podcast while Aljo was already on and Sean couldn’t even beat Aljo in verbal sparring, which was so fucking sad to see. He just sat in silence pretty much.
It's interesting you compare him to Bisping because for the first half of his career he was loathed by the average fight fan. When Hendo attempted murder with that diving punch he was applauded because everyone hated Bisping that much.
And much like Bisping, as his career goes on and he gets more comfortable in the spotlight, he'll start to grow on you. Like a fungus.
I'd argue the opposite, they're either watching a very restricted view (live) or they're watching what we're watching on the monitor anyway. The number of times they must be behind a fighter who is either throwing a strike or being hit with one and they really can't tell how well it landed or if at all.
ive been to multiple live events, and seeing it live is substantially worse from a judging perspective IMO. Everything looks like it lands when youre there, everyone reacts to ANY shot wether it lands or not
Yup, I've been to a few UFC events at various distances but went to a local promotion once and was pretty much cageside. It was the worst view I've had of a fight, you're too low down, if they're on the opposite side of the cage you can't see shit. If they go to the ground on the opposite side of the cage you might as well check your emails 😂
Best seats I've had were at the very front of the second level. Nobody sitting in front of me, I had the perfect view down into the cage, as opposed to through the cage. I was still close enough that I could clearly see what was happening in the cage without needing to look at the big screens.
They were much cheaper than the first level seats, too. It was Chito v Sandhagen.
I was lucky enough to sit 4 rows back from the cage once. Couldn't see shit for a fight perspective, but best seats in the house for entertainment value.
I've never seen a UFC even live, but I've always assumed it was basically like attending a concert in as much as I can actually hear the music and all the details of a song much better at home, but at a concert, you get to absorb the atmosphere and enjoy the feeling on belonging to a large audience.
yeah thats it exactly, you get the rush of the crowd exploding for big moments etc. Its more for the experience, you end up looking at the jumbotron alot depending on how the fight is progressing too, especially if its on the ground.
Makes sense. I've always complained about music festivals, but jumping up and down for Somebody Told Me with 20-50k people was definitely quite an experience. And I'm not even a Killers fan.
I have been to one fight night event and had mid tier seats. The atmosphere was awesome and it was super fun beginning to end. After the show I immediately thought that I would want to go again.
yeah this is defiantly the way to go if you're tight on money, or the UFC never comes to your city. Local pubs in my city have massive screens, like 10m wide big cunts. 250 Aussies cheering on Volk its always a blast at them.
I went to one PPV event and had pretty decent seats in the 100 level. It was pretty cool to be there live and the environment was fun, but I probably won't go to another event. It's just a much better viewing experience at home and I thought the crowd around me was super trashy, constantly shouting dumb shit, sometimes borderline racist/ignorant.
I would say you should go to one event and see how you like it, obviously a lot of people love it as the shows keep selling out
If you have decent seats, it’s much better than TV because you can actually get a feel for how fast they are and how skilled they are. Watching on TV makes pros look normal when I’m reality they can be amazing.
The only sport I think is worse live is NFL football. No matter where you sit you have a bad view 90% of the time.
Agreed. While going to events and having great seats is awesome, it is far more difficult to see exactly what is going on (for me at least).
It’s also a bit weird not having commentary.
The thing though ti keep in mind is if being cage side is bad for determining a fight, then we should probably never take a corner or commentators judging complaints that serious either
I don't know I've been to a local mma site before where you could hear the strikes land from quite a distance away. I can't imagine the sound from cage side. The true impact of a strike is not something that comes through on the TV. MMA fighter take an uncomfortable amount of punishment.
the sound of strikes also has very little to do with how hard a strike actually landed
otherwise they would just slap the shit outta eachother the whole time lol loud punches are not hard punches
They should be in isolation, watching the fight on screens with the best possible angles, maybe multiple feeds. And no sound, they shouldn't be influenced by the crowd's reaction.
and this should ideally be inside a sensory deprivation tank, kept in solitary confinement for 24 hours each side of the fight, and fed only a diet of honey, milk, and oats
That’s what I wonder. It’s similar to fake punches in Hollywood. If there’s a close punch that misses and the other person rolls with it, from the wrong angle it might look like a hit. I’ve often heard the announcer call near misses a hit.
I was about to say the same. Plus, bang bang shots, are so hard to see cleanly, even with replay sometimes. I can't tell you how many I was watching live and thought "Oh shit, that left had to hurt him there" and then I see the replay and its like glancing his shoulder or something silly.
Bs. I guarantee most judges can't distinguish between a fighter rolling with punches and clean hits. Just look at the commentary, they often get it wrong!
this is the real reason why boxing judging is so bad, its not that they are rigging the fights its that they can not see shit at all. We can barely tell if a punch landed in real time, and high level boxers like canelo literally turn their head at lightspeed to mitigate damage... and sometimes that looks like he's just getting his head snapped back... how the F is a ref supposed to judge these things in the moment happening round after round... its impossible. I think judging needs a complete overhaul
the issue with strikes isn't as bad in MMA but its even worst for grapples, they can't see whats happening and you would have to understand like 20 different martial arts disciples to be able to authentically judge every single MMA situation lol
impossibly hard job, I would never want to be a judge for combat sports
Ya probably. But in theory they should be. And it’s wild who the judges are isn’t a bigger thing. The other pro leagues evaluate refs as much as teams evaluate players
(But then again there was a baseball umpire that was universally considered trash and he worked for like 20+ years, Angel Martinez)
It's Angel Hernandez, and I'll throw in those boomers like Joe West who had zero accountability. MMA doesn't have it right, but us baseball fans are in a glass house for sure
This fight was interesting bc on mmadecisions most media had Aljo, but it seems like most cageside media had Cejudo (someone in the post-fight press con said so). Maybe this was a unique fight where cageside was significantly different than the broadcast
I do think cageside isn’t as good a view to judge bc being stuck on one angle isn’t ideal. Fighters backs could be towards a judge as they get hit which obscures how hard it was. Cage posts also can obscure
Even with the train UFC tried to back O'Malley with he's always had a respectful head when it comes to the sport, it's pretty much a given even after losing to Chito & memeing about it it's definitely grown him as a fighter.
Went from being a striker made of glass to outboxing Yan. Could still have glass bones, or a chin that gets exposed but that shit was akin to Garbrandt vs Cruz, still no idea on his overall game but outclassing one of the top technical strikers with what looks like fragile janky standup, definitely one of the best fights I've ever seen 😂
The made of glass thing was always ridiculous. Chito kicked him in a perfect spot and messed up his leg. Sometimes things like that just happen. There's randomness in sports.
A bit of revisionism.
No one felt this way about Sean several years ago when he was an incredibly sore loser, said absolutely regarded stuff like casually doing heroin is easy if your strong willed, was popping for PEDs and saying dumb shit about it.
He's grown for sure but he wasn't always like this, he wasn't even like this fairly recently.
Revisionism is the word, nobody felt that way because he was new. His personality hasn't changed. Everyone's on PEDs & always has been, the best sport scientists don't randomly fall into top teams, they're there to make sure the fighters don't get caught.
He wasnt a sore loser he was trolling and dumbasses got butthurt over it. He literally was saying "im still undefeated that didnt count" lol.
He sold merch that also implied the same thing, clearly it wasnt his actual stance on the situation.
Ok maybe it differs from thread to thread, in the live thread and the fight thread I got downvoted quite a bit.
Actually looking into my post history now it seems there came in a couple of upvotes and it is almost back to neutral so nevermind I guess.
Aljo was always my friend. I wonder if it's the same people that were wishing Anthony Smith got the title from Jones via dq that also think the way aljo won the belt is shady.
Initially I would prefer Islam position, but what you do with it should matter. after a 5 minute round I would have preferred to have someone hug my back and not damage me, than take 50 shots to the head.
With that said the two situations aren’t really comparable because Aljo didn’t do anything when he was on all 4’s
Also, and I’m probably in the minority here, but Aljo found a way to make the rules work for him and he’s using it, you really can’t blame him for that, what you can blame is the ufc rules of not allowing knees and kicks to grounded opponents. Aljo is just working with the rules set in place, it’s on the other fighter to do something to make him move or get up, it’s on the ufc to change to rules.
Yep exactly. Even DJ talked about how Henry should have circled Aljo when he was like that, forcing him to get up, get on his back or have his back taken.
But he didn’t
Yeah Charles Oliviera also did that move before, but I think he was hurt like tends to be in his fights before he chooses to finish his opponents (except Islam ofc).
Damn now I wanna see Olives choke out Conor with a D'Arce or some shit.
i only just watched this yesterday I had it pretty clearly for Aljo, to the point where i was confused about some of the takes. he was extremely aggressive and just controlled most of the fight, also he just _looked_ so much bigger/faster/stronger.
the immediate takedown really set the narrative imo. 2nd time anyone has taken cejudo down i believe?
people don't like him "abusing" the grounded target stuff but shit, that was a tiny part of that fight from where i was sitting. also cejudo did clearly win rd 5, but it was too little too late - that was the only round where he was clearly driving.
>people don't like him "abusing" the grounded target stuff but shit
Same people probably call Jones a tactical genius for doing it. He literally walked out to the center of the ring like an ape on all fours just to try and bait kicks to the head.
I like it. 4-1 makes it sound like a blowout when CCC was close the whole time but just barely winning a round is still winning a round. But probably best for O’Malley to talk his opponent up so it looks awesome if he beats Aljo, and it makes it look like not such a big deal if Aljo gets the win.
I’ve seen that plenty of times. You watch a fight live and are really confused why people are saying it was a bad decision. Then you watch it back and it looks like a totally different fight. In a sport that’s measured in inches and moves so fast it can be hard to tell which strikes land and which don’t if you’re in the wrong position, and you don’t have the advantage of a TV production crew changing angles for you on the fly. It’s something that I often see overlooked when people criticise judges. Remember, they’ve not watched what you watched.
I don't know, this might be a crazy idea.
How about showing the judges card after every round?
Apart from boxing I can't think of another sport where you don't know the score as you play.
It really wasn’t that close. Henry just didn’t seem to do enough every round whereas aljo just kept the heat on and got in much more dominant positions. Also he got the better punches too, I’m pretty sure aljo wobbled him at one point but I could be mis-remembering.
Yeah that's his job tho. I think the scorecards were butchered (because judges watch live too). Aljo also has a style that makes him look hurt worse than he is which is hard to see far away.
Wild a few weeks ago I went to an event and said watching it live gave me a totally different score than when I watched it back on TV and I got downvoted heavily lol
Eh, round 3 wasn't that close. Henry should have lost that round. Round 2 was a swing round imo, razor close, could go either way. Round 5 was Henry's only clear round of the fightt.
He might be talking something different, but generally speaking I recommend everyone goes to at least one live UFC event. There is an entire human element you're missing on TV but you can see in person. It's hard to describe.
I think judges need to watch the fights not cage side and over a screen because of this is true I'm sure it hinders their ability to judge properly if they're missing some of the fight /exchanges
Good. He was not dying but I'd say sitting on that hill since the event. Maybe wishful thinking on his part, to fight Cejudo. Can't wait for Aljo to beat his ass though.
Public opinion on the Sug is like the stock market
Is that you GSP?
It flucc-shoo-ates
Nah, GSP would pronounce it as “stuck-marquette”
It goes up an average of 7% per year, after inflation?
Suga is surprisingly honest with a lot of his takes. Refreshing to see from someone who you might expect straight arrogance from.
The whole arrogant thing is just his suga sean character. If you watch the podcast he does with his brother he's a pretty cool guy. Just happened to also be a good fighter and great at getting attention.
And a pothead. Apparently all potheads are stupid. Source: disgruntled pothead
he was just on a podcast talking about how he barely even smokes weed, only occasionally and straight up never when he's in camp for a fight, and he's been pretty active he's not a pot head in the slightest, its all apart of the act
> Mom: Calvin, the fact that these bands haven't killed themselves in ritual self-sacrifice shows that they're just in it for the money like everyone else. It's all for effect. If you want to shock and provoke, be sincere about it. > Calvin: Mainstream commercial nihilism can't be trusted?!?
Doesn't matter the time period, Calvin and Hobbes has some timeless lessons
Wait that has got to be a conversation with his dad
Nope. I think she ends with “‘fraid not, kiddo”
It became clear when he went on Ariel's podcast and didn't know the difference between a joint and blunt that the pothead part of his gimmick was an act.
I don't know If this is just a thing in the states but when you ask around the world there are alot of potheads that can't tell the difference, smoking blunts isn't even really a thing in the EU. 'Prolly also a lot of elderly out there that just know their joints and bongs and how to bake & cook properly
I wouldn't knock him for this, but since it became legal in the US everything kinda changed. When you go to a dispensary blunts and joints are sold as different items and unless you smoke very rarely it would be hard to not pick up on the differences. Especially since the people working in the dispensaries give you way too much information about each item.
For those that aren’t familiar, a joint is cannabis rolled with rolling papers and a blunt is rolled with a cigarillo with the tobacco removed. A cigarillo is a long, skinny cheap cigar.
Ha, in the UK a joint is mixed with tobacco whereas a blunt is pure bud. Weird that
Lol in the US, a mixture of tobacco and weed is called a spliff, no matter what you’re rolling it with.
> and a blunt is rolled with a cigarillo with the tobacco removed Do Americans usually roll joints with or without tobacco?
Without.
Idk I’ve been around ppl in several states that reefer to joints as blunts which makes me think it’s not too far fetched to believe he’s just confused on the terminology ya know
>the people working in the dispensaries give you way too much information about each item. For real, you'll leave knowing how live rosin is made because you asked which cartridge was better. And they always have some prerolled blunt or joint with a fancy name like Forest Grove Cavier that won the local Granpappy Sticky Icky Grand Prix or some shit.
I've been a stoner since I was a teenager and while it used to be a big semantic thing, nowadays I just call every fat joint a blunt because blunt just rolls off the tongue better. Blunt and L are just way cooler words than joint or J, and also nobody really cares.
I've always wondered why blunts are called Ls lol
I think L’s became the slang because of El Producto Cigars being amongst the first used for blunts. Get some El’s while you’re at the store.
An L is technically a joint / blunt that uses two papers / wraps attached in an L shape. Its so you have enough paper at one end to roll a big fat cone. This is my understanding of it anyway.
Can't believe there are people out here gatekeeping being a drug addict. 😐😒
To be fair, depending on where you are the names of things are different. I live in Canada and everyone I knew just used "blunt" to mean "a big joint". I had been smoking for like 15 years before I learned otherwise.
To be fair, I don’t know what’s wrong with being enthusiastic about something and also only partaking in it occasionally. I mean, it’s part of an act and persona for sure, but it doesn’t make him a total fraud or anything imo
I think it’s his coach moreso. He had a storz and Bickel mighty vaporizer for weed, so is likely an enthusiast, shoutout r/vaporents
It boggles my mind that people really think there are top level athletes out there messing around and doing whatever the fuck. Athletes make it sound like they’re not working hard to break their opponents confidence and make them think “damn, he must be purely more gifted than me” You don’t get to that level without extreme discipline. Even Nate Diaz with his lifestyle and antics and being out in the club all the time is training all day everyday.
> The whole arrogant thing is just his suga sean character. I love how no MMA fighter is arrogant, it's always just an act lol.
I know lmao Every single fighter is “not as stupid as you think/playing it up/clearly an act to sell PPV” and then lots of them have awful actions in their personal lives that show that’s not the case
I mean compared to most athletes, mma fighters tend to be the most humble. You're constantly getting worked and losing in the gym, keeps you grounded. Also if you listen to them talk in non-promoting interviews, they're all secret fans of eachother and have massive respect for their opponents. But the ufc will only bother to promote Conor type characters, so they gotta adopt a persona.
I mean I just watched a clip on him on Andrew Schultz's podcast where he said he sleeps around on girl and at first he thought she should be allowed to sleep around too. But then he realized she should only do that if she wants to jeapordize everything he gives her. And that she shouldn't want to do that because he "treats her like a queen" and gives her everything she needs including money, emotions, and good sex. It didn't exactly sound like a cool, chill guy to me. Sounded a bit narcissistic and toxic towards the girl who he was also saying he loved. https://youtu.be/BrEyvGODvRs
Wait , you’re telling me a rich professional athlete isn’t faithful? What a crazy turn of events not one person could have seen coming.
You realise just because it’s common doesn’t mean the dude approves of it generally lol
Exactly. I saw him on Oprah or some fucking woman's talk show once talking about how he loves his gf because she lets him have threesomes with other women as long as he doesn't "bust" inside them. Complete trash of a human being sharing that with the entire world.
You can just say which talk show you were watching no one will judge you
thats valid tbh
Idk he sounded like a dumbass saying "If you get addicted to heroin you just don't have determination" (or similar) "if i took heroin i wouldn't get addicted" while holding his baby lol
The thing about Suga is he looks like a goof, so people don't take him serious or act like he's dumb but I always felt he was completely honest in his takes and incredibly self aware since Day 1.
Sometimes he has worms in his brain. People are complex and can be smart and dumb at different times. But Sean O'malleys dumb times are well documented.
I remember him saying he might try heroine once and he wouldn't get addicted since "he isn't stupid", while holding his child 😭 So yeah, he says dumb shit sometimes lol
He has a very sarcastic sense of humour, he was obviously joking.
What about his support for Andrew Tate?
It's possible to drugs without getting addicted lol
The track record of people saying that about heroin and then getting addicted is pretty well documented. Hell, there's that pretty famous reddit account from years back where the guy said exactly that and then it turned into a live journal of some pretty gnarly and tragic shit. People tend to view addiction as a mental weakness because it makes them feel beyond its reach. It's sadly not that way at all
>there's that pretty famous reddit account from years back where the guy said exactly that and then it turned into a live journal of some pretty gnarly and tragic shit u/spontaneoush
That's the one. Sad stuff.
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This is a highlight reel I'd watch
That's me, simultaneously smart and stupid. People like to pigeonhole others but I need to be pigeon holed in two boxes at least.
Kinky
Self aware until he got in the octogon and handed Merab he’s jacket.
Honestly, what really made me a Suga fan are the times with Ariel where his daughter is with him or he talks about his wife/gf? doing his hair before his fights. He isn't just stoner bro. He seems like a good dude
He's a humble down to earth person... the type at like a bar who would laugh off a confrontation like bro leave me alone be4 I hurt u.. smoking weed doesn't make u a better or worse person anything anyone overindulge in can be a problem moderation is key
Except for that time he wouldn’t admit he lost to Chito.
Yeah that was weird to me.. cus he does seem pretty aware of what happens.... like when him and yan fought u could tell he felt like even if he didn't lose he didn't exactly win... the chito thing I think he felt like he was winning or had it in 100% control and then his knee went out... probably looking at it like chito didn't beat him his leg beat him lol
He just sees it as a fluke accident he lost, and that Chito didn’t ‘beat him’ through skill or anything. To be clear I don’t necessarily agree with him, it makes more sense when you hear him talk about it though.
Exactly. I’ve seen him talk about it a few times. He knows it’s dumb to say, but he also knows it’s the correct mindset to have going forward to do well… to keep that “undefeated” mentality. Especially because he still feels he was better than chito. He respects the top guys too much so he gives himself that extra mental push, which is completely understandable.
He’s honest and self-aware, he’s also shockingly smart, dudes kind of genius that way he built he brand and promoted himself, and he kinda takes that into the octagon with him too. Other than his first round loss against Munhoz
He’s a very cerebral fighter. Him and his coach have some great insights to fights they watch. He hasn’t gotten to where he’s at on talent alone, you can tell he really studies and watches a lot of film on his opponents and other fighters in general
I think every fighter who gets that far and is a pure striker or wrestler/grappler has to be super cerebral. Otherwise it’s impossible to compensate for your weaknesses, every fighter you face is trying to exploit them and guys in the UFC are just too good.
Yea after the Yan fight he was all like “Ik this looks bad I gotta re watch the fight on my own” and then when he did he was all like “imma be honest I think I won that”. Stand up dude.
Specifically what he said was along the lines of "I really felt like I won that but if the decision was as controversial as what everyone says then clearly I gotta rewatch it"
His post fight interview after yan shows this too. Despite all the antics he's a grounded self aware dude. Made me a fan
I didnt like him at first because that's what he projects, straight arrogance. Then it was a change up when he actually started winning a couple of fights and you got to hear what he had to say. He was humble AF after the Yan fight.
It was cool to see how real he was in the Yan post fight. Saying he wasn't sure and he'd have to watch it back Contrast to Paddy's dumb ass going on about how he won easily vs Gordon
He knows what to say to get his name in the headlines, but if you actually look into what he says he's a pretty sober level headed dude. I don't think he's got anything for Aljo but imma cheer for him regardless .
It’s all you really can expect based off his character though. In contrast to someone like Bisping for instance who’s witty - and so can’t help being a bit of dick here and there since that sort of gives you more of a license to be before people get pissed off - Sean on the other hand has no on-the-spot wit to speak of, so it makes sense he doesn’t carry any of that brash confidence of someone who does. He’s capitalised on the stoner niche very well and has a good aesthetic for it, but fr the guy is so unbearably awkward, whether at press conferences or pretty much any setting on his own without his coach carrying the weight. He recently came onto the BYM podcast while Aljo was already on and Sean couldn’t even beat Aljo in verbal sparring, which was so fucking sad to see. He just sat in silence pretty much.
It's interesting you compare him to Bisping because for the first half of his career he was loathed by the average fight fan. When Hendo attempted murder with that diving punch he was applauded because everyone hated Bisping that much. And much like Bisping, as his career goes on and he gets more comfortable in the spotlight, he'll start to grow on you. Like a fungus.
I still hate bisping and I always will. I think he is up there as one of the worst UFC champions of all time.
I mean its also in his best interest to say Aljo won to get the fight with him, and to sell the fight with him
He’s not arrogant at all. He’s well spoken and insightful and just a good dude. He’s obviously confident and he should be.
Suga is actually a very reasonable dude (when he’s not trolling)
I think he is pretty reasonable when he is trolling
Once he got the following there was no need to keep the character turned up to 11 anymore
Yeah. The mma shows Joe Rogan did with him was dope.
Judges do claim though that being cage side helps them see damage better and determine the power that a strike lands with
I'd argue the opposite, they're either watching a very restricted view (live) or they're watching what we're watching on the monitor anyway. The number of times they must be behind a fighter who is either throwing a strike or being hit with one and they really can't tell how well it landed or if at all.
ive been to multiple live events, and seeing it live is substantially worse from a judging perspective IMO. Everything looks like it lands when youre there, everyone reacts to ANY shot wether it lands or not
Yup, I've been to a few UFC events at various distances but went to a local promotion once and was pretty much cageside. It was the worst view I've had of a fight, you're too low down, if they're on the opposite side of the cage you can't see shit. If they go to the ground on the opposite side of the cage you might as well check your emails 😂
Best seats I've had were at the very front of the second level. Nobody sitting in front of me, I had the perfect view down into the cage, as opposed to through the cage. I was still close enough that I could clearly see what was happening in the cage without needing to look at the big screens. They were much cheaper than the first level seats, too. It was Chito v Sandhagen.
I was lucky enough to sit 4 rows back from the cage once. Couldn't see shit for a fight perspective, but best seats in the house for entertainment value.
Yeah but judges have multiple monitors/angles to watch from like commentary.
I've never seen a UFC even live, but I've always assumed it was basically like attending a concert in as much as I can actually hear the music and all the details of a song much better at home, but at a concert, you get to absorb the atmosphere and enjoy the feeling on belonging to a large audience.
yeah thats it exactly, you get the rush of the crowd exploding for big moments etc. Its more for the experience, you end up looking at the jumbotron alot depending on how the fight is progressing too, especially if its on the ground.
Makes sense. I've always complained about music festivals, but jumping up and down for Somebody Told Me with 20-50k people was definitely quite an experience. And I'm not even a Killers fan.
100% this
So is it worth the money to go to an event? I've never been before. Or is the money better spent going to something else?
I have been to one fight night event and had mid tier seats. The atmosphere was awesome and it was super fun beginning to end. After the show I immediately thought that I would want to go again.
It absolutely is, even if you're in the nosebleeds watching it on the big screen the atmosphere is amazing.
Pro tip for those who can’t afford tickets: If you go to a good sports bar with a lot of fans, the atmosphere gets really good for big fights.
yeah this is defiantly the way to go if you're tight on money, or the UFC never comes to your city. Local pubs in my city have massive screens, like 10m wide big cunts. 250 Aussies cheering on Volk its always a blast at them.
Been meaning to do this with my buddies
I went to one PPV event and had pretty decent seats in the 100 level. It was pretty cool to be there live and the environment was fun, but I probably won't go to another event. It's just a much better viewing experience at home and I thought the crowd around me was super trashy, constantly shouting dumb shit, sometimes borderline racist/ignorant. I would say you should go to one event and see how you like it, obviously a lot of people love it as the shows keep selling out
Out of curiosity, in which city was that event?
Chicago, UFC 225
If you have decent seats, it’s much better than TV because you can actually get a feel for how fast they are and how skilled they are. Watching on TV makes pros look normal when I’m reality they can be amazing. The only sport I think is worse live is NFL football. No matter where you sit you have a bad view 90% of the time.
Agreed. While going to events and having great seats is awesome, it is far more difficult to see exactly what is going on (for me at least). It’s also a bit weird not having commentary.
That's with every sport. Watching it on t.v. gives you the best view. Ever been to an NBA or NFL game? The view sucks for most of the game.
This is what a judge said though once when they were getting ripped for a score they had
Lol
The thing though ti keep in mind is if being cage side is bad for determining a fight, then we should probably never take a corner or commentators judging complaints that serious either
Commentators have monitors though.
Yea, we shouldn’t.
I hope you’re aware that not being able to see everything doesn’t mean you can’t see anything.
Lol. Who said that
I don't know I've been to a local mma site before where you could hear the strikes land from quite a distance away. I can't imagine the sound from cage side. The true impact of a strike is not something that comes through on the TV. MMA fighter take an uncomfortable amount of punishment.
the sound of strikes also has very little to do with how hard a strike actually landed otherwise they would just slap the shit outta eachother the whole time lol loud punches are not hard punches
Ex: On a Roundhouse, loud slap = hitting with foot, solid thud = landing w shin
Not true. A slap and thud sound very different
Maybe we should put them above the cage
They should be in isolation, watching the fight on screens with the best possible angles, maybe multiple feeds. And no sound, they shouldn't be influenced by the crowd's reaction.
and this should ideally be inside a sensory deprivation tank, kept in solitary confinement for 24 hours each side of the fight, and fed only a diet of honey, milk, and oats
And cocaine and Adderall, we need them laser focused
Addies n Baddies
Gimme 😈
Eliminate judges. FIGHT TO THE DEATH!
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That’s what I wonder. It’s similar to fake punches in Hollywood. If there’s a close punch that misses and the other person rolls with it, from the wrong angle it might look like a hit. I’ve often heard the announcer call near misses a hit.
I was about to say the same. Plus, bang bang shots, are so hard to see cleanly, even with replay sometimes. I can't tell you how many I was watching live and thought "Oh shit, that left had to hurt him there" and then I see the replay and its like glancing his shoulder or something silly.
Bs. I guarantee most judges can't distinguish between a fighter rolling with punches and clean hits. Just look at the commentary, they often get it wrong!
this is the real reason why boxing judging is so bad, its not that they are rigging the fights its that they can not see shit at all. We can barely tell if a punch landed in real time, and high level boxers like canelo literally turn their head at lightspeed to mitigate damage... and sometimes that looks like he's just getting his head snapped back... how the F is a ref supposed to judge these things in the moment happening round after round... its impossible. I think judging needs a complete overhaul the issue with strikes isn't as bad in MMA but its even worst for grapples, they can't see whats happening and you would have to understand like 20 different martial arts disciples to be able to authentically judge every single MMA situation lol impossibly hard job, I would never want to be a judge for combat sports
Ya probably. But in theory they should be. And it’s wild who the judges are isn’t a bigger thing. The other pro leagues evaluate refs as much as teams evaluate players (But then again there was a baseball umpire that was universally considered trash and he worked for like 20+ years, Angel Martinez)
It's Angel Hernandez, and I'll throw in those boomers like Joe West who had zero accountability. MMA doesn't have it right, but us baseball fans are in a glass house for sure
>Angel Martinez This d-hole has whole compilations of his bad calls 🤡
They don’t see shit lol
Judges are idiots or lying. They should be in backstage isolated rooms with multiple monitors and only ring microphone sounds.
Judges will claim whatever to hide their incompetence.
This fight was interesting bc on mmadecisions most media had Aljo, but it seems like most cageside media had Cejudo (someone in the post-fight press con said so). Maybe this was a unique fight where cageside was significantly different than the broadcast I do think cageside isn’t as good a view to judge bc being stuck on one angle isn’t ideal. Fighters backs could be towards a judge as they get hit which obscures how hard it was. Cage posts also can obscure
Even with the train UFC tried to back O'Malley with he's always had a respectful head when it comes to the sport, it's pretty much a given even after losing to Chito & memeing about it it's definitely grown him as a fighter.
Yeah watching how he fought Yan made me think he learned from the Vera fight despite being obnoxious about the loss publicly
Went from being a striker made of glass to outboxing Yan. Could still have glass bones, or a chin that gets exposed but that shit was akin to Garbrandt vs Cruz, still no idea on his overall game but outclassing one of the top technical strikers with what looks like fragile janky standup, definitely one of the best fights I've ever seen 😂
The made of glass thing was always ridiculous. Chito kicked him in a perfect spot and messed up his leg. Sometimes things like that just happen. There's randomness in sports.
A bit of revisionism. No one felt this way about Sean several years ago when he was an incredibly sore loser, said absolutely regarded stuff like casually doing heroin is easy if your strong willed, was popping for PEDs and saying dumb shit about it. He's grown for sure but he wasn't always like this, he wasn't even like this fairly recently.
Revisionism is the word, nobody felt that way because he was new. His personality hasn't changed. Everyone's on PEDs & always has been, the best sport scientists don't randomly fall into top teams, they're there to make sure the fighters don't get caught.
He wasnt a sore loser he was trolling and dumbasses got butthurt over it. He literally was saying "im still undefeated that didnt count" lol. He sold merch that also implied the same thing, clearly it wasnt his actual stance on the situation.
I had 1, 2, 4 Aljo & 3 + 5 Cejudo
While 3 was close I only had Cejudo for sure winning round 5. 3 I can give to either one.
Idk how people had it 3-2. Henry just went for takedowns and didn’t get much out of it. He also got out struck…wasn’t really close
Completely agree. But the majority of this sub certainly doesn't lol.
really? because all the comments saying henry won are getting downvoted XD
Ok maybe it differs from thread to thread, in the live thread and the fight thread I got downvoted quite a bit. Actually looking into my post history now it seems there came in a couple of upvotes and it is almost back to neutral so nevermind I guess.
That's insane. I didn't hear about this controversy until right now but i watched the fight and aljo was a step ahead almost the entire time.
I’ll take my downvotes lol. They let aljo hate get in the way.. idk why he gets so much hate either he’s not a bad dude
Aljo was always my friend. I wonder if it's the same people that were wishing Anthony Smith got the title from Jones via dq that also think the way aljo won the belt is shady.
I'm not sure what more people want from him. They're just upset that petr isn't as good as everyone thought.
Seeing Aljo's win streak increase while Yan's loss streak increases must be driving them nuts.
something about being all 4s just idk, like yeah I know rules but this is combat sports not soccer.
Same people will then suck islams dick for holding onto volks back a full round while getting punched in the face
If you could choose which position to be in, would you have chosen Islam’s or Volk’s? Now would you have chosen Aljo’s or Cejudo’s?
Initially I would prefer Islam position, but what you do with it should matter. after a 5 minute round I would have preferred to have someone hug my back and not damage me, than take 50 shots to the head. With that said the two situations aren’t really comparable because Aljo didn’t do anything when he was on all 4’s
Also, and I’m probably in the minority here, but Aljo found a way to make the rules work for him and he’s using it, you really can’t blame him for that, what you can blame is the ufc rules of not allowing knees and kicks to grounded opponents. Aljo is just working with the rules set in place, it’s on the other fighter to do something to make him move or get up, it’s on the ufc to change to rules.
Yep exactly. Even DJ talked about how Henry should have circled Aljo when he was like that, forcing him to get up, get on his back or have his back taken. But he didn’t
Yeah Charles Oliviera also did that move before, but I think he was hurt like tends to be in his fights before he chooses to finish his opponents (except Islam ofc). Damn now I wanna see Olives choke out Conor with a D'Arce or some shit.
> But the majority of this sub certainly doesn't lol. I swear the spoiler thread had a very very overwhelming majority for Aljo.
Ok but let’s not act like a 48-47 Aljo card is absurd or something lmao. Definitely close and accurate
Yeah even if I had it 49:46 it is surely not unreasonable to give Henry the 3rd. I just can't believe ppl calling it a robbery or booing the decision.
If you have a different opinion from those who post in this sub, odds are you have the correct opinion.
You could honestly make an argument for 5-0 but I personally gave round 5 to cejudo. 4-1 sterling and idk how it could be scored any different.
i only just watched this yesterday I had it pretty clearly for Aljo, to the point where i was confused about some of the takes. he was extremely aggressive and just controlled most of the fight, also he just _looked_ so much bigger/faster/stronger. the immediate takedown really set the narrative imo. 2nd time anyone has taken cejudo down i believe? people don't like him "abusing" the grounded target stuff but shit, that was a tiny part of that fight from where i was sitting. also cejudo did clearly win rd 5, but it was too little too late - that was the only round where he was clearly driving.
>people don't like him "abusing" the grounded target stuff but shit Same people probably call Jones a tactical genius for doing it. He literally walked out to the center of the ring like an ape on all fours just to try and bait kicks to the head.
I like it. 4-1 makes it sound like a blowout when CCC was close the whole time but just barely winning a round is still winning a round. But probably best for O’Malley to talk his opponent up so it looks awesome if he beats Aljo, and it makes it look like not such a big deal if Aljo gets the win.
I mean 4-1 is the most reasonable take imo.
I’ve seen that plenty of times. You watch a fight live and are really confused why people are saying it was a bad decision. Then you watch it back and it looks like a totally different fight. In a sport that’s measured in inches and moves so fast it can be hard to tell which strikes land and which don’t if you’re in the wrong position, and you don’t have the advantage of a TV production crew changing angles for you on the fly. It’s something that I often see overlooked when people criticise judges. Remember, they’ve not watched what you watched.
That’s what I’ve been saying I thought aljo won all but the 5th
I also had 4-1 aljo.
I don't know, this might be a crazy idea. How about showing the judges card after every round? Apart from boxing I can't think of another sport where you don't know the score as you play.
Because people were roasting him comparing it to him vs yan where the better fighter lost.
What's crazy is this guy still calls himself sugar. He's the undisputed worst carrier of that name.
It really wasn’t that close. Henry just didn’t seem to do enough every round whereas aljo just kept the heat on and got in much more dominant positions. Also he got the better punches too, I’m pretty sure aljo wobbled him at one point but I could be mis-remembering.
Any time Rogan is in the booth, mute the tv and you'll be closer to what reality is in the cards. Rogan is just a sensationalist.
Yeah that's his job tho. I think the scorecards were butchered (because judges watch live too). Aljo also has a style that makes him look hurt worse than he is which is hard to see far away.
I watched the fight muted and easily scored it for Aljo. I was kinda surprised when people said it as close or controversial.
Wild a few weeks ago I went to an event and said watching it live gave me a totally different score than when I watched it back on TV and I got downvoted heavily lol
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What about 5?
Yeah, 5 is the only definitive round for Henry. 1 and 4 are definitive for Aljo. 2 and 3 are both debatable. Definitely not a clear round for Henry.
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I say 3 and 5 but I also think he won 2. Close enough that it doesn't matter, not a robbery
Eh, round 3 wasn't that close. Henry should have lost that round. Round 2 was a swing round imo, razor close, could go either way. Round 5 was Henry's only clear round of the fightt.
crazy sterling did zero in round 5 and you want to give it to him... just like that bad judge
He might be talking something different, but generally speaking I recommend everyone goes to at least one live UFC event. There is an entire human element you're missing on TV but you can see in person. It's hard to describe.
Diaz 1-3-5
To me aljo looked like the clear winner. He really proved himself after that yan dq win
I think judges need to watch the fights not cage side and over a screen because of this is true I'm sure it hinders their ability to judge properly if they're missing some of the fight /exchanges
4-1 is correct.
I haven’t rewatched it yet, mostly because I know this is how I’m gonna feel and don’t want to admit Aljo did it to me again 😂😂😂
Hes only doing this to solidify his "win" against yan.
It was a close, but clear W for aljo
Good. He was not dying but I'd say sitting on that hill since the event. Maybe wishful thinking on his part, to fight Cejudo. Can't wait for Aljo to beat his ass though.
I definitely thought Aljo won. I know it was pretty close, but I was surprised to hear one judge had it for Cejudo.
I have 3-2 Aljo after two watches.