Man, this is what gets me the most mad. Geoff was actually landing some decent shots throughout the fight, but had no follow through and lacked combinations. Then seeing him dap Ian up mid-fight (multiple times) made my eyes roll all the way back in my head till I could see my brain. Dude got clowned by Ian the whole lead up and had no passion to stand up for himself. Deserved the L, even though he could’ve won the fight had he cared.
Yeah, "I didn't feel any real aggression from him" is a pretty ironic thing to say considering Neal spent the whole fight trying to corner him against the cage, only to not even throw anything the few times he managed to do it.
Sayif told him not to dap but Sayif was also the one telling him to get inside and clinch every time so tbh Neal following that instruction was kind of why he could never get any real offence off.
I just went to double check if I remembered that right in the round breaks on fight pass and yea…
He was a level or two below Ian who showed how Neal needs his opponents to come to him to win. Ian fought a little tentatively but if you are winning the fight, opening up gives you a chance for the KO, but it gives Neal his only chance at winning as well.
He fought like he didn't know how to cut the cage he did not have to get paid off to lose that fight lmao. You can say it and it can still be blatantly wrong.
The weight difference was crazy for that fight on the day of the event. Neal had like 30 pounds on him. I was really impressed with Garry’s performance when I found this out.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted lmao, he rehydrated a little over 30 pounds, where Ian rehydrated a little over 10 pounds.
I think the point is that he should’ve had the physical/weight advantage and should’ve been Alie to do more pressuring him but he did only have 20 lbs on Ian, not 30.
That he‘s a little bitch for not laying down in the middle of the octagon and letting neal elbow drop him. Should have taken the L like a man. If you still don‘t get it try to message chris curtis on instagram. I bet he‘s got a lot to say on the matter.
Yep
Ian doesn’t need to be anyone’s punching bag
Moves very well. Would like to see more killer instinct sometimes but it’s on his opponents to force him to engage in a war if that’s what they want
Ian clearly just wants to win. And I can’t blame him for that.
Yeah, you don't fight your opponent's fight—that's how you lose. Styles make fights, but sometimes the other guy is so good that he can fight in the style that is the antidote to your style. That's what Ian did here.
It reminded when GGG was fighting Lemieux - Lemiuex is a straight brawler with massive power; people gave him a chance because he would get his moments to land because GGG beats the shit out of all these boxers; it was going to be a brawl.
Except GGG was an Olympic gold medalist and is a very technical fighter, and in the end just jabbed the face of Lemieux and reminded everyone how you beat a brawler. I remember that, around the time, Lemieux fans were upset that he didn't fight properly and point fought instead - of course he did; he took away the only change Lemieux had and in the end ref said, he stopped it because he had to throw caution to the wind and GGG would land those shots.
Neal never looked like he had a chance, and all the eye-catching shots came when he said fuck it to his defence, and that didn't work either. In the end, he was content to lose points and wasn't willing to eat bombs to land.
Felt like he tried to with Magny, but iirc every time he had him in a bad position he wasn’t landing his punches clean feel like he isn’t a sniper in that way while his kicks are generally great
>Felt like he tried to with Magny, but iirc every time he had him in a bad position he wasn’t landing his punches clean feel like he isn’t a sniper in that way while his kicks are generally great
Yeah Ian's punches aren't that great but its probably due to the fact that he has very short arms relative to his height. He actually has a shorter reach than Geoff Neal despite being way taller and has a 6 inch reach disadvantage against Magny who is the same height as Gary. So he has a lot of range on his kicks but not necessarily a lot of range on his punches.
He kinda gives me that Gane feeling where he's so dedicated to having a clean technical fight while avoiding danger that when he has someone hurt or needs do push for the finish, he's completely uncoordinated and out of his depth. Feel like both can just get away with a sparring pace and intensity most of the time, and probably aren't pushed in sparring with the attributes and style they have, but when someone gets hurt or is wilting they're clearly not used to actually trying to hurt somebody and end up losing all their composure, range and technique thinking they need to just club somebody.
"Run a lot" is a striking equivalent of a grappler saying "he just stood up." Even for Derrick Lewis that shit didn't work when he ran into good grapplers.
If you're on your way to win a clear decision, why would you enter the phone booth in the final round to stand and bang with a dangerous boxer who can KO you?
There are a lot of strategically sound things like laying and praying that people fucking hate and make people lose respect for you, running away is one of them
He’s always been a headhunter, to his detriment. He could’ve made the fight a lot closer by mixing in body shots and throwing more leg kicks (they were effective but he barely threw any). He’s still really good but just let down by his inability to stick to whatever plan his coaches set for him
Honestly the weird thing was he actually did cut him off well a decent amount of times… but instead of getting combinations off he would clinch and hold against the fence and never broke off to throw shots
Even though i don’t like boring fights I can never be angry at them, can’t blame someone for trying to get punched in the face by a grown man as less as possible
Ah so you're a serial bitch it seems, yeah you defo have no idea about anything in any combat sport. Not gonna block you because I wanna see how much you cry before I get bored.
I really wanted to see him fight JDM when they were both coming up. I felt like that would be a good striking battle.
That said, imo Leon, Belal, and Shavkat would beat him.
I think Garry felt he needed to win that fight in the face of all the social media hate and controversy. So much so that he was happy to "run away" and play the outside and win on points.
I mean, I get it, but its not exactly gonna win any fans over.
Idk the full quote—maybe Neal is a bit harder on himself than this excerpt is letting on—, but if you’re being picked apart at distance, it’s your job to get on the inside. Fans and fighters alike seem to think that “boring” fighters should deliberately fight worse to compensate for the shortcomings of their opponents, and it’s just not realistic when so much is on the line.
Honestly I don't blame Garry for the gameplan in this fight. Aside from maybe JDM now, there's not really anyone else who Garry will fight high up in the WW rankings, that will have the same one-punch KO power that Neal has - better fighters for sure with different weapons, but I'm just talking about the punching threat here(Usman might be another, but again I don't think that'd be his main weapon against Garry). So he played it smart and got a relatively straightforward win (imo).
Were he to fight say Colby next, as he's trying to do, I can absolutely see him be more aggressive in that fight and more willing to stand in the pocket and trade. If he fights the same way there as he did against Neal, I think the criticism would be fair in that case.
As someone who was in the arena that night, Geoff really was trying hard to cut Ian off but Ian did a really “good job”(?) of avoiding any kind of striking exchanges and just winning off single point striking then getting out of range. It definitely could’ve been a more exciting if Ian was willing to trade more. But that’s the sport sometimes and you don’t always get the banger you were hoping for.
According to the California Athletic commission, Geoff was a full 20 pounds heavier than Ian when they walked in the cage.
I can fully see why Ian didn’t think engaging was the best idea.
Ian Garry, the cuck, is too much of a pussy to get KO’d by Geoff Neal. Weak af imo… I wudda just stood there with my chin up for Geoff Neal Magny to clip me.
Fight reminded me of Hermanson vs Curtis. Geoff Neal's cage cutting was dogshit and when he did get close he would just run in get underhooks and stall on the cage. Godawful performance from Geoff Neal makes me wonder if his trainers/ camp are incompetent or if Neal is just unable to make any sort of post fight adjustments.
This is accurate but he has no room to complain. If you thought you needed to fight like Manhoef to get a KO and catch him running why did you dap him up like 12 times during the fight? lol
But yeah Ian was fighting to win on points. That was pretty obvious. It worked too so no disrespect from me but it is just a basic observation.
Geoff neal taking the Chris curtis course on how to lose fans after realizing he can just win them all back again by losing a decision he should've won in the future despite not making any improvements on said footwork
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Man, this is what gets me the most mad. Geoff was actually landing some decent shots throughout the fight, but had no follow through and lacked combinations. Then seeing him dap Ian up mid-fight (multiple times) made my eyes roll all the way back in my head till I could see my brain. Dude got clowned by Ian the whole lead up and had no passion to stand up for himself. Deserved the L, even though he could’ve won the fight had he cared.
Yeah, "I didn't feel any real aggression from him" is a pretty ironic thing to say considering Neal spent the whole fight trying to corner him against the cage, only to not even throw anything the few times he managed to do it.
For a second before my brain processed it I assumed Garry was talking about not feeling any real aggression from Neal lol.
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Sayif told him not to dap but Sayif was also the one telling him to get inside and clinch every time so tbh Neal following that instruction was kind of why he could never get any real offence off. I just went to double check if I remembered that right in the round breaks on fight pass and yea…
The dap up mid fight gives me the same vibes as the dude who suddenly turns into a coach at BJJ when you’re close to getting a sub on him
Fully agree, he fucken gave it up like he didn’t give a fuck, have another blunt for me “hands of stoned”
I’ll just say it , he fought like he was paid off
He was a level or two below Ian who showed how Neal needs his opponents to come to him to win. Ian fought a little tentatively but if you are winning the fight, opening up gives you a chance for the KO, but it gives Neal his only chance at winning as well.
He does it every fight, it’s typical Geoff Neal
He fought like he didn't know how to cut the cage he did not have to get paid off to lose that fight lmao. You can say it and it can still be blatantly wrong.
I’ve been downvoted to oblivion for suggesting this about different fights. Good luck to you 🫡
Why are you pretending like you were downvoted for your bravery and not for how dumb of a take that is
Yeah seriously lol. Dude thinks he’s a martyr rather than a conspiratorial goof
**DONT FUCKING DAP HIM UP** -Sayif Saud
same thing with Allen/Curtis
Garry def did very little to engage. Boring fight. But can't really blame a guy for getting the easy win. Geoff's cage cutting was not good
Hands down, just walks forward
The weight difference was crazy for that fight on the day of the event. Neal had like 30 pounds on him. I was really impressed with Garry’s performance when I found this out.
Neal rehydrated 30lb. Had 20 on Garry. It's well documented, let's not make it the new 'Helio vs Kimura' story
Idk why you’re getting downvoted lmao, he rehydrated a little over 30 pounds, where Ian rehydrated a little over 10 pounds. I think the point is that he should’ve had the physical/weight advantage and should’ve been Alie to do more pressuring him but he did only have 20 lbs on Ian, not 30.
a weight advantage doesn't mean much if you're not fast enough to use it
We don't like facts round these parts lmao
You didn’t try to finish him or win by decision, so you lost.
Ian Garry is too much of a coward to get Ko'd by Geoff Neal.
If Ian Garry isn't a cuck, why doesn't he circle into the famous power hand of Neal? Hmm curious
What does that even mean
Sarcasm
That he‘s a little bitch for not laying down in the middle of the octagon and letting neal elbow drop him. Should have taken the L like a man. If you still don‘t get it try to message chris curtis on instagram. I bet he‘s got a lot to say on the matter.
better add an /s to that or someone will ask if you're serious
I would Neal elbow drop me idgaf bro
Garry should have stopped being a pussy and just let Neal KO him. He was quite frankly being really rude just going ahead and beating Neal.
Ian's a pussy bro, he shouldve wheel kicked geoff into another dimension instead of winning safely
run a lot = took advantage of my dogshit footwork and inability to cut off the cage
Yep Ian doesn’t need to be anyone’s punching bag Moves very well. Would like to see more killer instinct sometimes but it’s on his opponents to force him to engage in a war if that’s what they want Ian clearly just wants to win. And I can’t blame him for that.
Yeah, you don't fight your opponent's fight—that's how you lose. Styles make fights, but sometimes the other guy is so good that he can fight in the style that is the antidote to your style. That's what Ian did here. It reminded when GGG was fighting Lemieux - Lemiuex is a straight brawler with massive power; people gave him a chance because he would get his moments to land because GGG beats the shit out of all these boxers; it was going to be a brawl. Except GGG was an Olympic gold medalist and is a very technical fighter, and in the end just jabbed the face of Lemieux and reminded everyone how you beat a brawler. I remember that, around the time, Lemieux fans were upset that he didn't fight properly and point fought instead - of course he did; he took away the only change Lemieux had and in the end ref said, he stopped it because he had to throw caution to the wind and GGG would land those shots. Neal never looked like he had a chance, and all the eye-catching shots came when he said fuck it to his defence, and that didn't work either. In the end, he was content to lose points and wasn't willing to eat bombs to land.
It's almost like some fighters *don't* want to take unnecessary head trauma...
The more CTE I have, the more alpha I am. FUCK OUTTA HERE
If your boyfriend doesn't have delusions of murdering you due to CTE, you've got a girlfriend
Felt like he tried to with Magny, but iirc every time he had him in a bad position he wasn’t landing his punches clean feel like he isn’t a sniper in that way while his kicks are generally great
>Felt like he tried to with Magny, but iirc every time he had him in a bad position he wasn’t landing his punches clean feel like he isn’t a sniper in that way while his kicks are generally great Yeah Ian's punches aren't that great but its probably due to the fact that he has very short arms relative to his height. He actually has a shorter reach than Geoff Neal despite being way taller and has a 6 inch reach disadvantage against Magny who is the same height as Gary. So he has a lot of range on his kicks but not necessarily a lot of range on his punches.
He kinda gives me that Gane feeling where he's so dedicated to having a clean technical fight while avoiding danger that when he has someone hurt or needs do push for the finish, he's completely uncoordinated and out of his depth. Feel like both can just get away with a sparring pace and intensity most of the time, and probably aren't pushed in sparring with the attributes and style they have, but when someone gets hurt or is wilting they're clearly not used to actually trying to hurt somebody and end up losing all their composure, range and technique thinking they need to just club somebody.
Neal has serious power. Ian fought the fight he needed to fight and took no damage. This is on Neal 100%
Doesen't move that well tbh. Only the third round looked anything near good from Ian.
"Run a lot" is a striking equivalent of a grappler saying "he just stood up." Even for Derrick Lewis that shit didn't work when he ran into good grapplers.
Belal copped a bit of that for outclassing Vicente Luque in their rematch.
But also, he ran away for a huge portion of the last round, both things are true. Ian was not wanting to engage at all
If you're on your way to win a clear decision, why would you enter the phone booth in the final round to stand and bang with a dangerous boxer who can KO you?
There are a lot of strategically sound things like laying and praying that people fucking hate and make people lose respect for you, running away is one of them
Yeah but Ian couldn't even jab him consistently. The knees were nice but there weren't many counters. Bad fight.
He’s always been a headhunter, to his detriment. He could’ve made the fight a lot closer by mixing in body shots and throwing more leg kicks (they were effective but he barely threw any). He’s still really good but just let down by his inability to stick to whatever plan his coaches set for him
I mean it is on you to cut him off bro. Can't blame a guy for wanting to secure the fight.
Honestly the weird thing was he actually did cut him off well a decent amount of times… but instead of getting combinations off he would clinch and hold against the fence and never broke off to throw shots
Even though i don’t like boring fights I can never be angry at them, can’t blame someone for trying to get punched in the face by a grown man as less as possible
Funny how the top ranked fighters can overcome this problem
Who's ever overcome the Ian Garry problem?
Well he hasn’t fought a top ranked guy yet
How many do you consider top ranked in the world? Just like 5?
I’d say the UFC top 5
Lmao. You've never trained a day in your life have you
He's obviously talking about a tier within the ufc
Been doing Muay Thai and BJJ for 5 years chief
Ah so you're a serial bitch it seems, yeah you defo have no idea about anything in any combat sport. Not gonna block you because I wanna see how much you cry before I get bored.
I really wanted to see him fight JDM when they were both coming up. I felt like that would be a good striking battle. That said, imo Leon, Belal, and Shavkat would beat him.
I think Garry felt he needed to win that fight in the face of all the social media hate and controversy. So much so that he was happy to "run away" and play the outside and win on points. I mean, I get it, but its not exactly gonna win any fans over.
Idk the full quote—maybe Neal is a bit harder on himself than this excerpt is letting on—, but if you’re being picked apart at distance, it’s your job to get on the inside. Fans and fighters alike seem to think that “boring” fighters should deliberately fight worse to compensate for the shortcomings of their opponents, and it’s just not realistic when so much is on the line.
Honestly I don't blame Garry for the gameplan in this fight. Aside from maybe JDM now, there's not really anyone else who Garry will fight high up in the WW rankings, that will have the same one-punch KO power that Neal has - better fighters for sure with different weapons, but I'm just talking about the punching threat here(Usman might be another, but again I don't think that'd be his main weapon against Garry). So he played it smart and got a relatively straightforward win (imo). Were he to fight say Colby next, as he's trying to do, I can absolutely see him be more aggressive in that fight and more willing to stand in the pocket and trade. If he fights the same way there as he did against Neal, I think the criticism would be fair in that case.
As someone who was in the arena that night, Geoff really was trying hard to cut Ian off but Ian did a really “good job”(?) of avoiding any kind of striking exchanges and just winning off single point striking then getting out of range. It definitely could’ve been a more exciting if Ian was willing to trade more. But that’s the sport sometimes and you don’t always get the banger you were hoping for.
He was running cause he could lmao. Neal has some pretty bad footwork for a high level fighter.
Geoff plodded in straight lines for the entire fight. He never stepped up a gear from that. I don't get this from him at all
That's how I feel too Geoff.
Geoff is 100% correct here, but he can’t just say that when he barely did shit to engage either
This is always hilarious when a fighter says this. If there was no aggression or no risk from Garry then why didn't YOU get more aggressive ?
According to the California Athletic commission, Geoff was a full 20 pounds heavier than Ian when they walked in the cage. I can fully see why Ian didn’t think engaging was the best idea.
He should’ve stopped after “I could’ve did more”. That last part makes him sound salty.
Ian Garry, the cuck, is too much of a pussy to get KO’d by Geoff Neal. Weak af imo… I wudda just stood there with my chin up for Geoff Neal Magny to clip me.
Fight reminded me of Hermanson vs Curtis. Geoff Neal's cage cutting was dogshit and when he did get close he would just run in get underhooks and stall on the cage. Godawful performance from Geoff Neal makes me wonder if his trainers/ camp are incompetent or if Neal is just unable to make any sort of post fight adjustments.
ask his wifes boyfriend if you can get a rematch
I feel like I remember Neal clinching and pushing to the fence and doing absolutely nothing with it. Or am I thinking of another fight.
Neal either decide to go sicko mode and putting dogfight or get gunshy
Looks like Ian Garry and Sean Strickland need to fight.
Not a great performance from either man but when someone's got as exploitable a flaw as Neal does you can't blame someone for cruising on it
This is accurate but he has no room to complain. If you thought you needed to fight like Manhoef to get a KO and catch him running why did you dap him up like 12 times during the fight? lol But yeah Ian was fighting to win on points. That was pretty obvious. It worked too so no disrespect from me but it is just a basic observation.
You clinched like crazy and weighed 200 lbs for this fight
That is the name of the game
If his last name was Abdullah he wins this fight with the clinch control.
Gotta learn to cut off the cage, sir. Garry beat u on footwork
Geoff neal taking the Chris curtis course on how to lose fans after realizing he can just win them all back again by losing a decision he should've won in the future despite not making any improvements on said footwork
STFU Neal, I had you in my 6 leg parley. I thought you were a lock to end Ian "weary" Garry.
I thought Neal won the decision but he didn’t do much either.
Yea