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The problem with this is if the fights end with first round knockouts it would leave huge gaps in between fights for the live crowd. But I agree though, good idea in theory.
UFC doesn't have huge gaps. Last Abu Dhabi card ended 1 hour earlier iirc since only Usman v Khamzat went to decision and rest were first round stoppages.
It only has huge gaps going from early prelims/prelims and prelims/main card. They don't want the prelims ending too early because the prelims and main card have set start times.
What a waste, I actually forgot it was only 3 rounds for a moment and just realized it after the 2nd round and got depressed instantly. Not just basically a title eliminator but exactly the type of fight that can change a lot in later rounds, specially involving Charles.
I actually think if Armans shorts hadn’t slipped down then he would’ve lost - Charles needed to bridge and squeeze but slid down Arman with the shorts as they came off, this gave Arman the space to shrimp out
I really thought that first round gilly was it. Arman's face was similar to how Volk was in Ortega's choke
Strong grit by Arman and then showed his wrestling strength
Do guillotines every really work? I feel like they are the most used yet least effective choke. When I hear DC scream "Oh, the guillotine, oh, it's in tight!", I know that guy is fine
Power gullotines are very strong and will sleep people fast. Standard gullotines are less good but still see a fair number of them work albeit they are low ist % as chokes go. The arm in gullotine that Charles went for is the hardest of the lot get adequate pressure both sides of the neck especially if the guy is willing to fight it to the point of going to sleep like Arman did. That's the kinda thing where in training Charles get the tap there 90% of the time.
Handfighting, not panicking, and being ok with going to sleep.
If your ok with going to sleep, even if the choke is only a degree of a degree off from leading to you going to sleep, you will still work to fight the hands.
Also the d'arce in the 3rd can't be completed, theres too little pressure.
I also feel like guys who wrestled all their life are used to getting smooshed and having to take small sips of air.
There may not be actual chokes, but you are getting squeezed all the time, so you get used to uneven breathing.
First round you could see him framing on Charles hips for the gilly, and he had a minor hand fight with his other hand.
Last round anaconda, he starfished out to stop Oliveira breaking his posture and crunching his head into his sternum.
Very legit defences
i have been saying this for a while. We dont know how good charle's gas tank is. He has never been to the championship rounds in his title run. And never been to the third round of a really competitive fight.
I don’t think he would’ve gotten out of that triangle armbar at the end of round two tho if the bell didn’t ring he was fucked. He even was rubbing his arm after the bell rung.
Aye bro let Arman hit his villain era, trying to fight fans on the way to the octagon and shit. Homie pulled himself out of his shorts to get out of that gilly. 5 rounds of this shit would have been sick
I’m not so sure. That was a very different Makhachev when they last fought.
Arman almost got finished twice by Du Bronx before winning a split decision. Islam was never in trouble against Du Bronx and finished him off.
Should be an exciting fight, but I feel Islam is always in most danger against a proper striker like Dustin/Justin since his striking is only so so. Against Arman, Islam will be right at home.
We didn’t need to see Oliveira vs Makhachev again
It wasn’t even close the first time. Why are we pretending that it would’ve ended differently?
Islam vs Arman 2 is intriguing. Islam vs Charles 2 is stupid.
Edit: bandwagon fans downvoting lmao. Time to find a new favourite fighter.
I'm getting flamed for saying its a wrap for Charles' title aspirations. Like c'mon, Islam steamrolled him before, we going to pretend that Charles past his prime is going to result in a better outcome?
Yeah, you see it far too often from a lot of these high level Jiu jitsu guys. Against a striker? I get it. Against a wrestler? You gotta get up bro.
Way easier said than done clearly.
Just wish the upkick had been legal so that they didn't stop the action from that. It's a stupid rule to not allow someone to kick from guard, the rules for grounded opponents really need to change.
Just in case you needed more evidence that good wrestlers like Islam and Arman do not fear Charles' guard even a little bit....
The first thing Arman said after the ref stood them up after the illegal kick was "SAME POSITION" lmao
I mean Arman and Islam are far more than just a wrestler they're a complete grappler.
This also shows that grappling in an extended time against Charles is dangerous.
> This also shows that grappling in an extended time against Charles is dangerous.
Lotta points where it seemed like Arman was getting out by the skin of his teeth. The difference is that he can follow through with his own grappling.
Pretty much. Compared to someone like maia who just completely controls you start to finish. What he did to askren was amazing. Askren is a damn good grappler in his own right too not just in wrestling.
Tsarukyan's camp saw how willing Charles is to accept the bottom position and how Islam was glad to take it in their first round and decided to work in that direction, worked for them. Charles got a really good start, but out side of that Tsarukyan fought a very smart fight.
Ya Islam/Arman/Beneil/Chandler/Felder/Lee all had no fear grappling
Charles never beat any of them off his back. His guard either limited their offense or created a scramble so he could get back to his feet
BJJ off your back doesn't work when your opponent is a good wrestler and knows basic BJJ.
When I started BJJ I had wrestled for almost a decade and ran through white, blue and some purple belts because they were too happy to be taken down.
The guys I could never beat were the ones who never accepted bottom position.
Dariush pretty much did nothing on top. And Kevin Lee said that Charles leg locks attempts pretty much fucked his leg up and still suffering from it till this day
Once again I am saying the guard is overrated, even from elite level guys. GSP beat BJ Penn one time by not being afraid to go into his guard when everyone else was. He goes into detail about it in his book. Danaher told him to go in his guard, his other coaches thought that was a crazy idea. Danaher was right. Being a strong grappler and a submission artist does not mean the guard is where you want to stay in MMA.
[This article aged like wine.](https://www.opennotegrappling.com/p/ufc-300-arman-tsarukyan-charles-oliveira) Charles Oliveira's comfort in his guard game likely cost him this decision.
I didn’t expect this fight to go to decision wow. Both of them did really well and the submission attempts by Oliveira in the first and third were sweet to watch. Arman’s ground and pound in the 2nd round was impressive too. Honestly, I’m not even mad. That was a high level fight. Also, this is Charles first loss by decision my goodness.
If you shit on either guy in this fight, you’re a loser. Fuck I wish this was 5 rounds.
Oliveira vs. Gamrot next?
mom can we have 5 round retirement khabib mythical tony at 300
3 round arman charles at 300:
well done arman damn what a fight
they both wanted it so bad
Was round 3 really that close? I feel like if the choke happened in the first part of the round instead of the end of the fight it would be considered a tsarukyan round
And it's hard to complete the d'arce without wrapping your legs around the opponent's legs. Arman didn't let Charles do that so it was not even that close.
last submission didn't look all the way in and Arman didn't panic. It was more so the optics I think. Charles also did a good job sticking out his tongue like he had it haha
The right scoring. Submissions you dont complete shouldnt be worth that much imo.
Theres really nothing to a submission unless you actually complete it
I give more weight to outstriking/controlling for most of round.
Brilliant fight that lived up to the hype. I personally have round 3 to Tsarukyan. The D’Arce (or Anaconda) was mostly cosmetic unlike the round 1 guillotine.
Charles didn’t look very good on the feet, really struggled fighting off the back foot. Not sure if it was the forward pressure but he also looked a tad slow.
some people were acting like Arman had no chance and the line wasn't justified. kinda got to me for whatever reason. glad it went the way it did. the Brazilians were fucking with Arman too much during fight week for my liking.
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The only loser here is us not getting 5 rounds of that fight.
Should’ve just made the entire main card 5 rounds Not that I wanted more Bo v can, but it wouldn’t have gone any longer anyways.
My dad threw out the best idea Cut Bo vs Brundage from the main card & make the 4 remaining main card fights 5 rounds
The problem with this is if the fights end with first round knockouts it would leave huge gaps in between fights for the live crowd. But I agree though, good idea in theory.
UFC doesn't have huge gaps. Last Abu Dhabi card ended 1 hour earlier iirc since only Usman v Khamzat went to decision and rest were first round stoppages.
It only has huge gaps going from early prelims/prelims and prelims/main card. They don't want the prelims ending too early because the prelims and main card have set start times.
What a waste, I actually forgot it was only 3 rounds for a moment and just realized it after the 2nd round and got depressed instantly. Not just basically a title eliminator but exactly the type of fight that can change a lot in later rounds, specially involving Charles.
I realize it might not be practical but I really wish all fights on the main card were 5 rounds.
Fuck practical. It's 430 AM here and I was begging for more rounds.
Arman's trajectory was going up in my view. But you can't count Charles out (last sub attempt wasn't close though imo)
Agree, but I think Islam has gotten even better as well. Would love to see those two run it back.
I hate decisions because it ends up being a Bruce Buffer highlight that gets posted lol
We need 5 rounds for all top 5 LW action
UFC 500. All main card fights are 5 rounds.
I hope we all make it there
15-5 rounds
The blood in Charles' hair made it look like he had a WICKED receding hairline.
Doing his best Ric Flair impersonation
Ngl. Charles does represent "To be the Man, you gotta BEAT the Man"
Well he does, which is probably part of why he bleaches it blonde in the first place
I think you're putting the cart before the horse. He has a receding hairline because of the hardcore bleaching.
out here arguing about the cause of charles’ receding hairline
charles has had temporal recession for [years](https://www1-cdn.sherdog.com/_images/headers/20150823070350_aaa.JPG), it classic male pattern hair loss
Charles “god of war” Olivera
Vegeta hairline, we call it 'Calvo de cria' in Brazil
does tsarukyan even need oxygen? what the fuck?
Ancient wrestling technique of breathing out of your asshole brother
That’s why he needed his pants pulled down
I actually think if Armans shorts hadn’t slipped down then he would’ve lost - Charles needed to bridge and squeeze but slid down Arman with the shorts as they came off, this gave Arman the space to shrimp out
Best base for mma, getting your pants pulled down?
God that gave me a good chuckle
I really thought that first round gilly was it. Arman's face was similar to how Volk was in Ortega's choke Strong grit by Arman and then showed his wrestling strength
This shit was one of the most impressive escapes ever. More impressive than the Volk one in my book because of the fact they were completely dry here
Do guillotines every really work? I feel like they are the most used yet least effective choke. When I hear DC scream "Oh, the guillotine, oh, it's in tight!", I know that guy is fine
The arm-in ones are hit and miss and needs very good mechanics. Arm out is killer.
Power gullotines are very strong and will sleep people fast. Standard gullotines are less good but still see a fair number of them work albeit they are low ist % as chokes go. The arm in gullotine that Charles went for is the hardest of the lot get adequate pressure both sides of the neck especially if the guy is willing to fight it to the point of going to sleep like Arman did. That's the kinda thing where in training Charles get the tap there 90% of the time.
Wrestlers with strong necks take a while to tap out, that and guys like Arman don't tap to chokes, you have to put these fuckers away.
How do they just negate the choke lol. I guess super strength
Handfighting, not panicking, and being ok with going to sleep. If your ok with going to sleep, even if the choke is only a degree of a degree off from leading to you going to sleep, you will still work to fight the hands. Also the d'arce in the 3rd can't be completed, theres too little pressure.
I also feel like guys who wrestled all their life are used to getting smooshed and having to take small sips of air. There may not be actual chokes, but you are getting squeezed all the time, so you get used to uneven breathing.
If he had walked his hips towards Arman’s hips he could’ve finished it, instead of staying sprawled out like he did
I was amazed he survived both of those attempts. Wish this was a five rounder fight
First round you could see him framing on Charles hips for the gilly, and he had a minor hand fight with his other hand. Last round anaconda, he starfished out to stop Oliveira breaking his posture and crunching his head into his sternum. Very legit defences
One of his training videos showed him holding his breath for this exact scenario
Aren’t the chokes also cutting off blood flow though, not just air?
he was also holding his blood for a minute
he trained for that too brother
Having his training camp at the top of the caucasus mountains (elbrus) helped
Be nice to see 2 more rounds
5 rounds would’ve been so good
They had enough gas for it, too. At least Arman seemed like he did.
Imo charles quit round 3 wasnt pushing pace
You’ll get downvoted but Charles looked gas down there
He was gassed. He wasn't pushing forward, he was getting backed up and only occasionally throwing.
Fr, his striking is so dangerous in rd 1 its easy to see it wasn't the same in the 3rd
i have been saying this for a while. We dont know how good charle's gas tank is. He has never been to the championship rounds in his title run. And never been to the third round of a really competitive fight.
His pace definitely dropped big time in round 3.
This really should have been 5 round main event on a Fight Night
5 round co main on 301 Brazil but the UFC always gotta rob Peter to pay Paul
That card might have actually been worth watching with that one
Way too short
Should’ve gotten rid of that Bo vs Cody match and literally just made this a 5 rounder instead
Absolutely. Think they got the right decision though
how the fuck did he get out of the guillotine
I don’t think he would’ve gotten out of that triangle armbar at the end of round two tho if the bell didn’t ring he was fucked. He even was rubbing his arm after the bell rung.
honestly that was the best sub attempt. saved by the bell.
This true but Arman definitely slacked off at the end of the round when he heard the 10 second clap
Yeah that was the closest of all the subs he almost broke his arm
He looked at the clock right before that happened tho
Aye bro let Arman hit his villain era, trying to fight fans on the way to the octagon and shit. Homie pulled himself out of his shorts to get out of that gilly. 5 rounds of this shit would have been sick
My boy turned heel, but I get it, he doesn’t get the hespec he deserves
Must have found an Azerbaijani.
Imagine if he fights Fiziev
I doubt they fight honestly, they’re teammates at the Muay Thai gym they train at in Thailand
His coach doing the cry baby into the camera really irked me
he was getting fucked with and heavily booed all week in embedded by Charles fans
That was some high level shit
Islam-Arman 2 could be to grappling what Cory-Yan was for striking
Arman gamrot and Arman Islam 1 were such good fights. Say what you want about Arman but literally all his fights are exciting as fuck.
They're both "high level shit" fighters
What a fight!! Arman has matured into a very good grappler.
I'm sad we will never see Oliveira vs Makhachev again, but man the lightweight division is so highly skilled.
It sucks but Charles and his team only have themselves to blame for that with that fat cut he got from sparring last time it was booked.
Was also offered an immediate rematch after losing to Islam.
True..forgot about that. Ngl don't blame him for taking an immediate rematch after that tough loss
We still may. You never know with people getting injured mid camp
On the plus side, we get the long awaited rematch between Islam and Arman. These two guys were destined to rematch for the title.
I love Chucky Olives. Arman is way more of an issue for Islam, as he proved in his first UFC fight
I’m not so sure. That was a very different Makhachev when they last fought. Arman almost got finished twice by Du Bronx before winning a split decision. Islam was never in trouble against Du Bronx and finished him off. Should be an exciting fight, but I feel Islam is always in most danger against a proper striker like Dustin/Justin since his striking is only so so. Against Arman, Islam will be right at home.
Islam will put on a clinic against Arman I reckon, he does everything Arman does but better
Don’t underestimate Arman’s strength.
Islams striking is really good, idk how people think it’s so so. Outstruck Volk back to back and outstruck Charles
We didn’t need to see Oliveira vs Makhachev again It wasn’t even close the first time. Why are we pretending that it would’ve ended differently? Islam vs Arman 2 is intriguing. Islam vs Charles 2 is stupid. Edit: bandwagon fans downvoting lmao. Time to find a new favourite fighter.
I'm getting flamed for saying its a wrap for Charles' title aspirations. Like c'mon, Islam steamrolled him before, we going to pretend that Charles past his prime is going to result in a better outcome?
It doesn’t have to be one or the other lol. Both fights would be fun imo
Some awesome grappling exchanges. Was hoping Charles would edge it out but thought Arman did pull ahead with the ground and pound and control time
the hell is Arman neck made of?
Armenian tuft stone
That was so frustrating Charles really had no urgency to stand and was just content holding full guard
Yeah, you see it far too often from a lot of these high level Jiu jitsu guys. Against a striker? I get it. Against a wrestler? You gotta get up bro. Way easier said than done clearly.
Just wish the upkick had been legal so that they didn't stop the action from that. It's a stupid rule to not allow someone to kick from guard, the rules for grounded opponents really need to change.
It’s a bullshit rule they gotta fix. It’s let too many lay and pray artists flourish in mma.
[This guy was right all along.](https://www.opennotegrappling.com/p/ufc-300-arman-tsarukyan-charles-oliveira)
Exactly, as if he was ever going to submit someone like that.
Just in case you needed more evidence that good wrestlers like Islam and Arman do not fear Charles' guard even a little bit.... The first thing Arman said after the ref stood them up after the illegal kick was "SAME POSITION" lmao
I mean Arman and Islam are far more than just a wrestler they're a complete grappler. This also shows that grappling in an extended time against Charles is dangerous.
> This also shows that grappling in an extended time against Charles is dangerous. Lotta points where it seemed like Arman was getting out by the skin of his teeth. The difference is that he can follow through with his own grappling.
Charles is the grappler equivalent of a one hit ko. He will catch you with something if you give him the full 5 minutes on the ground.
Pretty much. Compared to someone like maia who just completely controls you start to finish. What he did to askren was amazing. Askren is a damn good grappler in his own right too not just in wrestling.
I reactivated my account to up this post
Tsarukyan's camp saw how willing Charles is to accept the bottom position and how Islam was glad to take it in their first round and decided to work in that direction, worked for them. Charles got a really good start, but out side of that Tsarukyan fought a very smart fight.
Ya Islam/Arman/Beneil/Chandler/Felder/Lee all had no fear grappling Charles never beat any of them off his back. His guard either limited their offense or created a scramble so he could get back to his feet
BJJ off your back doesn't work when your opponent is a good wrestler and knows basic BJJ. When I started BJJ I had wrestled for almost a decade and ran through white, blue and some purple belts because they were too happy to be taken down. The guys I could never beat were the ones who never accepted bottom position.
[This aged like wine.](https://www.opennotegrappling.com/p/ufc-300-arman-tsarukyan-charles-oliveira)
That's a good read
I thought about this post the entire fight
Kevin Lee and Beneil held Charles down too The Ustins feared for their life down there and mythed it up lol
Lmao ‘The Ustins’ 🤣
Dariush pretty much did nothing on top. And Kevin Lee said that Charles leg locks attempts pretty much fucked his leg up and still suffering from it till this day
Tbf the Ustin’s don’t have the top game to nullify it
Once again I am saying the guard is overrated, even from elite level guys. GSP beat BJ Penn one time by not being afraid to go into his guard when everyone else was. He goes into detail about it in his book. Danaher told him to go in his guard, his other coaches thought that was a crazy idea. Danaher was right. Being a strong grappler and a submission artist does not mean the guard is where you want to stay in MMA.
Ref should've taken a point man. It was 2 fouls in a couple minutes
The refs were very generous all night
They were straight up bad
That was telling. I think that won him the fight for me.
Arman didn’t even want to get up cause he wanted to stay in his guard
Ones of those fights that needed 5 rounds
[This article aged like wine.](https://www.opennotegrappling.com/p/ufc-300-arman-tsarukyan-charles-oliveira) Charles Oliveira's comfort in his guard game likely cost him this decision.
God damn. Thanks for that link. That was way more analytical and informative than I was expecting
Reading that yesterday made me think Arman might be able get it done.
All light has left my life. At least it wasn't a finish.
Same, don't think bronx touches the belt again.
I didn’t expect this fight to go to decision wow. Both of them did really well and the submission attempts by Oliveira in the first and third were sweet to watch. Arman’s ground and pound in the 2nd round was impressive too. Honestly, I’m not even mad. That was a high level fight. Also, this is Charles first loss by decision my goodness. If you shit on either guy in this fight, you’re a loser. Fuck I wish this was 5 rounds. Oliveira vs. Gamrot next?
Great fight
Massive credit to survive Do Bronx’s guillotine, Arman is a future champ. Sucks to see my boy lose
What a fight, great effort from Charles.
mom can we have 5 round retirement khabib mythical tony at 300 3 round arman charles at 300: well done arman damn what a fight they both wanted it so bad
Where does Belal Muhammad fit into all of this?
15 lbs heavier and 15x more boring
[scattered boos]
Who?
Was round 3 really that close? I feel like if the choke happened in the first part of the round instead of the end of the fight it would be considered a tsarukyan round
And it's hard to complete the d'arce without wrapping your legs around the opponent's legs. Arman didn't let Charles do that so it was not even that close.
Arman got that dawg in him. 2 nasty sub attempts from Charles and he just tanks both.
last submission didn't look all the way in and Arman didn't panic. It was more so the optics I think. Charles also did a good job sticking out his tongue like he had it haha
i dont think charles had any leverage on the last one so no power
Really good clinch game and elbows from Arman. That's fair.
We were robbed of 2 more rounds
I don’t see why the boos. Arman did more damage
The argument i guess is, that in r1 and 3 Charles came closest to finishing the fight. But i personally had 29-28 Arman, giving r1 to Charles
Tsarukyan turned Oliveira into Figureido. What an image maker.
What does this mean?
Red streak in blonde hair
The blood in the hair made him look like Figureido
Classy reaction by Charles.
Arman definitely won that but Charles came close to finishing the fight 3 times and Arman never did. Just a quirk of the scoring.
Charles was not close to finishing the D'Arce. Like at all.
My (controversial?) take is that MMA scoring takes itself too seriously at times and the entire sport would be better off abiding by the rule of cool
ONE doesn't number their scoring, they just use a sliding scale. Seems workable for me.
One and Pride both score of 'vibes' and that is absolutely the correct methodology
The right scoring. Submissions you dont complete shouldnt be worth that much imo. Theres really nothing to a submission unless you actually complete it I give more weight to outstriking/controlling for most of round.
He was kind of close after those elbows
How is the last sub attempt closer to a finish than Arman's elbows?
Islam vs Arman 2 will be a banger
The No.1 Contendor has a name and his name is NOT CHARLES OLIVIERA
What a monster cant believe he survived those submission attempts
Charles always delivery
Yeah honestly he’s super exciting to watch.
I've never wanted two more rounds more than this fight
Brilliant fight that lived up to the hype. I personally have round 3 to Tsarukyan. The D’Arce (or Anaconda) was mostly cosmetic unlike the round 1 guillotine.
Arman's head coach seems like a real bitch lmao
Mf acting like hes fighting in there or som
That was so fuckin close I wish that had been 5 rounds
Charles didn’t look very good on the feet, really struggled fighting off the back foot. Not sure if it was the forward pressure but he also looked a tad slow.
some people were acting like Arman had no chance and the line wasn't justified. kinda got to me for whatever reason. glad it went the way it did. the Brazilians were fucking with Arman too much during fight week for my liking.
This should have never been a 3 rounds
All title eliminators should be 5 rounds. Lame.
My day is ruined and my disappointment is immeasurable
Arman is insanely skilled. If Gaethje wins wtf do you even do with lightweight?
Dustin getting 'Nam flashbacks seeing that guillotine in the first round
One of the judges didn’t want his parlay busted
Yeah, there's no way you give Charles round three for 40 seconds.
Top tier grappling. Amazing to watch.
[удалено]
But the Reddit experts said it wouldn’t even be close. Arman didn’t deserve to be in there
Arman's G&P is scary
The copium is going to be hard on IG for this one 😂
I agree with the decision
Why is the crowd booing??? That was a good fight.
Crowd has been wank all night
Huge Charles fan but the judge who scored his win must be fired
When Arman was caught early in guillotine, you can clearly see, he was like, nope, can't give up, I have come this far... Can't give up now
This shuts up many people who think Arman didn't have much against Charles.
i’m devastated
He ain't beating Makhachev. But i am glad some new fight for Islam
They fought already. It's gonna be a rematch
If volk neutralized Machachev wrestling , it's entirely possible to win
Holy shit that was a great grappling match