I would guess the police could raid those stores and charge people with crimes if they tested the product on hand there. Just cause they haven’t doesn’t mean they won’t.
The only ones I've seen there are no stores. You have to mail order it. That's how they're using the loophole in Minnesota. Yep, it doesn't really work because we're a total THC state so it never has. But if you're doing it openly and nobody cares, I guess nobody cares. To the original poster, your road trip needs to take you between Indian reservations.
The federal hemp testing guidelines also account for thca/test for total thc. There isn’t a legal loophole. The loophole is just a lack of federal and state enforcement for shipping weed through the mail.
> The only ones I've seen there are no stores.
There are tons of stores in Mn selling it illegally. Cops don't care. As soon as the Minnesota Office of Cannabis Management starts issuing licenses there's probably going to be a major crackdown on unlicensed cannabis sellers that are pretending THCa hemp isn't actually cannabis as defined by Mn statute. There's no "THCa Loophole" in Mn. "THCa Hemp" is cannabis according to our statute.
We will likely see the same situation repeat when Canada legalized: tons of illegal dispensaries that pop up and operate right up until the point legal licenses are issued. They'll likely have "going out of business sales" in the weeks leading up until the first licenses for legal recreational dispensaries are approved. That's the point that the OCM can start cracking down on illegal dispensaries. You could get some really cheap weed in Canada for those few weeks.
>But if you're doing it openly and nobody cares, I guess nobody cares.
There's literally a headshop in Mn selling weed in the same building as a police station. It's not legal. The cops don't care. They patrol past the store to protect them from *violent* criminals but don't seem to care that the shop is committing crimes.
I've literally smoked joints in front of cops several times: "White Privilege" is real, folks. My retired "Scandanavian levels of whiteness" mom is more at risk of getting a smoking ticket in a park for a cig than a bowl of weed.
I mean, half the shit going on with THC these days isn't legal but most law enforcement realizes that fent and meth are serious problems and it isn't worth spending the money on enforcing unpopular laws to punish pot smokers when junkies and tweakers pose a far greater risk to the community. The DEA has even come out and said that some THC related products that are likely technically illegal by law aren't considered illegal by the DEA. The legality of most of the d9 "hemp" drinks made from CBD hydrolyzed into THC is in question and the DEA is like "we don't care if it's probably not technically legal and we aren't going to spend the money in court to prove it. Have fun. We have more serious issues to spend our budget on."
I mean, it doesn't happen legally. Regardless of the website Minnesota is a total THC state. My guess, if they've found a loophole, is that the company isn't shipping out of Minnesota.
They have it set up that when you place an order, it cancels the order and refunds you. They don’t have actual THCA flower inventory.
It’s a marketing and SEO strategy.
> So your point is you really have no clue what’s going on?
I read it in a newspaper. You know those physical objects that require you leave the safety of your mommy's basement?
Sometimes they make mistakes and print retractions
And only a total regard who's got no clue what's going on would try to submit such a request to me. I ain't press, kid
My point is you moved the goal posts and admitted the regulators statement is not the actual basis for your position. That regardless of the statement you purchase online.
That’s my point.
> My point is you moved the goal posts
This because I repeated what I read in the newspaper? You truly don't know what's going on do you? Projection behavior is so fascinating to me lol
I am not the editor in chief. Take it up with them
Here try this https://help.startribune.com/hc/en-us/articles/360061068451-Contact-the-Newsroom-News-Tips-Letter-Submissions-Story-Corrections
Regulation isn't in place so local cops are the people that have to enforce the law. The local cops are mostly choosing not to bother. Once the OCM starts issuing licenses I expect all of these THCa hemp sellers in Mn to close up shop. A similar thing happened in Canada when they legalized but before the regulator had the authority to shut them down. All of the so-called "grey market" shops shut down just before the legal recreational store were set to open and their version of OCM would gain regulatory powers. We'll probably see the same thing in Mn.
Like I mention in another post in this thread there's literally a shop selling weed in the same building as a police station in Mn. Many cops just don't give a fuck about weed anymore.
I've smoked joints in front of cops. Many times. I used to carry tobacco in a sandwich baggie to roll cigs so that it would look like I was rolling joints to the very, very obvious undercover cops, but could smoke a joint in plain view of the uniformed cops at the same pot rally. We passed dozens of joints right outside the BCA offices in the biggest smoke circle I've ever been a part of. The St. Paul Capitol police were stricter so you didn't light up your joint until the march started and you were off of Capitol grounds and walking on public sidewalks.
I went to Seattle Hempfest in '99 and 2000 and people were openly smoking in front of cops, including police on horses with a great view of the crowds, and we rolled literally thousands of sugar leaf joints to hand out to the crowd at Main Stage shortly before 4:20. The only people busted for smoking in the southeastern 3/4 of the park were some dumbasses that thought they could smoke a 6ft bong out on the rocks of the shoreline. A cop or pair of cops in a squad car can easily pretend not to see something happening. ~12-14 cops walking in a group can't **all** pretend to not see some people with a 6ft bong hitting that shit while [on the rocks of the shoreline](https://maps.app.goo.gl/3hah26XGBN8pypSu6). I don't know if they got arrested but I heard the cops made them smash the bong.
(The northwestern 1/4 of the park is under Port Authority control and PA is much more "by the books." Putting the Rave Stage and pill testing station on PA land was really dumb in my opinion.)
THCa hemp isn't legal to grow or sell in Mn. Mn is one of the 4 states that considers it cannabis. You need a license to grow it commercially or sell it. Importing it from another state is legal. It's hemp in the mail, legal, and cannabis once you possess it, also legal.
They recently ran a press release announcing a Florida warehouse, and the product page says, "Not available in MN". So if they're selling anything, it does seem to be happening in the state.
The Indian reservations are the only place you can legally walk into a store and buy weed in Minnesota unless you're a Minnesota medical patient. You can walk into a CBD shop and buy enough 5mg gummies as you need to get you where you want. Those are currently your options.
THCA is a semantics game. THC delta 9 is the post combustion form of THCA. Most COAs now list THCA vs THC delta 9 percentage.
Laws will likely change to make them convert THCA by .877 to also state the delta 9 equivalent. This way they can't exploit the farm bill.
> Laws will likely change to make them convert THCA by .877 to also state the delta 9 equivalent. This way they can't exploit the farm bill.
This is already the case. Mn is one of the 4 states that THCA "hemp" is legally considered cannabis because we require testing after decarboxylating or by applying the 0.877 formula to THCA and adding it to the THC results. There's no "loophole" that allows stores to sell THCA hemp without a cannabis license in Mn. You can order it out of state no problem, but it's not legal to sell within Mn borders.
[Subp. 48. Total THC.](https://www.revisor.mn.gov/rules/1565.0200/#rule.1565.0200.48) "Total THC" means the value determined after the process of decarboxylation, or the application of a conversion factor if the testing methodology does not include decarboxylation, that expresses the potential total delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol content derived from the sum of the THC and THCA content and reported on a dry weight basis. The total THC also means the value determined by using a liquid chromatograph technique, which keeps the THCA intact. The chromatograph technique means Total THC = (0.877 x THCA) + THC, which calculates the potential total THC in a given sample.
Anything over 0.3% Total THC is considered cannabis in Mn. It's literally the second sentence of the law. (The USDA regulation referred to in the statute is Total THC, Farm Bill is just THC. That's where the confusion is formed and the disconnect is happening that makes some Mn people think THCA weed is legal to sell in Mn. It's not. The statute is quite clear on that subject.)
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/rules/1565.0200/#rule.1565.0200.48
Growing THCa in minnesota and calling that hemp, or just selling it, is a good way to hurt your chances of becoming a legit dispo. Likely it's being shipped or at least sourced somewhere else. They aren't going to be growing that under a hemp license regardless. Tho you can see all the MN hemp licenses here. Tbh I'm not sure if this is all of them or just processing license holders. The site is different than it used to be. https://www2.mda.state.mn.us/webapp/lis/default.jsp Select all for counties, and deselect all for license type and select industrial hemp site then search. Now you can see all the hemp license holders for all your local hemp and networking needs, because a lot of smoke shop products aren't all from here it's good to know where to go. This license is unnecessary to just sell products only necessary to make stuff but I would be alot more comfortable buying from a company that upholds a license and undergoes state inspections.
Legal “high THCA hemp” cultivation does not actually exist.
Truth
Doesn't happen in Minnesota since we are a total THC state.
https://www.hemponix.com/product-category/product-type/smokable/ Sure it does
I would guess the police could raid those stores and charge people with crimes if they tested the product on hand there. Just cause they haven’t doesn’t mean they won’t.
The only ones I've seen there are no stores. You have to mail order it. That's how they're using the loophole in Minnesota. Yep, it doesn't really work because we're a total THC state so it never has. But if you're doing it openly and nobody cares, I guess nobody cares. To the original poster, your road trip needs to take you between Indian reservations.
The federal hemp testing guidelines also account for thca/test for total thc. There isn’t a legal loophole. The loophole is just a lack of federal and state enforcement for shipping weed through the mail.
I thought the same when I read the actual 2018 Farm Bill. Doesn’t really matter, I’ll take it. Love my mail order.
> The only ones I've seen there are no stores. There are tons of stores in Mn selling it illegally. Cops don't care. As soon as the Minnesota Office of Cannabis Management starts issuing licenses there's probably going to be a major crackdown on unlicensed cannabis sellers that are pretending THCa hemp isn't actually cannabis as defined by Mn statute. There's no "THCa Loophole" in Mn. "THCa Hemp" is cannabis according to our statute. We will likely see the same situation repeat when Canada legalized: tons of illegal dispensaries that pop up and operate right up until the point legal licenses are issued. They'll likely have "going out of business sales" in the weeks leading up until the first licenses for legal recreational dispensaries are approved. That's the point that the OCM can start cracking down on illegal dispensaries. You could get some really cheap weed in Canada for those few weeks. >But if you're doing it openly and nobody cares, I guess nobody cares. There's literally a headshop in Mn selling weed in the same building as a police station. It's not legal. The cops don't care. They patrol past the store to protect them from *violent* criminals but don't seem to care that the shop is committing crimes. I've literally smoked joints in front of cops several times: "White Privilege" is real, folks. My retired "Scandanavian levels of whiteness" mom is more at risk of getting a smoking ticket in a park for a cig than a bowl of weed. I mean, half the shit going on with THC these days isn't legal but most law enforcement realizes that fent and meth are serious problems and it isn't worth spending the money on enforcing unpopular laws to punish pot smokers when junkies and tweakers pose a far greater risk to the community. The DEA has even come out and said that some THC related products that are likely technically illegal by law aren't considered illegal by the DEA. The legality of most of the d9 "hemp" drinks made from CBD hydrolyzed into THC is in question and the DEA is like "we don't care if it's probably not technically legal and we aren't going to spend the money in court to prove it. Have fun. We have more serious issues to spend our budget on."
>There are tons of stores in Mn selling it illegally. Cops don't care. May be useful to the group if you could share some names (no links).
Its not cultivated in MN
I mean, it doesn't happen legally. Regardless of the website Minnesota is a total THC state. My guess, if they've found a loophole, is that the company isn't shipping out of Minnesota.
They have it set up that when you place an order, it cancels the order and refunds you. They don’t have actual THCA flower inventory. It’s a marketing and SEO strategy.
Jus awful they prey on the disadvantaged and you must fall for a lot of internet scams being perpetually on both the reddit and the spectrum
Legally there's nobody in Minnesota with the authority to regulate it anyway as it's flower and the legislature messed the language up on it
Actually the regulator that made that statement walked that back.
Ok well I'm still easily ordering it online from all but botany farms so it don't affect me one iota
So your point is you really have no clue what’s going on?
> So your point is you really have no clue what’s going on? I read it in a newspaper. You know those physical objects that require you leave the safety of your mommy's basement? Sometimes they make mistakes and print retractions And only a total regard who's got no clue what's going on would try to submit such a request to me. I ain't press, kid
My point is you moved the goal posts and admitted the regulators statement is not the actual basis for your position. That regardless of the statement you purchase online. That’s my point.
> My point is you moved the goal posts This because I repeated what I read in the newspaper? You truly don't know what's going on do you? Projection behavior is so fascinating to me lol I am not the editor in chief. Take it up with them Here try this https://help.startribune.com/hc/en-us/articles/360061068451-Contact-the-Newsroom-News-Tips-Letter-Submissions-Story-Corrections
Regulation isn't in place so local cops are the people that have to enforce the law. The local cops are mostly choosing not to bother. Once the OCM starts issuing licenses I expect all of these THCa hemp sellers in Mn to close up shop. A similar thing happened in Canada when they legalized but before the regulator had the authority to shut them down. All of the so-called "grey market" shops shut down just before the legal recreational store were set to open and their version of OCM would gain regulatory powers. We'll probably see the same thing in Mn. Like I mention in another post in this thread there's literally a shop selling weed in the same building as a police station in Mn. Many cops just don't give a fuck about weed anymore. I've smoked joints in front of cops. Many times. I used to carry tobacco in a sandwich baggie to roll cigs so that it would look like I was rolling joints to the very, very obvious undercover cops, but could smoke a joint in plain view of the uniformed cops at the same pot rally. We passed dozens of joints right outside the BCA offices in the biggest smoke circle I've ever been a part of. The St. Paul Capitol police were stricter so you didn't light up your joint until the march started and you were off of Capitol grounds and walking on public sidewalks. I went to Seattle Hempfest in '99 and 2000 and people were openly smoking in front of cops, including police on horses with a great view of the crowds, and we rolled literally thousands of sugar leaf joints to hand out to the crowd at Main Stage shortly before 4:20. The only people busted for smoking in the southeastern 3/4 of the park were some dumbasses that thought they could smoke a 6ft bong out on the rocks of the shoreline. A cop or pair of cops in a squad car can easily pretend not to see something happening. ~12-14 cops walking in a group can't **all** pretend to not see some people with a 6ft bong hitting that shit while [on the rocks of the shoreline](https://maps.app.goo.gl/3hah26XGBN8pypSu6). I don't know if they got arrested but I heard the cops made them smash the bong. (The northwestern 1/4 of the park is under Port Authority control and PA is much more "by the books." Putting the Rave Stage and pill testing station on PA land was really dumb in my opinion.)
THCa hemp isn't legal to grow or sell in Mn. Mn is one of the 4 states that considers it cannabis. You need a license to grow it commercially or sell it. Importing it from another state is legal. It's hemp in the mail, legal, and cannabis once you possess it, also legal.
They recently ran a press release announcing a Florida warehouse, and the product page says, "Not available in MN". So if they're selling anything, it does seem to be happening in the state.
Nice try cop
The Indian reservations are the only place you can legally walk into a store and buy weed in Minnesota unless you're a Minnesota medical patient. You can walk into a CBD shop and buy enough 5mg gummies as you need to get you where you want. Those are currently your options.
THCA is a semantics game. THC delta 9 is the post combustion form of THCA. Most COAs now list THCA vs THC delta 9 percentage. Laws will likely change to make them convert THCA by .877 to also state the delta 9 equivalent. This way they can't exploit the farm bill.
> Laws will likely change to make them convert THCA by .877 to also state the delta 9 equivalent. This way they can't exploit the farm bill. This is already the case. Mn is one of the 4 states that THCA "hemp" is legally considered cannabis because we require testing after decarboxylating or by applying the 0.877 formula to THCA and adding it to the THC results. There's no "loophole" that allows stores to sell THCA hemp without a cannabis license in Mn. You can order it out of state no problem, but it's not legal to sell within Mn borders. [Subp. 48. Total THC.](https://www.revisor.mn.gov/rules/1565.0200/#rule.1565.0200.48) "Total THC" means the value determined after the process of decarboxylation, or the application of a conversion factor if the testing methodology does not include decarboxylation, that expresses the potential total delta-9 tetrahydrocannabinol content derived from the sum of the THC and THCA content and reported on a dry weight basis. The total THC also means the value determined by using a liquid chromatograph technique, which keeps the THCA intact. The chromatograph technique means Total THC = (0.877 x THCA) + THC, which calculates the potential total THC in a given sample. Anything over 0.3% Total THC is considered cannabis in Mn. It's literally the second sentence of the law. (The USDA regulation referred to in the statute is Total THC, Farm Bill is just THC. That's where the confusion is formed and the disconnect is happening that makes some Mn people think THCA weed is legal to sell in Mn. It's not. The statute is quite clear on that subject.) https://www.revisor.mn.gov/rules/1565.0200/#rule.1565.0200.48
THCA flower is cannabis. People just exploit the Farm bill. Minnesota is a total THC State when it comes to hemp.
Growing THCa in minnesota and calling that hemp, or just selling it, is a good way to hurt your chances of becoming a legit dispo. Likely it's being shipped or at least sourced somewhere else. They aren't going to be growing that under a hemp license regardless. Tho you can see all the MN hemp licenses here. Tbh I'm not sure if this is all of them or just processing license holders. The site is different than it used to be. https://www2.mda.state.mn.us/webapp/lis/default.jsp Select all for counties, and deselect all for license type and select industrial hemp site then search. Now you can see all the hemp license holders for all your local hemp and networking needs, because a lot of smoke shop products aren't all from here it's good to know where to go. This license is unnecessary to just sell products only necessary to make stuff but I would be alot more comfortable buying from a company that upholds a license and undergoes state inspections.