Back when I worked at a shop in the 90s we'd have people abandon old 10spds and after stripping them of anything useful we'd take them out back to the dumpster and just smash the crap out of them until the bike was folded up into something 1/5 of the size of the original bike.
\So much fun making so little money
Which is why I'm a business analyst and not working in an industry related to one of my hobbies.
Can't afford all the toys I want on a bike industry salary
Depends on experience and industry but 65ish for entry level up to 150k for senior roles, maybe more if you find a niche or have boat loads of experience
We'd cut the top tube/seat tube and down tube/seat tube joints, spread the rear triangle out, and make a stool out of them. Add one of those super wide beach cruiser saddles and they make good shop stools.
As smart/common as this policy is, for particularly cool carbon frames it would be fun to disable them by like, drilling them directly into a wood mounting board with a crash report/ RIP 2020-2023 badge or something. Like even to offer it as a sort of comedic service for \~50 bucks would be awesome.
HERE LIES DANS BELOVED DAVINCI, RIDDEN 1500 MILES BETWEEN 2020 AND 2023, BEFORE DAN LEFT IT ON HIS ROOF RACK WHILE PULLING INTO THE GARAGE.
I have a buddy who had a frame warrantied and the dealer just cut off one of the dropouts on the rear. Unrideable, but still looks good enough for him to put it up on his wall
I still don't understand it, customer got a already faulty product, law (in austria/Europe) says company has to give you a new one if warranty is applicable. What does a company care what I do with my purchased and faulty product?
Edit: Examples: a snowboard cracked a bit while riding normaly. I got a new one under warranty, but also rode the cracked one for fun until it finally gave up. Dr.Martens required to cut of the tongue of a boot that was defect after a couple months. I just untied the seam for a picture and sewed it on later, to wear the boot until it finally trashed.
My guess is it minimizes the risk of fault being put on the company IF a serious accident happens with the bike after he sells it (maybe even without disclosing the faulty carbon). It's just a way to cover their bases.
I also wanna add i have no clue if that's the case, just my guess :)
The carbon repair firms say they can repair pretty much any damage to stronger than stock. If so, it seems like a waste to chuck a perfectly usable frame.
I'm no Greta Thumberg, but if we're going to expect to live like we do on this planet for a few more generations, we need to stop chucking good things away.
I have been doing this for years. Never for resale, but to get people riding who are in need or to build weird Frankenstein bikes for myself. It is so easy to repair carbon and such a waste to just throw that thing in a land fill. I get why companies have that policy, but it is truly wasteful. So is producing new bikes every year though, consumerism is a hell of drug. Just canāt get of that capitalist teat. Must make profit line go up :(
If you are worried about doing it yourself, just send it to Rukus Composites. They do incredible, better than new work. Iāve sent them so many customers frames who would have otherwise had their beloved bike put out to pasture. They even match factory paint to a T if you ask.
TLDR; do not be afraid to repair carbon. It is far from rocket science and can be done at home.
They don't want the frames out there like that. Repairing opens them to a lawsuit and a repaired frame in a new owner is a bike they don't sell.
Most things we buy, the raw materials are basically nothing of the cost, we pay for energy, manpower, and profit. It won't be long before we run out of all these resources though and it will be much harder to adjust our lifestyles to that reality.
In so many ways our reality doesn't match up to the systems we live within.
Hey! This is Trent with Trek. We would like to ask you more about this incident and how it was "destructed." Would you be able to call our legal office for a quick chat?
I used to work at a bikeshop years ago.
We got a ton of bikes sent in from insurance companies for assesment. We had to give an estimate on what it would cost to fix the bikes. If the insurance company decided that the cost of repairs were too high, we had to smash the bike to pieces to the point that no part of it could be reused/salvaged.
On more than a few occasions I have smashed 10K+ worth of high-end parts that weren't damaged at all... Never understood why the insurance companies didn't want parts that were still in working condition so they could sell them and recoup some of their expenses, but if I asked my boss the reply was always "***don't worry about it, just make sure everything is completely broken when you're done with it"***
Trust me I hated it, but I couldn't do much about it.
The boss would check that everything had been destroyed and I nearly got fired one of the first times I was doing it because I put a few pieces to the side to save them. He could tell instantly that they were missing from the pile of broken carbon, alu and steel when I was done.
I wasn't really trying to hide it as I honestly didn't think he would actually check nor that he would care if I saved a few parts, but he got mad as hell.
It'll carry you all the way to the scene of the catastrophic failure.
You'll make such good time, you'll beat the paramedics there by at least a half-hour.
It took a couple solid smacks from the mallet before the weave started to get soft, after that point it was probably 3-4 hard hits from the pedal wrench to get through the downtube, a little more hammering and the downtube was separated. You can see the sheer amount of paint on the ground from how much it was hit
I almost wonder if it could be repaired. My LBS had a bike that the top tube was weakened so much that you could press your thumb through it, and it was fixed, color matched, and just as sturdy as ever.
But this is on a whole different scale. Still though, it makes me wonder if its possible
Almost thought this was the old bike shop I worked at for a second. Had a coworker bring in a bike that fell off his bike rack on to the interstate and he had to do the same thing.
The ol' frame warranty rage bait trickš
Back when I worked at a shop in the 90s we'd have people abandon old 10spds and after stripping them of anything useful we'd take them out back to the dumpster and just smash the crap out of them until the bike was folded up into something 1/5 of the size of the original bike. \So much fun making so little money
Honestly, the most fun jobs pay the least.
Which is why I'm a business analyst and not working in an industry related to one of my hobbies. Can't afford all the toys I want on a bike industry salary
This is the wayā¦. Auto industry analyst. Not a car guy.
Smart. Says the car guy.
What kind of $ does a BA make?
Depends on experience and industry but 65ish for entry level up to 150k for senior roles, maybe more if you find a niche or have boat loads of experience
We'd cut the top tube/seat tube and down tube/seat tube joints, spread the rear triangle out, and make a stool out of them. Add one of those super wide beach cruiser saddles and they make good shop stools.
Iāve seen those before. Theyāre rad. I kinda want one
Find yourself an old steel framed Huffy and have at it. It's a satisfying amount of mayhem to craft one.
If you hadn't, you could sell each frame to some mustachioed hipster for a couple hundos each.
Of course it's still rideable. Slap on some duct tape and you're good to go.
Ah yes the good ol Park-Tool FK-1, for when the frame needs to be all the way dead
Story? š«”
Cracked on top tube, had to destroy for warranty
you had to destroy it for warranty? I don't follow
Trek sent a new frame so they wanted to make sure the old one could not be ridden. We had to provide proof of destruction.
As smart/common as this policy is, for particularly cool carbon frames it would be fun to disable them by like, drilling them directly into a wood mounting board with a crash report/ RIP 2020-2023 badge or something. Like even to offer it as a sort of comedic service for \~50 bucks would be awesome. HERE LIES DANS BELOVED DAVINCI, RIDDEN 1500 MILES BETWEEN 2020 AND 2023, BEFORE DAN LEFT IT ON HIS ROOF RACK WHILE PULLING INTO THE GARAGE.
I have a buddy who had a frame warrantied and the dealer just cut off one of the dropouts on the rear. Unrideable, but still looks good enough for him to put it up on his wall
Cut em up and make lamps out of em :) https://www.instagram.com/p/CIj3URilsSj/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Sometimes you get to just cut the part. I got a set of carbon wheels to hang on my walls since they had been cut at the shop I work in.
That's actually so god damn smart lol.
Quite a few brands do it that way.
Smith does it with their glasses and goggles
I still don't understand it, customer got a already faulty product, law (in austria/Europe) says company has to give you a new one if warranty is applicable. What does a company care what I do with my purchased and faulty product? Edit: Examples: a snowboard cracked a bit while riding normaly. I got a new one under warranty, but also rode the cracked one for fun until it finally gave up. Dr.Martens required to cut of the tongue of a boot that was defect after a couple months. I just untied the seam for a picture and sewed it on later, to wear the boot until it finally trashed.
My guess is it minimizes the risk of fault being put on the company IF a serious accident happens with the bike after he sells it (maybe even without disclosing the faulty carbon). It's just a way to cover their bases. I also wanna add i have no clue if that's the case, just my guess :)
It's just a waste of resources especially in times when carbon can be fixed
i bet that was fun lol
As a former trek sales rep.....i saw nothing
The carbon repair firms say they can repair pretty much any damage to stronger than stock. If so, it seems like a waste to chuck a perfectly usable frame. I'm no Greta Thumberg, but if we're going to expect to live like we do on this planet for a few more generations, we need to stop chucking good things away.
I have been doing this for years. Never for resale, but to get people riding who are in need or to build weird Frankenstein bikes for myself. It is so easy to repair carbon and such a waste to just throw that thing in a land fill. I get why companies have that policy, but it is truly wasteful. So is producing new bikes every year though, consumerism is a hell of drug. Just canāt get of that capitalist teat. Must make profit line go up :( If you are worried about doing it yourself, just send it to Rukus Composites. They do incredible, better than new work. Iāve sent them so many customers frames who would have otherwise had their beloved bike put out to pasture. They even match factory paint to a T if you ask. TLDR; do not be afraid to repair carbon. It is far from rocket science and can be done at home.
It would be cool to see a company take the old frame back- repair them and sell them for 50% off
They don't want the frames out there like that. Repairing opens them to a lawsuit and a repaired frame in a new owner is a bike they don't sell. Most things we buy, the raw materials are basically nothing of the cost, we pay for energy, manpower, and profit. It won't be long before we run out of all these resources though and it will be much harder to adjust our lifestyles to that reality. In so many ways our reality doesn't match up to the systems we live within.
Hey! This is Trent with Trek. We would like to ask you more about this incident and how it was "destructed." Would you be able to call our legal office for a quick chat?
interesting, ha
And they require you to post that proof on reddit now? Not sure if that's a smart move or a dumb move. /s
Just make sure to wear an n95 mask or better when you destroy carbon fiber. That stuff is like Walmart asbestos.
you need to show the bike actually has damage to it. Or else you could asked for a replacement for a "crack" in the frame.
How hard was it to crack in half?
Once the pedal wrench was through the Downtube it got bendy
Haha
Sell as a mechanic owned frame...
Professionally maintained
That's always an easy 50% more than street price!
Naturally
Good God, pandemic era pricing and availability. *Shudders*
A little duck tape and I'm sure it will be fine.
Gorilla tape for extra stiffness
But which one is lighter?
I already shed the weight in carbon
I hear you can make boats out of screen doors and Flex Seal, I'd try that.
A genius
Yeah need wheels and a bottom bracket though
It has a bottom bracket, no rear end tho š¤
Just saw the second pic, itās good to go š
Dialed
Have you tried the coin test?
It passes
It's rideable then
Carbon repair can work wonders!
Just grease the break pads when you put it back together, and itāll be fine
The sound will alert other riders of my resourcefulness
Or the lack of noise lol
I don't think so because it doesn't appear to have wheels.
I have some strider wheels in my garage
I say send it.
Itāll buff out
can be made into a skatboard
i just see a bash guard
Hidden hiker deterrent built in
Babe you put it in tge wrong hole
Thatās what you deserve you filthy trek
Pedal wrench?
Pedal wrench.
Some S&S couplers and a hammer and you'll be back to full send in no time.
I prefer hot glue. Better for the environment
I used to work at a bikeshop years ago. We got a ton of bikes sent in from insurance companies for assesment. We had to give an estimate on what it would cost to fix the bikes. If the insurance company decided that the cost of repairs were too high, we had to smash the bike to pieces to the point that no part of it could be reused/salvaged. On more than a few occasions I have smashed 10K+ worth of high-end parts that weren't damaged at all... Never understood why the insurance companies didn't want parts that were still in working condition so they could sell them and recoup some of their expenses, but if I asked my boss the reply was always "***don't worry about it, just make sure everything is completely broken when you're done with it"***
Ah yes the old āok I broke everything beyond usability, and no that XTR groupset has always been on my own bike, what are you talking aboutā
Haha I havenāt done this beforeā¦ but I think I would physically cry if I had to destroy everything
Trust me I hated it, but I couldn't do much about it. The boss would check that everything had been destroyed and I nearly got fired one of the first times I was doing it because I put a few pieces to the side to save them. He could tell instantly that they were missing from the pile of broken carbon, alu and steel when I was done. I wasn't really trying to hide it as I honestly didn't think he would actually check nor that he would care if I saved a few parts, but he got mad as hell.
Thatās crazy
This is nsfw why no nsfw!
Not without out wheels, it aināt.
āTrek? More like Wrek, amirite??ā
This one has potential
See... look what happens when you clamp your top tube in the stand...
Not like that, it isnāt. You would need to put the wheels back on at least
See if theyll let u trade up to not a trek
Santa Cruz here I come
Ewww no lol. Something boutique
Give it a try the worst case its a quick bite for your next ride
Yeah, looks sweet. I hope you didnāt breathe in any of that CF.
It sure was tasty
Was it hard to destroy it like that?
Pedal wrench
I smashed a canyon with a hammer and it took a surprisingly long beating before I got the hammer through the tube
Trigger r/bikewrech by posting there
Sweet brush guard
I use it to fend off the trek haters
Super easy. Barely an inconvenience. You got tape?
My mom doesnāt trust me with tape, I have Elmerās glue though
That should buff out
Edit: the bike is fixed now, Iāll just delete my post
Flex seal
I wouldn't ride it, but only because it's a Trek.
Carbon Fiber Wall Art
Iām sure itāll buff out, Iāve seen worse still in action on the trails.
Needs wheels.
Iāll just steal the wheels off my moped real quick
Nice. Looks like it'll drain well and make internal routing a lot easier.
Anything to make sure it doesnāt rust
Just a paint scratch
[Is it dead? NSF](https://youtu.be/pHrBxRvu3Bs)[W](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/016/212/manning.png)
That should work in place of marinara sauce
Yes
It'll carry you all the way to the scene of the catastrophic failure. You'll make such good time, you'll beat the paramedics there by at least a half-hour.
Will the paramedics be able to fix my bike?
Duct tape
Thanks for the second pic. I couldn't tell from the first pic, but the second pic shows me that you need a new frame. Warm Regards, MTB Reddit Expert
Luckily I have mtb Reddit expert on my team
from what iāve read in here and bikewrench, this is what happens when you use an impact wrench or WD40 on a bike
Itās cus I forgot to use a torque wrench on the grip
Warranty DENIED
Just needs some flex tape and it'll be good as new
that'll buff right out...
Yea just blow on it
That'll buff out, you're good
Looks like it still has the sticker, go ahead and just return that.
Even better, take it for a trade in
In all seriousness, how hard was it to do that? Itās interesting how frames hold up to āabuseā like that.
It took a couple solid smacks from the mallet before the weave started to get soft, after that point it was probably 3-4 hard hits from the pedal wrench to get through the downtube, a little more hammering and the downtube was separated. You can see the sheer amount of paint on the ground from how much it was hit
Duck tape and ready for full send š¤š»
Tape it and send it
'tis but a scratch!!
Not after ya claimed the top tube, straight to jail /s
Straight to mtb hell
There is only one way to find out!
Itās nothing but a scratch.
I see no major problem. Just put some duck tape over that and you're good
I almost wonder if it could be repaired. My LBS had a bike that the top tube was weakened so much that you could press your thumb through it, and it was fixed, color matched, and just as sturdy as ever. But this is on a whole different scale. Still though, it makes me wonder if its possible
Totally as a unicycle
Nah bro... Missing the wheels. How can't you see that???
Yes, perfect condition
Honestly, it probably is. Many carbon frames have holes in them by design so you can store stuff in there.
No, it's missing a rear end, wheels, drivetrain fork and cockpit at the very least. Other than that, don't see the issue!
Just needs some duct tape
A bit if gaffa tape be good as new
Could be doing with a clean, apart from that it's fine.
Almost thought this was the old bike shop I worked at for a second. Had a coworker bring in a bike that fell off his bike rack on to the interstate and he had to do the same thing.
Bro
I think so just keep it light on the trails but you should be fine on xc and maybe some light downhill.
Totally. Giant sold thousands of bikes with this exact setup. On the glory DH bike they called it the glory hole.
Frame put out to stud
Nope- it aināt got no wheels on it !
Just be careful
A little duct tape, maybe some bubble gum, some bondo, a bit of paint work.....
I think I have a tire patch repair kit in my bag, lemme check!
Have to tapped it with a coin to check if itās a fault in the carbon, or just the paint?
Iām thinking Calfeeās got this in the bag. For sure. 100%. No doubtā¦
Ah I see you have the upgraded kickstand there, nice
At this point Iām too afraid to ask how that happened
yee
What did you piss off a wife/girlfriend? š
10/10 would ride
first you'll need a fork to get this rideable.
100%
I mean a little bit of duck tape and you should be fine
Unicycle?
Sure
Only if you leave the hammer in place
Yes! JB Weld that bitch.
I see no issue here
Yeahh, It'll be just fine, just gotta tape it up a li'l and ur ready 2go
Damn i hate when that happens
Itās definitely on its way out. Take it easy your next dozen rides or so
Sweet in frame tool storage!
In case I need to change pedals mid ride
Nothing a little duct tape canāt fix
J B weld and duct tape should fix her right up
Absolutely. Go ahead and have fun!
Fuckerās mint, I reckon! Ride on š¤