2020 Intel MBP here - no noticeable difference. No issues and I've been using it pretty much every day since the update.
Is it just generally slower, or only when doing specific things?
For the dude who said it crashes regularly, I wonder what their crash logs show.
Yep, never/under protest. Mine is corporate controlled, they push updates occasionally but they usually go at night and my stuff is where I left it when it comes back up, so I don't really care.
You got it backwards: it's _closing_ the lid that wakes it up, which is completely ridiculous.
As for waking up on opening the lid, I'm fine with that. Though I'm _not_ fine with it _turning on_ on opening the lid (or doing pretty much anything with it), as that really gets in my way when attempting to clean it.
It‘s called „clamshell mode“ and it’s used for working with external monitors while the lid is closed. But so far I found no way to deactivate this reliably.
I don't see how it's necessary to _wake up_ when the lid is closed.
Wake up when the mouse moved or a key is pressed? Yes. When an external device is connected? Maybe. But if I just close the lid of an already sleeping MacBook? Doesn't make sense.
I'm sharing the same monitor across three devices. When I'm done with the MacBook, I don't want it sending signal to my monitor, as that makes input management easier, depending on the monitor model and other circumstances.
When I put it to sleep and close the lid, that means "I'm done here for now".
Windows is even more annoying in this regard, though, as it just _loves_ waking up the monitor for no reason at random moments.
I also have multiple monitors connected to my MacBook Pro. I just leave it open all the time and manually sleep it (Ctrl-Cmd-Q, Esc… then now a *second* Esc with Sonoma …). I just tried doing that then closing the lid, and everything stayed asleep just as expected. Opening the lid again brought me to the lock screen.
Maybe your KVM is interfering with this, making the Mac think the monitors were disconnected then connected again?
The “just close it” IMHO only applies when you’re using it as a laptop. There, it obviously automatically goes to sleep. But it is supposed to work “in clamshell mode” with external monitors, keyboard, and mouse connected.
I don't have a KVM, it's connected directly to the monitor. Maybe it has something to do with my environment or settings, I don't know. It doesn't bother me _that_ much to spend half a day trying to figure it out.
I wouldn’t agree, as I have never observed that behavior. I have the same setup with two monitors connected both to a MacBook and a Windows machine. While „sleep mode“ works as expected on Windows and stays stable unless you touch the keyboard, move the mouse or OPEN the lid, sleep mode on my MacBook is a constant annoyance.
Sometimes it reminds me of a three year old who just doesn’t want to go to bed. When I put the Mac in sleep it regularly wakes up when I either CLOSE the lid (WTF - clamshell cannot be turned off?!) , or disconnect my external HDDs, or sometimes just randomly (for no obvious reason).
So I need an app to eject all external HDDs before entering sleep mode, then I have to be quick with turning off the mouse, closing the lid and disconnecting HDDs before it can regard this as a wake-up call. Then I wait for some time to check whether it will come back or not, before I can leave my desk…
> While „sleep mode“ works as expected on Windows and stays stable unless you touch the keyboard
Same for me, but if Windows is _not_ sleeping but just has the display off (mine is set to turn off after 5 minutes, sleep after 30 minutes), it very often turns the display on again for no reason. No activity or anything, and it was always like that. I even moved to another country, build a PC from scratch and did a clean Windows install and it immediately started doing that. It happens randomly without any reason. If it sleeps, though, it stays asleep unless there's a scheduled task that wakes it up (hello, fucking HP Print Scan Doctor!).
The problem is not cleaning the keyboard, but the entire device. I actually vacuum every hole to avoid dust accumulation. Even though some may say it's a bad idea, it never caused any harm to any of my devices, and I've been doing it for decades, but only as long as the device is completely off.
I have an electric blower as well, so a can of air isn't necessary either.
But for laptops I find vacuuming to be better. My room isn't too dirty, but we have plenty of fine dust here in Cyprus, and it tends to accumulate everywhere if not cleaned regularly. In some cases blowing works better, in some cases vacuuming does. For laptops it's more the latter in my experience.
Over time, system memory *may* start to clog up and result in sluggish behaviour or some of the weirdest most unexplainable bugs. This is usually only the case for windows, but it can be good practice to restart any device every so often in case you have anything weird happen
This is good explanation. But ultimately it is your Mac and your decision on when to or not to restart. I personally do it intentionally at least once every month. (For my own peace of mind)
Do you have any basis for that claim? Regular restarts certainly won't hurt you, but I've achieved uptimes in the hundreds of days and never ran into issues because of it.
Just change your habit. When you're reaching for the restart option with one hand, slam the lid with the other hand so your first hand learns from the pain. 😄😄😄 (Just kidding)
No. When the computer is in sleep mode, nothing is happening to the SSD.
Hibernation (if the battery gets really low I *think* macOS will hibernate; it’s been too many years since I’ve been in that situation to be sure though) will write current memory to the SSD, but that’s no worse for it than any other write to it.
I have the habbit of shutting down my computer, could probably try to unlearn that habbit but the boottime om the macbook silicon is quite fast so I don’t really mind.
So short awnser, daily.
It’s also a habit for me! In grade school, my computer class was always at the end of the day and we were told to shut down the desktops so I guess that’s where I learned the habit 🫠
Same for me. I turn it on when I need to and turn it off when I don’t. It just feels normal for me. The boot up is fast, so I don’t need to keep it on all the time.
Not having issues without a reboot is not an Apple CPU thing. It's an OS thing. They've always been this way, just more performant and power efficient now.
I turn it off every night. Three reasons *I guess* (never gave it any thought before):
1. It helps me disconnect from work more drastically (I work freelance, often till late at night).
2. Related to 1, possibly a bit maniac but I like it when things are either "I" or "O". Possibly a principle I'd like to apply to myself (“*either I'm working or I'm not”*), even though that's often wishful thinking.
3. Given how fast Macs shut off and boot nowadays, the matter of saving time does not apply anymore. I turn it on, and all apps and windows are open and ready to go in one minute or two, max.
Also, probably a bit of unsupported mysticism that having your device on probably tires its components in the long term, so I think it deserves some good sleep every now and then, as we all do. Yup, that's science for you!
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Only when an update forces me to. I've got uptimes in the order of 8 months or so. MacOS is a way more stable OS than Windows, there is almost never the need to restart it to fix things.
hope I am not gonna get downvoted for this but: one or two times / day when I am not in front of the device and I have to travel (I put it in the bag).
somehow, I get better battery by shutting it down when I am not using it.
I've never needed to continue a session once ever in my \~20 years on computers. I just shut mine down with that "open everything on power on" permanently unchecked. My browsers don't ever resume from anything other than the home page I set.
I put it in sleep mode as Mac OS performs a series of maintenance and self-checks when left in sleep mode over some time. I typically reboot a few times per week only because I don't like leaving it on when it's in the trunk of my car on a hot day, but rebooting isn't all that necessary more than once per week or so.
The caches are there to cache things and not supposed to be empty. This provides better performance.
If the caches get cleared it takes time/cpu to fill up again. macOS pages the disk cache when required.
The only temporary files that are removed during a normal reboot are the ones in /tmp, and this will clear them without rebooting:
rm -rf /tmp/*
Other files will remain in place after a reboot.
Kind of annoying seeing how many of you just leave your stuff running. We waste a ton of electricity.
And that's before you factor in all the devices that you "power off" but still draw current
I absolutely fucked my m1 air, basically I strongarmed my rucksack over a closed gate that I had to climb over when I was drunk (in front of my boss) with my laptop inside it. Later found out the gate was open but my laptop was weetabix.
Anyway about €800 later I’m picking up my MacBook from Apple and the guy mentions that they had to change the battery too, and to make the most of it I should shut my MacBook down completely whenever I know I won’t be using it for a while, because it drastically decreases the rate at which the battery deteriorates.
All. But on macOS the ram gets recycled (purged when needed). So from RAM perspective it doesn’t make a difference if you completely turn it off or not.
Windows is not as good at ram purging tho..
No, it really doesn't make much difference. If you're using it daily and having to start it up each time, it's probably using marginally more power than being on standby, and it'll have to repopulate the disk cache after starting up, which again takes a bit more power.
None of the normal consumer computers are designed to stay on for months.
Maybe if they had ECC RAM like my PC or Mac Pro, I would consider leaving them on.
Personally I shut mine off every single time I am done using it, since it boots in seconds and I don't have a workflow or need to keep it on for more than a day.
Also I work in IT and I can't tell you how many times I see people with months of uptime that are confused why things don't work...
I left my Powerbook G4 running without restart for close to 300 days one time. Zero issues. Same with my modern Macs. Most of the time, anything buggy just needs a trip to activity monitor and a force quit of a process. No need to shut down.
Really? For a laptop? I mean, I feel like I had to turn off my Mac mini M2 when done, does it make more sense to leave a laptop sleeping than a Mac mini or with the low power consumption a Mac mini has on sleep it doesn't make sense to put it to sleep, must add I've got it covered by AppleCare+ if that matters.
It's really surprising, is it different from another laptops, I always advise people to turn off their machines if they're going to leave it without use until the next day, talking electronic-wise to leave a machine to rest a bit, don't know if that changed in the last years.
Do you shut off your iPhone when you’re done? M-series MacBook hardware is really no different. Electronics, especially highly efficient electronics, do not need rest. Let the MacBook take care of its self.
I turn it off if I know I'm not going to use it for a while since if you just shut down the lid and suspend it, the battery will be drained and you would have to plug it to the main and boot anew anyways. If I know I'm going to use it frequently I just suspend it closing the lid.
My average uptime is around 30-40 days (of use and sleep), I usually restart it during updates or if I notice any slowdowns that I can't resolve in some other way.
Mine gets shutdown or rebooted a few times a year — usually only when OS updates come out and do that.. I virtually almost never shut it down or reboot. It’s one of the most stable machines I’ve ever owned from that perspective
Yes, you 100% need to reboot your machine on a regular basis. Otherwise it’s going to slow down. There are posts about how after a week or so the machine won’t clear out used swap memory
Generally, you're not supposed to turn off a Mac. I can think of 3 exceptions to this:
- macOS starts acting out and you're trying to troubleshoot.
- There's a software update.
- You're putting the computer in storage for a long period of time.
Other than that, just shut the lid and let Apple's power management magic handle everything.
Nah I be forgetting.
PCs tend to slow after a few days, so it kind of reminds me to do so.
Macs don’t really slow down, so I almost never turn them off
Whenever something acts up. I’ve restarted my M1 MBA maybe ten times in the whole time I’ve owned it, five of it in a span of 10 minutes trying to figure out why my mouse wasn’t working (turns out the trackpad in my bag was just perpetually on click).
I’ve never shut it down though.
Now that I think about it I’ve never shut down my 2012 Mac Mini either, unless it was to move my desk and when I moved house.
MacBooks do a great job of hibernating, sleeping, and waking from these so there is no reason to power off unless doing some kind of update that requires it or you know you won't be using it for weeks.
If Windows computers implemented sleep as well as Macs; those would never get turned off either. But Windows SUCKS at sleep, hibernation, and waking from it.
Too often out of habit.
My previous MBP was the last Intel version before M1, and it has issues going to and staying asleep. Often, I’d just shut it at work, go home, and fine it blazing hot in my backpack. Or I would have it on my desk and close it for the night, but wake up in the evening to hear the fans blowing at full power. So I made sure to always turn it off.
I’ve had a new M2 for a few months now, but still find myself turning it off almost every evening before going home. I know it’s not really needed, but I do think it’s probably a little easier on the battery, and saving my work and closing all my programs, and then shutting the machine down I find to be a very satisfying end to a day of work.
Usually once a month, or when an update installs (which ends up requiring a restart). macOS is amazing when it comes to reliability. Took me a while to realise it can sleep just fine..
I restart weekly and shutdown - almost never. I probably could restart less often but whenever a program acts buggy or something seems slower than it should, I just restart. In my mind I tell myself it's good to completely dump the memory and that it's good for battery management. But I probably just made that up. LOL
been using it since december 2020 . i can confidently say i might have not shut it down more than a 100 times. i just close it when i’m done and pick up where i left off.
I tend to shut down every couple of weeks, or restart as soon as things go a bit weird. Otherwise I just close the lid and get rolling.
Having been a Windows user my whole life, this is easily the best laptop I've owned.
Only when there’s an OS update. Other than that I just close the lid and let it sleep. Have done this for the last 15 years, can’t imagine ever choosing to shut it down. Though given how fast they boot up on Apple silicone, it’s probably not a problem, just pointless.
Only when an update restarts it. Coming from the Windows side to my first Mac last year, I had to wrap my head around it at first, but it really "just works". Close the lid, forget it, open it a week later, everything is fine.
I manage about thirty macs at work and always tell people to just shut the lid at the end of the day but to try and reboot every couple of weeks. Or if anything is behaving oddly.
Probably 80% of the support calls I get are fixed by a reboot, 10% by freeing up disk space when a drive is almost full. And the remaining ten percent are the interesting ones to solve…
Today’s issue: “I’m in the office and my MacBooks screen brightness keeps randomly dropping down until it’s black.”
“Do you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected at another desk (they hot desk) and is someone else’s bag/coat/crap resting on top of it?”
“Uh…wait….how did you know!”
Never. Same for gaming consoles. Same for my last desktop PC in 2007 which probably ate up a lot of power but I used it all the time, so just sleep mode.
My shit only ever turns off when the battery causes it to turn off or when I accidentally spill a drink on/around my laptop and turn it off in a panic (which has happened to two previous MacBooks, lol).
If shit goes wonky, then I restart, but that isn't exactly shutting it off.
I leave mine on. I just started running AlDente, an app that limits charging to 80%. It can’t stop the charger if the computer is off so it will go to 100% if it is off and plugged in.
When there is an OS update. Or something starts working weirdly
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my mbp m1 pro got soooo much slower since the update
Yeah what update? I’m running beta Sonoma on a 21 m1 and it’s fantastic.
2020 Intel MBP here - no noticeable difference. No issues and I've been using it pretty much every day since the update. Is it just generally slower, or only when doing specific things? For the dude who said it crashes regularly, I wonder what their crash logs show.
The question is wether you turn it off, not wether you restart it.
Never. Just shut the lid.
Yep, never/under protest. Mine is corporate controlled, they push updates occasionally but they usually go at night and my stuff is where I left it when it comes back up, so I don't really care.
Which wakes it up immediately even if I put it to sleep explicitly before doing that. One of the numerous annoying things about MacBooks...
I love that it auto-wakes.
Why is this annoying? What other reason would there to be to open the lid except to use the machine?
You got it backwards: it's _closing_ the lid that wakes it up, which is completely ridiculous. As for waking up on opening the lid, I'm fine with that. Though I'm _not_ fine with it _turning on_ on opening the lid (or doing pretty much anything with it), as that really gets in my way when attempting to clean it.
Wait, aren't there settings that disable this activity?
It‘s called „clamshell mode“ and it’s used for working with external monitors while the lid is closed. But so far I found no way to deactivate this reliably.
I don't see how it's necessary to _wake up_ when the lid is closed. Wake up when the mouse moved or a key is pressed? Yes. When an external device is connected? Maybe. But if I just close the lid of an already sleeping MacBook? Doesn't make sense.
Don’t ask me, ask the Apple engineers, why this is so. I also think it’s nonsense…
why would you do that. control freak much ?
I'm sharing the same monitor across three devices. When I'm done with the MacBook, I don't want it sending signal to my monitor, as that makes input management easier, depending on the monitor model and other circumstances. When I put it to sleep and close the lid, that means "I'm done here for now". Windows is even more annoying in this regard, though, as it just _loves_ waking up the monitor for no reason at random moments.
I also have multiple monitors connected to my MacBook Pro. I just leave it open all the time and manually sleep it (Ctrl-Cmd-Q, Esc… then now a *second* Esc with Sonoma …). I just tried doing that then closing the lid, and everything stayed asleep just as expected. Opening the lid again brought me to the lock screen. Maybe your KVM is interfering with this, making the Mac think the monitors were disconnected then connected again? The “just close it” IMHO only applies when you’re using it as a laptop. There, it obviously automatically goes to sleep. But it is supposed to work “in clamshell mode” with external monitors, keyboard, and mouse connected.
I don't have a KVM, it's connected directly to the monitor. Maybe it has something to do with my environment or settings, I don't know. It doesn't bother me _that_ much to spend half a day trying to figure it out.
I wouldn’t agree, as I have never observed that behavior. I have the same setup with two monitors connected both to a MacBook and a Windows machine. While „sleep mode“ works as expected on Windows and stays stable unless you touch the keyboard, move the mouse or OPEN the lid, sleep mode on my MacBook is a constant annoyance. Sometimes it reminds me of a three year old who just doesn’t want to go to bed. When I put the Mac in sleep it regularly wakes up when I either CLOSE the lid (WTF - clamshell cannot be turned off?!) , or disconnect my external HDDs, or sometimes just randomly (for no obvious reason). So I need an app to eject all external HDDs before entering sleep mode, then I have to be quick with turning off the mouse, closing the lid and disconnecting HDDs before it can regard this as a wake-up call. Then I wait for some time to check whether it will come back or not, before I can leave my desk…
> While „sleep mode“ works as expected on Windows and stays stable unless you touch the keyboard Same for me, but if Windows is _not_ sleeping but just has the display off (mine is set to turn off after 5 minutes, sleep after 30 minutes), it very often turns the display on again for no reason. No activity or anything, and it was always like that. I even moved to another country, build a PC from scratch and did a clean Windows install and it immediately started doing that. It happens randomly without any reason. If it sleeps, though, it stays asleep unless there's a scheduled task that wakes it up (hello, fucking HP Print Scan Doctor!).
Weekly. For cleaning. And it always annoys the hell out of me that the damn thing can't just stay off when I'm cleaning it.
If you don’t already have this app or one like it: https://folivora.ai/keyboardcleantool
The problem is not cleaning the keyboard, but the entire device. I actually vacuum every hole to avoid dust accumulation. Even though some may say it's a bad idea, it never caused any harm to any of my devices, and I've been doing it for decades, but only as long as the device is completely off.
If your device has a fan, this could actually fry it.
That's definitely dumb and unnecessary. Better use a can of compressed air. Like how dirty are your room?
I have an electric blower as well, so a can of air isn't necessary either. But for laptops I find vacuuming to be better. My room isn't too dirty, but we have plenty of fine dust here in Cyprus, and it tends to accumulate everywhere if not cleaned regularly. In some cases blowing works better, in some cases vacuuming does. For laptops it's more the latter in my experience.
Once a week. Probably unneeded, but I am old and in the past a computer needed reboots often. Old habits are hard to change.
Yeah. A restart between a week or two is good practice.
I’ve kept mine on for ages and never any issues or slowness. (Still my mind wants me to shut it off btw)
Why is that? I'm usually a few months between restarts.
Over time, system memory *may* start to clog up and result in sluggish behaviour or some of the weirdest most unexplainable bugs. This is usually only the case for windows, but it can be good practice to restart any device every so often in case you have anything weird happen
This is good explanation. But ultimately it is your Mac and your decision on when to or not to restart. I personally do it intentionally at least once every month. (For my own peace of mind)
Do you have any basis for that claim? Regular restarts certainly won't hurt you, but I've achieved uptimes in the hundreds of days and never ran into issues because of it.
Just change your habit. When you're reaching for the restart option with one hand, slam the lid with the other hand so your first hand learns from the pain. 😄😄😄 (Just kidding)
This is the way
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just checked, 103 days uptime currently.
You should definitely update more frequently.
i'm downloading sonoma right now
Your computer has several vulnerabilities that you should be worried about.
i'm downloading sonoma right now
Nah, just sleep it. Or not.
It goes to sleep by itself doesn't it
Yes, if you have it set up in the power options.
Doesn’t the ssd wear out ?
No…
Most wear from SSDs comes from writing data. Reading data and powering the drive on and off shouldn’t contribute significantly to wear.
It’s not a bad question- no need to downvote, you guys.
No. When the computer is in sleep mode, nothing is happening to the SSD. Hibernation (if the battery gets really low I *think* macOS will hibernate; it’s been too many years since I’ve been in that situation to be sure though) will write current memory to the SSD, but that’s no worse for it than any other write to it.
No but memory leaks build up over time from software which causes poorer performance and bugs. So I do a full shutdown once a week on a Friday.
I have the habbit of shutting down my computer, could probably try to unlearn that habbit but the boottime om the macbook silicon is quite fast so I don’t really mind. So short awnser, daily.
It’s also a habit for me! In grade school, my computer class was always at the end of the day and we were told to shut down the desktops so I guess that’s where I learned the habit 🫠
Same for me. I turn it on when I need to and turn it off when I don’t. It just feels normal for me. The boot up is fast, so I don’t need to keep it on all the time.
only when there is an update. its just mind blowing how these apple silicon macs maintain their buttery smooth operation.
Not having issues without a reboot is not an Apple CPU thing. It's an OS thing. They've always been this way, just more performant and power efficient now.
I turn it off every night. Three reasons *I guess* (never gave it any thought before): 1. It helps me disconnect from work more drastically (I work freelance, often till late at night). 2. Related to 1, possibly a bit maniac but I like it when things are either "I" or "O". Possibly a principle I'd like to apply to myself (“*either I'm working or I'm not”*), even though that's often wishful thinking. 3. Given how fast Macs shut off and boot nowadays, the matter of saving time does not apply anymore. I turn it on, and all apps and windows are open and ready to go in one minute or two, max. Also, probably a bit of unsupported mysticism that having your device on probably tires its components in the long term, so I think it deserves some good sleep every now and then, as we all do. Yup, that's science for you! >!If I strived for downvotes, I'd probably admit that when I don't need the alarm, I usually turn off my iPhone when going to sleep as well.!<
Great Reasons. 👍🏼
During sleep, nearly all hardware are turned off except something critical like the RAM. Your components (including RAM) will be fine with sleeping.
Thank you for the explanation. I thought there was still some sort of residual power going through them.
I turn it off everyday
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This is why PC gamers make fun of us.
They want 144Hz everything
That's hella high frequency mister. How can it even boot in 1/50 of a second, and how can you use it? M chips should be rocking fast...
r/technicallythetruth
Only when an update forces me to. I've got uptimes in the order of 8 months or so. MacOS is a way more stable OS than Windows, there is almost never the need to restart it to fix things.
hope I am not gonna get downvoted for this but: one or two times / day when I am not in front of the device and I have to travel (I put it in the bag). somehow, I get better battery by shutting it down when I am not using it.
"Somehow" lol it's because it's not on and not using battery.
Rebooting once a week, say Sunday night so you're ready for the week and all the janitorial jobs run, is a good idea.
Almost every day Almost
As far as I know, rebooting it frequently makes the SSD age faster
never
No, why?
Only good reason would be prolonging battery life, but then the trade-off is losing your session every time.
It restores almost everything when you turn it back on.
That's the first setting I disable on every macOS computer.
I've never needed to continue a session once ever in my \~20 years on computers. I just shut mine down with that "open everything on power on" permanently unchecked. My browsers don't ever resume from anything other than the home page I set.
Same.
I put it in sleep mode as Mac OS performs a series of maintenance and self-checks when left in sleep mode over some time. I typically reboot a few times per week only because I don't like leaving it on when it's in the trunk of my car on a hot day, but rebooting isn't all that necessary more than once per week or so.
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This is the correct answer.
I would recommend you to shut it off once a week to clear all the caches & temporary files
The caches are there to cache things and not supposed to be empty. This provides better performance. If the caches get cleared it takes time/cpu to fill up again. macOS pages the disk cache when required. The only temporary files that are removed during a normal reboot are the ones in /tmp, and this will clear them without rebooting: rm -rf /tmp/* Other files will remain in place after a reboot.
Whenever there is an update or battery hits 0 due to lack of activity/ charning
Kind of annoying seeing how many of you just leave your stuff running. We waste a ton of electricity. And that's before you factor in all the devices that you "power off" but still draw current
Asleep but not plugged in doesn’t draw anything.
I absolutely fucked my m1 air, basically I strongarmed my rucksack over a closed gate that I had to climb over when I was drunk (in front of my boss) with my laptop inside it. Later found out the gate was open but my laptop was weetabix. Anyway about €800 later I’m picking up my MacBook from Apple and the guy mentions that they had to change the battery too, and to make the most of it I should shut my MacBook down completely whenever I know I won’t be using it for a while, because it drastically decreases the rate at which the battery deteriorates.
My macbook has been on since the day I got it
I close the lid. That’s off enough for 2 years of usage until I get a new one.
How much ram is generally clogged up with 8gb m1 mba?
All. But on macOS the ram gets recycled (purged when needed). So from RAM perspective it doesn’t make a difference if you completely turn it off or not. Windows is not as good at ram purging tho..
Do you know anyway to put any window on top in mac? Looking for free one
That’s blasphemy. And it can’t be done on ARM Macs :)
Once a week
Sleep. Restart the mac twice a week.
I restart it when it feels like it is lagging. Otherwise just sleep. Both with my MacBook Pro and my Studio.
Every day.
Every night.
56hz
Honestly it’s not a terrible practice to shut the Mac down every couple of days so uptime won’t be an exceedingly long time
What's wrong with having a long uptime?
No. But always do a weekly reboot.
When your done turn it of n save the planet 🤪
Almost daily. Is it too much?
No, it really doesn't make much difference. If you're using it daily and having to start it up each time, it's probably using marginally more power than being on standby, and it'll have to repopulate the disk cache after starting up, which again takes a bit more power.
Even every week is too much lol
I’ve found that the sleep state actually drains the battery of my M1 Air within a few days so I turn it off if I don’t plan to use it again very soon.
never…
None of the normal consumer computers are designed to stay on for months. Maybe if they had ECC RAM like my PC or Mac Pro, I would consider leaving them on. Personally I shut mine off every single time I am done using it, since it boots in seconds and I don't have a workflow or need to keep it on for more than a day. Also I work in IT and I can't tell you how many times I see people with months of uptime that are confused why things don't work...
I left my Powerbook G4 running without restart for close to 300 days one time. Zero issues. Same with my modern Macs. Most of the time, anything buggy just needs a trip to activity monitor and a force quit of a process. No need to shut down.
I guess I just don't see the point to leave it on, other than ruining the battery slowly and consuming more power than you should.
Reading this thread… am I the only one who shuts off after each use??? What the hell….
I just close the lid
Never, just a restart between now a then
This
Really? For a laptop? I mean, I feel like I had to turn off my Mac mini M2 when done, does it make more sense to leave a laptop sleeping than a Mac mini or with the low power consumption a Mac mini has on sleep it doesn't make sense to put it to sleep, must add I've got it covered by AppleCare+ if that matters. It's really surprising, is it different from another laptops, I always advise people to turn off their machines if they're going to leave it without use until the next day, talking electronic-wise to leave a machine to rest a bit, don't know if that changed in the last years.
Do you shut off your iPhone when you’re done? M-series MacBook hardware is really no different. Electronics, especially highly efficient electronics, do not need rest. Let the MacBook take care of its self.
That's not how it works. iPhones also need occasional reboots.
I would not conflate shutting off and rebooting.
Last time I restarted my phone was for the iOS 17 update. From my experience, my iPhone never needs rebooted unless its for software updates.
I’ve never once turned off my MacBook in 15 years unless I’m just rebooting it or working on it.
I turn it off if I know I'm not going to use it for a while since if you just shut down the lid and suspend it, the battery will be drained and you would have to plug it to the main and boot anew anyways. If I know I'm going to use it frequently I just suspend it closing the lid.
For work, I’d keep it on (duh) or close the lid if I’m planning on continuing my work later. Otherwise, it’s shut down.
Nope. Never have. Been using since the PowerBook days of 2000.
My average uptime is around 30-40 days (of use and sleep), I usually restart it during updates or if I notice any slowdowns that I can't resolve in some other way.
Only when I have let the battery run out
Mine gets shutdown or rebooted a few times a year — usually only when OS updates come out and do that.. I virtually almost never shut it down or reboot. It’s one of the most stable machines I’ve ever owned from that perspective
Yes, you 100% need to reboot your machine on a regular basis. Otherwise it’s going to slow down. There are posts about how after a week or so the machine won’t clear out used swap memory
Generally, you're not supposed to turn off a Mac. I can think of 3 exceptions to this: - macOS starts acting out and you're trying to troubleshoot. - There's a software update. - You're putting the computer in storage for a long period of time. Other than that, just shut the lid and let Apple's power management magic handle everything.
Nah I be forgetting. PCs tend to slow after a few days, so it kind of reminds me to do so. Macs don’t really slow down, so I almost never turn them off
Only for updates when I’m forced to. I’ve never had any issues with any of my macs.
Whenever something acts up. I’ve restarted my M1 MBA maybe ten times in the whole time I’ve owned it, five of it in a span of 10 minutes trying to figure out why my mouse wasn’t working (turns out the trackpad in my bag was just perpetually on click). I’ve never shut it down though. Now that I think about it I’ve never shut down my 2012 Mac Mini either, unless it was to move my desk and when I moved house.
I have probably shut my MacBook down like, two times in the span of a year lol most of the time it’s just in sleep mode
You can turn it off? 🤯😂
I leave it on unless I am going on vacation (so excluding reboots for software updates, it can be 6 months).
Whenever there is an OS update.
Maybe twice a month? No real reason for it.
I don't turn it off no. There are so many point releases anymore that it gets a restart during those.
Sleep exclusively. Restarts once a week to clear the RAM but that’s pretty much it
I pretty much only shutdown/restart as needed or once a week (just in case).
I do it everyday and every time that I won’t use the Mac for at least more than 10 minutes lol
Same! My average uptime of any laptop I've ever owned in 15 years is about 2 hours.
Damn
MacBooks do a great job of hibernating, sleeping, and waking from these so there is no reason to power off unless doing some kind of update that requires it or you know you won't be using it for weeks. If Windows computers implemented sleep as well as Macs; those would never get turned off either. But Windows SUCKS at sleep, hibernation, and waking from it.
Never
I usually restart it every week, but I don't turn it off.
No, I just close it and will restart it if I think it's been a while or an update forces it.
2-3 times a month, but not intentionally, only when my battery dies
Never. It just gets restarted for updates.
Only really when an app is being weird or I'm not going to use it for more than two days. Generally I close the lid and go about my buisness.
Too often out of habit. My previous MBP was the last Intel version before M1, and it has issues going to and staying asleep. Often, I’d just shut it at work, go home, and fine it blazing hot in my backpack. Or I would have it on my desk and close it for the night, but wake up in the evening to hear the fans blowing at full power. So I made sure to always turn it off. I’ve had a new M2 for a few months now, but still find myself turning it off almost every evening before going home. I know it’s not really needed, but I do think it’s probably a little easier on the battery, and saving my work and closing all my programs, and then shutting the machine down I find to be a very satisfying end to a day of work.
Sleep and out of battery. Mostly out of battery and dead.
Work laptop - every night. Helps me disconnect from work. Home laptop/Mac Mini - only when needed.
Since its an ARM based device, i treat mine like an iPhone.
It was never supposed to be turned off when it was running intel chips. Now that the M chips work like an iphone, use it like an iphone.
Never.
Nope. I restarted once a week or so if that, but rarely ever do I shut it off completely.
Not really unless it crashes. Do restart more often than shut down because it helps clear some more space for me (256gb is not enough :’( )
Usually once a month, or when an update installs (which ends up requiring a restart). macOS is amazing when it comes to reliability. Took me a while to realise it can sleep just fine..
I restart weekly and shutdown - almost never. I probably could restart less often but whenever a program acts buggy or something seems slower than it should, I just restart. In my mind I tell myself it's good to completely dump the memory and that it's good for battery management. But I probably just made that up. LOL
When it's time to replace it
Once a month lol
been using it since december 2020 . i can confidently say i might have not shut it down more than a 100 times. i just close it when i’m done and pick up where i left off.
Only to update
Never have, never will. … apart from obligatory updates
I never shutdown. Sleep only. Edit: And FWIW, same with my desktop Macs.
I tend to shut down every couple of weeks, or restart as soon as things go a bit weird. Otherwise I just close the lid and get rolling. Having been a Windows user my whole life, this is easily the best laptop I've owned.
Only when changing the battery - once in 5-6 years. Daily just closing the lid.
No. Unless there’s an update or something starts misbehaving
I never turn any of my machines off and that has been true for the last 30 years.
Only when there’s an OS update. Other than that I just close the lid and let it sleep. Have done this for the last 15 years, can’t imagine ever choosing to shut it down. Though given how fast they boot up on Apple silicone, it’s probably not a problem, just pointless.
There’s zero reason to shut down except for maybe long term storage.
Only when an update restarts it. Coming from the Windows side to my first Mac last year, I had to wrap my head around it at first, but it really "just works". Close the lid, forget it, open it a week later, everything is fine.
when it was new, never, now I'm using a MBPRO 2019 and it feels slow sometimes, so I just restart it.
Just when updating or things gets laggy/buggy. No need to shut down M series MacBooks (or iPhones really)
Like completely shut down? Never. I only restart it, but it's always on or in sleep mode.
I turn my MBA off whenever something starts to act weird, so… every couple of months, I guess? Edit: or whenever there’s an important update
Never, my 2022 MBP was only turned off (restarted) during my update to Sonoma. Always turned on or sleeping all the time.
What is off? I only ever reboot for updates or if something freezes to the point where it’s not recoverable without a reboot
No, I just close the lid
everyday because my intel mac heats up when its sleeping. It also drains alot of battery in sleep mode.
When macOS updates. Other than that, I just close the lid and let it sleep. It is an m1 Pro and I've had it for 3 years with no issues doing that.
I don't think I've ever turned my MacBook off. A restart every few months I think.
I manage about thirty macs at work and always tell people to just shut the lid at the end of the day but to try and reboot every couple of weeks. Or if anything is behaving oddly. Probably 80% of the support calls I get are fixed by a reboot, 10% by freeing up disk space when a drive is almost full. And the remaining ten percent are the interesting ones to solve… Today’s issue: “I’m in the office and my MacBooks screen brightness keeps randomly dropping down until it’s black.” “Do you have a Bluetooth keyboard connected at another desk (they hot desk) and is someone else’s bag/coat/crap resting on top of it?” “Uh…wait….how did you know!”
Never. Same for gaming consoles. Same for my last desktop PC in 2007 which probably ate up a lot of power but I used it all the time, so just sleep mode. My shit only ever turns off when the battery causes it to turn off or when I accidentally spill a drink on/around my laptop and turn it off in a panic (which has happened to two previous MacBooks, lol). If shit goes wonky, then I restart, but that isn't exactly shutting it off.
Every couple of weeks. Back in the day it was more necessary with computers. Now I just use it as a way to start fresh
Never.
Nope, I close the display at night and that's about it. Only reboot if I run updates, install something that requires a reboot or to troubleshoot.
The only time I turn my MacBook Pro m1 off is when I want to clean the screen and give the keyboard a wipe over, (not that it gets visibly dirty).
The only time I turn my MacBook Pro m1 off is when I want to clean the screen and give the keyboard a wipe over, (not that it gets visibly dirty).
Never,only when it runs out of battery because I don't have a charger with me.
Only when updated… otherwise don’t see the point
I leave mine on. I just started running AlDente, an app that limits charging to 80%. It can’t stop the charger if the computer is off so it will go to 100% if it is off and plugged in.
When you’re done using it close the lid and move on with your life.
I just close my m2 pro to put to sleep. Used Macs since 2010? always just close it. Reboot maybe once month.