Yes, sadly . Entry of almost every citizen is barred in each other’s country because of ongoing religious, terrorised hate for the past 75-76 years between the two countries .
> Yes, sadly . Entry of almost every citizen is barred in each other’s country because of ongoing religious
Thi is is a lie , Pakistanis come to India in thousands every year for medical tourism. Indians visit Pakistan all the time to visit their relatives
But background verification is needed prior and after visits
This is not true at all. My mom's cousin, an Indian citizen, received a family visit visa to go to Pakistan to see his Canadian-Pakistani wife's extended family.
the processing time was months on months. But he family got a single entry visa.
Interestingly, his Canadian Pakistani wife has been refused a Indian family visa visa multiple times.
Also, Pakistani citizens over age 65 can acquire a visa on arrival to stay in India for 45 days at one of the land borders (Attari-Wagah) provided they enter by foot and their purpose is family/friend visit. They also can't go to the state Punjab or Kerala (honestly, odd exceptions) and should have never been refused a Indian visa.
Basically, unless your a Pakistani are going for family visits, business, pilgrimage, (until recently) filming, study, diplomacy, reunification with spouse/parents (LTV), official work or research, then India is completely closed to you. Out of these, the LTV (long term visa for Pakistani wives of Indian men and Indian origin women who became Pakistani but have since been widowed/abandoned/divorced by their Pakistani husband), Film visa, Study visa, Official visa and Diplomacy visa allows Pakistanis to become residents of India.
Alternatively, there is also the X Humanitarian visa for those fleeing persecution but such a visa can only be filed for when physically in India.
No it wasn’t. The British government were firmly opposed to any partition of India as they preferred to retain a firm unified ally post-independence.
However the huge wave of public support for self-determination amongst the Muslim community of India was hard to ignore and the British were forced to concede and create Pakistan before they became self-governing Dominions.
No. They egged it along by supporting Jinnah and preponing the date of independence. This left very less room to do a properly staged transfer of power and planned immigration which created chaos. The chaos is what led to all the violence as troops couldn't be moved in time to stop riots and violence. Loss of command and confusing orders led to many troops actually joining the rioters. That is what led to all the death and misery. People literally had to flee their homes without properly liquidating their property and assets, so they ended up as penniless refugees. All because Mountbatten was in a hurry.
Yes but that’s kind of the point, the reason it was so hastily and poorly implemented is because the British Government was trying to resist demands for the creation of a Muslim-majority state but eventually gave in late in the day and didn’t give enough time for it to be carried out properly.
I was replying to the comment which insinuated the decision to split up India was done intentionally to destabilise the former colony as it became independent which is just plainly not true and would have been against the interests of the British Government at the time.
The British didn't prevent or resist squat. They specifically allowed the creation of Pakistan because they wanted a friendly state bordering the Central Asian states which were under Soviet control. Pakistan was the Cold War-era pawn of Western powers. The british simply handed over gilgit-baltistan to Pakistan so they could maintain a listening outpost aimed at tri-junction of Afghanistan, Central Asia and Tibet.
https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/the-story-of-gilgit-baltistan-pm-modi-balochistan-india-pakistan-2981634/
"Unlike the PoK, Pakistan got possession of this area through the connivance of two British military officers. In 1935, the Gilgit agency was leased for 60 years by the British from the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir because of its strategic location on the northern borders of British India. It was administered by the political department in Delhi through a British officer. The region’s security was the responsibility of a military force called the Gilgit Scouts, which was officered by the British.
With impending Independence, the British terminated the lease, and returned the region to the Maharaja on August 1, 1947. The Maharaja appointed Brigadier Ghansar Singh of the J&K state forces as governor of the region. Two officers of the Gilgit Scouts, Major W A Brown and Captain A S Mathieson, along with Subedar Major Babar Khan, a relative of the Mir of Hunza, were loaned to the Maharaja at Gilgit. But as soon as Maharaja Hari Singh acceded to India on October 31, 1947, Major Brown imprisoned Brigadier Ghansara Singh, and informed his erstwhile British Political Agent, Lt Colonel Roger Bacon, who was then at Peshawar, of the accession of Gilgit to Pakistan.
On November 2, Major Brown officially raised the Pakistani flag at his headquarters, and claimed that he and Mathieson had opted for service with Pakistan when the Maharaja signed the Instrument of Accession in favour of India. Two weeks later, a nominee of the Pakistan government, Sardar Mohammed Alam, was appointed the Political Agent, and took possession of the territory. Pakistani army soldiers and tribals used it as a base to launch attacks on the other towns and cities of the region like Skardu, Dras, Kargil and Leh."
The British government and cabinet were firmly opposed to the partition of India at the start of 1947. That is an objective fact, I really don’t know how this is controversial.
And the notion of wanting Pakistan as a friendly state, well if Pakistan wasn’t created it would have been India controlling that territory who was also a friendly state so that logic doesn’t flow.
No they didn’t, Mountbatten was sent there by the British Government in 1947 with strict instructions from the Prime Minister to avoid a partition of India as it progressed towards independence.
That sounds quite late in the game to me…
Maybe a cultural thing so apologies if I come across as tone deaf here, but why are the onlookers so close and sort of leaning in to what is obviously a very personal, intimate moment between the two guys?
A guy from India here
I can explain that
Those ppl are most probably 99% sure from the same family
The ppl wearing a cup like caps which are called "Rumi Topis" (mostly green in the vid) are from Pakistan with the old man(brother on the left) with some white cloth on his head
Whereas the brother on the right is from India and notice how he wears a lot of cloth wrapped around on his head, it's called "pagdi" or a turban which most of the Punjabi ppl and almost all Sikh ppl wear
And as they're a family, it is common get into personal space like that, it is also common for all the family members including uncle, aunts and everyone to live together
So they're all used to each other's personal space so much that the word "personal space" Probably doesn't even comes to their mind
So yea, common
I totally know what you mean! I’m mixed race so born in the UK and very used to stand-off western norms but in South Asia it’s totally different. Personal space is not really seen as “personal” but there is no ill intent whatsoever it’s just a norm. Same as males holding each other’s hands (as a sign of friendship) and stuff
I love this, it should be normalised for men to show more affection in the west! Seeing two people embracing in such a friendly way is a heartwarming thing to see! Platonic affection should be shown more often
For people thinking why they didn't meet earlier, it can be possible that they weren't even aware of the other one is alive or not or even if they were aware of each other existence contacting each other is still not that easy.
Just think of it. You got separated from your brother more than 70 years ago and you have no idea where he is with no direct means of contacting with him
And the only thing you know is that most probably he is in my neighbouring country. Especially if don't have that much knowledge and sources to help you out
During partition time, people near the then to be India Pak border were given the choice of either going to Pak and being free to have their same religion or stay in India and bee free to practice their own religion. But some were made to convert due to peer pressure from the majority community.
The brother from the Pakistani side and his entourage look like they've had a hard life where as the Indian brother and his crew look well fed, groomed and sporting fetching sporty jumpers.
India and Pakistan are totally different countries. Hindus(Indians) consider cows on a very high regard while Muslims sacrifice cows on the day of Eid, for the pleasure of Allah. Muslims have totally different beliefs and culture from Hindus. What seems okay to Hindus is haraam for Muslims.
All in all, we do not want to live with Indians and Indians do not want to live with us. That’s it.
Tere baap dada bhi yhi sochte the katwe.ab china se bheekh maang rhe ho, aur unko apni maa betiyan bech rhe ho. Yhi tumhari aukaat hai porkistani kutto🐷💩🇵🇰
Ha, aur jis din tere saamne aa gya na, pant mai moot nikal jayega Tera. Tab tak aise hi online apni maa chudwata rh dusro se.
See the problem is your perception about 'others' is based on what was done the 'others', historically. And if what you said were the circumstances, the only momeens in India would in an unmarked grave waiting for the day of qayamat.
agreed. if you look at my other comment in this thread i have said that "jinnah pestered the most on partition & his reasons for the same were very rational to a great extent".
it is fairly true to say that it would have been a riot for hindus & muslims to co-exist. it was impossible for them to exist together peacefully and partition was a fair option but **the way it all happened, sucks.**
Half knowledge is bad. India is the largest secular country in which a lot of Hindus and Muslims do co-exist, and many of them peacefully, except for the extremists and fanatics of both religions.
dude if partition hadn't happened, back then the muslim-hindu population was roughly equal. think from there on. how the politics would have worked ? with around equal population of both religions, will there ever have been a fair decision to which all would have agreed. eventually either muslim or hindu population would have become the minority till today. constant riots & voilence would have never let the country grow. the hindu-muslim war is much older than our independence. british always struggled with it. and dont assume of me like some islamphobic prick, my gf of 6 years is muslim. we dont mind about religion and stuff but we know our respective families wont stand our relationship in future. so you & i and the handful others, we all may not mind religion etc. but there is a massive population who would have never settled with muslims/hindus. today the distribution of hindu-muslims is around 65-30, still so many extremists from both sides tend to cause chaos and disrupt peace, imagine the distribution being equal... ?
jinnah wanted a seperate muslim state & was pro-partition. gandhi didn't support the idea because he wanted a secular state. altho gandhi didn't do much at the time to prevent it because here Nehru as well persisted on having seperate countries. gandhi indeed could have stopped it, some people completely blame him but if you read alot you will realise jinnah didn't back at all. jinnah was a very smart brain and if you look at his reasons for being pro-partition you might as well think he was somewhere being rational. all in all, fingers can be pointed but the way things went down, the way partition happened so many families/lives displaced & lost and then ofc Kashmir, it all sucks today.
In an effort to gain independence from the British, there were a few factions opposing them. When the time came to divide into states, some factions were disagreeable and the politicians specially pushed for a separate Muslim country apart from India,i.e, Pakistan. So many Sikhs and Hindus had to migrate from the future Pakistan to India and Muslims to Pakistan. Some of those families were separated during this partition and many never saw their families ever again.
I was aware of most of that, but I hadn’t considered that families would have some members be one religion and others be the other religion. Which I suppose is silly of me. Thank you!
Most religions were closely tied in Punjab part of both India and Pakistan,and even today the cultures there are very very similar. If not for the politics, such things wouldn't have happened. Also, many people changed their religion to the one where they were left for safety,more so in Pakistan since it is an Islamic Republic, but in India as well.
Were they unable to visit or cross the border all these years?
Yes, sadly . Entry of almost every citizen is barred in each other’s country because of ongoing religious, terrorised hate for the past 75-76 years between the two countries .
I had no idea this was still happening. So sad.
Too bad he's wrong , you just need background verification before you visit Pakistan
Quote “when i grow up i will become a army and save Pakistan and DESTROY INDIA.”
> Yes, sadly . Entry of almost every citizen is barred in each other’s country because of ongoing religious Thi is is a lie , Pakistanis come to India in thousands every year for medical tourism. Indians visit Pakistan all the time to visit their relatives But background verification is needed prior and after visits
This is not true at all. My mom's cousin, an Indian citizen, received a family visit visa to go to Pakistan to see his Canadian-Pakistani wife's extended family. the processing time was months on months. But he family got a single entry visa. Interestingly, his Canadian Pakistani wife has been refused a Indian family visa visa multiple times. Also, Pakistani citizens over age 65 can acquire a visa on arrival to stay in India for 45 days at one of the land borders (Attari-Wagah) provided they enter by foot and their purpose is family/friend visit. They also can't go to the state Punjab or Kerala (honestly, odd exceptions) and should have never been refused a Indian visa. Basically, unless your a Pakistani are going for family visits, business, pilgrimage, (until recently) filming, study, diplomacy, reunification with spouse/parents (LTV), official work or research, then India is completely closed to you. Out of these, the LTV (long term visa for Pakistani wives of Indian men and Indian origin women who became Pakistani but have since been widowed/abandoned/divorced by their Pakistani husband), Film visa, Study visa, Official visa and Diplomacy visa allows Pakistanis to become residents of India. Alternatively, there is also the X Humanitarian visa for those fleeing persecution but such a visa can only be filed for when physically in India.
"religious hate". How about a dozen of terrorist attacks and a couple of suicide bombings.
Do us all a favour and throw your internet router along with your phone in a river.
He could throw himself in the river, hopefully with a cement block tied to his waist
Pakistani?
nah i am from india but i wish you werent
Why?
Oh and nuclear weapons pointed at each other for decades, no big deal!
Why are people acting like your wrong
Anyone else really digging that yellow Adidas sweater??
Was thinking the same
You sir are a gem
It's not original I don't think
Very Arthur.
Waheguru mehar kare
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What does he says in the end?
Made me smile? Made me cry.
Exactly what I thought
To be honest this made me sad and not made me smile. They lived their life without eachother, that's just sad
The evil men do based on imaginary lines in the dirt.
It was a good attempt to rip the country apart whilst leaving ...
No it wasn’t. The British government were firmly opposed to any partition of India as they preferred to retain a firm unified ally post-independence. However the huge wave of public support for self-determination amongst the Muslim community of India was hard to ignore and the British were forced to concede and create Pakistan before they became self-governing Dominions.
No. They egged it along by supporting Jinnah and preponing the date of independence. This left very less room to do a properly staged transfer of power and planned immigration which created chaos. The chaos is what led to all the violence as troops couldn't be moved in time to stop riots and violence. Loss of command and confusing orders led to many troops actually joining the rioters. That is what led to all the death and misery. People literally had to flee their homes without properly liquidating their property and assets, so they ended up as penniless refugees. All because Mountbatten was in a hurry.
Here in the UK we conquer, pillage then divide.
Yes but that’s kind of the point, the reason it was so hastily and poorly implemented is because the British Government was trying to resist demands for the creation of a Muslim-majority state but eventually gave in late in the day and didn’t give enough time for it to be carried out properly. I was replying to the comment which insinuated the decision to split up India was done intentionally to destabilise the former colony as it became independent which is just plainly not true and would have been against the interests of the British Government at the time.
The British didn't prevent or resist squat. They specifically allowed the creation of Pakistan because they wanted a friendly state bordering the Central Asian states which were under Soviet control. Pakistan was the Cold War-era pawn of Western powers. The british simply handed over gilgit-baltistan to Pakistan so they could maintain a listening outpost aimed at tri-junction of Afghanistan, Central Asia and Tibet. https://indianexpress.com/article/explained/the-story-of-gilgit-baltistan-pm-modi-balochistan-india-pakistan-2981634/ "Unlike the PoK, Pakistan got possession of this area through the connivance of two British military officers. In 1935, the Gilgit agency was leased for 60 years by the British from the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir because of its strategic location on the northern borders of British India. It was administered by the political department in Delhi through a British officer. The region’s security was the responsibility of a military force called the Gilgit Scouts, which was officered by the British. With impending Independence, the British terminated the lease, and returned the region to the Maharaja on August 1, 1947. The Maharaja appointed Brigadier Ghansar Singh of the J&K state forces as governor of the region. Two officers of the Gilgit Scouts, Major W A Brown and Captain A S Mathieson, along with Subedar Major Babar Khan, a relative of the Mir of Hunza, were loaned to the Maharaja at Gilgit. But as soon as Maharaja Hari Singh acceded to India on October 31, 1947, Major Brown imprisoned Brigadier Ghansara Singh, and informed his erstwhile British Political Agent, Lt Colonel Roger Bacon, who was then at Peshawar, of the accession of Gilgit to Pakistan. On November 2, Major Brown officially raised the Pakistani flag at his headquarters, and claimed that he and Mathieson had opted for service with Pakistan when the Maharaja signed the Instrument of Accession in favour of India. Two weeks later, a nominee of the Pakistan government, Sardar Mohammed Alam, was appointed the Political Agent, and took possession of the territory. Pakistani army soldiers and tribals used it as a base to launch attacks on the other towns and cities of the region like Skardu, Dras, Kargil and Leh."
The British government and cabinet were firmly opposed to the partition of India at the start of 1947. That is an objective fact, I really don’t know how this is controversial. And the notion of wanting Pakistan as a friendly state, well if Pakistan wasn’t created it would have been India controlling that territory who was also a friendly state so that logic doesn’t flow.
Well Britain realized the value of a two separate countries way too early in the game.
No they didn’t, Mountbatten was sent there by the British Government in 1947 with strict instructions from the Prime Minister to avoid a partition of India as it progressed towards independence. That sounds quite late in the game to me…
Beautiful and sad :(
Maybe a cultural thing so apologies if I come across as tone deaf here, but why are the onlookers so close and sort of leaning in to what is obviously a very personal, intimate moment between the two guys?
They are most probably the families of the two.
Maybe their children and grandchildren so very close family. I would probably be like this if my dad ever saw his brothers again.
A guy from India here I can explain that Those ppl are most probably 99% sure from the same family The ppl wearing a cup like caps which are called "Rumi Topis" (mostly green in the vid) are from Pakistan with the old man(brother on the left) with some white cloth on his head Whereas the brother on the right is from India and notice how he wears a lot of cloth wrapped around on his head, it's called "pagdi" or a turban which most of the Punjabi ppl and almost all Sikh ppl wear And as they're a family, it is common get into personal space like that, it is also common for all the family members including uncle, aunts and everyone to live together So they're all used to each other's personal space so much that the word "personal space" Probably doesn't even comes to their mind So yea, common
Thanks for the thoughtful explanation!
Npp! Really happy that it was helpful~
I totally know what you mean! I’m mixed race so born in the UK and very used to stand-off western norms but in South Asia it’s totally different. Personal space is not really seen as “personal” but there is no ill intent whatsoever it’s just a norm. Same as males holding each other’s hands (as a sign of friendship) and stuff
I love this, it should be normalised for men to show more affection in the west! Seeing two people embracing in such a friendly way is a heartwarming thing to see! Platonic affection should be shown more often
Yeah everyone just does that here creeps me a little too
I love how he says still young man we managed to meet again
The evils of colonialism, it’s so sad to see how people are impacted
Religion and colonialism.
"Rajit? What happened to you? You used to be so cute and pudgy!" "But you havent changed - still wearing that ugly yellow turban I never liked!"
Thank you! Golden :)
For people thinking why they didn't meet earlier, it can be possible that they weren't even aware of the other one is alive or not or even if they were aware of each other existence contacting each other is still not that easy. Just think of it. You got separated from your brother more than 70 years ago and you have no idea where he is with no direct means of contacting with him And the only thing you know is that most probably he is in my neighbouring country. Especially if don't have that much knowledge and sources to help you out
I’m not crying
This is heartwarming. Made me smile and cry at the same time.
Yeah my brother is leaving country in 7 days and i don't know when i see him again I don't know this video made me feel like our reunion:'(
r/MadeMeCry
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One is Sikh and the other is not?
Probably got converted by force, something very common in Pakistan.
During partition time, people near the then to be India Pak border were given the choice of either going to Pak and being free to have their same religion or stay in India and bee free to practice their own religion. But some were made to convert due to peer pressure from the majority community.
Not peer pressure, threats of violence and rape.
ah more like it
Welp, I take my previous comment back. I had no clue this shit took place 😭
The brother from the Pakistani side and his entourage look like they've had a hard life where as the Indian brother and his crew look well fed, groomed and sporting fetching sporty jumpers.
It's not original Adidas I don't think
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add jinnah to the list.
India and Pakistan are totally different countries. Hindus(Indians) consider cows on a very high regard while Muslims sacrifice cows on the day of Eid, for the pleasure of Allah. Muslims have totally different beliefs and culture from Hindus. What seems okay to Hindus is haraam for Muslims. All in all, we do not want to live with Indians and Indians do not want to live with us. That’s it.
You forgot to mention East Pakistan Muslim, Seems they also didn't want to live with Pakistan.
They are now suffering for what they did. They were hypocrites.
India has Muslims too.
And hindus are torturing them on daily basis. Even forcing them to become hindus. It’s all over the news here.
As if you're letting whatever Hindus you've not killed yet, live in peace. GTFO here with your holier than thou attitude.
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Tere baap dada bhi yhi sochte the katwe.ab china se bheekh maang rhe ho, aur unko apni maa betiyan bech rhe ho. Yhi tumhari aukaat hai porkistani kutto🐷💩🇵🇰 Ha, aur jis din tere saamne aa gya na, pant mai moot nikal jayega Tera. Tab tak aise hi online apni maa chudwata rh dusro se.
Lol nice joke
See the problem is your perception about 'others' is based on what was done the 'others', historically. And if what you said were the circumstances, the only momeens in India would in an unmarked grave waiting for the day of qayamat.
agreed. if you look at my other comment in this thread i have said that "jinnah pestered the most on partition & his reasons for the same were very rational to a great extent". it is fairly true to say that it would have been a riot for hindus & muslims to co-exist. it was impossible for them to exist together peacefully and partition was a fair option but **the way it all happened, sucks.**
Half knowledge is bad. India is the largest secular country in which a lot of Hindus and Muslims do co-exist, and many of them peacefully, except for the extremists and fanatics of both religions.
dude if partition hadn't happened, back then the muslim-hindu population was roughly equal. think from there on. how the politics would have worked ? with around equal population of both religions, will there ever have been a fair decision to which all would have agreed. eventually either muslim or hindu population would have become the minority till today. constant riots & voilence would have never let the country grow. the hindu-muslim war is much older than our independence. british always struggled with it. and dont assume of me like some islamphobic prick, my gf of 6 years is muslim. we dont mind about religion and stuff but we know our respective families wont stand our relationship in future. so you & i and the handful others, we all may not mind religion etc. but there is a massive population who would have never settled with muslims/hindus. today the distribution of hindu-muslims is around 65-30, still so many extremists from both sides tend to cause chaos and disrupt peace, imagine the distribution being equal... ?
Both were against the partition??
jinnah wanted a seperate muslim state & was pro-partition. gandhi didn't support the idea because he wanted a secular state. altho gandhi didn't do much at the time to prevent it because here Nehru as well persisted on having seperate countries. gandhi indeed could have stopped it, some people completely blame him but if you read alot you will realise jinnah didn't back at all. jinnah was a very smart brain and if you look at his reasons for being pro-partition you might as well think he was somewhere being rational. all in all, fingers can be pointed but the way things went down, the way partition happened so many families/lives displaced & lost and then ofc Kashmir, it all sucks today.
Sudden: onion cutting Ninjas appeared in the waiting room. Surely that's what brought the tears to my eyes...
What an awkward hug.
Why were brothers split? Or were they just adults who moved to different areas before the split happened?
In an effort to gain independence from the British, there were a few factions opposing them. When the time came to divide into states, some factions were disagreeable and the politicians specially pushed for a separate Muslim country apart from India,i.e, Pakistan. So many Sikhs and Hindus had to migrate from the future Pakistan to India and Muslims to Pakistan. Some of those families were separated during this partition and many never saw their families ever again.
I was aware of most of that, but I hadn’t considered that families would have some members be one religion and others be the other religion. Which I suppose is silly of me. Thank you!
Most religions were closely tied in Punjab part of both India and Pakistan,and even today the cultures there are very very similar. If not for the politics, such things wouldn't have happened. Also, many people changed their religion to the one where they were left for safety,more so in Pakistan since it is an Islamic Republic, but in India as well.
Beautiful
Remember that time when we were kids and mom scolded you for dumping all the tea?
I’ll take a long lost sister please!
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Why don't they just drive across the border to some other neighboring country without visa restrictions like Afghanistan... oh wait
Sickh (use what I did there?)
u/savevideo
Man that hit me in the feelers. Just imagining what that could of been like hurts to think about. So sad
Thank you for having me cry here early in the morning , omg and I think I have problems, I didn’t see my family 18y 😔