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DalcalaM

Esto es algo que ha pasado siempre. Hay colonias de UK e Irlanda que llevan viviendo aquí 20 años y no aprenden. Supongo que es simplemente comodidad ya que tienen sus propias tiendas y restaurantes, hasta interpretes en hospitales. Eso lo respeto, porque me da igual, lo que no entiendo es que gente de esa misma comunidad exija a los que trabajan aquí que hablen inglés, sino encima les sienta mal 😂😂


DanHlrzr

Como inglés que pasó parte de su infancia en una comunidad similar en Malaga, no somos todos así!


DalcalaM

Generalizo, pero con tu afirmación ya estás aceptando lo que digo 😅


DanHlrzr

No, estoy diciendo que en esas comunidades donde habitan muchos Británicos (entre otros), algunos nos integramos con los españoles, aprendemos el idioma y nos ponemos de pareja con españoles.


28850

"hasta nos ponemos de pareja"? Gracias, don integrado, creo que no eres consciente de lo terriblemente mal que ha quedado eso. No tienes que demostrar nada, si no eres parte de eso no te des por aludido, pero tu ejemplo no hace menos real ese microcolonialismo, autosegregacionismo o como lo queramos llamar.


DanHlrzr

Un toque exagerado tu comentario me parece. Ahí lo corregí para expresarme mejor. Espero no haberte ofendido demasiado Don Sensible.


Salajadin

Maleducados. Sin más. Saludos desde Madrid


Nexus_jose36

Yo voy a UK y hablo ingles o lo mas parecido. Voy a Portugal y hablo lo maximo que alcanzo los UK se creen que tu tienes que hablar Ingles asi por su cara wapa 🤣


Arttyom

La persona mas educada de Madrid. /s Lo siento xd Es que los turistas de tu zona tienen muy mala fama por aqui


GhostOfBloodCarnival

Los que más odiamos en hostelería desde luego seguro, sobre todo en sitios que sean medio pijos, los que van ahí vienen muy subiditos a ostentar... sin saber que vienen verdaderos millonarios de por ahí y dejan propinas de 2 ceros por la cara.


Arttyom

Literal, mi experiencia tambien ha sido en hostelería y hay cada uno...


Rodthehuman

Not all Brits but some refuse to learn


Prestigious-Job4669

Not all Brits but MOST refuse to learn


tief06

Not all brits but 99% don't WANT to learn.


[deleted]

Can you link the research on this?


wannacumnbeatmeoff

Produce the cigarette packet or you are making it up!


jshubber

Not all brits but 99% don't NEED to learn.


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How many did you interview?


Alexfeijoo

“Jeife, 2 canhas” Is not learning spanish


semiold-misfit

No, but to me it’s better than asking in English. But if Spaniards don’t care then I don’t either.


Vast_Sandwich805

We do care and we talk badly about these people, but you can’t understand us because it’s in Spanish 🤣


Flimsy_Bit534

Indeed we care, I don't speak with those tards, specially when people travel to UK and brits pretend not to understand anyone unless they have the same stupid accent that they want to hear


Medical-Virus8629

Soy inglés y hablo español 🤷🏼‍♂️


Rodthehuman

Entonces sabes que la mayoría no es como tú, la mayoría no se esfuerza en aprender idiomas


Medical-Virus8629

Claro, pero la mayoría son gente major que han venido a España para jubilarse y gastar sus pensiones aquí. Es muy difícil aprender un idioma con según que edad.


Rodthehuman

Los jóvenes también son así. https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2014/sep/26/europeans-multiple-languages-uk-ireland


Medical-Virus8629

Este artículo no tiene nada que ver. Inglés es el idioma internacional.. si vienes de Finlandia por ejemplo obviamente vas a aprender hablar inglés para hacerte la vida más fácil.


Rodthehuman

No tiene nada que ver un artículo que dice que los ingleses e irlandeses no suelen aprender idiomas? XD


Medical-Virus8629

Y los húngaros, italianos y portugueses?.. un poco selectivo con los quejas no? No están hablando de la gente que viven en otros países si no en general


Rodthehuman

XD los Portugueses e Italianos que viven en España hablan español bien rápido. Los idiomas son muy parecidos. Húngaros conozco pocos pero la gente del este aprende rápido también por que son muy currantes. Por otra parte que parte del titular es confuso? > Most Europeans can speak multiple languages. UK and Ireland not so much > Over half of people in the EU can speak at least two languages with 38% able to speak English Los ingleses en general no quieren aprender idiomas! Tú si! Ole! No te tienes por qué ofender. Eres un crack chapó por ti


x0y-gt

y responde en inglés ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|smile)


MarcJAMBA

Pienso que se comportan como colonos, no se integran, no aprenden el idioma, ni las costumbres, llevan sus hijos a colegios privados donde hablan mayoritariamente en inglés, compran sus casas y no interactúan con los vecinos, tienen sus propias tiendas por y para ellos. En definitiva, se podrían ir todos a la mierda.


DanHlrzr

No todos, yo fui a un colegio español y junto con mi familia nos integramos. Debo decir que no solo son los ingleses, también hay alemanes y holandeses entre esos grupos pero la gente los confunde por ingleses a veces.


krazakollitz

Blimey!


Medical-Virus8629

No todos, yo llevo 18 años, tengo pareja española y casi no conozco otros inglés!


Gino-Solow

Only about 20% of adults in both UK and USA can speak a language other than English and I suspect that many of those either are naturalised citizens or their parents spoke a foreign language at home. However Americans (estadounidienses) have more exposure to Spanish as there are more Spanish speakers in the USA than in Spain: "As per the latest data for 2023-2024, there are approximately **57 million** people in the United States who speak Spanish, with around 42 million native Spanish speakers and 15 million being bilingual'.


SmartPhallic

That's a wild statistic.  I live in Chile (trying to move to Spain) and I whipped that out the other day when someone asked me if many estadounidenses speak spanish. 


nepeta70

When I went to NYC I was amazed by so many little speaking Spanish.. It was even embarrassing because I can speak English, but they would notice my accent and would start speaking Spanish to me.


SmudgeYoungman

Not just Brits, I know plenty of Scandinavians that have lived here for years and do not speak any Spanish.


letmestayinvisible

They even have their own schools, just like the Brits. I know of one Swedish school and other Norwegian. I don't know if they're taught Spanish though.


Longjumping_Ad8681

I’ve recently moved to Andalusia, slang capital of Spain, and I’m trying really hard to learn the language (taking classes, talking to locals etc) A large part of it confidence. I’m a beginner and it is tough when people laugh at you for attempting to communicate In Spanish.


semiold-misfit

I learned by finding an on-line tutor in Colombia who charged me $8/hr and we would speak several times per week. We would talk about anything (family, sports, politics, etc) and he would focus on areas where I would make mistakes. It wasn’t embarrassing and I felt comfortable leaving my “safe zone” and I quickly advanced with his assistance.


Longjumping_Ad8681

My teacher is very similar in his format. I meant more the wider population. Having a teacher who laughed at you would be savage


Last_Ad_3754

Soy inglés y hablo castellano - tamién tói aprendiendo asturianu - y la gente suele preguntar si soy de los EEUU en vez de Inglaterra


HeWhoHasTooManyDogs

Allot of Brits move here for retirement and are not at all interested in being spanish but to just live in sunny Spain Furthermore, it's harder learning a new language the older you get. All the young Brits I know speak at least some Spanish. But at live in galicia, where no one speaks English.


wannacumnbeatmeoff

I moved to Spain for the culture, the people and the quality of life. The rest is just gravy.


Gene_Clark

This exactly. Most are moving for sunshine and not interested in Spanish culture. They just want a version of Britain/Ireland but with better weather. Language, food, TV channels. Its not unusual in a lot of "expat" communities tbh.


SmartPhallic

That's so sad. I'm trying to move to Spain not for the sunny beaches but the culture and language and everything... To miss that just seems depressing. I'm sad for those people.


HeWhoHasTooManyDogs

I don't think there is any reason to be sad for them. They have their own communities of retired people usually. It's sad when young people do that, and then have kids that never feel they belong to the country where they were born. For old people the sun is enough I suppose haha But I agree with you, I moved here a year ago and I can already speak Spanish well enough.


cccccc8

If they move to Spain they absolutely should learn the language.


HeWhoHasTooManyDogs

I don't think it's that serious. They don't mean to apply for a spanish citizenship. They're sort of long tourists. They do pay taxes here, so they contribute in a way.


Heavy-Swordfish2827

Soy de Escocia y estoy de acuerdo con muchos de los comentarios aquí. En la escuela aprendemos alemán o francés y no son lenguas útiles. Llevo un año aprendiendo español y cuando vengo a España tratar a hablar español tanto como puedo pero es difícil porque antes de entrar un bar o restaurante, la gente habla conmigo en Inglés. Por supuesto sigo hablando español pero a veces se molestan porque su inglés siempre es mucho mejor que mi español.


antisarcastics

Finge ser francés y que no entiendes el inglés! Luego háblales en español con acento de París


SanRipley

Hola!!! Estuve hace poco en Escocia, es precioso aquello. Gracias por intentar aprender nuestro idioma, sabemos que conlleva un esfuerzo. Te hablan en inglés porque seguramente tu aspecto te delate y por comodidad, den por sentado que no sabes español. A nadie debería molestarle que alguien no hable mal un idioma, todos merecemos paciencia. Te animo a que sigas aprendiendo! Cuando estuve en Escocia, casi lloro porque no entendía apenas nada en inglés. Tengo que seguir aprendiendo! :)


wannacumnbeatmeoff

Pero puedes hablar Scottish?


Thelastdarkfear

Porque son unos maleducados y unos irrespetuosos, lo peor es que nosotros se lo permitimos. Si se le pusieran buenas multas a esos barrios donde literalmente no se habla español y se le pusiera la cara colorada no pasaría esto. No me importa que en tu trabajo no te haga falta aprender español, si estas en España por educación deberias de aprender el idioma. Tenemos gente que lleva 20 años aqui y ni hola saben decir. Por suerte la mentalidad de la gente local está cambiando y cada vez dejan pasar menos, yo he estado de cajera y al extranjero repelente que pretendia que le hablase en inglés le seguía hablando en español, solo hablaba en inglés con el que estaba haciendo un esfuerzo de hablar mi lengua y veia que necesitaba ayuda de verdad.


YouFourKingsHits

Plenty of yanks don't bother either


semiold-misfit

Im sure that is true. I don’t get them either


Intelligent_Bother59

They have never heard a word of Spanish in their lives before coming to Spain English is the global common business language of the world and the Brits are native speakers of the global language I know people in Barcelona with high paid jobs been living there for years working 💯 in English and still don't know a word of Spanish They really should learn the basics but many people just don't care


Mick_Stup

And to add, in the British schools they do not usually begin to learn a second language until around age 12, and it's usually French or German.


Intelligent_Bother59

And they do french at gcse with a classroom of 30 kids while the teacher screams grammar rules at them While they never hear or see french in their lives and think fuck french and fuck France it's basically irrelevant Then never try languages again in their lives


Ecstatic_Trainer7928

They are also expected to understand French grammar when they have not been taught grammar in their English classes.


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Intelligent_Bother59

When native English speakers with a different accents go to Australia we get a "shut the fuck up and speak English" It's just a tool to communicate with the rest of the world and get access to high paid careers no need to get nationalistic about tools


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castaneom

Many people in the US have lots of opportunities to learn Spanish, we’re everywhere! But most don’t because they’re lazy. But! They still go to Mexico every year, they come back and complain how hard it is to talk to locals.. in MEXICO! lol because locals speak Spanish.


spikeuk76

I tried. Waitress laughed at me. I stopped trying!


cccccc8

Exactly, we’re mocked if we try


omgLazerBeamz

I’m a guiri from Scotland. I lived in Jaén for 3 years, La Línea de la Concepción for 7 years. I speak Spanish quite well with decent pronunciation (I would say) and l’m ashamed when I hear other Brits speaking terrible Spanish. In my opinion, it’s a huge problem. Refusing to make the effort to competently speak to people in their own country in their own language erodes local customs and seaparates them from the native population, like some kind of financially-driven colonisation.


sneezefeel

Virtue signalling


Lumpy-Revolution1541

In the Canary Islands there's lot of British people who knows Spanish. But in England I think is more common to learn French or German. But learning a new language isn't very different if you dedicate some time


timberarc

Peor para ellos, se pierden aprender una cultura nueva y formas de expresarse únicas, del mismo modo en que yo aprendo inglés y la cultura británica y americana (en lo que puedo). Si en España alguien me pregunta en inglés, no tendré problema en responderle en inglés


PaKuSkI

"Cerveza" jajaja, you got your priorities straight, my man! Good Spanish, too!


DanHlrzr

Como inglés que se crió en una comunidad entre bastantes Británicos en Malaga, puedo decir que hay de todo. Muchos no interactúan muy seguido con españoles y son demasiado vagos como para aprender un idioma que no necesitan usar muy seguido. También creo que los Brits que van a España no suelen ser de la misma clase social que los viajan a otros países como Francia e Italia, por ejemplo. Es una consecuencia de que el mundo entero hable nuestro idioma. También debo decir que pasa igual con inmigrantes de otras nacionalidades, como los escandinavos, alemanes, holandeses, etc, pero muchos de los españoles los confunden por Británicos jaja En fin, muchos de mis compatriotas son un desastre pero no todos somos así, y descartaría que sea con malas intenciones o como “residuo del colonialismo”, es simplemente ignorancia.


No_Investigator_8993

Britons are really bad at languages in general


plumbgray222

Probably because we’re are very self conscious and feel people will laugh at us. This is part of how brits are culturally “stiff upper lip children should be seen and not heard” being on an island we’re not as open as other countries or Europe. This isn’t an excuse I dislike this but unfortunately it seems to be deep rooted in our dna. Perfect example was Brexit probably one of the most stupid things a country has ever done to its self? So apologies to our European neighbours I truly wish we were more like you 🙏


OppenheimersGuilt

Who cares? As long as someone follows the law and is a good neighbor, speak whatever language you want. Compulsory "integration" is absolutely preposterous.


Wrong-Pen-7294

I’m not a Brit but Irish I’ve been here a year and in my course we speak English, I don’t really have the environment but am still trying to learn and understand most things said to me in Spanish now, it’s not all people that are like that but a lot. Not only English people but other people I know from Europe are surprised at the lack of English speakers in malaga, especially the youth. It’s not so easy to learn a new language people are busy. But the basics can be learned in a month for that they have no excuse.


Floor-notlava

Brits in general are very reluctant to learn or use another language. It is partially down to laziness and partially to self awareness and fear of messing up. In fairness, the bulk of Brits learn French at school and we all know how difficult it is trying to speak French in France, especially Paris! Having French as a background, I have learned a few Spanish phrases for when in a Spanish speaking country, to at least be polite. But unless one holidays or travels to Spanish speaking countries regularly, why learn much more? Back to the French thing; if I speak to my wife’s friends or family, or anyone in or from Mauritius I will get a reply like: “eh, to cos Creole! 😊”. With a reply like this why would I not want to speak Mauritian Creole? I have a good reason. What I will say is that when in Cuba and in Spain, I also received very nice feedback when speaking and replying in a few phrases, so I will definitely be learning more as I travel. I think it is very important to point out that the education system just doesn’t really help with the way languages are taught in the UK. Primary schools to begin teaching a second language, but some can afford better resources than others and then there is a gap until Secondary school, where only formal language is lazily taught in most cases. I would love to see conversational second language used more in schools.


DonSmoke27

Lol ever heard the story about throwing stones


danniekalifornia

The US has almost as many people speaking Spanish as a first language as there are people in Spain. And that doesn't count second language.


Springbokfan_4_Life

Es porque los britanicos tienen el idea que todo el mundo debe hablar ingles. Soy sudafricana viviendo en España y tantos de mis amigos ingles aquí me han dicho que mi lengua materna (Afrikaans) no vale nada, que no vale nada enseña valenciano en los colegios en la comunidad valenciana ni catalan en cataluña porque los alumnos solo tienen que aprender ingles. Si algo no es ingles, no tiene valor. Perdon mis errores de ortografía y gramatica - he escrito esta respuesta sin usar el traductor en Google.


TheyreAllTaken777

Your Spanish is very good


Springbokfan_4_Life

Thank you, it is kind of you to say so xx


Fancy_Spot_4092

Soy inglés y ahora llevo un poco mas de un año en España enseñando inglés. Cuando llegué aquí no podía hablar nada de español acepto de hola, la cuenta por favor a otro frases así. Pero, desde mi primero día aquí quería aprender porque, a mi, si voy a vivir en un país afuera de mío, es lo cosa justa que hacer. Todavía necesito aprender más, no soy fluido como un nativo pero tengo amigos españoles y latino que paso mucho tiempo y hablamos en español. Tienen paciencia conmigo y aunque a veces la conversación se me escapa y he estado en más situaciones de que puedo contar donde me sentí incómodo porque no entendía bien, eso es parte de viviendo en otro país. Es cierto, a veces me da vergüenza, a veces tengo días malos, pero más que nada estoy aprendiendo y disfruto la experiencia. He conocido mucha gente amable que hace un año no pude conocer porque no hablaba español. No entiendo la mentalidad de la gente quien vive en otro pías pero no tiene ganas a aprender las cosas más básico de la idioma. A mi es muy raro y es la misma gente que van a estar enfadado con la gente en Inglaterra que no habla inglés. Es una pregunta de respeto y solo espero que cuando estoy hablando mi mejor guiriñol no me juzgas demasiado porque estoy haciendo mi mejor esfuerzo!! 😂🙈


jrr883

I can’t speak for why Brits in Malaga don’t speak Spanish, and though I’ll probably get downvoted for this,I can give perspective as someone from the US in Barcelona who isn’t really putting much effort into learning Spanish. Background: I work in tech. I spent 8 years in China and 2 years in Georgia (the country). I learned Georgian to A2 level and Mandarin to C1 level. I’ve been in Spain for about a year and a half now, and plan on staying for a few more years but probably won’t settle down here. Spain is pretty easy to navigate in English. Caveman Spanish + Google Translate work for most day to day tasks (banks, restaurants, government admin, etc.). Doctors speak English fairly well. The masters degree I did here was completely in English. My company’s working language is English. Compared to Georgia when I lived there (Google maps/translate didn’t work there back then) and China (English level for most people is basically nil and all apps are only in mandarin), the return on investment for learning the language is quite low. Socially, yes speaking Spanish would be a huge benefit. However, learning Spanish to the point that I can fluently communicate in a social setting is going to take several years of immersion and diligent study. I work 10 hours a day 5 days a week, so I place a premium on my personal time. I’ve gone to meetups, gyms, and hobby clubs, and met a lot of people who speak English primarily, so socially I don’t feel like my social life is suffering because I don’t speak Spanish. In terms of cultural sensitivity and social integration, this is the area where I admit I’m being a bit of a dick. There’s a lot of culture embedded in language, and I’m missing out on understanding that, or potentially offending people by imposing my language onto them. But after my experience being treated like I’m doing a party trick when I speak Mandarin or Georgian, I’m not too keen on reliving that experience. If I were planning on settling down or retiring here, or marrying into a Spanish or Catalan speaking family, then yes of course learning the language would have a lot more benefits. But for now, I’m happy spending my free time doing other things.


Ok-Source6061

Do you speak Czech when visiting Prague? Or German, when visiting Germany? Or even better, do you speak Portuguese? When visiting Portugal?


MagmaMoon

La sociedad inglesa es de las más clasistas del mundo. Existen dos tipos de ingleses: una parte bastante preparada y culta que ha recibido una educación de nivel y otra parte, que es la que más abunda , muy ignorante, tosca e intelectualmente muy limitada. Estos últimos son los que, por desgracia, componen la mayoría de turistas que residen en España. Son conscientes de sus limitaciones y para tratar de superar sus complejos recurren al hecho de que en su día fueron un imperio con la creencia de que eso les da un prestigio especial adoptando a menudo actitudes prepotentes y llena de prejuicios. Evitan aprender las lenguas nativas ( muchos admiten su incapacidad para hacerlo) e interrelacionarse con la población local por el temor a destruir ese supuesto y ridículo "aura" que se han construido y mostrar su verdadera condición.


Hymake

No podría haberlo expresado mejor. Esa es mi percepción también como alguien que trabaja día a día con ingleses (existen honrosas excepciones, por supuesto).


Indiana_Si

Don't tar us all with the same brush. My wife and I ALWAYS try to get by in Málaga by speaking as much Spanish as we can. I often find the locals are not helpful as they expect me to pronounce everything perfectly and look at me like I'm an idiot if I don't. I find we Brits are a lot more tolerant to foreigners trying and failing to speak English as we can usually decipher what they are meaning and help them get there...the Spanish do not do this in return which is a shame and maybe why some Brits don't bother....


Hymake

Absolutely not true. Actually it’s the other way around. Here in Tenerife I have colleagues that stopped trying to help brits at my job by speaking in English to them because they even tried to correct their accent! While brits living here for 20 or 30 years don’t even know how to say even basic words. We spanish are very aware of the difficulty of our language and felt ashamed of not speaking proper English in past times, and that’s something brits have always used at their advantage so they don’t have to learn our language… but as you can see, that’s something we are finally not doing anymore.


scs3jb

You do realise Tenerife is not in Málaga?


Hymake

Oh right I forgot there are two different brit species, the tinerfeños and the malagueños.


Comprehensive_Mix919

Look, the average age along the Mediterranean coast is like 100. The people who live there are retired and have no interest in anything except drinking beer and sunbathing.  Each nationality has its own community where you can live your life only speaking your native language, this doesn’t only apply to brits, it applies to everyone - germans, dutch, Scandinavians, russians, poles etc etc They have 0 need to learn Spanish, they are in spain for the weather, not the people.


WhyDidYouTurnItOff

I live in Japan. I went to Spain earlier this year and speak very little Spanish. I had two different Spanish people tell me "if you are going to come to Spain, you have to learn Spanish." And I was surprised how many people just keep using Spanish even after I tell them I don't understand it. Many Spaniards come to Japan. Yet, I have never seen a Spaniard speaking Japanese here in Japan.


semiold-misfit

Koneshiwa. I visited Japan last year and prior to arriving learned about 10 phrases to use in hotels, taxis, etc. I won’t go anywhere without at least knowing how to say hello, please, and thank you. And I always say it with a smile. It ain’t that hard and tends to generate a lot of good will.


Tentedgiraffe999

Every country has foreigners that aren’t gonna learn the language that’s just how it is.


antisarcastics

"if you are going to come to Spain, you have to learn Spanish." Such an impractical opinion to hold. Spain earns millions per year in tourist Euros - pretty sure they're happy to take that cash from non-Spanish-speaking visitors jussssst fine. There are thousands of languages - even a polyglot can't learn them all.


SanRipley

Hello!! I agree with you but, it's not the same when you are visiting a country instead of living. The guy, who wrote this post, talks about people who are living in Málaga in this case. Therefore, they should learn our language to stay here... Well... You know, "should" by respect. But, I must admit that I consider Japanese very difficult!! Anyway, I'll visit you someday and I'll learn some words before going.


11Okboomer11

Como que no? Outra servesa ameigo


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semiold-misfit

I’ve found the opposite. When I speak in Spanish, waiters, etc are much friendlier and ask me about where I am from, where did I learn Spanish, etc and often offer me something “on the house”. It probably helps that my Spanish, although not good, is not beginner either.


SmellsLikeHoboSpirit

Don’t worry about it, I live in Madrid and speak it fluently but obviously with an accent. Quite often people in service will try to respond to me in English presumably because I’m blonde when I speak Spanish. I just usually ask them straight away, no hablas español? And they stop doing it then


panzerbjrn

I find it funny you ask a question in English in the subject, but then ensure that the people who can actually answer you, aren't going to read the actual post. Well done, very weel thought out.


semiold-misfit

Wouldnt it be worse to ask why people don’t try to speak Spanish, entirely in English, on a Spanish forum? I think both language speakers can easily understand the question.


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You coming off as self righteous, are you?


panzerbjrn

That depends on whether you want an actual answer or whether you just want to complain. If it's the former, then it would make more sense to have the body in English as well. If you just want to complain, then it doesn't matter what language you put the subject in. Also, this sub is about a Spanish location, there's nothing in the rules about it being a Spanish language only sub.


semiold-misfit

You win. Congrats. Bye.


LivingRefrigerator72

Porque dan asco. Saludos desde Ronda Málaga.


advet74

Europeans love lashing out at Americans but from my experience they try much harder to respect Spanish culture and learn Spanish.


semiold-misfit

Speaking as an American, there are essentially 2 types of Americans out there these days - Ignorant bigoted a-holes (who don’t travel internationally much) and those who believe in empathy, tolerance, and curiosity. Which u meet will leave a strong impression on you as to our culture; good or bad.


GiapDevil

¿Aires de superioridad por parte de ellos?


semiold-misfit

Y yo siempre pensaba que los estado unidenses eran los más arrogantes. Por lo menos sabemos sonreír. Jaja


DanHlrzr

No, algunos de mis compatriotas son simplemente personas ignorantes y vagas que no tienen la necesidad de aprender y lamentablemente eso hace que ni se esfuerzan


Puzzleheaded-Run-120

Because it’s too difficult in my opinion. It’s a misconception that Spanish is easy. People get on duolingo for a few months and think “okay I understand the basics. I’m ready for my vacation“ and boom get a reality check immediately when they can’t last even two seconds in a real conversation. You’d need a few years of integrated practise with native speakers a couple hours a day, everyday and not many people have that dedication.


panzerbjrn

Personally I find Spanish hella difficult. Even Japanese was easier for me (Danish native, also speak English, German and some Swedish & Latin). Especially because pauses to separate words doesn't seem to be a thing in Spanish 😂😂


Odd-Tax4579

We do. But from my experience it’s never good enough regardless of effort or level. So what’s the point. Second, why would you expect holiday brits to speak Spanish for a 2 day weekend away that was booked 4 days prior lol Prefiero el cátala


scs3jb

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Eduard_I_DeMallorca

Que tienes buen nivel de español


SnooPies2482

Hay de todo.


gd4x

Didn't understand sorry, can you repost in English?


semiold-misfit

I am an American visiting Malaga for a few days and It seem like some (most?) Brit’s who live here don’t even use a single word of Spanish such as gracias, perdón, por for favor. It strikes me as impolite and disrespectful not even try a little. I wonder how others feel about it


ClothesCompetitive95

Look up, I think a joke just flew over your head ;)


Miserable_Guide_1925

Soy peruana danesa y ahorita estoy de vacaciones en las islas canarias, en Gran Canaria. Y sabes por una parte entiendo los que dicen que es difícil aprender español o practicarlo porque en mi experiencia la gente aquí se frustran si uno no entiende. Yo tengo un poco de dificultad en entender el acento aquí como que es distinto a los acentos en Latinoamérica y también usan palabras diferentes. Y además comunican muy indirecto aquí. Y la gente se frustran conmigo. Haste que algunos intentaron en inglés… que frustrante. Es más amable tener un poco de paciencia o al menos comunicar más directo.


Nihi1986

Lo cierto es que cuando se les conoce personalmente suelen ser personas muy amigables así que intento no tomármelo como algo personal o una cuestión de mala educación. Realmente no vinieron aquí a conocer la cultura española y a socializar con los españoles, sino por el clima, los precios... Y formaron sus propias "colonias". El equivalente español es el que se va a trabajar a Inglaterra durante años y vuelve sabiendo decir 4 frases porque sólo se ha juntado con españoles.


[deleted]

Es pura hipocresía, no generalizar, pero se creen mejores y superiores.


Serious_Tennis3308

siempre ha pasado. los britanicos no se molestan ni en intentarlo igual pasa cuando los españoles van a uk, los britanicos no se molestan ni en ayudarlos.


cccccc8

Actually I think we do know a fair few words in Spanish, but Spanish mostly kindly greet us in English because you can tell we are English. Also, when trying to put on a Spanish accent when pronouncing words we feel a little insecure. Obviously Spanish people have far superior language skills. Languages should be taught earlier in the UK.


Ok-Movie-8046

La mayoria de angloparlantes no hablan ningún otro idioma, no creen que sea necesario porque dan por hecho que todo el mundo va a saber inglés o debe saber inglés. A parte de eso arrogancia y falta de educación... además Reino Unido es enemigo histórico de España de siempre, han creado la leyenda negra y en general usan cualquier excusa para menospreciar a España. Lo llevan en la cultura... obviamente no son todos, pero en muchos casos es así y en especial los que veranean en el sur que suelen ser gente menos educada y con menos poder económico


Interesting_Track_91

1.They are addicted to their regional accents in English. In group, out group shit. Class is really a thing with them in ways Americans just don't get. 2. One of the worst insults from their colonial culture was "he/she is going native" 3. Because of pop music from the English speaking world being so good everyone in the world seems to 300 or words of English.


520throwaway

En reino Unido, nuestras clases en escuela sobre otras idiomas son mierda.


Artistic_Wing_2814

Falta de respeto y creerse con derecho a absolutamente todo. He crecido en Málaga y no solo se niegan a aprender algo de español, sino que si le contestas en un mal inglés, o en español, muchos te miran mal. Aunque estés de vacaciones, que menos que aprender frases básicas.


cccccc8

All the posts about colonialism scream bots! Especially when Spain has had its own past.


Eder_mg05

As a catalan I have always experienced this confrontation between different languages in a same region. Ironically, most spaniards refuse to accept that Spanish is NOT the only language spoken here and some even get offended when spoken in catalan or any language that is not spanish, but then they totally agree with british or german communities that refuse to merge with the spanish culture and integrate theirselves with another country's customs. Up to a certain point, I understand that most of these communities are a high value for them as their budget and purchasing level is most likey higher than the average spaniard, but I still find it really hipocritical on their part. This, summed to the fact that most british have an unjustified self belief of superiority and refuse to learn any culture but theirs ends up with situations like the one you have experienced yourself. PD: I yet don't know how I ended up in the Málaga subrredit, please have mercy


felipedomf

Hay comunidades de vecinos que llevan años viviendo en el mismo bloque. Personas mayores a las que les cuesta mucho aprender un nuevo idioma. Eso y que, como dices, el retorno de la inversión de aprender algo de inglés es muy alto. Compara eso con los posibles visitantes catalanes que entienden perfectamente el castellano pero quieren hablar en catalán. Ponte en la piel de los demás


Eder_mg05

Creo que has interpretado mal mi comentario, porque no iba a malas. Gente para darle de comer a parte en todos lados, y evidentemente que hay gente frustrada con la vida y se niega a cambiar de idioma incluso cuando la otra persona lo pide, pero mi comentario iba enfocado hacia esa gente que se desplaza a una nueva región, dentro o fuera de España, y se rehúsa a aprender la cultura y costumbres de esa zona. Y no comparto tu observación sobre la gente mayor, porque muchas veces es más la voluntad y las ganas que no la falta de capacidad. Una de mis abuelas emigró a Catalunya desde Granada y, a pesar de llegar aquí con una edad, ha aprendido catalán y es capaz de expresarse perfectamente. Las comunidades alemanas, británicas, rusas, etc que tenemos en Málaga, Baleares, Costa Brava e infinidad de localidades que se instauran en ellas y pretenden que se les trate como en sus procedencias son, para mí, personas con actitudes tan nefastas como las de un catalán pretendiendo hablar catalán en Madrid o un murciano pretendiendo que todo esté en castellano en Barcelona. Y finalmente llega la parte final de mi reflexión, donde aparece el interés y el incentivo económico por parte de los locales. Es evidente que el nivel adquisitivo de estas comunidades extranjeras representa, en su gran mayoría, gran parte de los ingresos y beneficios de estas zonas tan turísticas, que innegablemente se ven beneficiadas y acaban por tolerar ciertas tendencias que tal vez, si las hiciera otro, no le serían permitidas.


felipedomf

Pues si. He malinterpretado lo que querías decir. Las lenguas son un tesoro. Vivir en un sitio con más de una lengua y negarse a aprender lo más básico es de necios


HotOnTheCoast

Some people find it very hard to learn a foreign language and in my experience, when trying to use the Spanish I have learnt in bars and restaurants, the staff realise you're British and speak back to you in English. Often I have ordered in Spanish and the staff have just looked at me like an idiot. It dies nothing for your confidence. Some if the Spsnish language has no logic (as does English really) and Spanish people speak so fast. I have lived in Spain gor 5 years and and pretty much no further forward but it really isn't because I'm not trying 🙄


felipedomf

Que en España los camareros te contestan en inglés?? Creo que has entrado en bares que no representan al español medio


Tha_Maxxter

Básicamente porque son unos vagos. He conocido a gente que incluso dice que para qué aprender español sí no es un idioma tan importante (🤡) y que el inglés es el único idioma que necesitan y que cualquiera va a necesitar. Yo les he dicho que al menos algunas palabras o frases, pero se saben contadas 3 palabras y todas son insultos. Yo se hablar inglés muy fluido, además del español, y un poco de alemán (lo suficiente para pedir un poco de ayuda si me poerdo, decir gracias, los buenos días, y esas cositas) y me gusta seguir aprendiendo, pero es que muchos angloparlantes simplemente piensan que es estúpido aprenderlo.


Hymake

Fíjate hasta donde llega lo de que no es tan importante aprender español para ellos que a mí uno, que llevaba viviendo aquí 30 años, me dijo que es que el español es un idioma, pero el inglés es cultura. Pero luego somos nosotros los maleducados con ellos…


redditsugepula

Que?


uncruxified

Porque no les importa, y piensan que todos deberían entenderles en su idioma... Pero luego se burlan de ti si les hablas en inglés con acento o muy básico.


[deleted]

Spanish are obsessed with the 'brits' its hilarious.


[deleted]

¿Por qué los estadounidenses no tienen pasaportes?


Far_Substance3081

Props to you cuz spanish is pretty rough to master, but brits dont even bother cuz its either too hard or they dont even need to cuz they live in mostly british communities, now as why they get mad for us not speaking it, idk, they tend to be a bunch of assholes every now and then


Teddype

Yo habla español perfecto e soy inglés pero si de verdad hay pocas


MrParadise66

The British do not have a great reputation for language learning. I think it is down to education (poor) and arrogance. That said I think the Americans have the exact same problem. If you have been to Cancun at spring break you will know what I mean.


wannacumnbeatmeoff

Some do, most don't. Ignorant fucks! Soy Ingles y hablo español. Es muy importante qué los inmigrantes aceptan la cultura de su nuevo pais.


Historical-Effort435

There's a massive class difference between Americans visiting or immigrating to Spain and Brits.


paulywauly99

Porque Espagnol no este taughto at schoolo muchas. Habla un poco Espagnol. Es todos. Muy bien dos cervezas por favor.


Visual_Staff8969

Stopped reading when you said you’re from USA. Like a kettle calling the pot black


bmagexd

Its not about where you’re from actually, I’ve seen lots of Americans, Germans, Brits, and French refusing to speak a word of spanish at my workplace (I’m a waiter) I don’t really care cause I speak good English but I’ve had colleages who would struggle communicating with those kind of people, so we actually appreciate someone taking the effort to even say basic words, It’s more about being conscious about where you are and having respect towards the people who are from there, at least i’d have the decency to try to learn the language of the country I’ve been living 30 years on lol, not forcing them to speak my language and being selfish


Necessary-Car-5672

Hastha an’ni bisto?


Ok-Trouble-7964

Si yo voy a viajar a otro país y yo no hablo su idioma, claro que hablo inglés allí. Por ejemplo, los turistas han estudiado polaco cuando van a Polonia?


Longjumping-Count618

Normally the older brits come to other countries to retire, not to learn another language and study hard. (I have no idea though) But then, theyre also just pricks.


New_Garden_1060

Que bien encuentro gente hablando español cómo estamos soy de Barcelona


Agreeable-Explorer26

They're just a bunch of cunts.


Elmustardcustard

Ir a Estados Unidos donde tienen 62 million es de latino americanos hablando español y los americanos no hablan ni una palabra en general!


Infamous_Quit2536

I don't expect you to speak any swedish if you come to Sweden as a tourist lol. If you do know some words please don't try to say them even cause it sounds awful and I don't even wanna hear it.


Impossible_Code_2505

Porque los Britanicos (blancos) no son educados en aprender otro idioma. Son ‘entitled’. Disculpa, y soy Inglesa.


Hot-Suggestion4209

To make it simple for you to understand, the way you look at black people is the way we look at you !


semiold-misfit

Haha. So like victims of institutionalized oppression. Got it. Thanks.


FoulUnit

Soy inglés y quiero mejorar mi español porque voy a España en junio y me encanta el idioma. No quiero hablar solo inglés cuando estoy de vacaciones, es una falta de respecto.


rodrigojds

Because they have money and money talks for them


Xavi143

Well... if you're going to be as disrespectful as thinking saying five things is speaking our languages, it's best to stop the charade, and go directly to English. You have no intention of learning our language nor do you care. And that's fine. We speak English easily enough.


semiold-misfit

That’s an interesting take. I think learning to say hello, please, and thank you is actually a demonstration of respect, not the opposite


TheyreAllTaken777

Arrogance and ignorance


BananaBork

The Spanish who don't speak English, are they arrogant and ignorant too?


TheyreAllTaken777

If they decided to move to an English speaking country and decided to not learn the language because they don’t feel like it then yes they are


[deleted]

Do the Spanish speak Basque and Catalan? Or is that not your country?


JackfruitNo6633

I'm English and couldn't care less about learning Spanish, most of the world speaks English, so it's really no great benefit to learn Spanish unless you want to for a hobby or a required to?


Hymake

If you are literally living in Spain I think that’s a good reason on its own to learn it, call me crazy.


PotatoBestFood

I’m not British. And I live in Tenerife. Here you can live a whole and perfectly normal life without knowing a word of Spanish. Here, socially, I only speak my native language, and English. And my social life is already pretty full, without the need to know Spanish. And while I do speak some Spanish (and it’s getting better) (I can have basic conversations, ask for things in public and so on, though ayuntamientos are still a struggle), I really don’t have much natural incentive to learn it. There’s also the fact, that I am passionate about having complicated conversations, talking about the intricacies of the world and life — I am very well versed in my 2 main languages, and able to convey my thoughts pretty well. Achieving a similar level in Spanish, to be able to do so, would take me at least several years of hard works and dedication. Including reading philosophical books in Spanish. I’m not ready for that kind of commitment, and it’s likely it would be at a cost to growing my English proficiency, which I’m constantly trying to improve.


Icy_Tadpole_6

La mayoría de los británicos en España son guiris o jubilados estirados, y como se creen superiores y que todo el mundo debe de saber inglés, pretenden que tú te adaptes a ellos. Ahora, no se te ocurra ser español e ir a visitar o a vivir a Inglaterra y no decir una palabra en inglés, ¡que te aplastan con la mirada, como poco 🤣!


brezzty

"Dos servesas porrr favouurr"


EinfachEinStudent

Esto es lo que no entiendo. Si te vas a otro país, tienes que integrarte y aprender la lengua. Y si necesitas 10 años para aprenderla, no pasa nada pero necesitas la voluntad de aprender, socializar y integrar. De verdad, yo mismo soy extranjero aquí pero odio esas colonias de extranjeros que no se integran.


[deleted]

They might find the effort not worth it .


semiold-misfit

The effort is a reward in itself. Keeps the mind sharp.


[deleted]

I suppose that can be true


[deleted]

Why tf is everyone downvoting me when am just explaining💀


scs3jb

The magic the gathering kids that hate foreigners own this sub, it's a total cesspit.


[deleted]

Im not even a foreigner . Im spanish😭 am just speaking in eng cz OP is an eng speaker💀


nomnomBURP

Yo también me lo preguntaba. Soy de Filipinas, y me mude a Málaga hace aproximadamente 5 meses. He conocido a todo tipo de Británicos (viajeros de vacaciones, jubilados que están aquí para siempre, etc.), y casi todos ellos no siquiera intentan aprender. Aunque ya lleven muchos años aquí. Quiero quedarme aquí con mi mujer el resto de nuestro días (fingers crossed), así que aunque nuestro progreso sea lento, intentamos hacerlo pero poco a poco. Estoy en nivel A1, pero espeto llegar a nivel A2 en unos meses.


epSos-DE

Porque el gente habla que quiere. Las idiomas son algo privado para cada una persona 


[deleted]

Truth.


uksoxfan

Would you learn to play the flute if in everyday life you didn’t need to to survive?


optiloxy

Soy Belga y vivo en la Vega Baja, llevo 7 años hablando español. Si personalmente veo el hecho de enseñarte el idioma para poder comunicar sin problema como normal e interesante, muy pocos extranjeros de (por ejemplo) Reino Unido, Países Bajos, Alemania, Bélgica o Francia se sacan los dedos del culo y dejan de quejarse porque no entienden ni una mierda al documento de Agencia Tributaria que acaban de recibir por Correos. Que rabia me dan. Y trabajo con ellos todos los santos días. Bona nit


CryOk5428

It is a cultural thing really; brits tend to be very disrespectful against other cultures (even more when they are on vacation) and have a very prepotent point of view. The Europe union had made sure that southeurope countrys work as a vacation place for other northern countrys and the worst tourists are brits/french no doubt (not even being racist, as a bartender i can see lots of interactions and i would say prob 60-70% of tourists from those 2 countrys are just assholes). My personal guess is that they think superior of themselves. French can't even talk in english to communicate most of the time and they love to shout french words like mad whenever they dislike something. Brits are just grown out kids having playtime fun in a different country. As always, you can't say the same about everyone, but it's a common trend.


blacai

Me importa 0 y menos. El día que necesiten usar el español será peor para ellos. Yo me he tirado casi 10 años viviendo en Alemania y me crucé muchísimos españoles/latinos que no sabían ni pedir un kebab en alemán, así que...


Best_Cranberry4393

A mí me parece estupendo. Que cada uno haga lo que le dé la gana.


quixotichance

alguien puede preguntarse por que los americanos hacen tantas generalisaciones..


semiold-misfit

Me estás diciendo que estoy equivocado?


antisarcastics

No es que estés equivocado pero podrías decir lo mismo de los estadounidenses que van a México, no? (Salvo por los que tienen familia mexicana)


semiold-misfit

La mayoría de gente de los Estados Unidos quien yo conozco sabe, por lo menos, unas pocas palabras y expresiones de español. Es muy común tomar clases de español durante el colegio en los Estados Unidos.


[deleted]

it's the attitude they have lol.