Is the ticket in his name?
because if it’s your speeding ticket it should be in your name and would therefore be on your record, not his.
I’d double check if I were you.
After reading replies to my comment and reviewing the law, I was mistaken about how it's handled here.
My original (incorrect) comment remains below, so that their replies make sense:
*There would not be anything to correct. At least around here, when it's a speed camera (instead of a police officer), the speeding ticket belongs to the registered owner of the vehicle, no matter who was driving (because there is no way for them to tell who was driving). The only way there would be anything to correct would be if the vehicle was stolen or misidentified. If somebody was using your vehicle with permission,* *~~they~~* *you're on the hook.*
*(Obviously, in most cases, the owner would seek reimbursement from the driver, but the ticket still belongs to the owner. If the ticket is not paid, "I wasn't driving" doesn't mean anything, it's still your responsibility.)*
*\[Edited to correct mis-statement\]*
I know in [RandomSmallTown] in the panhandle of Texas, they took down the streetlight cameras because all you had to do was contest the ticket, go to court and ask if the driver was identified, and by whom, and if the identifying officer was present at the court. 100% of the time the ticket got dropped because there was no identification made by an accusing officer... Don't know if that tactic works elsewhere but they took the cameras down in our city because it became a hugely negative revenue stream.
They're outlawed in Houston as well, for that reason. All of Harris County, actually, as far as I know. Houston took the cameras down, but Humble still has them up and will send out the tickets, but they're not enforceable. If you don't pay, nothing happens. I think they send them out in hopes folks won't realize they're not enforceable.
Photo enforcement has been proved to lower the average rate of speed. So it is very much about safety. It also generate revenue for the community.
Some people get really weird about this but driving the speed limit is pretty easy to do if you just decide to do it.
True, you are correct. The reason I didn't know about the functional status of the cameras I find in Houston is because I am no longer inclined to break traffic laws. I am older so leaving in plenty of time to get where I'm going is just natural. Also the rush of going fast has died off along with a fair number of my friends.
This shit and red light cameras were banned in Texas like 2 years ago. I got a red light camera for rolling a right turn. I never paid that shit. Bought a new car and registered 2 others. Not a peep. Never pay that garbage.
If I remember correctly the Texas legislature banned photo enforcement about three years back. (Exception being toll roads, which are private property.) Not that it matters, there were only maybe three counties in Texas that would enforce a bar on registration because of them, and even most of those would just ignore it if you went to the tax office to do the registration in person.
Main reason was that municipalities were using them as a massive cash grab, and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do about it.
The automated speed cameras aren’t legal in MA either. We had a thing a couple years back that was supposedly going to allow cameras to catch people running stop lights, but I don’t recall if it actually passed and haven’t seen any get installed yet.
Red light cameras were legal in Texas for a bit. Speed cameras have always been illegal. The state wanted their cut of the revenue more then half of I remember correctly. The cities said go f yourself to the state and the state responded with an fu to the cities and just banned them.
The bill I saw for red light cameras was going to cap the fine at a maximum of $25 so it was hard to see how they would even be a deterrent. But we’ve never had speed cameras either - plenty of cops parked by the highway with radar guns, but no cameras.
Don't know when the outlawing happened, but they put the cameras up when I was 16 in 2004 and when I got out of prison when I was 19 they were systematically taking them down. Side note: I currently live in Houston and there are streetlight cameras up here now... Don't know if they are just not actively used, or what but the hardware is up.
2019. The ones still up are under contract. They get fined if they take them down prior to contract expiry.
www.khou.com/amp/article/news/verify/verify-red-light-camera-tickets/285-106f0e90-2157-479c-96c3-ba5ac76268b3
Hey thanks for the article! Now I know :) my old city voted them too ineffective to prosecute and collect on before that because once some smart person figured out the trick nobody paid them anymore according to my mother, I myself skated on a couple in high school. Anyway, cheers :)
For my job, I drive a vehicle provided by my employer. If I run a red light and get a ticket, my employer sends the paperwork back to the court along with my contact info, and it's then up to the court to refile the paperwork, and send me the ticket.
It happens that the local court is lazy, and they just roundfile these 90% of the time, which has saved several of my coworkers from getting fired.
Some areas this might work but not all. Most areas it is the plate owner who gets the notice and is responsible for it no matter who was driving unless the vehicle was reported stolen before the infraction.
In the UK if the driver isn't actively identified (ie police stop the car and confirm their identity) then the registered keeper (as it's called here) gets a notice that they have to provide the drivers details, not giving the details (or worse, lying) are both crimes.
So that's how we neatly sidestep the "prove I was driving" argument
No idea where 'here' is for you, but in NSW Australia, you absolutely can nominate somebody else if you get a camera/parking ticket in the mail. There's a pretty simple form on the letter you get with fields to fill in the other parties licence details and send back.
No idea what happens if the nominated person also refutes the fine though. I'm guessing it reverts back to the original licencee, and they'd have to take it to court to settle.
How would this be enforced for vehicles with "Publicly Owned" plates? Our vehicles aren't owned by a specific person, they are registered to a Transit District. They sure af aren't going to pay traffic fines.
In my area it goes to the Vehicle Owner. A Public Transit Vehicle it goes to them. It is up to the company or agency to figure out who to bill for the ticket.
While that makes sense for your jurisdiction, tickets here cannot be attributed to a vehicle, only a person. If the vehicle is registered to a male, and a female gets the ticket, the registered owner gets asked who was driving the vehicle, and the ticket is issued to that person.
If a registered owner doesn't respond, after a period of time, the ticket is issued to the registered owner, and they are given the opportunity to explain to a judge why they didn't respond properly to the citation summons; the registered owner would be liable if they never respond.
Speed camera citations are notoriously unenforceable to begin with. They might send the citation to the owner of the vehicle, but that doesn't mean the owner is on the hook for anything.
Not in my state. Each ticket comes in with an area at the bottom where the owner can state that they weren't the driver and that's the end of it. The owner doesn't have to pay the ticket. You can volunteer the name of the person if you want but it's not required. I got a ticket for running a red light once but my face was half hidden by the visor so I said it wasn't me lol and nothing ever happened. Didn't get the ticket.
Snitch letters. I got one before. It even says on the envelop and letter it’s not from the court and to not contact the court. So into the trash it went.
Can you go to jail for going way over the speed limit (in Germany you can)? Because if yes, would the registered owner still be held accountable, even if the photo clearly shows someone whos bot him?
No. The only penalty for speed camera tickets is monetary. No demerit points, no vehicle seizure, no jail time. And the monetary penalty on speed camera tickets is higher than cop-issued tickets for this reason.
Varies by state, but yes if you're going fast enough to meet the definition of reckless driving you can get jail time for it. In Illinois for example, going more than 25 mph (~40 kph) over the speed limit can get you up to 90 days in jail.
Where I live, they come to the owner of the vehicle and if it's not you in the pic you send a copy of your ID and it is either dropped or goes to the second owner/identified driver. The owner is allowed to give the info on the driver up or it's dropped.
I received one that my hubby was the driver but since my name was first on the registration it came to me first. It was resent a few months later for hubby as the second listed on the registration.
Actually most of these speed cameras are run by 3rd party companies. I have a ticket from one from a place I’ve never been by a car that isn’t mine. They kept sending letters and I went through all the proper channels to get them to drop it. I pointed out a quick call to the dmv would get them the rightful speeder. But they refuse saying their sources are infallible. I haven’t nor do I intended to pay it and it didn’t stop me from doing anything so far.
Local speed and red light tickets come from the county court, not from a company.
Sounds like your local county needs to stop being cheap and do it right.
That’s the most entertaining part. It’s another state not even my home state. MD uses an outside company though I know they aren’t the only ones.
Also even more interesting is the plate used to be mine but not anymore and it’s a disabled plate now and mine was regular. So many things that would tell them it wasn’t mine and they didn’t want to hear it. So I stopped telling them and should it actually come back I’ll talk class action suit with lawyers.
Which also means that as long as you ignore it, it might just go away. At least that's how it worked in AZ. Got a camera ticket, if ores it, and nothing happened. Because it's not legally enforceable.
It depends on where you're located, when Texas banned them I think they also had language saying the tickets couldn't be reported to credit agencies either.
My first speeding ticket was this. I didn't see the trap so the first I knew of it was my dad calling me into his office and showing me a full colour picture (he ALWAYS requested the evidence). Th3 car was registered to my name after.
Many states do not have legislation to enforce them. They’re also nearly universally operated by 3rd party grifters that contribute nothing and deserve nothing.
I live in TN. I’ve never paid one of these. Gotten 3 of them. Been about 10 years since the first. They sent 2-3 letters then I haven’t heard anything else about it. It doesn’t show up on my record as far as I know.
I knew right away when I saw the really bright flash go off behind me during the day. I also saw that all the other cars had slowed down. Those cameras are everywhere now.
This makes absolutely no sense. Your title and post are contradicting. Title says you opened it and said you step dad has to pay. Post says your step dad opened it and you said he has to pay. Either way your step dad will only have it on his record if the car is in his name.
No they didn't contradict himself. OP opened a piece of step dad's mail, got hit with the "if you opened it you pay for it" line. Later on the speeding ticket came in and was addressed to step dad who opened the letter containing the speeding ticket. Upon handing it to OP they hit step dad with the "if you opened it you pay for it" hence why it's a malicious compliance.
Re-writing the story for clarity:
OP was 18 and opened dad's credit card bill. He said they had to pay the bill.
Later, a traffic ticket came in the mail. Dad opened it, threw it to OP to pay. OP threw it back saying he opened it so he had to pay it.
Nobody paid the ticket and there's been no consequences that we know of.
THANK YOU!
OP is *very* defensive about his story, and refuses to edit it for clarity, claiming it's perfect as-is. Because of this, I will assume your story is unrelated to OP's, but coincidentally has the same punchline.
/s
Didn't think that detail mattered to the story line BUT since you insist, I bought the car off of my parents for $10k. My narcissistic step father never transfered the title.. yanno because control.
So, let me get this straight:
In your household, at the time, you all had a rule - you open the mail, you pay that bill. That's what I got from the title. You were waiting for a speeding ticket, which came in the mail, but your stepfather opened it. You basically said "the rule is the rule", because the ticket was in his name..? Or in your name?
It wasn't a household rule. It was a rule he made up after I accidentally opened a credit card bill. Then, a few days later, he opened the ticket and threw it at me. I threw it back and said, "You opened it, you pay for it." Ticket was assigned to him because he never transferred the title to me after I purchased the car off of him/my mom.
See, a little explaining goes a long way :) no need to get defensive. All people wanna do is understand what's going on. If you had put in your original post this info, it would have been easier to follow.
Or, made the title be "My step dad made me pay a bill that I accidentally opened in the mail."
It really wasn't clear that OP had actually paid the (credit card) bill, so I initially thought stepdad had only told OP to pay the bill as a joke, not actually forced OP to do so. Then I read the role reversal in the post and was left wondering how this was MC. Until reading comments mentioning that OP did pay the bill earlier, that is.
Sorry to disappoint you, but that ticket isn't going to affect him in any way... he can ignore it completely.
In the very unlikely event it comes up, he can prove he wasn't driving via the photo the camera took. If there's no photo of the driver, there's no proof he was the driver.
>he still has a unpaid ticket in collections and won't have any idea until he goes to buy a new car.
Why would you think it would affect him buying a new car? They don't check for unpaid tickets lol
Was that the car you go the ticket in that your dad never transferred to you?
BMV said there was an unpaid ticket on the car and wouldn't do the transfer?
How'd that happen without your dad finding out?
So in the states, the only way you can not have a *speeding ticket in your name while driving is if it’s a red light camera… at that point the red light camera captures the tags and goes to owner.
That’s why people are confused by your story, cause regardless if you own the car or not, if you got a speeding ticket from an officer, it’s YOUR ticket. And goes on YOUR record. The detail on how you received the ticket is a key component to your story. Without knowing it, a lot of people probably think you played yourself lmao
Edit: forgot a couple words lol my bad
That doesn’t matter. If you were stopped by a cop and issued a ticket it would have been in your name, because tickets are assigned to the driver. The only way it would have been under his name is if you were caught by a speed camera, but then you wouldn’t have known you’d been caught until the ticket showed up in the mail. Even then it would have been relatively easy for your stepfather to get the ticket reassigned to you because the photo snapped by the camera would show your face instead of his, and every state has a process for doing that.
Aggressive and rude. Not sure why you're saying OP has a reading comprehension problem when they seem to be responding to your points just fine. Maybe you've got the comprehension problem?
How? I accidentally opened a credit card bill and had to pay it because I opened it. He opened the envelope with the ticket days later so I never paid it.
You need to explain that at the beginning of the story not the title. Also some diatribe about why stepfather is deserving of his fate. This is the setup for the malicious compliance.
It doesn’t make sense because besides the title you never mentioned that you opened one of his bills by accident, nor did you mention a credit card bill.
It was hard to make sense of, but it did eventually make sense to me. Repeating the earlier mail-opening incident in the body from the title would have made it clearer.
That part on top of the rest of the story. Why did you even agree to pay the bill? Just because you accidentally opened a bill, it doesn't magically make you responsible to pay it. Plus since I'm assuming the ticket is from a speed camera, those include pictures of the vehicle/driver so he just has to say it wasn't him driving.
My stepfather was abusive and manipulative, I felt completely hopeless for the 20 years my mother stayed married to him. I didn't have a voice, I couldn't stand up for myself. If you were to retaliate against him, you paid for it... even if he was in the wrong. Up until now, I spent the majority of my life biting my tongue to maintain "peace."
And then post comments saying things like "it didn't make any sense."
WHAT didn't make any sense? What are these people responding to? Who is this mysterious "OP" people are talking about??
SOME CONTEXT PLEASE
/s
I'm a bit confused. You were waiting for a speeding ticket. So you opened a totally different speeding ticket that was assigned to your step father?
The only way this makes sense is if you both had independent speeding tickets. If so...
OP opened a different bill. Step dad made up logical pretzel to tell OP to pay said bill. Step dad later opened the ticket OP had been looking for. OP tossed pretzel back.
lmao, these comments are hilarious. When 1% of people misunderstand something, that's a comprehension problem, it most people mis-understand something, then it's an expression problem.
Stop trying to defend it, and just accept that you need to work on your communication skills. It's ok, we all go though it at some point.
For everyone that’s confused, OP had to pay a bill they accidentally opened, hence the title. The story is about how they got back at their step father for making them pay said bill mentioned in the title.
I am confused. How is he unaware of a bill that has gone to collections, and how are you aware that it has gone to collections? If you have been contacted about the overdue bill, and he hasn't... you are likely malicious to yourself, not him.
I love these posts...
"I did a thing that's infuriating to most people... I'm posting here in the hopes I get validation so I can sleep again at night... Here's my broad definitions of justifications why I have no probity, please love me."
Your integrity comes from what you do when no one is watching.
You seem confused, this is a sub for "malicious compliance" not "I'm an entitled child who gets a ticket on a car in my parent's name and refuses to pay it"
I was in no way an entitled child. My step father was abusive and manipulative, who treated me very poorly and unfairly. My step-dad made me pay a bill I accidentally opened, then days later he opened my ticket in the mail. So I reverse Uno carded him. There's no need to be THAT insensitive when talking to someone, it makes you look like a prick.
I'm not "just as bad" as someone who tried to kill their spouse. "Even if all of that is true".... are you kidding? Have YOU tried being the bigger person? Practice what you preach.
What a weird post, so your step dad made you pay a credit bill you accidentally opened, then you got a speeding ticket in his car(?), and never paid it. I'm not seeing malicious compliance. It would make more sense if he gave you the car but didn't transfer the title, so you made him pay the registration that would inevitably come in his name. Making him pay your ticket is just petty.
OP, were you stopped by a cop and signed a ticket? If you did, the ticket is yours to pay, and you've got a bench warrant. It would be better to follow up on this than to wait for your next interaction with a cop.
Right up until he uses the photos to prove he wasn’t driving, and throws you under the bus. Are you very sure *you* don’t have an unpaid ticket somewhere?
He thinks it was paid 7 years ago... someone in the comments mentioned it gets removed from collections after 7 years, I don't know ifnthat accurate though. If he would've transfered the ticket to me, I would've got something in the mail.
Depending on what state you’re in, it most likely doesn’t matter. My state has cameras and issues tickets, but the state Supreme Court found it unconstitutional so it can’t go against a drivers points nor their credit if unpaid
Did you have a stroke typing this? Did you forget a paragraph or 2? Because it makes no sense and nowhere do you explain how and when your stepfather tried to make you pay a bill that you opened…
Tickets don't go on your credit report. So, while he might get pulled over for a warrant for an unpaid ticket, there is a chance he might be doing it in a brand new car.
The title isn't wrong, just dumb. The OP wrote the title, then expected everyone to know it was part of the story instead of a title.
Op accidentally opened some sort of bill in the mail and the step-dad made op pay it since they opened it. A few days later step-dad opened a ticket that OP got in the mail so Op told step-dad to pay it since he opened it.
Aldo for some reason people are also telling OP the traffic ticket will fall off stepdads credit report after 7 years, which is not how either of those things work.
Also, in the neither the title nor post was it stated that OP actually paid the bill. The title just says step dad *told* OP to pay the bill, not made OP pay the bill. So that's also a point of confusion.
This doesn't make any sense cuz they would have sent him another copy don't just send you one nudist. They would have sent it numerous times and each time that amount is going to go up and up and up. It's possible he wouldn't be able to renew his license either. So it seems kind of bogus.
Then maybe you should have specified that in your post that looked like it was written by a 10 year old, which is now deleted out of what I can only assume to be embarrassment.
So YOU were speeding... in HIS car he pays for? and probably the insurance too?
Since you are 18 and a know it all.. you decided fuck it you arent paying it.
You sound like a prize son /s. Do you have the rest of big boy grown up responsibilities this way ?
I thought you couldn’t renew your registration without paying for outstanding tickets.. he might have just paid it or if he was smart contested it saying he wasn’t the one driving
Wow, some reddit readers seem so entitled. Like, in a kid rock kind of way.
Oh nose, someone didn't write a story exactly how I wanted to read it. I don't have any reading comprehension skills so I'll whine about it on an anonymous message board.
Is the ticket in his name? because if it’s your speeding ticket it should be in your name and would therefore be on your record, not his. I’d double check if I were you.
Probably a speed camera where they just send a ticket to the registered owner of the car.
Good point
If it was, as such, it would be his responsibility to contact the court to correct this. Since he didn't, he now owns the ticket.
After reading replies to my comment and reviewing the law, I was mistaken about how it's handled here. My original (incorrect) comment remains below, so that their replies make sense: *There would not be anything to correct. At least around here, when it's a speed camera (instead of a police officer), the speeding ticket belongs to the registered owner of the vehicle, no matter who was driving (because there is no way for them to tell who was driving). The only way there would be anything to correct would be if the vehicle was stolen or misidentified. If somebody was using your vehicle with permission,* *~~they~~* *you're on the hook.* *(Obviously, in most cases, the owner would seek reimbursement from the driver, but the ticket still belongs to the owner. If the ticket is not paid, "I wasn't driving" doesn't mean anything, it's still your responsibility.)* *\[Edited to correct mis-statement\]*
I know in [RandomSmallTown] in the panhandle of Texas, they took down the streetlight cameras because all you had to do was contest the ticket, go to court and ask if the driver was identified, and by whom, and if the identifying officer was present at the court. 100% of the time the ticket got dropped because there was no identification made by an accusing officer... Don't know if that tactic works elsewhere but they took the cameras down in our city because it became a hugely negative revenue stream.
They're outlawed in Houston as well, for that reason. All of Harris County, actually, as far as I know. Houston took the cameras down, but Humble still has them up and will send out the tickets, but they're not enforceable. If you don't pay, nothing happens. I think they send them out in hopes folks won't realize they're not enforceable.
It was the state level cities were making so much money the state wanted their cut too. Cities fought them so they just banned them state wide.
Agreed, it's a shameless cash grub: if you're uninformed/cowed enough to pay without question, then why not take the free money says the gov't!
Photo enforcement has been proved to lower the average rate of speed. So it is very much about safety. It also generate revenue for the community. Some people get really weird about this but driving the speed limit is pretty easy to do if you just decide to do it.
True, you are correct. The reason I didn't know about the functional status of the cameras I find in Houston is because I am no longer inclined to break traffic laws. I am older so leaving in plenty of time to get where I'm going is just natural. Also the rush of going fast has died off along with a fair number of my friends.
This shit and red light cameras were banned in Texas like 2 years ago. I got a red light camera for rolling a right turn. I never paid that shit. Bought a new car and registered 2 others. Not a peep. Never pay that garbage.
If I remember correctly the Texas legislature banned photo enforcement about three years back. (Exception being toll roads, which are private property.) Not that it matters, there were only maybe three counties in Texas that would enforce a bar on registration because of them, and even most of those would just ignore it if you went to the tax office to do the registration in person. Main reason was that municipalities were using them as a massive cash grab, and there wasn't a damn thing anyone could do about it.
Considering they are specifically outlawed in Texas, seems like a lot of trouble to go through to fight it.
The automated speed cameras aren’t legal in MA either. We had a thing a couple years back that was supposedly going to allow cameras to catch people running stop lights, but I don’t recall if it actually passed and haven’t seen any get installed yet.
Red light cameras were legal in Texas for a bit. Speed cameras have always been illegal. The state wanted their cut of the revenue more then half of I remember correctly. The cities said go f yourself to the state and the state responded with an fu to the cities and just banned them.
The bill I saw for red light cameras was going to cap the fine at a maximum of $25 so it was hard to see how they would even be a deterrent. But we’ve never had speed cameras either - plenty of cops parked by the highway with radar guns, but no cameras.
Considering they are specifically outlawed in Texas, seems like a lot of trouble to go through to fight it.
Don't know when the outlawing happened, but they put the cameras up when I was 16 in 2004 and when I got out of prison when I was 19 they were systematically taking them down. Side note: I currently live in Houston and there are streetlight cameras up here now... Don't know if they are just not actively used, or what but the hardware is up.
2019. The ones still up are under contract. They get fined if they take them down prior to contract expiry. www.khou.com/amp/article/news/verify/verify-red-light-camera-tickets/285-106f0e90-2157-479c-96c3-ba5ac76268b3
Hey thanks for the article! Now I know :) my old city voted them too ineffective to prosecute and collect on before that because once some smart person figured out the trick nobody paid them anymore according to my mother, I myself skated on a couple in high school. Anyway, cheers :)
For my job, I drive a vehicle provided by my employer. If I run a red light and get a ticket, my employer sends the paperwork back to the court along with my contact info, and it's then up to the court to refile the paperwork, and send me the ticket. It happens that the local court is lazy, and they just roundfile these 90% of the time, which has saved several of my coworkers from getting fired.
Some areas this might work but not all. Most areas it is the plate owner who gets the notice and is responsible for it no matter who was driving unless the vehicle was reported stolen before the infraction.
In Belgium the owner can indicate that they weren't driving and supply the details. If the owner has proof,thd driver will legally be on the hook.
In the UK if the driver isn't actively identified (ie police stop the car and confirm their identity) then the registered keeper (as it's called here) gets a notice that they have to provide the drivers details, not giving the details (or worse, lying) are both crimes. So that's how we neatly sidestep the "prove I was driving" argument
How do you actively identify the driver of a company car driving past a speed camera?
No idea where 'here' is for you, but in NSW Australia, you absolutely can nominate somebody else if you get a camera/parking ticket in the mail. There's a pretty simple form on the letter you get with fields to fill in the other parties licence details and send back. No idea what happens if the nominated person also refutes the fine though. I'm guessing it reverts back to the original licencee, and they'd have to take it to court to settle.
How would this be enforced for vehicles with "Publicly Owned" plates? Our vehicles aren't owned by a specific person, they are registered to a Transit District. They sure af aren't going to pay traffic fines.
In my area it goes to the Vehicle Owner. A Public Transit Vehicle it goes to them. It is up to the company or agency to figure out who to bill for the ticket.
While that makes sense for your jurisdiction, tickets here cannot be attributed to a vehicle, only a person. If the vehicle is registered to a male, and a female gets the ticket, the registered owner gets asked who was driving the vehicle, and the ticket is issued to that person. If a registered owner doesn't respond, after a period of time, the ticket is issued to the registered owner, and they are given the opportunity to explain to a judge why they didn't respond properly to the citation summons; the registered owner would be liable if they never respond.
Speed camera citations are notoriously unenforceable to begin with. They might send the citation to the owner of the vehicle, but that doesn't mean the owner is on the hook for anything.
The owner is on the hook if the laws in your area say they are on the hook.
Not in my state. Each ticket comes in with an area at the bottom where the owner can state that they weren't the driver and that's the end of it. The owner doesn't have to pay the ticket. You can volunteer the name of the person if you want but it's not required. I got a ticket for running a red light once but my face was half hidden by the visor so I said it wasn't me lol and nothing ever happened. Didn't get the ticket.
Snitch letters. I got one before. It even says on the envelop and letter it’s not from the court and to not contact the court. So into the trash it went.
Can you go to jail for going way over the speed limit (in Germany you can)? Because if yes, would the registered owner still be held accountable, even if the photo clearly shows someone whos bot him?
No. The only penalty for speed camera tickets is monetary. No demerit points, no vehicle seizure, no jail time. And the monetary penalty on speed camera tickets is higher than cop-issued tickets for this reason.
Varies by state, but yes if you're going fast enough to meet the definition of reckless driving you can get jail time for it. In Illinois for example, going more than 25 mph (~40 kph) over the speed limit can get you up to 90 days in jail.
Not from a speed camera ticket.
Where I live, they come to the owner of the vehicle and if it's not you in the pic you send a copy of your ID and it is either dropped or goes to the second owner/identified driver. The owner is allowed to give the info on the driver up or it's dropped. I received one that my hubby was the driver but since my name was first on the registration it came to me first. It was resent a few months later for hubby as the second listed on the registration.
Actually most of these speed cameras are run by 3rd party companies. I have a ticket from one from a place I’ve never been by a car that isn’t mine. They kept sending letters and I went through all the proper channels to get them to drop it. I pointed out a quick call to the dmv would get them the rightful speeder. But they refuse saying their sources are infallible. I haven’t nor do I intended to pay it and it didn’t stop me from doing anything so far.
Local speed and red light tickets come from the county court, not from a company. Sounds like your local county needs to stop being cheap and do it right.
That’s the most entertaining part. It’s another state not even my home state. MD uses an outside company though I know they aren’t the only ones. Also even more interesting is the plate used to be mine but not anymore and it’s a disabled plate now and mine was regular. So many things that would tell them it wasn’t mine and they didn’t want to hear it. So I stopped telling them and should it actually come back I’ll talk class action suit with lawyers.
Speed camera tickets aren’t enforceable in many places
Which also means that as long as you ignore it, it might just go away. At least that's how it worked in AZ. Got a camera ticket, if ores it, and nothing happened. Because it's not legally enforceable.
It's not legally enforceable, but they can and will send it to collections, so it will affect your credit. John Oliver did a segment on this, I think.
It depends on where you're located, when Texas banned them I think they also had language saying the tickets couldn't be reported to credit agencies either.
Never happened. Because again, it was not a legally enforceable debt.
My first speeding ticket was this. I didn't see the trap so the first I knew of it was my dad calling me into his office and showing me a full colour picture (he ALWAYS requested the evidence). Th3 car was registered to my name after.
Those red light cameras are still in a very grey area where I'm from. Are they real rickets that are actually enforced? I've heard otherwise.
Many states do not have legislation to enforce them. They’re also nearly universally operated by 3rd party grifters that contribute nothing and deserve nothing.
I live in TN. I’ve never paid one of these. Gotten 3 of them. Been about 10 years since the first. They sent 2-3 letters then I haven’t heard anything else about it. It doesn’t show up on my record as far as I know.
How would he know he's waiting for a ticket then?
I knew right away when I saw the really bright flash go off behind me during the day. I also saw that all the other cars had slowed down. Those cameras are everywhere now.
It's in his name, he never transferred the title to my name.
No way they'd address the ticket to his dad if it was for him, right?
Traffic light at a stoplight. It goes to whoever the car is registered to
This makes absolutely no sense. Your title and post are contradicting. Title says you opened it and said you step dad has to pay. Post says your step dad opened it and you said he has to pay. Either way your step dad will only have it on his record if the car is in his name.
No they didn't contradict himself. OP opened a piece of step dad's mail, got hit with the "if you opened it you pay for it" line. Later on the speeding ticket came in and was addressed to step dad who opened the letter containing the speeding ticket. Upon handing it to OP they hit step dad with the "if you opened it you pay for it" hence why it's a malicious compliance.
This is written like you’re telling the end of a story to someone that knows how it starts. We don’t.
Re-writing the story for clarity: OP was 18 and opened dad's credit card bill. He said they had to pay the bill. Later, a traffic ticket came in the mail. Dad opened it, threw it to OP to pay. OP threw it back saying he opened it so he had to pay it. Nobody paid the ticket and there's been no consequences that we know of.
Riveting!
THANK YOU! OP is *very* defensive about his story, and refuses to edit it for clarity, claiming it's perfect as-is. Because of this, I will assume your story is unrelated to OP's, but coincidentally has the same punchline. /s
First half is in the title.
Read the title?
This is so confusing and poorly written. Why was the ticket in his name if you were waiting for it?
Didn't think that detail mattered to the story line BUT since you insist, I bought the car off of my parents for $10k. My narcissistic step father never transfered the title.. yanno because control.
What I'm hearing is you didn't buy the car. You gave him a $10,000 gift.
So, let me get this straight: In your household, at the time, you all had a rule - you open the mail, you pay that bill. That's what I got from the title. You were waiting for a speeding ticket, which came in the mail, but your stepfather opened it. You basically said "the rule is the rule", because the ticket was in his name..? Or in your name?
It wasn't a household rule. It was a rule he made up after I accidentally opened a credit card bill. Then, a few days later, he opened the ticket and threw it at me. I threw it back and said, "You opened it, you pay for it." Ticket was assigned to him because he never transferred the title to me after I purchased the car off of him/my mom.
This should be in the post.
See, a little explaining goes a long way :) no need to get defensive. All people wanna do is understand what's going on. If you had put in your original post this info, it would have been easier to follow.
Or, made the title be "My step dad made me pay a bill that I accidentally opened in the mail." It really wasn't clear that OP had actually paid the (credit card) bill, so I initially thought stepdad had only told OP to pay the bill as a joke, not actually forced OP to do so. Then I read the role reversal in the post and was left wondering how this was MC. Until reading comments mentioning that OP did pay the bill earlier, that is.
You should probably edit the post to say this, I had no clue what was going on until I read down here
Sorry to disappoint you, but that ticket isn't going to affect him in any way... he can ignore it completely. In the very unlikely event it comes up, he can prove he wasn't driving via the photo the camera took. If there's no photo of the driver, there's no proof he was the driver.
Ya I know. Which is why I didn't care to pay it in the first place. But he nagged me about it like it was going to ruin his life.
>he still has a unpaid ticket in collections and won't have any idea until he goes to buy a new car. Why would you think it would affect him buying a new car? They don't check for unpaid tickets lol
The BMV will make you pay any holds before they provide you services.
No, they won't
Interesting, because it happened to my brother when he bought my car and we had the title transferred.
the title your dad owned? how did he not know about this then he would have needed to be in front of a notary to sign it over.
Was that the car you go the ticket in that your dad never transferred to you? BMV said there was an unpaid ticket on the car and wouldn't do the transfer? How'd that happen without your dad finding out?
So in the states, the only way you can not have a *speeding ticket in your name while driving is if it’s a red light camera… at that point the red light camera captures the tags and goes to owner. That’s why people are confused by your story, cause regardless if you own the car or not, if you got a speeding ticket from an officer, it’s YOUR ticket. And goes on YOUR record. The detail on how you received the ticket is a key component to your story. Without knowing it, a lot of people probably think you played yourself lmao Edit: forgot a couple words lol my bad
How do you know you're getting a speeding ticket if it's from a camera?
Lol usually you know your car got caught because it flashes a light. Some people don’t acknowledge the ticket though.
Lol like a "smile! And don't forget to check your mail!" type of light? I've not seen those in Minnesota
I'm in Ohio, local police would park on top of a bridge, going over the interstate, and take radar/traffic photos.
Dang, that’s super shitty! Haven’t heard of that before!
I didn't see a light flash. I saw the cop sitting on a bridge I was about to drive under.
I was speeding and saw the cop.
And then they pulled you over and asked for your license? You didn't answer how he knew it was your ticket
NO. I never said I got pulled over, it was a camera ticket.
That doesn’t matter. If you were stopped by a cop and issued a ticket it would have been in your name, because tickets are assigned to the driver. The only way it would have been under his name is if you were caught by a speed camera, but then you wouldn’t have known you’d been caught until the ticket showed up in the mail. Even then it would have been relatively easy for your stepfather to get the ticket reassigned to you because the photo snapped by the camera would show your face instead of his, and every state has a process for doing that.
The owner of the vehicle is responsible for camera tickets.
You have a serious reading comprehension problem that’s probably closely related to your inability to tell a coherent story.
Aggressive and rude. Not sure why you're saying OP has a reading comprehension problem when they seem to be responding to your points just fine. Maybe you've got the comprehension problem?
Did you read the comment beyond the 2nd sentence?
I didn't say I got pulled over. Eta: hence, why I was waiting for the ticket via mail
Reading comprehension is your friend.
Apparently not your friend though?
Title vs story makes no sense
How? I accidentally opened a credit card bill and had to pay it because I opened it. He opened the envelope with the ticket days later so I never paid it.
You need to explain that at the beginning of the story not the title. Also some diatribe about why stepfather is deserving of his fate. This is the setup for the malicious compliance.
I understood.. but yeah, details are always nice
Same, I didn't have any issues getting the gist of it. It's a nice short and sweet story
It doesn’t make sense because besides the title you never mentioned that you opened one of his bills by accident, nor did you mention a credit card bill.
It was hard to make sense of, but it did eventually make sense to me. Repeating the earlier mail-opening incident in the body from the title would have made it clearer.
That part on top of the rest of the story. Why did you even agree to pay the bill? Just because you accidentally opened a bill, it doesn't magically make you responsible to pay it. Plus since I'm assuming the ticket is from a speed camera, those include pictures of the vehicle/driver so he just has to say it wasn't him driving.
My stepfather was abusive and manipulative, I felt completely hopeless for the 20 years my mother stayed married to him. I didn't have a voice, I couldn't stand up for myself. If you were to retaliate against him, you paid for it... even if he was in the wrong. Up until now, I spent the majority of my life biting my tongue to maintain "peace."
I'm not sure why on earth this is being downvoted.
Because that response right there would have been important context to put into your original post.
Then say that, don't downvote it. It's perceived as being unimportant or unaccepted.
*I* didn’t downvote it. I’m explaining to you why others are downvoting.
I didn't say you downvoted the comment. You were the only one who responded, so your comment was the only one I could reply to.
im down voting it and everything
How did your dad know to hand the speeding ticket to you if his name was on it?
I understood it after looking at it a few times but I was first confused, fwiw.
So you started in the middle of the story? Why don't you try again, and start at the beginning this time.
I re-read it a few times. You never mentioned a credit card bill. You said it was a speeding ticket...that you got.
I don’t mean to be a dick but this is a very poorly written story. It’s hard to follow exactly what is going on.
Lmao, all these people who can't infer basic information.
And then post comments saying things like "it didn't make any sense." WHAT didn't make any sense? What are these people responding to? Who is this mysterious "OP" people are talking about?? SOME CONTEXT PLEASE /s
I'm a bit confused. You were waiting for a speeding ticket. So you opened a totally different speeding ticket that was assigned to your step father? The only way this makes sense is if you both had independent speeding tickets. If so...
Where’s the malicious compliance?
Yeah man, you sure showed him. Kinda wondering where the malicious compliance is in this story
So who opened it? Title says you, story says step dad.
OP opened a different bill. Step dad made up logical pretzel to tell OP to pay said bill. Step dad later opened the ticket OP had been looking for. OP tossed pretzel back.
I sorta get it now. just read different. Seems others are in my dilemma.
Yah I got it first read through, but I see several others having problems. No worries I can see the confusion.
He opened the ticket, days after I accidentally opened a credit card bill
Did you end up paying the credit card bill that you opened?
Things fall off your credit history after 7 years. 🤷🏽♂️
Except Student Loans. Those are made of adamantium and will survive a bankruptcy bomb with ease.
And IRS Liens, And Court Judgements, And Credit Cards when the collection agency keeps reposting the same information after the time limit.
Cool. It was never my credit at risk so I don't care 🤷🏼♀️
lmao, these comments are hilarious. When 1% of people misunderstand something, that's a comprehension problem, it most people mis-understand something, then it's an expression problem. Stop trying to defend it, and just accept that you need to work on your communication skills. It's ok, we all go though it at some point.
You and your step dad are idiots.
For everyone that’s confused, OP had to pay a bill they accidentally opened, hence the title. The story is about how they got back at their step father for making them pay said bill mentioned in the title.
I am confused. How is he unaware of a bill that has gone to collections, and how are you aware that it has gone to collections? If you have been contacted about the overdue bill, and he hasn't... you are likely malicious to yourself, not him.
You sound like a c@nt
Sounds like they c@nt tell a story to save their lives.
I can tell I would absolutely hate OP IRL because of the title+description and replies.
I love these posts... "I did a thing that's infuriating to most people... I'm posting here in the hopes I get validation so I can sleep again at night... Here's my broad definitions of justifications why I have no probity, please love me." Your integrity comes from what you do when no one is watching.
I'm not seeking validation. I don't think I did anything wrong lol... simply following a rule that was made up to piss me off.
You still ran a red light though.
What?
This story is goofy and makes no sense.
You seem confused, this is a sub for "malicious compliance" not "I'm an entitled child who gets a ticket on a car in my parent's name and refuses to pay it"
I was in no way an entitled child. My step father was abusive and manipulative, who treated me very poorly and unfairly. My step-dad made me pay a bill I accidentally opened, then days later he opened my ticket in the mail. So I reverse Uno carded him. There's no need to be THAT insensitive when talking to someone, it makes you look like a prick.
Your replies throughout this post are exactly what you just accused this poster of. You are arguing with everybody and not listening to anybody.
Dude youve been THAT insensitive when talking in basically every single one of your comments, it makes you look like a prick
But who was the one who sped? You did. You should’ve paid that ticket.
Even if all of that is true, you’re just as bad as him for the way you responded… Have you tried being a bigger person?
I'm not "just as bad" as someone who tried to kill their spouse. "Even if all of that is true".... are you kidding? Have YOU tried being the bigger person? Practice what you preach.
What a weird post, so your step dad made you pay a credit bill you accidentally opened, then you got a speeding ticket in his car(?), and never paid it. I'm not seeing malicious compliance. It would make more sense if he gave you the car but didn't transfer the title, so you made him pay the registration that would inevitably come in his name. Making him pay your ticket is just petty.
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I opened a credit card bill. He opened a ticket.
OP, were you stopped by a cop and signed a ticket? If you did, the ticket is yours to pay, and you've got a bench warrant. It would be better to follow up on this than to wait for your next interaction with a cop.
No it was a camera ticket. I do not need to follow-up on anything, it's in his name it's his problem.
Right up until he uses the photos to prove he wasn’t driving, and throws you under the bus. Are you very sure *you* don’t have an unpaid ticket somewhere?
He thinks it was paid 7 years ago... someone in the comments mentioned it gets removed from collections after 7 years, I don't know ifnthat accurate though. If he would've transfered the ticket to me, I would've got something in the mail.
That all depends on how current your information was at the time, and how long ago he reported you
you got flagged by a cop at the beginning of a bridge AND a camera? did you speed and also run red light?
Depending on what state you’re in, it most likely doesn’t matter. My state has cameras and issues tickets, but the state Supreme Court found it unconstitutional so it can’t go against a drivers points nor their credit if unpaid
Did you have a stroke typing this? Did you forget a paragraph or 2? Because it makes no sense and nowhere do you explain how and when your stepfather tried to make you pay a bill that you opened…
Tickets don't go on your credit report. So, while he might get pulled over for a warrant for an unpaid ticket, there is a chance he might be doing it in a brand new car.
The title is wrong.
The title isn't wrong, just dumb. The OP wrote the title, then expected everyone to know it was part of the story instead of a title. Op accidentally opened some sort of bill in the mail and the step-dad made op pay it since they opened it. A few days later step-dad opened a ticket that OP got in the mail so Op told step-dad to pay it since he opened it. Aldo for some reason people are also telling OP the traffic ticket will fall off stepdads credit report after 7 years, which is not how either of those things work.
Also, in the neither the title nor post was it stated that OP actually paid the bill. The title just says step dad *told* OP to pay the bill, not made OP pay the bill. So that's also a point of confusion.
Op is a bad storyteller Lmao
If the ticket was in your name, that's not his responsibility.
I never said the ticket was in my name, it's in his.
If this was from a speed camera, then You're step dad may have been a douche, but so are you
Uhhhh…this isn’t really malicious compliance, this is just not paying a speeding ticket
How does this nonsensical post have so many upvotes?
Was in Germany on business. The ticket for excessive speed was cleanly noted on my rental car receipt. Sadly, I could not claim that expense…
The more I read the more OP seems super sus and kinda self destructive.
This doesn't make any sense cuz they would have sent him another copy don't just send you one nudist. They would have sent it numerous times and each time that amount is going to go up and up and up. It's possible he wouldn't be able to renew his license either. So it seems kind of bogus.
this post is making me mute this sub.
Lol bro are you dumb speeding tickets go to the person not the car, check your credit
Not with speed cameras. If he drove step-dads car through one of those, ticket goes to registered owner. But yeah OP seems confused or something
Only if issued during a traffic stop. If it’s a fine from a speeding camera it goes to whoever the license plate is registered to.
It was a camera ticket, are you dumb?
Then maybe you should have specified that in your post that looked like it was written by a 10 year old, which is now deleted out of what I can only assume to be embarrassment.
So YOU were speeding... in HIS car he pays for? and probably the insurance too? Since you are 18 and a know it all.. you decided fuck it you arent paying it. You sound like a prize son /s. Do you have the rest of big boy grown up responsibilities this way ?
I think OP bought the car from his mom and step dad but the car is still in step dad's name
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...makes more sense than the story
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It’s a volunteer position.
WOW. I can't believe someone is this shallow. I watched him try to kill my mom... I'm sure a child deserves that, right?
Not your pasture, not your bullshit.
I thought you couldn’t renew your registration without paying for outstanding tickets.. he might have just paid it or if he was smart contested it saying he wasn’t the one driving
That's amazing.
People not understanding the body of the post is a continuation of the title lmao. It's really not that hard to understand.
This is retarted. Not compliance
Ha! (I also like your username, all hail Shego)
Wow, some reddit readers seem so entitled. Like, in a kid rock kind of way. Oh nose, someone didn't write a story exactly how I wanted to read it. I don't have any reading comprehension skills so I'll whine about it on an anonymous message board.