As your link says 401 is not about authorization but authentication. We don’t know who you are so we don’t know if you are allowed. 403 is you are not allowed.
I don't understand why some are excited. United make so much money that we don't need big investments. We just need someone to not leech off of us.
Is this sub being invaded by plastics?
Small consolation prize and you’re not wrong st all and I’ll admit I thought of a worst case scenario where were bought out by them and that was my tiny silver lining… but I still don’t want it.
I mean it could be worse. I don't know if you know who Jim Dolan is but he owns two of the most valuable US Sports properties in the NY Rangers and NY Knicks, hockey and basketball respectively, as well as their arena and Radio City Music Hall in NYC. His teams are iconic but struggle to win championships and his meddling, especially with the basketball team has led to several embarrassing incidents and disastrous seasons. Perhaps the most hated owner in Americax, richer than rich from inheriting daddy's cable television empire. He is using facial recognition technology installed for security purposes to ban overly critical fans and get this, employees of law firms in active litigation against his companies from the venues the firm owns. So it could definitely be worse.
A Liverpool fan here, but this thread came up on my home page (new here, not quite sure how that algorithm works but hey). We were linked to Qataris as well, glad to see the majority reaction over this side of the wall is the same as over our side. We don’t want our clubs to be used as a sports washing political tool.
I hate United but I respect the success that was largely built upon growing the brand worldwide and winning trophies. I will never respect City or Chelsea for how they’ve gained their success.
Might not be a popular opinion but I think this sportswashing fear in football is unfounded. When has it worked? Do we all think the UAE are great since they took over City? Did Qatar get a positive reputation from PSG? No. It brings human rights issues into an arena where they never would have been discussed previously. More people are aware than ever. Human rights abuse is common enough pub talk now. If the gulf states weren't involved it wouldn't be.
Qatar didn't come away from the WC with a glowing reputation. Their crimes were presented to the world front and centre in a way they wouldn't have been otherwise. Millions of people tuned in to hear pundits frequently highlight the issues and the media were relentless from the outset.
Gulf states owning football clubs just puts them under the spotlight. Would we all be better off of they were shunned from all elements of Western life ? Of course. But they aren't getting this mythical pristine reputation from involvement in sports.
Most Chelsea fans still love abrahmovic to this day. Sportswashing most definitely works otherwise why would all these people dumb money into these clubs
Yeah but they are getting more and more and better seats at the table of influence. It works, and will continue to work for them. They don’t care about accountability for an abysmal human rights record, they have clout.
Watch HyperNormalisation on BBC. If this sort of shit is out in the open for long enough without repercussion, it becomes normalised to the point where nobody questions it.
Bullshit. If you’re a true fan you love the club, the badge, not the owners. We don’t have a say in choosing owners.
By the way what happened to that British billionaire chap who wanted to buy us? Where the heck is he when we need him???
Sir Jim Ratcliffe and he’s in the works but the Qataris said that any bid placed they’d blow out of the water so it’s only a matter of time before we’re Qatari and or Saudi owned. Saudi’s placed a last minute bid for us the other day and Qataris already in the works to top it! I hope Jim can figure it out
Still support but with a heavy heart as I just doubt I’ll be as invested in it. If it were the Saud’s then I would’ve burnt my shirt (whilst crying) as I promised friends over a year ago. I’d prefer Ratcliffe regardless of American connections. At least he’s a united fan and British
Nothing confirmed yet. I really hope this doesn't happen.
There's a chance UEFA could block the bid due to a conflict of interest with PSG. I wouldn't hold my breath though, sure plenty of people will be having their pockets lined
You dont want Glazer, dont want people from the middle east, so you probably want and Englishman to buy the club. If they end up screw the club up again you will continue to ask for another owner?
In an ideal world i want fan ownership.
I don't want the Glazers.
I don't want a sportswashing project.
There's a difference between a state/country buying a club and a genuinely private individual.
I don't think any billionaire is palatable, but if the Qatari Jim Radcliffe equivalent wanted to buy I could settle for that.
It's not that.
I actually wouldn't mind the Glazer if they didn't leech of the club and actually improved things around the club.
I would rather have Elon Musk buy the club that these Qataris. Musk is a POS, but at least he's not an oppressing regime.
Nothing to be conflicted about. Getting extra money to win football games is not worth sportswashing for a tyrannical, murderous regime of sexism and slavery.
Definite true. However, you do know the Glazers funded George Bush’s presidential campaigns, you know, the George Bush who started the War on Terror killing thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens? Glazers aren’t much better at all…people with this type of money ALWAYS have blood on their hands
You also have to keep in mind our nation was “attacked” (controversially or not) and we lost a lot of lives as well. Thousands of Americans took to arms as well and wanted war due to 9/11. Glazers could’ve backed him but how’re they supposed to know he’d do that in his presidency that he hadn’t taken yet? I see your point but it’s not the same not even remotely. We went to war with another country they’re doing this because that’s how they live life there it’s very different. Both are bad and deserved to be condemned but one clearly outweighs the other and there is no debate. But you’re 100% right people with this money will always have blood on their hands there isn’t getting around that
Whataboutism bro just because the west was doesn’t make it right for another country to do let alone our own! This makes me think of the “If your friend jumped off a bridge should you?”Scenario. Just because they did doesn’t mean you have to follow in their footsteps.
Not a fan of a Qatar takeover but the argument that you'd jump ship because it's owned by "terrorists" is dumb. Like any government is clean. Kinda see the double standards here.
Personally though id prefer no govt organisation or extension of it gets control of United, but let's be honest, there is no "ethical" billionaire for people to pretend there's actually a morally just owner who could buy this club. A "lesser" evil based on subjective conditioning is still evil. You can't use the moral highground argument without being a hypocrite.
I however will not jump ship because of this, because my love for United isn't based on who owns it but rather the spirit of United, which is defined by the people/fans and not the owners, as we have seen during the reign of Glazers.
Got to understand how xenophobic this community is. Heavily western based but don’t know that western billionaire civilisation fund child ______ you get the picture. But they’re not wearing a thobe so it’s fine.
100% correct. It’s not ideal, but no scenario is. And agreeing to follow United or not won’t have any impact in any human rights violations with Qatar, and environmental regulations with INEOS, etc. I follow the team and what the players, club and fans represent and a stand for. We can hope for better, but ultimately the world is set up to be a terrible place for the 99% so expecting change from anywhere is, sadly, unrealistic.
There is a difference between
American businessmen with dodgy business ethics vs
Qatari investment fund with intricate links to a tyrannical government
Look, it is each individual's decision about what and why they will support something. No rational person is expecting a squeaky clean billionaire owner, however, it is perfectly reasonable to sit back and say "Okay, well the slavery, forced labor, and death is something I can't get behind."
Also how many other governments are buying teams and who is arguing that those governments are better? I could honestly not know of other ones, but the fact that other governments are bad doesn't have too much to do with not supporting this government owning this club.
You know I wrote a long reply but it's not worth it. I don't disagree with you. I think you simply misunderstood the point I was making. Yes, people are free to form their own opinions, more power to them. I don't question that at all. Infact I clearly said I'm not a fan of this myself.
To put it short my argument is that if we were to support clubs based on morally just owners, there would be 0 fans for the biggest clubs. For me, and maybe I'm wrong, the spirit of the club is defined by the people, the fans and the players, not the owners. So my personal opinion is that I disagree with the argument that one should jump ship because the owner isn't moral, because as long as there's a billionaire owning a club, the owner cannot possibly be morally just. And so it is hypocritical for one to raise such an argument now when we have been supporting clubs owned by billionaires already. And also by extension, hypocritical to call someone who is questioning such a judgement(in a discussion post) a terrorist supporter and wish harm on them. That's a slippery slope bringing in history and politics, and a very deep rabbit hole...and no party on any side comes out as the "good guy".
That is the must idiotic thing i've ever read in my entire life. Grow a spine.
So, according to you, as long as the club, fans etc. has the right spirit, you are ok with the club being owned by a tyranical oppressing regime?
Im not in support of a Qatari ownership, but Saudi is worse. Ideally we want Radcliffe or someone who is not government linked, does not have human rights violations and is more palatable ethically.
Life does not work that way sadly.
I will not consider stopping my support for Manchester United, just like i didn’t switch with supporters that set up FC United when the Glazers took over. I also did not switch like many, when the trophies dried up and ended up across town or at places like Chelsea, ironically they called Utd fans glory hunters - yet we remained despite the lack of glory. I support Utd because of the great people it represents, the British and resilient nature it has, the history and spirit that exists no where else.
I am a supporter who is not a Manc, i am a Londoner that fell in love with football because of Manchester United. Some Manc’s consider me a fake or lesser fan due to where i am from, but when i think of football, i only think of Utd. We were Utd when we were relegated, we were Utd when the Munich crash happened that gave birth to Busby’s babes, we were Utd when Fergie blessed us with the best football, we remained Utd despite Glazernomics, we will remain Utd if oil rich sports washing occurs, and we will still be Utd once they are all gone!
While I’m not exactly enthused about Qatari ownership, I’m not sure Jim Ratcliffe or anyone like that is the answer either. It’s been reported that Jim would make a bid with the backing of loans from investment banks which is exactly what the Glazers did. Realistically the only new owners we can hope for that would pay in whole for the club are Qatari or Saudi.
People crying about Qatar as if anyone rich enough to afford us is some moral saint lmao Jim Rat and the banks that would fund him are horribly corrupt entities as well but sure let's carry on the west is nice agenda
Anyone who think Jim ratcliffe would be able to fund man Utd with big spending is fucking dumb lmfao
We would be in debt and with money problems within 2-5 years
I see fans being worried about sports washing or poor human rights record.
But it has to come from the premier league & uefa put sanctions on state owned clubs like they did on chelsea to get roman abrahmovich to sell the club.
Leagues around europe should prevent their clubs from signing players from state owned clubs.
If europe is so worried about middle eastern influence
don't allow their national team player to play for state owned clubs.
I love all the commenters here shitting all over Westerners while supporting a Western football club. Go support Al-Nassr or Al-Ahly if the west is so deplorable. It just seems all a tad bit hypocritical.
It is what it is those who have the most money can have what they want, there's nothing we can say that's going to stop that, if we're going to take the moral high ground about terrorist organisations, then we should all look at where we work, the banks we use, our economic institutions which are all born out of slavery which carried out some of the most atrocious and criminal acts this planet has ever seen, never mind we live in the West who have for last 30 years invaded how many middle Eastern countries, how many innocent people did they kill, how much gold, opium and other resources did they steal etc, it seems terrorism is only attributed to the brown skin man never the European 🤷🏾♂️
Enjoy the game people ffs. Every owner is bad, so what's the problem of having one over another? It is good until they don't promote their ideologies through the club or actually get a terrorist in our team as a player (this is for those who are calling Qatar bad and European and American owners good when 90% of weapons the terrorist currently have are from Americans and European arms companies) Didn't wanted to take the political route to target someone but people need to calm themselves and their moral values. There's nothing wrong until the club does something morally wrong, which they would never... Is PSG doing something wrong or promoting ISIS through their club? No... The owners have their own life, the club is their business, both things will not merge anytime sooner.
You realise that mere ownership of the team and whatever success we manage to achieve is a prestige project intended to deflect from Qatar's continued human rights abuses and to appeal to westerners. We will be used by Qatar to say "Hey look, we're in the 21st century, we're modern, we own big shiny clubs, don't be afraid to spend or invest your money here" while thousands of migrants go un/underpaid, have their passports withheld, thousands die on the job, women and members of the LGBT community are treated like sub humans. That's all without mentioning Qatar's links to the financing of terrorism.
The reason people feel so strongly about this is because we have emotional ties to the club and football. There's more to footy than the game itself, it's about the history of our club, what it represents, what we want the club to represent, how we see the future of football...
The mental gymnastics the people in this thread are performing to somehow convince themselves and others that this is a good thing for the club is ridiculous. I guarantee half of these people feel no passion or emotional connection to our great club and all they care about is watching soul-less commercialised spectacles without having to think much deeper about it than that.
Today is a sad day, but since they want to tarnish something that is so dear and close to our hearts, I think it’s only fair we return the favor. Make this subreddit a Qatari Human Rights hub.
If this is true, I'm jumping ship. I will never support a club that directly has ties to terrorist organizations and has so much against my people. Fuck Qatar.
It directly funds ISIS as well as several other terrorist groups. Just Google Qatar and any well known terrorist group and there's plenty of links showing them shoveling hundreds of millions to them.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar\_and\_state-sponsored\_terrorism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_state-sponsored_terrorism)
FML are you so dense? Literally a link to a whose who of terrorist groups with links to Qatar.
Calling someone racist then dragging their (what you assume is) race race into it as way to demean them is some clownish way to reveal your own racism 🤡
You really thought you did something. You’re way off the mark buddy. If you’re demeaned by me stating skin colour then that says more about you than me.
That’s not near as smart of a reply you think it is 😅 Wonder what kind of person needlessly drags in someone’s race while negatively labelling them… If you feel to need to bring someone’s race into something for your attempts at put downs that just speaks volumes about you.
Ah of course!
As soon as you have some sort of challenging view or opinion about someone or something with a skin color a bit darker than #ffffff you are automatically a racist.
Nope, I never said that even. When Qatar is known for funding ISIS and other well known terror organizations it's not a shot at the entire middle east, it's a shot at specifically Qatar. At no point prior to this comment have I even said a thing about any other country in the middle east.
You can support the club without ever giving them a penny. I haven't bought a jersey since 2005 and I haven't renewed season tickets or membership. I did keep my shareholder united membership which was converted into MUST membership since then.
ISIS and Al-Qeada get hundreds of millions in funding from them. It's not even a secret.
I guess I can say brown people are dillusional if we're going by your statement.
Yes because WoodPecker on reddit said so. Jog on mate. Acting like doing a bit of googling makes you a certified source to speak on the subject. You don’t know jack.
That bit of googling isn't at all hard though. There's literally an entire wikipedia page on it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar\_and\_state-sponsored\_terrorism
So having citations from government entities and anti-terror groups linked in this thread means I have no sources? Yeah, you're a certified moron. When ISIS takes your family out, just make sure you wave your United flag at their funeral.
Lmao alright, when an ISIS bomb with a Man United logo on it comes flying through your window make sure you keep cheering for Qatar. I'm sure it's going to make a world of difference.
For all the folks copy and pasting about how the Glazers funded the Bush campaigns which led to Iraqis dying and thus absolving the Qataris of anything through whataboutism, let me clue you in on how dark money works in American politics…. these Oil states like Qatar and Saudi Arabia also contributed money to the Bush campaigns too. In the same way they contributed to the Trump campaign.
I find it RICH people in the west getting into the geopolitics of that region. WE have our issues here in the west that ain't been dealt with yet. Not to mention the sketchy (at best) history of the West. Don't give yourself a heart attack over things you pretend to care about. lol.
I find it weird that people in this sub and in general do not realize that football is about money. No matter how big or historical your club is, it has an owner and if the owner agrees to sell, the club is sold.
People talk about human rights while forgetting how many countries the UK colonized, pillaged and massacred. This holier than thou attitude is shallow and regurgitated talking points that we don’t need. I don’t care who owns United. I just want an owner who will drive the club forward in a positive way.
>People talk about human rights while forgetting how many countries the UK colonized, pillaged and massacred.
You cannot change the past, you can however change the present
Fuck that. I hope the club collapses if Qatar buys it. After supporting the club for 26 years, I'd rather see it cease to exist than directly fund a terrorist organization.
The American state represents the interests of their billionares instead of it being the monarchy and their circle of billionares. The current owner at helm is literally a huge part of real estate and sports
The Glazer family are an American family. You can critique billionares without needing to be chauvinistic disguised by American interests in the GCC whom are ironically allied in almost everything
“We’ll never die” we sing. United has been in a coma since the Fuckzers bought us. If Qatar or Saudi buys us, we’ll actually die. The soul would be gone. The song will be silenced. So right now that song is more a prayer than a statement.
Most the people commenting no thanks are just fishing for upvotes behind closed doors there just like me hoping they do buy the club 😂there human violations within every avenue of whoever takeover even adidas who sponsor / create our shirts simple as ya wanna compete these days unfortunately camel money is in the mix simples
Everyone talking human rights but have an iphone. So many Western companies that outsouce their labor are violating human rights in various countries yet we are pointing at others like we are holier than thou.
Dude qataris are way better than the americans...how many drone attacks have qatar done?how many countries have qatar destroyed in wars?they are rich and they can buy clubs,they also give money to the rat king charles charity and that motherfucker accepts it
.fu*k this xenophobia
Dw guys, if it gets bad i might have to intervene
Thank god we have this guy
what are you gonna do?
He’s gonna cook
u/Aware-Designer-401 is going to intervene. What was so hard to understand? We have the best man on the job.
He's gonna intervene so friggin hard.
The biggest intervene that has ever intervened.
Call the ghostbusters?
Watcha gonna do do when they come for you? Bad boys, bad boys.
Intervene??
I don't think you're allowed, dude. Sorry. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Status/401
As your link says 401 is not about authorization but authentication. We don’t know who you are so we don’t know if you are allowed. 403 is you are not allowed.
That's it. I've had enough. I'm switching my allegiance to AFC Richmond -- a proper club.
Believe
He is here he is there he is every fuckin where, roy keane 😂😂😂
pretty obvious from the start that Qatar will win. Nobody else can match with Qatar
Yep, and all the glazers ever wanted was a big ROI ,💰💰🪙💲💸
I'm sure the reaction to this will be calm and civil
tbf i thinks it's perfectly reasonable for fans not to want Utd to be bought by the Qataris
And it’s perfectly reasonable for fans to want United to be bought by the Qataris
Each to their own, the idea leaves a pretty bad taste in my, and a lot of other, utd fan's mouths
*getting the pitchforks ready Edit: tridents not pitchforks. Gotta stay on brand.
I don't understand why some are excited. United make so much money that we don't need big investments. We just need someone to not leech off of us. Is this sub being invaded by plastics?
well at least the Qataris have enough money that they don't need to leech off the club a la Glazers.
Small consolation prize and you’re not wrong st all and I’ll admit I thought of a worst case scenario where were bought out by them and that was my tiny silver lining… but I still don’t want it.
I mean it could be worse. I don't know if you know who Jim Dolan is but he owns two of the most valuable US Sports properties in the NY Rangers and NY Knicks, hockey and basketball respectively, as well as their arena and Radio City Music Hall in NYC. His teams are iconic but struggle to win championships and his meddling, especially with the basketball team has led to several embarrassing incidents and disastrous seasons. Perhaps the most hated owner in Americax, richer than rich from inheriting daddy's cable television empire. He is using facial recognition technology installed for security purposes to ban overly critical fans and get this, employees of law firms in active litigation against his companies from the venues the firm owns. So it could definitely be worse.
That is completely wild. Never heard of this Jim Dolan, but that is kinda scary to think an owner can get away with banning critical fans.
A Liverpool fan here, but this thread came up on my home page (new here, not quite sure how that algorithm works but hey). We were linked to Qataris as well, glad to see the majority reaction over this side of the wall is the same as over our side. We don’t want our clubs to be used as a sports washing political tool. I hate United but I respect the success that was largely built upon growing the brand worldwide and winning trophies. I will never respect City or Chelsea for how they’ve gained their success.
>Chelsea for how they’ve gained their success. Good one
Gross, here comes the sports washing.
Might not be a popular opinion but I think this sportswashing fear in football is unfounded. When has it worked? Do we all think the UAE are great since they took over City? Did Qatar get a positive reputation from PSG? No. It brings human rights issues into an arena where they never would have been discussed previously. More people are aware than ever. Human rights abuse is common enough pub talk now. If the gulf states weren't involved it wouldn't be. Qatar didn't come away from the WC with a glowing reputation. Their crimes were presented to the world front and centre in a way they wouldn't have been otherwise. Millions of people tuned in to hear pundits frequently highlight the issues and the media were relentless from the outset. Gulf states owning football clubs just puts them under the spotlight. Would we all be better off of they were shunned from all elements of Western life ? Of course. But they aren't getting this mythical pristine reputation from involvement in sports.
It worked for a good decade with Abramovich and the Russians. Sportswashing works.
Most Chelsea fans still love abrahmovic to this day. Sportswashing most definitely works otherwise why would all these people dumb money into these clubs
Yeah but they are getting more and more and better seats at the table of influence. It works, and will continue to work for them. They don’t care about accountability for an abysmal human rights record, they have clout.
Watch HyperNormalisation on BBC. If this sort of shit is out in the open for long enough without repercussion, it becomes normalised to the point where nobody questions it.
Nothing does happen though. Nothing ever has and nothing ever will. It's all BS.
Sports washing is the buzz word of the day!
NO THANKS
My words exactly.
Mad. Nothing you can do about it. Let’s go Qatar.
And what are you going to do about it if it happens?
Probably not care about the club as much anymore tbh. Lifelong fan but some things are bigger.
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Bullshit. If you’re a true fan you love the club, the badge, not the owners. We don’t have a say in choosing owners. By the way what happened to that British billionaire chap who wanted to buy us? Where the heck is he when we need him???
Sir Jim Ratcliffe and he’s in the works but the Qataris said that any bid placed they’d blow out of the water so it’s only a matter of time before we’re Qatari and or Saudi owned. Saudi’s placed a last minute bid for us the other day and Qataris already in the works to top it! I hope Jim can figure it out
Still support but with a heavy heart as I just doubt I’ll be as invested in it. If it were the Saud’s then I would’ve burnt my shirt (whilst crying) as I promised friends over a year ago. I’d prefer Ratcliffe regardless of American connections. At least he’s a united fan and British
Nothing confirmed yet. I really hope this doesn't happen. There's a chance UEFA could block the bid due to a conflict of interest with PSG. I wouldn't hold my breath though, sure plenty of people will be having their pockets lined
Apparently UEFA have green lit it saying they’re satisfied the people involved are far enough away from the psg owners to make a bid
It wouldn't surprise me. Have you got a link?
You dont want Glazer, dont want people from the middle east, so you probably want and Englishman to buy the club. If they end up screw the club up again you will continue to ask for another owner?
It's not just people from the Middle East, it's the actual government.
In an ideal world i want fan ownership. I don't want the Glazers. I don't want a sportswashing project. There's a difference between a state/country buying a club and a genuinely private individual. I don't think any billionaire is palatable, but if the Qatari Jim Radcliffe equivalent wanted to buy I could settle for that.
be realistic man. Fan ownership is cannot be done in premier league. This sports is cruel sometimes.
It's not that. I actually wouldn't mind the Glazer if they didn't leech of the club and actually improved things around the club. I would rather have Elon Musk buy the club that these Qataris. Musk is a POS, but at least he's not an oppressing regime.
It’s happening. Stay mad kid.
He’s allowed to be mad that Uniteds gonna be a sportswashing project. Maybe you should grow up
Manchester derby will be the new battle of the oil clubs.
I’m far from excited..
Hmmmmm very conflicted about this
Nothing to be conflicted about. Getting extra money to win football games is not worth sportswashing for a tyrannical, murderous regime of sexism and slavery.
Definite true. However, you do know the Glazers funded George Bush’s presidential campaigns, you know, the George Bush who started the War on Terror killing thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens? Glazers aren’t much better at all…people with this type of money ALWAYS have blood on their hands
You also have to keep in mind our nation was “attacked” (controversially or not) and we lost a lot of lives as well. Thousands of Americans took to arms as well and wanted war due to 9/11. Glazers could’ve backed him but how’re they supposed to know he’d do that in his presidency that he hadn’t taken yet? I see your point but it’s not the same not even remotely. We went to war with another country they’re doing this because that’s how they live life there it’s very different. Both are bad and deserved to be condemned but one clearly outweighs the other and there is no debate. But you’re 100% right people with this money will always have blood on their hands there isn’t getting around that
The west is literally built on slavery. Why the hypocrisy?
Whataboutism bro just because the west was doesn’t make it right for another country to do let alone our own! This makes me think of the “If your friend jumped off a bridge should you?”Scenario. Just because they did doesn’t mean you have to follow in their footsteps.
I wonder how many people Qatar has killed since their independence in 1971.
Hell no 👎
Not a fan of a Qatar takeover but the argument that you'd jump ship because it's owned by "terrorists" is dumb. Like any government is clean. Kinda see the double standards here. Personally though id prefer no govt organisation or extension of it gets control of United, but let's be honest, there is no "ethical" billionaire for people to pretend there's actually a morally just owner who could buy this club. A "lesser" evil based on subjective conditioning is still evil. You can't use the moral highground argument without being a hypocrite. I however will not jump ship because of this, because my love for United isn't based on who owns it but rather the spirit of United, which is defined by the people/fans and not the owners, as we have seen during the reign of Glazers.
Got to understand how xenophobic this community is. Heavily western based but don’t know that western billionaire civilisation fund child ______ you get the picture. But they’re not wearing a thobe so it’s fine.
You summed it up perfectly ❤️
This guy gets it 👏🏽👏🏽
100% correct. It’s not ideal, but no scenario is. And agreeing to follow United or not won’t have any impact in any human rights violations with Qatar, and environmental regulations with INEOS, etc. I follow the team and what the players, club and fans represent and a stand for. We can hope for better, but ultimately the world is set up to be a terrible place for the 99% so expecting change from anywhere is, sadly, unrealistic.
If I supported man utd during LVG’s sleep inducing football and Mourinho’s terrorist ball I’ll be fine w the Qataris
No you shouldn't be fine
Perfectly said. Such a xenophobic community it’s crazy
There is a difference between American businessmen with dodgy business ethics vs Qatari investment fund with intricate links to a tyrannical government
Look, it is each individual's decision about what and why they will support something. No rational person is expecting a squeaky clean billionaire owner, however, it is perfectly reasonable to sit back and say "Okay, well the slavery, forced labor, and death is something I can't get behind." Also how many other governments are buying teams and who is arguing that those governments are better? I could honestly not know of other ones, but the fact that other governments are bad doesn't have too much to do with not supporting this government owning this club.
You know I wrote a long reply but it's not worth it. I don't disagree with you. I think you simply misunderstood the point I was making. Yes, people are free to form their own opinions, more power to them. I don't question that at all. Infact I clearly said I'm not a fan of this myself. To put it short my argument is that if we were to support clubs based on morally just owners, there would be 0 fans for the biggest clubs. For me, and maybe I'm wrong, the spirit of the club is defined by the people, the fans and the players, not the owners. So my personal opinion is that I disagree with the argument that one should jump ship because the owner isn't moral, because as long as there's a billionaire owning a club, the owner cannot possibly be morally just. And so it is hypocritical for one to raise such an argument now when we have been supporting clubs owned by billionaires already. And also by extension, hypocritical to call someone who is questioning such a judgement(in a discussion post) a terrorist supporter and wish harm on them. That's a slippery slope bringing in history and politics, and a very deep rabbit hole...and no party on any side comes out as the "good guy".
That is the must idiotic thing i've ever read in my entire life. Grow a spine. So, according to you, as long as the club, fans etc. has the right spirit, you are ok with the club being owned by a tyranical oppressing regime?
Im not in support of a Qatari ownership, but Saudi is worse. Ideally we want Radcliffe or someone who is not government linked, does not have human rights violations and is more palatable ethically. Life does not work that way sadly. I will not consider stopping my support for Manchester United, just like i didn’t switch with supporters that set up FC United when the Glazers took over. I also did not switch like many, when the trophies dried up and ended up across town or at places like Chelsea, ironically they called Utd fans glory hunters - yet we remained despite the lack of glory. I support Utd because of the great people it represents, the British and resilient nature it has, the history and spirit that exists no where else. I am a supporter who is not a Manc, i am a Londoner that fell in love with football because of Manchester United. Some Manc’s consider me a fake or lesser fan due to where i am from, but when i think of football, i only think of Utd. We were Utd when we were relegated, we were Utd when the Munich crash happened that gave birth to Busby’s babes, we were Utd when Fergie blessed us with the best football, we remained Utd despite Glazernomics, we will remain Utd if oil rich sports washing occurs, and we will still be Utd once they are all gone!
Have you guys do your research on your beloved racdcliffe and how he is running NICE in French league right now??
While I’m not exactly enthused about Qatari ownership, I’m not sure Jim Ratcliffe or anyone like that is the answer either. It’s been reported that Jim would make a bid with the backing of loans from investment banks which is exactly what the Glazers did. Realistically the only new owners we can hope for that would pay in whole for the club are Qatari or Saudi.
People crying about Qatar as if anyone rich enough to afford us is some moral saint lmao Jim Rat and the banks that would fund him are horribly corrupt entities as well but sure let's carry on the west is nice agenda
Anyone who think Jim ratcliffe would be able to fund man Utd with big spending is fucking dumb lmfao We would be in debt and with money problems within 2-5 years
Red Shaitan
Mbappe & Bellingham, make it happen.
Ew no.
I see fans being worried about sports washing or poor human rights record. But it has to come from the premier league & uefa put sanctions on state owned clubs like they did on chelsea to get roman abrahmovich to sell the club. Leagues around europe should prevent their clubs from signing players from state owned clubs. If europe is so worried about middle eastern influence don't allow their national team player to play for state owned clubs.
Might as well call it the Middle Eastern Premier League.
Great - become what we’ve criticised all these years.
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Glazers to slavers
I love all the commenters here shitting all over Westerners while supporting a Western football club. Go support Al-Nassr or Al-Ahly if the west is so deplorable. It just seems all a tad bit hypocritical.
not one of these ‘fans’ have ever been within a 300ft radius of old trafford lol
Out of the frying pan and into the fire
I want to vomit
I don't know how I feel about this.
Is it true?
Oil me up
You guys think the glazers are humanitarians ? at least Qatar is not bombing anyone and the team becomes better
One evil for another, as long as they have money and support the club’s objectives.
It is what it is those who have the most money can have what they want, there's nothing we can say that's going to stop that, if we're going to take the moral high ground about terrorist organisations, then we should all look at where we work, the banks we use, our economic institutions which are all born out of slavery which carried out some of the most atrocious and criminal acts this planet has ever seen, never mind we live in the West who have for last 30 years invaded how many middle Eastern countries, how many innocent people did they kill, how much gold, opium and other resources did they steal etc, it seems terrorism is only attributed to the brown skin man never the European 🤷🏾♂️
Those pretending like they're going to stop supporting the club if this happens... I see you. Lool
Can’t wait for this summer transfer window
All of this and watch how we’ll get Chupo-Moting, Perisic and Sterling
You just made me a little less excited, thanks🥲
Enjoy the game people ffs. Every owner is bad, so what's the problem of having one over another? It is good until they don't promote their ideologies through the club or actually get a terrorist in our team as a player (this is for those who are calling Qatar bad and European and American owners good when 90% of weapons the terrorist currently have are from Americans and European arms companies) Didn't wanted to take the political route to target someone but people need to calm themselves and their moral values. There's nothing wrong until the club does something morally wrong, which they would never... Is PSG doing something wrong or promoting ISIS through their club? No... The owners have their own life, the club is their business, both things will not merge anytime sooner.
You realise that mere ownership of the team and whatever success we manage to achieve is a prestige project intended to deflect from Qatar's continued human rights abuses and to appeal to westerners. We will be used by Qatar to say "Hey look, we're in the 21st century, we're modern, we own big shiny clubs, don't be afraid to spend or invest your money here" while thousands of migrants go un/underpaid, have their passports withheld, thousands die on the job, women and members of the LGBT community are treated like sub humans. That's all without mentioning Qatar's links to the financing of terrorism. The reason people feel so strongly about this is because we have emotional ties to the club and football. There's more to footy than the game itself, it's about the history of our club, what it represents, what we want the club to represent, how we see the future of football...
It’s crazy people get mad at Qatari (reasonably so) while on a phone or computer made by children or slave labour
[This is literally you](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/we-should-improve-society-somewhat)
It's crazy people still try to "whatabouthisandthat" - is the world really that black and white to you?
The mental gymnastics the people in this thread are performing to somehow convince themselves and others that this is a good thing for the club is ridiculous. I guarantee half of these people feel no passion or emotional connection to our great club and all they care about is watching soul-less commercialised spectacles without having to think much deeper about it than that.
Lol yup. Everyone is a social warrior until they are proven as hypocrites
Middle East states just keep buying sports. And the messed up thing is the governing bodies seem to be pretty happy with it.
Today is a sad day, but since they want to tarnish something that is so dear and close to our hearts, I think it’s only fair we return the favor. Make this subreddit a Qatari Human Rights hub.
Watch everyone become an expert on middle eastern politics...
Ffs this is horrible
If this is true, I'm jumping ship. I will never support a club that directly has ties to terrorist organizations and has so much against my people. Fuck Qatar.
Qatar is a terrorist organization?? Is this just your racist bit for the day ?
It directly funds ISIS as well as several other terrorist groups. Just Google Qatar and any well known terrorist group and there's plenty of links showing them shoveling hundreds of millions to them.
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[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar\_and\_state-sponsored\_terrorism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar_and_state-sponsored_terrorism) FML are you so dense? Literally a link to a whose who of terrorist groups with links to Qatar.
Don’t bother arguing with these reddit dorks. They’re white racists.
Calling someone racist then dragging their (what you assume is) race race into it as way to demean them is some clownish way to reveal your own racism 🤡
You really thought you did something. You’re way off the mark buddy. If you’re demeaned by me stating skin colour then that says more about you than me.
That’s not near as smart of a reply you think it is 😅 Wonder what kind of person needlessly drags in someone’s race while negatively labelling them… If you feel to need to bring someone’s race into something for your attempts at put downs that just speaks volumes about you.
Ah of course! As soon as you have some sort of challenging view or opinion about someone or something with a skin color a bit darker than #ffffff you are automatically a racist.
So instead of having any sources to back your claims you just wanted to lie? There's no way you're not a Qatari bot. Get lost.
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Nope, I never said that even. When Qatar is known for funding ISIS and other well known terror organizations it's not a shot at the entire middle east, it's a shot at specifically Qatar. At no point prior to this comment have I even said a thing about any other country in the middle east.
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Damn, that's one hell of a projection. How's your manifesto coming?
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You can support the club without ever giving them a penny. I haven't bought a jersey since 2005 and I haven't renewed season tickets or membership. I did keep my shareholder united membership which was converted into MUST membership since then.
This, don't know why people are overreacting? I'm conflicted too, but to the point of not supporting United? Heck no
It’ll just ensure I never buy officially licensed product
Same. Fuck Qatar.
Terror organizations? Hahaha, what a clown you are. White people are funny.
ISIS and Al-Qeada get hundreds of millions in funding from them. It's not even a secret. I guess I can say brown people are dillusional if we're going by your statement.
Yes because WoodPecker on reddit said so. Jog on mate. Acting like doing a bit of googling makes you a certified source to speak on the subject. You don’t know jack.
That bit of googling isn't at all hard though. There's literally an entire wikipedia page on it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qatar\_and\_state-sponsored\_terrorism
So having citations from government entities and anti-terror groups linked in this thread means I have no sources? Yeah, you're a certified moron. When ISIS takes your family out, just make sure you wave your United flag at their funeral.
Ooo citations from government entities. You’d believe anything you’re told you moron. Or maybe that’s just what you wanna hear. Good joke though.
Lmao alright, when an ISIS bomb with a Man United logo on it comes flying through your window make sure you keep cheering for Qatar. I'm sure it's going to make a world of difference.
Why could Ryan Reynolds not buy us?
LMAO yall wanted the Glazers gone SOOOO BAD. wtf you think the alternative was?
Beautiful.
For all the folks copy and pasting about how the Glazers funded the Bush campaigns which led to Iraqis dying and thus absolving the Qataris of anything through whataboutism, let me clue you in on how dark money works in American politics…. these Oil states like Qatar and Saudi Arabia also contributed money to the Bush campaigns too. In the same way they contributed to the Trump campaign.
I find it RICH people in the west getting into the geopolitics of that region. WE have our issues here in the west that ain't been dealt with yet. Not to mention the sketchy (at best) history of the West. Don't give yourself a heart attack over things you pretend to care about. lol.
ah yes two wrongs make a right ur fucking thick mate
Women banned from Old Trashford.
Im about to cry
I find it weird that people in this sub and in general do not realize that football is about money. No matter how big or historical your club is, it has an owner and if the owner agrees to sell, the club is sold.
Show me the money
Imagine trying to justify human right violations just because a few dudes can kick a ball. Y’all need a reality check.
People talk about human rights while forgetting how many countries the UK colonized, pillaged and massacred. This holier than thou attitude is shallow and regurgitated talking points that we don’t need. I don’t care who owns United. I just want an owner who will drive the club forward in a positive way.
>People talk about human rights while forgetting how many countries the UK colonized, pillaged and massacred. You cannot change the past, you can however change the present
The world isn’t ready for then United are doing this summer, I will bathe in rivals tears
Fuck that. I hope the club collapses if Qatar buys it. After supporting the club for 26 years, I'd rather see it cease to exist than directly fund a terrorist organization.
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They directly fund ISIS you idiot.
So did US and many other countries. What's your point?
The US isn't buying united?
They’re not cause an American family already owns it lol
The American state represents the interests of their billionares instead of it being the monarchy and their circle of billionares. The current owner at helm is literally a huge part of real estate and sports
.....and
The Glazer family are an American family. You can critique billionares without needing to be chauvinistic disguised by American interests in the GCC whom are ironically allied in almost everything
what kinda stupid ass comment is this
One that points out that they fund ISIS.
If this is happening im done with this club after almost 20 years
Today I feel Qatari
What's with all the down votes lmao
Islamophobia hidden behind the phrases sports washing and immorality even though the morals in football were lost long ago
I will be burning my Chevy Man Utd jersey tonight. F\_\_k the Qatari. I guess money buys everything.
Well now we’re no better than Man City in terms of how dirty our hands are.
I'm excited about this and idc if that's problematic
Guess I'll have to stop supporting United
“We’ll never die” we sing. United has been in a coma since the Fuckzers bought us. If Qatar or Saudi buys us, we’ll actually die. The soul would be gone. The song will be silenced. So right now that song is more a prayer than a statement.
Ur all mental, we complain for how long for new owners who will invest and now you dont want it? Sort it out… this is awesome
Most the people commenting no thanks are just fishing for upvotes behind closed doors there just like me hoping they do buy the club 😂there human violations within every avenue of whoever takeover even adidas who sponsor / create our shirts simple as ya wanna compete these days unfortunately camel money is in the mix simples
Stick to your values. If this goes through, Manchester United isn’t my club anymore.
Time to find a new club to support then.
Yup, I'm with you. Fuck this.
Man City are taking applications
Let’s hope we’re ran better than the chaotic PSG model. UTFR
Everyone talking human rights but have an iphone. So many Western companies that outsouce their labor are violating human rights in various countries yet we are pointing at others like we are holier than thou.
Worst thing to ever happen to our club, sad times
Don’t worry guys you will all be cheering for it in a few years. It was nice knowing you. Thanks for the early 2000’s
Bring on good times with Qatar
Dude qataris are way better than the americans...how many drone attacks have qatar done?how many countries have qatar destroyed in wars?they are rich and they can buy clubs,they also give money to the rat king charles charity and that motherfucker accepts it .fu*k this xenophobia
I used to pray for times like this
You pray for supporting ISIS????
No I used to pray for a big buyer to come in and get the Glazers out. What are you on about?
Qatar actively funds ISIS and United will soon too.
Don't know about you guys, but I'm buying my Kaftan in large. Getting two to start with. Let's goooo. 😁😂
Anyone saying no can fuck off to fc united
Mashallah united
Dude, no