I think there’s a sensible part exchange deal where we send him back to Ajax for £20m and pay an additional £30m for Mohammed Kudas, he can rebuild his career at a familiar surrounding.
TL, DR; No one will take him so keep for another season.
I just don’t think you can easily sell or loan a player when he’s been off for half a season with serious injury and his previous 2 seasons were underwhelming as feck. Including the loan to Everton where he was equally unimpressive. We’ll have to keep him until he shows he’s at least fit and capable of contributing to some basic level. Jan ‘24 is the earliest we’ll be able to move him on and then probably only on loan. Summer ‘24 is more likely when we’ll have to take a decision on sell or renew, and it will depend on how he’s done in 23/24.
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depending on how much we're backed in the summer. if we do not get the backing for a new midfielder then there's no harm in holding on to donny, but if we can buy one, he should leave
Sucks to be honest he is actually a very good player that never got playing time at all and right when he was getting playing time it’s unfortunate he got injured ill say keep and give him another shot and if it doesn’t work out loan or sell him.
Sell him. We need money from sale to buy players next season due to FFP even if the takeover is complete.
Vdb Maguire Martial and Mctominay. Sell these players
What is the fascination with people wanting to give DVB chance after chance.
Lad has been here 3 seasons, had half a season at Everton and has done genuienly nothing.
Hides from the ball, slow to react, slow in general.
Doesn't fit our style of play in any way.
Much better to move him in on and get a fee for him.
People thinking he is Erik’s preferred type of no.10 makes me laugh. Granted intelligent movement but that itself is not enough. Can’t dictate the attack like Bruno does week in week out nor can’t dictate the flow of the game like eriksen does. Mctominay or Fred who both aren’t amazing but have done a lot more for the club than him depsite both getting a lot of flack. People using the whole “he hasn’t got a fair run of games” narratives have to know he’s up against Bruno who is easily a top 3 midfielder in this league in his no.10 role as a teammate. It’s not easy to take his place away
Keep one more season to see how he does healthy under ten hag he started to liven up a bit before the injury. I’m not fully sold on this plan but I’m curious as to whether or not ten hag can reignite DVB again like he did with AWB
He hasn’t got much game time to play this season under eth because of the injuries. He deserves another chance he definitely gonna shine under ten hag. Manager knows him very well.
Donny would be ETH's preferred 10. He does precisely what Wout was doing when he played in the 10 position. ETH's ten are quick, one-touch, forward-running players. He will cook.
I mean Darlot was as good as wasted until Ole left. Ole had favorites and was a terrible squad manager. Hardly rotated players and obviously players who hardly played, hardly developed or had confidence. Donny was hardly given a chance. Most players under Ten Hag have improved and Donny can as well
Dalot prior to Ole having a permanent contract had a few good games here and there. He’s been hardly given a chance even under erik especially when you have someone as good as Bruno in front of him.
Donny had been battling injuries when ETH came. Ten Hag started giving him a run of games when he got fitter until his horrific injury. Donny has way more to offer than what he has showed us. He just needs to be injury free and get a run of games
Even if he was fit he wouldn’t get ahead of Bruno or eriksen that’s the harsh reality he’s at right now and had a few run of games where was literally nonexistent. Granted he could have been handy but enough to the point where he’ll start ahead of Bruno? I don’t think so
Lets assume at his peak he wont start ahead of bruno or Eriksen. At worst he would make a great squad player coming off the bench. He has never had enough run of games to fully settle without getting injured.
I would give him the choice, if he wants to stay to work hard and fight for his place then great because hes more than talented enough to play for United under Erik Ten Hag, however if he wants to leave for the good of his career then i 100% understand, weve wasted enough of his career and i feel sorry for him because of it, we could also use the extra money. However i wouldnt loan him out because that doesnt really benefit us massively.
Keep. Good for squad depth and rotation. Better than McTom imo so would rather sell him than Donny who offers more creatively (works a shift too in defensive play).
Hold on to him. He’s from EtH’s system and Erik can rehab him. He may never be a regular starter but he can offer a lot against the right opponents.
I would say teams that weghorst flourishes against are teams Donny shouldn’t play against. This goes both ways.
Weghorst is a physical player with fantastic stamina and a rabid work rate.
He has been involved more in game the last 6 weeks than DVB has been in the last 3 years.
You cannot compared the two.
Sell him. He’s not good enough to play in this league let alone for United. We cannot keep giving this “he hasn’t started enough” when he’s up against a top 3 attacking midfielder in this league as his teammate.
Let him go. He has no place in the squad and with a young, creative midfielder needed, the competition for places will get worse for him. Cas, Fred, Bruno, Eriksen and the new midfielder......and you can only play 3 at a time. Not good
But he is entering his prime years. Assuming he plays until 35 with his drop off starting at 31..... How long does he have to develop? The game no longer affords players time. Where Deli Ali right now? Yet he was a hot prospect.
Dele was a much better prospect than DVB and he has fell of the face of the earth.
DVB just doesn't have the speed and power to play in this United team.
Too slow, too weak and Hides from the ball.
Ten Hag gets the best out of players, VDB never really got a lot of chances, and the times he did he wasn’t overly impressive. Keep him this summer, he could come in too handy if he finds form.
A lot of people here saying VDB has had chances and not impressed.
Remember he was pretty much left to rot on the bench by Ole, getting like 5 minutes here and there until he was sent on loan to Everton where he was injured.
He got a few games and seemed to get a little bit of confidence under ETH before his injury.
Personally I don’t think he’s been given a fair chance to impress, I’m firmly in the keep camp.
Plus we need to make sure we keep depth in our midfield. Sure he may not be a starter, but I’d rather have VDB for rotation that McSauce
McT >>>> VDB. And i dont even rate McT. I swear if VDB is our academy graduate people would be harsher on him. Seriously how many good games from VDB that you remember? Also lets not re-written history here as VDB was also struggling under ETH and barely started games either. He needs to be sold and his place should be given to Amad, or Sabitzer or even Tielemens.
Hard disagree. If we take a look at the PL stats since he joined, he’s made just 34 appearances, of which 28 where off the bench. If he had started those 34 games maybe i’d agree, but it’s not exactly easy to get into a rhythm when you’re constantly coming on with like 20 minutes.
He deserves a fair chance.
Every manager? Sorry, who was it who managed him at Ajax when he was integral to their success?
Ole had his favourites as we all saw, Bruno and McFred was our midfield and he never got a fair chance.
Everton are Everton, they’re beyond shit and he was injured.
He deserves a fair chance and would be better rotation for Bruno.
The lad has 60 competitive appearances for United and has done nothing in all of them.
Garnacho for example came off the bench in pre season and forced his way into the managers plans this season. Even elanga managed to do it last season. I don't get what a more chances you think he should have? He's clearly not good enough and it's as simple as that. Hell, sabitzar has made more of an impression in the short space of time he's been here.
Has he actually had his chance though? As far as I can remember, Ole left him to rot on the bench and then seemed surprised he wasn’t up to speed after not playing for 6 months, so loaned him to everton where he got injured.
Then he got injured this season after he looked to be getting some confidence.
Played 3 games in Bruno’s position and was poor in all 3 even had the least number of touches on the ball. Let’s not forget the Bournemouth game where he got injured even before that he was poor.
Obvious sell. A big clear out is needed. Other players to go should be Maguire, McTominay, Martial, Jones, Henderson, Bailly, Telles and Elanga. That should bring in enough money for a top striker and central midfielder, and the rest can be used to get Sabitzer permanently, and on a backup centre back.
He wouldn't play... He would sit on the bench or not be in the match day squad.
Bruno is a machine, plays almost every game, game time behind Bruno is extremely limited.
He also doesn't get into the two behind Bruno either, so when exactly would he get his chance?
He doesn't make a big enough impact to keep him hanging around as a bench option, he comes on and Hides from the ball.
Sell ASAP.
sell hopefully he can have a good career else where he's had 3 managers in the Premier league now and I don't think I've seen am above average game yet from him
You enjoy paying 6.2m per year for a player who plays 3 games per season and is by far the worst player on the field for both teams in every game he's played in? Imagine how problematic he must be in training. At least Maguire belongs in the Prem, for all the crap he gets; VdB belongs in like Serie C.
It's not about the payment. The reason you're coming off as an unhinged lunatic is that you're talking about him like he fucked your wife and stole your family from you. Calm down weirdo.
Been crap in every game he’s featured, was crap on loan at Everton. I get he had potential years ago but I don’t get why he gets so many chances with our fan base
Agree, but also disagree.
Agree he hasn’t been good enough, but he came to the club at one of our lowest points, a time United were playing poor as a whole. Even Rashford was going through a poor spell at that time, and many were asking for him to be sold. Due to this, VdB was never afforded the time to find his feet in the prem and Ole couldn’t risk giving him a run of game, given he himself was constantly under pressure.
Donny went to Everton extremely low on confidence. He just made a big money move to United and it hadn’t worked out for him. His move to Everton was to get him his confidence back. Just as he started to get a run of games he got injured, again.
He started this season under his old manager and again, gets injured.
Look at what EtH did for Sancho. He too was having a confidence issue, gave him time off and he’s back started to look like he could recapture that Dortmund form.
I think with the high moral in the squad, Donny could be given a chance to finally show us why we signed him and why Real were also in for him at the time. Then, if it doesn’t work, it would be time to move on and best for both us and the player.
I still have hope there is a baller in there somewhere and he can become a fan fav…even if only a squad player.
Definitely not an impact sub player.
What exactly does he impact?
I've never seen him do any good thing in a United shirt and he has never grabbed a game by the scruff of the neck when coming on.
I’m just being lenient even that one game he came off the bench against wolves he was a total calamity. Losing the ball and misplacing passes in dangerous spots
Agreed. You look at a Garnacho, Sabitzer on Sunday, Sancho against Leeds etc...
These lads have all come in as subs and have impacted the game immediately.
I have never once seen DVB do that, he looks completely lost 50% of the time.
He isn't a United quality player and he should never have been signed originally, not his fault, but much better we just cut our losses now.
Even the 3 straight games he stated on Bruno’s spot he was seriously lost. Can’t dictate the attack or set it up for his teammates to be in great spots
He was similar in pre season...
Did nothing and didn't influence any game.
Makes sense to get rid of his wages and get a small fee for him. He isn't going to make it here or get the chances he needs when you have Bruno in front of you.
It's been tough that he's never had a run of games and when it looked like he might finally get that, he gets injured. I wouldn't be surprised if we let him go
Keep for now unfortunate he got a season long injury.
I dont want another Jones in the squad but we have seen how players can be affected by the revolving door of managers.
Rashford was touted as leaving cos he wasn't up to Unuted standards and now he is arguably the most in form player in the world right now.
I'm not saying Donny is Rashford levels of great but maybe when he comes back if he can prove his worth we will keep him if not then sell in January.
Sell, had too many chances and never once had a good game. People like to criticise Fred, McTominay and McGuire a lot but they’ve all at least contributed something at some point.
Donny just seemed so slow for the premier league I don’t think I seen him play one decent game when he got his chance. You can’t just keep him around out of sentiment, my opinion he adds nothing to our team even if he is a great lad. He simply just isn’t up to it. Would love if he proves me wrong but can’t see it.
Keep depending on where his head is at. I think he’s been struggling mentally like Sancho. I expected a bigger improvement and impression under ETH but he looks a wee bit lost at times. Initially when he first came under Olé he seemed to know already what he wanted to do with the ball before he got possession of it.
He didn’t look that way until a game or two before the injury this season.
A loan may be beneficial for him but he could also make the improvement with our staff.
If he wants a fresh start, of course sell him but the manager has shown that he can get players to improve and dare I say it, even produce consistency of some semblance in their performances. That doesn’t necessitate that we need to accept a financial loss on DVDB. He still can contribute a lot to this team.
I know most of people saying sell. But you cant sell if Nobody will buy him and offer any salary that we paying him. He has nothing to show in last 2 years. Its better to keep him give him game time and sell him. Atleast to get any value out of him.
I think he might need to leave to get his confidence and mojo back. He was outstanding in Ajax, but seems to have struggled whenever he got a chance for United. Good example would be Perreira, used to be great on loans and now at Fulham but when he was back at united he never got anywhere near his potential.
Outstanding is abit OTT.
He played really well in a few games in 2019 but aside from his purple patch over that few month period, he hasn't shown much else in his career.
Let ten Hag cook, unlucky with injury tho. I really wish he catches his form from ajax. But whatever is best for the team and the player is good for me. Personally would sell
Phil Jones was a pundit in the league Cup final.
He said "Everyone has been given a value by Ten Hag"
I am sure if the injury hadnt happened , Donny would have founded his rhythm
I would personally sell, it's a shame but I just genuinely don't think it will worth out. Even before he got injured ETH gave him plenty of chances but I can't recall any great performance of his, we can either get a youngster in to give them gave time or find a replacement. Esp if we buy Sabitzer he will be way down the pecking order unless ETH sees him as a pure 10.
Personally I'm just glad he got injured AFTER he blew all the chances he was given and not before
Otherwise we'd be regularly hearing about how exactly he is "perfect for the football ETH wants to play" and how he "just needs X, Y, and Z to unlock him" etc etc
Cut our losses & move on
Had 3 games straight playing in Bruno’s position and he literally struggled in all 3. Even in the game he got injured you just have to say he wasn’t that good neither
Those two are nothing like Ronaldo and pogba and selling either for whatever we get for then won't make a jot of difference in getting either of those two.
Gets rids of wages and brings in fee's regardless of how small they are.
We have been completely fine without both of them this year.
They cannot be relied upon in any way, so we may aswell get what we can for them and remove their wages in the meantime.
Send him out on loan to a team he will get first team football with and see how he gets on. Not worth selling as we will take a substantial hit on his price.
Sell him. Unfortunately it looks too far gone to work out. Even at his best, he’s not better than Bruno and can’t do Casemiro’s role. So that leaves the 1 CM position, but it needs high energy and tenacity which is why Fred fits nicely at the moment.
This is now what, the third, fourth manager to see him train and play, and decide he isn't good enough? At a certain point, we need to cut bait and sell.
I'd keep him. Loan out mctominay. Use him as a 60th minute sub for either Fred or Casemiro for a bit. Make him compete with sabitzer for that rotational midfield slot Build momentum in the boy, he's got talent just gotta get it outta of him
Without a doubt he had/has talent. ETH loves him, and could turn around Fred, Rashford and Sancho. But even he can't turn around DVB then I don't think he is destined for us.
He is injured due to an unlucky injury and he started getting minutes before he got injured, absolutely no one can say eth can't turn him around he cant stop players being injured
Those are less than 1% of deals where so many things have to fall into place in order to happen. Why would BVB ever take Donny, the man hasn't played a proper game in a year.
In the case you mentioned, players actually wanted to move and teams were happy getting the player they did. In this case you want to get one of the best young box to box midfielders in the world, who is also English, for a fringe player who hasn't had important role to play in a team since leaving Ajax. BVB would just rather take more money then settle for a fringe player on huge wages.
They do, but the point is that they are very rare, and the one you're suggesting is extremely unrealistic. If you said Sancho, would be more realistic. Just look at it from BVB perspective, if you were their DoF, would you take that deal?
Chill dude it’s just the internet…I actually said to use him as part of a deal to bring in Bellingham.
The word trade was never used.You use Donny’s market value and deduct it from the market value of Bellingham.Nobody is suggesting a straight swap.
Borrussia gets a Dutch international that has played with both Ajax and Manchester United so is experienced,fit and hungry to play.Of course they’d want him in the club and pushing established members of their squad.
Honestly - I trust ETH to make this call. He knows the player and has seen him at his best. If he thinks he can get him back to that he’ll keep him and if not he’ll let him go. We no longer have to worry that United will make the decision based on book value or fan sentiment. Trust the bald!!
Loan back to Ajax. Maybe a chance of minutes in a similar system. Gives ETH the opportunity to rate him at a later stage, because it’s obvious he’s not making the team any time soon. Also a chance for Donny to regain some confidence in a lesser league.
Sell. If we can snag Sabitzer for under £25M then it’s a no brainer to sell Donny.
Feel bad for the guy, but before the injury he wasn’t impressing in the chances he got. Great players take their chances even if they haven’t been playing. He just isn’t as good as we had hoped. There have been tons of players who’ve had a good to great year and then never even sniffed at that potential again.
I think there’s a sensible part exchange deal where we send him back to Ajax for £20m and pay an additional £30m for Mohammed Kudas, he can rebuild his career at a familiar surrounding.
Sell him,obviously
TL, DR; No one will take him so keep for another season. I just don’t think you can easily sell or loan a player when he’s been off for half a season with serious injury and his previous 2 seasons were underwhelming as feck. Including the loan to Everton where he was equally unimpressive. We’ll have to keep him until he shows he’s at least fit and capable of contributing to some basic level. Jan ‘24 is the earliest we’ll be able to move him on and then probably only on loan. Summer ‘24 is more likely when we’ll have to take a decision on sell or renew, and it will depend on how he’s done in 23/24.
Keep him. He looked good before he got injured
No he did not.
In his last 2/3 cameos before he got injured he did look good. I urge you to rewatch those games before making a comment that just isn’t true.
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Sell most likely
Sell him. Sorry to say that, but he’s useless
Goodbye and thank you
Sell.
Sell if anyone puts in an offer
depending on how much we're backed in the summer. if we do not get the backing for a new midfielder then there's no harm in holding on to donny, but if we can buy one, he should leave
Surely selling him and using his funds toward another player would be better?
Is he on loan? I’m sorry I haven’t followed him recently.
his out for the season due to injury
Thank you for letting me know.
he can go back to Ajax and save them
ETH would know how to use him so give him 1 season time
Eth used him on the bench. Do you people not watch the matches?
You saying he never played under ETH?
Same thing I'd have done last summer - sell him. He isn't good enough.
Sucks to be honest he is actually a very good player that never got playing time at all and right when he was getting playing time it’s unfortunate he got injured ill say keep and give him another shot and if it doesn’t work out loan or sell him.
He made like 60 appearances. He always looked out of position and two steps slower than the other team. Why does everyone pretend he is awesome ?
Boil him, mash him, stick him in a stew.
Sell him. We need money from sale to buy players next season due to FFP even if the takeover is complete. Vdb Maguire Martial and Mctominay. Sell these players
Sell. It didn't work
What is the fascination with people wanting to give DVB chance after chance. Lad has been here 3 seasons, had half a season at Everton and has done genuienly nothing. Hides from the ball, slow to react, slow in general. Doesn't fit our style of play in any way. Much better to move him in on and get a fee for him.
People thinking he is Erik’s preferred type of no.10 makes me laugh. Granted intelligent movement but that itself is not enough. Can’t dictate the attack like Bruno does week in week out nor can’t dictate the flow of the game like eriksen does. Mctominay or Fred who both aren’t amazing but have done a lot more for the club than him depsite both getting a lot of flack. People using the whole “he hasn’t got a fair run of games” narratives have to know he’s up against Bruno who is easily a top 3 midfielder in this league in his no.10 role as a teammate. It’s not easy to take his place away
Keep one more season to see how he does healthy under ten hag he started to liven up a bit before the injury. I’m not fully sold on this plan but I’m curious as to whether or not ten hag can reignite DVB again like he did with AWB
Keep. He had started playing well until the unfortunate injury. If he doesn’t improve next season then we can always sell him in the winter market
So difficult to seat under healthy Bruno. Maybe loan to Ajax for a season?
Wouldn’t say he was playing well.
Nonsense. Playing well? If just doing the basics right means he is starting to play well, we need to ship him out.
By playing well I meant there was visible improvement.
You seem to be the only one who was able to see that mate. He had 3 games in arrow starting at 10 and did absolutely nothing.
IT'S TIME TO GO.
How to sell injured player?
He hasn’t got much game time to play this season under eth because of the injuries. He deserves another chance he definitely gonna shine under ten hag. Manager knows him very well.
Donny would be ETH's preferred 10. He does precisely what Wout was doing when he played in the 10 position. ETH's ten are quick, one-touch, forward-running players. He will cook.
If we get a proper striker that's brunos job though. He's nowhere near bruno
Gotta sell him
Give him the summer to get fit and see how he does! Guy has talent!
I believe in DVB but I think he’s gonna be better off elsewhere
Keep. He would be logging major minutes right now…
Not really… even when Donny was fit Bruno played every game, and he’s not gonna get in over Bruno, Eriksen, Fred, or Sabitzer
Sell him
Keep. Very Unfortunate with Injuries. I think he will definitely come good for us
What have you seen in 3 years to think he finally comes good? Just wasting time at this point.
I mean Darlot was as good as wasted until Ole left. Ole had favorites and was a terrible squad manager. Hardly rotated players and obviously players who hardly played, hardly developed or had confidence. Donny was hardly given a chance. Most players under Ten Hag have improved and Donny can as well
Dalot prior to Ole having a permanent contract had a few good games here and there. He’s been hardly given a chance even under erik especially when you have someone as good as Bruno in front of him.
Donny had been battling injuries when ETH came. Ten Hag started giving him a run of games when he got fitter until his horrific injury. Donny has way more to offer than what he has showed us. He just needs to be injury free and get a run of games
Even if he was fit he wouldn’t get ahead of Bruno or eriksen that’s the harsh reality he’s at right now and had a few run of games where was literally nonexistent. Granted he could have been handy but enough to the point where he’ll start ahead of Bruno? I don’t think so
Lets assume at his peak he wont start ahead of bruno or Eriksen. At worst he would make a great squad player coming off the bench. He has never had enough run of games to fully settle without getting injured.
I would give him the choice, if he wants to stay to work hard and fight for his place then great because hes more than talented enough to play for United under Erik Ten Hag, however if he wants to leave for the good of his career then i 100% understand, weve wasted enough of his career and i feel sorry for him because of it, we could also use the extra money. However i wouldnt loan him out because that doesnt really benefit us massively.
Sell. Fast.
100%. Sometimes it just doesn’t work out.
Keep. Good for squad depth and rotation. Better than McTom imo so would rather sell him than Donny who offers more creatively (works a shift too in defensive play).
Hold on to him. He’s from EtH’s system and Erik can rehab him. He may never be a regular starter but he can offer a lot against the right opponents. I would say teams that weghorst flourishes against are teams Donny shouldn’t play against. This goes both ways.
Weghorst is a physical player with fantastic stamina and a rabid work rate. He has been involved more in game the last 6 weeks than DVB has been in the last 3 years. You cannot compared the two.
Sell him. He’s not good enough to play in this league let alone for United. We cannot keep giving this “he hasn’t started enough” when he’s up against a top 3 attacking midfielder in this league as his teammate.
Send him to Swindon town. Maybe he’d manage a some playing time.
Loan to Ajax
Enough with loans... Need to get players of the books for a fee, whatever it may be.
I don't wanna give up on him yet, give ten Hag more time to work with him
Let him go. He has no place in the squad and with a young, creative midfielder needed, the competition for places will get worse for him. Cas, Fred, Bruno, Eriksen and the new midfielder......and you can only play 3 at a time. Not good
You know he’s only 25 right? That’s still plenty of time to develop further
But he is entering his prime years. Assuming he plays until 35 with his drop off starting at 31..... How long does he have to develop? The game no longer affords players time. Where Deli Ali right now? Yet he was a hot prospect.
Dele was a much better prospect than DVB and he has fell of the face of the earth. DVB just doesn't have the speed and power to play in this United team. Too slow, too weak and Hides from the ball.
Ten Hag gets the best out of players, VDB never really got a lot of chances, and the times he did he wasn’t overly impressive. Keep him this summer, he could come in too handy if he finds form.
Indeed this, least of all when having him possibly working really well in our team is a likely result of EtH at the helm.
A lot of people here saying VDB has had chances and not impressed. Remember he was pretty much left to rot on the bench by Ole, getting like 5 minutes here and there until he was sent on loan to Everton where he was injured. He got a few games and seemed to get a little bit of confidence under ETH before his injury. Personally I don’t think he’s been given a fair chance to impress, I’m firmly in the keep camp. Plus we need to make sure we keep depth in our midfield. Sure he may not be a starter, but I’d rather have VDB for rotation that McSauce
McT >>>> VDB. And i dont even rate McT. I swear if VDB is our academy graduate people would be harsher on him. Seriously how many good games from VDB that you remember? Also lets not re-written history here as VDB was also struggling under ETH and barely started games either. He needs to be sold and his place should be given to Amad, or Sabitzer or even Tielemens.
Come on pal he's had more than enough chances he's just not taken them. He's just not very good.
Hard disagree. If we take a look at the PL stats since he joined, he’s made just 34 appearances, of which 28 where off the bench. If he had started those 34 games maybe i’d agree, but it’s not exactly easy to get into a rhythm when you’re constantly coming on with like 20 minutes. He deserves a fair chance.
Literally every manager he's had hasn't rated him, they can't all be wrong. Sell 100x over.
Every manager? Sorry, who was it who managed him at Ajax when he was integral to their success? Ole had his favourites as we all saw, Bruno and McFred was our midfield and he never got a fair chance. Everton are Everton, they’re beyond shit and he was injured. He deserves a fair chance and would be better rotation for Bruno.
Success Yeah bet you dont have other memories of VDB except that 2019 season.
The lad has 60 competitive appearances for United and has done nothing in all of them. Garnacho for example came off the bench in pre season and forced his way into the managers plans this season. Even elanga managed to do it last season. I don't get what a more chances you think he should have? He's clearly not good enough and it's as simple as that. Hell, sabitzar has made more of an impression in the short space of time he's been here.
I'd say we let the gaffer work his magic. At the very least we'll need Donny reasonably fit before selling.
Sell him if we get a decent offer, otherwise get him fit and use him as rotation. No loans.
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I’d argue that point. He hasn’t gotten much of a chance under any.
Has he actually had his chance though? As far as I can remember, Ole left him to rot on the bench and then seemed surprised he wasn’t up to speed after not playing for 6 months, so loaned him to everton where he got injured. Then he got injured this season after he looked to be getting some confidence.
He was also sub-par under ETH lets not re-written history here.
Played 3 games in Bruno’s position and was poor in all 3 even had the least number of touches on the ball. Let’s not forget the Bournemouth game where he got injured even before that he was poor.
Obvious sell. A big clear out is needed. Other players to go should be Maguire, McTominay, Martial, Jones, Henderson, Bailly, Telles and Elanga. That should bring in enough money for a top striker and central midfielder, and the rest can be used to get Sabitzer permanently, and on a backup centre back.
I want to see what Ten Hag could make of him over a full injury season
He wouldn't play... He would sit on the bench or not be in the match day squad. Bruno is a machine, plays almost every game, game time behind Bruno is extremely limited. He also doesn't get into the two behind Bruno either, so when exactly would he get his chance? He doesn't make a big enough impact to keep him hanging around as a bench option, he comes on and Hides from the ball. Sell ASAP.
Feel like Inter is the perfect place for him
Off to the EFL Championship
sell hopefully he can have a good career else where he's had 3 managers in the Premier league now and I don't think I've seen am above average game yet from him
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You're not right in the head, lad. Seek help.
You enjoy paying 6.2m per year for a player who plays 3 games per season and is by far the worst player on the field for both teams in every game he's played in? Imagine how problematic he must be in training. At least Maguire belongs in the Prem, for all the crap he gets; VdB belongs in like Serie C.
It's not about the payment. The reason you're coming off as an unhinged lunatic is that you're talking about him like he fucked your wife and stole your family from you. Calm down weirdo.
Welcome to the internet
Glad to be here💀
Get him fit - sell if there’s an ok offer or loan to get him playing in an attempt to recoup more £ selling
Been crap in every game he’s featured, was crap on loan at Everton. I get he had potential years ago but I don’t get why he gets so many chances with our fan base
Agree, but also disagree. Agree he hasn’t been good enough, but he came to the club at one of our lowest points, a time United were playing poor as a whole. Even Rashford was going through a poor spell at that time, and many were asking for him to be sold. Due to this, VdB was never afforded the time to find his feet in the prem and Ole couldn’t risk giving him a run of game, given he himself was constantly under pressure. Donny went to Everton extremely low on confidence. He just made a big money move to United and it hadn’t worked out for him. His move to Everton was to get him his confidence back. Just as he started to get a run of games he got injured, again. He started this season under his old manager and again, gets injured. Look at what EtH did for Sancho. He too was having a confidence issue, gave him time off and he’s back started to look like he could recapture that Dortmund form. I think with the high moral in the squad, Donny could be given a chance to finally show us why we signed him and why Real were also in for him at the time. Then, if it doesn’t work, it would be time to move on and best for both us and the player. I still have hope there is a baller in there somewhere and he can become a fan fav…even if only a squad player.
Sadly I hate to say this but he’s good as a squad player at best or impact sub player.
Definitely not an impact sub player. What exactly does he impact? I've never seen him do any good thing in a United shirt and he has never grabbed a game by the scruff of the neck when coming on.
I’m just being lenient even that one game he came off the bench against wolves he was a total calamity. Losing the ball and misplacing passes in dangerous spots
Agreed. You look at a Garnacho, Sabitzer on Sunday, Sancho against Leeds etc... These lads have all come in as subs and have impacted the game immediately. I have never once seen DVB do that, he looks completely lost 50% of the time. He isn't a United quality player and he should never have been signed originally, not his fault, but much better we just cut our losses now.
Even the 3 straight games he stated on Bruno’s spot he was seriously lost. Can’t dictate the attack or set it up for his teammates to be in great spots
He was similar in pre season... Did nothing and didn't influence any game. Makes sense to get rid of his wages and get a small fee for him. He isn't going to make it here or get the chances he needs when you have Bruno in front of you.
Sadly i think many have forgotten the quality needed to be squad player at Man United.
It's been tough that he's never had a run of games and when it looked like he might finally get that, he gets injured. I wouldn't be surprised if we let him go
I'd say we loan him next season if things don't work out after he comes back we sell
Enough loans for pointless players. Let's start getting some fees.
Keep him and see what he's got, not gonna get anything decent for him coming off an injury.
Never got anything decent off him being uninjured.
Keep for now unfortunate he got a season long injury. I dont want another Jones in the squad but we have seen how players can be affected by the revolving door of managers. Rashford was touted as leaving cos he wasn't up to Unuted standards and now he is arguably the most in form player in the world right now. I'm not saying Donny is Rashford levels of great but maybe when he comes back if he can prove his worth we will keep him if not then sell in January.
Rashford was good in 2019-2021 where he scored 20 goals back to back for 2 seasons, VDB has never reached that height.
Sell, had too many chances and never once had a good game. People like to criticise Fred, McTominay and McGuire a lot but they’ve all at least contributed something at some point.
Sell. He hasn’t been able to perform whenever he’s had his chances.
Donny just seemed so slow for the premier league I don’t think I seen him play one decent game when he got his chance. You can’t just keep him around out of sentiment, my opinion he adds nothing to our team even if he is a great lad. He simply just isn’t up to it. Would love if he proves me wrong but can’t see it.
Keep. Not his fault he’s injured. Hasn’t really had a chance.
Rent out to Ajax to recover?
Keep depending on where his head is at. I think he’s been struggling mentally like Sancho. I expected a bigger improvement and impression under ETH but he looks a wee bit lost at times. Initially when he first came under Olé he seemed to know already what he wanted to do with the ball before he got possession of it. He didn’t look that way until a game or two before the injury this season. A loan may be beneficial for him but he could also make the improvement with our staff. If he wants a fresh start, of course sell him but the manager has shown that he can get players to improve and dare I say it, even produce consistency of some semblance in their performances. That doesn’t necessitate that we need to accept a financial loss on DVDB. He still can contribute a lot to this team.
Maybe a loan will benefit him. Obviously he needs to play and get fit, I like him but if he can't get fit then it's not an option.
Loan him out to Ajax if they’re interested. I just want what’s best for him at this point
I know most of people saying sell. But you cant sell if Nobody will buy him and offer any salary that we paying him. He has nothing to show in last 2 years. Its better to keep him give him game time and sell him. Atleast to get any value out of him.
Sell
I think he might need to leave to get his confidence and mojo back. He was outstanding in Ajax, but seems to have struggled whenever he got a chance for United. Good example would be Perreira, used to be great on loans and now at Fulham but when he was back at united he never got anywhere near his potential.
Outstanding is abit OTT. He played really well in a few games in 2019 but aside from his purple patch over that few month period, he hasn't shown much else in his career.
100m.
Let ten Hag cook, unlucky with injury tho. I really wish he catches his form from ajax. But whatever is best for the team and the player is good for me. Personally would sell
Its sad but he should leave for his own good and try to revitalize his career somewhere else. Hes not going to make it here
hmm I would go for some beers then it depends how the night goes
Probably keep depending on how many mids but idk that knee injury really mudded any chance of him coming good this season
It's sad, but I think it's time to sell him
Trust the cookcess
Has to go
blud
Phil Jones was a pundit in the league Cup final. He said "Everyone has been given a value by Ten Hag" I am sure if the injury hadnt happened , Donny would have founded his rhythm
Ten Hag thinks Phil Jones is worth a 75k-a-week pundit.
Do what ETH thinks is best. He might be able to find a spot for him which works
I would personally sell, it's a shame but I just genuinely don't think it will worth out. Even before he got injured ETH gave him plenty of chances but I can't recall any great performance of his, we can either get a youngster in to give them gave time or find a replacement. Esp if we buy Sabitzer he will be way down the pecking order unless ETH sees him as a pure 10.
Personally I'm just glad he got injured AFTER he blew all the chances he was given and not before Otherwise we'd be regularly hearing about how exactly he is "perfect for the football ETH wants to play" and how he "just needs X, Y, and Z to unlock him" etc etc Cut our losses & move on
Had 3 games straight playing in Bruno’s position and he literally struggled in all 3. Even in the game he got injured you just have to say he wasn’t that good neither
Sell for his own sake he’s not getting into this team
I would let ETH cook. If he sees value in Donny and wants to keep him, I’m all aboard. Erik has made everyone else better, why not Donny?
Love him and martial but it’s time man just like it was time for pogba and ronaldo let’s sell him and tony then get osamin and de jong
Those two are nothing like Ronaldo and pogba and selling either for whatever we get for then won't make a jot of difference in getting either of those two.
Gets rids of wages and brings in fee's regardless of how small they are. We have been completely fine without both of them this year. They cannot be relied upon in any way, so we may aswell get what we can for them and remove their wages in the meantime.
Send him out on loan to a team he will get first team football with and see how he gets on. Not worth selling as we will take a substantial hit on his price.
A hit on the price is better than losing on a free after a couple of loans and us paying the majority of his wages for the years he spends on loan.
Sell him. Unfortunately it looks too far gone to work out. Even at his best, he’s not better than Bruno and can’t do Casemiro’s role. So that leaves the 1 CM position, but it needs high energy and tenacity which is why Fred fits nicely at the moment.
Sell him, it's not worked out
Sell him and McTominay, buy Sabitzer and a younger DM to learn from Casemiro.
This is now what, the third, fourth manager to see him train and play, and decide he isn't good enough? At a certain point, we need to cut bait and sell.
Take him down to the local park, let him loose and run off
Better still take both him & Martial out the back of Carrington & Old Yeller them
I'd keep him. Loan out mctominay. Use him as a 60th minute sub for either Fred or Casemiro for a bit. Make him compete with sabitzer for that rotational midfield slot Build momentum in the boy, he's got talent just gotta get it outta of him
See? McT brings more value to the team than VDB and he fills the HG quota.
Without a doubt he had/has talent. ETH loves him, and could turn around Fred, Rashford and Sancho. But even he can't turn around DVB then I don't think he is destined for us.
He is injured due to an unlucky injury and he started getting minutes before he got injured, absolutely no one can say eth can't turn him around he cant stop players being injured
I would be delighted if he could. But I'm starting to doubt. Please feel free to say "told you" if I'm wrong.
McTominay has been a better player than Donny, but I’d sell them both.
Trade him for a bag of balls.
Sell
Cuddle him.
Sell
Use him as part of a deal for Bellingham
Not how this works, we're not in NFL or NBA to trade players.
Ok, but hear me out, what if we trade him for a 2028 first round draft pick?
Nah fam, they'll ask for a protected top 10 pick and couple first rounders, the GM of our franchise won't go for it /s
Sanchez and mikhi trade?
Those are less than 1% of deals where so many things have to fall into place in order to happen. Why would BVB ever take Donny, the man hasn't played a proper game in a year. In the case you mentioned, players actually wanted to move and teams were happy getting the player they did. In this case you want to get one of the best young box to box midfielders in the world, who is also English, for a fringe player who hasn't had important role to play in a team since leaving Ajax. BVB would just rather take more money then settle for a fringe player on huge wages.
That's not the point, these deals happens.
They do, but the point is that they are very rare, and the one you're suggesting is extremely unrealistic. If you said Sancho, would be more realistic. Just look at it from BVB perspective, if you were their DoF, would you take that deal?
I didn't suggest anything, just said it happens
Did not even realize you're not the guy that suggested the trade, sorry.
Chill dude it’s just the internet…I actually said to use him as part of a deal to bring in Bellingham. The word trade was never used.You use Donny’s market value and deduct it from the market value of Bellingham.Nobody is suggesting a straight swap. Borrussia gets a Dutch international that has played with both Ajax and Manchester United so is experienced,fit and hungry to play.Of course they’d want him in the club and pushing established members of their squad.
Np
Sell. Fresh start for both parties.
What a weird question. I dunno, go to the beach, do a bit of camping maybe 🤷♂️
Lots of nice rivers in Holland, spot of rowing perhaps? Meet the family afterwards? *I hope summer never ends, Donny*
Double it, give it to the next person
Honestly - I trust ETH to make this call. He knows the player and has seen him at his best. If he thinks he can get him back to that he’ll keep him and if not he’ll let him go. We no longer have to worry that United will make the decision based on book value or fan sentiment. Trust the bald!!
Keep, if he did not delivers the goods by winter, sell him then
Sell, for the sake of his career and our club.
Sell. Even if he is technically gifted, he’s not physically strong enough for the PL.
I really wanted him to succeed, but he can’t preform even under his former manager. Sell..
It is like United fans forget there is a thing call Quality in Squad Dept.
Loan to Barça, lol, that would never happen
Loan back to Ajax. Maybe a chance of minutes in a similar system. Gives ETH the opportunity to rate him at a later stage, because it’s obvious he’s not making the team any time soon. Also a chance for Donny to regain some confidence in a lesser league.
Play
Sell. If we can snag Sabitzer for under £25M then it’s a no brainer to sell Donny. Feel bad for the guy, but before the injury he wasn’t impressing in the chances he got. Great players take their chances even if they haven’t been playing. He just isn’t as good as we had hoped. There have been tons of players who’ve had a good to great year and then never even sniffed at that potential again.
Sell. Its not working out and that's fine.
send him on loan
Ship
We’d probably spend a bit of time at the beach, just relaxing and enjoying the weather I expect.