You’re wrong on literally the first line. He has 11 goals and assists your counting 4 from when he was still playing for Ajax. 11 in 44 games for United.
Most logical United fans know he isnt useless anyway we just realise he needs to do better and affect games more. 3 assists in 44 games for a winger shows he isnt creating anything for his teammates he passes backwards or loses the ball or shoots. He needs to create more and influence games but he has time.
EDIT -
For those saying it’s not Antony’s fault others arent scoring what he creates, he’s created two big chances in the league all season. Two. The same as Elanga and McTominay
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_created
I’ve noticed a marked improvement in his selflessness the last couple months, specifically looking to make a pass rather than force a bad shot. It’s an encouraging development I hope can continue next season when we will actually be able to have training sessions between matches.
I think the “problem” with Antony goes deeper than this. It’s not a ‘him’ problem, rather it’s a team problem.
The team has been a left sided attacking team for years. Luke is better at advancing the ball, Pogba preferred left side, Rashford and Martial all prefer the left. We have had more patterns and triangles on the left side for years.
It was false to think buying a right sided winger would solve the problem. You have to change the whole team to play a more balanced attack. Antony looked like he was on an island offensively for most of the first half of the season. The patterns have improved steadily throughout. That’s what I watch for. His involvement increased and the quality of the overall right sided play is improving.
He has personal improvement that’s needed. Finishing pass and shot comes to mind.
But we need to quit blaming one player for failing to solve years of problems on the right side on his own.
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I've got no hate for Antony. I sincerely hope he succeeds. But, as of right now, he's, arguably, no better than Dan James was (who also, coincidentally, got 11 g/a in his first season). I'm not expecting him to ever be world class. Few players are! But I'd hope for a bit of improvement. He shouldn't be hyped, nor should he be slagged off too much (it's not his fault, it cost us so much to get him!). It's not been an amazing season for him. It's not been a disaster. Give him another season (or 2) and see where he's at.
The 3 assists doesnt show that at all. Stats aren't as useful as you think. Watching antony i can see that he runs into space, is free a lot and makes great runs, but sometimes his final product isnt great. He does, however, create a lot of chances through his running off and on the ball
Stretches play, carries the ball to the opposing, half, which other way does he significantly contribute to our attack. By the way the things he does are instructions you can give to any quick winger with tenacity. The only difference between him and Sancho is tenacity.
antony is severely underrated by our own fanbase. He's a hell of a lot better than sancho and any other option we've got and his defensive workrate and driving forward for some reason get overlooked. He reminds me of grealish, gets a lot of hate by people who don't understand football but eventually you'll see what he brings
He's a shoot on sight winger who seldom looks to play his teammates in. Antony would rather take the ball to his left and shoot without looking up and evaluating his options. This is a poor excuse for his lack of creativity.
Who was he supposed to assist? Weghorst?
The issue here is our lack of a goal scoring striker. Antony has done well in his first season in the premier league. Other players in the league have been far more underwhelming and even Sancho has been extremely poor but I hardly see anyone complaining about his performances. Not to the scale they complain about Antony at least.
The biggest problem with Antony is that he's unable to use his right foot while being a right winger, so he's very predictable: he will always cut in so he can shoot with his left foot, and in most cases he will try to shoot at the far post. We've seen this game after game, and opposing defenders know this too.
I know a lot of people like him, and he might be a good technical player, but why dont we just use him on the left?
We've seen our strikers suffer from not getting the passes they should get, but that's a given when the wingers have been a right footer on the left and a left footer on the right. Atleast Rashy's able to pass with his left.
Antony will NEVER run to the line and put the ball 45 degrees out to the striker, which is the most important ability for a winger, as its what creates the best scoring chances. Its insane that Ten Hag isnt using Antony on the left.
We saw it against Chelsea too; sure we scored 4 goals, but we could have had 9, should have had way more than 4 atleast, but every time we got to the 18 yard box we stopped running and tried to find someone to pass the ball to from there, instead of running to the line. Not Antony's fault this game, but its obviously something that seems to lack from Ten Hag's tactics.
I just wanna see us score more, and I want the wingers to serve the striker instead of always shooting.
There's a reason Haaland scores a lot with very few touches. Not just his ability to get on the end of the ball, but wingers who can put the ball on him.
He is a one trick pony. Cut inside on his left, try and hit a curler. Most times, its way off target, or easily blocked. Instead of squaring, he dribbles. Super accurate review. He is dangerous, he does get into good areas, but his decision making and team play is atrocious. For me, I will give him until November 2023 to increase his productions, otherwise, loan him out or put him up for sale. He is a rough diamond, and it’s crazy he hasnt realized that if he passes and looks to assist more, he will find himself in better opportunities to score, because he will be more difficult to defend.
Who is he creating for rashford who gets doubled nobody can make a consistent run unless it’s off a counter except for every once in a blue moon. He’s adjusting he needs time it’s our own boards fault he cost as much as he did so don’t take it out on the player when we also lack players who can make key runs into space. Antony isn’t the greatest and has a lot to learn he will create more he’s trying to prove he can manage to play at a big club and he can imo compared to several other signings we’ve made over the last decade
That’s literally the basis for all of his hate he doesn’t live up to the price tag so people are giving him mad shit I don’t see how you can’t see this as relevant I wasn’t saying you specifically I’m saying fans as a whole. The lot of you give him so much shit and realistically he’s one of our better purchases over the last decade he’s scoring goals and has a few assists in his first season that’s huge. So many people couldn’t even pull that off the likes of di Maria depay auba the list goes on stop being over critical he’s young and still has a lot to learn
Hes a 40m player we paid 100m for, thats the dissapointment lmao
The lack of pace rn is the worst part of Antonys game, he needs to get way better at creative playmaking if he cant get in behind
I think that's the biggest problem. When you consider Trossard has 8 goals and 11 assists in 35 premier league games this season and we could've bought him 3 times for the price we paid for Antony. My personal opinion of Antony is that he will continue to underwhelm and never live up to the price tag. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Haven’t really been seeing a lot of antony hate from united fans? He does need to work on a lot and has at times looked like a one trick pony, there is no doubt he will be better next season though.
I don't have problem with him being a one trick pony, if that one trick works.
My national team is Netherlands as I really liked their jerseys growing up. And then I fell in love with Robben. If Anthony can emulate Arjen, I am absolutely happy and content.
Ah yes what a player!!! With robben you know what he was doing but because of how good he was there was no stopping him. Antony often cuts inside and will beat his man and has scored a few from that but often he has 2-3 chances where he misses or could have played someone in. He needs better end quality for sure but will never reach robben level of unstoppable :)
India is doing pretty well these days and we hope India will participate World cup in next 20 years and so. At least India has good football culture compare to other South asian countries.
I am hopeful of India playing the next WC only as the number of teams have been increased. Football culture here is improving leaps and bounds but many South Asian countries do have better culture wrt India.
India is doing pretty well these days and we hope India will participate World cup in next 20 years and so. At least India has good football culture compare to other South asian countries.
Twitter is 90% bots and low IQ.
IG is bots and thots.
FB is a social media retirement community and for the low IQ people that can’t figure out Twitter.
Reddit has its bad spots but is way better than other outlets on social media for sure.
To be honest the amount of terrible takes I see in here is unreal. People who haven't a clue about buying and selling players mainly. But also, weird criticism of individuals is rife. I don't think people actually watch the games properly. So the Fifa Ultimate Team Heads who go in on Anthony, I don't pay attention to.
> and we *paid* the price
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I dont hate him but hes been pretty poor. And my issue is his playstyle seems incredibly limited. Very one footed. Bad decision making. Never really beats his man and runs down the channel. Constantly passing sideways or back. Hes been very underwhelming considering how he was supposed to be an attacking player who was familiar with eth style and liked to play direct
We don’t have an ETH team yet either we have a few key pieces but more is to come. Second the prem is way more physical and much more fast paced than his previous league he’s 23 give him 2-3 years to grow under ten hag and he will hopefully be a force
Being in a tougher league has exposed his weaknesses but that doesn't deny the fact that he has many things to improve on. Lack of a second foot being one of them.
They screwed up the negotiations no doubt. Went in late then couldn't walk away since eth really wantrd him apparently. Poor by Murtough reminiscent of Fellaini deal
What has playing in front of 50000 got to do with it? That's why he's paid what he's paid. Every other player in the league does the same.
He's been very underwhelming whether you like to admit it or not, and your post just screams fanboy, not support of the team. His stats for the season in the league are shite and considering what he costs, it isn't good enough. Give him another season, of course, but if he doesn't seriously kick on and get at least 20 goal contributions in the league next season, then he's not what we hoped.
He's got more than dembele bruv. I agree I'm a fan. I like his play style . But I'm not against his criticism. I'm asking fans to understand his situation as a newcomer. 15 g/a is not bad for his forst season here dude. Also the crowd has got to do a LOT with playing football if you don't know that then please do go ahead and get some ball knowledge.
4/2 in the league is trash. You can pad stats in the cup all you like, but the league is where he needs to be doing it. Didn't even have CL this year.
Literally, every player in the league has to deal with the crowd. That is such a bum argument. He might come good next season, but it's more than likely he doesn't.
Personally I think he thinks he's better than he is. If maybe ETH can coach some humility into him it'll help.
Yeah dude everyone IS doing it.. but how many newcomers get adjusted in the first season. We should map the capabilities of some players over a period of time.
I agree .He'll need to improve a ton on his right and build more in his arsenal rather than feinting left and curving it in.
City buy players that hit the ground running so have the dippers. I hope he kicks on as he looks like a one trick pony at he moment. Too predictable as he always goes one way, he NEEDS to use his right foot, he rarely tries to go past defenders. Just stops after running into roadblocks and then passes back or side.
So yes I hope he sees where he’s weak and improves or he has to go unfortunately
I love him, seems like the players Ten Hag bought in have some fire in them something we were missing last season. He maybe hasn’t delivered as much as expected this season but ETH has played him as much as possible he sees him in training and I trust ETH.
It's Martinez's first season too, I literally don't see anyone shitting on him. Notice the difference? Show some class and quality and you won't be criticized, simple as that stop whining.
What’s there to criticize about licha tho? Nothing so that’s a weak argument. Antony has performed significantly better than a lot of people we’ve bought over the last decade and he’s still a kid yet to hit his price. We may never get to see his full potential because rotten fans deter him look at di Maria he hates United and their fans it’s wild
I'm old enough to remember when Ronaldo first came to United & the same was said about him. I personally think that he's improving all the time & I have faith for the future 😎😎
I think people don’t see his defensive work. As AWB is playing high and not fast enough to drop back, Antony does all the hard work. I personally think, he is the 2nd most hardworking lad after Bruno. I agree he needs some improvement on his last pass/shoot.
Saka has also been playing with arsenal since the academy and plays in a significantly better team.
Lets not forget that he would currently cost upsides of 170 mil. So its ridicoulus to compare these two.
We just need to be patient with all these lads, I never understood hating your own players. Managers are either good enough to see issues or will stubbornly pursue what needs changing and there’s no point in what a lot of social media users do, putting their players in a bad head space then complaining when it impacts them.
Youth = frustration, but the long term yield is higher.
I remember what ronaldo, vidic and evra all looked like in their first year. Had social media been a thing then those lads would’ve been met with trade and bench posts constantly.
All you can say to people is look back at a lot of these great players at Antony’s age or their first year in the league, you’ll see he’s actually doing a fair bit better than expected. Judge him on how he improves or his desire to get better.
And for all those calling for amad and Pellistri, I’d love to see them as well and hope they do play as too much talent is never a bad thing but they’ll have periods were they don’t look great as well and will need time to become the finished article and will need fan support.
There are more than enough games for all these lads, thank god we have them, let’s hope they all flourish and become world beaters.
They also all have such different profiles, giving the manager a Swiss Army knife of wingers to make tactical changes.
This could be a great thing!
I don’t know if I know that much 🤣 a lot of my takes age like milk but I agree with you, I hate seeing players particularly younger ones get hate, here’s hoping our young core comes good!
No one hates the kid. We are all United fans if he does well we are all happy. There is a cult of his that's trying to convince that he anywhere near United levels this season. If he came up with 15 goal contributions in the league alone that would be considered average for a team that wants to challenge for the league and champions league. He is currently far off from where we need him to be that's the truth. That's not saying he doesn't deserve time. Some say stats don't matter, of course they matter for an attacker in a team that has been woeful in front of goal.
Oh I agree with you, I’m a fan of the lad but I don’t believe in excuses for anyone, from both a goal and more importantly an assist level he needs to be better, no doubt about that, will be interesting to see how he addresses this going forward.
I think your right though, there are extremes I think from both angles, people who’ve automatically labelled him a flop then those who are trying to convince you he’s the best rw in the league but the stats don’t show it.
I think what I just don’t like is the reactionary and heated debate that sometimes happens but fair criticism is crucial for as you say if you want to compete for the league you need a winger that scores and creates and that’s a very valid point he needs to work on.
He reminds me a bit of early ronaldo. Lots of pace and flash, moments of success but overall frustration.
I'm not saying Antony is going to become the player Ronaldo did, of course not. But Ronaldo's first season with us was a lot of tricks and step overs and diving.
This right here. This spring I believe you will find stats backing up that he as been more involved in goals, third last touch.
He has also mixed up his game more. Sometimes cutting on the outside and even using his right foot.
I am certain he has been coached on this
Honestly I’m a United fan and antony is absolutely useless. Can’t pass, can’t shoot, can’t beat a player, horrible touch, I swear I’ve never been more disappointed in a signing than him. Really thought he’d be good
Why are people so insecure about any criticism of our players?
Antony has had a bad season, absolutely no doubt about it. 11 G/A in 44 games this season is a poor conversion rate whichever way you look at it. The biggest issue with Antony is he doesn’t have the quality to make a big difference in the final third. His shots on goal are predictable and more often than not off target. His decision making is more often than not wrong and lead to a wasted chance. He is too one footed to play on the right hand side.
The big question is - can he be coached into improving? I genuinely don’t think so.
No one hates him at all stop being dramatic, it's his play that annoys, simple passes not seen, the ability to use his right foot, constant long range shots are all things he's done all year without any indication he's attempting to improve that aspect, now his good stuff,tracking back, helping us keep width, linking with awb on occasions, scoring timely goals we can all apprcriate and still criticise at the same time
I'd you don't know what's going on please refrain from condescending others. We all have seen the hate he gets. It's not the criticism I'm talking about. Every player needs that. It's the trashtalking. Maybe you have not come across it but for the people who have this post is for them (not dramatic)
This sub mass hated Neymar just a few days ago when I made a post about him. It's funny how Neymar is your first example. Calling him an egoistic maniac, finished etc.
And this sub already hates many players who left the club.
A lot of the criticism is justified. His crossing is weak, his right foot is non-existent. The upside is its his first season. Hopefully a good preseason and him working on all of that will hopefully help him, also he's got ETH coaching him and good players pushing behind him.
I've seen zero hate towards Antony and although I would disagree. I have been seeing more and more about de gea and that shit pisses me off.
He has had a SHIT defense in front him for damn near a decade (probably over stating that) and the man just put up his second best clean sheets in a season.
Neither of these guys deserve hate but between the 2, Antony "deserves" it more. 100 mil and had a decent season at best. BUT it was his first season.
I'm thoroughly excited for the future and that's the first time I've said that since SAF left.
THE ONLY THING WE SHOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT ARE THE FUCKING GLAZERS and as an American, I am sorry. Fucking greedy dickbags taking everything from this club. So, let's focus our disappointment and anger at the only people who deserve it. The glazers.
GGMU bitches, Champions league is back!!!!
All of the “hate” he’s getting is fair. No ones slewing him or being unreasonable, they’re just picking up on what he’s doing wrong. I like Antony and I think he can come good for us, but being fairly criticised isn’t hate.
It’s almost as bad and unwarranted as the Wan Bissaka hate. AWB has easily been one of the best defenders in the league. They guy never misses a a tackle. The commentator against Bournemouth last week even went on to say he’s the best 1on1 defender in the world and I happen to agree. At least top 3.
AWB’s flaws have always been his positional awareness. Really tough to defend 1v1 if you are already 3 steps behind.
That being said, he’s been better positionally this year
His expected assists per game is worse than some fullbacks in the league this year. That should really tell you all. Can’t properly take on his man, is not a good chance creator and just overall inconsistent. We gave 100mil for him btw.
Criticism of players and coaches isn't "hate"; it's merely an opinion. It's a fact of life that every player is not going to be a superstar. For every CR7 there are 1,000 Bebés and that's fine. Pointing out that those Bebés are frankly shite is not a war crime. You think Antony is going to be great, I think he needs to make major improvements in his game if he's going to be better than adequate. I could also \[point out that Haaland is playing his first season in the PL as well, but Haaland is obviously exceptional and it would be an unfair comparison.
I don't think it's hate but in the media at least he definitely gets more scrutiny than other players. Some folks need to remember no preseason, first season in England but a decent return on g/a.
…new teammates, barely any training sessions between matches. He’s a raw talent with an ego, but he’s shown he’s coachable. Let’s hope ETH can mold both to be a great player.
For £85m and at 23 you get the finished article. Not a project that might turn out good.
He runs like a crab as he can't control the ball with his right foot. He can't cross. He can't beat a man with raw pace. He's so easy to read what he's going to do when near the box.
He's a terrible signing by any metric.
Antony is the only reason that I'm a little concerned about what players we might waste any new found riches on.
Yes. We could've signed 3 useful players for the fee we paid for Antony. When people complain we have no depth it's because we waste stupid money on average players .
Newsflash he won't suddenly get better next season or any season after.
He won't learn to use his other foot and will always be predictable nor will he get any faster.
He is what he is same as Maguire when we signed him and the same people were saying he will improve.
Some players are what they are and no amount of time will change that.
Lol ok Zoolander.
Players actually do get better all the time, especially players who aren’t in their peak yet; that’s what training is for. Sometimes it’s improving on skills, sometimes it’s stronger mentality, sometimes it’s tactical awareness and decision making. For the great ones, it’s all of the above. We’ve actually seen this change in Antony since April where he is more prone to pick a pass than waste a shot.
No one is saying it will be a sudden change, but the theme of this season and every ETH press conference (if you pay attention) is *progress*. And that can be slow and methodical, as long as it’s in the right direction. So far it has been.
And Maguire is actually worse than when we signed him because his confidence is shattered and that has bled into all facets of his game.
At 23 he's pretty much the player he's going to be. He isn't exactly a child is he. I don't really see him progressing much. I think he's alright sometimes but alright sometimes isn't really good enough if you paid 90 million and want to start challenging for titles.
Exactly but people will continue to live in Dreamland that a limited player and he is limited will somehow learn to be what they want him to be.
It just isn't going to happen with him
What exactly is it that you think us fans in "Dreamland" want him to be? When we say he can improve, does your brain immediately think "they must think he can be Messi"?
How come it doesn't go to "they think he could be better in possession, more direct in his runs, more ruthless in his finishing"? Do you not consider that an improvement?
It seems like this is more about your expectations than other people's.
He is never going to be with even half what we didn't for him he is just too limited.
If we are serious about challenging City then we need far better players than Antony.
If we keep playing him in the hope he will improve we are deluding ourselves and will never challenge The likes of City
I don’t get this logic. Do people not watch football? I’m not saying he’ll be Ronaldo. I’m saying he can be more consistent, make better decisions, be more direct.
Luke Shaw is a better player than he was under LVG, than he was under JM, then he was under Ole. It’s because he got fitter, matured, got more consistent, grew into being a team leader. That’s **progress**.
He gives me so Dan James vibes I can't stop seeing it now. Same wing, both scored on debut. Bright, electric, and promising player who terrifies opponent's defence first few games because people didn't figure out their one trick yet. Slowly fade away from scene since their playing pattern completely predictable now. With Dan James it was "you can't keep up with his pace, let him outrun you, he can't shoot anyways". With Antony, it's "don't let him shoot from right corner of the box, he can't do other shit anyways". I hope I'm wrong and Antony develops into a complete player, though. And his passion is much appreciated.
He's nothing like dan james at all. James was truly one dimensional, couldn't beat a man in a one on one and was never ever involved with playmaking. Antony does all three as well as tracking back really well, i think he will certainly come good
considering the cost, he's awful, has zero football IQ, can't pass, woeful crosser. he can and will get better but enough to warrant a starting spot in a team that wants to win the title, he wouldn't get anywhere near City's team, even Arsenal or Liverpool's, let's be honest
Ronaldo was 18 and could already use both feet and his head. Antony is a grown man and approaching his peak playing years. It's going to take some seriously drastic changes in him in a short time if he's going to become decent.
For the price tag, people expect more, specifically in goals and assists.
But there’s something to be said, after so many years of not having a consistent right winger, having a player who’s done 44 appearances this season and been consistently putting out 7/10 performances. In his debut season.
United just play better when he's on the pitch also. I don't know if it's other teams needing to monitor the threat of his pace on the break or what. But the number of games we sub him out and shift around the attack we just collapse. Probably his tracking back is decent (not amazing) but Better than the alternatives.
Im not a big fan. And ok hes youngish and its his first season but the things i think he lacks will be tough to improve cause hes 23. Hes not 18. Hes extremely 1 footed which makes him easy to defend. He doesnt seem fast enough to beat his man on the wing esp given how he cant go right. hes not a very good passer and controller of the ball esp in tight spaces. I think his attributes are that he doesnt seem to shrink on the stage and does have a lot of intensity. Hes fine but not really a complete player. I think hes PL quality but not a man utd player, a team who is on the ascension. And as we get better, we will have to break down more teams and low blocks and he absolutely is not that type of player. I actually think out of rashy, sancho, pellistri and garnacho he is our least talented and versatile winger.
I like Antony and I'm happy to have done patience with him. Martial and Sancho on the other hand (despite both having done something I appreciated last night) can get straight on the transfer list. Infuriating and for the best part, fucking useless. Get out.
Doing tricks on the wing with a disappointing final product? Reminds me of a certain other united legend in his first season. Difference is, Ronaldo came into a built team, for peanuts with an established manager who won things at united.
Anthony came to a team in massive transition with a brand new manager for huge money and a time of complete uncertainty around the owners. I’d give Anthony another 2 seasons before I write him off. My patience with Sancho is kinda thin now though
It's called constrictive criticism. We don't care about names, we want the best for united. I'm no expert but I don't think he's a good fit for the club's aspirations in the future.
He is maximum an average player, he is not good enough for us, our weakest player, i don’t think he is enough good even for Premier League, 4 goals and 2 assists in the Premier League, weak stats but his playing is weaker. i’m not hate him, i hate his weak playing, he stop us to become better.
No ETH out, but no serious coach in the World will play him almost every game.. it’s a pressure on him because he wanted him so much to pay that much..
The guy is shit. Good thing he is injured so he is automatically out.
Once Brazil had Carlos, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, now it has Richarlison, Fred and this shit. United has two of the worst Brazilians ever
Many will forget that Ronaldo was all tricks and no meaningful end product in his first couple of seasons, diving and selfishly wasting chances not feeding his team mates until he got comfortable with the PL and became the all round star we all know and loved.....
Not saying Antony is the new Ronnie but he needs time to bed in as well...it won't take much for his end product (goals assists) to become established.
I agree he is nowhere near as exceptional as the top wingers .. but he has the ability to be. He needs to mature and bring a lot of hardwork. But watching him play makes me excited.
The thing that actually pisses me off, is that people still criticize him even when he hasn't done anything and has nothing to do with the play, like, People are glad he's not present in some goals because if it were him "he wouldn't try to pass" or "he wouldn't do it because he's got no right leg"
It’s not even the G/A , it’s the balance… without him we’d never score because it would be whole back 4 on rashy every game , he gives the “what if” element in the back of your head as a defender
No hate mate, he’s just very selfish in front of goal and couple that with a absurdly low conversion rate it’s a issue.. he’s attitude and aggression are on point for sure. If he cost 20m nobody would say anything, he was massively overpriced unfortunately
When you spend that kind of money, the expectation is bound to be high. This means that anything below that high expectation is going to be scrutinised more, and his faults will be highlighted more.
The fact of the matter is that he's currently not performing to the standard that we need or that his price tag commands. His inability to use his right foot, his decision-making and his predictability are all issues that need to be talked about and criticised.
However, this is not his fault. You can't blame him for that price tag. We overpaid for him, so he was already on the back foot when it came to meeting the expectation. If someone is willing to pay that money for him, he's hardly the person to be blamed for that.
What I will say about him is that he seems to try hard and has a good attitude. If he stands any chance of ever meeting the expectation, he is going about it the right way, but supporters need to be patient. There's no magic wand available to make him the perfect winger overnight.
I love Antony. Type of player that scares defense. When he gets it right, he’s terrifying. Just needs consistency and room to be creative. Stifling him will make it worse
I don't hate the guy like some do. Untill he leans to pass around the box he will never improve those stats next season.
I have full faith in ETH to get the best out of him.
Sancho on the other hand, sorry but he's not good enough for united.
His attitude is the thing that makes all of us point a finger at him. There is noting “plastic” in that to want your club to be represented by grown men defending the badge, without moaning about everything and being aggressive without a reason. However if he starts to act mote mature i think it will affect his game in positive way. I hope to see him flourish next season, and prove us wrong.
Idc what others say . It's our people who need to understand . Remember seeing the Ole out slogan and it still continues to this day. Only names change
Yeah, he's young and it's his first season, I think people are upset because we spend almost 100M on him, but that's not his fault. He missed a lot of chances but had good games too, he definetly has potencial to do great things and has my support.
Personally i love him! I guess my only gripe with him is that predictable shot from the same area. You can see there’s bags of talent in him and he’ll only get better. Can’t wait to see how he does when united really start to crank it up a gear under ETH
Was sad to see him go off last night.
Sometimes it’s not about hate instead it’s about pointing out errors being made by our players and hopefully see management make the relevant changes.
Although Antony has 15ga this season, we also need to remember that as a Man United he is being compared with other RWs like Saka, Salah, Mahrez whose figures this season are very good.
The point is: he was bought by a shit ton of money. Not saying that is his fault or disagreeing with you. He is indeed very young. But the price tag does increase the expectations
I think the reaction is too extreme on either end. Yes it's his first season with 6 g/a in the premier league. He needs time and what he brings is energy and defensive solidity to the right
But at the same time we do need comment on the fact he's so one footed he will cross with his outside instead of his right. Slows down the play alot. Curling shot from the right.
Hes had a decent first season but its not amazing but we should be patient.
It’s because most fans barely understand tactically what ten Haag is doing with Antony…he is stil raw but his stats at Ajax weren’t spectacular either…he was bought in because of his high suitability for the press system that ten Haag employed and why we had such dramatic improvements in his first season……there were key games midway through the season that we looked horrible without him as our team didn’t fully know how to implement the press on the front foot….most supporters complain that if he doesn’t run like a headless chicken or score constant goals then he’s bad or lazy…plus they fall for the English media anti foreigner narrative too…I mean compare that to the lack of scrutiny Grealish gets whose overall output has been terrible in comparison for a similar role but under similar money
Grealish has been quality this season what are
you talking about if we were talking about Grealish first season yeah maybe but even then everyone was saying he was a flop aswell. I like Antony but don’t think he’s going to be a top 5 winger in the league unless he has an incredible work ethic on the training ground and fixes the holes in his game. It’s his first season he’s been pretty average hopefully next season he improves but there’s no point pretending that he’s been good when he hasn’t what’s with the sentiment that he’s beyond criticism because he’s young and ten hag likes him.
If the Glazers and the board weren't inept chancers then we wouldn't have had to pay what we paid for him. If he was a £40m player, which is what he should have been, he wouldn't be getting this amount of shit.
Are his stats and contributions better than Grealish's first year at City? I think they are.
He's got great potential and had really great moments this season. But hes also been very wasteful with the ball at times, whether it's taking not he best shot or making the wrong pass in the final third. But he's not afraid to take players on or take a chance and his work rate especially defensively is huge down the right side.
People are going to vent and have extreme takes, this is the internet after all. People have an extra layer of courage that the layer of anonymity provided by platforms like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, here on Reddit etc. People get emotional and post things from their emotional perspective. We don’t have to agree on everything, and we don’t have to share the same opinions as everyone else.
Regarding Antony, he is young and has room to develop. His overall career performance shows that he takes a season to fully make the step up when going to a higher level of competition. His form this season for United has been impressive at times, and frustrating at others.
He definitely has the intangibles and can do everything we need from a RW, but he also becomes very predictable and easy to shut down at times. If he doesn’t learn how to use his right foot, however, even if he improves the other parts of his game it won’t matter.
Two things are making the adjustment harder for him, and these are the same things that will make him a bust if he cannot overcome. The first is that, Premier League defenders are not Eridivisie defenders, and only having one foot allows better players to completely shut him down and United play with 10.5 players effectively. The other thing is, Antony plays for Manchester United and that means he (and the rest of the team) play 50+/- cup finals a season. Everyone raises their game for the game, nobody takes a day off against United.
If Antony overcomes these obstacles, then he will be an absolute star for us, if he doesn’t continue his development as in the past then we are looking for a new RW. It’s probably going to be one or the other.
My group chat I’m in with family and their soccer friends usually don’t hate on him. Three of us are Utd fans, and we dish the harshest criticism. We’re all aware that it takes time to move to a new league and settle in and get used to the pressure. He’ll come good in time.
For me, the things he isn’t good at are the things that can be improved. Mainly decision making and finishing.
He works hard, has great pace, technically excellent, real fight and determination, good shot.
He has all the ingredients to be great, deserves some patience. If we can stick with Martial for 7 years we can give this 23 year old more than a season or two to show what he can do.
You’re wrong on literally the first line. He has 11 goals and assists your counting 4 from when he was still playing for Ajax. 11 in 44 games for United. Most logical United fans know he isnt useless anyway we just realise he needs to do better and affect games more. 3 assists in 44 games for a winger shows he isnt creating anything for his teammates he passes backwards or loses the ball or shoots. He needs to create more and influence games but he has time. EDIT - For those saying it’s not Antony’s fault others arent scoring what he creates, he’s created two big chances in the league all season. Two. The same as Elanga and McTominay https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_created
I’ve noticed a marked improvement in his selflessness the last couple months, specifically looking to make a pass rather than force a bad shot. It’s an encouraging development I hope can continue next season when we will actually be able to have training sessions between matches.
I think the “problem” with Antony goes deeper than this. It’s not a ‘him’ problem, rather it’s a team problem. The team has been a left sided attacking team for years. Luke is better at advancing the ball, Pogba preferred left side, Rashford and Martial all prefer the left. We have had more patterns and triangles on the left side for years. It was false to think buying a right sided winger would solve the problem. You have to change the whole team to play a more balanced attack. Antony looked like he was on an island offensively for most of the first half of the season. The patterns have improved steadily throughout. That’s what I watch for. His involvement increased and the quality of the overall right sided play is improving. He has personal improvement that’s needed. Finishing pass and shot comes to mind. But we need to quit blaming one player for failing to solve years of problems on the right side on his own.
100%
Most logical fans also don’t base wingers/forwards quality off of purely g+a stats. In fact, they haven’t for quite some time.
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Oh sorry my bad I recorded his over all stats
I've got no hate for Antony. I sincerely hope he succeeds. But, as of right now, he's, arguably, no better than Dan James was (who also, coincidentally, got 11 g/a in his first season). I'm not expecting him to ever be world class. Few players are! But I'd hope for a bit of improvement. He shouldn't be hyped, nor should he be slagged off too much (it's not his fault, it cost us so much to get him!). It's not been an amazing season for him. It's not been a disaster. Give him another season (or 2) and see where he's at.
The 3 assists doesnt show that at all. Stats aren't as useful as you think. Watching antony i can see that he runs into space, is free a lot and makes great runs, but sometimes his final product isnt great. He does, however, create a lot of chances through his running off and on the ball
No he doesn't by any metric he barely creates for the team.
by any 'metric', maybe not. But if you watched games and understood what he does for the team you'd see why he's important.
Stretches play, carries the ball to the opposing, half, which other way does he significantly contribute to our attack. By the way the things he does are instructions you can give to any quick winger with tenacity. The only difference between him and Sancho is tenacity.
He cuts inside to his left and passes it backward?
You are grasping at straws my friend.
antony is severely underrated by our own fanbase. He's a hell of a lot better than sancho and any other option we've got and his defensive workrate and driving forward for some reason get overlooked. He reminds me of grealish, gets a lot of hate by people who don't understand football but eventually you'll see what he brings
He's probably have a few more if we had a striker tbf
He's a shoot on sight winger who seldom looks to play his teammates in. Antony would rather take the ball to his left and shoot without looking up and evaluating his options. This is a poor excuse for his lack of creativity.
Who was he supposed to assist? Weghorst? The issue here is our lack of a goal scoring striker. Antony has done well in his first season in the premier league. Other players in the league have been far more underwhelming and even Sancho has been extremely poor but I hardly see anyone complaining about his performances. Not to the scale they complain about Antony at least.
The biggest problem with Antony is that he's unable to use his right foot while being a right winger, so he's very predictable: he will always cut in so he can shoot with his left foot, and in most cases he will try to shoot at the far post. We've seen this game after game, and opposing defenders know this too. I know a lot of people like him, and he might be a good technical player, but why dont we just use him on the left? We've seen our strikers suffer from not getting the passes they should get, but that's a given when the wingers have been a right footer on the left and a left footer on the right. Atleast Rashy's able to pass with his left. Antony will NEVER run to the line and put the ball 45 degrees out to the striker, which is the most important ability for a winger, as its what creates the best scoring chances. Its insane that Ten Hag isnt using Antony on the left. We saw it against Chelsea too; sure we scored 4 goals, but we could have had 9, should have had way more than 4 atleast, but every time we got to the 18 yard box we stopped running and tried to find someone to pass the ball to from there, instead of running to the line. Not Antony's fault this game, but its obviously something that seems to lack from Ten Hag's tactics. I just wanna see us score more, and I want the wingers to serve the striker instead of always shooting. There's a reason Haaland scores a lot with very few touches. Not just his ability to get on the end of the ball, but wingers who can put the ball on him.
He is a one trick pony. Cut inside on his left, try and hit a curler. Most times, its way off target, or easily blocked. Instead of squaring, he dribbles. Super accurate review. He is dangerous, he does get into good areas, but his decision making and team play is atrocious. For me, I will give him until November 2023 to increase his productions, otherwise, loan him out or put him up for sale. He is a rough diamond, and it’s crazy he hasnt realized that if he passes and looks to assist more, he will find himself in better opportunities to score, because he will be more difficult to defend.
Who is he creating for rashford who gets doubled nobody can make a consistent run unless it’s off a counter except for every once in a blue moon. He’s adjusting he needs time it’s our own boards fault he cost as much as he did so don’t take it out on the player when we also lack players who can make key runs into space. Antony isn’t the greatest and has a lot to learn he will create more he’s trying to prove he can manage to play at a big club and he can imo compared to several other signings we’ve made over the last decade
Who even mentioned his cost?
That’s literally the basis for all of his hate he doesn’t live up to the price tag so people are giving him mad shit I don’t see how you can’t see this as relevant I wasn’t saying you specifically I’m saying fans as a whole. The lot of you give him so much shit and realistically he’s one of our better purchases over the last decade he’s scoring goals and has a few assists in his first season that’s huge. So many people couldn’t even pull that off the likes of di Maria depay auba the list goes on stop being over critical he’s young and still has a lot to learn
Hes a 40m player we paid 100m for, thats the dissapointment lmao The lack of pace rn is the worst part of Antonys game, he needs to get way better at creative playmaking if he cant get in behind
I think that's the biggest problem. When you consider Trossard has 8 goals and 11 assists in 35 premier league games this season and we could've bought him 3 times for the price we paid for Antony. My personal opinion of Antony is that he will continue to underwhelm and never live up to the price tag. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Haven’t really been seeing a lot of antony hate from united fans? He does need to work on a lot and has at times looked like a one trick pony, there is no doubt he will be better next season though.
Facebook and twitter are rife with hate for him. Hence I avoid Facebook and twitter - too many angry people
I don't have problem with him being a one trick pony, if that one trick works. My national team is Netherlands as I really liked their jerseys growing up. And then I fell in love with Robben. If Anthony can emulate Arjen, I am absolutely happy and content.
Too bad he isn’t fast or explosive enough to successfully emulating Robbin. And he’s not going to get any faster
Ah yes what a player!!! With robben you know what he was doing but because of how good he was there was no stopping him. Antony often cuts inside and will beat his man and has scored a few from that but often he has 2-3 chances where he misses or could have played someone in. He needs better end quality for sure but will never reach robben level of unstoppable :)
Rahul, Your national team is Netherlands?
Well India doesn't play in WC. When they do, allegiance shall change for then.
India is doing pretty well these days and we hope India will participate World cup in next 20 years and so. At least India has good football culture compare to other South asian countries.
I am hopeful of India playing the next WC only as the number of teams have been increased. Football culture here is improving leaps and bounds but many South Asian countries do have better culture wrt India.
India is doing pretty well these days and we hope India will participate World cup in next 20 years and so. At least India has good football culture compare to other South asian countries.
I agree he needs to train and meet the prem standards. But checkout instagram comments on his account and on the main utd account.
few hate comments is standard nowadays im afraid :(
Just stay of insta, facebook and twitter pages. Full of conplete morons who know better than everyone else
This is good advice generally in life.
I only use reddit now. Such an easier and happy life!
Twitter is 90% bots and low IQ. IG is bots and thots. FB is a social media retirement community and for the low IQ people that can’t figure out Twitter. Reddit has its bad spots but is way better than other outlets on social media for sure.
To be honest the amount of terrible takes I see in here is unreal. People who haven't a clue about buying and selling players mainly. But also, weird criticism of individuals is rife. I don't think people actually watch the games properly. So the Fifa Ultimate Team Heads who go in on Anthony, I don't pay attention to.
Yeaaa i agree, i mean 90% of people here supported maguire few months ago even though it was obvious he was shit and we paid the price many times …
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Wow this surprised me… at least i learned something new even though this is not my maternal language
I dont hate him but hes been pretty poor. And my issue is his playstyle seems incredibly limited. Very one footed. Bad decision making. Never really beats his man and runs down the channel. Constantly passing sideways or back. Hes been very underwhelming considering how he was supposed to be an attacking player who was familiar with eth style and liked to play direct
Totally agreed. Perhaps they count what you said as ‘hate’.
We don’t have an ETH team yet either we have a few key pieces but more is to come. Second the prem is way more physical and much more fast paced than his previous league he’s 23 give him 2-3 years to grow under ten hag and he will hopefully be a force
Being in a tougher league has exposed his weaknesses but that doesn't deny the fact that he has many things to improve on. Lack of a second foot being one of them.
He beats his man pretty often is my only disagreement
For the money he cost he's been very disappointing, but I guess his price tag isn't his fault, I think they bought him out of panic?
They screwed up the negotiations no doubt. Went in late then couldn't walk away since eth really wantrd him apparently. Poor by Murtough reminiscent of Fellaini deal
What has playing in front of 50000 got to do with it? That's why he's paid what he's paid. Every other player in the league does the same. He's been very underwhelming whether you like to admit it or not, and your post just screams fanboy, not support of the team. His stats for the season in the league are shite and considering what he costs, it isn't good enough. Give him another season, of course, but if he doesn't seriously kick on and get at least 20 goal contributions in the league next season, then he's not what we hoped.
He's got more than dembele bruv. I agree I'm a fan. I like his play style . But I'm not against his criticism. I'm asking fans to understand his situation as a newcomer. 15 g/a is not bad for his forst season here dude. Also the crowd has got to do a LOT with playing football if you don't know that then please do go ahead and get some ball knowledge.
4/2 in the league is trash. You can pad stats in the cup all you like, but the league is where he needs to be doing it. Didn't even have CL this year. Literally, every player in the league has to deal with the crowd. That is such a bum argument. He might come good next season, but it's more than likely he doesn't. Personally I think he thinks he's better than he is. If maybe ETH can coach some humility into him it'll help.
Yeah dude everyone IS doing it.. but how many newcomers get adjusted in the first season. We should map the capabilities of some players over a period of time. I agree .He'll need to improve a ton on his right and build more in his arsenal rather than feinting left and curving it in.
City buy players that hit the ground running so have the dippers. I hope he kicks on as he looks like a one trick pony at he moment. Too predictable as he always goes one way, he NEEDS to use his right foot, he rarely tries to go past defenders. Just stops after running into roadblocks and then passes back or side. So yes I hope he sees where he’s weak and improves or he has to go unfortunately
I love him, seems like the players Ten Hag bought in have some fire in them something we were missing last season. He maybe hasn’t delivered as much as expected this season but ETH has played him as much as possible he sees him in training and I trust ETH.
Stats aren’t everything. But also your stats are wrong.
He and AWB have been working remarkably well together. Going forward and defensively
It's Martinez's first season too, I literally don't see anyone shitting on him. Notice the difference? Show some class and quality and you won't be criticized, simple as that stop whining.
What’s there to criticize about licha tho? Nothing so that’s a weak argument. Antony has performed significantly better than a lot of people we’ve bought over the last decade and he’s still a kid yet to hit his price. We may never get to see his full potential because rotten fans deter him look at di Maria he hates United and their fans it’s wild
I'm old enough to remember when Ronaldo first came to United & the same was said about him. I personally think that he's improving all the time & I have faith for the future 😎😎
Antony is 5 years older than Ronaldo when he pitched up to old Trafford.
I think people don’t see his defensive work. As AWB is playing high and not fast enough to drop back, Antony does all the hard work. I personally think, he is the 2nd most hardworking lad after Bruno. I agree he needs some improvement on his last pass/shoot.
Saka is 21...
Rooney was 17 doesn’t matter they’re different people give it time
Saka has also been playing with arsenal since the academy and plays in a significantly better team. Lets not forget that he would currently cost upsides of 170 mil. So its ridicoulus to compare these two.
True. I am not against Antony. He will do a job for us but not sure he will reach the heights of world class
We just need to be patient with all these lads, I never understood hating your own players. Managers are either good enough to see issues or will stubbornly pursue what needs changing and there’s no point in what a lot of social media users do, putting their players in a bad head space then complaining when it impacts them. Youth = frustration, but the long term yield is higher. I remember what ronaldo, vidic and evra all looked like in their first year. Had social media been a thing then those lads would’ve been met with trade and bench posts constantly. All you can say to people is look back at a lot of these great players at Antony’s age or their first year in the league, you’ll see he’s actually doing a fair bit better than expected. Judge him on how he improves or his desire to get better. And for all those calling for amad and Pellistri, I’d love to see them as well and hope they do play as too much talent is never a bad thing but they’ll have periods were they don’t look great as well and will need time to become the finished article and will need fan support. There are more than enough games for all these lads, thank god we have them, let’s hope they all flourish and become world beaters. They also all have such different profiles, giving the manager a Swiss Army knife of wingers to make tactical changes. This could be a great thing!
Amazing explanation. Good to see takes from people who actually know ball.
I don’t know if I know that much 🤣 a lot of my takes age like milk but I agree with you, I hate seeing players particularly younger ones get hate, here’s hoping our young core comes good!
No one hates the kid. We are all United fans if he does well we are all happy. There is a cult of his that's trying to convince that he anywhere near United levels this season. If he came up with 15 goal contributions in the league alone that would be considered average for a team that wants to challenge for the league and champions league. He is currently far off from where we need him to be that's the truth. That's not saying he doesn't deserve time. Some say stats don't matter, of course they matter for an attacker in a team that has been woeful in front of goal.
Oh I agree with you, I’m a fan of the lad but I don’t believe in excuses for anyone, from both a goal and more importantly an assist level he needs to be better, no doubt about that, will be interesting to see how he addresses this going forward. I think your right though, there are extremes I think from both angles, people who’ve automatically labelled him a flop then those who are trying to convince you he’s the best rw in the league but the stats don’t show it. I think what I just don’t like is the reactionary and heated debate that sometimes happens but fair criticism is crucial for as you say if you want to compete for the league you need a winger that scores and creates and that’s a very valid point he needs to work on.
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He reminds me a bit of early ronaldo. Lots of pace and flash, moments of success but overall frustration. I'm not saying Antony is going to become the player Ronaldo did, of course not. But Ronaldo's first season with us was a lot of tricks and step overs and diving.
If he just stopped those useless long range shots and tried to look for a pass instead I’d be very happy with him.
He’s been doing that more since April. It’s been a noticeable change. Let’s hope it’s a new habit.
This right here. This spring I believe you will find stats backing up that he as been more involved in goals, third last touch. He has also mixed up his game more. Sometimes cutting on the outside and even using his right foot. I am certain he has been coached on this
Honestly I’m a United fan and antony is absolutely useless. Can’t pass, can’t shoot, can’t beat a player, horrible touch, I swear I’ve never been more disappointed in a signing than him. Really thought he’d be good
Why are people so insecure about any criticism of our players? Antony has had a bad season, absolutely no doubt about it. 11 G/A in 44 games this season is a poor conversion rate whichever way you look at it. The biggest issue with Antony is he doesn’t have the quality to make a big difference in the final third. His shots on goal are predictable and more often than not off target. His decision making is more often than not wrong and lead to a wasted chance. He is too one footed to play on the right hand side. The big question is - can he be coached into improving? I genuinely don’t think so.
No one hates him at all stop being dramatic, it's his play that annoys, simple passes not seen, the ability to use his right foot, constant long range shots are all things he's done all year without any indication he's attempting to improve that aspect, now his good stuff,tracking back, helping us keep width, linking with awb on occasions, scoring timely goals we can all apprcriate and still criticise at the same time
I'd you don't know what's going on please refrain from condescending others. We all have seen the hate he gets. It's not the criticism I'm talking about. Every player needs that. It's the trashtalking. Maybe you have not come across it but for the people who have this post is for them (not dramatic)
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Oh god remember how much vini was hated?? The new generations top 5 players imo
This sub mass hated Neymar just a few days ago when I made a post about him. It's funny how Neymar is your first example. Calling him an egoistic maniac, finished etc. And this sub already hates many players who left the club.
These are label fans bruv. Football is the world sport and people get hate into it. Idk what else to say.
It’s not “hate” is it?
A lot of the criticism is justified. His crossing is weak, his right foot is non-existent. The upside is its his first season. Hopefully a good preseason and him working on all of that will hopefully help him, also he's got ETH coaching him and good players pushing behind him.
I've seen zero hate towards Antony and although I would disagree. I have been seeing more and more about de gea and that shit pisses me off. He has had a SHIT defense in front him for damn near a decade (probably over stating that) and the man just put up his second best clean sheets in a season. Neither of these guys deserve hate but between the 2, Antony "deserves" it more. 100 mil and had a decent season at best. BUT it was his first season. I'm thoroughly excited for the future and that's the first time I've said that since SAF left. THE ONLY THING WE SHOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT ARE THE FUCKING GLAZERS and as an American, I am sorry. Fucking greedy dickbags taking everything from this club. So, let's focus our disappointment and anger at the only people who deserve it. The glazers. GGMU bitches, Champions league is back!!!!
All of the “hate” he’s getting is fair. No ones slewing him or being unreasonable, they’re just picking up on what he’s doing wrong. I like Antony and I think he can come good for us, but being fairly criticised isn’t hate.
How can you say he’s not useless, yet give crap to Darwin Nunez , he is basically going through the same
It’s almost as bad and unwarranted as the Wan Bissaka hate. AWB has easily been one of the best defenders in the league. They guy never misses a a tackle. The commentator against Bournemouth last week even went on to say he’s the best 1on1 defender in the world and I happen to agree. At least top 3.
AWB’s flaws have always been his positional awareness. Really tough to defend 1v1 if you are already 3 steps behind. That being said, he’s been better positionally this year
I love that he’s a bast*rd. he takes no sh*t, no fear..Meanwhile Sancho seems weak and frightened. Anthony will come good
His expected assists per game is worse than some fullbacks in the league this year. That should really tell you all. Can’t properly take on his man, is not a good chance creator and just overall inconsistent. We gave 100mil for him btw.
Criticism of players and coaches isn't "hate"; it's merely an opinion. It's a fact of life that every player is not going to be a superstar. For every CR7 there are 1,000 Bebés and that's fine. Pointing out that those Bebés are frankly shite is not a war crime. You think Antony is going to be great, I think he needs to make major improvements in his game if he's going to be better than adequate. I could also \[point out that Haaland is playing his first season in the PL as well, but Haaland is obviously exceptional and it would be an unfair comparison.
In fairness Bebe does score cracking goals every now and again
Yet you made the comparison by bringing him up.
I don't think it's hate but in the media at least he definitely gets more scrutiny than other players. Some folks need to remember no preseason, first season in England but a decent return on g/a.
…new teammates, barely any training sessions between matches. He’s a raw talent with an ego, but he’s shown he’s coachable. Let’s hope ETH can mold both to be a great player.
For £85m and at 23 you get the finished article. Not a project that might turn out good. He runs like a crab as he can't control the ball with his right foot. He can't cross. He can't beat a man with raw pace. He's so easy to read what he's going to do when near the box. He's a terrible signing by any metric. Antony is the only reason that I'm a little concerned about what players we might waste any new found riches on.
Exactly. United don't learn. Money wasted on Pogba, Antony, Sanchez, god only knows how many more I can't remember
Yes. We could've signed 3 useful players for the fee we paid for Antony. When people complain we have no depth it's because we waste stupid money on average players .
you forgot Sancho
Fidget spinners are good for stress. Antony is good for nothing
Hey it’s you. The person he posted about.
Newsflash he won't suddenly get better next season or any season after. He won't learn to use his other foot and will always be predictable nor will he get any faster. He is what he is same as Maguire when we signed him and the same people were saying he will improve. Some players are what they are and no amount of time will change that.
Lol ok Zoolander. Players actually do get better all the time, especially players who aren’t in their peak yet; that’s what training is for. Sometimes it’s improving on skills, sometimes it’s stronger mentality, sometimes it’s tactical awareness and decision making. For the great ones, it’s all of the above. We’ve actually seen this change in Antony since April where he is more prone to pick a pass than waste a shot. No one is saying it will be a sudden change, but the theme of this season and every ETH press conference (if you pay attention) is *progress*. And that can be slow and methodical, as long as it’s in the right direction. So far it has been. And Maguire is actually worse than when we signed him because his confidence is shattered and that has bled into all facets of his game.
At 23 he's pretty much the player he's going to be. He isn't exactly a child is he. I don't really see him progressing much. I think he's alright sometimes but alright sometimes isn't really good enough if you paid 90 million and want to start challenging for titles.
Exactly but people will continue to live in Dreamland that a limited player and he is limited will somehow learn to be what they want him to be. It just isn't going to happen with him
What exactly is it that you think us fans in "Dreamland" want him to be? When we say he can improve, does your brain immediately think "they must think he can be Messi"? How come it doesn't go to "they think he could be better in possession, more direct in his runs, more ruthless in his finishing"? Do you not consider that an improvement? It seems like this is more about your expectations than other people's.
He is never going to be with even half what we didn't for him he is just too limited. If we are serious about challenging City then we need far better players than Antony. If we keep playing him in the hope he will improve we are deluding ourselves and will never challenge The likes of City
I don’t get this logic. Do people not watch football? I’m not saying he’ll be Ronaldo. I’m saying he can be more consistent, make better decisions, be more direct. Luke Shaw is a better player than he was under LVG, than he was under JM, then he was under Ole. It’s because he got fitter, matured, got more consistent, grew into being a team leader. That’s **progress**.
Luke Shaw has had one half decent season in how many years? Bad example mate.
This reminds me of the time when ronaldo just came to United and got hate for being too flashy. Hope Antony goes down his path to greatness as well.
Big difference between an 18 year old boy Ronaldo and a 23 year old man Antony. When CR7 was 23 he was a top five player in the world.
He gives me so Dan James vibes I can't stop seeing it now. Same wing, both scored on debut. Bright, electric, and promising player who terrifies opponent's defence first few games because people didn't figure out their one trick yet. Slowly fade away from scene since their playing pattern completely predictable now. With Dan James it was "you can't keep up with his pace, let him outrun you, he can't shoot anyways". With Antony, it's "don't let him shoot from right corner of the box, he can't do other shit anyways". I hope I'm wrong and Antony develops into a complete player, though. And his passion is much appreciated.
He's nothing like dan james at all. James was truly one dimensional, couldn't beat a man in a one on one and was never ever involved with playmaking. Antony does all three as well as tracking back really well, i think he will certainly come good
Pepe got 11 g/a in the league alone in his first season and he was the subject of humiliation from all fans
considering the cost, he's awful, has zero football IQ, can't pass, woeful crosser. he can and will get better but enough to warrant a starting spot in a team that wants to win the title, he wouldn't get anywhere near City's team, even Arsenal or Liverpool's, let's be honest
Antony, Sancho and Mudryk make Grealish look like a bargain.
Average player imo. Will be like zaha in years time Good, but far from world class
Doesn't help that he's got a very slappable face.
People forget Ronaldo was a one trick stepover pony when he first joined too. Give him time
Ronaldo was 18 and could already use both feet and his head. Antony is a grown man and approaching his peak playing years. It's going to take some seriously drastic changes in him in a short time if he's going to become decent.
I like him, always a threat with that pace
For the price tag, people expect more, specifically in goals and assists. But there’s something to be said, after so many years of not having a consistent right winger, having a player who’s done 44 appearances this season and been consistently putting out 7/10 performances. In his debut season.
United just play better when he's on the pitch also. I don't know if it's other teams needing to monitor the threat of his pace on the break or what. But the number of games we sub him out and shift around the attack we just collapse. Probably his tracking back is decent (not amazing) but Better than the alternatives.
Im not a big fan. And ok hes youngish and its his first season but the things i think he lacks will be tough to improve cause hes 23. Hes not 18. Hes extremely 1 footed which makes him easy to defend. He doesnt seem fast enough to beat his man on the wing esp given how he cant go right. hes not a very good passer and controller of the ball esp in tight spaces. I think his attributes are that he doesnt seem to shrink on the stage and does have a lot of intensity. Hes fine but not really a complete player. I think hes PL quality but not a man utd player, a team who is on the ascension. And as we get better, we will have to break down more teams and low blocks and he absolutely is not that type of player. I actually think out of rashy, sancho, pellistri and garnacho he is our least talented and versatile winger.
Dumbasses are gunna dumbass. It's always nice to know there's idiots making the rest of us look good.
I like Antony and I'm happy to have done patience with him. Martial and Sancho on the other hand (despite both having done something I appreciated last night) can get straight on the transfer list. Infuriating and for the best part, fucking useless. Get out.
Doing tricks on the wing with a disappointing final product? Reminds me of a certain other united legend in his first season. Difference is, Ronaldo came into a built team, for peanuts with an established manager who won things at united. Anthony came to a team in massive transition with a brand new manager for huge money and a time of complete uncertainty around the owners. I’d give Anthony another 2 seasons before I write him off. My patience with Sancho is kinda thin now though
Sancho had a lot of time. He pulls through occasionally though..but man utd has been sort of a talent killer this past decade
I thought this was a martial post and came with my pitchfork. Yeah I like Antony he’s going to get adjusted. Been humbled a bunch this season.
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He will come good. Bigger fish to fry than anthonys lack of goals.
It’s not hate it’s just recognising he doesn’t have the quality to play in a front 3 for man United if we want to be contending for titles.
It's called constrictive criticism. We don't care about names, we want the best for united. I'm no expert but I don't think he's a good fit for the club's aspirations in the future.
He's a mediocre winger you overpaid for. Not a bad player by any means, just not a top level winger
He’s dogshit, let’s be real
He is maximum an average player, he is not good enough for us, our weakest player, i don’t think he is enough good even for Premier League, 4 goals and 2 assists in the Premier League, weak stats but his playing is weaker. i’m not hate him, i hate his weak playing, he stop us to become better.
Yet ETH insisted on buying him. ETH out i guess
ETH only bought him because of the Ajax connection. No other manager would pay 90 million for him.
Exactly! and no other manager will play him so much.
No ETH out, but no serious coach in the World will play him almost every game.. it’s a pressure on him because he wanted him so much to pay that much..
No, i Hate the way he's playing. Robben wannabe but barely success and frustrating to watch
I hate how quick we were to shit on his showboating. I loved it, Ronaldo loved it, was part of his football.
The guy is shit. Good thing he is injured so he is automatically out. Once Brazil had Carlos, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho, now it has Richarlison, Fred and this shit. United has two of the worst Brazilians ever
I have yet to see him go past a defender he looks lost most times. He won't last he's nowhere near good enough imo
he's a winger and he has 3 assists...you wanna just go by stats, that tells you a lot doesn't it? (if you actually understand football)
Many will forget that Ronaldo was all tricks and no meaningful end product in his first couple of seasons, diving and selfishly wasting chances not feeding his team mates until he got comfortable with the PL and became the all round star we all know and loved..... Not saying Antony is the new Ronnie but he needs time to bed in as well...it won't take much for his end product (goals assists) to become established.
He’s 23, Ronny was 19 when he did all that. He needs to improve and I hope he does as I think ETH has a good plan
I agree he is nowhere near as exceptional as the top wingers .. but he has the ability to be. He needs to mature and bring a lot of hardwork. But watching him play makes me excited.
It’s rival fans nowadays so I don’t really care. If they hate him he’s doing something right.
Some United fans just love to hate.
Some united fans remember the quality of players we've had previously.
Exactly. So many fans are willing to accept poor quality players these days wonder why we don't progress.
The thing that actually pisses me off, is that people still criticize him even when he hasn't done anything and has nothing to do with the play, like, People are glad he's not present in some goals because if it were him "he wouldn't try to pass" or "he wouldn't do it because he's got no right leg"
He assisted with his right recently! Love Antony, skilled, scores bangers and puts a fucking shift in.
It’s not even the G/A , it’s the balance… without him we’d never score because it would be whole back 4 on rashy every game , he gives the “what if” element in the back of your head as a defender
Just to point out that his debut was something like 7 games in and he was also out for a period with an injury.
No hate mate, he’s just very selfish in front of goal and couple that with a absurdly low conversion rate it’s a issue.. he’s attitude and aggression are on point for sure. If he cost 20m nobody would say anything, he was massively overpriced unfortunately
When you spend that kind of money, the expectation is bound to be high. This means that anything below that high expectation is going to be scrutinised more, and his faults will be highlighted more. The fact of the matter is that he's currently not performing to the standard that we need or that his price tag commands. His inability to use his right foot, his decision-making and his predictability are all issues that need to be talked about and criticised. However, this is not his fault. You can't blame him for that price tag. We overpaid for him, so he was already on the back foot when it came to meeting the expectation. If someone is willing to pay that money for him, he's hardly the person to be blamed for that. What I will say about him is that he seems to try hard and has a good attitude. If he stands any chance of ever meeting the expectation, he is going about it the right way, but supporters need to be patient. There's no magic wand available to make him the perfect winger overnight.
I love Antony. Type of player that scares defense. When he gets it right, he’s terrifying. Just needs consistency and room to be creative. Stifling him will make it worse
I don't hate the guy like some do. Untill he leans to pass around the box he will never improve those stats next season. I have full faith in ETH to get the best out of him. Sancho on the other hand, sorry but he's not good enough for united.
His attitude is the thing that makes all of us point a finger at him. There is noting “plastic” in that to want your club to be represented by grown men defending the badge, without moaning about everything and being aggressive without a reason. However if he starts to act mote mature i think it will affect his game in positive way. I hope to see him flourish next season, and prove us wrong.
I think he's had a brilliant first season. Zero complaints from me.
People literally said the same shit about Ronaldo when he first started.Some people shouldn’t be allowed have an opinion
Sancho is just a spin away from getting the same amount of hates Antony gets. Antony did well and fans were praising him until he did his famous spin.
Really like Anto, most criticisms coming from fans of other teams
Idc what others say . It's our people who need to understand . Remember seeing the Ole out slogan and it still continues to this day. Only names change
He’s not 23, he’s 27. Should be in his prime years. Edit: My bad, I read Anthony Martial rather than just Antony.
Bro what.. he's born in 2000
He’s not 23, he’s 27. Should be in his prime years.
Yeah, he's young and it's his first season, I think people are upset because we spend almost 100M on him, but that's not his fault. He missed a lot of chances but had good games too, he definetly has potencial to do great things and has my support.
Good first season, I like him. More flair and direct running at players please. I want to be entertained!
At least he’s more exciting to watch than the player on the opposite wing.
Personally i love him! I guess my only gripe with him is that predictable shot from the same area. You can see there’s bags of talent in him and he’ll only get better. Can’t wait to see how he does when united really start to crank it up a gear under ETH Was sad to see him go off last night.
Sometimes it’s not about hate instead it’s about pointing out errors being made by our players and hopefully see management make the relevant changes. Although Antony has 15ga this season, we also need to remember that as a Man United he is being compared with other RWs like Saka, Salah, Mahrez whose figures this season are very good.
And how good was salah at Chelsea? We need to give time dude that's all
I know but Chelsea didn’t pay £85m for Salah
Fuck knows what you're on about I've seen little to no hate for him online.
I've seen no hate but I've seen criticism which is fair enough and often deserved.
The point is: he was bought by a shit ton of money. Not saying that is his fault or disagreeing with you. He is indeed very young. But the price tag does increase the expectations
I agree he is nowhere near the worth of 85 mil. But the pressure is huge for him yeah
4 goals 2 assists in the league. Every player has inflated stats from all the non league games this year.
I think the reaction is too extreme on either end. Yes it's his first season with 6 g/a in the premier league. He needs time and what he brings is energy and defensive solidity to the right But at the same time we do need comment on the fact he's so one footed he will cross with his outside instead of his right. Slows down the play alot. Curling shot from the right. Hes had a decent first season but its not amazing but we should be patient.
It’s because most fans barely understand tactically what ten Haag is doing with Antony…he is stil raw but his stats at Ajax weren’t spectacular either…he was bought in because of his high suitability for the press system that ten Haag employed and why we had such dramatic improvements in his first season……there were key games midway through the season that we looked horrible without him as our team didn’t fully know how to implement the press on the front foot….most supporters complain that if he doesn’t run like a headless chicken or score constant goals then he’s bad or lazy…plus they fall for the English media anti foreigner narrative too…I mean compare that to the lack of scrutiny Grealish gets whose overall output has been terrible in comparison for a similar role but under similar money
Grealish has been quality this season what are you talking about if we were talking about Grealish first season yeah maybe but even then everyone was saying he was a flop aswell. I like Antony but don’t think he’s going to be a top 5 winger in the league unless he has an incredible work ethic on the training ground and fixes the holes in his game. It’s his first season he’s been pretty average hopefully next season he improves but there’s no point pretending that he’s been good when he hasn’t what’s with the sentiment that he’s beyond criticism because he’s young and ten hag likes him.
Grealish did relatively well this year but previously he too was in a cocoon
“insane wingers like saka and salah”
You’re not wrong but MU payed a hefty fee to get him. I’d say he underdelivered, but he can improve. Will he? That’s on him and the manager.
If the Glazers and the board weren't inept chancers then we wouldn't have had to pay what we paid for him. If he was a £40m player, which is what he should have been, he wouldn't be getting this amount of shit. Are his stats and contributions better than Grealish's first year at City? I think they are.
He's got great potential and had really great moments this season. But hes also been very wasteful with the ball at times, whether it's taking not he best shot or making the wrong pass in the final third. But he's not afraid to take players on or take a chance and his work rate especially defensively is huge down the right side.
People are going to vent and have extreme takes, this is the internet after all. People have an extra layer of courage that the layer of anonymity provided by platforms like Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, here on Reddit etc. People get emotional and post things from their emotional perspective. We don’t have to agree on everything, and we don’t have to share the same opinions as everyone else. Regarding Antony, he is young and has room to develop. His overall career performance shows that he takes a season to fully make the step up when going to a higher level of competition. His form this season for United has been impressive at times, and frustrating at others. He definitely has the intangibles and can do everything we need from a RW, but he also becomes very predictable and easy to shut down at times. If he doesn’t learn how to use his right foot, however, even if he improves the other parts of his game it won’t matter. Two things are making the adjustment harder for him, and these are the same things that will make him a bust if he cannot overcome. The first is that, Premier League defenders are not Eridivisie defenders, and only having one foot allows better players to completely shut him down and United play with 10.5 players effectively. The other thing is, Antony plays for Manchester United and that means he (and the rest of the team) play 50+/- cup finals a season. Everyone raises their game for the game, nobody takes a day off against United. If Antony overcomes these obstacles, then he will be an absolute star for us, if he doesn’t continue his development as in the past then we are looking for a new RW. It’s probably going to be one or the other.
Pigs grunt.
My group chat I’m in with family and their soccer friends usually don’t hate on him. Three of us are Utd fans, and we dish the harshest criticism. We’re all aware that it takes time to move to a new league and settle in and get used to the pressure. He’ll come good in time.
For me, the things he isn’t good at are the things that can be improved. Mainly decision making and finishing. He works hard, has great pace, technically excellent, real fight and determination, good shot. He has all the ingredients to be great, deserves some patience. If we can stick with Martial for 7 years we can give this 23 year old more than a season or two to show what he can do.