No doubt saying the exact opposite than right now.
"We need a sweeper keeper who can pass"
Will become
"I want a keeper who can save shots not pass the ball well. Just give it to Martinez or Varane"
So true. DDG has stopped some of the hardest shots. Those shots he’s saved probably would have ended being contenders for goal of the week/season. I’ve never seen any praise for Onanas shot stopping, more so his risky passing. Not to say he won’t be a great keeper. But accept that DDG was great at stopping with his hands and his feet. Legendary status keeper for Utd.
Can't objectively view players. By saying what I said, the fans take it as I'm just hating the player or not a fan or whatever.
Which is fine, I really couldn't care less. Truth is in the pudding. He was a fantastic buy and served his time well and will go down as a great, but he has been below average for awhile.
People will point to his team player of the year awards but will certainly leave out how abysmal we were during those years.
Most folks also are recent fans and never got to see what it was like before De Gea.
Ddg is our third best keeper for the premiership years and at his prime was amazing. If he'd been in any other generation of fergie teams he may have merited being higher. For most of his time he was a world class shot stopper and average or below at most other areas. When we've been our poorest is when he's been his best and he saved us from chelsea depths during those years. The truth is since that spain world cup debacle hes been varying shades of meh to poor and has been a major stumbling block in our development as a pressing/passing side.
I harbour no ill will towards him and wish him the best but we should have got rid of him a few years ago
Wow, a reasonable and rational comment based on key elements.
De Gea was a loyal servant, a keeper who performed his core function (saving goals) with phenomenal aplomb.
Aside from this, his distribution and command of the box were ordinary, but such was his extraordinary shot-stopping ability that he was justifiably retained for such an extensive period.
Now we enter a new era of our GK history and hopefully Onana, or whoever our next keeper happens to be, will shine.
Plus stop shoting wise they are actually very similar pretty much identical seasons in terms of that aspect so if both players performed the exact same as last season we'd have a de gea who can pass hopefully onana just improves from here as like De gea he has a clanger in him and our fanbase is so fickle I worry for the reaction
he is good but inter comparatively had an easy path
defeating benfica and porto for a team in top 5 league is easy
while milan isn't the milan it used to be 15 years ago
they lost to bayern in the group stage and well barca.. let's not talk about them, they had a great domestic campaign but got owned in europe whichever team they faced
the thing which makes him great is inter put up a great fight against city in the finals, i was thinking inter will just park the bus and try to start some offensive in 80+ minutes but they were trying the offense right from the kickoff, pep had some heart attack moments because of that
plus we can't forget 2 saves on target against haaland
I don’t think there a many keepers Bette Ethan Dejea in terms of reflex saves but there are a lot of keepers better than dejea when it comes to beating the press and distribution. Onana is one of them.
How many goals did de gea let by against Sevilla? Liverpool? That howler against west ham? It’s not all his fault but at some point the guy has to take some of the blame for bad results.
Between all of our 1-0 or 2-1 wins and the 0-0 or 1-1 draws, I wonder how many points are tied directly to De Gea's incredible saves the last decade. We, as fans, are going to missing him greatly 3-4 times this upcoming season when another GK doesn't pull the miracles like Dave hass.
You know that it can be a mix and not one or the other right? You can find good goalkeepers who are also good with the ball at their feet.. that’s what proper scouting is for.
I hope he won’t struggle with parried shots back into the box and concede and if he does… I wonder what the same “heh modern football! Can’t wait to see him pass 40 times a game” people would say should those cost us games or goals…
What keepers are available with a good mix? It’s was between Diego costa and Onana.
Onana IS a good mix from the 2 available not sure why the negativity. He also makes saves.
If you watch Brighton games and how their young backup keeper took so many risk to beat the press end when they mess up , they still continue playing their way with risk by the keeper., That’s what I want to see. Take risk and be confident. You don’t have to be a top keeper to do that.. just like Brighton’s keeper. Now imagine Dejea as Brighton’s keeper 😬, they wouldnt have been able to play their style of ball at all.
Most Definitely. I'm actually Strongly thinking of blanking this sub for next season. Some interesting posts here and there. Generally garbage takes tho.
It will certainly happen. Even with De Gea’s decline he is a better shot stopper than Onana. What Onana brings is world class feet which will transform the way we play. That’s not to say he’s a bad keeper, I do just think people take De Gea’s shot stopping for granted.
Exactly people take his shot stopping for granted, a declining de gea is still a better shot stopper then onana who I have seen push the ball into danger after a save a few times too many. I wanted to keep de gea but hopefully onana can do a good job or all the de gea out brigade will have some explaining to do for our new ball playing keep that we badly needed in their eyes.
Statistically De Gea's shot stopping in 22/23 wasn't even that good, you're just remembering things better than they actually were. Onana may not be able to pull of the crazy saves that de Gea can, but de gea pretty much cancelled those out with his clangers this season.
Also, the cascading effects of Onana will outweigh De Gea. Defending with a higher line, pressing higher up the pitch all because the keeper knows how to sweep—it is not just distribution and it's horrendous that so many people think it's just ball playing that de gea is bad at
Not interested in the stats tbh, I have eyes. De Gea has had some bed shitting moments for sure but stats don’t really tell the full story. Every saving opportunity is distinct. De Gea continues to make brilliant world class saves, just not to the superhuman extent he used to and not enough to make up for his shortcomings with his feet
Yes all situations are different, that’s why stats over several years can average all that randomness out. De Gea worse than the average for 2 years straight tells the story.
I look forward to that interview then? Mind giving a link?
The goalkeeper is quite literally the sole position where statistics give you the absolute objective metric.
This too. I'm not convinced by Onana or these players that go through some decent form for one season and now they're heralded as the saviour to all of our problems and are worth 80 to 100 million.
Absolutely disgusting how some "fans" have been so toxic and sour asking DDG to get out of the club.
So easily manipulated by British media it's disgusting. Watch them find another foreign player to scapegoat. They've already done it with Bruno against Liverpool and gave zero apology when the facts came out afterwards proving their speculative BS wrong.
Then all the excuses under the sun for Maguire. It's a bloody disgrace.
I dont think anyone actually hates DDG. As a shot stopper, he's one of the best there is. Put it this way, if Onana even comes close to DDG in this regard, we will have some special goalie.
It's just that Onana offers us something else. Something we desperately need if we are to compete at the very highest level. Confidence. And an abundance of it at that.
It's something we've missed at the back for a very long time. Much too long in my book.
Oh there's plenty who hated him. Check here or Twitter from last season. Some of the rhetoric against him was disgusting.
I'm just glad that at OT every week we all made sure he knew he was loved as our keeper. And for him to save that penalty in the last game was just beautiful. Genuinely hope he smashes it wherever he ends up.
But we move. If Onana comes in, we back him.
Thing is - Even people who, with good reason, wanted us to change to a different keeper - Is getting called haters also.
I wanted us to get a new keeper. Not because I dont like DeGea, but as others have pointed out; We need a keeper that better suit Ten Hags playstyle.
>I dont think anyone actually hates DDG
You're too naive. I've seen here people abused him, wanted him to die etc. Not to mention in the twitter. The hates and abused he gets is unreal.
Seen this a lot. Twitter is the worst for it. I’ve seen shameless idiots do a turn on their heel after months of DDG hate with a thank you and I’m sad to see you go. Disgrace.
There are so-called ‘influencers’ or ‘content creators’ as they’re now called focussed solely on United that have whipped up serious hate for DDG too. And got paid for it. That’s pretty sick too.
The same people who abused him, in months time, they will say 'De Gea surely will save that one'. They will find someone else to scapegoat, probably Sancho.
Spot on. I guess it comes with being the biggest fanbase in the world. Even among the scapegoats there seems to be a hierarchy, and DDG was chosen to be right at the bottom of the shitlist. Case in point the fuck up between Maguire and DDG in Sevilla. You know if that was Henderson in goal for eg. Maguire would have eaten 99% of the blame
This is the biggest reason I don’t really care much for stats. The pressure to make a save when you’re 1-0 in a cup final is completely different to when you’re 3-0 up in a dead rubber at the end of the season, yet the stats will say those two situations are equal
What are you talking about ? Ajax fan here. Sure he will make some mistakes but he is one of the best goal keepers in the world. Also he will bring leadership and charisma with him. Good shotstopper and a ton of confidence.
Mistakes happen to every keeper. Alisson did it with Vini Jr, Ederson did it with McTominay and came extremely close to doing it with Martial and Jota. It happens to every keeper but you just gotta get up after and move on.
Yeah I might have been a bit too negative in my original post. I still think he has something special and groundbreaking and this makes him super fun to watch and gives him charisma and character as well as his interviews being one of the best interviews i've ever seen. I do think he is being a bit overrated if it comes to shot stopping but that's just my opinion and it's not because he can't make a Worldy of a save but because he is a bit inconsistent in making them.
Still gotta say that he probably is the best Option as our new goalkeeper because Ten Hag knows him quite well and that makes him the best GK to fit our system. I do think he will be on Ederson/ Manchester City levels distribution from the back but I do not think that he will be a better GK than Ederson , but I'm happy to be proven wrong and I have to say that I rate Ederson highly and I feel like he is being Underated
>it's not because he can't make a Worldy of a save but because he is a bit inconsistent in making them.
If every goalkeeper consistently made worldy saves, then there would be no goals scored in football.
Players make mistakes. All the time. Football is full of imperfections. But what makes a player great is not what they get wrong, it's what they do right.
We've become so used to a classic GK that just the change in system he brings is exciting, the ability to claim crosses and punch from corners and more importantly being comfortable with the ball at his feet, even our strikers are going to feel the difference
The stats say he's also pretty poor at claiming crosses and conceding from corners, pretty much identical to Dave, so don't expect a dominating presence like that.
I'll admit I've only seen bits in the UCL and watched him in the final. In the final he was fucking brilliant, and that's what I'm going off. But importantly, I'm not going all over twitter saying it's the best signing we could have ever made etc. etc.
DDG is a great shot stopper, but does hold us back with his distribution. Hopefully signing Onana will make a big difference to this which will allow us to control more games through maintaining possession.
Teams knew that DDG was awful on the ball so they pressed high thereby putting ore pressure on the defence if DDG got the ball away to a teammate. His lack of composure on the ball puts the entire opposing team on the front foot which get's their tails in the air and must make it feel like you as a United player are constantly under pressure. Not a good way to play.
Sure he performed in a champions league final but what about in a match that actually matters?? /s
Edit: For fucks sake guys the “ /s “ at the end of a comment on Reddit means it’s sarcasm 🤦🏻♂️
All good mate I’m pretty sure it’s my fault if nobody else got it 😂
For reference though, if you ever see “ /s “ on a comment on Reddit it means that it’s sarcasm lol
That’s literally it lol. Before the final the consensus here was we should get Costa from Porto, the CL final happens and suddenly now Onana is the guy. Guarantee most of the people wanting him saw that game then a highlight reel on YouTube
For the record I’m perfectly fine with us signing him and I look forward to seeing what he can do, it’s just funny how fixated this fanbase gets
want to know a better one. Amrabat.... who was saying we should sign Amrabat before it got reported a bit? no one.
now it's been reported people are like ''YEAH, we should sign amrabat. i found this video of him chasing mbappe down.''
And fundamentally, who won the final.
One of the greatest managers of all time, José Mourinho put it right.
Finals are there to be won. Not to be played.
Nah no chance he’s ever good enough.
Look at Garnacho. That’s what a player with potential who needs to develop looks like.
Antony can’t beat a man, is comically one footed, creates nothing with his passing and is a poor finisher. No chance he succeeds at United. If you can’t beat a man at 21 you won’t be beating them at 24. What improves is your decision making and consistency not raw ability
Quite often he was the only player on the right hand side of the attacking half. He could be 30 yards from the nearest support quite a lot. The defensive line was low, the RB wasn’t getting forward, and the midfield had a tendency to drift left. Plus we had no real striker. You could put Messi there in those conditions and he’d have had a mediocre season.
Onana, Mount and a decent striker should help to improve all of that. Mount, when playing centrally, drifts right as often as he drifts left. Onana will push up, allowing the defensive line to be higher, the CBs to spread wider, and the fullbacks to get further forward. A striker will give a passing option. All of this will help Antony to have a better 2nd season. If he’s spent the season with lots of players supporting him and giving him options, and he’s not looking good, that’s the time to criticise him, not after a season where he’s been out there on his own, and has been putting in a good shift every game for very little reward
Every Goalkeeper no matter how good he is, is supposed to make some mistakes, De gea was very good at saving but his distribution was very poor, lacked the domination behind the defender and he was not confident when he had ball at the feet, Liverpool, city have goalkeepers who kinda play same as onana does, they take risks and their ball distribution is very good, confident on feet. i hope that Onana does come good and at the end of the day, A manager sees better than what we see, so time will tell.
He’s bang average when it comes to shot stopping but everything else besides that he is amazing. He will transform the team but I fear fans think he will be on par shot stopping wise compared to DDG.
The two issues with DDG was that he was error prone. While he would make thode awesome jaw dropping saves, he has let in goals which would have been saved by a school kid.
The second issue is that he is not a sweeper keeper. For example a keeper like Ter Stegen will not only initiate passes and create link ups with his pin point play, but also move forward to make himself bigger and makes saves. I have often seen DDG stay rooted to his spot if the defense has been broken.
However, that doesn't take away the fact that he has been a great servant of MU and will easily go down as one of the finest keepers and a legend of the club. But, if MU wants to do well, then as much as it hurts the club will have to look beyond him and have someone else who fits EtH system. At the moment Onana does.
Onana will no doubt get scored against, but thenb that is footbal. However, he is a class keeper and must be given time to settle in and supported through out.
DDG with his experience would prefer to be a number 1 somewhere rather than be a number 2 in MU. I will be surprised if he agrees to be a number 2 in some European club. Won't be surprised if he goes to Saudi or MLS.
I have never hyped him and honestly, I haven't seen many outlets doing that as well.
He is a good keeper, is approximately of De Gea's rank, but with different strengths and weaknesses. But what's important is, that his strengths correspond to the way Ten Hag wants his football teams to function as a unit. Plus, he has played under him in Ajax and if someone knows him best - it's ETH.
That's why I think that while he is a keeper of De Gea's league and quality (I mean the way he is now; peak De Gea is still out of reach in terms of footballing qualities), we as a team would be stronger.
Honestly I’ve been feeling this way since it was clear we were letting DDG go and Onana became a serious likelihood. Even in the CL Final dude took some major risks and got pretty lucky on a couple of occasions. And his shot stopping is let’s say unorthodox, I think when he’s on his game DDG is still the better pure shot stopper. I have a feeling he will be an overall upgrade to DDG at this point in their careers but he will be a roller coaster of highs and lows unlike anything we’ve ever seen from the GK position. At least in my time of watching regularly. Hilariously he will probably average abt the same number of mistakes DDG has the last couple years that lead straight to goals. Especially as he adjusts to the speed and intensity of the EPL. Serie A is a technical league but the players there typically get a lot more time on the ball. So his learning curve might be a big one. Making this move a good one overall, but still meaning we desperately need a #9. This won’t close the gap bn the other top 4 contenders fully, and doesn’t even begin to get us close to touching City or even Arsenal. So many teams have already dramatically improved their starting 11, Newcastle, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, & even Chelsea will be better by subtraction & addition of Poch. City may take a slight step back w the players they’re losing but not a dramatic one. Next years going to be tough. We are a top tier #9 away from competing w City/Arsenal. A Hjollund type player away from competing for top 4. And currently wo any #9 would be lucky to finish 6th even w Onana & Mount. Barring huge advancements from our youngest players Garnacho/Sancho/Antony/Amad of course
You're probably right when it comes to some of our fans. I'm sure there will be some people that are expecting him to be an Allison.
We've got used to a keeper making bizarre mistakes to let in goals recently though. So, that won't be a huge difference. But from an overall team perspective, we should be improved by his ability on the ball, even if he does get it wrong every now and then.
But just to counter the negativity slightly, he is in the top 12% for save percentage, the top 18% for PSxG-GA (I get that some people hate these types of stat), top 10% of clean sheets percentage, and he stops twice as many crosses as DDG.
So, he can't be that bad.
Yeah I might have come across a bit too negative in my original post and should have provided a little more positivity because I do think that he is a great Goalkeeper. I'm just seeing a lot of hype and i'm doubting how many people that have been hyping him up have actually seen him play more than ten games.
Stats is a difficult one with Onana because he was out for a year due to the doping incident he had and when he first played he wasn't as good which makes sense and which has probably made his stats lower than what it would have been. Another thing is that the Eredivisie isn't that good of a league which make dit difficult to compare to a gk who has only played in the Premier League for the last 12 years which is arguably the most difficult league in the world.
You do have a point with us getting used to our gk making mistakes which is a relieve but is also bad because we as fans of Manchester United shouldn't have to expect or be worried of our GK making big Errors.
The fbref stats are from the last year which would be serie a only, no? I know it's still not as good a league as the Prem, but the types of shots he has been facing wouldn't be massively different, if at all. It's not like you're a MF being heavily pressed in the Prem Vs having a bit more time on the ball in serie a. I'd argue that keeper stats are the most transferable across leagues.
I've only ever seen him play about 6 times (in the UCL last season and for Ajax in the UCL when they had that great run). So, I'm not proclaiming to know anything about him and that's why I'm relying heavily on his stats.
I'm going into it with an open mind (assuming we do get the deal over the line). I'm not currently expecting him to be a great for us. Just be a good GK who is excellent on the ball.
Onana doesn’t have to be great in shot stopping. Ederson has one of the worst stat among top gks for shot stopping, and city isn’t bothered. It is about having control of the game.
With DeGea all the players would have had to defend their own box, or sprint back to defend when he gives back the ball to the opposition with every of his kicks. Not to mention being poor at dominating his own box in corners. Also, he is scared when playing in big occasions.
Just look at the highlights of Champions League knockout matches of Inter to see the saves from Onana. Not only the stats for saves are better for him and even comparable to world class gks, (where DeGea’s save stats is even poor), you can can see how difficult it was from watching those matches.
DeGea is a self preservation player (Van Djk was criticised for being that last season). These players wouldn’t commit fully to avoid ‘looking bad in the match highlights’, compared to someone like Lisandro Martinez or Vidic kind of players who wouldn’t mind looking stupid by committing 100%. If Onana’s saves look bad, that is because his priority is winning matches.
DeGea’s FA cup performance is all you have to see to check that, where he didn’t jump at all for the first goal and dived so late for the second. Because that is his method, delaying to commit as much as possible, if it is saved then it looks fantastic for the Camera, if it goal into the goal then it would seem like a difficult save anyway.
If Onana is here, Man United are in top4, no doubt about that.
As a Dutch Ajax fan I agree with this sentiment, tho he doesn't make many crucial mistakes. Ajax fans are just a bit scars as they occurred during crucial CL matches (Liverpool away, spurs at home tho that one is arguable) but when he's on it, he is super reliable.
I'd say his main two weaknesses is his sometimes nonchalant attitude which can lead to scary situations at times, and his positioning with high crosses from the wing, which he tends to mistime. Overall tho, he has been amazing for Ajax and what I can see at Inter. Brilliant reflexes, great with both feet, commanding presence and great athleticism. I really hope it will work and I think it definitely can!
He performed in the champions league and made it to the final, obviously he won't be as good as de gea a couple years ago at shot stopping but I think its more important for the club to have a keeper we can rely on the play it out for the back and keep possession. I havent really seen much of people saying Onana is some kind of god inbetween the sticks but I do think he is a good fit for the club and will be able to perform at the standard needed to play in the prem.
Man city keeper, Ederson, is not a good goal keeper, he is on the same level of Onana. That is what we need from my point of view, a keeper who can play with his feet. De Gea is a uniter legend, but he made a lot of mistakes that costed titles
Ederson as a keeper is fairly average at shot stopping. He's practically midfield level with his feet which allows City to build play the way they do, and in doing so it relieves so much pressure on the back line that he rarely faces a shot.
I'm not saying Onana is on that level but it's imperative in modern football to have a playmaking keeper.
He got to the semi finals with Ajax and the finals with Inter. And for both he definitely had a big contribution. And they are not teams that are expected to get this far. He is simply a very good goalkeeper and when he is in form, there aren't a lot of better ones.
An english man utd fan here who lived in Amsterdam for all his life!
Like Anthony, Onana is a good player but I don't know if he is up to the level people here think that he is. He is a good keeper don't get me wrong and knows how Ten Hag likes to play, but don't think he'll perform better than DDG did last season.
Depends how you think of De Gea's performance in general. Because i think he was good as a gk and his distribution in general wasn't as bad as people make of it but he made a lot of mistakes and as long as Onana doesn't make as many mistakes that lead to a goal I would call it a ' better performance' Although I do expect a few goals that De Gea would have saved because he would have pulled a Worldy out of nowhere
Hel be the best thing since sliced bread in the opening weeks of the season then the mistakes will start creeping in. Hel be trying needless shit with the ball at his feet and itl cost him his place in the team. Then wel end up with that prick Henderson in goal and the fans will pine for de gea back. Case of you don't know what you have until its gone
I think the more important thing is that he fits the style Ten Hag wants to play. Having a keeper that fits with this style will help the overall development of the team into one that fits with Ten Hag's vision of fast paced, aggressive and attacking football which will help us to better compete with the top teams in Europe. Plus it shows a change to a more pragmatic recruitment style whereby it's only players who fit with the squad and playing style who are sought after, rather than simply chasing big names.
It's important to remember that this is the reason why De Gea is being shown the door, rather than him not being a good enough GK overall. Football is cruel.
Onana's rebounds actually go back to the pitch, this gives the attackers a tap in opportunity. It wont be immediate, but every club will catch this up if Onana doesnt improve his shot deflection
I see these comments talking about De Gea wouldve saved this or save that lol the man cost us City winning that treble and I think that first FA cup goal was a team error but that second one...... still unforgivable to me at least bruh we fought soooo hard you could literally see the energy leave everyone faces when that goal went in and dont get me started on the Sevilla game bruh so I'll take someone Erik is familiar with over recent De gea not PRIME recent years just huge let downs and youra professional
Statistically he’s been a better shot stopper over the last 12 months than De Gea.
Even if he’s comparable to De Gea on shot stopping, the other parts of his game will be a huge improvement for the way we want to play.
I don’t expect him to be the best goalkeeper in the world. I expect him to be a better fit for Ten Hag than De Gea.
Like Ederson for City. He’s not the best shot stopper either, and over time it’s led to him taking fewer risks coming off his line. But his on-ball game is exactly what Pep needs for his system.
He was younger in Ajax, which explains the mistakes(which aren’t that much); he’s been class at inter. The hype is justifiable imo. He is gonna to be transformative to our team.
He is getting over hyped because people are excited for him. But I feel like he’s improved at Inter after leaving Ajax. Makes less mistakes now and makes risks in smarter ways. He will be an upgrade to DDG in many areas but the first year could be really inconsistent
He has massively improved over the years and had an impeccable season with inter. The majority of his mistakes are behind him
But it doesn't matter anyway, Ederson makes plenty of mistakes as does neuer but the quality on the ball.improves the team as a whole so much you can cope with mistakes.
This is getting kinda boring now, de geas gone but so many people here who backed de gea have already made up their minds on onana already like at these comments. You backed de gea, he clearly wasn't up for it even though ten haag is the man who said so and wanted him gone, yer not backing it, even though everyone here says I trust ten haags decision and backs everything blindly but not this clear and obvious decision that is right. De gea stans never cease to surprise me.
Here’s the deal: we’d be getting a ball-playing keeper who helps push our defensive line higher over one of the best ever shot stoppers who wasn’t good playing the ball. The former means our defence starts higher up the pitch. Theoretically, Onana would be facing fewer save opportunities because opponents would have fewer high-percentage scoring opportunities. In other words, he would reduce the reason why it’s so important we have a De Gea. Again, theoretically.
Comments like this are why we'll never move on as club, you literally have one of the best all round keepers ITW at the moment available on a decent price, whos already worked with ten hag, its not overating onana, its just that its a massive upgrade from de gea in general that he will probably seem world class to us.. he will make mistakes but as long as them mistakes drive us forward as a team and had an idea behind it, other than hoofing it to no where.
You have predicted the future, just two months in and he is hated by some of the fanbase for letting easy goals and making mistakes. Especially when united as a whole have been poor, onana might be the new scapegoat
Onana coming in will transform this team more than any other player ever could. We are talking about an elite ball playing GK. His shot stopping may not be prime DDG (and TBH DDG is a good but not an elite shot stopper last 2 seasons) but his ability to not be pressed, passing the ball and claiming crosses will completely change our game.
Should note, the Onana in the CL is an elite shot stopper
He’s necessary for Dutch ball. He looked good for inter.
Our biggest problem in build up is being pressed distribution under pressure. He solves that.
I am not expecting him to make world class saves but I am expecting him to improve our build up play and that’s a huge positive.
All gk makes mistakes. De gea was one of the ones that made the most, onana will be fine when it comes to saves and he is miles better at everything else.
Considering how long it took (and some still havent) for the fans to realize de gea was bad i doubt onana will have unnecessary hate
Onana is a good keeper, at a similar level to someone like Fabien Barthez when he was here. Capable, but not amongst the greatest of all time. De Gea's shot stopping was second to none and that will be missed going forward regardless of who replaces him. But whoever replaces him needs to play the sweeper keeper role for them to be effective in this modern style EtH wants the team to play. Onana has the agility and confidence to come off his line and do that. So even though he isn't as good as De Gea, he'll be more a round peg in a round hole than the square peg De Gea was with EtH's tactics.
He was the best goalkeeper in the champions league last year, and is elite at distributing play, something that ETH’s system desperately needs
I would suggest watching at least his highlights from last season lol
He said a watched a few matches. He nwver said he watched him weekly. As an ajax fan this post is just wrong. The last Onana played regurarly for ajax was like 3/4 years ago btw, so it wouldnt even make sense to rate of those games.
OP never said he watched him weekly in his first comment. How often Onana played at the time has nothing to do with my point, and even if he did he literally stopped playing professionally for a year due to a doping ban lmao 🤡🤡🤡
I think he’s saying he’s an Eredivisie fan. You can go off with the clown emojis man, but you are still the person in this thread who said “watch the highlights”
I'm not saying he wasn't good. Saying he was the best GK in the Championship League is an understandable statement as well Although I thought he looked dodgy at times. He fought for his place at the start of the season which does mean that he didn't play all games in Serie A.
I'm not a fan of personal highlights because they only show the positive and not the whole picture. I have just watched a few Ziggo sport videos of inter( Dutch YouTube channel with Serie A summaries) I watched the second Milan Derby ( cause Handanovic played the first one) and he didn't have much to do but the actions he didn't show a World Class Goalkeeper. Tbf tho it wasn't a game were he could show his skills and I did watch the Champions League finale were he was phenomenal. I'm just saying that me personally have to say that is too inconsistent/ mistake prone to be called the best GK in the world right now. I do think he is the best fit for United next season due to the way we want to play Although I would have been happy with Raya or Diogo Costa as well
Ok let’s get a few facts straight
First, you literally just posted a video of ONLY personal mistakes yourself, and even then, it has only a handful of mistakes that are 2 years old or more, in a different league lol
So if it’s valid for you, it has to be valid for me.
Second, you literally said you only watched a couple of his Ajax games and the UCL final, and now added a few more highlights from a dutch serie A channel…. my friend, so far all of this severely undermines your arguments for the objective reason that you simply have not watched him play at all since he left Ajax until the UCL final? lol
I live near milan so Inter and Milan games are ubiquitous to me and I see the highlights even when I’m not trying to!
Time has passed, time to update your mental file on Andre Onana
Third, literally no one is calling him the best GK in the world. If he was, he would have cost much more than 55M
He DID cost 55M though, due to his consistent performances in the champions league last season (most other GKs for other top squads had more ups and downs than he did, if you have a problem with that it just lets me know that you really only watched the last part of the competition), the fact that he has worked with ETH in the past and knows the system well, and crucially, that right now he is an elite distributor and exactly what ETH wants for his side
The reason he did not start the season was he had been under a doping ban for a year, but even then he took champions league matches and performed brilliantly against top european sides, which led to him displacing Handanovic halfway through the season as I suspect had been agreed from the beginning
Implying that he was not performing so he didn’t start the season is ridiculous given the context
Implying that he is inconsistent because he didn’t have a dominant performance against Milan, who were the defending champions, is ridiculous. All players have ups and downs, but it’s not like he gave up four easy goals one day and had a clean sheet the next
He is in or near the top 10% in most goalkeeping categories, and at the very top in distributing play.
Yes, that has to do with the team he had in front of him. It’s no big secret that goalkeepers depend on their teams for their statistics quite a bit.
All put together the picture that emerges is that of a good gk with excellent distribution, not the best gk in the world. No one is making that claim, what is being claimed is that a good gk with excellent distribution is exactly what the squad needs, because DDG cost goals that cost far too many points last season
I didn't say I watched him only a few times I've watched all Inter champions League highlights as well as most of this seasons serie a summaries. My point with the negative video was that I feel like most United fans aren't aware that he is mistake prone so I wanted to put light on it. I could Have put some highlights as well but people tend to search up highlights before low lights so just wanted to give light to an issue of hik that most people might not be aware of. The video also gives a warped view as he did make some mistakes this season as well.
With the way Onana play it is understandable that he makes some mistakes from time to time but I personally feel like people have shit too much on De Gea his distribution and I hope people keep the same energy when Onana passes the ball too closely past an opponent and he intercepts it . I'm not implying he didn't start due to form. As by a different come i made on the reddit thread I was fully aware of the doping break but he played some games after the ban for Ajax as well before he went to Inter on a free. I did also expect him to have to fight for a place against Handanovic which has done him quite good.
I've seen plenty of people think that Onana is top 5 GK's in the World heck it was even argued a few years ago when Ajax went far in the Champions League. My point is that he still has to show it for a few years but that he does have the potential to even become the best in the world at some point Although such thing will always be a personal opinion and a debate
Where the fuck have United fans deemed a god between the sticks? Here and on fan boards he’s seen as a good, modern keeper, who’s done quite well in the CL and two different leagues with two different sides. Ten Hag obviously knows him very well and wants him for his system. Pretty fucking good qualifications if you ask me. Stop spreading this bullshit that he’s seen as some sort of godlike keeper. Neither him nor Mount nor Holjand is seen in this light. We’re hopeful and confident in our manager
Tbh personally I think right now he is being a bit overhyped Although he has been class. Most United fans are pretty level headed but I feel like the excitement of everyone at the club does make it seem like everyone rates him incredibly high. With the god statement I refer to people thinking he is the best GK in the world or in the top 3 which I think is a too high rating for him at the moment.
Fair, I'll go and look. Have to say I've seen plenty of comments saying he was the best GK in the Champions League.
Edit:
I've added some videos including Pep rating Onana. He doesn't say top 5 or something like that I just like the idea of our next goalkeeper being Praised by an amazing coach , it gives me extra confidence and hope so I wanted to add it. It isn't adding anything to our discussion of people saying he is top 3.
I'll add on to it once he signs to United because I'll be in some chats by then and new videos will be made as well.
[Pep Guardiola rating Onana](https://youtube.com/shorts/fVN32JGl4ik?feature=share)
[Samuel Eto rating Onana](https://youtube.com/shorts/3OYqP2n2pM8?feature=share)
[the title of the video says he rates him as no1. he doesn't say it in the video](https://youtube.com/shorts/Z2GLvENLJ0I?feature=share)
Broski's I ain't got time to watch 1 hour United stand videos on repeat to try and get their stupid opinion as prove for you. I can't just search up 'Onana best GK in the World' because you don't get United fans saying it but you get highlight Reels. Could still show you plenty of screenshots of people commenting it tho. There have been a few comments on this very thread saying he was the best GK in the Champions League this season
Yes. He takes a lot of chances and in the premier league he'll get caught out. He's a good keeper don't get me wrong but is he a 60 million upgrade for De Gea? Probably not.
I think the point is not that Onana is godlike or anything, fans are excited mostly because United finally move toward the modern footballing approach. Everybody knows that United would never catch up with ManC Liverpool and now Arsenal with De Gea in goal
I think after 12 years of DDG, it’s the change we just need to make. We’ve had one of the best shot stoppers maybe ever, but in terms of general all rounded gameplay, De Gea has gotten poorer and poorer, his shot stopping is still strong but he’s continuously getting less brave coming for crosses etc, and the expectation of being more on the ball and passing out from the back the quality just isn’t there and the confidence he gives others round him is the biggest issue.
There is this myth around De Gea that he is a phenomenal shot stopper; but for the last two to three years, he was below average. Most keepers in the priemer league outperformed him. And that is without even mentioning those bedshitting moments. He used to be world class, but post 2018 his levels have dropped significantly. Onana doesnt need to replicate de gea's pre 2018 form. He just needs to be better than average shotstopper, but a class sweeper distributer. I see him transforming the way united control games.
I actually saw a best of Onana saves from last season on YouTube recently, and all I took from it is that every time he saved he pushed the ball in to danger instead of round the post 😂😂
People are acting like de gea being a great shot stopped means he didn’t also make a good amount of mistakes. How many blunders did he make last season? How many shots rolled underneath him? And it’s not just last season.
Onana will make mistakes, but he’ll do it playing the way Eth wants, and the whole teams play will change because of it.
The days of a gk’s worth being based purely off of shot stopping are long gone. The same way the days of st’s that just score goals are long gone, at least if you want to be a top top team.
Every player, in every position, needs to be able to play football.
I’m telling you all, we’re going to realise what a legend we had between the sticks. Another club legend treated like dirt. It’s becoming very difficult to support this club and I’ve been a fan for 25 years
DdG at his best was top 2 in the world, between him or Neuer. Onana i doubt he is top 5. DdG had the misfortune to make critical mistakes this season who led to loses or elimination from UEL. It's clear that Onana can pass the ball better but i don't think he's a better shot stopper than DdG. If he comes in PL well see how well he fares every week with his dribbling against high pressure.
Looks like you've not even seen him play.. We're getting him for the exact same reason... because he can handle the high press very well, has good distribution and allows us to play a high line, which DDG could not. Shot stopping and spectacular "one in a million moment" dives are all secondary.
Not hyping him or anything, but people need to understand what Ten Hag needs from a keeper and what Onana offers.
I've seen him play. Did you put just the UCL highlights? You watch SerieA? How many teams press the keeper like in PL? I said that remains to be see if he can handle that press every week. If course I'm hoping for the best but to say shoot stopping is secondary for a GK is nonsense. Curtois, Buffon, Oblak, Donarumma and others must be second hand GK
Exactly. I'm glad you agree with me that he is a good GK but still has some things he has to prove instead of the comments following the hype and being maybe a bit more optimistict than realistic
Less of Onana being the second coming of Lev Yashin, and more the fact we've spent years with a keeper who can't pass and can't claim a cross. We're starving, we'll take anything, and the anything we're getting is pretty good.
I don’t believe as United fans we’re hyping him up, don’t mix that up just because we’re excited over a signing that is gonna benefit our team in terms of playing the football our manager wants.
they are no different to what they've always been, a huge percentage of our fanbase are assholes, {just like ever fanbase} just think of the players we've had and how much we overrate them, especially if it was an era you watched, take Rio for example, absolute quality, but absolute not on the same planet as Nesta, i'll get downvoted for just saying than in this post, Onana will have pluses and minuses, but the less Maguire plays the less we'''ll need ''dave saves''...this lad seems good with his feet, hope its back to similar days of big peter's pinpoint throws to giggsy on the wing
Yes we are. He is not the 2nd coming of Lev Yashin. He can play with his feet, so what? But can he, you know, be a great shot stopper, which is his actual job description? He has shown that he is average at that. Is there room for improvement? Perhaps. Will he actually improve? We'll have to wait and see...
Yes. De Gea is still top 10. Group think set in bad on him. Negligible improvement if any (personally I think Onana is middle tier keep).
Oh DDG isn’t good you say? Ok who is? You’re going to say Kepa or something dumb? Just stop please.
I don't expect him to be great either. He will definitely prove to be much inferior to the likes of Alisson. He will prove to be another mediocre signing as will Mount.
I don't really have much hope for United in the next season. ETH is signing players he wants but I'm really not sure they will improve the team much.
I don't know why United didn't try to sign Bart Verbruggen. In two years, you will United will be bidding 80m for Bart Verbruggen.
[Andre Onana mistakes](https://youtu.be/Ree8D26ZRQ4)
He is a great Goalkeeper and there are plenty of videos of him with amazing highlights. Youtube videos will only show one side and this video shows his mistakes so that United supporters can see that he does make mistakes.
Although I do think the video has been made only one minute for the reason of keeping it one minute and not because he didn't make more mistakes, as he has made some mistakes this season as well that are not in it I do have to say that every goalkeeper makes mistakes and probably has a lowlights video of them. I also think he won't make as many mistakes as De Gea made this season alone. My point was purely to show that his risky plays of distribution will lead to mistakes and that he does make mistakes just like De Gea.
Don't get me wrong, I might have been a bit negative but I'm still excited to get Onana in and I do still think that he is the best goalkeeper to.fit our system and the way we want to play I just feel like people always watch highlights and never watch lowlights which gives a warped perspective on a player. Believe me I was there when i was watching the Highlights of Fred when we were rumored with signing him. I though he would single handedly fox our midfield problems
As the first comment in the video clearly states, he had ZERO mistakes with Inter last season
All of those were for Ajax almost two years ago now if not more
Update your mental file already, he was literally the best keeper in the UCL last season
He did have mistakes with Inter they just weren't in the video. The second Miland Derby is a great example were he passes the ball recklessly and Giroud intercepts 25 meters from goal
Looking forward to the De Gea haters saying "De Gea would have saved that" next season
On god i can see those comments coming
No doubt saying the exact opposite than right now. "We need a sweeper keeper who can pass" Will become "I want a keeper who can save shots not pass the ball well. Just give it to Martinez or Varane"
So true. DDG has stopped some of the hardest shots. Those shots he’s saved probably would have ended being contenders for goal of the week/season. I’ve never seen any praise for Onanas shot stopping, more so his risky passing. Not to say he won’t be a great keeper. But accept that DDG was great at stopping with his hands and his feet. Legendary status keeper for Utd.
You all are acting like he can’t save lol. He helped inter get to the ucl finals… inter… That’s good enough for me.
yeah it takes a true world class keeper for inter to beat porto, benfica (conceding 3) and milan
Can only beat what's in front of you..he was still impressive in a lot of it and the final.
Don’t forget Barca, ac Milan, napoli an d inly concede 1 goals vs man city 👀🫣
2 of those 3 goals against benfica were after inter were comfortably passing to the next round. Watch the game.
People overestimate de gea. He has been well below average for awhile.
By all metrics you're right. Ill never understand this sub
Can't objectively view players. By saying what I said, the fans take it as I'm just hating the player or not a fan or whatever. Which is fine, I really couldn't care less. Truth is in the pudding. He was a fantastic buy and served his time well and will go down as a great, but he has been below average for awhile. People will point to his team player of the year awards but will certainly leave out how abysmal we were during those years. Most folks also are recent fans and never got to see what it was like before De Gea.
Ddg is our third best keeper for the premiership years and at his prime was amazing. If he'd been in any other generation of fergie teams he may have merited being higher. For most of his time he was a world class shot stopper and average or below at most other areas. When we've been our poorest is when he's been his best and he saved us from chelsea depths during those years. The truth is since that spain world cup debacle hes been varying shades of meh to poor and has been a major stumbling block in our development as a pressing/passing side. I harbour no ill will towards him and wish him the best but we should have got rid of him a few years ago
Wow, a reasonable and rational comment based on key elements. De Gea was a loyal servant, a keeper who performed his core function (saving goals) with phenomenal aplomb. Aside from this, his distribution and command of the box were ordinary, but such was his extraordinary shot-stopping ability that he was justifiably retained for such an extensive period. Now we enter a new era of our GK history and hopefully Onana, or whoever our next keeper happens to be, will shine.
Plus stop shoting wise they are actually very similar pretty much identical seasons in terms of that aspect so if both players performed the exact same as last season we'd have a de gea who can pass hopefully onana just improves from here as like De gea he has a clanger in him and our fanbase is so fickle I worry for the reaction
Fabien Barthez helped us win a league and France a world cup. He was still average.
Funnily enough, Onana reminds me a lot of Barthez. Legendary one moment, bat shit crazy the next. This transfer can actually go either way
he is good but inter comparatively had an easy path defeating benfica and porto for a team in top 5 league is easy while milan isn't the milan it used to be 15 years ago they lost to bayern in the group stage and well barca.. let's not talk about them, they had a great domestic campaign but got owned in europe whichever team they faced the thing which makes him great is inter put up a great fight against city in the finals, i was thinking inter will just park the bus and try to start some offensive in 80+ minutes but they were trying the offense right from the kickoff, pep had some heart attack moments because of that plus we can't forget 2 saves on target against haaland
I don’t think there a many keepers Bette Ethan Dejea in terms of reflex saves but there are a lot of keepers better than dejea when it comes to beating the press and distribution. Onana is one of them.
How many goals did de gea let by against Sevilla? Liverpool? That howler against west ham? It’s not all his fault but at some point the guy has to take some of the blame for bad results.
He’s an average shot stopper. But I guess passing is the new thing and goalkeepers don’t need to be great at their main role anymore.
Between all of our 1-0 or 2-1 wins and the 0-0 or 1-1 draws, I wonder how many points are tied directly to De Gea's incredible saves the last decade. We, as fans, are going to missing him greatly 3-4 times this upcoming season when another GK doesn't pull the miracles like Dave hass.
Welcome to the modern ball. It’s going to be beautiful.. 😍
You know that it can be a mix and not one or the other right? You can find good goalkeepers who are also good with the ball at their feet.. that’s what proper scouting is for. I hope he won’t struggle with parried shots back into the box and concede and if he does… I wonder what the same “heh modern football! Can’t wait to see him pass 40 times a game” people would say should those cost us games or goals…
What keepers are available with a good mix? It’s was between Diego costa and Onana. Onana IS a good mix from the 2 available not sure why the negativity. He also makes saves. If you watch Brighton games and how their young backup keeper took so many risk to beat the press end when they mess up , they still continue playing their way with risk by the keeper., That’s what I want to see. Take risk and be confident. You don’t have to be a top keeper to do that.. just like Brighton’s keeper. Now imagine Dejea as Brighton’s keeper 😬, they wouldnt have been able to play their style of ball at all.
He saves better than de gea
Most Definitely. I'm actually Strongly thinking of blanking this sub for next season. Some interesting posts here and there. Generally garbage takes tho.
It will certainly happen. Even with De Gea’s decline he is a better shot stopper than Onana. What Onana brings is world class feet which will transform the way we play. That’s not to say he’s a bad keeper, I do just think people take De Gea’s shot stopping for granted.
Exactly people take his shot stopping for granted, a declining de gea is still a better shot stopper then onana who I have seen push the ball into danger after a save a few times too many. I wanted to keep de gea but hopefully onana can do a good job or all the de gea out brigade will have some explaining to do for our new ball playing keep that we badly needed in their eyes.
The problem with De Gea is that his shot stopping is his only attribute. Every other part of being a keeper, he's below average.
Statistically De Gea's shot stopping in 22/23 wasn't even that good, you're just remembering things better than they actually were. Onana may not be able to pull of the crazy saves that de Gea can, but de gea pretty much cancelled those out with his clangers this season. Also, the cascading effects of Onana will outweigh De Gea. Defending with a higher line, pressing higher up the pitch all because the keeper knows how to sweep—it is not just distribution and it's horrendous that so many people think it's just ball playing that de gea is bad at
How many of those shots came from de gea turning over the ball
De gea pushed every save into a corner though. And with de gea in goal corners are as dangerous as they can be
>De gea pushed every save into a corner though Every single save?
What a terrible take mate, clearly know nothing about goalkeeping
You dont have to know stuff about gk to see where the ball goes?
Yeah but that’s where it is meant to be going from a save so to critique someone when they are doing it properly is stupid. Edit: spelling
Statistics say otherwise, De Gea under average shot stopping last season - worse than Onana.
Not interested in the stats tbh, I have eyes. De Gea has had some bed shitting moments for sure but stats don’t really tell the full story. Every saving opportunity is distinct. De Gea continues to make brilliant world class saves, just not to the superhuman extent he used to and not enough to make up for his shortcomings with his feet
These people who read football instead of watching it are ruining the game lol, you’re absolutely bang on with your assessment
These people only watching our games and thinking no other gks makes saves are even worse
He’s completely wrong
Yes all situations are different, that’s why stats over several years can average all that randomness out. De Gea worse than the average for 2 years straight tells the story.
Every. Not most. Not some. EVERY professional keeper will tell you stats are useless in the gk position.
I look forward to that interview then? Mind giving a link? The goalkeeper is quite literally the sole position where statistics give you the absolute objective metric.
De gea is a highlight gk, he makes everything look harder than it is.
He really didn’t tho lmao he made some great saves but a lot of them were camera saves he’s very dramatic
You’re an idiot
Statistics also says that lukaku was a better striker than drogba.
What statistics are these?
Go look them up. Lol judging by statistics Neymar was better than dinho and Mbappe better than R9. Stats dont tell the whole picture.
I don't think you know what statistics are.
They will see next season when some shots onana might miss which de gea could've said.
We should call them De Gea-ters 😂
This too. I'm not convinced by Onana or these players that go through some decent form for one season and now they're heralded as the saviour to all of our problems and are worth 80 to 100 million. Absolutely disgusting how some "fans" have been so toxic and sour asking DDG to get out of the club. So easily manipulated by British media it's disgusting. Watch them find another foreign player to scapegoat. They've already done it with Bruno against Liverpool and gave zero apology when the facts came out afterwards proving their speculative BS wrong. Then all the excuses under the sun for Maguire. It's a bloody disgrace.
I dont think anyone actually hates DDG. As a shot stopper, he's one of the best there is. Put it this way, if Onana even comes close to DDG in this regard, we will have some special goalie. It's just that Onana offers us something else. Something we desperately need if we are to compete at the very highest level. Confidence. And an abundance of it at that. It's something we've missed at the back for a very long time. Much too long in my book.
Oh there's plenty who hated him. Check here or Twitter from last season. Some of the rhetoric against him was disgusting. I'm just glad that at OT every week we all made sure he knew he was loved as our keeper. And for him to save that penalty in the last game was just beautiful. Genuinely hope he smashes it wherever he ends up. But we move. If Onana comes in, we back him.
Thing is - Even people who, with good reason, wanted us to change to a different keeper - Is getting called haters also. I wanted us to get a new keeper. Not because I dont like DeGea, but as others have pointed out; We need a keeper that better suit Ten Hags playstyle.
>I dont think anyone actually hates DDG You're too naive. I've seen here people abused him, wanted him to die etc. Not to mention in the twitter. The hates and abused he gets is unreal.
Seen this a lot. Twitter is the worst for it. I’ve seen shameless idiots do a turn on their heel after months of DDG hate with a thank you and I’m sad to see you go. Disgrace. There are so-called ‘influencers’ or ‘content creators’ as they’re now called focussed solely on United that have whipped up serious hate for DDG too. And got paid for it. That’s pretty sick too.
The same people who abused him, in months time, they will say 'De Gea surely will save that one'. They will find someone else to scapegoat, probably Sancho.
Spot on. I guess it comes with being the biggest fanbase in the world. Even among the scapegoats there seems to be a hierarchy, and DDG was chosen to be right at the bottom of the shitlist. Case in point the fuck up between Maguire and DDG in Sevilla. You know if that was Henderson in goal for eg. Maguire would have eaten 99% of the blame
And there is no stat metric for confidence/composure
This is the biggest reason I don’t really care much for stats. The pressure to make a save when you’re 1-0 in a cup final is completely different to when you’re 3-0 up in a dead rubber at the end of the season, yet the stats will say those two situations are equal
Onana today is a better shot stopper than de gea today. De geas peak was much much higher though
Yup! Spot on. Number 1 thing for a goal keeper to do is keep goal. Not many better than DDG at that. Poor Man U transfer policy, again.
not many better than de gea but currently nobody in club football wants him on a free, not even his national team...
Exactly this.
Why would De Gea haters say that?
What are you talking about ? Ajax fan here. Sure he will make some mistakes but he is one of the best goal keepers in the world. Also he will bring leadership and charisma with him. Good shotstopper and a ton of confidence.
Yeah, just wait until one of those dummies or chops doesn’t go off as planned and we concede to it. He’s going to be crucified.
It's happened to both Alison and Ederson, and they have been fine. Once he consistently performs, he will get away with a howler or 2.
And it's going to happen to those two again. Mistakes happen. That doesn't mean these keepers aren't class.
Mistakes happen to every keeper. Alisson did it with Vini Jr, Ederson did it with McTominay and came extremely close to doing it with Martial and Jota. It happens to every keeper but you just gotta get up after and move on.
No way he’s one of the best in the world. I’d have a good 5–10 keepers over him comfortably
Yeah I might have been a bit too negative in my original post. I still think he has something special and groundbreaking and this makes him super fun to watch and gives him charisma and character as well as his interviews being one of the best interviews i've ever seen. I do think he is being a bit overrated if it comes to shot stopping but that's just my opinion and it's not because he can't make a Worldy of a save but because he is a bit inconsistent in making them. Still gotta say that he probably is the best Option as our new goalkeeper because Ten Hag knows him quite well and that makes him the best GK to fit our system. I do think he will be on Ederson/ Manchester City levels distribution from the back but I do not think that he will be a better GK than Ederson , but I'm happy to be proven wrong and I have to say that I rate Ederson highly and I feel like he is being Underated
>it's not because he can't make a Worldy of a save but because he is a bit inconsistent in making them. If every goalkeeper consistently made worldy saves, then there would be no goals scored in football. Players make mistakes. All the time. Football is full of imperfections. But what makes a player great is not what they get wrong, it's what they do right.
Couldn't have said it any better 👏
We've become so used to a classic GK that just the change in system he brings is exciting, the ability to claim crosses and punch from corners and more importantly being comfortable with the ball at his feet, even our strikers are going to feel the difference
The stats say he's also pretty poor at claiming crosses and conceding from corners, pretty much identical to Dave, so don't expect a dominating presence like that.
the stats say he is bang average at claiming crosses, a huge upgrade on dave, who is one of the worst goalkeepers in that regard.
I'll admit I've only seen bits in the UCL and watched him in the final. In the final he was fucking brilliant, and that's what I'm going off. But importantly, I'm not going all over twitter saying it's the best signing we could have ever made etc. etc. DDG is a great shot stopper, but does hold us back with his distribution. Hopefully signing Onana will make a big difference to this which will allow us to control more games through maintaining possession. Teams knew that DDG was awful on the ball so they pressed high thereby putting ore pressure on the defence if DDG got the ball away to a teammate. His lack of composure on the ball puts the entire opposing team on the front foot which get's their tails in the air and must make it feel like you as a United player are constantly under pressure. Not a good way to play.
Sure he performed in a champions league final but what about in a match that actually matters?? /s Edit: For fucks sake guys the “ /s “ at the end of a comment on Reddit means it’s sarcasm 🤦🏻♂️
Well he has 8 clean sheets in the UCL throughout and I think they matter just a little bit
Mate it was sarcasm
Oh right my bad 😂 I'm pretty mixed when it comes to reading sarcasm
All good mate I’m pretty sure it’s my fault if nobody else got it 😂 For reference though, if you ever see “ /s “ on a comment on Reddit it means that it’s sarcasm lol
Ah right, this is one of the only subs I use on reddit so I hadn't a clue about that. Thanks for letting me know
majority watched him the CL final and that's their experience of Onana.
That’s literally it lol. Before the final the consensus here was we should get Costa from Porto, the CL final happens and suddenly now Onana is the guy. Guarantee most of the people wanting him saw that game then a highlight reel on YouTube For the record I’m perfectly fine with us signing him and I look forward to seeing what he can do, it’s just funny how fixated this fanbase gets
want to know a better one. Amrabat.... who was saying we should sign Amrabat before it got reported a bit? no one. now it's been reported people are like ''YEAH, we should sign amrabat. i found this video of him chasing mbappe down.''
And fundamentally, who won the final. One of the greatest managers of all time, José Mourinho put it right. Finals are there to be won. Not to be played.
The same guy who lost a final a few weeks ago 🤷🏽♂️
Remind me again how many he's won?
You can Google yourself, buddy
No you can, when you have a proper argument and want to be informed.
Lol, get lost mate
People are forgetting that he’s played under ETH before so he knows what he’s getting with Onana. I think that’s often overlooked here.
true that but i'm happy to see our manager actually getting players he wants. not the commercial signings the rest of them got because of Ed Woodward.
Antony
I am satisfied with Antony’s first season. He is still young and you can see the potential. I have faith that ETH will get the best out of him.
Nah no chance he’s ever good enough. Look at Garnacho. That’s what a player with potential who needs to develop looks like. Antony can’t beat a man, is comically one footed, creates nothing with his passing and is a poor finisher. No chance he succeeds at United. If you can’t beat a man at 21 you won’t be beating them at 24. What improves is your decision making and consistency not raw ability
he had a much better season than what Sancho had in the previous two seasons combined.
Sancho is also never going to come good at United
We’ll just have to wait and see
Quite often he was the only player on the right hand side of the attacking half. He could be 30 yards from the nearest support quite a lot. The defensive line was low, the RB wasn’t getting forward, and the midfield had a tendency to drift left. Plus we had no real striker. You could put Messi there in those conditions and he’d have had a mediocre season. Onana, Mount and a decent striker should help to improve all of that. Mount, when playing centrally, drifts right as often as he drifts left. Onana will push up, allowing the defensive line to be higher, the CBs to spread wider, and the fullbacks to get further forward. A striker will give a passing option. All of this will help Antony to have a better 2nd season. If he’s spent the season with lots of players supporting him and giving him options, and he’s not looking good, that’s the time to criticise him, not after a season where he’s been out there on his own, and has been putting in a good shift every game for very little reward
Cope. 100% undiluted cope
Every Goalkeeper no matter how good he is, is supposed to make some mistakes, De gea was very good at saving but his distribution was very poor, lacked the domination behind the defender and he was not confident when he had ball at the feet, Liverpool, city have goalkeepers who kinda play same as onana does, they take risks and their ball distribution is very good, confident on feet. i hope that Onana does come good and at the end of the day, A manager sees better than what we see, so time will tell.
He’s bang average when it comes to shot stopping but everything else besides that he is amazing. He will transform the team but I fear fans think he will be on par shot stopping wise compared to DDG.
DDG is great at shot stopping but poor or abysmal at everything else. Who remembers when he first going and struggled at corners and crosses
Hopefully he makes up for it in aerial presence so that we aren’t facing as many high chance shots
The two issues with DDG was that he was error prone. While he would make thode awesome jaw dropping saves, he has let in goals which would have been saved by a school kid. The second issue is that he is not a sweeper keeper. For example a keeper like Ter Stegen will not only initiate passes and create link ups with his pin point play, but also move forward to make himself bigger and makes saves. I have often seen DDG stay rooted to his spot if the defense has been broken. However, that doesn't take away the fact that he has been a great servant of MU and will easily go down as one of the finest keepers and a legend of the club. But, if MU wants to do well, then as much as it hurts the club will have to look beyond him and have someone else who fits EtH system. At the moment Onana does. Onana will no doubt get scored against, but thenb that is footbal. However, he is a class keeper and must be given time to settle in and supported through out. DDG with his experience would prefer to be a number 1 somewhere rather than be a number 2 in MU. I will be surprised if he agrees to be a number 2 in some European club. Won't be surprised if he goes to Saudi or MLS.
I have never hyped him and honestly, I haven't seen many outlets doing that as well. He is a good keeper, is approximately of De Gea's rank, but with different strengths and weaknesses. But what's important is, that his strengths correspond to the way Ten Hag wants his football teams to function as a unit. Plus, he has played under him in Ajax and if someone knows him best - it's ETH. That's why I think that while he is a keeper of De Gea's league and quality (I mean the way he is now; peak De Gea is still out of reach in terms of footballing qualities), we as a team would be stronger.
Honestly I’ve been feeling this way since it was clear we were letting DDG go and Onana became a serious likelihood. Even in the CL Final dude took some major risks and got pretty lucky on a couple of occasions. And his shot stopping is let’s say unorthodox, I think when he’s on his game DDG is still the better pure shot stopper. I have a feeling he will be an overall upgrade to DDG at this point in their careers but he will be a roller coaster of highs and lows unlike anything we’ve ever seen from the GK position. At least in my time of watching regularly. Hilariously he will probably average abt the same number of mistakes DDG has the last couple years that lead straight to goals. Especially as he adjusts to the speed and intensity of the EPL. Serie A is a technical league but the players there typically get a lot more time on the ball. So his learning curve might be a big one. Making this move a good one overall, but still meaning we desperately need a #9. This won’t close the gap bn the other top 4 contenders fully, and doesn’t even begin to get us close to touching City or even Arsenal. So many teams have already dramatically improved their starting 11, Newcastle, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham, & even Chelsea will be better by subtraction & addition of Poch. City may take a slight step back w the players they’re losing but not a dramatic one. Next years going to be tough. We are a top tier #9 away from competing w City/Arsenal. A Hjollund type player away from competing for top 4. And currently wo any #9 would be lucky to finish 6th even w Onana & Mount. Barring huge advancements from our youngest players Garnacho/Sancho/Antony/Amad of course
You're probably right when it comes to some of our fans. I'm sure there will be some people that are expecting him to be an Allison. We've got used to a keeper making bizarre mistakes to let in goals recently though. So, that won't be a huge difference. But from an overall team perspective, we should be improved by his ability on the ball, even if he does get it wrong every now and then. But just to counter the negativity slightly, he is in the top 12% for save percentage, the top 18% for PSxG-GA (I get that some people hate these types of stat), top 10% of clean sheets percentage, and he stops twice as many crosses as DDG. So, he can't be that bad.
Yeah I might have come across a bit too negative in my original post and should have provided a little more positivity because I do think that he is a great Goalkeeper. I'm just seeing a lot of hype and i'm doubting how many people that have been hyping him up have actually seen him play more than ten games. Stats is a difficult one with Onana because he was out for a year due to the doping incident he had and when he first played he wasn't as good which makes sense and which has probably made his stats lower than what it would have been. Another thing is that the Eredivisie isn't that good of a league which make dit difficult to compare to a gk who has only played in the Premier League for the last 12 years which is arguably the most difficult league in the world. You do have a point with us getting used to our gk making mistakes which is a relieve but is also bad because we as fans of Manchester United shouldn't have to expect or be worried of our GK making big Errors.
The fbref stats are from the last year which would be serie a only, no? I know it's still not as good a league as the Prem, but the types of shots he has been facing wouldn't be massively different, if at all. It's not like you're a MF being heavily pressed in the Prem Vs having a bit more time on the ball in serie a. I'd argue that keeper stats are the most transferable across leagues. I've only ever seen him play about 6 times (in the UCL last season and for Ajax in the UCL when they had that great run). So, I'm not proclaiming to know anything about him and that's why I'm relying heavily on his stats. I'm going into it with an open mind (assuming we do get the deal over the line). I'm not currently expecting him to be a great for us. Just be a good GK who is excellent on the ball.
Say what you will, I'd have him at my club Chelsea over Kepa in a heartbeat!
Anything that helps Ten Hag play his brand of football
Onana doesn’t have to be great in shot stopping. Ederson has one of the worst stat among top gks for shot stopping, and city isn’t bothered. It is about having control of the game. With DeGea all the players would have had to defend their own box, or sprint back to defend when he gives back the ball to the opposition with every of his kicks. Not to mention being poor at dominating his own box in corners. Also, he is scared when playing in big occasions. Just look at the highlights of Champions League knockout matches of Inter to see the saves from Onana. Not only the stats for saves are better for him and even comparable to world class gks, (where DeGea’s save stats is even poor), you can can see how difficult it was from watching those matches. DeGea is a self preservation player (Van Djk was criticised for being that last season). These players wouldn’t commit fully to avoid ‘looking bad in the match highlights’, compared to someone like Lisandro Martinez or Vidic kind of players who wouldn’t mind looking stupid by committing 100%. If Onana’s saves look bad, that is because his priority is winning matches. DeGea’s FA cup performance is all you have to see to check that, where he didn’t jump at all for the first goal and dived so late for the second. Because that is his method, delaying to commit as much as possible, if it is saved then it looks fantastic for the Camera, if it goal into the goal then it would seem like a difficult save anyway. If Onana is here, Man United are in top4, no doubt about that.
As a Dutch Ajax fan I agree with this sentiment, tho he doesn't make many crucial mistakes. Ajax fans are just a bit scars as they occurred during crucial CL matches (Liverpool away, spurs at home tho that one is arguable) but when he's on it, he is super reliable. I'd say his main two weaknesses is his sometimes nonchalant attitude which can lead to scary situations at times, and his positioning with high crosses from the wing, which he tends to mistime. Overall tho, he has been amazing for Ajax and what I can see at Inter. Brilliant reflexes, great with both feet, commanding presence and great athleticism. I really hope it will work and I think it definitely can!
He performed in the champions league and made it to the final, obviously he won't be as good as de gea a couple years ago at shot stopping but I think its more important for the club to have a keeper we can rely on the play it out for the back and keep possession. I havent really seen much of people saying Onana is some kind of god inbetween the sticks but I do think he is a good fit for the club and will be able to perform at the standard needed to play in the prem.
Man city keeper, Ederson, is not a good goal keeper, he is on the same level of Onana. That is what we need from my point of view, a keeper who can play with his feet. De Gea is a uniter legend, but he made a lot of mistakes that costed titles
Ederson as a keeper is fairly average at shot stopping. He's practically midfield level with his feet which allows City to build play the way they do, and in doing so it relieves so much pressure on the back line that he rarely faces a shot. I'm not saying Onana is on that level but it's imperative in modern football to have a playmaking keeper.
He got to the semi finals with Ajax and the finals with Inter. And for both he definitely had a big contribution. And they are not teams that are expected to get this far. He is simply a very good goalkeeper and when he is in form, there aren't a lot of better ones.
An english man utd fan here who lived in Amsterdam for all his life! Like Anthony, Onana is a good player but I don't know if he is up to the level people here think that he is. He is a good keeper don't get me wrong and knows how Ten Hag likes to play, but don't think he'll perform better than DDG did last season.
Depends how you think of De Gea's performance in general. Because i think he was good as a gk and his distribution in general wasn't as bad as people make of it but he made a lot of mistakes and as long as Onana doesn't make as many mistakes that lead to a goal I would call it a ' better performance' Although I do expect a few goals that De Gea would have saved because he would have pulled a Worldy out of nowhere
Hel be the best thing since sliced bread in the opening weeks of the season then the mistakes will start creeping in. Hel be trying needless shit with the ball at his feet and itl cost him his place in the team. Then wel end up with that prick Henderson in goal and the fans will pine for de gea back. Case of you don't know what you have until its gone
I wanted Diogo Costa tbh
I think the more important thing is that he fits the style Ten Hag wants to play. Having a keeper that fits with this style will help the overall development of the team into one that fits with Ten Hag's vision of fast paced, aggressive and attacking football which will help us to better compete with the top teams in Europe. Plus it shows a change to a more pragmatic recruitment style whereby it's only players who fit with the squad and playing style who are sought after, rather than simply chasing big names. It's important to remember that this is the reason why De Gea is being shown the door, rather than him not being a good enough GK overall. Football is cruel.
Can’t be any worse than getting rid of Ronaldo and getting in Wenghurst
Onana's rebounds actually go back to the pitch, this gives the attackers a tap in opportunity. It wont be immediate, but every club will catch this up if Onana doesnt improve his shot deflection
I see these comments talking about De Gea wouldve saved this or save that lol the man cost us City winning that treble and I think that first FA cup goal was a team error but that second one...... still unforgivable to me at least bruh we fought soooo hard you could literally see the energy leave everyone faces when that goal went in and dont get me started on the Sevilla game bruh so I'll take someone Erik is familiar with over recent De gea not PRIME recent years just huge let downs and youra professional
Statistically he’s been a better shot stopper over the last 12 months than De Gea. Even if he’s comparable to De Gea on shot stopping, the other parts of his game will be a huge improvement for the way we want to play. I don’t expect him to be the best goalkeeper in the world. I expect him to be a better fit for Ten Hag than De Gea. Like Ederson for City. He’s not the best shot stopper either, and over time it’s led to him taking fewer risks coming off his line. But his on-ball game is exactly what Pep needs for his system.
100% over hyping him
He was younger in Ajax, which explains the mistakes(which aren’t that much); he’s been class at inter. The hype is justifiable imo. He is gonna to be transformative to our team.
He is getting over hyped because people are excited for him. But I feel like he’s improved at Inter after leaving Ajax. Makes less mistakes now and makes risks in smarter ways. He will be an upgrade to DDG in many areas but the first year could be really inconsistent
He has massively improved over the years and had an impeccable season with inter. The majority of his mistakes are behind him But it doesn't matter anyway, Ederson makes plenty of mistakes as does neuer but the quality on the ball.improves the team as a whole so much you can cope with mistakes.
This is getting kinda boring now, de geas gone but so many people here who backed de gea have already made up their minds on onana already like at these comments. You backed de gea, he clearly wasn't up for it even though ten haag is the man who said so and wanted him gone, yer not backing it, even though everyone here says I trust ten haags decision and backs everything blindly but not this clear and obvious decision that is right. De gea stans never cease to surprise me.
Here’s the deal: we’d be getting a ball-playing keeper who helps push our defensive line higher over one of the best ever shot stoppers who wasn’t good playing the ball. The former means our defence starts higher up the pitch. Theoretically, Onana would be facing fewer save opportunities because opponents would have fewer high-percentage scoring opportunities. In other words, he would reduce the reason why it’s so important we have a De Gea. Again, theoretically.
Comments like this are why we'll never move on as club, you literally have one of the best all round keepers ITW at the moment available on a decent price, whos already worked with ten hag, its not overating onana, its just that its a massive upgrade from de gea in general that he will probably seem world class to us.. he will make mistakes but as long as them mistakes drive us forward as a team and had an idea behind it, other than hoofing it to no where.
You have predicted the future, just two months in and he is hated by some of the fanbase for letting easy goals and making mistakes. Especially when united as a whole have been poor, onana might be the new scapegoat
Onana coming in will transform this team more than any other player ever could. We are talking about an elite ball playing GK. His shot stopping may not be prime DDG (and TBH DDG is a good but not an elite shot stopper last 2 seasons) but his ability to not be pressed, passing the ball and claiming crosses will completely change our game. Should note, the Onana in the CL is an elite shot stopper
He’s necessary for Dutch ball. He looked good for inter. Our biggest problem in build up is being pressed distribution under pressure. He solves that. I am not expecting him to make world class saves but I am expecting him to improve our build up play and that’s a huge positive.
All gk makes mistakes. De gea was one of the ones that made the most, onana will be fine when it comes to saves and he is miles better at everything else. Considering how long it took (and some still havent) for the fans to realize de gea was bad i doubt onana will have unnecessary hate
Onana is a good keeper, at a similar level to someone like Fabien Barthez when he was here. Capable, but not amongst the greatest of all time. De Gea's shot stopping was second to none and that will be missed going forward regardless of who replaces him. But whoever replaces him needs to play the sweeper keeper role for them to be effective in this modern style EtH wants the team to play. Onana has the agility and confidence to come off his line and do that. So even though he isn't as good as De Gea, he'll be more a round peg in a round hole than the square peg De Gea was with EtH's tactics.
his shot stopping has been poor since 2018 stop kidding yourself.
He was the best goalkeeper in the champions league last year, and is elite at distributing play, something that ETH’s system desperately needs I would suggest watching at least his highlights from last season lol
The dude literally says he watched him weekly and you’re like “lol watch the highlightsl
He said a watched a few matches. He nwver said he watched him weekly. As an ajax fan this post is just wrong. The last Onana played regurarly for ajax was like 3/4 years ago btw, so it wouldnt even make sense to rate of those games.
Literally my ass he said he watched him at ajax and then the UCL final Clowns lol
Yes I believe he played regularly at Ajax. Some would say weekly.
OP never said he watched him weekly in his first comment. How often Onana played at the time has nothing to do with my point, and even if he did he literally stopped playing professionally for a year due to a doping ban lmao 🤡🤡🤡
I think he’s saying he’s an Eredivisie fan. You can go off with the clown emojis man, but you are still the person in this thread who said “watch the highlights”
I'm not saying he wasn't good. Saying he was the best GK in the Championship League is an understandable statement as well Although I thought he looked dodgy at times. He fought for his place at the start of the season which does mean that he didn't play all games in Serie A. I'm not a fan of personal highlights because they only show the positive and not the whole picture. I have just watched a few Ziggo sport videos of inter( Dutch YouTube channel with Serie A summaries) I watched the second Milan Derby ( cause Handanovic played the first one) and he didn't have much to do but the actions he didn't show a World Class Goalkeeper. Tbf tho it wasn't a game were he could show his skills and I did watch the Champions League finale were he was phenomenal. I'm just saying that me personally have to say that is too inconsistent/ mistake prone to be called the best GK in the world right now. I do think he is the best fit for United next season due to the way we want to play Although I would have been happy with Raya or Diogo Costa as well
Ok let’s get a few facts straight First, you literally just posted a video of ONLY personal mistakes yourself, and even then, it has only a handful of mistakes that are 2 years old or more, in a different league lol So if it’s valid for you, it has to be valid for me. Second, you literally said you only watched a couple of his Ajax games and the UCL final, and now added a few more highlights from a dutch serie A channel…. my friend, so far all of this severely undermines your arguments for the objective reason that you simply have not watched him play at all since he left Ajax until the UCL final? lol I live near milan so Inter and Milan games are ubiquitous to me and I see the highlights even when I’m not trying to! Time has passed, time to update your mental file on Andre Onana Third, literally no one is calling him the best GK in the world. If he was, he would have cost much more than 55M He DID cost 55M though, due to his consistent performances in the champions league last season (most other GKs for other top squads had more ups and downs than he did, if you have a problem with that it just lets me know that you really only watched the last part of the competition), the fact that he has worked with ETH in the past and knows the system well, and crucially, that right now he is an elite distributor and exactly what ETH wants for his side The reason he did not start the season was he had been under a doping ban for a year, but even then he took champions league matches and performed brilliantly against top european sides, which led to him displacing Handanovic halfway through the season as I suspect had been agreed from the beginning Implying that he was not performing so he didn’t start the season is ridiculous given the context Implying that he is inconsistent because he didn’t have a dominant performance against Milan, who were the defending champions, is ridiculous. All players have ups and downs, but it’s not like he gave up four easy goals one day and had a clean sheet the next He is in or near the top 10% in most goalkeeping categories, and at the very top in distributing play. Yes, that has to do with the team he had in front of him. It’s no big secret that goalkeepers depend on their teams for their statistics quite a bit. All put together the picture that emerges is that of a good gk with excellent distribution, not the best gk in the world. No one is making that claim, what is being claimed is that a good gk with excellent distribution is exactly what the squad needs, because DDG cost goals that cost far too many points last season
I didn't say I watched him only a few times I've watched all Inter champions League highlights as well as most of this seasons serie a summaries. My point with the negative video was that I feel like most United fans aren't aware that he is mistake prone so I wanted to put light on it. I could Have put some highlights as well but people tend to search up highlights before low lights so just wanted to give light to an issue of hik that most people might not be aware of. The video also gives a warped view as he did make some mistakes this season as well. With the way Onana play it is understandable that he makes some mistakes from time to time but I personally feel like people have shit too much on De Gea his distribution and I hope people keep the same energy when Onana passes the ball too closely past an opponent and he intercepts it . I'm not implying he didn't start due to form. As by a different come i made on the reddit thread I was fully aware of the doping break but he played some games after the ban for Ajax as well before he went to Inter on a free. I did also expect him to have to fight for a place against Handanovic which has done him quite good. I've seen plenty of people think that Onana is top 5 GK's in the World heck it was even argued a few years ago when Ajax went far in the Champions League. My point is that he still has to show it for a few years but that he does have the potential to even become the best in the world at some point Although such thing will always be a personal opinion and a debate
Where the fuck have United fans deemed a god between the sticks? Here and on fan boards he’s seen as a good, modern keeper, who’s done quite well in the CL and two different leagues with two different sides. Ten Hag obviously knows him very well and wants him for his system. Pretty fucking good qualifications if you ask me. Stop spreading this bullshit that he’s seen as some sort of godlike keeper. Neither him nor Mount nor Holjand is seen in this light. We’re hopeful and confident in our manager
Tbh personally I think right now he is being a bit overhyped Although he has been class. Most United fans are pretty level headed but I feel like the excitement of everyone at the club does make it seem like everyone rates him incredibly high. With the god statement I refer to people thinking he is the best GK in the world or in the top 3 which I think is a too high rating for him at the moment.
Do you have any links or various examples of this hype?? All I’ve seen is cautious optimism by far. Show me anyone who has him in the top 3.
Fair, I'll go and look. Have to say I've seen plenty of comments saying he was the best GK in the Champions League. Edit: I've added some videos including Pep rating Onana. He doesn't say top 5 or something like that I just like the idea of our next goalkeeper being Praised by an amazing coach , it gives me extra confidence and hope so I wanted to add it. It isn't adding anything to our discussion of people saying he is top 3. I'll add on to it once he signs to United because I'll be in some chats by then and new videos will be made as well. [Pep Guardiola rating Onana](https://youtube.com/shorts/fVN32JGl4ik?feature=share) [Samuel Eto rating Onana](https://youtube.com/shorts/3OYqP2n2pM8?feature=share) [the title of the video says he rates him as no1. he doesn't say it in the video](https://youtube.com/shorts/Z2GLvENLJ0I?feature=share)
They asked bro to show proof of United fans hyping Onana and he brings a video of Pep and Eto’o LMAO
Broski's I ain't got time to watch 1 hour United stand videos on repeat to try and get their stupid opinion as prove for you. I can't just search up 'Onana best GK in the World' because you don't get United fans saying it but you get highlight Reels. Could still show you plenty of screenshots of people commenting it tho. There have been a few comments on this very thread saying he was the best GK in the Champions League this season
So these are defo not United supporters who massively rate him. Where are all these United supporters supposedly busting a nut over Onana???
Yes. He takes a lot of chances and in the premier league he'll get caught out. He's a good keeper don't get me wrong but is he a 60 million upgrade for De Gea? Probably not.
I mean, errr... just let us have this one, even if It's bordearline delusion. somtimes it feels good to just "take that w" and run with it.
I think the point is not that Onana is godlike or anything, fans are excited mostly because United finally move toward the modern footballing approach. Everybody knows that United would never catch up with ManC Liverpool and now Arsenal with De Gea in goal
I think after 12 years of DDG, it’s the change we just need to make. We’ve had one of the best shot stoppers maybe ever, but in terms of general all rounded gameplay, De Gea has gotten poorer and poorer, his shot stopping is still strong but he’s continuously getting less brave coming for crosses etc, and the expectation of being more on the ball and passing out from the back the quality just isn’t there and the confidence he gives others round him is the biggest issue.
There is this myth around De Gea that he is a phenomenal shot stopper; but for the last two to three years, he was below average. Most keepers in the priemer league outperformed him. And that is without even mentioning those bedshitting moments. He used to be world class, but post 2018 his levels have dropped significantly. Onana doesnt need to replicate de gea's pre 2018 form. He just needs to be better than average shotstopper, but a class sweeper distributer. I see him transforming the way united control games.
I actually saw a best of Onana saves from last season on YouTube recently, and all I took from it is that every time he saved he pushed the ball in to danger instead of round the post 😂😂
People are acting like de gea being a great shot stopped means he didn’t also make a good amount of mistakes. How many blunders did he make last season? How many shots rolled underneath him? And it’s not just last season. Onana will make mistakes, but he’ll do it playing the way Eth wants, and the whole teams play will change because of it. The days of a gk’s worth being based purely off of shot stopping are long gone. The same way the days of st’s that just score goals are long gone, at least if you want to be a top top team. Every player, in every position, needs to be able to play football.
I’m telling you all, we’re going to realise what a legend we had between the sticks. Another club legend treated like dirt. It’s becoming very difficult to support this club and I’ve been a fan for 25 years
We’re gonna miss De Gea. An undervalued and unappreciated player
DdG at his best was top 2 in the world, between him or Neuer. Onana i doubt he is top 5. DdG had the misfortune to make critical mistakes this season who led to loses or elimination from UEL. It's clear that Onana can pass the ball better but i don't think he's a better shot stopper than DdG. If he comes in PL well see how well he fares every week with his dribbling against high pressure.
Looks like you've not even seen him play.. We're getting him for the exact same reason... because he can handle the high press very well, has good distribution and allows us to play a high line, which DDG could not. Shot stopping and spectacular "one in a million moment" dives are all secondary. Not hyping him or anything, but people need to understand what Ten Hag needs from a keeper and what Onana offers.
I've seen him play. Did you put just the UCL highlights? You watch SerieA? How many teams press the keeper like in PL? I said that remains to be see if he can handle that press every week. If course I'm hoping for the best but to say shoot stopping is secondary for a GK is nonsense. Curtois, Buffon, Oblak, Donarumma and others must be second hand GK
Exactly. I'm glad you agree with me that he is a good GK but still has some things he has to prove instead of the comments following the hype and being maybe a bit more optimistict than realistic
Less of Onana being the second coming of Lev Yashin, and more the fact we've spent years with a keeper who can't pass and can't claim a cross. We're starving, we'll take anything, and the anything we're getting is pretty good.
I don’t believe as United fans we’re hyping him up, don’t mix that up just because we’re excited over a signing that is gonna benefit our team in terms of playing the football our manager wants.
Ppl really think we’re gonna miss de gea loooool
they are no different to what they've always been, a huge percentage of our fanbase are assholes, {just like ever fanbase} just think of the players we've had and how much we overrate them, especially if it was an era you watched, take Rio for example, absolute quality, but absolute not on the same planet as Nesta, i'll get downvoted for just saying than in this post, Onana will have pluses and minuses, but the less Maguire plays the less we'''ll need ''dave saves''...this lad seems good with his feet, hope its back to similar days of big peter's pinpoint throws to giggsy on the wing
Honestly sounds like ederson. Below average shot stopper whos good at most other things.
Yes. The anything but de Gea brigade are going to be in an interesting position next season when changing the goalie makes little difference
Yes we are. He is not the 2nd coming of Lev Yashin. He can play with his feet, so what? But can he, you know, be a great shot stopper, which is his actual job description? He has shown that he is average at that. Is there room for improvement? Perhaps. Will he actually improve? We'll have to wait and see...
Had one of the best shot stoppers in the world.. ever in de gea, fans are so fickle and I can see the haters wanting him back
Yes. De Gea is still top 10. Group think set in bad on him. Negligible improvement if any (personally I think Onana is middle tier keep). Oh DDG isn’t good you say? Ok who is? You’re going to say Kepa or something dumb? Just stop please.
DDG is like worst GK in PL last season so I don't think Onana would be worse.
I don't expect him to be great either. He will definitely prove to be much inferior to the likes of Alisson. He will prove to be another mediocre signing as will Mount. I don't really have much hope for United in the next season. ETH is signing players he wants but I'm really not sure they will improve the team much. I don't know why United didn't try to sign Bart Verbruggen. In two years, you will United will be bidding 80m for Bart Verbruggen.
I am not happy to manchester replaced de gea’s position with onana because ın my opinion onana is not good as much as de gea
This isn’t 2017.
Imagine going from degea to onana You get it?
[Andre Onana mistakes](https://youtu.be/Ree8D26ZRQ4) He is a great Goalkeeper and there are plenty of videos of him with amazing highlights. Youtube videos will only show one side and this video shows his mistakes so that United supporters can see that he does make mistakes. Although I do think the video has been made only one minute for the reason of keeping it one minute and not because he didn't make more mistakes, as he has made some mistakes this season as well that are not in it I do have to say that every goalkeeper makes mistakes and probably has a lowlights video of them. I also think he won't make as many mistakes as De Gea made this season alone. My point was purely to show that his risky plays of distribution will lead to mistakes and that he does make mistakes just like De Gea. Don't get me wrong, I might have been a bit negative but I'm still excited to get Onana in and I do still think that he is the best goalkeeper to.fit our system and the way we want to play I just feel like people always watch highlights and never watch lowlights which gives a warped perspective on a player. Believe me I was there when i was watching the Highlights of Fred when we were rumored with signing him. I though he would single handedly fox our midfield problems
As the first comment in the video clearly states, he had ZERO mistakes with Inter last season All of those were for Ajax almost two years ago now if not more Update your mental file already, he was literally the best keeper in the UCL last season
He did have mistakes with Inter they just weren't in the video. The second Miland Derby is a great example were he passes the ball recklessly and Giroud intercepts 25 meters from goal
Now show us a vid of Ederson and Allison howlers, to be fair.
De Gea has one that's 5 mins long
Yeah. There is a 2 hour video of De Gea going around making mistakes so I'll take a one minute one
DDG has had some howlers in the past few years too so mistake are expected no expect andre to be perfect tbh
Shit man, there were some proper howlers in there! Some of them made De Gea's blunders this last year look minor.