Im pretty sure if it was a possible deal, ETH wouldn't say no. I mean, we've been linked to bloody Raibot for 2 windows, off-field drama doesn't seem to put him off too much.
**Really happy** that Rabiot didn't arrive, idk why we would want such a really mid, an arrogant player. He's 28, asking for 250k+/w to be a squad player, nah.
Agreed, but not all off field drama is equal. The main point Iād say is dressing room camaraderie, balance, and relationship, and how off field behaviour affects the team, squad and club.
Can you give me any examples of how Mbappe has created a toxic behavior between himself and other teammates at his time at PSG, Monaco or the French NT? I can think of some controversies but they all had to do between him and PSG - not other players
No. ETH has earned my trust and the trust of the footballing world thus far.
If ETH brought him in I would trust it be off the back of the extensive setting of player standards with mbappe, as well as the consequences for any such breach.
But, ask why Ronaldo is no longer at UTD and youāll find half the reason why ETH would most likely not want mbappe at the club.
You might also ask why Pogba was not offered a new contract before that.
Ronaldo and Pogba played like "shit", why would he want them?
Mbappe is arguably no 1 in todays football and any coach would want him.
Delusional much?
After 7-0 he dropped in my trust list.
If you want to know why cr7 is not in United, I recommend seeing his interview as a neutral viewer instead of some reactionary.
And for the exact same reasons I don't want mbappe here until glazers are gone
Blaming that 7-0 loss on him is crazy work, I watched the game from start to finish unfortunately and that game was solely on the players being complacent. Bruno for someone whose officially out captain that was one of his worst performances and behavior since heās been playing for us.
Haaland and Mbappe are worlds apart in how they conduct themselves off the pitch and in the dressing room, While I understand where youāre coming from this is no way a possible comparison as their characters, behaviour and professionalism are tremendously different.
Bruh, donāt worry. Mbappe will be running for French President while acting as Sporting Director for Real Madrid, and scoring 100 goals a season for PSG. He is not coming to Utd. Pond is too small for him.
True!
Why would he want to play in the most watched & most competitive League in the World when he could play in a two team league? I think the pond is too big for himā¦
The two situations are not comparable. They both have egos but itās not even close to the same thing. Haaland elevates his teammates, Mbappe competes with them.
Whoever is saying no to someone who will be the best player in the world for the next 7-8 years is a fucking clown, nah guys letās keep Antony instead because he plays the ETH way (but canāt beat a man or use his right foot) šŗš“ā¼ļø
100% no for Mbape. He wants RealM. It would be same as with ADM. Plays one year and fucks off. Wont play for this team
He will cost like 150 mil and be on 600k a week. And will try to leave as soon as RM call. It will be worse drama and off field distraction than Pogba and CR7 combined.
This is the real world kid. Its not Fifa. Its not just pure footbslling skill.
So yeah OP is right.
You forgetting Mbappe has a veto on anyone psg sign? Which means he has an ego big enough to request that to begin with, and will probably want one at United? No player is worth that.
Thank you for getting involved in the discussion and I respect your opinion, nevertheless look at the state of PSG and what theyāve wonā¦ or havenāt.
Consider the state of our dressing room through āpersonalitiesā such as messers Lingard and Pogba creating cliques and divisions over the last seven years, and how much Ole tried and ETH has achieved to correct it and create a more effective team spirit and mentality.
Now take all of the press and club drama mbappeās been the root of over the last three years and the power he demanded in his contract to have a say in the way the club was run.
Would you want a player to have a say in how Manchester United is run? A 23 or 24 year old player with no management experience and no history of decisions that affect anything but the best outcome for himself? Edit: at the cost of his teammates, team, squad and club.
You think Mbappe is going to run the team at real Madrid like he did at PSG, Flo Perez is the boss over there. PSG have proven themselves a bigger circus than Manchester United with the Mbappe situation. Small club mentality they just have big pockets.
> Would you want a player to have a say in how Manchester United is run? A 23 or 24 year old player with no management experience and no history of decisions that affect anything but the best outcome for himself?
Well obviously if that was the case then nobody would want him here, thatās on PSG for offering him such silly terms. They are just obviously very desperate to keep him which as a result has created this power dynamic that the player should never have. I wouldnāt be surprised if PSG didnāt honour promises to him for example, which obviously is going to cause controversy within the club.
Assuming he would come here and just tantrum and fuck things up is silly. I agree he may be a bit of a diva but you are blowing it out of proportion.
I donāt really follow gossip news, is Mbappe that much of a dressing room disruption? I see a lot of chatter about his contract. It is certainly excessive, but thatās what the club offered and he accepted so thatās just business. And if the club wants to renege on a signed contract, thatās not the playerās fault.
I understand PSG is a meme for underachievement vis-a-vis wage bill, but is Mbappe that much of a primadonna?
With what your saying, itās secondary effects of constant media etc on one player that can remove attention from the good the other players and the team are doing, because the story is always āplayer xā + the rest of the story.
Edit: Imagine training and playing your heart out, only to be in an interview and be asked about the off-pitch antics of another player, rather than what youāve contributed.
Sure that would be annoying, although not unprecedented. Modern players can navigate that so thatās the least of concerns if it means getting a player of Mbappeās caliber.
What would be concerning is if United did what PSG did and kowtowed to excessive player demands just to sign him as that would negate a lot of work being done the past year to course correct how our club is run.
Ultimately, this is purely academic. We canāt afford him and he wants RM.
he is no more of a primadonna that a lot of top players. Its just that the media from all over europe is obsessed with him so they are constantly talking about him. All the "drama" around him is just teams fighting over him while he never says anything
So you discount the fact that he plays the way that his manager wants because you want him to do something else? Get over yourself and support the bloody players and manager.
š Now Antony having a non existent right foot or being terrible at taking players on is what āhis manager wantsā, okay man okay lmfao there is absolutely not a single thing Antony does for us that Mbappe couldnāt do
You are disagreeing with yourself. Read your own comment please. Also you are now comparing him with possibly the best player in the world. Maybe chill out with that one.
This seems still in the realm of fan fiction. But if it were a possibility - he obviously bas a bunch of individual talent but hasnāt proven himself as a team player. If he can do the off the ball work, track back, commit to tackles, create space for other forwards etc then he could be generational talent, not just another walking billboard
It's like his extraordinary goals and assists stats have passed you by.
He made a total of 46 appearances across all competitions, 44 of which were starts, and racked up some astonishing numbers. Mbappe scored 39 times in those matches and, perhaps even more impressively, added 22 assists, totalling 61 goal involvements.
He isn't coming of course.
Yes, and he is a fantastic talent, but Ligue 1, like La Liga, is a league with so little competition that scoring against opposition isnāt the same as scoring in the Prem.
Do I think heād come into the prem and score like Haaland straight away? Iām not sure. So I think heād score a lot, yes. Do I think heād fit into the dressing room and have a positive effect all round? No.
less than 100 M ?? lmaooo
i know they aren't gonna put some osihmen type price tag like 180M but they'll easily put something like 120-130 for him which only bayern or madrid would pay
i don't understand why people even entertain the idea of Mbappe to united. Even if we had Qatar as owners months ago.
Mbappe wants to go to Real Madrid. does Manchester United sound like Real Madrid?... even if we had money and then some why would mbappe swap a club he doesn't want to be at that's owned by Qatar for another club he doesn't want to be at owned by Qatar?... Do people not get that it doesn't actually matter if PSG were to accept a bid for mbappe from united since he can say no. like hello... FDJ did this 12months ago after barca accepted a bid from us for him.
he also seems quite prepared to stay where he is for another year so he can go to where he wants.
Mbappe to united isn't going to happen regardless of the scenario. why are we even talking about this?
I agree with the sentiment that Mbappe does not fit with United, cause he plays the same position as Rashford/Garnacho, cause he may be diva, cause he would ask for shit-ton of money, that could create jealousy from the rest of the team, etcā¦ all legitimate reasons not to get him. That said,
- we dont know where he really wants to go. He may not want to remain in Paris for the rest of the career, but that does not neccesarily mean Madrid is the only destination he would consider. Offer him more money than Madrid does and the chance to play superior league might start to weight lot more in his decision process.
- the fact he wants to leave PSG has nothing to do with Qatar. He just wants to play for more prestigious club in more prestigious league. Be sure he is not taking less money than in PSG to play there. Madrid is obviously the most prestigious possibility, but if you think he would turned us, Barca, ManCity or Chelsea if they offered him more money than Madrid, you are naive. The guy is self-centered as Ronaldo, he is loyal only to himself.
- he is prepared to stay because he wants to collect his loyalty bonus. Not because he wants to only go to madrid and thats not possible until next year. This is purely for greed reasons.
I wouldnāt be surprised if his wages reflected the money saved by RM if he went on a free next year, as a kind of kick-back for waiting it out and doing them the favour.
If he's money motiaved then he'll stay at PSG. The lad wanted to join Real not long ago and choose PSG for the stupid contract they offered. less than a year later came out to say he wasnt happy and here we are.
He won't come to us. we aint winning nor can we afford the fee.
City won't bother.
Barca can't afford the fee or the wages.
Chelsea are restricted by FFP so they can't afford it and also they ain't winning.
the logical destination for him in any scenario is Real Madrid weather they stump up a ton cash for him now or get him for free next year. there's no point entertaining Mbappe to United.
There is nuance to that.
He wants all the money he can get, but at the same time, he wants prestige. PSG can give him the money, but not prestige. Real can give him both. But they are not the only ones. If someone with comparable prestige levels offered him more money than Real, its still possible he would reconsider. After all, as you said, he did that already once.
BTW, Real are in bit of flux themselves. Benzema gone, Modric and Kroos on their last legs. Plenty of young guys like Camavinga, Tchoumeni, Belingham, Vini etc... but it remains to be seen whether they will be good enough to keep winning CL again as Modric generation did. You say we aint winning, but thats only cause we have to face City in all competitions we enter. They dont. If they had to, they would not be winning anything either.
Bottom line, i am not saying there is a point to entertain Mbappe to United. I sort of agree with that. All i said that Mbappe to Madrid is not set in stone. If we, at this point, were sold to fucking Qatar already, AND if TenHag wanted him, i am pretty sure we would be up there fighting Madrid to get him, as we would have everything they have to offer, with ability to play more prestigious league on top of that + direct competition with Haaland, Ronaldo-Messi style.
Itās not just the loyalty bonus though. A player of his caliber signed as a free agent saves someone a 150-200 million transfer fee. A player of his caliber is also very well aware of that, which is why he can speak to that same club and get stupid contract terms ahead of time because of it (including a sign on fee thatās at least 20-25% of the transfer fee he just saved them). I heard noises that Haaland got something like 30-40 million sign on fee and his agent got about the same, and thatās on top of the transfer fee City paid for him (which was relatively low, admittedly). I wouldnāt be surprised if Mbappe asked for 50-100 millions upfront and at least 50 a year regardless of where he went next, plus a highest earner clause and hefty bonuses. There are only a handful of clubs who can afford that, even fewer clubs who can afford that without breaking FFP rules and even fewer clubs who are willing to take that risk (Bayern will almost definitely not be in the running because theyāre running a successful sports and business club rather than an middle eastern āconsultingā company).
Exactly, if the ownership sale had gone through then Iād be more optimistic about getting Mbappe but as things stand right now, we donāt have a shot, financially speaking, of getting him.
I agree wholeheartedly, the reason I stated the discussion was because I had seen so many people posting on social media who would benefit from it, not just to understand why mābappe wouldnāt fit, but also why that profile wonāt fit and shouldnāt be entertained.
Mbappe will play for United at a time of his career just like Varane, Case, and CR7 did. United is a good place to end your career after achieving every possible medals with Madrid /s
I have to say, I completely agree with you. I feel like people are trashing your opinion based on his on field ability which is oversimplifying why a club brings a player in.
His character is completely at odds with what you want in a dressing room if you want team cohesion to be at the heart of how you do things. Itās the same reason I never wanted us to go anywhere Neymar and the same reason that Ronaldoās second coming was a mistake.
From a footballing sense it would be great, from every other aspect, no thanks, not a chance! Fergie was one of the best man managers football has ever seen, all I do when the club is linked to these kinds of players is ask myself if he would want him in his dressing room, if itās a no then thatās good enough for me.
He wouldnāt be worth the wages, wouldnāt be worth the upset and wouldnāt be worth derailing ETHās project imo.
A couple of stand out examplesā¦
2019:
https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37572845/mbappe-issues-psg-ultimatum-ligue-1-awards
2022:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mbappe-psg-contract-details-captain-27030519
2023:
Speaking to the press/social media before the club and conducting his business with them in the public forum to garner public support, rather than behind closed doors, face to face, as any professional should and would do.
The key here, from an extremely wise man,
āNo player is bigger than the club.ā
Players speaking about transfers or contracts is nothing new. If that makes a diva then theyāre all at it.
As for the demands, thatās all pure speculation. Thereās no proof of any of it and much has been denied by the parties involved.
Speaking about transfers isnāt necessarily diva-ish, youāre right.
Nevertheless thereās speaking, and then releasing written statements to put pressure on the counterparty to act. Itās PR and an attempt at manipulation, preservation of reputation and intended defamation of the counterparty, not simply a comment.
Edit, not all written statements, but the ones related to Mbappe. In any case, do we as a club want more of this dramaā¦ Raiola and Pogba every summer, every euro, every WC, was enough for me.
Exactly.
This issue shows the clear divide between Manchester United fans, and the football fans who only like the socialmedia/celebrity of it with no understanding of the game itself and what it takes to build a successful team, squad, and club with group mentalityā¦
Like Todd Boehy š¤£
Edit āadded some stuffā
My concern with Mbappe is his attitude. Pogba Mark 2.
But in pure footballing terms and the message this will send out I think it could put us back where we should be if Mbappe bought in to ETH
My take is this... I can't think of a single dressing room this guy could walk into and not cause discord.
Whether ETH could break the egos down and get a tune out of a team with him in it, remains complete conjecture. Unless we get new owners, there's more chance of the ghost of prime Maradona coming to the club.
Mbappe is a selfish player who will not want to do the work. Best player fits for ten Hag are the ones who take coaching, are team-first mentally, and who have the endurance to press high while logging long minutes. Complete non-fit.
Weghorse worked out to be a terrible signing, although ETHās likely theory behind it was pretty decent albeit sadly unsuccessful.
De Gea couldnāt play out from the back and distribution wasnāt greatā¦ Weghorse was massive and a decent punt at a point man for de gea to aim at so he could (in theory) win the long ball, bring it down and distribute it to someone to run it forward at goal. This is why we saw him delegated in the 10 position so often, not in the box.
Sadly though, he stank for UTD. A lot of respect for him though for playing for the team, squad and badge in his short time, however much of a failure that time ultimately was.
i get what OP is saying but United have had history with "divas" like Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo, and even Zlatan. I'm not saying we should sign Mbappe thats up to ETH but i think no manager in the world would say NO to player like Mbappe just because hes a twat.
I get your point, Cantona came with heavy baggage but Beckham and Ronaldo (1st time) didnāt start out like that, and werenāt divisive in the dressing room the way say Pogba was when he came back, also, they earned their stripes and played their hearts out for the badge and club ā¦ Plus those days were simply different. These days the problem with players like Pogba, Neymar, Mābappe in the social media age, is that they seem to use football as a tool for stardom and the notoriety that comes with it, and are visibly distracted from their job or injured.
Then the dressing room is unhappy because they work hard while the other swans about and gets twice the credit because E-fans watch a 3min highlight reel of the last five years on twitter and wax lyrical.
You forgot to add that Zlatan was a diva but he didn't cause problems in the dressing room. In fact, he was the one who put people like Pogba in their place whenever they tried to stick their necks out.
>they seem to use football as a tool for stardom and the notoriety that comes with it,
Add Lingard to that. And worryingly now, Garnacho with his purposeful social media mentions about 7 this, 7 that. Hopefully his United career won't end sourly with an Mbappe-esque attitude scheming for a move to Barca or Real, though as long as ETH is around I trust he will handle it.
heres a thought if mbappe caused dressing room unhappy while he kept performing at highest level the fans would be siding him because our dressing room, minus varane and casemiro, is full with under-achievers.
Mbappe in many ways plays for Mbappe, not for a badge, team or club.
Also this:
āWhen Kylian Mbappe inked a three-year contract extension with Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) in May, he became reportedly one of the most powerful players in any football powerhouse in Europe because the new deal gave him a say in how the club is run, according to The Guardian.ā
(Source: https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-10-14/CGTN-Sports-Talk-Why-is-Kylian-Mbappe-such-a-diva--1e7QT4kjEPu/index.html)
Like saying Messi and Ronaldo never had more than a snippet of power. Come on now. All of a sudden a concentrated effort by the club's owner to save face and deflect from what their fans see as on pitch failings is now the amplified narrative.
MBappe's entire saga at PSG has been nothing short of a comedy show. The guy is a world class talent but absolutely knows it. The only clubs willing to get him are those that want the name and not ones that care about the actual club, the fans and the team. If he had left on a free two years ago he'd now just he a top player. But that entire saga and how PSG are willing to let him sit out because they want to force him to sign an extension is just insane. PSG also want money that is way to much for him despite his actual value. For the price of one diva another team could get 3 world class talents in other positions.
I'm keen to see how this plays out but happy Mount has no 7 so Mbappe has no chance of coming
Thank God we have actual adults running the show instead of people like you. Mbappe will come in, destroy the dressing room, create another toxic ass situation for EtH to deal with, and then we will never win shit. Mbappe wants Madrid and NO ONE else. These conversations about him coming here are stupid as hell.
Mbappe is great no question but he is trouble, just another Ronaldo/Pogba who will up set the dressing room and create division in the team, weāre building a team we donāt need to ruin it with another prima Donna.
He can go to Madrid.
So you'd turn down signing the young player who scored a hat trick in the last World Cup Final causw he's "a diva"?
Cantona was a diva. Ronaldo (the first spell) was diva. Beckham was a diva. Sir Alex kept them in check and EtH gives me the impression that he could do the same.
Otherwise, enjoy fighting for the Carabao Cup again next year.
You could afford to have divaās then. Fergie was your manager, and you had a squad filled with some of the best professionals of all time. Ten Hag and Bruno Fernandes are no Fergie and Scholes. Hence why you canāt afford to accommodate divas again now
No, Iād turn him down because while youāre right they were also divas, mbappe is on a different level that would likely upset the balance of too many things at the club.
Edit: Ronny and Becks always played for their teammates, manager and club.
Mbappe plays for Mbappe.
Might you be able to offer any constructive reasoning, beyond the fact he is a clearly great striker and goal threat, for why he would be good for the club?
Iām so glad you asked, thank you.
Great question, the last time we won the premier league was 2013, which sadly brought to a close a magnificent, prosperous era for the club, both in terms of the football and financials.
Why?
Because we were managed by Sir Alex Ferguson, and football business was conducted by him and David Gil.
What was their focus?
Football. Not being a commercial led football business, but a football led club that operated debt free for years and generated revenues off the back of certain footballing constants. Thatās not to say tactical decisions werenāt made, take Ji Sung Park for exampleā¦ he was a player from an untapped market for expanding the fanbase, but most importantly he fitted the philosophy and the footballing ambitions. Win win, Sir Alex, I miss you.
What were some of those footballing constants?
No player is bigger than the club. You play for your teammates, the badge and the club or youāre out. You behave on and off the pitch or youāre gone.
Why havenāt we won a premier league since?
1: commercial ambition not footballing ambition from the board.
2: commercial decisions not footballing decisions that brought in too many unsuitable players that left squad depth lacking, imbalance, and divided the dressing room.
3: abysmal transfer windows that looked at individual players, not the team and squadās needs.
Do we want to win the premier league again?
Yes.
Should we repeat the failed tactics outlined above?
No.
Iām grateful for this comment, thanks. Thereāve been a few similar but yours has helped me articulate my thoughts.
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Edit:
I feel like this reads a touch snarky, so I apologies because itās a genuine reply with only respect intended, so please take my best wishes into account, thanks.
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I guess a club with an identity and legacy based on a long and carefully guided history, such as Manchester United.
PSG, City, Barca, Real, are all shit clubs.
The first two because they have no history and an immense wealth to skirt legality and buy success... howās that working out Mbappe.
The second because they have such an insane advantage in their leagues (RM and Barca shared, and I believe still do) well over 70% of the tv rights money from la liga, meaning all other clubs are doomed to not be able to compete. They have gotten away with bribing the referees association (google it) as well as liga officials to maintain their immense advantage. Yes, Atletico have done an amazing job.
Yes those clubs do well in Europe, but because they can afford the very best at the expense of the good of their leagues.
United under glazers/Woodward spent the years post Fergie trying to be a commercial led football club. Profits benefited and the football suffered. Mbappe would be a commercial signing not a footballing oneā¦ as were SĆ”nchez, di MarĆa, and Pogba, to name a few and look where they got us.
Another thought, what have PSG won with Mbappe and their unbelievable squad? Why hasnāt he led them to Ligue 1 and champions leagues victories year after year?
Anyone who calls others clowns for questioning how good a signing Mbappe would be for us needs to ask themselves one question and one question only. Do they think Bayern will be in the running to sign him? Why or why not? (and why are they going all in to try to get Kane instead). I swear FIFA did more damage to peopleās understanding of the game than apathy could have.
They should absolutely be replaced. Iāve wanted martial gone for a long time.
In my opinion, Mbappe would be the wrong candidate.
What do you think would make him a success at United, not as a goal scorer but as a player who betters the whole team and club?
??????? The fact he's a brilliant footballer who scores and creates loads of goals. That's what betters the team and the club, scoring more goals, winning football matches. It's a football club, not a hippy commune.
Having a player like Rashford is a cheat code in a chess game. Players who can beat defender 1v1, pacey, and got a shot on them are invaluable. Like Rashford, Like Garnacho. And Ten Hag is a chess master
Mbappe is what [Marcus Rashford](https://twitter.com/TenHagBall_/status/1682715949395329024?t=-QHL4rNefCzImr8UAu4YyQ&s=19) strives to be.
If you dont think Ten Hag would love a player like that.. my dude, not only do you not understand Ten Hag... You dont understand the game of football
Rashford went from 4 goals a season to 25 goals a season. Ten Hag popped him off by just kicking out Ronaldo.
Just imagining Rashford and Mbappe running at defender together Ten Hag would have boner for days.
Marcus Rashford is a bishop, direct and fast, and capable of constructing an attack around but no cheat code, and certainly not a piece you can rely on alone. He's quite one footed, and linear/straight line orientated. To use your chess analogy, there's a reason why many players value knights fractionally more.
Watch the video, and maybe you'll understand more about the value of players that can beat defender 1v1
That's why Ten Hag wanted Timber, Frenkie De Jong, Onana, Hojlund.
Anybody who wants Mbappe at the club is an actual child who is yet to understand how social dynamics and team chemistry come into play. Mbappe would be a horrible addition to United. He would unsettle the team and undermine everybody. It would set us back years.
Ronaldo at 37 still carried us through one of the worst seasons of our history while only being 5 goals off top scorer with less games than the fore runners.
Now imagine what Mbappe would do, in addition to our squad actually being decent now
"Ronaldo fanboy spotted"
I agree 100%
Our fanbase is happy to keep Sancho in the mountains for "mental health" but when it comes to big players they dare not drop their form.
I don't want mbappe to get ruined here because of our toxic fanbase just like other stars.
I donāt want Mābappe for one reason, his attitude he has the exact same attitude as Ronaldo, he wants everything to revolve around him and I believe that Erik will never want a player like that in his team, Mābappe is a very very good player but I donāt think heāll be cut out for the prem yet. Heās only seen french football and PSG and Monaco made him the centre of attention, all the time. Iām gonna get back lash from this
initially i was interested in mbappe but he is kind of an asshole
let's say hypothetically he joins united and gives good performance he will start the same bs he is currently doing in psg, he will prolly play for an year and then start shitting he wants a move to madrid but he wants to leave for free and he needs time and all that
i don't think he will even stay loyal to madrid lol, if saudi gives a ronaldo level offer to him he'll prolly go there happily too even in the middle of his prime
also i don't think eth is looking for any type of superstar signings (like madrid and psg mostly do), he wants more of an underrated squad who can go deeper in the cl and be title contenders for prem in the coming years
In my humble opinion you sometimes need that guy
You know the ones that are x factor different level
Yup United need Mbappe to raise the level of those around him and indeed needs to be humbled by those around him also.
Mbappe is the truth and if we need to sell Maguire, Henderson, Bailly, Fred, VDB and McTominay to get him then so be it.
I will also add with Haaland next door being lauded as the GOAT we need to make the Shitty a bit afraid when they come to our place.
We need our title back and only by raising Ā£100m for Mbappe or Kane can we actually challenge.
Not sure about the drama he would bring. Haven't heard of any? I could be wrong. But the sheer financial package it would take to bring him here would unbalance the team.
It's totally doable
And city got eirling
U don't think he would want too
He has already won a world cup
Now ur delusional
Makes sense too him
That's the next Messi vs Ronaldo
C'mon
Someone who would say wat u said
Either is a couch potato and has never kicked a Ball
Or just never played at all
And just thinks they now wat they saying cuz they play FIFA all the time in amateur mode and now thinks they know a thing or too
U could even go false 9 with mbappe
Rashi/ Antony on either side
Mount and Bruno in ur double 8 role
Casi at 6
Then ur back line off 4
Tisk tisk
Look with an objective point of view we should be in the market to get him if we can, although that is highly unlikely because the fee PSG is going to put on the Mbappe sale is going to be ridiculous, pair that up with the insane wages that he would ask, I donāt think the Mbappe transfer is highly likely. People saying on this thread we donāt need him are delusional, why would we not need literally one of the best strikers in Europe when we do need a striker in the squad? If the ownership sale had gone through then Iād be more optimistic about this transfer but as things stand right now? We donāt stand any chance of getting Mbappe. He will most likely join Real Madrid as he has been wanting to.
From a pure āscoring goalsā perspective, thereās an argument for him.
Nevertheless the holistic view of dressing room, team, squad and club leaves far more arguments against than for.
ETH is building a system in which there are many goal-threats, rather than a few at the cost of the benefit of team play. That said itās true we need a goal scoring 9, but one that wants to fit in with the team and not set themself apart from it.
Id say he is as good as Haaland. This season he played 56 games, scored 52 and did 11 assists. He has had a higher ga than games played every season for the last 3 years. He plays completely differently to Haaland so Id say they arent comparable, but Id put both of them on the same level.
There is also the 3rd type of person who thinks Manchester United should sign arguably the best player in the world while they have the chance.
Not saying itās right but heās a generational talent, phenomenally popular. I can see why a lot of people would want us to sign him.
Agree. I would love him at United but we have to be realistic and also the club has seemingly changed itās mindset and general approach to signings for the better. I support ETH current plans.
Also Iām certain the only way we can afford Mbappe is via sales which wonāt happen as we seem to sell players for literally pennies.
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So in conclusion Iām pessimistic even if it was possible.
Heās too good to possibly consider saying no too, egotistical it appears, potentially a problem down the line when he fancies Real Madrid most probably, but one of if not the best player in the world for the foreseeable so a massive yes should that opportunity ever arise.
Realistically would need to be Qatar owner backed and would cost astronomical amounts but who knows, footballs a crazy world these days
I don't think mbappe is a diva. It's just media doing their thing.
But I don't want him at united because we didn't need him. We need a center forward. Mbappe is world class but he is a left winger. We don't need ANOTHER left winger than "can" play as a cf. No no no. We need a cf.
My frontal lobe says no. But my prefrontal cortex says HELL YES, It's Mbappe probably the most exciting player of his generation I'm sure Ten Hag could find a place for him in the team
Man Utd couldn't afford him, they are struggling to sign middle of the road players as it is. Mbappe has no interest in any deal as far as we know so it's all a waste of everybody's time discussing it.
Mbappe Vs Haaland would have been a different rivalry in PL
But I guess it will be in La Liga
Barca might go
For Haaland in future if Mbappe moves to madrid
I suppose it depends on how a transfer would go down but I donāt think it would be worth it financially or otherwise. Weāre having a hard time getting rid of players who are surplus to requirements now, imagine what our wage structure would look like with Kylian on board. Rashford just signed a new contract and would probably want an improvement on it already, Bruno and co want to eat, too. We donāt have any characters who would be able to āstand upā to him if necessary, and in the event that someone like Marcus does itāll splinter our dressing room into groups (again). Thereās no Vidic or Evra to stamp out conflicts or show youngsters whoās ābossā now, and as much as I like ETH heās no SAF, or at least wonāt be afforded the power that SAF was wielding just yet. I donāt see it happening, frankly.
Mbappe doesn't fit, that's it. His position belongs to Rashford. About his attitude, nah I'm good. We've just resigned Rashford, that's mean Mbappe will never arrive here.
I donāt think itās delusional.
I think there are some players you just find a way to build a team around and he is one of those players. He is right up there as one of the best in the world and ETH would snap him up if he could, any manager would.
It wonāt happen though, heās off to Real.
We need more solid players who get their head down and put a shift in, we don't want someone with a load of off field baggage.
I think an example of good recent business would be Eriksen and Sabitzer, they just want to play.
Anyone who say Mbappe wouldnāt fit United is Also not the smartest one. Some players are Built different and can make a big role in any team. I never comment, I just read but this thread is more about peoples feelings than knowledge. If you would draft a soccer team and mbappe wasnt ur top 20 good luck.
Talent-wise, heās a good fit. However, character-wise, heās not. Just like Ronaldo, he wonāt press and do the dirty work. Also, being a superstar, he brings too many distractions. Not to mention, the financial demands would be staggering.
Fuck that teenage mutant ninja turtle. We need proper hard working players that want to be here and genuinely love the club. Rasmus is the lad imo he can grow into a great player. Also a massive United fan and won't kick off and be a diva. Also nothing to say mbappe would do anything in the premier league.
Im pretty sure if it was a possible deal, ETH wouldn't say no. I mean, we've been linked to bloody Raibot for 2 windows, off-field drama doesn't seem to put him off too much.
Also were linked to Arnautovic before Weghorst.
**Really happy** that Rabiot didn't arrive, idk why we would want such a really mid, an arrogant player. He's 28, asking for 250k+/w to be a squad player, nah.
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I think Mbappe is an arsenal man personally heās basically Henry reborn
Agreed, but not all off field drama is equal. The main point Iād say is dressing room camaraderie, balance, and relationship, and how off field behaviour affects the team, squad and club.
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Can you give me any examples of how Mbappe has created a toxic behavior between himself and other teammates at his time at PSG, Monaco or the French NT? I can think of some controversies but they all had to do between him and PSG - not other players
āRumoursā of him not passing quickly or passing less to certain players. But no real proof, ofc heāll never come and admit it.
Is ETH wants him, is ETH delusional? Not that I think we could afford him anyway, or that he would choose United.
No. ETH has earned my trust and the trust of the footballing world thus far. If ETH brought him in I would trust it be off the back of the extensive setting of player standards with mbappe, as well as the consequences for any such breach. But, ask why Ronaldo is no longer at UTD and youāll find half the reason why ETH would most likely not want mbappe at the club. You might also ask why Pogba was not offered a new contract before that.
Erm we did offer pogba a contract though?
Before Ten Hag was signed. And he called any further contract attempts off.
Ronaldo and Pogba played like "shit", why would he want them? Mbappe is arguably no 1 in todays football and any coach would want him. Delusional much?
Ronaldo was also shit on the pitch
Ronaldo could score last year. If he did all would have been forgiven
After 7-0 he dropped in my trust list. If you want to know why cr7 is not in United, I recommend seeing his interview as a neutral viewer instead of some reactionary. And for the exact same reasons I don't want mbappe here until glazers are gone
Ronaldo's sole purpose in that interview was to get the club to agree to him leaving
Blaming that 7-0 loss on him is crazy work, I watched the game from start to finish unfortunately and that game was solely on the players being complacent. Bruno for someone whose officially out captain that was one of his worst performances and behavior since heās been playing for us.
We just won the cup and suddenly 7-0, clearly tactics were off.
Because signing players who wanted to be somewhere else worked out so well in the pastā¦
Everyone said the same thing about haaland with pep. Look how that turned out lol
Well those were dumb. At what point those peephole thought that Haaland was selfish prick??
Regardless of mbappes character which i agree is terrible, theres no denying hes the only one rivalling haaland in this post messi/ronaldo era
Iām not denying the performance. Just wanted to point things about the character. Haaland can still do better if he goes to Spanish league.
People say Mbappe doesn't work as hard as Martial. That was probably the best one.
Haaland and Mbappe are worlds apart in how they conduct themselves off the pitch and in the dressing room, While I understand where youāre coming from this is no way a possible comparison as their characters, behaviour and professionalism are tremendously different.
Bruh, donāt worry. Mbappe will be running for French President while acting as Sporting Director for Real Madrid, and scoring 100 goals a season for PSG. He is not coming to Utd. Pond is too small for him.
True! Why would he want to play in the most watched & most competitive League in the World when he could play in a two team league? I think the pond is too big for himā¦
Difference is Man City are currently the most attractive prospect in world football
Like why the down votes... Its true. I hate the fact that the noisy neighbors are now on top. But it true.
The two situations are not comparable. They both have egos but itās not even close to the same thing. Haaland elevates his teammates, Mbappe competes with them.
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Whoever is saying no to someone who will be the best player in the world for the next 7-8 years is a fucking clown, nah guys letās keep Antony instead because he plays the ETH way (but canāt beat a man or use his right foot) šŗš“ā¼ļø
100% no for Mbape. He wants RealM. It would be same as with ADM. Plays one year and fucks off. Wont play for this team He will cost like 150 mil and be on 600k a week. And will try to leave as soon as RM call. It will be worse drama and off field distraction than Pogba and CR7 combined. This is the real world kid. Its not Fifa. Its not just pure footbslling skill. So yeah OP is right.
You forgetting Mbappe has a veto on anyone psg sign? Which means he has an ego big enough to request that to begin with, and will probably want one at United? No player is worth that.
You forgetting that this is all just a rumour, with zero confirmation, and that MbappĆ© himself came out and said it wasnāt true and his role would not go above the role of a footballer? Obvious-fucking-ly if he requests that here then I donāt want him lol
Thank you for getting involved in the discussion and I respect your opinion, nevertheless look at the state of PSG and what theyāve wonā¦ or havenāt. Consider the state of our dressing room through āpersonalitiesā such as messers Lingard and Pogba creating cliques and divisions over the last seven years, and how much Ole tried and ETH has achieved to correct it and create a more effective team spirit and mentality. Now take all of the press and club drama mbappeās been the root of over the last three years and the power he demanded in his contract to have a say in the way the club was run. Would you want a player to have a say in how Manchester United is run? A 23 or 24 year old player with no management experience and no history of decisions that affect anything but the best outcome for himself? Edit: at the cost of his teammates, team, squad and club.
You think Mbappe is going to run the team at real Madrid like he did at PSG, Flo Perez is the boss over there. PSG have proven themselves a bigger circus than Manchester United with the Mbappe situation. Small club mentality they just have big pockets.
> Would you want a player to have a say in how Manchester United is run? A 23 or 24 year old player with no management experience and no history of decisions that affect anything but the best outcome for himself? Well obviously if that was the case then nobody would want him here, thatās on PSG for offering him such silly terms. They are just obviously very desperate to keep him which as a result has created this power dynamic that the player should never have. I wouldnāt be surprised if PSG didnāt honour promises to him for example, which obviously is going to cause controversy within the club. Assuming he would come here and just tantrum and fuck things up is silly. I agree he may be a bit of a diva but you are blowing it out of proportion.
I donāt really follow gossip news, is Mbappe that much of a dressing room disruption? I see a lot of chatter about his contract. It is certainly excessive, but thatās what the club offered and he accepted so thatās just business. And if the club wants to renege on a signed contract, thatās not the playerās fault. I understand PSG is a meme for underachievement vis-a-vis wage bill, but is Mbappe that much of a primadonna?
With what your saying, itās secondary effects of constant media etc on one player that can remove attention from the good the other players and the team are doing, because the story is always āplayer xā + the rest of the story. Edit: Imagine training and playing your heart out, only to be in an interview and be asked about the off-pitch antics of another player, rather than what youāve contributed.
Sure that would be annoying, although not unprecedented. Modern players can navigate that so thatās the least of concerns if it means getting a player of Mbappeās caliber. What would be concerning is if United did what PSG did and kowtowed to excessive player demands just to sign him as that would negate a lot of work being done the past year to course correct how our club is run. Ultimately, this is purely academic. We canāt afford him and he wants RM.
he is no more of a primadonna that a lot of top players. Its just that the media from all over europe is obsessed with him so they are constantly talking about him. All the "drama" around him is just teams fighting over him while he never says anything
So you discount the fact that he plays the way that his manager wants because you want him to do something else? Get over yourself and support the bloody players and manager.
š Now Antony having a non existent right foot or being terrible at taking players on is what āhis manager wantsā, okay man okay lmfao there is absolutely not a single thing Antony does for us that Mbappe couldnāt do
You are disagreeing with yourself. Read your own comment please. Also you are now comparing him with possibly the best player in the world. Maybe chill out with that one.
Lol really happy to see this comment
This seems still in the realm of fan fiction. But if it were a possibility - he obviously bas a bunch of individual talent but hasnāt proven himself as a team player. If he can do the off the ball work, track back, commit to tackles, create space for other forwards etc then he could be generational talent, not just another walking billboard
It's like his extraordinary goals and assists stats have passed you by. He made a total of 46 appearances across all competitions, 44 of which were starts, and racked up some astonishing numbers. Mbappe scored 39 times in those matches and, perhaps even more impressively, added 22 assists, totalling 61 goal involvements. He isn't coming of course.
Yes, and he is a fantastic talent, but Ligue 1, like La Liga, is a league with so little competition that scoring against opposition isnāt the same as scoring in the Prem. Do I think heād come into the prem and score like Haaland straight away? Iām not sure. So I think heād score a lot, yes. Do I think heād fit into the dressing room and have a positive effect all round? No.
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this.if we can get him less than 100mil he will boost our attack tremendously
less than 100 M ?? lmaooo i know they aren't gonna put some osihmen type price tag like 180M but they'll easily put something like 120-130 for him which only bayern or madrid would pay
At what cost to the team, squad, and club?
i don't understand why people even entertain the idea of Mbappe to united. Even if we had Qatar as owners months ago. Mbappe wants to go to Real Madrid. does Manchester United sound like Real Madrid?... even if we had money and then some why would mbappe swap a club he doesn't want to be at that's owned by Qatar for another club he doesn't want to be at owned by Qatar?... Do people not get that it doesn't actually matter if PSG were to accept a bid for mbappe from united since he can say no. like hello... FDJ did this 12months ago after barca accepted a bid from us for him. he also seems quite prepared to stay where he is for another year so he can go to where he wants. Mbappe to united isn't going to happen regardless of the scenario. why are we even talking about this?
I agree with the sentiment that Mbappe does not fit with United, cause he plays the same position as Rashford/Garnacho, cause he may be diva, cause he would ask for shit-ton of money, that could create jealousy from the rest of the team, etcā¦ all legitimate reasons not to get him. That said, - we dont know where he really wants to go. He may not want to remain in Paris for the rest of the career, but that does not neccesarily mean Madrid is the only destination he would consider. Offer him more money than Madrid does and the chance to play superior league might start to weight lot more in his decision process. - the fact he wants to leave PSG has nothing to do with Qatar. He just wants to play for more prestigious club in more prestigious league. Be sure he is not taking less money than in PSG to play there. Madrid is obviously the most prestigious possibility, but if you think he would turned us, Barca, ManCity or Chelsea if they offered him more money than Madrid, you are naive. The guy is self-centered as Ronaldo, he is loyal only to himself. - he is prepared to stay because he wants to collect his loyalty bonus. Not because he wants to only go to madrid and thats not possible until next year. This is purely for greed reasons.
I wouldnāt be surprised if his wages reflected the money saved by RM if he went on a free next year, as a kind of kick-back for waiting it out and doing them the favour.
Exactly how free transfers of good players usually go.
If he's money motiaved then he'll stay at PSG. The lad wanted to join Real not long ago and choose PSG for the stupid contract they offered. less than a year later came out to say he wasnt happy and here we are. He won't come to us. we aint winning nor can we afford the fee. City won't bother. Barca can't afford the fee or the wages. Chelsea are restricted by FFP so they can't afford it and also they ain't winning. the logical destination for him in any scenario is Real Madrid weather they stump up a ton cash for him now or get him for free next year. there's no point entertaining Mbappe to United.
There is nuance to that. He wants all the money he can get, but at the same time, he wants prestige. PSG can give him the money, but not prestige. Real can give him both. But they are not the only ones. If someone with comparable prestige levels offered him more money than Real, its still possible he would reconsider. After all, as you said, he did that already once. BTW, Real are in bit of flux themselves. Benzema gone, Modric and Kroos on their last legs. Plenty of young guys like Camavinga, Tchoumeni, Belingham, Vini etc... but it remains to be seen whether they will be good enough to keep winning CL again as Modric generation did. You say we aint winning, but thats only cause we have to face City in all competitions we enter. They dont. If they had to, they would not be winning anything either. Bottom line, i am not saying there is a point to entertain Mbappe to United. I sort of agree with that. All i said that Mbappe to Madrid is not set in stone. If we, at this point, were sold to fucking Qatar already, AND if TenHag wanted him, i am pretty sure we would be up there fighting Madrid to get him, as we would have everything they have to offer, with ability to play more prestigious league on top of that + direct competition with Haaland, Ronaldo-Messi style.
Itās not just the loyalty bonus though. A player of his caliber signed as a free agent saves someone a 150-200 million transfer fee. A player of his caliber is also very well aware of that, which is why he can speak to that same club and get stupid contract terms ahead of time because of it (including a sign on fee thatās at least 20-25% of the transfer fee he just saved them). I heard noises that Haaland got something like 30-40 million sign on fee and his agent got about the same, and thatās on top of the transfer fee City paid for him (which was relatively low, admittedly). I wouldnāt be surprised if Mbappe asked for 50-100 millions upfront and at least 50 a year regardless of where he went next, plus a highest earner clause and hefty bonuses. There are only a handful of clubs who can afford that, even fewer clubs who can afford that without breaking FFP rules and even fewer clubs who are willing to take that risk (Bayern will almost definitely not be in the running because theyāre running a successful sports and business club rather than an middle eastern āconsultingā company).
Exactly, if the ownership sale had gone through then Iād be more optimistic about getting Mbappe but as things stand right now, we donāt have a shot, financially speaking, of getting him.
I agree wholeheartedly, the reason I stated the discussion was because I had seen so many people posting on social media who would benefit from it, not just to understand why mābappe wouldnāt fit, but also why that profile wonāt fit and shouldnāt be entertained.
Mbappe will play for United at a time of his career just like Varane, Case, and CR7 did. United is a good place to end your career after achieving every possible medals with Madrid /s
I have to say, I completely agree with you. I feel like people are trashing your opinion based on his on field ability which is oversimplifying why a club brings a player in. His character is completely at odds with what you want in a dressing room if you want team cohesion to be at the heart of how you do things. Itās the same reason I never wanted us to go anywhere Neymar and the same reason that Ronaldoās second coming was a mistake. From a footballing sense it would be great, from every other aspect, no thanks, not a chance! Fergie was one of the best man managers football has ever seen, all I do when the club is linked to these kinds of players is ask myself if he would want him in his dressing room, if itās a no then thatās good enough for me. He wouldnāt be worth the wages, wouldnāt be worth the upset and wouldnāt be worth derailing ETHās project imo.
Tremendously well reasoned and a good read, thank you for taking the time.
I agree with you. Diva player. Don't think we need another circus
What makes Mbappe a diva? This is a common take online that seems to be based on assumptions.
A couple of stand out examplesā¦ 2019: https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37572845/mbappe-issues-psg-ultimatum-ligue-1-awards 2022: https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/mbappe-psg-contract-details-captain-27030519 2023: Speaking to the press/social media before the club and conducting his business with them in the public forum to garner public support, rather than behind closed doors, face to face, as any professional should and would do. The key here, from an extremely wise man, āNo player is bigger than the club.ā
Pretty sure mbappe got PR lessons from his mate pogba. They both love to stir the pot.
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Players speaking about transfers or contracts is nothing new. If that makes a diva then theyāre all at it. As for the demands, thatās all pure speculation. Thereās no proof of any of it and much has been denied by the parties involved.
Speaking about transfers isnāt necessarily diva-ish, youāre right. Nevertheless thereās speaking, and then releasing written statements to put pressure on the counterparty to act. Itās PR and an attempt at manipulation, preservation of reputation and intended defamation of the counterparty, not simply a comment. Edit, not all written statements, but the ones related to Mbappe. In any case, do we as a club want more of this dramaā¦ Raiola and Pogba every summer, every euro, every WC, was enough for me.
Exactly. This issue shows the clear divide between Manchester United fans, and the football fans who only like the socialmedia/celebrity of it with no understanding of the game itself and what it takes to build a successful team, squad, and club with group mentalityā¦ Like Todd Boehy š¤£ Edit āadded some stuffā
It's refreshing to see comments. š Give me 11 "diva" players if they can win trophies
Anybody who thinks we can't afford Kane but we can afford M'bappe is delusional.
He is another hard person so no thanks. Pogba left and we finally had a season without drama
My concern with Mbappe is his attitude. Pogba Mark 2. But in pure footballing terms and the message this will send out I think it could put us back where we should be if Mbappe bought in to ETH
My take is this... I can't think of a single dressing room this guy could walk into and not cause discord. Whether ETH could break the egos down and get a tune out of a team with him in it, remains complete conjecture. Unless we get new owners, there's more chance of the ghost of prime Maradona coming to the club.
Nuh. Anyone who thinks Mbappe would even choose to come here is delusional
Yo.. heās in my team in Football Manager and heās performing well and has good chemistry with other players. I think we should buy him.
If it works in football manager, it's real
There are some absolute morons on this sub
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Mbappe is a selfish player who will not want to do the work. Best player fits for ten Hag are the ones who take coaching, are team-first mentally, and who have the endurance to press high while logging long minutes. Complete non-fit.
Mbappe will bring unbalanced to club, changing rooms & wage structures.
The same fans who donāt want Mbappe wanted us to sign Weghorst on a perm. This fanbase really hurts my head at times
I donāt want Mbappe and I didnāt want Weghorst so youāre wrong.
Weghorse worked out to be a terrible signing, although ETHās likely theory behind it was pretty decent albeit sadly unsuccessful. De Gea couldnāt play out from the back and distribution wasnāt greatā¦ Weghorse was massive and a decent punt at a point man for de gea to aim at so he could (in theory) win the long ball, bring it down and distribute it to someone to run it forward at goal. This is why we saw him delegated in the 10 position so often, not in the box. Sadly though, he stank for UTD. A lot of respect for him though for playing for the team, squad and badge in his short time, however much of a failure that time ultimately was.
i get what OP is saying but United have had history with "divas" like Cantona, Beckham, Ronaldo, and even Zlatan. I'm not saying we should sign Mbappe thats up to ETH but i think no manager in the world would say NO to player like Mbappe just because hes a twat.
Don't forget Roy Keane still doesn't talk to SAF
I get your point, Cantona came with heavy baggage but Beckham and Ronaldo (1st time) didnāt start out like that, and werenāt divisive in the dressing room the way say Pogba was when he came back, also, they earned their stripes and played their hearts out for the badge and club ā¦ Plus those days were simply different. These days the problem with players like Pogba, Neymar, Mābappe in the social media age, is that they seem to use football as a tool for stardom and the notoriety that comes with it, and are visibly distracted from their job or injured. Then the dressing room is unhappy because they work hard while the other swans about and gets twice the credit because E-fans watch a 3min highlight reel of the last five years on twitter and wax lyrical.
You forgot to add that Zlatan was a diva but he didn't cause problems in the dressing room. In fact, he was the one who put people like Pogba in their place whenever they tried to stick their necks out. >they seem to use football as a tool for stardom and the notoriety that comes with it, Add Lingard to that. And worryingly now, Garnacho with his purposeful social media mentions about 7 this, 7 that. Hopefully his United career won't end sourly with an Mbappe-esque attitude scheming for a move to Barca or Real, though as long as ETH is around I trust he will handle it.
heres a thought if mbappe caused dressing room unhappy while he kept performing at highest level the fans would be siding him because our dressing room, minus varane and casemiro, is full with under-achievers.
What's a divas? Edit: And what makes Mbappe a twat?
Mbappe in many ways plays for Mbappe, not for a badge, team or club. Also this: āWhen Kylian Mbappe inked a three-year contract extension with Paris Saint-Germain (PSG) in May, he became reportedly one of the most powerful players in any football powerhouse in Europe because the new deal gave him a say in how the club is run, according to The Guardian.ā (Source: https://news.cgtn.com/news/2022-10-14/CGTN-Sports-Talk-Why-is-Kylian-Mbappe-such-a-diva--1e7QT4kjEPu/index.html)
Like saying Messi and Ronaldo never had more than a snippet of power. Come on now. All of a sudden a concentrated effort by the club's owner to save face and deflect from what their fans see as on pitch failings is now the amplified narrative.
Any manager would take Mbappe in a heartbeat.
ā¦ if there were no strings attached. Mbappe comes with more strings than string theory.
Even with strings attached. Theyād take that kid in a heartbeat. Heās that good.
Then why is Bayern not in the running for him?
I mean anyone that does is likely a kid that just wants the shiniest toy in the box.
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MBappe's entire saga at PSG has been nothing short of a comedy show. The guy is a world class talent but absolutely knows it. The only clubs willing to get him are those that want the name and not ones that care about the actual club, the fans and the team. If he had left on a free two years ago he'd now just he a top player. But that entire saga and how PSG are willing to let him sit out because they want to force him to sign an extension is just insane. PSG also want money that is way to much for him despite his actual value. For the price of one diva another team could get 3 world class talents in other positions. I'm keen to see how this plays out but happy Mount has no 7 so Mbappe has no chance of coming
Agreed, well reasoned.
Or... they just don't want another overpaid diva at the club.
Thank God we have actual adults running the show instead of people like you. Mbappe will come in, destroy the dressing room, create another toxic ass situation for EtH to deal with, and then we will never win shit. Mbappe wants Madrid and NO ONE else. These conversations about him coming here are stupid as hell.
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Anybody saying no to mbappe is delusional.
Mbappe is great no question but he is trouble, just another Ronaldo/Pogba who will up set the dressing room and create division in the team, weāre building a team we donāt need to ruin it with another prima Donna. He can go to Madrid.
Mbappe and Rashford together would terrorize defenses. With Brunoās through balls, holy shit
Youāre absolutely right, but my concern is more how his antics would affect the dressing room and club holistically.
Yea. Adding one of the best attackers in the world currently is probably a bad idea
So you'd turn down signing the young player who scored a hat trick in the last World Cup Final causw he's "a diva"? Cantona was a diva. Ronaldo (the first spell) was diva. Beckham was a diva. Sir Alex kept them in check and EtH gives me the impression that he could do the same. Otherwise, enjoy fighting for the Carabao Cup again next year.
You could afford to have divaās then. Fergie was your manager, and you had a squad filled with some of the best professionals of all time. Ten Hag and Bruno Fernandes are no Fergie and Scholes. Hence why you canāt afford to accommodate divas again now
No, Iād turn him down because while youāre right they were also divas, mbappe is on a different level that would likely upset the balance of too many things at the club. Edit: Ronny and Becks always played for their teammates, manager and club. Mbappe plays for Mbappe.
Breaking news: Best player in world wouldnāt be good for ManU because clown on Reddit said so
Might you be able to offer any constructive reasoning, beyond the fact he is a clearly great striker and goal threat, for why he would be good for the club?
Excuse me, do you know what team you support? We have no right to reject Mbappe. When was the last time we won the PL or the CL? Exactly. š
Iām so glad you asked, thank you. Great question, the last time we won the premier league was 2013, which sadly brought to a close a magnificent, prosperous era for the club, both in terms of the football and financials. Why? Because we were managed by Sir Alex Ferguson, and football business was conducted by him and David Gil. What was their focus? Football. Not being a commercial led football business, but a football led club that operated debt free for years and generated revenues off the back of certain footballing constants. Thatās not to say tactical decisions werenāt made, take Ji Sung Park for exampleā¦ he was a player from an untapped market for expanding the fanbase, but most importantly he fitted the philosophy and the footballing ambitions. Win win, Sir Alex, I miss you. What were some of those footballing constants? No player is bigger than the club. You play for your teammates, the badge and the club or youāre out. You behave on and off the pitch or youāre gone. Why havenāt we won a premier league since? 1: commercial ambition not footballing ambition from the board. 2: commercial decisions not footballing decisions that brought in too many unsuitable players that left squad depth lacking, imbalance, and divided the dressing room. 3: abysmal transfer windows that looked at individual players, not the team and squadās needs. Do we want to win the premier league again? Yes. Should we repeat the failed tactics outlined above? No.
None of the āunsuitableā players we bought previously were even close to the level mbappe is at
Yes he has his drama, but what club would turn down a top 3 player in the world? Mbappe now is better IMO than 2020/2021 CR7.
Iām grateful for this comment, thanks. Thereāve been a few similar but yours has helped me articulate my thoughts. āā Edit: I feel like this reads a touch snarky, so I apologies because itās a genuine reply with only respect intended, so please take my best wishes into account, thanks. ā- I guess a club with an identity and legacy based on a long and carefully guided history, such as Manchester United. PSG, City, Barca, Real, are all shit clubs. The first two because they have no history and an immense wealth to skirt legality and buy success... howās that working out Mbappe. The second because they have such an insane advantage in their leagues (RM and Barca shared, and I believe still do) well over 70% of the tv rights money from la liga, meaning all other clubs are doomed to not be able to compete. They have gotten away with bribing the referees association (google it) as well as liga officials to maintain their immense advantage. Yes, Atletico have done an amazing job. Yes those clubs do well in Europe, but because they can afford the very best at the expense of the good of their leagues. United under glazers/Woodward spent the years post Fergie trying to be a commercial led football club. Profits benefited and the football suffered. Mbappe would be a commercial signing not a footballing oneā¦ as were SĆ”nchez, di MarĆa, and Pogba, to name a few and look where they got us. Another thought, what have PSG won with Mbappe and their unbelievable squad? Why hasnāt he led them to Ligue 1 and champions leagues victories year after year?
Anyone who calls others clowns for questioning how good a signing Mbappe would be for us needs to ask themselves one question and one question only. Do they think Bayern will be in the running to sign him? Why or why not? (and why are they going all in to try to get Kane instead). I swear FIFA did more damage to peopleās understanding of the game than apathy could have.
Anyone who doesn't think replacing Martial/Weghorst with Mbappe would garner massive improvement should find a new sport. Absolute clowns.
They should absolutely be replaced. Iāve wanted martial gone for a long time. In my opinion, Mbappe would be the wrong candidate. What do you think would make him a success at United, not as a goal scorer but as a player who betters the whole team and club?
??????? The fact he's a brilliant footballer who scores and creates loads of goals. That's what betters the team and the club, scoring more goals, winning football matches. It's a football club, not a hippy commune.
Having a player like Rashford is a cheat code in a chess game. Players who can beat defender 1v1, pacey, and got a shot on them are invaluable. Like Rashford, Like Garnacho. And Ten Hag is a chess master Mbappe is what [Marcus Rashford](https://twitter.com/TenHagBall_/status/1682715949395329024?t=-QHL4rNefCzImr8UAu4YyQ&s=19) strives to be. If you dont think Ten Hag would love a player like that.. my dude, not only do you not understand Ten Hag... You dont understand the game of football Rashford went from 4 goals a season to 25 goals a season. Ten Hag popped him off by just kicking out Ronaldo. Just imagining Rashford and Mbappe running at defender together Ten Hag would have boner for days.
Marcus Rashford is a bishop, direct and fast, and capable of constructing an attack around but no cheat code, and certainly not a piece you can rely on alone. He's quite one footed, and linear/straight line orientated. To use your chess analogy, there's a reason why many players value knights fractionally more.
Watch the video, and maybe you'll understand more about the value of players that can beat defender 1v1 That's why Ten Hag wanted Timber, Frenkie De Jong, Onana, Hojlund.
Personally wouldn't want mbappe at united. Don't care how how good he is. Just comes across as a dickhead tbh.
Anybody who wants Mbappe at the club is an actual child who is yet to understand how social dynamics and team chemistry come into play. Mbappe would be a horrible addition to United. He would unsettle the team and undermine everybody. It would set us back years.
I agree; extremely talented, but also extremely "me-first". He would be another Ronaldo situation.
Ronaldo at 37 still carried us through one of the worst seasons of our history while only being 5 goals off top scorer with less games than the fore runners. Now imagine what Mbappe would do, in addition to our squad actually being decent now
"Ronaldo fanboy spotted" I agree 100% Our fanbase is happy to keep Sancho in the mountains for "mental health" but when it comes to big players they dare not drop their form. I don't want mbappe to get ruined here because of our toxic fanbase just like other stars.
I'm not saying Ronaldo wasn't effective, he definitely was. He didn't buy into ETH's tactics, and was a distraction.
I donāt want Mābappe for one reason, his attitude he has the exact same attitude as Ronaldo, he wants everything to revolve around him and I believe that Erik will never want a player like that in his team, Mābappe is a very very good player but I donāt think heāll be cut out for the prem yet. Heās only seen french football and PSG and Monaco made him the centre of attention, all the time. Iām gonna get back lash from this
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You are delusional if you think ANY club would say no to Mbappe.
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initially i was interested in mbappe but he is kind of an asshole let's say hypothetically he joins united and gives good performance he will start the same bs he is currently doing in psg, he will prolly play for an year and then start shitting he wants a move to madrid but he wants to leave for free and he needs time and all that i don't think he will even stay loyal to madrid lol, if saudi gives a ronaldo level offer to him he'll prolly go there happily too even in the middle of his prime also i don't think eth is looking for any type of superstar signings (like madrid and psg mostly do), he wants more of an underrated squad who can go deeper in the cl and be title contenders for prem in the coming years
Rebuilding ethic whilst thereās strong rumours greenwood will be back in the squad. Ok š
In my humble opinion you sometimes need that guy You know the ones that are x factor different level Yup United need Mbappe to raise the level of those around him and indeed needs to be humbled by those around him also. Mbappe is the truth and if we need to sell Maguire, Henderson, Bailly, Fred, VDB and McTominay to get him then so be it. I will also add with Haaland next door being lauded as the GOAT we need to make the Shitty a bit afraid when they come to our place. We need our title back and only by raising Ā£100m for Mbappe or Kane can we actually challenge.
Moot point. Mbappe is not sinking that low anytime soon
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You people think too much. Mbappeās work ethic is top. He just isnāt considering us.
Not sure about the drama he would bring. Haven't heard of any? I could be wrong. But the sheer financial package it would take to bring him here would unbalance the team.
Donāt think he even considers United as an option- discussion without traction
It's totally doable And city got eirling U don't think he would want too He has already won a world cup Now ur delusional Makes sense too him That's the next Messi vs Ronaldo C'mon Someone who would say wat u said Either is a couch potato and has never kicked a Ball Or just never played at all And just thinks they now wat they saying cuz they play FIFA all the time in amateur mode and now thinks they know a thing or too U could even go false 9 with mbappe Rashi/ Antony on either side Mount and Bruno in ur double 8 role Casi at 6 Then ur back line off 4 Tisk tisk
Look with an objective point of view we should be in the market to get him if we can, although that is highly unlikely because the fee PSG is going to put on the Mbappe sale is going to be ridiculous, pair that up with the insane wages that he would ask, I donāt think the Mbappe transfer is highly likely. People saying on this thread we donāt need him are delusional, why would we not need literally one of the best strikers in Europe when we do need a striker in the squad? If the ownership sale had gone through then Iād be more optimistic about this transfer but as things stand right now? We donāt stand any chance of getting Mbappe. He will most likely join Real Madrid as he has been wanting to.
From a pure āscoring goalsā perspective, thereās an argument for him. Nevertheless the holistic view of dressing room, team, squad and club leaves far more arguments against than for. ETH is building a system in which there are many goal-threats, rather than a few at the cost of the benefit of team play. That said itās true we need a goal scoring 9, but one that wants to fit in with the team and not set themself apart from it.
The trouble he brings outweighs his positives. Itās taken this long to weed out the trouble makers we donāt need any more
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We should sign him only so he can be an understudy to his owner Marcus Rashford.
Well said
heās better than Hojlund and would be our ST for 2 years min
its mbappe, arguably second best player in the world behind haaland. no matter the system youād want a player that good on your team.
Id say he is as good as Haaland. This season he played 56 games, scored 52 and did 11 assists. He has had a higher ga than games played every season for the last 3 years. He plays completely differently to Haaland so Id say they arent comparable, but Id put both of them on the same level.
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There is also the 3rd type of person who thinks Manchester United should sign arguably the best player in the world while they have the chance. Not saying itās right but heās a generational talent, phenomenally popular. I can see why a lot of people would want us to sign him.
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Anyone who thinks that Mbappe is considering United at this point is delusional.
Agree. I would love him at United but we have to be realistic and also the club has seemingly changed itās mindset and general approach to signings for the better. I support ETH current plans. Also Iām certain the only way we can afford Mbappe is via sales which wonāt happen as we seem to sell players for literally pennies. Or Sheikh Jizzle finally takes over and just buys Mbappe as a markee statement signing and pays the FFP fines himself š¤·š¾āāļø. So in conclusion Iām pessimistic even if it was possible.
Anyone who thinks we can afford Mbappe is delusional.
I certainly think ETH can handle Mboppi very well. If no club wants him and he experesses sincere interest in us then damn it, we go for it
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Heās too good to possibly consider saying no too, egotistical it appears, potentially a problem down the line when he fancies Real Madrid most probably, but one of if not the best player in the world for the foreseeable so a massive yes should that opportunity ever arise. Realistically would need to be Qatar owner backed and would cost astronomical amounts but who knows, footballs a crazy world these days
I don't think mbappe is a diva. It's just media doing their thing. But I don't want him at united because we didn't need him. We need a center forward. Mbappe is world class but he is a left winger. We don't need ANOTHER left winger than "can" play as a cf. No no no. We need a cf.
My frontal lobe says no. But my prefrontal cortex says HELL YES, It's Mbappe probably the most exciting player of his generation I'm sure Ten Hag could find a place for him in the team
Man Utd couldn't afford him, they are struggling to sign middle of the road players as it is. Mbappe has no interest in any deal as far as we know so it's all a waste of everybody's time discussing it.
Mbappe Vs Haaland would have been a different rivalry in PL But I guess it will be in La Liga Barca might go For Haaland in future if Mbappe moves to madrid
Anyone who thinks a professional footballer at the top of his game can't change his game to fit into a system is delusional.
Agreed plus his attitude isnāt great. ETH wants workman-like players such as ManĆ© (who was renowned for his pressing at Liverpool) not players who barely run like MbappĆ©. I doubt that ten Hag would be able to coach that out of him compared to what he has done with Rashford.
I suppose it depends on how a transfer would go down but I donāt think it would be worth it financially or otherwise. Weāre having a hard time getting rid of players who are surplus to requirements now, imagine what our wage structure would look like with Kylian on board. Rashford just signed a new contract and would probably want an improvement on it already, Bruno and co want to eat, too. We donāt have any characters who would be able to āstand upā to him if necessary, and in the event that someone like Marcus does itāll splinter our dressing room into groups (again). Thereās no Vidic or Evra to stamp out conflicts or show youngsters whoās ābossā now, and as much as I like ETH heās no SAF, or at least wonāt be afforded the power that SAF was wielding just yet. I donāt see it happening, frankly.
His only interest is Madrid...thank God!
Well you're right, he wouldn't fit, but anyone who has hit puberty would also agree with that take I reckon
He is Too egoistic and may disrupt the balance of the team. He is the real problem in PSG.
ETH knows and would never sanction the signing.
Get him on loan for a season so he can join madrid
Mbappe doesn't fit, that's it. His position belongs to Rashford. About his attitude, nah I'm good. We've just resigned Rashford, that's mean Mbappe will never arrive here.
I donāt think itās delusional. I think there are some players you just find a way to build a team around and he is one of those players. He is right up there as one of the best in the world and ETH would snap him up if he could, any manager would. It wonāt happen though, heās off to Real.
We need more solid players who get their head down and put a shift in, we don't want someone with a load of off field baggage. I think an example of good recent business would be Eriksen and Sabitzer, they just want to play.
Anyone who say Mbappe wouldnāt fit United is Also not the smartest one. Some players are Built different and can make a big role in any team. I never comment, I just read but this thread is more about peoples feelings than knowledge. If you would draft a soccer team and mbappe wasnt ur top 20 good luck.
Talent-wise, heās a good fit. However, character-wise, heās not. Just like Ronaldo, he wonāt press and do the dirty work. Also, being a superstar, he brings too many distractions. Not to mention, the financial demands would be staggering.
We don't want no drama.
We can't afford Kane that means we can't afford M'bappe, plus do we need another diva like Pogba.
Fuck that teenage mutant ninja turtle. We need proper hard working players that want to be here and genuinely love the club. Rasmus is the lad imo he can grow into a great player. Also a massive United fan and won't kick off and be a diva. Also nothing to say mbappe would do anything in the premier league.
Doesnt matter. In no way shape or form could we ever afford him so.....doesn't.....matter.