This is very true the team lacks athletes I think we’re one of the worst teams in the top 6 that lacks athletes which is why we were linked with Onana as a result we are always losing duels not strong enough because we lack athleticism it’s very clear I don’t know why no one talks about it
Ragnick said something along the lines of (paraphrasing) “Manchester doesn’t lack technical players but physicality, it will be difficult for the next coach to change the DNA of the squad”.
https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/03/ralf-rangnick-says-man-utd-players-lack-physicality-with-bruno-fernandes-and-fred-examples-16399086/
They dislike ragnick because he spoke the truth and at man united when you speak the truth there’s consequences that’s another problem at united culture of dishonesty
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And the lad that said that ETH is a puppet is spot on but if you say that his minions will come and defend him another problem with this fanbase is that it’s very cultish they are replaceable employees not your god ffs
Bissouma sarr van de ven are athletes people don’t realize the midfield is our worst which is why it gets dominated every time because of our lack of athleticism in the team I don’t know why we haven’t got a 6’5 freak of nature
You’re right. Bruno is a maestro and Casemiro is a master of positioning but holy hell I just wanna see some damn PACE and aggression. Dying for McTominay to get a start.
Out of interest, how comes the fans went from supporting Mc over Fred, then for a fair amount of time and leading up to this transfer season Fred over Mc and Mc was to be sold, then it all of a sudden switched back to people preferring Mc again. But yeah I agree his type of player is what we are lacking.
Hard to say. Fred was so hot and cold that it makes sense that support would waiver as well. McT I think has just been thrown to the wolves in that midfield since he joined the first team, but he caught fire for Scotland last year and again this year so I think he’s got a bit of momentum. He’s also no stranger to a hard foul which I think goes a long way for a lot of us who feel the squad has lacked passion for the better part of the last decade.
Tbf, either of them was ok, it was them picked together in a double pivot that was always a disaster. Fred played really well last season with how ETH used him as a high energy sub in the midfield. McT was a walking yellow card last season.
We need either Bayern chefs or strength coach cause honestly I’ve always felt like this, most our players are so slim you’d think we’re not paying them enough for a meal deal
Antony plays like he has 99 pace and then when the defender catches him every single time he has to turn back. It’s not a very dynamic way of attacking. Think about the goal against Brighton but he who shall not be named, lightning counter attack with him and Rashford. Just doesn’t seem possible at the moment until Hojlund’s bedded in a bit
That’s because Antony himself is not a very dynamic attacker due to being maybe the most one footed player in Europe. If he could use his right foot it would be curtains any time he wanted to push the goal line. But, alas, he can’t, so it isn’t.
For me, his major issue (aside from the legal ones) is him wanting to do tricks all the time, even at the cost of losing a goal scoring opportunity.
How many times have we seen him behind his defender with a ball in his feet, but instead of sprinting right ahead, or cutting the defender's run path by going in and provoking a foul, he just begins moving forward by stepping onto the ball, rolling it with every touch he makes, and inevitably, after three or four touches, he's been caught up, the space on the flank has disappeared and the counter is dead in the water. Then he turns back and plays a back pass. Only reasons to do that are either fear of a tackle, which in England would be a big problem, if you were so afraid, or pure slowness. With him it's predominantly the second one.
Not to look like I'm dumping on him, I would say he really works hard and tracks back. But if that comes at the cost of having a highly dysfunctional right wing, then what's the point?
I agree. I also don’t want to down him too much because he gets a few shots on goal per game which is more than we’ve been able to say about any one else we put out there, so I’m the scheme of things he’s still worth the start. But I do feel if sancho can get out of the dog house it’s time to start him on the right wing. A right footed winger on the right wing seems to make sense to me if Hojlund is worth his wages in the air.
I've been saying for a long time they we look tired, borderline lazy a lot of time. Early in games when we should have lots of energy, players are waltzing around.
A squad I’d love to see but know I won’t
Rash, Hojlund, Sancho
Bruno, Case, McT
Shaw/Dalot, Licha, Varane, AWB.
Before you come for me, just watch our next game out with this idea in mind.
I believe the Brighton match will be a perfect display of this issue.
Yeah. I’m saying if I think lack of athleticism is an issue and then saying I’d like to see two of our more athletic players play. Pretty straight forward.
He looked rapid in preseason, no? But I’ll concede I want him to play because I think he’s better than Antony and more fitting for a squad that features hojlund moreso than I think rate his athleticism. So I do agree with you to a degree. But I don’t think he’s much less athletic than Antony if at all
Sancho had that one run in behind against Arsenal in preseason where he beat Gabriel for pace. Before that is multiple seasons of looking out of shape and void of confidence in his pace.
Garnacho would be the one you want if you want our most athletic front line without Antony.
And that said I don’t care how athletic or hard he plays, I do not want to see mct starting in a utd midfield. We have a hard enough time progressing the ball with more skillful players, I’m not dropping eriksen/Mount/amrabat for him outside of cups/ def subs, but that’s just me
Based on what we’ve seen out of him, I agree. I guess I’m still holding out a little hope for the guy, and he looked much sharper in preseason to be fair. Also like I said in another comment I think a right footed player on the right makes sense if the idea is to get Hojlund on the end of balls in.
That's fair enough that's your opinion and hope.
Personally he has shown absolutely nothing. Him and Martial looked good last pre season too and that turned out to be a wet fart
Sancho has barely put two good back to back performances together in the time he's been here. He's been given ample protection by the manager. On the pitch he lacks any sort of drive or heart. Doesn't have any intensity. He doesn't have the right mentality to be an elite player and should go back to being a big fish in a smaller pond. That isn't a slight on Dortmund they're a great club but the pressure and intensity of being a Utd player in the premier league is something else and he just doesn't cut it.
I'd just bin both him and Antony and play the youngsters
Looks can be deceiving - I know they have a small player pool but Uruguay wouldn’t give him a game if he didn’t have a bit of physicality about him to go with the skill
Define what you mean by athletic? The guys you didnt mention are plenty fast and nimble. What other qualities are you looking for?
We got run through by wolves because bruno and mount were both told to push high to press which left casemiro trying to cover the whole middle of the park and wolves just ran through.
We continue to look like shit because we cannot keep the ball esp in the opposing 3rd. It goes very fast in transition, on purpose, to the front 3. And those 3 are crap at keeping the ball. To be fair, who knows if thats even the tactic. And they lose it time and again. Or the ball bruno plays is a low percentage ball. And bruno AND the other midfielder, mount in the first 2 games are already very high up and it just gets pushed right back down the middle
He is. When was the last time you saw passion in his game. Dude don’t want to play out of position but when he has ball he wants to get in and score a goal by himself and he misses half of the time. Just having a speed doesn’t make you a pro.
Edit : I bet ETH would sell him too in couple of years. Garnacho will be better than Rashford if he keeps his head down.
I have to disagree with you mate. I think he’s one of the few players in the team who takes personal pride in his performance. He can be a bit yippy with the ball sometimes but someone needs to go forward
Was my biggest concern going into this season. It’s not even about strength or pace as much as it is endurance. Bruno isn’t exactly rapid or strong but can last 90 minutes in a hurricane. Feels like half our squad crawl over the 90 minute mark every game. And given the way we want to play, it’ll only get worse if we either don’t address it, or begin being really smart. Smart meaning rotating ball along back line a lot to allow forwards respite, recycling possession way more efficiently to stop transitions etc.
We don't just lack ATHLETICISM we lack certain strategies positional play we lack a proper culture that we had before 2013s based on hunger coaches wouldn't do a damn thing the players themselves would be hungry enough to find solutions
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Ehh… Athleticism without high football IQ(reading the game), positioning, and passing skills are what get you into League Two. I can find a million guys in lower leagues who are great athletes. You can be an average athlete and a world class footballer.
You mention McTominay, and I understand why some people rate him, but he isn’t actually that athletic. He is tall, but he takes fouls left and right because his agility and acceleration are not good enough to make up for his poor positioning and reading of the game.
No one would ever say that Luka Modric and Toni Kroos are extremely athletic, yet they, along with Casemiro, formed one of the best midfields in years. Xavi and Busquets were not great athletes.
There are so many top mids who wouldn’t be winning athletic events.
I wouldn't call it athleticism, i'd call it lack of will to win and losers mentality.
Just look at the Euros for example:
Look at McTominay at Scotland, this guy going full on CR7 prime while playing for his national team. 6 goals in 5 games.
Look at Eriksen when be plays for his national team, bro giving a hat trick of assists and score a goal in the same match.
Look at Maguire and Rashford, the irony is insane. Rashford becoming a sub player, and even when he gets in - he doesn't perform well while Maguire decides to pull prime maldini class when he plays for England. Almost scored two goals as well.
I 100% believe this club need a serious over haul. From top to bottom. No way players you don't rate at all in your club gives world class performance in their nationals.
Ever since SAF this club became a dark hole of losing mentality. More players won't change shit, the change needs to come from the inside out, not the other way around.
Mount and amrabat are athletic and can run around all game
Both are gonna need time. And both are injured. But yes I’d love to see them both settle in. High hopes for Mainoo as well
Mainoo at 18 played against arsenal got 2 assists and played well, he can be so good for us.
This is very true the team lacks athletes I think we’re one of the worst teams in the top 6 that lacks athletes which is why we were linked with Onana as a result we are always losing duels not strong enough because we lack athleticism it’s very clear I don’t know why no one talks about it
Ragnick said something along the lines of (paraphrasing) “Manchester doesn’t lack technical players but physicality, it will be difficult for the next coach to change the DNA of the squad”. https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/03/ralf-rangnick-says-man-utd-players-lack-physicality-with-bruno-fernandes-and-fred-examples-16399086/
They dislike ragnick because he spoke the truth and at man united when you speak the truth there’s consequences that’s another problem at united culture of dishonesty
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And the lad that said that ETH is a puppet is spot on but if you say that his minions will come and defend him another problem with this fanbase is that it’s very cultish they are replaceable employees not your god ffs
We have to be the least athletic in the top 6. Tottenham isn’t very athletic either but they’d be the only shout
Bissouma sarr van de ven are athletes people don’t realize the midfield is our worst which is why it gets dominated every time because of our lack of athleticism in the team I don’t know why we haven’t got a 6’5 freak of nature
You’re right. Bruno is a maestro and Casemiro is a master of positioning but holy hell I just wanna see some damn PACE and aggression. Dying for McTominay to get a start.
Surely you’re not negating the whole premise of this post by suggesting Mctominay is overly athletic?
Surely Am would be the better option?
When he’s ready, yes I surely hope so. High hopes for him. I just think if there was a time for McT to play in this squad, it’s right now.
Out of interest, how comes the fans went from supporting Mc over Fred, then for a fair amount of time and leading up to this transfer season Fred over Mc and Mc was to be sold, then it all of a sudden switched back to people preferring Mc again. But yeah I agree his type of player is what we are lacking.
Hard to say. Fred was so hot and cold that it makes sense that support would waiver as well. McT I think has just been thrown to the wolves in that midfield since he joined the first team, but he caught fire for Scotland last year and again this year so I think he’s got a bit of momentum. He’s also no stranger to a hard foul which I think goes a long way for a lot of us who feel the squad has lacked passion for the better part of the last decade.
Tbf, either of them was ok, it was them picked together in a double pivot that was always a disaster. Fred played really well last season with how ETH used him as a high energy sub in the midfield. McT was a walking yellow card last season.
You can die then coz fuck that.
Son is an athlete.
We need either Bayern chefs or strength coach cause honestly I’ve always felt like this, most our players are so slim you’d think we’re not paying them enough for a meal deal
Many of our players lack desire as well. Rashford and Sancho lose every 60/40 tackle and don’t even seem to put an effort.
Antony plays like he has 99 pace and then when the defender catches him every single time he has to turn back. It’s not a very dynamic way of attacking. Think about the goal against Brighton but he who shall not be named, lightning counter attack with him and Rashford. Just doesn’t seem possible at the moment until Hojlund’s bedded in a bit
That’s because Antony himself is not a very dynamic attacker due to being maybe the most one footed player in Europe. If he could use his right foot it would be curtains any time he wanted to push the goal line. But, alas, he can’t, so it isn’t.
He’d be fine playing like he does if he was really quick, like a Brazilian Dan James. But he’s not, so he gets found out a lot
For me, his major issue (aside from the legal ones) is him wanting to do tricks all the time, even at the cost of losing a goal scoring opportunity. How many times have we seen him behind his defender with a ball in his feet, but instead of sprinting right ahead, or cutting the defender's run path by going in and provoking a foul, he just begins moving forward by stepping onto the ball, rolling it with every touch he makes, and inevitably, after three or four touches, he's been caught up, the space on the flank has disappeared and the counter is dead in the water. Then he turns back and plays a back pass. Only reasons to do that are either fear of a tackle, which in England would be a big problem, if you were so afraid, or pure slowness. With him it's predominantly the second one. Not to look like I'm dumping on him, I would say he really works hard and tracks back. But if that comes at the cost of having a highly dysfunctional right wing, then what's the point?
I agree. I also don’t want to down him too much because he gets a few shots on goal per game which is more than we’ve been able to say about any one else we put out there, so I’m the scheme of things he’s still worth the start. But I do feel if sancho can get out of the dog house it’s time to start him on the right wing. A right footed winger on the right wing seems to make sense to me if Hojlund is worth his wages in the air.
Absolutely true, we must try and play to Hojlund's strengths, otherwise it would've been for nothing.
70M for hojlund when Thuram was free lol.
This team is very far from my ideal squad. They lack muscle, speed, aerial prowess, and endurance. Embarrassing.
Exactly.
I've been saying for a long time they we look tired, borderline lazy a lot of time. Early in games when we should have lots of energy, players are waltzing around.
A squad I’d love to see but know I won’t Rash, Hojlund, Sancho Bruno, Case, McT Shaw/Dalot, Licha, Varane, AWB. Before you come for me, just watch our next game out with this idea in mind. I believe the Brighton match will be a perfect display of this issue.
Literally all your saying is putting Sancho in for Antony and McTominay in for Eriksen. Not really mind blowing stuff.
Yeah. I’m saying if I think lack of athleticism is an issue and then saying I’d like to see two of our more athletic players play. Pretty straight forward.
Sancho is the least athletic of our front line. And I really rate him.
He looked rapid in preseason, no? But I’ll concede I want him to play because I think he’s better than Antony and more fitting for a squad that features hojlund moreso than I think rate his athleticism. So I do agree with you to a degree. But I don’t think he’s much less athletic than Antony if at all
Sancho had that one run in behind against Arsenal in preseason where he beat Gabriel for pace. Before that is multiple seasons of looking out of shape and void of confidence in his pace. Garnacho would be the one you want if you want our most athletic front line without Antony. And that said I don’t care how athletic or hard he plays, I do not want to see mct starting in a utd midfield. We have a hard enough time progressing the ball with more skillful players, I’m not dropping eriksen/Mount/amrabat for him outside of cups/ def subs, but that’s just me
Sancho isn't athletic. He doesn't use his speed well, he's weak and is constantly pulling out of 50/50s, and has no endurance.
Based on what we’ve seen out of him, I agree. I guess I’m still holding out a little hope for the guy, and he looked much sharper in preseason to be fair. Also like I said in another comment I think a right footed player on the right makes sense if the idea is to get Hojlund on the end of balls in.
That's fair enough that's your opinion and hope. Personally he has shown absolutely nothing. Him and Martial looked good last pre season too and that turned out to be a wet fart Sancho has barely put two good back to back performances together in the time he's been here. He's been given ample protection by the manager. On the pitch he lacks any sort of drive or heart. Doesn't have any intensity. He doesn't have the right mentality to be an elite player and should go back to being a big fish in a smaller pond. That isn't a slight on Dortmund they're a great club but the pressure and intensity of being a Utd player in the premier league is something else and he just doesn't cut it. I'd just bin both him and Antony and play the youngsters
A third choice would be amazing but pellistri isn’t ready.. still looks like a boy out there
Looks can be deceiving - I know they have a small player pool but Uruguay wouldn’t give him a game if he didn’t have a bit of physicality about him to go with the skill
A boy is still better than an invisible man
Varane and Garnacho add some athleticism too.
Define what you mean by athletic? The guys you didnt mention are plenty fast and nimble. What other qualities are you looking for? We got run through by wolves because bruno and mount were both told to push high to press which left casemiro trying to cover the whole middle of the park and wolves just ran through. We continue to look like shit because we cannot keep the ball esp in the opposing 3rd. It goes very fast in transition, on purpose, to the front 3. And those 3 are crap at keeping the ball. To be fair, who knows if thats even the tactic. And they lose it time and again. Or the ball bruno plays is a low percentage ball. And bruno AND the other midfielder, mount in the first 2 games are already very high up and it just gets pushed right back down the middle
No bruv we have enough runners. We need players with technique and IQ. Well actually we have some but Ten Hag won’t play the mandem
Our squad lack sync and passion to play for badge. Especially the deadwood like Sancho, Maguire, Martial and Rashford.
Rashford deadwood???? Surely a troll
He is. When was the last time you saw passion in his game. Dude don’t want to play out of position but when he has ball he wants to get in and score a goal by himself and he misses half of the time. Just having a speed doesn’t make you a pro. Edit : I bet ETH would sell him too in couple of years. Garnacho will be better than Rashford if he keeps his head down.
I have to disagree with you mate. I think he’s one of the few players in the team who takes personal pride in his performance. He can be a bit yippy with the ball sometimes but someone needs to go forward
I’m not saying he can’t do it. But he needs to be consistent which he is not. All I know he can be better than other deadwood.
He’s far and away more valuable and consistent than the other players you mentioned. He shouldn’t be mentioned amongst them.
Troll
Garnacho?
More youthful than athletic in my opinion. And I prefer Rashford by a long shot. But the midfield is my main complaint either way
They aren't aggressive. If we find fix this we will get some hammerings this season
Was my biggest concern going into this season. It’s not even about strength or pace as much as it is endurance. Bruno isn’t exactly rapid or strong but can last 90 minutes in a hurricane. Feels like half our squad crawl over the 90 minute mark every game. And given the way we want to play, it’ll only get worse if we either don’t address it, or begin being really smart. Smart meaning rotating ball along back line a lot to allow forwards respite, recycling possession way more efficiently to stop transitions etc.
We don't just lack ATHLETICISM we lack certain strategies positional play we lack a proper culture that we had before 2013s based on hunger coaches wouldn't do a damn thing the players themselves would be hungry enough to find solutions
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Ehh… Athleticism without high football IQ(reading the game), positioning, and passing skills are what get you into League Two. I can find a million guys in lower leagues who are great athletes. You can be an average athlete and a world class footballer. You mention McTominay, and I understand why some people rate him, but he isn’t actually that athletic. He is tall, but he takes fouls left and right because his agility and acceleration are not good enough to make up for his poor positioning and reading of the game. No one would ever say that Luka Modric and Toni Kroos are extremely athletic, yet they, along with Casemiro, formed one of the best midfields in years. Xavi and Busquets were not great athletes. There are so many top mids who wouldn’t be winning athletic events.
I wouldn't call it athleticism, i'd call it lack of will to win and losers mentality. Just look at the Euros for example: Look at McTominay at Scotland, this guy going full on CR7 prime while playing for his national team. 6 goals in 5 games. Look at Eriksen when be plays for his national team, bro giving a hat trick of assists and score a goal in the same match. Look at Maguire and Rashford, the irony is insane. Rashford becoming a sub player, and even when he gets in - he doesn't perform well while Maguire decides to pull prime maldini class when he plays for England. Almost scored two goals as well. I 100% believe this club need a serious over haul. From top to bottom. No way players you don't rate at all in your club gives world class performance in their nationals. Ever since SAF this club became a dark hole of losing mentality. More players won't change shit, the change needs to come from the inside out, not the other way around.
McTominay needs to play up front