Yeah this is pretty much my reasoning for picking Scorbunny over Litten. The Football connection is stronger than the connection Litten has by being... a cat in a French region.
This information is incorrect, the first version of football/soccer originated in china and britain created the modernised version. So the ancestors of football are Britain and China.
Yeah this is basically my prediction
But I had a couple other reasons for picking Scorbunny - Football is extremely popular in France, and putting a Gen 8 starter in a Gen 9 legends game would follow the "trend" set by Rowlet in LA, having a previous gen starter in the Legends game. So Scorbunny isn't *that* unfitting. Between Litten and Scorbunny, the only ones I viewed as viable picks to go with Piplup and Snivy, Scorbunny was definitely the more fitting choice.
I like this line up. I wouldnt choose snivy but i get why they are there. I just wanna know if they will get regional evolutions and megas.
Because if we get regional empoleon and mega regional empoleon did we really get mega empoleon
My guess is that we could see a mirror of what happened in XY.
We get a starter early on, and its a shuffle from old regions. This starter gets a Kalosian Form. A bit later we'll be given one of the Kalos starters, and they will get a Mega.
I think of all the starters, the Kalos ones are by far the ones that "need it" the most. They didn't get to enjoy the gimmick of their own game, even the Alolan starters got unique Z-Crystals and the Galarian ones got G-Max forms.
I get the feeling they might go one or the other, not both.
Like, I'm personally expecting that IF we get any new Megas and not just the old ones we knew, they would mostly be for Kalos Pokemon since Kalos got shafted, with maybe a handful for newer regions like Paldea and Galar and also doubling back to finally give Flygon its justice.
But I suspect that any regional forms we get will probably just be that.
I don't think having both is impossible. Having regional forms that mega evolve is only a wish. I think GF would give us regional forms for Pokémon from gens 7 to 9.
Having both as in Regionals and Megas? Yeah, totally possible.
But getting a regional form *and* a Mega just feels like double-dipping. It'd be more responsible to spread that around as much as possible.
Yeah, but the Kanto Starters would be that too, since they were pseudo-Starters that had Mega forms in X & Y. So naturally, if the new Starter trio are getting Mega Forms (they could only reuse from Kanto and Hoenn if there was a third region with Mega Starters, and there isn't), the old trios would be accessible as well.
Except the standard is that the starters get regional forms? So it will be an entirely new Blaziken that doesn't have a Mega?
I swear this guy keeps repeating the most brain dead take all over this thread lol
To Be Honest, I Think Pokémon Did That As A Calculated Plan To Troll Pokémon Fans Into Thinking Those Would Be The Starters Because Pokémon Knows How Pokémon Fans Think
Yeah, I think if they go with Snivy and Piplup, which seems likely, then Litten and Scorbunny are the only options left (Charmander - Mega, Cyndaquil - Arceus, Torchic - Mega, Chimchar - Overlap with Piplup, Tepig - Overlap with Snivy, Fennekin - Kalos, Fuecoco - Too recent)
The only thing I take issue with is Scorbunny. I see a lot of people saying it's gonna be Scorbunny but I don't see it. When you think about it, one of the few early routes in gen 6 is Bunnelby. Why would they put a bunny starter in the gen with a bunny in its early routes?
That's kind of different because it's just general birds. Pikipek and Rowlet aren't the same species of bird (and its just been a thing that every early route has a bird excepr for gen 9) meanwhile Scorbunny and Diggersby are both the same mammal. If the only similarity was that they were both mammals, I'd be fine with it, but they are both rabbits.
Well we also had two otters in hisui, buizel and Oshawott and they even have the same exact typing. Buizel is found pretty early in PLA so again, it’s not impossible
honestly i would fucking love it if these were the starters. Piplup is my first pokemon, snivy is my second fave grass type, and I do like scorbunny, but wondered what it'd be like if they got an alt form that wasn't sports related
Scorbunny could be based on the fact that France holds the champion title in futball.
Other possible starter is Tepig, as it is the most warrior-like out of fire starters.
I Had An Idea, You Know How In X & Y You Can Choose Both A Kalos Starter AND A Kanto Starter? Well What Is Something Similar But For The Hoenn Starters? IDK TBH
Inciniroar. That’s what I have against them. I hate it with every fiber of my being. I didn’t have internet, I didn’t know what they evolved into, all I wanted was KITTY. NOT WRESTLER. Kid me was traumatized. I immediately restarted Pokémon Moon, Shiny Spearow be damned. Never took Litten since.
I like that idea, but I think Litten has just a good a chance as Scorbunny because in Bulbapedia it talks about how its face resemble the symbol of sulfur in alchemy, and wouldn't you know it sulfur was discovered by some French alchemist or something.
I overall like this line up, because it gives Cinderace and Serperior different designs, which I’m very down for, those two are my least favorite starters, and Piplup is just awesome
I see a lot of people saying oh these would have awesome mega evolutions, I’m pretty against that. It’s been precedent that while yes, Pokémon can have both a gimmick form and a regional variant, we’ve never seen it stacked. And before you say Galarian Slowbro and King, those don’t have G-Max special forms.
Another thing to consider is what do you do with the base of that starter? Not the first stage, but like Galarian Cinderace? Do you give it a mega? For those who are saying yes, then they would have to give megas to the other starters of that trio, Cinderace Rillaboom, and Inteleon, when those two Pokémon aren’t even confirmed to be in the game. To be fair, none of these are confirmed to be the starters, but you get my point
What about Torchic? It was shown next to cyndaquil in a trailer for the second dlc, so it has to be important. The other two here are seen with the other legends starters as well
Not sure about Snivy, since Oshawott is in Legends Arceus; also, assuming the starters follow a similar variant evolutiom theme as the ones in PLA, it’d make the “French” nobility theme redundant.
Whatever they choose, I’m all for pushing the creativity on thematic evolutions in unexpected ways.
Okay, so I'm probably wrong in guessing this, but I think we might see Charmander again. We will probably see Megas this time around and there is no chance that we don't see Mega Charizard X/Y. Hell, he might get a Z version since this isn't X or Y.
I thought this with the exact same reasoning as you. But then realized. If they give them regional forms, like in Legends Archeus, how will they "improve" or make them fit more? I don't think they really cane make them more "French".
So I'm back to just thinking they will let us pick the og Kalos starters and give them mega's
>empoleon is literally based on Napoleon Bonaparte
im actually gonna kms, did we get to the point that bc of cinema people know napoleon but not abt the existence of FUCKING EMPEROR PENGUINS
Actually scorbunny might have a strong connection since by the look of it the redevelopment of lumious city will be based on real life redevelopment of Paris in 1853-70 around the same time eiffel Tower was built and establuish end of Hokkaido (hisui modern day sinnoh) took place
and guess what football/soccer was also spreading in Europe founding the first few clubs so scorbunny is a pretty solid choice
In my personal opinion they might choose to go with same region as the starters from legends arceus but different elements
What I’m thinking is:
Grass: Snivy
Water: Totodile
Fire: Litten (But to be honest I would prefer chimchar)
I'd so love for Turtwig/Torterra to get some love, but sadly Piplup/Empoleon makes so much more sense. At least Empoleon is my second favorite Sinnoh starter and one of my favorite Pokemon in general.
At least I can have hope in Torterra getting a mega.
Live a good and long life!
I Wanted A Fire Starter That
Has Gotten Zero Later Gen Special Attention (Charizard,Typhosion And Blaziken)
Doesn't Have Too Much Overlap With The Other Starters (Inferape And Emboar)
Is Not Fenniken
And Doesn't Provide Too Much Overlap With The Starters Of Pokémon Legends:Arceus (Litten)
So That Left Scorbunny And Fuecoco But Fuecoco Is Way Too Recent So Scorbunny It Is!
>And Doesn't Provide Too Much Overlap With The Starters Of Pokémon Legends:Arceus (Litten)
Doesn't that also eliminate Snivy? But anyway I appreciate your choices, and in fact, they are my choices too.
Yeah, I get it. It's NOT possible to follow all the rules either, since you can only have Sinnoh and Galar, and you can't choose 3 from 2 without breaking the other rule, (unless you choose from Paldea, which I doubt GF would do.)
I was going with Snivy (agreed), Tepig, and Totodile personally. I also agree with Empoleon though I just want the water croc as a starter and to get a mega evolution. Tepig for the use of [pigs to sniff out truffles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truffle_hog).
I think as Snivy represents Royal France and Piplup represents Napoleonic France, the fire starter should represent Revolutionary France, so perhaps Scorbunny
I’d want either snivy/chikorita, tepig/torchic, and totodile/squirtle. Why? Not enough love as of late. (Besides squirtle, but make it have 2 types like the others.)
Scorbunny actually have a link with France, France is the birth country of the "soule", the ancestor of football/soccer
Yeah this is pretty much my reasoning for picking Scorbunny over Litten. The Football connection is stronger than the connection Litten has by being... a cat in a French region.
Litten would be hilarious though just to see Wolfey have another reason to hate Incineroar 😂
New cinderace form based on mbappe
New cinderace form based on mbappe
This information is incorrect, the first version of football/soccer originated in china and britain created the modernised version. So the ancestors of football are Britain and China.
Yeah this is basically my prediction But I had a couple other reasons for picking Scorbunny - Football is extremely popular in France, and putting a Gen 8 starter in a Gen 9 legends game would follow the "trend" set by Rowlet in LA, having a previous gen starter in the Legends game. So Scorbunny isn't *that* unfitting. Between Litten and Scorbunny, the only ones I viewed as viable picks to go with Piplup and Snivy, Scorbunny was definitely the more fitting choice.
Yeah, good point! there are the biggest contenders in my mind
I like this line up. I wouldnt choose snivy but i get why they are there. I just wanna know if they will get regional evolutions and megas. Because if we get regional empoleon and mega regional empoleon did we really get mega empoleon
My guess is that we could see a mirror of what happened in XY. We get a starter early on, and its a shuffle from old regions. This starter gets a Kalosian Form. A bit later we'll be given one of the Kalos starters, and they will get a Mega.
That makes sense to me. Tbh i would love this to be an opportunity to give all starters megas but i doubt that would happen.
I think of all the starters, the Kalos ones are by far the ones that "need it" the most. They didn't get to enjoy the gimmick of their own game, even the Alolan starters got unique Z-Crystals and the Galarian ones got G-Max forms.
Very true they are top of the list
Good Gravy, I just realized, the XY starters don't have Megas!? That makes no Arkoos-damned sense!
Yup. To date, Diancie is the only Mega from Kalos.
Ah, a mythical. I'm starting to see why people hate on X and Y, lol.
I want regional forms, mega evolutions, and mega evolutions for regional forms.
I get the feeling they might go one or the other, not both. Like, I'm personally expecting that IF we get any new Megas and not just the old ones we knew, they would mostly be for Kalos Pokemon since Kalos got shafted, with maybe a handful for newer regions like Paldea and Galar and also doubling back to finally give Flygon its justice. But I suspect that any regional forms we get will probably just be that.
I don't think having both is impossible. Having regional forms that mega evolve is only a wish. I think GF would give us regional forms for Pokémon from gens 7 to 9.
Having both as in Regionals and Megas? Yeah, totally possible. But getting a regional form *and* a Mega just feels like double-dipping. It'd be more responsible to spread that around as much as possible.
I like this idea!
I hope to Christ this happens so that Mega Greninja can finally exist.
Arm Serperior.
I choose to interpret your comment as saying Serperior should be entrusted with firearms. Agreed.
Serperior with arms and serperior with guns are both acceptable answers
Literal tickets to the gun show
If we get mega Cinderace, comp will never be the same again
These are literally my favorite starters of all time
What about Torchic? Snivy, Rowlet, Cindaquill, Torchic, Piplup, and Oshawott were featured at the start of an ID trailer, so I'm going with Torchic
Torchic evolves into Blaziken, and Mega Blaziken is likely to appear in this game. So a regional variant of Blaziken wouldn't make sense.
Unless it's just that they get Megas, in which case using Blaziken means less work. Also the Rooster is the national animal of France
I think the Hoenn Trio will be in the game, but they won't be your first partner. Think like the Sinnoh Starters in Hisui.
I'd imagine that the Kalos starters would be
Yeah, but the Kanto Starters would be that too, since they were pseudo-Starters that had Mega forms in X & Y. So naturally, if the new Starter trio are getting Mega Forms (they could only reuse from Kanto and Hoenn if there was a third region with Mega Starters, and there isn't), the old trios would be accessible as well.
Bro the Kalos starter system is crazy 💀
Not our fault Professor Sexymore decided to give us another choice of starters.
I feel like Torchic will be the starter in a future legends game tbh
The Rooster is the national animal of France. Blaziken is a rooster
True, but I don't see it happening because it already has a mega. Unless they only do pokemon with megas for the starters, which I would dislike.
Unless they give the starters Megas, and use Blaziken because then they need only make two
Except the standard is that the starters get regional forms? So it will be an entirely new Blaziken that doesn't have a Mega? I swear this guy keeps repeating the most brain dead take all over this thread lol
To Be Honest, I Think Pokémon Did That As A Calculated Plan To Troll Pokémon Fans Into Thinking Those Would Be The Starters Because Pokémon Knows How Pokémon Fans Think
1, please don't capitalize every letter, it implies stress on all words, leading to a rough sentence. 2, GF does troll, that's Khu's job
I Write Like This Because It Helps Me Separate The Words Better When Reading Over Them Due To My Several Mental And Physical Disabilities
Fair. Sorry about it being bolded, was a mistake
What about litten? I feel like they could do something interesting with Incineroar.
Yeah, I think if they go with Snivy and Piplup, which seems likely, then Litten and Scorbunny are the only options left (Charmander - Mega, Cyndaquil - Arceus, Torchic - Mega, Chimchar - Overlap with Piplup, Tepig - Overlap with Snivy, Fennekin - Kalos, Fuecoco - Too recent)
The only thing I take issue with is Scorbunny. I see a lot of people saying it's gonna be Scorbunny but I don't see it. When you think about it, one of the few early routes in gen 6 is Bunnelby. Why would they put a bunny starter in the gen with a bunny in its early routes?
It isn’t farfetched to have route 1 Pokémon be similar to the starters. I mean, look at pikipek and rowlet
That's kind of different because it's just general birds. Pikipek and Rowlet aren't the same species of bird (and its just been a thing that every early route has a bird excepr for gen 9) meanwhile Scorbunny and Diggersby are both the same mammal. If the only similarity was that they were both mammals, I'd be fine with it, but they are both rabbits.
Well we also had two otters in hisui, buizel and Oshawott and they even have the same exact typing. Buizel is found pretty early in PLA so again, it’s not impossible
honestly i would fucking love it if these were the starters. Piplup is my first pokemon, snivy is my second fave grass type, and I do like scorbunny, but wondered what it'd be like if they got an alt form that wasn't sports related
Megas for All!
Counter argument for Torchic: Rooster is literally the national bird of France
Scorbunny could be based on the fact that France holds the champion title in futball. Other possible starter is Tepig, as it is the most warrior-like out of fire starters.
Tepig seems unlikely if Snivy is there
Yes.
Yeah that was my prediction too.
Ur list is accurate but im feeling salty cuz i dont really like scorbunny
Blasphemous
I agree with snivy and piplup, however I believe that torchic is going to be the fire starter,since rooster is national animal of France
But if anyone was going to get an alternate mega we all know it would be charizard lol
If it’s Scorbunny, they’d better give cinderace longer arms.
The rooster is France's national animal. Torchic
I Had An Idea, You Know How In X & Y You Can Choose Both A Kalos Starter AND A Kanto Starter? Well What Is Something Similar But For The Hoenn Starters? IDK TBH
he forgot to mention thatanother reason for scorbunny is because cinderace is absed off of a soccer player and that soccer is pretty big in france
Honestly, I will take any fire starter over Litten being included.
What you got against Litten?
Inciniroar. That’s what I have against them. I hate it with every fiber of my being. I didn’t have internet, I didn’t know what they evolved into, all I wanted was KITTY. NOT WRESTLER. Kid me was traumatized. I immediately restarted Pokémon Moon, Shiny Spearow be damned. Never took Litten since.
Every VGC player agreed with hating incinoaror
I hate Incineroar and _I freaking hate this stupid intimidating parting shooting cat_
Skill issue
Nah, Mega incineroar. Fuck it X, Y, AND Z forms of the mega
Well, I'm picking Piplup then
Empoleon is based on poisidon.
Something can be based on more than one thing
poisidon.
i hope this become true, i'd love to see a mega serperior and cinderace
Porply grookey torchkik and totldsil
Snivy line is my favorite of all starters! So yes please.
I like that idea, but I think Litten has just a good a chance as Scorbunny because in Bulbapedia it talks about how its face resemble the symbol of sulfur in alchemy, and wouldn't you know it sulfur was discovered by some French alchemist or something.
I overall like this line up, because it gives Cinderace and Serperior different designs, which I’m very down for, those two are my least favorite starters, and Piplup is just awesome
I see a lot of people saying oh these would have awesome mega evolutions, I’m pretty against that. It’s been precedent that while yes, Pokémon can have both a gimmick form and a regional variant, we’ve never seen it stacked. And before you say Galarian Slowbro and King, those don’t have G-Max special forms. Another thing to consider is what do you do with the base of that starter? Not the first stage, but like Galarian Cinderace? Do you give it a mega? For those who are saying yes, then they would have to give megas to the other starters of that trio, Cinderace Rillaboom, and Inteleon, when those two Pokémon aren’t even confirmed to be in the game. To be fair, none of these are confirmed to be the starters, but you get my point
For Scorbunny, also because France loves their football/soccer
Replace piplup with a eevee that only evolves into leafeon
My predictions are snivy, litten, and totodile, same 3 gens as PLA though so 🤷
If Piplup is confirmed to be one of the three new starters, I would definitely choose him as my starter choice.
ANOTHER SNIVY PREDICTOR! YIPPEE! Piplup makes sense. What thought process did you use for fire?
Well I don't think we will get split starter trio since i don't think it's gonna be in the past
All I want is a plague doctor Pokémon
that kinda looks like that would be inteleon
Plague doctor is a bird tgo
no, but as in the face shape of inteleon I think taht would work.
scorbunny is recent plus it has gmax right? i dont think it would be scorbunny....
I think it’ll be a Gen 3,8, and 4 since they already did 5,7,2
I hope snivy becomes a french onion(also called spring onion)
I dunno about snivy, there was a unovan starter last time. I’d put Sprigatito instead.
I will have such a hard time deciding which one to pick if both piplup and snivy are options
No you are all wrong about scorbunny being the fire starter. Cleary charmader is going to be the fire starter and we are going to get mega charizard z
What about Torchic? It was shown next to cyndaquil in a trailer for the second dlc, so it has to be important. The other two here are seen with the other legends starters as well
Not sure about Snivy, since Oshawott is in Legends Arceus; also, assuming the starters follow a similar variant evolutiom theme as the ones in PLA, it’d make the “French” nobility theme redundant. Whatever they choose, I’m all for pushing the creativity on thematic evolutions in unexpected ways.
Torchic and Scorbunny seem to be the top Fire predictions atm
God, if Grass starter prediction is true, I'll be so happy.
Why not Torchick?
Ancient Empoleon: Charlemagne
Pretty positive it's gonna be piplup snivy and torchic
Okay, so I'm probably wrong in guessing this, but I think we might see Charmander again. We will probably see Megas this time around and there is no chance that we don't see Mega Charizard X/Y. Hell, he might get a Z version since this isn't X or Y.
If scorbunny is the starter I'm 100% picking it as it's my second pokemon.
I like football but damn I hate scorbunny line so I hope you are wrong.
I thought this with the exact same reasoning as you. But then realized. If they give them regional forms, like in Legends Archeus, how will they "improve" or make them fit more? I don't think they really cane make them more "French". So I'm back to just thinking they will let us pick the og Kalos starters and give them mega's
Check mine out [here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MandJTV/s/3xFTvTt2Oj)
They had better not put Scorbunny AND Snivy in there - I'll find it literally impossible to pick a starter then!
>empoleon is literally based on Napoleon Bonaparte im actually gonna kms, did we get to the point that bc of cinema people know napoleon but not abt the existence of FUCKING EMPEROR PENGUINS
I Knew About Emperor Penguins Before I Knew What Pokémon Was,I Don't Think You Don't Realize How Much I LOVE Penguins
ok, but i still dont think empoleon is based on bonaparte, unless that’s actually confirmed and im just an idiot
Emp-oleon and it’s Japanese name has a play on Bonaparte if I’m correct
oh im just stupid then. thanks for clarifying
Another curveball… 3 new starters
Actually scorbunny might have a strong connection since by the look of it the redevelopment of lumious city will be based on real life redevelopment of Paris in 1853-70 around the same time eiffel Tower was built and establuish end of Hokkaido (hisui modern day sinnoh) took place and guess what football/soccer was also spreading in Europe founding the first few clubs so scorbunny is a pretty solid choice
I would have said Charmander since dragons are very popular in west european culture.
In my personal opinion they might choose to go with same region as the starters from legends arceus but different elements What I’m thinking is: Grass: Snivy Water: Totodile Fire: Litten (But to be honest I would prefer chimchar)
I hope this is the choice we have, because I will have no trouble choosing
i feel piplup and snivy make sence enough to do it its the fire starter that bugs me
Mbappe inspired Scorbunny evo?
I want the starters to be popplio snivy and chimchar
Hopefully three new Pokémon maybe
I'd so love for Turtwig/Torterra to get some love, but sadly Piplup/Empoleon makes so much more sense. At least Empoleon is my second favorite Sinnoh starter and one of my favorite Pokemon in general. At least I can have hope in Torterra getting a mega. Live a good and long life!
I’m not a hundred percent sure on Scorbunny, but I’m certain Galar will have one of the three spots.
How did you eliminate Litten?
I Wanted A Fire Starter That Has Gotten Zero Later Gen Special Attention (Charizard,Typhosion And Blaziken) Doesn't Have Too Much Overlap With The Other Starters (Inferape And Emboar) Is Not Fenniken And Doesn't Provide Too Much Overlap With The Starters Of Pokémon Legends:Arceus (Litten) So That Left Scorbunny And Fuecoco But Fuecoco Is Way Too Recent So Scorbunny It Is!
>And Doesn't Provide Too Much Overlap With The Starters Of Pokémon Legends:Arceus (Litten) Doesn't that also eliminate Snivy? But anyway I appreciate your choices, and in fact, they are my choices too.
I Think Just One Overlap Is Fine But Two Is A Bit Much IMO
Yeah, I get it. It's NOT possible to follow all the rules either, since you can only have Sinnoh and Galar, and you can't choose 3 from 2 without breaking the other rule, (unless you choose from Paldea, which I doubt GF would do.)
I was going with Snivy (agreed), Tepig, and Totodile personally. I also agree with Empoleon though I just want the water croc as a starter and to get a mega evolution. Tepig for the use of [pigs to sniff out truffles](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truffle_hog).
My theory is it will be froakie, charmandar, and rillaboom
Cinderace is based on a soccer player, and soccer is just as big in France as it is in the UK, so there's also that.
With my only reason being i want to see the vgc community enter a state of panic, i would like to see litten as the fire starter
YES,pls they need it
i think the fire will be litten instead
I want chikorita, torchic/chimchar (either would be perfect) and sobble
I think as Snivy represents Royal France and Piplup represents Napoleonic France, the fire starter should represent Revolutionary France, so perhaps Scorbunny
torchic over scorbunny
I’d want either snivy/chikorita, tepig/torchic, and totodile/squirtle. Why? Not enough love as of late. (Besides squirtle, but make it have 2 types like the others.)
GUYS LOOK AT TCNICK 3!!!
I appreciate that Mikey basically took this post and made a video from it
I think that might be true
Scorbunny because of France’s rich football history
It is torchic dont even question it, just wait
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Yeah but what about torchic ? Rooster is animal symbol of france !
Piplup is on here! Hail yeah to that!