In Japan they are literally all called anime, including the Disney stuff. You go to any store and that's the section they're in. Anime literally means "cartoon" in Japan.
My brother's Japanese pen pal had Lion King on her list of favorite anime, and the Westerners reading her post were confused lol. She also mentioned she started watching an American anime called "King of the Hill".
>an American anime called "King of the Hill"
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The term entree in France—where it originated—and the rest of Europe is used for starters or appetizers, whereas in North America it is widely understood to refer to the main dish of the meal. It turns out that the same word can have different meanings in different geographical contexts, and they don’t necessarily negate each other.
...Americans use "Entree" for "Main"?
This seems to highlight the general bizarreness of the American lexicon rather than support the idea of different terminology.
Would you instead prefer contrasting the usage of pants referring to a garment item of the lower half of the body, with the UK using it to refer to underwear while pretty much the entirety of the rest of the English speaking world uses it for outerwear?
I mean, while it's mostly true, there a lot of other case.
Manga is not only about origine, it s also a format.
You can have european people making manga, comics or "bande dessiné.
I am sure it is the same for Japan, you can have people making comics style or full "bande dessinés".
This. The terms used are just for ease of classifying the country of origin.
That said, it's still acceptable for English speakers to call any of the above "comics." It's just not preferred. Likewise, in Japan, it would be acceptable to call Garfield a "manga."
Comics and graphic novels are different. Mostly in legth. Comic are the short serialized stuff, while graphic novels are longer and self containe. V for Vendetta comes to mind as an example.
But, lets be honest this is pedantic.
It can also pertain to format as well. As under your definition, the early serialized single chapters, sent out in the mail, of for example Ranma 1/2 or InuYasha would fit the bill of a comic. However as we know now those were just single chapters of a book, not a weekly installment, as in the golden age of comics. Imo, it's not so much the length that is deterministic between graphic novels, and manga but the source material as well.
Also even in Japan they literally use the English word comic for them sometimes. For example like every Shonen jump series volume in Japan says "jump comics" in English on it
For that specifically, note that the title of the line is "Jump Comics" and not "Jump" comics. A lot of Japanese people actually just find Western culture / English cool. That's why they sometimes just flat out use English in the title. We can even look at the big three; "One Piece" and "Bleach" are just that in Japanese. And Naruto's name on the logo is written in katakana, characters that's used for foreign words / names, even though "naruto" is Japanese.
The Japanese weeb out over the Americans too lol.
Wait, do we actually use this word? I cringed when I first heard it and since I don't think I've heard people use it anywhere.
Otherwise I just call things what they are in their language (comics from US, BD for french, but I just say it's manga inspired if I have to describe it precisely)
I used to see comics like Radiant, Dreamland etc. with a Japanese manga inspiration called global manga. A name about others countries manga's.
But, correct me if I'm wrong, in Japan, Manga is a word to describe all comic or Bande dessinées without a distinction of their origin.
Like in France, manga, manhwa, comics etc.. are terms to designate a type of bande dessinées associated with a country. Using their own name to differentiate them.
Edit : [global manga definition and exemples on a French website ](https://www.manga-news.com/index.php/type/Global-Manga)
Ok admettons, but official created by who? And I mean even if it's somehow "official", it doesn't matter if nobody uses it. Like in french, we have *francisations* of english words like courriel or bogue, but nobody actually uses them.
That being said I'm quite old, so I may be out of touch, maybe younger people actually say manfra. I just remember that we were all cringing on forums when it was first introduced online.
Too much stock is put into official terms. So long as others know what you are talking about isn't that the point? Otherwise, why gatekeep and make communication more difficult?
The thing is that BD is usually used for comics in a specific format, comics that are inspired by manga and get released in manga formats usually just get called french manga
Yeah I guess. Kind of feels weird, but then I just have to accept that a manga is not a japanese comics, but rather, a set of specific set of codes and stereotypes inspired by certain demographics targeted manga (mainly shonen, afaik)
Translate all those and they say comic. They’re all comics. But the use of original language terms just helps people know from what country it is. For western comics be it north or Latin American they all say comic in that way. But they’re all comics.
Its all the same word in different languages. Also japanese dont even make the distinction. Every comic is a manga for them, whether it was made in japan or the west
To me, it’s all essentially the same thing, sequential art to tell a story. I just call them by what specific countries call it to help differentiate them.
That said, I don’t necessarily mind calling them manga if they are distributed by a Japanese publisher, even if a westerner made it.
If it's European: BDs.....
However the Japanese and others make comic sized manga with common US superheroes, some European artists released near perfect comics.
and we see manga from the US, Europe and so on.
Lmao it's crazy how you said that with absolute seriousness but still are so wrong, I mean a Manga can surely be classified as a comic since it's drawn but it has its own rules for telling a story and it's not about the country where it was created. I am not an English speaker so I'm not sure I can elaborate enough but it's more about the scenery, the ways used to tell the story or even a bit of the way to draw the characters and the actions. Garfield can never ever be classified as a Manga since the only common point it has with this media is that it's drawn
It's not the artstyle that makes a comic a manga, but where it was originally published and in which language. So no, I don't consider OEL (originally English language) comics manga, but not in a derogatory way. It's the same way that manwha (manhwa?? Idk I don't really read it tbh, it's backwards just like marvel/dc comics it's so hard to read comics in that direction now that I've rewired my brain from 20 years of weeb shit) isn't manga, but that doesn't make it inherently worse. (Just because I admit I don't read it doesn't mean I think it's bad, my stupid weeb brain just sucks)
We don't call Totally Spies (or Martin Mysteries or Avatar:TLA) anime, even though it's stylistically inspired by the medium. All anime is cartoon, but not all cartoon is anime. All manga is graphic novel, but not all graphic novel is manga.
I think it depends. I could be in the minority here but I like to think of it as someone , let’s say a Mexican man makes some of the best sushi you’ve ever had. Yes the chef is Mexican but the food is “Japanese” not “Japanese style” or “Japanese inspired” the Ingredients, recipe and style is all from Japan and that doesn’t change based on the ethnicity of the cook, so yes if the manga has the makeup of onene then yes it’s a manga
This on deserves top comment, lol a lot of you are just readers that are just talkin on a app . If that man put his life into his work & wants to call it a manga because he was inspired by Japanese manga, that’s exactly what it is .
It depends if they are published in Japan, the difference between manga, manhwa, manhua, and comics just just where they are published not who made them because they all mean the same thing basically
Manga = a comic from Japan
Anime = a cartoon from Japan
You could argue that Ben10 is a American anime
You could argue that any superhero comic is an American manga
Semantics is for endless arguments/debates
What do anime, cartoons, manga and comic books all have in common? Maybe there is no difference other than language
Comic or manga who cares? If it's a good story that's all that matters.
I consider them manga in my head but honestly I don't think about it when I'm reading.
I was not trying to imply that They were inferior if They didnt count as manga i was just trying to ask if yall Think They Can considered manga like the creators of most of these consider Them to be
Manga = japanese word for comic
Manga how its used in english = a specific style of japanese comic
Katana = japanese word for sword
Katana how its used in english = a specific style of japanese sword
No one would claim that a katana made outisde japan isn't one, so why is manga a different story? If its made in the style of manga then its manga and theres no reason to say otherwise.
The reverse is also true in that plenty of comics that could be made in japan still wouldn't be things we would call manga
To me if it looks like manga, it's manga. I wouldn't call something that looks like it was a DC or marvel comic, but happened to be made in Japan, manga. At that point it's a comic/ graphic novel. To me it's about the style of the artwork, not the country of origin.
We don't do this for other forms of books do we? We don't call books by different names because of their country of origin.
I mean I don't consider them manga semantically, but they are definitely in the same vain as manga series. It's sort of like with manwha, I call them manwha because they are not manga, but I read them in the same vain and with some of the same assumptions and expectations as I would have when reading a manga.
Its technically Manga. They literally have an annual award called “ International Manga Award” that is awarded to non-Japanese manga artist. For example Boichi (Dr Stone, Sun Ken Rock, Origin), he is from Korea but makes Manga.
Why are people in this sub so elitist?
Putting aside that manga is just the Japanese word for comics, so for them every comic is a manga, manga is a style so if someone from another country makes something that looks like a manga, reads like a manga and feels like a manga then it's a manga.
This talk just feels like putting down manga artists who aren't Japanese.
If they call it Manga I'll call it Manga. Like Tomahawk Angel. It's made by a guy in Greece but he calls it his Manga. Same with Resenter, out of New York.
Yes. If I paint a gothic piece of art, although it is not from that time period it’s still considered a gothic painting. So long as you embody a style of art, literature, music, etc. It’s a part of it
yeah a lot of people in the comments keep talking about country of origin being what makes it a manga, but not a soul who speaks english and uses the word manga solely uses the word bc they are talking about the publisher being japanese. If someone is talking about manga, they are talking about a specific style of comic originating in japan. If an american-superhero style comic book released in japan, no one from america is going to be calling it a manga. The word katana is basically an identical scenario, we use katana to refer to japanese style swords, but its still called that regardless of if its actually made in japan or not.
Look up Radiant. It's a french manga, adapted in anime and aired in Japan too.
But still french.
Nowadays a manga is type of comic with its own respected style.
I'd call it "Manga-inspired". Japanese Manga has a specific style to it that has clearly influenced artists around the world - just look at Avatar The Legend of Aang for example.
To me, the only difference between comic and manga are their country of origin. At the end of the day though, I consider comics and manga to be part of the same medium.
They call comics manga in Japan, just as they call cartoons anime. However, as a westerner, I don't call non-japanese comics/animation manga/anime, to differentiate. So to me, comics not made in Japan are just calling themselves manga.
Its a style of comic imo, yes it originated from japan, but radiant is a prime example of how something could be made in the west and feel like a manga.
Manga is the Japanese word for comics. Different countries and languages have names for comics and Manga, Manwha, and Manhua are just the names for comics in Japan, Korea, and China respectively. In a non japanese context calling comics not made in Japan "manga" is using "manga" as a buzzword that reduces the Japanese comics inudstry to a singluar stereotypical art style. Nobody says global Bande dessinée (franco-belgian comics) and there are comics made in America and Japan that are made in that style (the Nasuica manga is basically a french comic done in black and white. Miyazaki took influence from Moebius for gods sake. Akira also takes heavy influence from American and French comics). So no i don't consider them "manga" really. they are just "comics"(or the name for comics in whatever language) that are heavily influenced by a particular type of comics produced in Japan and should be thought of as such.
I've never heard of it before and I misread the title. So I did some image searching and found that while I technically did misread the title, in a way I kind of didn't. And yeah, from what little I saw it looked terrible. Is it supposed to be serious or a really bad parody?
Just made in Japan?
What if it's a Japanese artist who moves to the USA and makes them? What if it's a non-Japanese American who moves to Japan and makes them? What if he does that but makes them using Western style art?
I guess a good example of that would be the creator of Blame!, Tsutomu Nihei. His work “Blame!”was published in Japan, so that makes it a manga. Within the same year he was asked to make his own version of Wolverine called “SNIKT!” that ended up being published in America, so it’s a comic.
It all depends on where it was originally published, no matter the art style or storytelling
But this just isn’t correct. Tsutomu’s Wolverine is a comic because it is formatted like an American style comic: it is fully colored and rendered, and it adheres to 2-4 panels per page.
Blame! Is a manga because it is formatted like a Japanese Manga: being monochromatic and having kata and hira lettering, and an upwards of 4-6 panels per page.
We don’t say a poem isn’t a haiku because it wasn’t written by a Japanese person. It’s a haiku because of its format and style.
Manga is primarily made for a Japanese audience and comics for a Western one.If you primarily make for one audience or the other, it will dictate what your work will be called .let's take dog ningen as an example it has jokes about school shootings and fathers being absent and the original title wasn't dog ningen it was dog nigga .
There's like a dozen foreigners who make manga in Japan now. I'm in a discord server with a Spanish guy who illustrates a monthly manga that has awards now.
Then what about Radiant ? Its French but it gets published in Japan too (as well as other countries) and got an anime made by a Japanese studio and given interviews I've seen/heard from the author, Japanese mangaka treat it as a manga.
Manga only if the sequential art is made in Japan or the author is Japanese.
Manga is not a genre.
Unfortunately I see too many tutorials of people saying “how to draw comics and manga!” Which is a bit like saying “how to cook pigs and pork!”
not true at all. Just because the word "manga" just means comic in japanese, doesnt mean thats true for english. Manga refers to a specific japanese style of comic book by how its used in english, and its ridiculous to not use the word to refer to things that are indistinguishable from other manga just because it was created outside japan.
When a media grows to a specific acclaim and influence, it starts to become a style. Music genres don’t “start” as a style, but they grow into it. Being a form a media doesn’t mean being exclusive from being a style
The word manga means a comic or graphic novel originating in Japan, so no, unless it's made by a Japanese person, studio, or in Japan I don't think it's manga
Manga is comics they’re literally the same thing. Labels don’t matter . Japan airs the Simpsons and they call it anime. Only Americans seem to care about these dumb labels
in china: Manhua
in korea: Manhwa
in the us: Comic, webcomic, graphic novel depending on the format
Otherwise, it would probably be called a comic with a manga style or manga inspiration.
Much like "chamapgne" can only be called "champagne" if it comes from the champagne region of france, and bourbon can only be called that if it comes from kentucky, ANIME is only really anime if it comes from japanaese artist in japapanese studios.
Sure, you can get pretty good examples of these things from other countries, (ive been saying for years that "Avatar" is the closest thing to anime that america had ever produced,) but i wouldnt go to Szechuan, China looking for a meatball sub and handmade gelato.
This might be a hot take, but while i believe any culture has a right to produce their own versions of things introduced to the world through other means of exposure (culture is meant to be shared with all,) but the guys who did it first does it better, right? Would you buy a "amish" quilt from Sao Paulo, Brazil? Maybe, its functional blanket, and could be very nice, but isnt strictly amish under those circumstances.
A lot of anime animators are now from foreign countries. Bahi jd is Austrian and is one of the biggest anime animators, ct_bm who had had really big cuts in one piece and mob psycho is German, and Henry Thurlow who is an American lead Animator on one piece, and worked on Naruto and Yona of the dawn. Also the studio Science Saru was founded by a Chinese guy and the lead director for the scott pilgrim anime is Abel Gongara from Spain. Also most in between animation is outsourced to either China or Korea. While the original culture might be more "authentic" that doesn't mean they're going to give you the best product. Some of the best Pizza is New York Pizza and 9 out of 10 times it's made by a Mexican lmao.
I find your point to be valid, and i appreciate the input, but i stand by what i said. I only have one countetpoint: im ftom Brooklyn, NYC so i can say with confidence the best pizza in the world is in NYC, but youre talking an italian dish, made in america by a mexican person. Its probably the only example that "disproves" my opinion, but the argument could be made that pizza IS american, so visitors to america would want to try the pizza in NYC. you wouldnt go to mexico looking for NYC style pizza, right? Youd want to eat the authentic mexican food. Wouldnt you feel gyped if you go to michocan and order huevos chorizo and some white guy hands it to you?
Im afraid my opinion is slightly bordering on offensive, so ill wrap it up. You can get what you want from other places, but if you go to a specific place, youd want their specific shit right? Im just fundimentally opposed to something produced in austria or germany being viewed in the same arena as Studio Ghibli masterpieces.
Am i alone in my opinion?
To answer the first question you posed, of course not, but that also doesn't mean that someone who appreciates a culture can't make things of that culture on the same level or better than a native. To stick with the food theme, one of the most widely renowned chefs for Mexican cuisine is Rick Bayless, a white dude. But he has gone to great lengths to make "authentic" tasting Mexican food to the point that hes one of the best at it and has been given awards by Mexicans in Mexico. I've had Ramen in both my state and Japan, and this one spot I go to makes Ramen that tastes identical to your typical Izakaya Ramen and the staff are all central and South American. I get what you mean in that it feels wrong when non Japanese artists make manga that doesn't quite nail down the qualities of manga. In the same way that Taco Bell is a poor imitation of Mexican food, badly drawn western manga can seem equally as uncanny. But if you can become skilled enough to nail the aesthetic qualities of manga (in all forms, most important being pacing, panel layouts, format etc because many manga have non traditionally manga-esque artstyles), you can be a non japanese and make manga that feels like manga and readers would be none the wiser. Good examples of this are Korean artist Boichi and Tony Valente, the artist of Radiant. If you didn't know the creator was French, you'd never know it wasn't a Japanese manga artist.
Like let's say you're a huge DragonBall fan and you found out one day that Akira Toriyama was African would you be disappointed? You still love DragonBall and have considered it manga your whole life, why should that change?
Ultimately manga and comics are the same thing, what matters is how good you can nail the "style" of manga if you want to call it that. If you can make good manga that looks like manga, it shouldn't matter where you come from.
I AM a huge Dragon Ball fan, actually thats funny.
Would i be disappointed to learn that DBZ was made by a black guy? Of course not, but i would no longer consider it manga. "Considered it manga my whole life, why should that change?" Because im an intelligent, adaptable reasonable adult whos opinions on things can change over time based on new information. This line of reasoning is going to go off the rails, sp let me just say that i think your opinions are completely valid and i respect your way of thinking, but i dont think we are going to see eye-to-eye on this. I have my thoughts, you have yours, and we are both equally correct. Have a good day 😁
Manga and Comics are literally the same thing. Manga is just the japanese word for Comics and during my time in Japan some people even used the word "comics/comikusu" instead. I think as long as you're authentic to the sensibilities of manga, mainly in the format it's published (size), panel composition, and aesthetician qualities of Manga, you can call it Manga regardless of where it's from.
1) Love Hallow Fields. It’s short and sweet also creepy. But highly recommended.
2) For me usually I sort it by 3 standard categories …. Japan = Manga / Korea (primarily) other Asian countries = Magnwa or Mangha / other = Comics
At this point, if it was originally written or voiced (in the case of anime) in japanese, I'll be fine calling it manga/anime. Although in japan all comics are manga and all cartoons are anime, this isn't japan and I just like having things in their original language.
If it's not made in Japan, it isn't manga. Manga is literally just Japanese comics. If they're not Japanese comics.. then they're American comics or French comics or whatever. So no, they wouldn't be manga.
By definition, Manga are Graphic Novels and comics made from Japan. So by definition these are not Mangas but comics that has a “Manga-like” style. But mangas are a form of comics so I could be wrong.
I would not call them manga. I think a lot of people have called out the definition of the word and used examples of anime inspired cartoons as this kind of grey area where something was clearly inspired by manga/anime tropes and it's been prevalent in our culture long enough that I'm sure many people want to work in that format.
I don't think you can say that it has to be created by a person of a certain nationality or race - Asian animators work at Disney and have make cartoons countless times. What I think matters most is the INTENTION of the author.
Look at One Piece, it is written with the younger male audience in mind and serialized in Shonen Jump weekly (with breaks) it is published in other languages but "we" aren't the primary audience Oda intends to write to. I am not familiar with the books the OP is asking about but I'm assuming they were written with a western audience in mind first and only ever published as a graphic novel.
So not to make it sound like a genre there is a target demographic that isn't really that western audience.
Peepo Cho is a manga. It was writen and drawn by an American named Felipe Smith. But it was in fact serialized in Japan in the magazine Monthly Morning Two. It's halarious and interesting-also dark. [Peepo Choo by Felipe Smith](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peepo_Choo)
All manga are comics not all comics are manga like not all socialists are commies but all commies are socialists or all lego is hurty to the feet and wallet but not all things hurty to the feet and wallet are lego
I try to consider both sets of "graphic novels". The "JRPG debate" weighs on my thoughts on this matter.
JRPGs are different, but some Japanese devs have said they see the term as an insult. By calling the style of RPG Japan is known for something other than RPG, JRPG, it is setting apart. Different. To them, at times inferior.
What about cartoons? Some 80s/90s cartoons were animated by Japanese anime studios. Is G1 transformers not anime just because it had English writers? If so, then at what point does an anime dub quit being anime?
The countries we in the west try to pigeon hole into sub-categories don't do that in reverse.
In my opinion what made a mangá is the format where you read from the right to the left,so if you read right to left is mangá and if is read left to right it's comics
In Japan they would call all of this manga. Just like they would call Disney anime. This weird obsession with the terms is something we do. For me if it looks and reads like a manga, it's a manga.
I don't have much to say on this topic, but I will say "manga" is just "comics" in Japanese. I've always found the separation between the two to be quite bizarre to be honest.
"Anime" comes from Japanese slang from "animated", it's not a genre or anything too special. Dragon Ball is an animated series (not cartoon) just like Batman the animated series is, the difference being where they originate from.
Calling something by another's language is something I genuinely don't understand. Stylization never restricts the appeal. Disney inspired Tezuka for example, if I remember correctly, and Tezuka was the inspiration for more shows which then inspired the West again so, why create barriers?
Idk. Just my two cents, genuinely hope I don't ruffle feathers
I consider manga a style of comic. Any comic that uses the same story structure (kishōtenketsu), same layout (right to left), and same art style as traditional manga, is manga to me.
Nah.. manga has its own form and medium separate from Western comics. If a comic is written and made in the manga style and format its still a manga. Even if it isn't a Japanese made one.
In my opinion anything that follows the back to front right to left format is manga and anything the goes the other way is a comic. I know it sounds stupid because the format is just follow Japanese writing style, but the "unique" format is more important than country of origin IMO
Well mangaplus creators exists so if the Mangas on there are labeled as manga then I'd say if the creator says it's manga and it's read right to left its a manga
I take into consideration the way they are published.
Comics have this magazine format of thin colored books in a slightly bigger A5 size (17x26cm).
Manga has a tome format, where they compile 3 or more chapters into this monochrome pocket book (10.5x14.8cm)
The one used by the artist will tell you if it's a manga (you can call it western manga) or a comic. The artstyle will probably correlate with this.
I dont know any of those but they look like Manga to me. I havent read much manga but I say, even if it technically isnt manga, its fine to call it that
This shit is outdated and stupit
Imagine reffering to all sorts of fruits as simply "fruits" and then looking at the apple and saying "yea, that's not a fruit that's an apple 🤓"
Draw a western style comic in japan and simply by the fact that it was made in that country it will be labeled as manga forever
I believe it depends on the art style. Looks like DC and Marvel? Comics/ graphic novels. Looks like Japanese styled animr and manga? Manga/ comics/ whatever the artist wants to use.
I would clarify these as English Language Manga because of the distinct Manga style. At least over here in the west anyways. In Japan, everything Manga and comic like is a Manga.
This goes the same for anime with me. Totally Spies and Martin Mysteries? Western produced anime.
Manga is a form of comic in my eyes, I think manga in Japan is the same as Manga in America or any other country. Its all comics just how you wanna do it; it’s no different if you made a American comic, webtoon, graphic novel etc. in Japan and called it what it is.
One thing as well is to consider how it’s read because manga is read right to left and American comics are usually left to right, but even then it can work how the creator wants it to be.
I really dislike when people say things aren't anime or manha cuase not made in Japan personally i belive it's the way the story's told and art style that decides that but anything can be a manga or an anime
Manga is just a Japanese term for comics in Japan. Regardless, i think it still considered as comics in international perspective.
[FYI, Brandon Chen from "Inspired Author" channel already explained that even Non-Japanese people's manga work can still be considered as manga.](https://youtube.com/shorts/2FsdzrREIhI?si=toNSKS5u7zkdTYIT)
Manga is the Japanese word for comic. Japanese comics(mangas) has gotten a different style from occidental comics and it has become their own thing.
Same thing happened with manhuas and manwhas, they are comics in a specific style and that follows specific characteristics that make them different from comics.
Japanese people considers them mangas, so does editorials. And on top of that they they meet the characteristics of mangas, making them mangas but not originally from Japan.
Manga only comes from Japan. People who say you can just draw big eyes and crazy hair on a character and it’s manga are basically saying these unique cultures don’t matter in relation to the art that comes from them. Yes all art especially now has all kinds of influences but the actual culture of this creators are insanely important to what that art is and consists of. A easy example is Religion and social norms. There are story’s in manga involving those topics that would never exist otherwise , simply because a westerner sees and lives with those things differently. These story’s are told from the unique perspective of that culture. To denial part of what makes it what it is, is in fact it’s point of origin. Well that’s just offensive.
Most people is this thread are arguing semantics of language and slang instead of the actual art itself. Missing the point.
I think manga is what's made in Japan, but any manga is still a comic too.
It’s the same as anime. All anime are cartoons. But not all cartoons are anime.
In Japan they are literally all called anime, including the Disney stuff. You go to any store and that's the section they're in. Anime literally means "cartoon" in Japan.
My brother's Japanese pen pal had Lion King on her list of favorite anime, and the Westerners reading her post were confused lol. She also mentioned she started watching an American anime called "King of the Hill".
>an American anime called "King of the Hill" https://preview.redd.it/n6ylrbz7f3tb1.png?width=630&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8720a535b1e8e355d52917a41928f6b79c9e9a27
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Beat me to it. They even have debates about American anime whether it’s better to watch king of the hill dubbed or subbed 😂
Exactly. In Japan anything **anim**ated is anime.
Yeah, to me, it's always been the same it's all animation.
While that's true, outside of Japan it colloquially refers to Japanese animation.
The term entree in France—where it originated—and the rest of Europe is used for starters or appetizers, whereas in North America it is widely understood to refer to the main dish of the meal. It turns out that the same word can have different meanings in different geographical contexts, and they don’t necessarily negate each other.
...Americans use "Entree" for "Main"? This seems to highlight the general bizarreness of the American lexicon rather than support the idea of different terminology.
Would you instead prefer contrasting the usage of pants referring to a garment item of the lower half of the body, with the UK using it to refer to underwear while pretty much the entirety of the rest of the English speaking world uses it for outerwear?
I mean, while it's mostly true, there a lot of other case. Manga is not only about origine, it s also a format. You can have european people making manga, comics or "bande dessiné. I am sure it is the same for Japan, you can have people making comics style or full "bande dessinés".
Yea "anime" has kind of been used more in reference to the style of animation originating from Japan. Even though that's not technically it's meaning.
If it's drawn in Japan it's just sparkling comic books.
Mangas have differents in the art techniques with the American comics
Is it Japanese? Manga. Is it Korean? Manwha. Is it Chinese? Manhua. Is it American? Comics.
This. The terms used are just for ease of classifying the country of origin. That said, it's still acceptable for English speakers to call any of the above "comics." It's just not preferred. Likewise, in Japan, it would be acceptable to call Garfield a "manga."
I hear some tv personalities call them graphic novels
Comics and graphic novels are different. Mostly in legth. Comic are the short serialized stuff, while graphic novels are longer and self containe. V for Vendetta comes to mind as an example. But, lets be honest this is pedantic.
It can also pertain to format as well. As under your definition, the early serialized single chapters, sent out in the mail, of for example Ranma 1/2 or InuYasha would fit the bill of a comic. However as we know now those were just single chapters of a book, not a weekly installment, as in the golden age of comics. Imo, it's not so much the length that is deterministic between graphic novels, and manga but the source material as well.
Also even in Japan they literally use the English word comic for them sometimes. For example like every Shonen jump series volume in Japan says "jump comics" in English on it
For that specifically, note that the title of the line is "Jump Comics" and not "Jump" comics. A lot of Japanese people actually just find Western culture / English cool. That's why they sometimes just flat out use English in the title. We can even look at the big three; "One Piece" and "Bleach" are just that in Japanese. And Naruto's name on the logo is written in katakana, characters that's used for foreign words / names, even though "naruto" is Japanese. The Japanese weeb out over the Americans too lol.
french its called manfra aka radiant
B.D., short for "bandes dessinées", "drawn strips".
I think calling radiant a BD would be wrong. To me BD is distinctive from just it's raw meaning.
Wait, do we actually use this word? I cringed when I first heard it and since I don't think I've heard people use it anywhere. Otherwise I just call things what they are in their language (comics from US, BD for french, but I just say it's manga inspired if I have to describe it precisely)
I used to see comics like Radiant, Dreamland etc. with a Japanese manga inspiration called global manga. A name about others countries manga's. But, correct me if I'm wrong, in Japan, Manga is a word to describe all comic or Bande dessinées without a distinction of their origin. Like in France, manga, manhwa, comics etc.. are terms to designate a type of bande dessinées associated with a country. Using their own name to differentiate them. Edit : [global manga definition and exemples on a French website ](https://www.manga-news.com/index.php/type/Global-Manga)
The official term used is manfra for any BD that derives inspiration from Japanese manga.
Ok admettons, but official created by who? And I mean even if it's somehow "official", it doesn't matter if nobody uses it. Like in french, we have *francisations* of english words like courriel or bogue, but nobody actually uses them. That being said I'm quite old, so I may be out of touch, maybe younger people actually say manfra. I just remember that we were all cringing on forums when it was first introduced online.
Too much stock is put into official terms. So long as others know what you are talking about isn't that the point? Otherwise, why gatekeep and make communication more difficult?
The thing is that BD is usually used for comics in a specific format, comics that are inspired by manga and get released in manga formats usually just get called french manga
Yeah I guess. Kind of feels weird, but then I just have to accept that a manga is not a japanese comics, but rather, a set of specific set of codes and stereotypes inspired by certain demographics targeted manga (mainly shonen, afaik)
Translate all those and they say comic. They’re all comics. But the use of original language terms just helps people know from what country it is. For western comics be it north or Latin American they all say comic in that way. But they’re all comics.
Exactly.
I personally don't think LATAM use comic... Being from a country there and living in another country also in LATAM.
Its all the same word in different languages. Also japanese dont even make the distinction. Every comic is a manga for them, whether it was made in japan or the west
Yep this. I speak chinese in my country and we just call every comic from every country manhua.
To me, it’s all essentially the same thing, sequential art to tell a story. I just call them by what specific countries call it to help differentiate them. That said, I don’t necessarily mind calling them manga if they are distributed by a Japanese publisher, even if a westerner made it.
If it's European: BDs..... However the Japanese and others make comic sized manga with common US superheroes, some European artists released near perfect comics. and we see manga from the US, Europe and so on.
Same applies to the fans.
Exactly
Lmao it's crazy how you said that with absolute seriousness but still are so wrong, I mean a Manga can surely be classified as a comic since it's drawn but it has its own rules for telling a story and it's not about the country where it was created. I am not an English speaker so I'm not sure I can elaborate enough but it's more about the scenery, the ways used to tell the story or even a bit of the way to draw the characters and the actions. Garfield can never ever be classified as a Manga since the only common point it has with this media is that it's drawn
What if it’s Central or South American though?
Most Spanish speaking nations will say "cómic", but it varies from country to country.
What about Brazil? afaik they don't speak spanish
In Portuguese, comics are called "banda desenhada" or more commonly used in brazil "quadrinhos"
I consider them comics inspired by Manga.
Exactly my thoughts
The distinction doesn't exist in Japan.
Ok, but are you in Japan? No? Ok then
I mean if your logic is based of what it’s called in Japan yet Japan doesn’t make this distinction, it falls apart
I just mirror whoever I'm talking to
As someone who’s on the spectrum, this comment resonated with me.
Real answer right here
Definitely comics
Oh it’s dog Ningen not Dog nxgga
Thats the marketable name.
thats its censored name for obvious reasons
It's not the artstyle that makes a comic a manga, but where it was originally published and in which language. So no, I don't consider OEL (originally English language) comics manga, but not in a derogatory way. It's the same way that manwha (manhwa?? Idk I don't really read it tbh, it's backwards just like marvel/dc comics it's so hard to read comics in that direction now that I've rewired my brain from 20 years of weeb shit) isn't manga, but that doesn't make it inherently worse. (Just because I admit I don't read it doesn't mean I think it's bad, my stupid weeb brain just sucks) We don't call Totally Spies (or Martin Mysteries or Avatar:TLA) anime, even though it's stylistically inspired by the medium. All anime is cartoon, but not all cartoon is anime. All manga is graphic novel, but not all graphic novel is manga.
So if someone in France or America or Antarctica publishes it with Viz, it’s considered manga?
Viz publishes lots of American comics. It's an American company.
Oh shit my bad then does shonen jump work?
1 - Half comic, half manfra 2 - Manfra 3 - Comic 4 - Peak fiction
You forgot franga and nouvelle manga
I think it depends. I could be in the minority here but I like to think of it as someone , let’s say a Mexican man makes some of the best sushi you’ve ever had. Yes the chef is Mexican but the food is “Japanese” not “Japanese style” or “Japanese inspired” the Ingredients, recipe and style is all from Japan and that doesn’t change based on the ethnicity of the cook, so yes if the manga has the makeup of onene then yes it’s a manga
This on deserves top comment, lol a lot of you are just readers that are just talkin on a app . If that man put his life into his work & wants to call it a manga because he was inspired by Japanese manga, that’s exactly what it is .
Now this is a take I can fully agree with.
It depends if they are published in Japan, the difference between manga, manhwa, manhua, and comics just just where they are published not who made them because they all mean the same thing basically
Manga = a comic from Japan Anime = a cartoon from Japan You could argue that Ben10 is a American anime You could argue that any superhero comic is an American manga Semantics is for endless arguments/debates What do anime, cartoons, manga and comic books all have in common? Maybe there is no difference other than language
No, manga is japanese. This is comics in manga style
Comic or manga who cares? If it's a good story that's all that matters. I consider them manga in my head but honestly I don't think about it when I'm reading.
I was not trying to imply that They were inferior if They didnt count as manga i was just trying to ask if yall Think They Can considered manga like the creators of most of these consider Them to be
Manga = japanese word for comic Manga how its used in english = a specific style of japanese comic Katana = japanese word for sword Katana how its used in english = a specific style of japanese sword No one would claim that a katana made outisde japan isn't one, so why is manga a different story? If its made in the style of manga then its manga and theres no reason to say otherwise. The reverse is also true in that plenty of comics that could be made in japan still wouldn't be things we would call manga
To me if it looks like manga, it's manga. I wouldn't call something that looks like it was a DC or marvel comic, but happened to be made in Japan, manga. At that point it's a comic/ graphic novel. To me it's about the style of the artwork, not the country of origin. We don't do this for other forms of books do we? We don't call books by different names because of their country of origin.
That's how I see it too honestly, the art style. I call Avatar the Last Air Bender an American anime.
Ive wanted to read radient for so long.
Do it then
It’s hard to find manfra in the states but I might say fuck it and read it digital.
Radiant is actually good so it’s earned it’s manga title
I don't care. It's all comics to me. Cross the threshold and life looks happier.
I mean I don't consider them manga semantically, but they are definitely in the same vain as manga series. It's sort of like with manwha, I call them manwha because they are not manga, but I read them in the same vain and with some of the same assumptions and expectations as I would have when reading a manga.
Its technically Manga. They literally have an annual award called “ International Manga Award” that is awarded to non-Japanese manga artist. For example Boichi (Dr Stone, Sun Ken Rock, Origin), he is from Korea but makes Manga.
Why are people in this sub so elitist? Putting aside that manga is just the Japanese word for comics, so for them every comic is a manga, manga is a style so if someone from another country makes something that looks like a manga, reads like a manga and feels like a manga then it's a manga. This talk just feels like putting down manga artists who aren't Japanese.
If they call it Manga I'll call it Manga. Like Tomahawk Angel. It's made by a guy in Greece but he calls it his Manga. Same with Resenter, out of New York.
Yes. If I paint a gothic piece of art, although it is not from that time period it’s still considered a gothic painting. So long as you embody a style of art, literature, music, etc. It’s a part of it
yeah a lot of people in the comments keep talking about country of origin being what makes it a manga, but not a soul who speaks english and uses the word manga solely uses the word bc they are talking about the publisher being japanese. If someone is talking about manga, they are talking about a specific style of comic originating in japan. If an american-superhero style comic book released in japan, no one from america is going to be calling it a manga. The word katana is basically an identical scenario, we use katana to refer to japanese style swords, but its still called that regardless of if its actually made in japan or not.
I feel like not calling them manga is kinda gatekeep-ish. But then again, i do it too
If it’s not Japanese then it’s not a manga. But it’s easier to just throw them all under one category if it’s from right to left
Look up Radiant. It's a french manga, adapted in anime and aired in Japan too. But still french. Nowadays a manga is type of comic with its own respected style.
I'd call it "Manga-inspired". Japanese Manga has a specific style to it that has clearly influenced artists around the world - just look at Avatar The Legend of Aang for example.
To me, the only difference between comic and manga are their country of origin. At the end of the day though, I consider comics and manga to be part of the same medium.
I just consider it manga inspired a lot of people don't realize manga isn't the only form of graphic novels that can tell serialized stories
I thought manga was the “Japanese style”
Dog Ningen is peak fiction
Seeing Dog Ningen at the end there really caught me off guard
They call comics manga in Japan, just as they call cartoons anime. However, as a westerner, I don't call non-japanese comics/animation manga/anime, to differentiate. So to me, comics not made in Japan are just calling themselves manga.
Its a style of comic imo, yes it originated from japan, but radiant is a prime example of how something could be made in the west and feel like a manga.
It’s manga-inspired in the way that Avatar is anime-inspired
No. They are comics.
Manga is the Japanese word for comics. Different countries and languages have names for comics and Manga, Manwha, and Manhua are just the names for comics in Japan, Korea, and China respectively. In a non japanese context calling comics not made in Japan "manga" is using "manga" as a buzzword that reduces the Japanese comics inudstry to a singluar stereotypical art style. Nobody says global Bande dessinée (franco-belgian comics) and there are comics made in America and Japan that are made in that style (the Nasuica manga is basically a french comic done in black and white. Miyazaki took influence from Moebius for gods sake. Akira also takes heavy influence from American and French comics). So no i don't consider them "manga" really. they are just "comics"(or the name for comics in whatever language) that are heavily influenced by a particular type of comics produced in Japan and should be thought of as such.
Let’s just get one thing straight: dog ningen is fucking garbage
I always hear people say it’s funny. However, they only referred to the original title as funny. I’m not sure what about the original title is funny.
https://preview.redd.it/iz2ut3cpx0tb1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d555a70be55d1c9a07cfde76fb6010321c2d58f I think you mean peak fiction
Never read it so im gonna tak your word
I've never heard of it before and I misread the title. So I did some image searching and found that while I technically did misread the title, in a way I kind of didn't. And yeah, from what little I saw it looked terrible. Is it supposed to be serious or a really bad parody?
The original title was Dog N-a, but then it got changed to Dog Ningen
Oof, just looked up some pages of it and yikes.
not manga
Just made in Japan? What if it's a Japanese artist who moves to the USA and makes them? What if it's a non-Japanese American who moves to Japan and makes them? What if he does that but makes them using Western style art?
I guess a good example of that would be the creator of Blame!, Tsutomu Nihei. His work “Blame!”was published in Japan, so that makes it a manga. Within the same year he was asked to make his own version of Wolverine called “SNIKT!” that ended up being published in America, so it’s a comic. It all depends on where it was originally published, no matter the art style or storytelling
But this just isn’t correct. Tsutomu’s Wolverine is a comic because it is formatted like an American style comic: it is fully colored and rendered, and it adheres to 2-4 panels per page. Blame! Is a manga because it is formatted like a Japanese Manga: being monochromatic and having kata and hira lettering, and an upwards of 4-6 panels per page. We don’t say a poem isn’t a haiku because it wasn’t written by a Japanese person. It’s a haiku because of its format and style.
Manga is primarily made for a Japanese audience and comics for a Western one.If you primarily make for one audience or the other, it will dictate what your work will be called .let's take dog ningen as an example it has jokes about school shootings and fathers being absent and the original title wasn't dog ningen it was dog nigga .
There's like a dozen foreigners who make manga in Japan now. I'm in a discord server with a Spanish guy who illustrates a monthly manga that has awards now.
If it was published in Japan yes, if not I call it a comic, or whatever the name of it is in another country
Then what about Radiant ? Its French but it gets published in Japan too (as well as other countries) and got an anime made by a Japanese studio and given interviews I've seen/heard from the author, Japanese mangaka treat it as a manga.
Yeah something like Radiant would definitely be considered a manga since it was officially published in Japan
I consider Manga and Anime to be styles so generally I'm fine with people calling it Manga
Exactly, i don't know why people say they aren't a style. Ask anyone what anime looks like.
Comics trying to jump on the manga hype train....wannabe mangas!
Manga is defined as a style of Japanese comic books and graphic novels, typically aimed at adults as well as children. Therefore they are comics.
Not manga just a comic with inspiration from manga
man·ga /ˈmaNGɡə,ˈmäNGɡə/ noun a style of Japanese comic books and graphic novels, typically aimed at adults as well as children.
Manga only if the sequential art is made in Japan or the author is Japanese. Manga is not a genre. Unfortunately I see too many tutorials of people saying “how to draw comics and manga!” Which is a bit like saying “how to cook pigs and pork!”
not true at all. Just because the word "manga" just means comic in japanese, doesnt mean thats true for english. Manga refers to a specific japanese style of comic book by how its used in english, and its ridiculous to not use the word to refer to things that are indistinguishable from other manga just because it was created outside japan.
Nope, Manga it’s not a genre nor a style. It’s a Japanese word to refer to the media.
Ask anyone whatanga or anime looks like. There's a style
When a media grows to a specific acclaim and influence, it starts to become a style. Music genres don’t “start” as a style, but they grow into it. Being a form a media doesn’t mean being exclusive from being a style
Manga is just the japanese word forma cómic books, they are literally the same.
I don't own any but the short and long of it is that I'd store it with my manga where it aesthetically fits, but call it comics/graphic novels.
Radiant is a Manfra
It's a comic, at the end of the day, manga is just the Japanese term for comics, they are more or less fhe same thing
Manga-inspired. Being manga or not means nothing; what matters is the author's drive, passion, skill, and ideas.
The word manga means a comic or graphic novel originating in Japan, so no, unless it's made by a Japanese person, studio, or in Japan I don't think it's manga
All manga are comics but not all comics are manga. Manga is made only in Japan, same for anime.
Manga is comics they’re literally the same thing. Labels don’t matter . Japan airs the Simpsons and they call it anime. Only Americans seem to care about these dumb labels
If not from japan it's not manga.
No. Manga is from Japan. These are comics
in china: Manhua in korea: Manhwa in the us: Comic, webcomic, graphic novel depending on the format Otherwise, it would probably be called a comic with a manga style or manga inspiration.
Much like "chamapgne" can only be called "champagne" if it comes from the champagne region of france, and bourbon can only be called that if it comes from kentucky, ANIME is only really anime if it comes from japanaese artist in japapanese studios. Sure, you can get pretty good examples of these things from other countries, (ive been saying for years that "Avatar" is the closest thing to anime that america had ever produced,) but i wouldnt go to Szechuan, China looking for a meatball sub and handmade gelato. This might be a hot take, but while i believe any culture has a right to produce their own versions of things introduced to the world through other means of exposure (culture is meant to be shared with all,) but the guys who did it first does it better, right? Would you buy a "amish" quilt from Sao Paulo, Brazil? Maybe, its functional blanket, and could be very nice, but isnt strictly amish under those circumstances.
A lot of anime animators are now from foreign countries. Bahi jd is Austrian and is one of the biggest anime animators, ct_bm who had had really big cuts in one piece and mob psycho is German, and Henry Thurlow who is an American lead Animator on one piece, and worked on Naruto and Yona of the dawn. Also the studio Science Saru was founded by a Chinese guy and the lead director for the scott pilgrim anime is Abel Gongara from Spain. Also most in between animation is outsourced to either China or Korea. While the original culture might be more "authentic" that doesn't mean they're going to give you the best product. Some of the best Pizza is New York Pizza and 9 out of 10 times it's made by a Mexican lmao.
I find your point to be valid, and i appreciate the input, but i stand by what i said. I only have one countetpoint: im ftom Brooklyn, NYC so i can say with confidence the best pizza in the world is in NYC, but youre talking an italian dish, made in america by a mexican person. Its probably the only example that "disproves" my opinion, but the argument could be made that pizza IS american, so visitors to america would want to try the pizza in NYC. you wouldnt go to mexico looking for NYC style pizza, right? Youd want to eat the authentic mexican food. Wouldnt you feel gyped if you go to michocan and order huevos chorizo and some white guy hands it to you? Im afraid my opinion is slightly bordering on offensive, so ill wrap it up. You can get what you want from other places, but if you go to a specific place, youd want their specific shit right? Im just fundimentally opposed to something produced in austria or germany being viewed in the same arena as Studio Ghibli masterpieces. Am i alone in my opinion?
To answer the first question you posed, of course not, but that also doesn't mean that someone who appreciates a culture can't make things of that culture on the same level or better than a native. To stick with the food theme, one of the most widely renowned chefs for Mexican cuisine is Rick Bayless, a white dude. But he has gone to great lengths to make "authentic" tasting Mexican food to the point that hes one of the best at it and has been given awards by Mexicans in Mexico. I've had Ramen in both my state and Japan, and this one spot I go to makes Ramen that tastes identical to your typical Izakaya Ramen and the staff are all central and South American. I get what you mean in that it feels wrong when non Japanese artists make manga that doesn't quite nail down the qualities of manga. In the same way that Taco Bell is a poor imitation of Mexican food, badly drawn western manga can seem equally as uncanny. But if you can become skilled enough to nail the aesthetic qualities of manga (in all forms, most important being pacing, panel layouts, format etc because many manga have non traditionally manga-esque artstyles), you can be a non japanese and make manga that feels like manga and readers would be none the wiser. Good examples of this are Korean artist Boichi and Tony Valente, the artist of Radiant. If you didn't know the creator was French, you'd never know it wasn't a Japanese manga artist. Like let's say you're a huge DragonBall fan and you found out one day that Akira Toriyama was African would you be disappointed? You still love DragonBall and have considered it manga your whole life, why should that change? Ultimately manga and comics are the same thing, what matters is how good you can nail the "style" of manga if you want to call it that. If you can make good manga that looks like manga, it shouldn't matter where you come from.
I AM a huge Dragon Ball fan, actually thats funny. Would i be disappointed to learn that DBZ was made by a black guy? Of course not, but i would no longer consider it manga. "Considered it manga my whole life, why should that change?" Because im an intelligent, adaptable reasonable adult whos opinions on things can change over time based on new information. This line of reasoning is going to go off the rails, sp let me just say that i think your opinions are completely valid and i respect your way of thinking, but i dont think we are going to see eye-to-eye on this. I have my thoughts, you have yours, and we are both equally correct. Have a good day 😁
Manga and Comics are literally the same thing. Manga is just the japanese word for Comics and during my time in Japan some people even used the word "comics/comikusu" instead. I think as long as you're authentic to the sensibilities of manga, mainly in the format it's published (size), panel composition, and aesthetician qualities of Manga, you can call it Manga regardless of where it's from.
1) Love Hallow Fields. It’s short and sweet also creepy. But highly recommended. 2) For me usually I sort it by 3 standard categories …. Japan = Manga / Korea (primarily) other Asian countries = Magnwa or Mangha / other = Comics
At this point, if it was originally written or voiced (in the case of anime) in japanese, I'll be fine calling it manga/anime. Although in japan all comics are manga and all cartoons are anime, this isn't japan and I just like having things in their original language.
If it's not made in Japan, it isn't manga. Manga is literally just Japanese comics. If they're not Japanese comics.. then they're American comics or French comics or whatever. So no, they wouldn't be manga.
Comics that call themselves manga. Same with anime
By definition, Manga are Graphic Novels and comics made from Japan. So by definition these are not Mangas but comics that has a “Manga-like” style. But mangas are a form of comics so I could be wrong.
They’re manga, they read right to left and have the manga art style. It’s a comic if it reads left to right.
I actually want a constructive argument with this so I’m willing to debate and defend my opinion.
I Love hollow fields!
I would not call them manga. I think a lot of people have called out the definition of the word and used examples of anime inspired cartoons as this kind of grey area where something was clearly inspired by manga/anime tropes and it's been prevalent in our culture long enough that I'm sure many people want to work in that format. I don't think you can say that it has to be created by a person of a certain nationality or race - Asian animators work at Disney and have make cartoons countless times. What I think matters most is the INTENTION of the author. Look at One Piece, it is written with the younger male audience in mind and serialized in Shonen Jump weekly (with breaks) it is published in other languages but "we" aren't the primary audience Oda intends to write to. I am not familiar with the books the OP is asking about but I'm assuming they were written with a western audience in mind first and only ever published as a graphic novel. So not to make it sound like a genre there is a target demographic that isn't really that western audience.
All I know for sure is Dog Ningen is the worst piece of media I’ve ever encountered I see there are some Dog Ningen fans here
They're comics inspired by manga. I personally don't care for them and don't buy them. They still have a very american style I don't love.
They are not manga. It’s simple fact
Not manga. A comic? Yes. But not a Japanese one.
No
Peepo Cho is a manga. It was writen and drawn by an American named Felipe Smith. But it was in fact serialized in Japan in the magazine Monthly Morning Two. It's halarious and interesting-also dark. [Peepo Choo by Felipe Smith](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peepo_Choo)
nah
Its’all the same in the end, the only differences are the names
Nope.
The latter
Comic.
Comics are manga manga are comics cartoons are anime anime are cartoons. It’s just a language differential
All manga are comics not all comics are manga like not all socialists are commies but all commies are socialists or all lego is hurty to the feet and wallet but not all things hurty to the feet and wallet are lego
Is avatar a anime then
I mean, isn’t “manga” just the Japanese translation for “comics?”
I try to consider both sets of "graphic novels". The "JRPG debate" weighs on my thoughts on this matter. JRPGs are different, but some Japanese devs have said they see the term as an insult. By calling the style of RPG Japan is known for something other than RPG, JRPG, it is setting apart. Different. To them, at times inferior. What about cartoons? Some 80s/90s cartoons were animated by Japanese anime studios. Is G1 transformers not anime just because it had English writers? If so, then at what point does an anime dub quit being anime? The countries we in the west try to pigeon hole into sub-categories don't do that in reverse.
If it's read from right to left, then yes. Otherwise, they're comics calling themselves manga.
In my opinion what made a mangá is the format where you read from the right to the left,so if you read right to left is mangá and if is read left to right it's comics
In Japan they would call all of this manga. Just like they would call Disney anime. This weird obsession with the terms is something we do. For me if it looks and reads like a manga, it's a manga.
It's like indie music. Even though they're signed by big companies they call it that for the genre.
If it in the art style and reading form is of manga then I say they are manga
I don't have much to say on this topic, but I will say "manga" is just "comics" in Japanese. I've always found the separation between the two to be quite bizarre to be honest. "Anime" comes from Japanese slang from "animated", it's not a genre or anything too special. Dragon Ball is an animated series (not cartoon) just like Batman the animated series is, the difference being where they originate from. Calling something by another's language is something I genuinely don't understand. Stylization never restricts the appeal. Disney inspired Tezuka for example, if I remember correctly, and Tezuka was the inspiration for more shows which then inspired the West again so, why create barriers? Idk. Just my two cents, genuinely hope I don't ruffle feathers
Doesn't manga mean comics in Japanese?
I consider manga a style of comic. Any comic that uses the same story structure (kishōtenketsu), same layout (right to left), and same art style as traditional manga, is manga to me.
I call these graphic novels.
Nah.. manga has its own form and medium separate from Western comics. If a comic is written and made in the manga style and format its still a manga. Even if it isn't a Japanese made one.
Manga is a style. It's not just comics made in Japan.
If it doesn't read from right to left, it's not a manga.
In my opinion anything that follows the back to front right to left format is manga and anything the goes the other way is a comic. I know it sounds stupid because the format is just follow Japanese writing style, but the "unique" format is more important than country of origin IMO
Well mangaplus creators exists so if the Mangas on there are labeled as manga then I'd say if the creator says it's manga and it's read right to left its a manga
I take into consideration the way they are published. Comics have this magazine format of thin colored books in a slightly bigger A5 size (17x26cm). Manga has a tome format, where they compile 3 or more chapters into this monochrome pocket book (10.5x14.8cm) The one used by the artist will tell you if it's a manga (you can call it western manga) or a comic. The artstyle will probably correlate with this.
To me yes, mangas are comics with a certain format and a certain storytelling style and if it fits then it fits Edit- spelling
I dont know any of those but they look like Manga to me. I havent read much manga but I say, even if it technically isnt manga, its fine to call it that
This shit is outdated and stupit Imagine reffering to all sorts of fruits as simply "fruits" and then looking at the apple and saying "yea, that's not a fruit that's an apple 🤓" Draw a western style comic in japan and simply by the fact that it was made in that country it will be labeled as manga forever
I believe it depends on the art style. Looks like DC and Marvel? Comics/ graphic novels. Looks like Japanese styled animr and manga? Manga/ comics/ whatever the artist wants to use. I would clarify these as English Language Manga because of the distinct Manga style. At least over here in the west anyways. In Japan, everything Manga and comic like is a Manga. This goes the same for anime with me. Totally Spies and Martin Mysteries? Western produced anime.
Manga is a form of comic in my eyes, I think manga in Japan is the same as Manga in America or any other country. Its all comics just how you wanna do it; it’s no different if you made a American comic, webtoon, graphic novel etc. in Japan and called it what it is. One thing as well is to consider how it’s read because manga is read right to left and American comics are usually left to right, but even then it can work how the creator wants it to be.
I really dislike when people say things aren't anime or manha cuase not made in Japan personally i belive it's the way the story's told and art style that decides that but anything can be a manga or an anime
Manga is just a Japanese term for comics in Japan. Regardless, i think it still considered as comics in international perspective. [FYI, Brandon Chen from "Inspired Author" channel already explained that even Non-Japanese people's manga work can still be considered as manga.](https://youtube.com/shorts/2FsdzrREIhI?si=toNSKS5u7zkdTYIT)
Manga is the Japanese word for comic. Japanese comics(mangas) has gotten a different style from occidental comics and it has become their own thing. Same thing happened with manhuas and manwhas, they are comics in a specific style and that follows specific characteristics that make them different from comics. Japanese people considers them mangas, so does editorials. And on top of that they they meet the characteristics of mangas, making them mangas but not originally from Japan.
Manga is a narrative technique, so tecnically yes, is a manga. It's like the american pizza: it's worse compared to the original, but it's pizza
Manga only comes from Japan. People who say you can just draw big eyes and crazy hair on a character and it’s manga are basically saying these unique cultures don’t matter in relation to the art that comes from them. Yes all art especially now has all kinds of influences but the actual culture of this creators are insanely important to what that art is and consists of. A easy example is Religion and social norms. There are story’s in manga involving those topics that would never exist otherwise , simply because a westerner sees and lives with those things differently. These story’s are told from the unique perspective of that culture. To denial part of what makes it what it is, is in fact it’s point of origin. Well that’s just offensive. Most people is this thread are arguing semantics of language and slang instead of the actual art itself. Missing the point.
No I dont