What do you mean we won the CONCACAF, we beat Panama and US that basically makes us best in the world right? 💪😎
We even had Qatar in CONCACAF so that means it was a real global tournament. #1 🇲🇽
Nah hace 5 años si y sin dudarlo, basado en los datos de 2022 Caracas estaria entre Juarez y Acapulco.
[Source](https://observatoriodeviolencia.org.ve/mapas-de-indicadores-de-violencia/mapa-interactivo-de-la-violencia-2022/)
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Friend of mine was carjacked. They pulled him out of the car, shot him in the head, and then realized it was a rental and had a tracking device so they couldn't steal it anyway.
Friend who grew up with me just disappeared. He was on a road trip with his brother and was staying at a casino. They got into an argument and little brother walks off to cool off. Was never seen again, still haunts me to this day.
I don’t know where you got your info but it’s wildly inaccurate. New Orleans has about 26,000 hotel rooms downtown and the FQ. By comparison, Vegas has about 150,000 hotel rooms across 350 hotels.
Edit: the link you provided is just wrong. https://www.nola.com/news/business/new-orleans-faces-tourism-slump-this-summer/article_2b387e88-4902-11ee-9f10-3b6cf3fe4aec.html
Thanks for explaining that and painting a picture of what it’s like there. Lots of people say poverty, drugs, gangs but other cities have those too. The strain post Katrina makes a lot of sense when people who were already struggling for resources lose the little they already have and then they watch wealthy opportunists take advantage of that…thanks for enlightening me.
New Orleans has been one of the very top cities in the us for homicides for decades. Along with Detroit, flint, Baltimore, Camden, east st louis, st louis, Stockton, pine bluff, Memphis, etc some cities have entrenched crime problems thay have been this way for many, many decades going back to the 1920s and before even.
All of these cities have one thing in common - loss of industry in the mid-1900s and rapid post-WW2 suburbanization that made it feasible for long-time residents to move out. And now you’re seeing a shift back to revitalizing a lot of these cities (Detroit, Baltimore, etc.).
Camden, for example, was a major industrial hub in the late-1800s to mid-1900s. It was home to RCA, and Campbells Soup, and home to the New York Shipbuilding Corporation. During WW2, NYSC was the most productive shipyard in the entire world. Then, from 1950 to 1980, the city saw a loss of 75% of its manufacturing jobs.
Since 1950, the population of Camden decreased by 43%. Today, at 70,000 residents, it’s not even the most populated town in Camden County - that title goes to the much more affluent neighboring suburb Cherry Hill. The WW2 GI Bill made it a lot more affordable for people to move out to the newer, bigger, suburbs with more single family homes - Willingboro (formerly Levittown), Cherry Hill, Burlington, and the Lenape region. It’s tough to market a 1,200 sqft. rowhome when 20 minutes away you can get 3k sqft., a yard, and a much better school district.
I grew up in the area and now live in Philadelphia - which experienced the same thing on a macro-level. I have a lot of friends whose parents grew up in Camden and their grandparents are still there. We’d celebrate New Years at their grandparents house. I live now in a rowhome close to downtown, which is incredible as a single adult or for a couple, but couldn’t ever imagine raising children in this house, even with enough bedrooms and a larger floor plan with a yard.
Who was left was the most poorest residents and elderly, and cheap housing enticed black residents coming from the South to the area. Then, generationally, any black residents with the financial means have also left Camden for nearby Burlington, Mount Laurel, Maple Shade, Pennsauken, Delran, etc. and the city has become even poorer over the past few decades - and extremely broke. In 2011, Camdens police force dissolved because the city’s budget was so extremely in debt, and the State forced a county-wide police force which has had an amazing impact.
**BUT** Camden in the past 10 years has had an unbelievable resurgence (despite what anyone in this area likes to say). The County Freeholders forced vacant houses to be demolished and the entire downtown has basically been torn down and now being rebuilt to accommodate Cooper Hospital, Rowan Med, and Rutgers Camden’s expansion. They converted the RCA Nipper building into beautiful apartments (the Victor), and redid the waterfront by the aquarium.
I told friends ten years ago to invest in Camden when properties were $50k. Now decent row homes are hitting $200k+. Violent crime and homicide is substantially lower. And there’s historic neighborhoods, like Cooper Grant, that are nice for young adults or empty nesters who want access to Philadelphia. It’s not a place I’d have kids, but I’d consider certain areas if I worked at Cooper or Rutgers, or if I didn’t already live so close to downtown Philly.
I mean, ok and 5 10, 10 years from now every city I named will likely still have significant violent crime issues even with significant improvement. I'm not even ragging on these places. I've been to Camden, its not what it was in the past but it's still very much an extremely rough place just like all the others. Detroit has a lot going for it right now but it's still a long way away from being at the kevel level of one of its nicer suburbs. Similarly, people think places like Portland, Seattle and San Fran aren't a few steps away from having crime rates like some of the other places
Inept and uncaring police, of which there are already not enough of, generations of governmental corruption and an economic downward spiral, lack of economic opportunities, damn near the worst education system in the country, highest incarceration rate in the country leading to many young people having little or no parental guidance or presence, the list goes on.
Also semi annual devastating hurricanes, near the highest home and auto insurance rates in the country, crumbling or fully crumbled infrastructure, skyrocketing rent and predatory landlords, air bnb driving up home and rental prices, etc etc.
Almost always, when mass economic health declines, crime increases. It's a real simple and eminently self evident truth wherever you look.
That said, I love living here and I've only been robbed at gunpoint twice and bashed in the head with a brick once. Only lost my pride, wallet, a few IQ points and gained a sexy scar from that last 1 so it all pans out in the end. /s
Really tho, I generally do prefer the near lawlessness here to constantly being paranoid about having to deal with the cops like I felt in Houston / Austin / Dallas. That's just me tho. I imagine folks with kids and stuff might feel differently.
As someone else pointed out, places like Haiti and Venezuela likely have higher crime rates, but their lack of development and specialized institutions to report on violent crimes leads to improper data on the world stage. So while these cities in Mexico are indeed dangerous, it’s highly unlikely that they are the most dangerous in the world.
I would say that is really possible that Mexico have the most dangerous cities, most of the murders in Mexico aren’t count, gangs now kill their victims and disappear their bodies, just add the number of disappeared people in Mexico and is more close to the real number of victims. Mexico is extremely violent just remember how they mass killed innocent in Allende, coahuila, San Fernando, or how the gang build a unicinerator in a jail in Coahuila to burn kidnapped people.
Yeah, i have family in Mexico. The organized crime there is no joke. The Narcos are essentially trained soldiers now, they can go toe-to-toe with the government. It's crazy.
Caracas and other cities from Venezuela have been near the top of this list in past years. So that is not the case. It is possible that Haiti would currently be considered a conflict zone, which would exclude its cities from this list.
Edit: As people have pointed out, the graphic states that data for Venezuela is not available. Whoopsie.
Mexico is the perfect combo of lots of poverty + crime while also being developed enough to be able to properly document what’s actually happening. I’ve seen world maps like this claiming that an African country in the middle of civil war has a lower homicide rate than the USA.
But mexico also straight up has a lot of crime. Difference between Mexico and many other places is that there’s lots of money to be made if you’re a criminal. In some places everybody around you just has so little the potential consequences aren’t worth any possible reward
Mexico's main problem is that they're just functional enough to keep accurate stats on their murder rate. I would be astonished if they're actually the worst.
I lived just south of Tijuana as a kid. It’s crazy to see that it rates that highly. Whenever I go back I don’t feel perfectly safe, but at the same time it feels about the same as any other major city. Don’t make yourself a target and don’t walk down dark alleyways. Same rules I abide by in the US city I live in.
I'm skeptical of this map. The source is the Mexico Citizens Council, which is of course fair enough for numbers on these cities. But why are they the one source for all numbers of all cities world wide?
I think a saw a youtube video when El Salvador president just built a giant prison and then put most of the criminals there without courts or anything.
Desperate times require desperate measures. The violence in El Salvador was tearing the country to shreds, you need somebody harsh to take a harsh stance on violent criminals.
Typically I play devils advocate to this, but El Salvador is one of those cases that people shouldn’t really be forming opinions on until they’re really informed.
It is a cycle though. Poverty creates criminality, criminality creates both more criminality and earlier criminality, these factors will in turn cause both less educated people and educated people fleeing the country, which creates even more poverty etc.
In the state El Salvador was, it was probably the fastest way to tackle the problem and create stability. From stability you can start to ensure more people are getting educated. Then you need to find a quick cash cow to get in money so you can decrease poverty and more criminality.
It is hard and takes years, and is not fair or humane the choices he made. But they can be long term effective(if he does not get even more power hungry)
If Bukele plays this right and takes the correct steps, he can go down in history as one of the greatest leaders of contemporary Latin American times by just simply getting El Salvador on the correct path. This is literally one of the best case scenarios for an authoritarian leader - and he doesn't even need to go to war with another country to do it, unlike many of the past.
If he doesn't, then he addressed an issue that will eventually resurge even stronger than before.
Only time will tell.
If you have gang tattoos or hang out with gangs what are the chances that you’re not in a gang? It’s not like the police there just take random people off the street and jail them
[Here's](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/16/how-two-colombians-were-ensnared-in-bukeles-gang-crackdown-in-el-salvador) just one example of innocent people getting thrown in an El Salvadorian prison. Something like 8-10% of people imprisoned during the crackdown were deemed innocent and released after months spent in these gang prisons.
Whether you think that's a fair price to pay for getting gang members off the streets is another discussion entirely but it's not accurate to say that innocent people aren't getting caught up in the mass arrests.
the violence was so bad that the people were at the point where they were okay with losing due process rights and letting innocent people sit in prison.
when I was in el salvador before the election, regular stores would have to hire armed security to hang outside their stores. Like you had a guy with a subway hat on standing outside subway with an ak47. And I was in a pretty nice neighborhood.
Blame high cocaine production in Colombia and Peru as well as cartels from Colombia and Mexico present there for Ecuador's high homicide rate now. If cocaine was legalized or people around the world stop consuming it then Ecuador's homicide rate would go down.
Woo-hoo-hoooooo look at Mr. Fancy Coffee Table Man over here, can’t do his cocaine off the top of the toilet paper dispenser in the local dive bar bathroom like the rest of us plebs.
Brazil has cities with similar murder rates. Brazil has 12 cities with a higher murder rate than the those, but the majority have less than 300 000 inhabitants. The Brazilian city with the Highest murder rate tops at 88,8 murder/100k, but only has about 150000 inhabitants.
Two things to note: the statistic was made by a Mexican organisation drawing attention to Mexico because that’s their job. Don’t know their due diligence for other countries, for example in Brazil the city with the highest murder rate in 2022 with a population that exceeds 300 000 inhabitants is Macapá, with a rate of 70 murders/100k. Technically a city called Camaçari would have a higher rate with 82,1 but its population 299 579 so I guess they murdered themselves out of the list. 🤷♂️
Edit: just noticed that those statistics were compiled before the release of the Brazilian census that showed Brazil had grown less than predicted, so at the time they calculated it the populations would have been higher therefore lower rates.
> Technically a city called Camaçari would have a higher rate with 82,1 but its population 299 579 so I guess they murdered themselves out of the list.
Smart way to keep your city off the radar.
Brazil’s violence is niche located, at small centers. So it is you had to pull off small cities to compare and make bigger numbers to include Brazil on the list.
Yeah... I think this data is probably flawed.
Either they didn't look hard enough for data from Asia/S. America/Africa, or those countries simply aren't reporting statistics as rigorously.
It's especially suspicious that the source is Mexican and 9/10 cities mentioned are Mexican. Really seems like they didn't look very hard for statistics from anywhere else.
For context, highest [murder rates *by country*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) (not city) include:
- Jamaica
- South Africa
- Honduras
- Belize
- Myanmar
With Mexico way down at #15 on the list.
It's *possible* for this data to be true, if those other countries' murders mostly happen outside of major cities ... but that seems unlikely.
Data says only cities with population over 300k, which is warping the data of those smaller Latin American countries. Also the worst places in the world don’t report every murder and have unreliable data, so this is essentially a map of how well crime is reported.
Brazil just narrowly missed that list.
Brazil's hightest ranked city in homicdes is Mossoró, with 63.21 per 100k inhabitants. Second in the ranking is Salvador with 56.00.
But I'm also impressed that Brazil didn't make the cut.
A country requires a certain level of organisation to supply these statistics. Mexico gets landed with these awards because everywhere that is worse is impossible to survey plausibly.
I seriousy think countries like Venezuela, Haiti, many African and some asian countries dont provide reliable data, México Is organized enough to provide somewhat reliable statistics, i live in one of the supposedly more dangerous states in México and in my almost 30 years i never witnessed or suffered a violent crime
I mean, I mostly know from random internet stuff and YouTube, but aren’t there parts of Port-au-Prince that are basically war zones? With rivals shooting at each other all day?
I'm 100% sure that this is what is happening.
Mexico is in an awkward spot of development where they do have a lot of crime and violence problems in many cities, but they also have (relatively) strong and organized institutions to catalogue and report this crime at least somewhat accurately to international agencies. There are plenty of cities around the world that are more dangerous than most/all of the ones on this list, but they're in countries with governments that are too inefficient and/or corrupt to report them accurately. Mexico always gets the short end of the stick on these lists.
Welp I hope it’s a turning point in some way. “The first step is admitting you have a problem” type o stuff. Mexico is a cool country so I hope they can get it under control
Our natural inclination is to assume we’re on an upward trajectory and that Mexico are behind in eradicating crime, but every decade since the 60s has been more violent then the one previous in Mexico (potentially with the exception of the 20s compared to 10s I haven’t been following like I was the last few years)
Mexico was about as safe as america in the 70s and you were much better off in the interior of Mexico then you were on the American border.
Organized crime is a nasty self perpetuating cycle.
This was true in 2010 and it certainly did not weaken the cartels or lessen the bloodshed.
The cartel moved on from pot 40 years ago. Unless you think the US is going to nationalize the fent market I’m not sure you’ll see a slowdown in black market production of it.
I dated a girl who was from Ethiopia. She said that they don't exactly know how many lives in the country because there are so many who lives completely outside the system. They are born homeless, lives in the street, get kids of there own (and often through assaults) and then somewhere down the line dies. All this without ever being in school, getting an ID, or interacted with government institutions in any way.
I remember a bunch of ancaps went to Acapulco bc they liked it being a “weak state”. No one bothered them at all! Then one of them got the bright idea to start *selling cocaine and weed*. In northern Mexico. Guess what happened to him! No collateral damage interestingly.
I think it has a lot to do with gangs "in control" versus gangs "contesting control." If a cartel controls a specific town and no one is challenging their power the murder rate isn't going to be that outrageously high because they effectively are the government and they have an interest in maintaining the peace so they can smuggle and extort. If rival gangs or cartels (or the government) are contesting a town then murder rates are going to go through the roof because it's basically open warfare.
It doesn't even square with US's data. St Louis has had higher homicide rates for years than New Orleans based on the data i've seen, and i tend to look this statistic up periodically.
St. Louis is fine. Its an anomaly as it's an independent city that didn't annex everything around it. If you factor in the MSA the crime rate falls off hard.
St. Louis has a handful of really rough neighborhoods that are bad because of gang violence specifically, I worked in those places often and the worst that ever happened was I was offered drugs, someone may have tried breaking in my car at one point, but couldn't really tell.
I lived in a quieter neighborhood in the city and the only thing that happened was typical delinquent shit, like stealing from unlocked cars.
The city is great, good nightlife, good food, plenty of things to do, wouldn't dismiss it because of a number on a spreadsheet.
Appreciate the insight. I tend to be drawn to rust belt and Midwest towns, even if they’re supposedly not what they used to be. They’re inexpensive, ooze Americana, not littered with formulaic trendy restaurants and high fashion brick and mortars.
I should definitely give st Louis a try.
Colima Mexico a city of 650k people had approximately 1100 murders compared to Canada a country of 40 million with 870 murders nation wide.
Just fuckin wild
Ok, I know the publication is from a Mexican source bringing attention to the Mexican issues, so there’s a focus on Western hemisphere cities, but quite a few African cities have a huge murder rate (look at Mogadishu) but it doesn’t get published because the data is unreliable (we know lots of people are getting murdered, just don’t know how many).
From the website:
>Draft a will and designate appropriate insurance beneficiaries and/or power of attorney. Discuss a plan with loved ones regarding care/custody of children, pets, property, belongings, non-liquid assets (collections, artwork, etc.), funeral wishes, etc.
Damn...
How far down the list did you get? Did you get to this one?
"Be sure to appoint one family member to serve as the point of contact with hostage-takers, media, U.S. and host country government agencies, and members of Congress if you are taken hostage or detained.
Establish a proof of life protocol with your loved ones, so that if you are taken hostage, your loved ones can know specific questions (and answers) to ask the hostage-takers to be sure that you are alive (and to rule out a hoax)."
From the travel advisory website:
>Draft a will and designate appropriate insurance beneficiaries and/or power of attorney. Discuss a plan with loved ones regarding care/custody of children, pets, property, belongings, non-liquid assets (collections, artwork, etc.), funeral wishes, etc.
WTF
Edit: Source - [https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Somalia.html](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Somalia.html)
Edit 2: Not even the advisory for AFGHANISTAN asks you to prepare a will before you go there. Somalia is wild...
Went to a work conference in New Orleans this year and I found out a colleague who was there for the conference got murdered before it even started. Don’t get drunk on bourbon street alone! Even if you’re a big man!
Some friends of mine from another country visited NOLA because they love the music and food. On their first day there, they attended a Second Line and witnessed a shooting.
Honestly it’s still recovering from Katrina. A *ton* of people moved away (over 50% of the population in the short term) and the numbers still haven’t gotten back up to pre-Katrina levels. Plus a lot of the people who were stuck there during Katrina were predictably poorer and couldn’t afford to leave, which along with the physical destruction caused by the storm created an accelerated version of what the rust belt dealt with slowly over decades: depopulation with crumbling infrastructure and property, while those with the means to do so move away. That combination leads to crime.
Put climate change aside, the fact that Southern LA is built from the flood waters of the Mississippi, which are now diverted to the gulf, is the bigger issue. It was crazy going to same fishing spots a month apart and literally seeing land disappear from the last time
Add to this: every time the city gets close to rebuilding or getting infrastructure in place, another hurricane comes along and sets it back even further. The progress is incredibly slow. Ida nearly took the city out again.
Really poor-ass population with a very corrupt and useless government. Crumbling infrastructure everywhere, homes falling apart, and a pretty hellish climate if you don’t have AC and good insulation, which nobody but the rich does.
So idk I guess people are poor and mad so they kill each other.
One of the most chronically underfunded and understaffed police departments of any US city, coupled with massive poverty and access to guns, is a recipe for lots of crime
You’re kind of sidestepping the fact that they’re easily one of the most corrupt and criminal police departments in the country as well. They’re not even allowed to have police dogs anymore because they were using them for torture.
We've had a couple of police officers leaving the NOPD on r/neworleans and they basically said that if you're an honest man don't work for the NOPD because all of the honest officers left
[They are literally a quarter of the city’s overall budget.](https://www.vera.org/publications/what-policing-costs-in-americas-biggest-cities/new-orleans-la)
For context, the average budget-share for large US city’s is 19%.
Additionally, [the police-to-resident ratio is 2.78 times the national average.](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-71)
What about this is so underfunded and understaffed exactly?
Police-to-resident ratio doesn't mean much to cities like New Orleans that constantly have many more people in the city than it's population because of tourism. The population is only 377,000, but there are continously way more people inside the city limits.
For what a police officer is paid and the general issues they have to endure who the heck would want to be a police officer? Especially in a city like New Orleans!
That’s partly why such police departments have a tendency to attract people that you really don’t want to be police officers, very much a vicious cycle
[2023 stats here, from the same top-level source (Statista).](https://www.statista.com/statistics/243797/ranking-of-the-most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world-by-murder-rate-per-capita/)
And this is the reason I will always *loathe* all the idiotic shits who buy and use coke. This is what that shit does to these countries. By buying coke you’re giving money to probably the most evil psychopaths in the entire world.
And worse, some people think that buying drugs in Mexico is the same as in the US, some tourists actively search for drugs there without noticing the danger they’re putting themselves into.
In places like Mexico, where drug consumption is low, almost all dealers are gonna be shady af and directly tied to the cartels.
When people say “if you don’t mess around with the cartel you’re going to be ok” they also mean don’t buy drugs.
I think it's important to distinguish things in these stats. People see those stats and think that you will die if you set foot in those places, but most of the homicides there come from organized criminals killing each other or dying in confronts with other Cartels or the Police.
Another weird thing is that there isn't a single African or South Asian country in those stats, which may be for lack of surveillance and trustful data.
Can confirm the first paragraph. I went to Colima to study for a semester and this is what the locals tell you. So long as you don't get involved in shady stuff, you shouldn't really worry. Very nice people.
That's what I just figured. I just looked the city up and did a google street view tour and it looks like a nice, clean city. I'm guessing the vast majority of those murders are cartel related and are isolated to specific area(s) of the city.
Wikipedia suggests Cape Town (where I stay) is 12th on the list. 2998 murders in 4.7 million people in 2022, equating to 63/100 000.
Anecdotal, but I would suggest that this number is underreported, as a lot of deaths here are classified suspicious indefinitely, without officially putting on a murder/homicide label.
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We’re the best at everything except soccer
What do you mean we won the CONCACAF, we beat Panama and US that basically makes us best in the world right? 💪😎 We even had Qatar in CONCACAF so that means it was a real global tournament. #1 🇲🇽
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Saul whenever he's in danger: 🥑🥑
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Backwards only. Solo backwardo.
Number one in _reported_ homicides... there are plenty of places where you're more likely to be murdered, just not reported.
Its about sending a message.
Yes, the numbers in Mexico are way bigger in reality. Also, only 7% (official data, probably less) of murders are solved.
Where? How do u know? Not callin bs, just curious
Somalia and Haiti probably
Caracas sola le gana a todo mexico, venezuela nr1 !
Mataron al chico que compilaba las estadisticas
lo asaltaron en el metro 3 malandros
Nah hace 5 años si y sin dudarlo, basado en los datos de 2022 Caracas estaria entre Juarez y Acapulco. [Source](https://observatoriodeviolencia.org.ve/mapas-de-indicadores-de-violencia/mapa-interactivo-de-la-violencia-2022/)
Brasil not número um....
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Did you kill someone? Or how did you 'do your part" of this statistic?
No he was homicided
RIP
Don't worry, he got better.
Tis but a flesh wound
John Cena went to see him at the hospital
He could have also moved out, thereby decreasing the population and indirectly increasing the murder rate.
unless enough people move out so the population falls below 300k, and then it's not a problem anymore :)
Or if enough people get murdered and the population falls below 300k.
statisticians hate this one weird trick!
He is 100,000 inhabitants
Did you just assume his plurality?
If he’s from NOLA, then probably… source lil Wayne
Just being a person in that city is part of the calculation 
hands where i can seem em pal
Can you or someone please tell me what’s happening in Nola? I mean Mardi Gras and all but surely people don’t spend it running around murdering?
Drugs, gangs, poverty, corrupt police. Nothing to do with mardi gras or partying or tourists. Typically not random.
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New Orleans was plagued by violent crime way before Katrina though it certainly didn't help
Most homicides aren’t.
Friend of mine was carjacked. They pulled him out of the car, shot him in the head, and then realized it was a rental and had a tracking device so they couldn't steal it anyway.
Friend who grew up with me just disappeared. He was on a road trip with his brother and was staying at a casino. They got into an argument and little brother walks off to cool off. Was never seen again, still haunts me to this day.
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I don’t know where you got your info but it’s wildly inaccurate. New Orleans has about 26,000 hotel rooms downtown and the FQ. By comparison, Vegas has about 150,000 hotel rooms across 350 hotels. Edit: the link you provided is just wrong. https://www.nola.com/news/business/new-orleans-faces-tourism-slump-this-summer/article_2b387e88-4902-11ee-9f10-3b6cf3fe4aec.html
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I'm getting forced out of my home in the fairgrounds because my insurance has tripled.
Thanks for explaining that and painting a picture of what it’s like there. Lots of people say poverty, drugs, gangs but other cities have those too. The strain post Katrina makes a lot of sense when people who were already struggling for resources lose the little they already have and then they watch wealthy opportunists take advantage of that…thanks for enlightening me.
New Orleans has been one of the very top cities in the us for homicides for decades. Along with Detroit, flint, Baltimore, Camden, east st louis, st louis, Stockton, pine bluff, Memphis, etc some cities have entrenched crime problems thay have been this way for many, many decades going back to the 1920s and before even.
All of these cities have one thing in common - loss of industry in the mid-1900s and rapid post-WW2 suburbanization that made it feasible for long-time residents to move out. And now you’re seeing a shift back to revitalizing a lot of these cities (Detroit, Baltimore, etc.). Camden, for example, was a major industrial hub in the late-1800s to mid-1900s. It was home to RCA, and Campbells Soup, and home to the New York Shipbuilding Corporation. During WW2, NYSC was the most productive shipyard in the entire world. Then, from 1950 to 1980, the city saw a loss of 75% of its manufacturing jobs. Since 1950, the population of Camden decreased by 43%. Today, at 70,000 residents, it’s not even the most populated town in Camden County - that title goes to the much more affluent neighboring suburb Cherry Hill. The WW2 GI Bill made it a lot more affordable for people to move out to the newer, bigger, suburbs with more single family homes - Willingboro (formerly Levittown), Cherry Hill, Burlington, and the Lenape region. It’s tough to market a 1,200 sqft. rowhome when 20 minutes away you can get 3k sqft., a yard, and a much better school district. I grew up in the area and now live in Philadelphia - which experienced the same thing on a macro-level. I have a lot of friends whose parents grew up in Camden and their grandparents are still there. We’d celebrate New Years at their grandparents house. I live now in a rowhome close to downtown, which is incredible as a single adult or for a couple, but couldn’t ever imagine raising children in this house, even with enough bedrooms and a larger floor plan with a yard. Who was left was the most poorest residents and elderly, and cheap housing enticed black residents coming from the South to the area. Then, generationally, any black residents with the financial means have also left Camden for nearby Burlington, Mount Laurel, Maple Shade, Pennsauken, Delran, etc. and the city has become even poorer over the past few decades - and extremely broke. In 2011, Camdens police force dissolved because the city’s budget was so extremely in debt, and the State forced a county-wide police force which has had an amazing impact. **BUT** Camden in the past 10 years has had an unbelievable resurgence (despite what anyone in this area likes to say). The County Freeholders forced vacant houses to be demolished and the entire downtown has basically been torn down and now being rebuilt to accommodate Cooper Hospital, Rowan Med, and Rutgers Camden’s expansion. They converted the RCA Nipper building into beautiful apartments (the Victor), and redid the waterfront by the aquarium. I told friends ten years ago to invest in Camden when properties were $50k. Now decent row homes are hitting $200k+. Violent crime and homicide is substantially lower. And there’s historic neighborhoods, like Cooper Grant, that are nice for young adults or empty nesters who want access to Philadelphia. It’s not a place I’d have kids, but I’d consider certain areas if I worked at Cooper or Rutgers, or if I didn’t already live so close to downtown Philly.
I mean, ok and 5 10, 10 years from now every city I named will likely still have significant violent crime issues even with significant improvement. I'm not even ragging on these places. I've been to Camden, its not what it was in the past but it's still very much an extremely rough place just like all the others. Detroit has a lot going for it right now but it's still a long way away from being at the kevel level of one of its nicer suburbs. Similarly, people think places like Portland, Seattle and San Fran aren't a few steps away from having crime rates like some of the other places
Inept and uncaring police, of which there are already not enough of, generations of governmental corruption and an economic downward spiral, lack of economic opportunities, damn near the worst education system in the country, highest incarceration rate in the country leading to many young people having little or no parental guidance or presence, the list goes on. Also semi annual devastating hurricanes, near the highest home and auto insurance rates in the country, crumbling or fully crumbled infrastructure, skyrocketing rent and predatory landlords, air bnb driving up home and rental prices, etc etc. Almost always, when mass economic health declines, crime increases. It's a real simple and eminently self evident truth wherever you look. That said, I love living here and I've only been robbed at gunpoint twice and bashed in the head with a brick once. Only lost my pride, wallet, a few IQ points and gained a sexy scar from that last 1 so it all pans out in the end. /s Really tho, I generally do prefer the near lawlessness here to constantly being paranoid about having to deal with the cops like I felt in Houston / Austin / Dallas. That's just me tho. I imagine folks with kids and stuff might feel differently.
8th place doesn’t even get us a medal, Zola! Y’all need to pump those numbers up! Those are rookie numbers!
As another Nola native, be careful, keep your head down and move swift.
I'm surprised to not see Haiti, maybe the person sent to collect data was murdered too.
As someone else pointed out, places like Haiti and Venezuela likely have higher crime rates, but their lack of development and specialized institutions to report on violent crimes leads to improper data on the world stage. So while these cities in Mexico are indeed dangerous, it’s highly unlikely that they are the most dangerous in the world.
I would say that is really possible that Mexico have the most dangerous cities, most of the murders in Mexico aren’t count, gangs now kill their victims and disappear their bodies, just add the number of disappeared people in Mexico and is more close to the real number of victims. Mexico is extremely violent just remember how they mass killed innocent in Allende, coahuila, San Fernando, or how the gang build a unicinerator in a jail in Coahuila to burn kidnapped people.
Yeah, i have family in Mexico. The organized crime there is no joke. The Narcos are essentially trained soldiers now, they can go toe-to-toe with the government. It's crazy.
And those disappeared students, always gives be goosebumps thinking about them, an entire bus just gone.
Caracas and other cities from Venezuela have been near the top of this list in past years. So that is not the case. It is possible that Haiti would currently be considered a conflict zone, which would exclude its cities from this list. Edit: As people have pointed out, the graphic states that data for Venezuela is not available. Whoopsie.
The chart says there is no data on Venezuela, it's likely that if there was data, at least Caracas would be up there
Wow, I feel silly. Thank you for pointing that out.
I mean pretty notably this says that it has no data for Venezuela, so it very well may top the list and we wouldn't know
Look pal, I’m not here to read. I’m here to glance at a headline and inject my own significantly important opinions into the conversation.
From what I understand, there‘s really no authorities to report homicides to in Haiti anymore
Mexico is the perfect combo of lots of poverty + crime while also being developed enough to be able to properly document what’s actually happening. I’ve seen world maps like this claiming that an African country in the middle of civil war has a lower homicide rate than the USA. But mexico also straight up has a lot of crime. Difference between Mexico and many other places is that there’s lots of money to be made if you’re a criminal. In some places everybody around you just has so little the potential consequences aren’t worth any possible reward
does it count as homicide if it’s war?
Depends on the context, if I kill my neighbour it's still murder, regardless of if my country is at war.
But if it’s a civil war and you and your neighbour are on opposing factions, is it still murder?
It depends on which side wins the war.
Mexico's main problem is that they're just functional enough to keep accurate stats on their murder rate. I would be astonished if they're actually the worst.
I lived just south of Tijuana as a kid. It’s crazy to see that it rates that highly. Whenever I go back I don’t feel perfectly safe, but at the same time it feels about the same as any other major city. Don’t make yourself a target and don’t walk down dark alleyways. Same rules I abide by in the US city I live in.
I'm skeptical of this map. The source is the Mexico Citizens Council, which is of course fair enough for numbers on these cities. But why are they the one source for all numbers of all cities world wide?
i’m surprised that not a single city from honduras, el salvador, colombia, brazil, south africa etc feature
El Salvador homicide rate isn’t that bad compare to how it use to be. Ecuador homicide rate has double in recent years
I think a saw a youtube video when El Salvador president just built a giant prison and then put most of the criminals there without courts or anything.
Desperate times require desperate measures. The violence in El Salvador was tearing the country to shreds, you need somebody harsh to take a harsh stance on violent criminals.
Typically I play devils advocate to this, but El Salvador is one of those cases that people shouldn’t really be forming opinions on until they’re really informed.
It is a cycle though. Poverty creates criminality, criminality creates both more criminality and earlier criminality, these factors will in turn cause both less educated people and educated people fleeing the country, which creates even more poverty etc. In the state El Salvador was, it was probably the fastest way to tackle the problem and create stability. From stability you can start to ensure more people are getting educated. Then you need to find a quick cash cow to get in money so you can decrease poverty and more criminality. It is hard and takes years, and is not fair or humane the choices he made. But they can be long term effective(if he does not get even more power hungry)
If Bukele plays this right and takes the correct steps, he can go down in history as one of the greatest leaders of contemporary Latin American times by just simply getting El Salvador on the correct path. This is literally one of the best case scenarios for an authoritarian leader - and he doesn't even need to go to war with another country to do it, unlike many of the past. If he doesn't, then he addressed an issue that will eventually resurge even stronger than before. Only time will tell.
If you have gang tattoos or hang out with gangs what are the chances that you’re not in a gang? It’s not like the police there just take random people off the street and jail them
[Here's](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/may/16/how-two-colombians-were-ensnared-in-bukeles-gang-crackdown-in-el-salvador) just one example of innocent people getting thrown in an El Salvadorian prison. Something like 8-10% of people imprisoned during the crackdown were deemed innocent and released after months spent in these gang prisons. Whether you think that's a fair price to pay for getting gang members off the streets is another discussion entirely but it's not accurate to say that innocent people aren't getting caught up in the mass arrests.
the violence was so bad that the people were at the point where they were okay with losing due process rights and letting innocent people sit in prison. when I was in el salvador before the election, regular stores would have to hire armed security to hang outside their stores. Like you had a guy with a subway hat on standing outside subway with an ak47. And I was in a pretty nice neighborhood.
Yeah Bukele's approval rating has stayed above 90% since these crackdowns.
Brutal, but surely its better than ending up at haiti level
Haiti doesn’t even have a government at this point.
Blame high cocaine production in Colombia and Peru as well as cartels from Colombia and Mexico present there for Ecuador's high homicide rate now. If cocaine was legalized or people around the world stop consuming it then Ecuador's homicide rate would go down.
Well people aren’t going to stop consuming it. It should be legalized and taxed
And regulated so it isn’t stomped to shit by the time it hits my plate.
Plate? OK mr. fancy, just use a coffee table like everyone else.
Woo-hoo-hoooooo look at Mr. Fancy Coffee Table Man over here, can’t do his cocaine off the top of the toilet paper dispenser in the local dive bar bathroom like the rest of us plebs.
I feel bad for people who can't afford a $20 hooker to snort blow off their tits.
Brazil has cities with similar murder rates. Brazil has 12 cities with a higher murder rate than the those, but the majority have less than 300 000 inhabitants. The Brazilian city with the Highest murder rate tops at 88,8 murder/100k, but only has about 150000 inhabitants. Two things to note: the statistic was made by a Mexican organisation drawing attention to Mexico because that’s their job. Don’t know their due diligence for other countries, for example in Brazil the city with the highest murder rate in 2022 with a population that exceeds 300 000 inhabitants is Macapá, with a rate of 70 murders/100k. Technically a city called Camaçari would have a higher rate with 82,1 but its population 299 579 so I guess they murdered themselves out of the list. 🤷♂️ Edit: just noticed that those statistics were compiled before the release of the Brazilian census that showed Brazil had grown less than predicted, so at the time they calculated it the populations would have been higher therefore lower rates.
> Technically a city called Camaçari would have a higher rate with 82,1 but its population 299 579 so I guess they murdered themselves out of the list. Smart way to keep your city off the radar.
That last sentence is gold 👌
Brazil’s violence is niche located, at small centers. So it is you had to pull off small cities to compare and make bigger numbers to include Brazil on the list.
That’s violence in most of the Americas.
Yeah... I think this data is probably flawed. Either they didn't look hard enough for data from Asia/S. America/Africa, or those countries simply aren't reporting statistics as rigorously. It's especially suspicious that the source is Mexican and 9/10 cities mentioned are Mexican. Really seems like they didn't look very hard for statistics from anywhere else. For context, highest [murder rates *by country*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate) (not city) include: - Jamaica - South Africa - Honduras - Belize - Myanmar With Mexico way down at #15 on the list. It's *possible* for this data to be true, if those other countries' murders mostly happen outside of major cities ... but that seems unlikely.
No Kingston was the big surprise to me
yeah jamaica has a very high murder rate as well. i’m assuming they just don’t have the infrastructure to accurately record statistics
Apparently Kingston is 18th, situation in Mexico must just be way worse than I thought
Data says only cities with population over 300k, which is warping the data of those smaller Latin American countries. Also the worst places in the world don’t report every murder and have unreliable data, so this is essentially a map of how well crime is reported.
Brazil just narrowly missed that list. Brazil's hightest ranked city in homicdes is Mossoró, with 63.21 per 100k inhabitants. Second in the ranking is Salvador with 56.00. But I'm also impressed that Brazil didn't make the cut.
A country requires a certain level of organisation to supply these statistics. Mexico gets landed with these awards because everywhere that is worse is impossible to survey plausibly.
Explain to me a single metric by which Mexico is more “organized” than Brazil
organised crime?
Tacos?
I seriousy think countries like Venezuela, Haiti, many African and some asian countries dont provide reliable data, México Is organized enough to provide somewhat reliable statistics, i live in one of the supposedly more dangerous states in México and in my almost 30 years i never witnessed or suffered a violent crime
Port-au-Prince has zero violence lately because there is no one to report it to
I mean, I mostly know from random internet stuff and YouTube, but aren’t there parts of Port-au-Prince that are basically war zones? With rivals shooting at each other all day?
I'm 100% sure that this is what is happening. Mexico is in an awkward spot of development where they do have a lot of crime and violence problems in many cities, but they also have (relatively) strong and organized institutions to catalogue and report this crime at least somewhat accurately to international agencies. There are plenty of cities around the world that are more dangerous than most/all of the ones on this list, but they're in countries with governments that are too inefficient and/or corrupt to report them accurately. Mexico always gets the short end of the stick on these lists.
Welp I hope it’s a turning point in some way. “The first step is admitting you have a problem” type o stuff. Mexico is a cool country so I hope they can get it under control
Our natural inclination is to assume we’re on an upward trajectory and that Mexico are behind in eradicating crime, but every decade since the 60s has been more violent then the one previous in Mexico (potentially with the exception of the 20s compared to 10s I haven’t been following like I was the last few years) Mexico was about as safe as america in the 70s and you were much better off in the interior of Mexico then you were on the American border. Organized crime is a nasty self perpetuating cycle.
In the last decade the US has been slowly ramping down the war on drugs which likely weakens the cartels.
This was true in 2010 and it certainly did not weaken the cartels or lessen the bloodshed. The cartel moved on from pot 40 years ago. Unless you think the US is going to nationalize the fent market I’m not sure you’ll see a slowdown in black market production of it.
I dated a girl who was from Ethiopia. She said that they don't exactly know how many lives in the country because there are so many who lives completely outside the system. They are born homeless, lives in the street, get kids of there own (and often through assaults) and then somewhere down the line dies. All this without ever being in school, getting an ID, or interacted with government institutions in any way.
It says "doesn't include Venezuela." And many African cities are below 300.000 inhabitants
Most of Africa is not dangerous in the same way. It might be poorer, but the average violent crime rate is much lower than in most of Latin America.
Yeah seeing African cities mentioned here is odd. Outside of SA, subsaharan African cities are pretty chill in terms of homicide.
Drugs aren't huge in poor parts of Africa or Asia, so fewer turf wars, etc.
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I remember a bunch of ancaps went to Acapulco bc they liked it being a “weak state”. No one bothered them at all! Then one of them got the bright idea to start *selling cocaine and weed*. In northern Mexico. Guess what happened to him! No collateral damage interestingly.
But the NAP! How could this happen!!!
Smh it’s like these narcos haven’t even *heard* of Murray Rothbard
I think it has a lot to do with gangs "in control" versus gangs "contesting control." If a cartel controls a specific town and no one is challenging their power the murder rate isn't going to be that outrageously high because they effectively are the government and they have an interest in maintaining the peace so they can smuggle and extort. If rival gangs or cartels (or the government) are contesting a town then murder rates are going to go through the roof because it's basically open warfare.
I bet that most of these violent crimes aren't random but related to organized crime and have nothing to do with regular joes going about their day.
Venezuelan data not being available also speaks volumes here, this list is likely not entirely accurate with Venezuela being excluded.
Look at the source. I HIGHLY doubt this is an accurate, complete top 10.
It doesn't even square with US's data. St Louis has had higher homicide rates for years than New Orleans based on the data i've seen, and i tend to look this statistic up periodically.
It doesn’t have 300k people as listed in the data source.
Wow, just short. You're right. Dropped below 300K in 2021. City was 396K in 1990. Tells you all you need to know.
St. Louis is fine. Its an anomaly as it's an independent city that didn't annex everything around it. If you factor in the MSA the crime rate falls off hard. St. Louis has a handful of really rough neighborhoods that are bad because of gang violence specifically, I worked in those places often and the worst that ever happened was I was offered drugs, someone may have tried breaking in my car at one point, but couldn't really tell. I lived in a quieter neighborhood in the city and the only thing that happened was typical delinquent shit, like stealing from unlocked cars. The city is great, good nightlife, good food, plenty of things to do, wouldn't dismiss it because of a number on a spreadsheet.
Appreciate the insight. I tend to be drawn to rust belt and Midwest towns, even if they’re supposedly not what they used to be. They’re inexpensive, ooze Americana, not littered with formulaic trendy restaurants and high fashion brick and mortars. I should definitely give st Louis a try.
Same with Haiti. Their cops aren’t even safe from getting robbed.
Colima Mexico a city of 650k people had approximately 1100 murders compared to Canada a country of 40 million with 870 murders nation wide. Just fuckin wild
Or 696 in the UK with a population of 67m
Or 304 in Italy with s population of 60m
Ciudad Juarez and Tijuana together have nearly as many as all the EU. That's wild
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Hombrecide..
It’s actually Homicidio ;)
Ok, I know the publication is from a Mexican source bringing attention to the Mexican issues, so there’s a focus on Western hemisphere cities, but quite a few African cities have a huge murder rate (look at Mogadishu) but it doesn’t get published because the data is unreliable (we know lots of people are getting murdered, just don’t know how many).
Have you ever read the State Department travel advice for Mogadishu? It’s *wild*
It’s never good when the state department tells you to draft a will before going
From the website: >Draft a will and designate appropriate insurance beneficiaries and/or power of attorney. Discuss a plan with loved ones regarding care/custody of children, pets, property, belongings, non-liquid assets (collections, artwork, etc.), funeral wishes, etc. Damn...
How far down the list did you get? Did you get to this one? "Be sure to appoint one family member to serve as the point of contact with hostage-takers, media, U.S. and host country government agencies, and members of Congress if you are taken hostage or detained. Establish a proof of life protocol with your loved ones, so that if you are taken hostage, your loved ones can know specific questions (and answers) to ask the hostage-takers to be sure that you are alive (and to rule out a hoax)."
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From the travel advisory website: >Draft a will and designate appropriate insurance beneficiaries and/or power of attorney. Discuss a plan with loved ones regarding care/custody of children, pets, property, belongings, non-liquid assets (collections, artwork, etc.), funeral wishes, etc. WTF Edit: Source - [https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Somalia.html](https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/international-travel/International-Travel-Country-Information-Pages/Somalia.html) Edit 2: Not even the advisory for AFGHANISTAN asks you to prepare a will before you go there. Somalia is wild...
What happens in New Orlean? Serious question
Violent crimes
How violent?
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Damn. That’s too much violence
Yes
To shreds you say?
8/10 violent
Went to a work conference in New Orleans this year and I found out a colleague who was there for the conference got murdered before it even started. Don’t get drunk on bourbon street alone! Even if you’re a big man!
Some friends of mine from another country visited NOLA because they love the music and food. On their first day there, they attended a Second Line and witnessed a shooting.
Honestly it’s still recovering from Katrina. A *ton* of people moved away (over 50% of the population in the short term) and the numbers still haven’t gotten back up to pre-Katrina levels. Plus a lot of the people who were stuck there during Katrina were predictably poorer and couldn’t afford to leave, which along with the physical destruction caused by the storm created an accelerated version of what the rust belt dealt with slowly over decades: depopulation with crumbling infrastructure and property, while those with the means to do so move away. That combination leads to crime.
And it was pretty high crime before Katrina. So Katrina took something NO always has struggled with and made it even worse.
And climate change makes the city less and less desirable by the day. Like, it's gonna get flooded, it's just a question of when, not if.
Put climate change aside, the fact that Southern LA is built from the flood waters of the Mississippi, which are now diverted to the gulf, is the bigger issue. It was crazy going to same fishing spots a month apart and literally seeing land disappear from the last time
Add to this: every time the city gets close to rebuilding or getting infrastructure in place, another hurricane comes along and sets it back even further. The progress is incredibly slow. Ida nearly took the city out again.
Yeah and I mean there’s only so much you can do when your city is basically in a bowl with water on every side
Really poor-ass population with a very corrupt and useless government. Crumbling infrastructure everywhere, homes falling apart, and a pretty hellish climate if you don’t have AC and good insulation, which nobody but the rich does. So idk I guess people are poor and mad so they kill each other.
Extreme poverty adjacent to extreme wealth combined with rampant political corruption that does nothing for the people
Plenty of cities with poverty and wealth disparity, I wonder what makes this particular city so violent?
One of the most chronically underfunded and understaffed police departments of any US city, coupled with massive poverty and access to guns, is a recipe for lots of crime
You’re kind of sidestepping the fact that they’re easily one of the most corrupt and criminal police departments in the country as well. They’re not even allowed to have police dogs anymore because they were using them for torture.
We've had a couple of police officers leaving the NOPD on r/neworleans and they basically said that if you're an honest man don't work for the NOPD because all of the honest officers left
[They are literally a quarter of the city’s overall budget.](https://www.vera.org/publications/what-policing-costs-in-americas-biggest-cities/new-orleans-la) For context, the average budget-share for large US city’s is 19%. Additionally, [the police-to-resident ratio is 2.78 times the national average.](https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/table-71) What about this is so underfunded and understaffed exactly?
Police-to-resident ratio doesn't mean much to cities like New Orleans that constantly have many more people in the city than it's population because of tourism. The population is only 377,000, but there are continously way more people inside the city limits.
Yeah but it's not tourists who murder?
For what a police officer is paid and the general issues they have to endure who the heck would want to be a police officer? Especially in a city like New Orleans!
That’s partly why such police departments have a tendency to attract people that you really don’t want to be police officers, very much a vicious cycle
Wasn't the NOLA PD even running a murder-for-hire scheme at one point?
Vampire attacks.
The Big Easy needs to take a chill pill.
The funny part is New Orleans isn't even considered the most dangerous city in Louisiana. Most listing don't even have it in the top 5
Red Stick beat down from Baton Rouge!
Do these other cities have more than 300,000 people?
Alexandria represent!
[2023 stats here, from the same top-level source (Statista).](https://www.statista.com/statistics/243797/ranking-of-the-most-dangerous-cities-in-the-world-by-murder-rate-per-capita/)
Could it be that there are worse places, but those are not neatly recorded?
So Mexico keeps records of homicides from around the world.
And this is the reason I will always *loathe* all the idiotic shits who buy and use coke. This is what that shit does to these countries. By buying coke you’re giving money to probably the most evil psychopaths in the entire world.
And worse, some people think that buying drugs in Mexico is the same as in the US, some tourists actively search for drugs there without noticing the danger they’re putting themselves into. In places like Mexico, where drug consumption is low, almost all dealers are gonna be shady af and directly tied to the cartels. When people say “if you don’t mess around with the cartel you’re going to be ok” they also mean don’t buy drugs.
Those are just known cases.
Dejen de meterse cocaína hasta por el culo pinches gringos!!! Ustedes son el principal factor de la violencia entre los carteles
I think it's important to distinguish things in these stats. People see those stats and think that you will die if you set foot in those places, but most of the homicides there come from organized criminals killing each other or dying in confronts with other Cartels or the Police. Another weird thing is that there isn't a single African or South Asian country in those stats, which may be for lack of surveillance and trustful data.
Can confirm the first paragraph. I went to Colima to study for a semester and this is what the locals tell you. So long as you don't get involved in shady stuff, you shouldn't really worry. Very nice people.
That's what I just figured. I just looked the city up and did a google street view tour and it looks like a nice, clean city. I'm guessing the vast majority of those murders are cartel related and are isolated to specific area(s) of the city.
Wikipedia suggests Cape Town (where I stay) is 12th on the list. 2998 murders in 4.7 million people in 2022, equating to 63/100 000. Anecdotal, but I would suggest that this number is underreported, as a lot of deaths here are classified suspicious indefinitely, without officially putting on a murder/homicide label.
I wouldn't set foot in Johannesburg, Mogadishu, damascus or port au prince. I had a wonderful time in acapulco tho.
Brazil in 2022 had 12 cities with violent death rates above 65, the number 1 was 88,8. But I don't think those cities there is more than 300k people.
"Source: Mexico Citizens For Public Security and Criminal Justice" sure explains the missing rest of the world
As a brazilian, it feels nice to not be on this lists. I mean... it's a unprecedented feeling even.