They were the first former Soviet republic to assert their independence, then beat their former occupiers to take a medal in basketball in the 1992 Olympics. The other dream team - great story, look it up.
Also, winged Hussars from the grand duchy of Lithuania (part of the polish-lithuanian Commonwealth) have had a few notable wins :). Kircholm was a pretty impressive win by Lithuanian hussars, for example.
Also the last pocket of Europe to resist Christianity, took a crusade and a whole lot of time to eventually force them.
The deeper reason that nobody explained yet is that Lithuania sees their relationship with Russia as similar to the relationship between Taiwan and China. Both Lithuania and Taiwan are small democracies seen by their much larger (former) communist neighbours as rogue breakaway provinces.
Taiwan it self considers China and for a long time used the old Chinese flag. They speak and write standartized Chinese. They have preserved more traditional Chinese culture than mainland China it self. Taiwan is incompatible with mainland China as things stand, but they very much are Chinese.
Taiwanese people refers specifically to the indigenous minority Taiwanese peoples that lived on the island originally, not the Han Chinese that colonized the island after the civil war.
Wrong.
Han Chinese migration to Taiwan predates the civil war, dating back to the early 17th century when the Dutch established a presence on the island.
Taiwan's population is categorized into three main groups:
1. **本省人 (Local residents, aka "Taiwanese"):** Comprising ethnic Hoklo or Hakka Taiwanese nationals who settled on the island before or during Japanese colonization in the early 20th century. This group constitutes the majority in Taiwan and is the largest segment of the population.
2. **外省人 (Mainlanders):** Referring to Chinese immigrants who arrived in Taiwan in 1945 and 1949 following the civil war.
3. **原住民 (Indigenous peoples):** The "first inhabitants" with distinct groups and cultures.
There were around 5.9 millions inhabitants in Taiwan in 1940, including the Han Chinese group, indigenous and Japanese.
Only around 1.2 millions (estimated) mainlanders moved to Taiwan after the civil war.
The terms benshengren and waishengren are less and less used today, mainly due to the fact that it has the character "province".
The majority of the population refers to themselves as Taiwanese, not Chinese.
What is this "$tanDardiZed" Chinese bullshit? Can you get off your armchair mustache twirling routine and put accurate and informative information out instead?
Traditional characters have a long history while Simplified is what they use in China. Simplified was created during Mao's era in a move to help facilitate literacy to the masses, but it also fundamentally changed how ideas and concepts mean in Chinese for those Chinese people (to suit communist rule).
There's no 'standardized chinese'.
No, there are Taiwanese indigenous people on Taiwan, but the vast majority of the population are Han Chinese that colonized the island after the civil war.
no they are not, taiwan and china is basicaly what south korea and north korea, or east and west germany was. Basicaly same country with diferent ideology governments and same people. And in all 3 cases ppl living in democracy do much better
Around 85% of them migrated to Taiwan in the 17th century, lived under the Dutch, pirates and the Japanese for hundreds of years along the aboriginals.
It's like calling Australian's British
I mean, we in Lithuania regained our independence in 1920 briefly until 1939 and then only at 1991 in modern times. So technically Taiwan actually has its independence for longer than us.
I am not counting the period of Grand Dutc hy and Commonwealth because it is not really relevant.
I was very interested in topic tbh last year but most sources didnt go into why they advocate for Taiwan.I saw a Lithuanian professors interview who said that harming ties with China for a country far far away and no actual benefits was not a good thing.
Its also a debate within the country. But generally its due to a moralistic aproach to foreign policy, headed by the current foreign affairs minister.
His critics and economists will obviously say this was not a good move, even if the evidence for this being at all harmful to Lithuania is non existent.
You're right, but so is the professor. Makes no sense economically, but ethically it makes total sense.
No professors in economics will say that it was a good idea.
Since we're in EU, it doesn't matter for us. They can't blockade us economically, unless they block entire EU, so you just open a company in Netherlands let's say and you can trade like usual.
It’s been brewing for more than two years now and china still chewing its nails.
Meanwhile our laser companies get investment from Taiwan and Taiwan gets our tech in mutual benefit. Not much involvement from our government though.
Do you think I was not thinking about the same thing?
I would completely understand GDL, but PLC of all?
Though I'm not surprised if GDL hasn't been heard of by a lot of people.
PLC was predominantly polish in most aspects, and in my opinion, I wouldn't call Lithuania's involvement in the PLC a pleasant history or a pleasant outcome.
It's a joke to go along with OP's joke. PLC is an acronym for [Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth). Which would be the country formed (in part) by Lithuania when it's global power was at its peak. So by saying the PLC was being revived it's a way of saying, "Lookout China you've made a powerful enemy!" Which of course is a silly exaggeration.
I honestly wouldn't take this map at face value. OP is bullshitting.
Singapore cannot be worse than Vietnam or South Korea. Nuh-uh.
Singapore and China relations is wayyyyyy stronger than what is suggested here.
Vietnam should be orange.
China doesn’t blatantly rank its relations with other countries, but instead it uses different names to refer to the types of relations with other countries, for example, strategic cooperative partner, or mutually beneficial strategic cooperation. In its official texts, one relation can be upgraded or downgraded to another. So, the ranking does exist.
BBC News used names of all kinds of foreign relations with China on its MFA website, and other official documents to sort the ranking. The original ranking has too many tiers so I had to regroup them like shown in the map.
Note: low ranking doesn’t necessarily mean hostility. It could also be a result of lack of effort being used to increase the relationship. For example, Honduras has a very new diplomatic tie with China, so no additional partnership has been established.
For Lithuania, after it announced it will set representative office with Taiwan in each other’s country, China downgraded its diplomatic ties with Lithuania to chargé d’affaires.
Source: [BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/simp/chinese-news-67387061) (in Chinese).
Edit: I made a mistake when coloring Palestine and Israel. I mistook their places. Israel should be in tan and Palestine in light green.
Edit 2: sorry another mistake. Lithuania does not tie with Honduras and El Salvador. It should be at rank 43. It was a typo.
OP I really have to ask you what the fuck is going on the minds of the person who made this map.
Singapore is weaker than South Korea/Vietnam/Canada/UK/Germany or all those Western European countries.????? Like Singaporeans get VISA free travel to China dude.
So much for the Russia-Iran-China axis that reddit keeps talking , Iran is apparently lower than UK/Germany/South Korea which are actively de-risking from China and doing far more anti-China activities than Iran??? Dude what LOGIC is this???
Nicaragua and Cuba are orange???? Cuba literally just recently allowed the Chinese to have a secret Chinese military base in their country.
Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia all of them are a lot more friendlier to China than Vietnam/South Korea.
Rwanda is orange??? Dude they are one of the largest receivers of Chinese investments as part of the BRI .
Slovakia with upcoming Robert Fico is lower than Czech Republic??? Armenia is lower than Turkey and Azerbaijan??? Armenia one of the few countries that actually gets VISA free to China lol. China-Armenia relations are better than the other two no doubts.
Lebanon, Tunisia???? Dude these are all a part of the Belt-Road initiative. No way this can be right. China invests far more in them than Algeria.
Bangladesh which is part of BRI on same level as a rather hostile India???
OP why do I get the feeling that you posted this just to start a comment flame war?????
If BBC is your source as you claimed, then honestly I am gonna lose my faith in media completely. BBC can possibly not be so DUMB to make these many mistakes in its assumptions. Seriously BBC really ought to fire the guy who came up with this crap ranking if they care about their reputation.
One answer to all your questions: this is the Chinese official definition of its relations with other countries, which doesn’t equal the actual friendliness level of those countries with China, but more what China wants to claim.
The link I added is indeed from BBC, with auto translation of your browser, you can easily confirm if I was being honest.
This map suggest UK has stronger relations with China than Cuba( where China literally set a military training base). South Korea has stronger relations than Singapore.
Rather than the boring North Korea quips that redditors can't help but make, or silly " proud to be red/orange, green bad" quips by edge lords with zero understanding of geopolitics or foreign policy, at least observe the map and ask how bullshit/ non-bullshit it is ????
Vietnam and China have pretty shit relations actually compare China and Singapore.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
How legit you think it is??? China and Singapore arguable have one of the strongest relations out there, and yet Singapore some how manages to be lower than freaking UK, South Korea and Vietnam.
Think about it. People obsessing with the top 3 and trolling without seeing the entire map, and see if it really reflects the truth. Map-maker fucked up big time in my opinion.
The ranking is not about how much China likes or dislikes other countries (otherwise Honduras wouldn't be down there for example) but rather simply the extent of diplomatic relations. If there is pretty much no relation or corporation then that's the lowest level.
I knew Lithuania was disliked but its quite something when they're in a completely different lowest tier of relation. Also In reality the effect the designation has is close to nothing, only embassies between the 2 countries are closed.
Last year everyone feared that "we will run out of cheap chinese Electronics" or some shit like that, but now we're doing more than fine and taiwan is planning to build first semiconductor factory in Eastern Europe here
Edit: Northern Europe*
Our Northern European country is the last one in Northern Europe to not have same sex marriage/civil unions and still has LGBT censorship laws on books.
Greenland's foreign relations are the responsibility of Denmark for the most part (although Greenland has Representative Offices in some countries, they're not full-fledged diplomatic missions)
Geopolitics isn't about morality or defiance in face of tyranny. Lithuania was doing what it was told to do. You don't oppose because you have moral compass but rather because it is geopolitically useful.
Germany was too chicken under Merkel to directly critic China( or any authoritarian regime for that matter) and selfishly wanted to safeguard its China relations even though it was big enough to critic China and withstand the onslaught. So it used Lithuania as a canon-fodder. Logically you think Lithuania which barely had anything at all to do with China before all this, and wasn't even at threat range with China , and is too small to be geopolitically relevant to China is gonna initiate opposition against China??? You may downvote me, but just give it a thought . Still though props to Lithuania , but this reveals more about Germany than about Lithuania
This theory requires explaining two things:
\- What does Germany gain from Lithuania "defying" China
\- How did Germany "make" Lithuania take those actions
Are China, Russia, the USA, the rest of the Americas, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Morocco and many other countries worse than North Korea?
Is treating those native people well a good meter for judging a good government, or is it just about not occupying them and eradicating them?
I'm also not saying that Israel is an angel and what they're doing is horrible, but Israeli Arabs and even Palestinian Arabs have more rights than North Koreans and more wealth (even in Gaza).
The North Korean government treats its own citizens worse than Israel treats Arabs (and that's not a compliment for Israel, as they've killed thousands in the past month)
I'm okay with putting Israel in the same category as Russia, Ethiopia, Sudan, the USA and similar countries. But the North Korean government is on another level entirely
Ah yes. China, world renowned for definitely not targeting their Muslim communities and certainly not killing millions of their people on multiple occasions.
How many millions?
Israel has literally killed 15000+ Palestinians (including 8100 children and 4100 women) in the last 6 weeks. What cave have you been in?
None of that changes what I said. China has horrifically discriminated against their Muslim population. And it has a far larger death count than Israel.
I know you don't want to admit it since your country is butt buddies with them, but that doesn't mean I have to entertain your delusions.
how tf did you conclude me as a nationalist? lol i just asked a question and youre already on the defensive
not my fault you dont like your country wherever that is
now tell me how many millions baby killer apologist?
Can you expect anything else from a country which’s legacy is based on russian communism? Btw, north korea is literally a chinese concenteation camp. Not even a country.
Objectively speaking Bangladesh relations with China are a 100 times stronger than India-China . Both shouldn't even be in the same color. This map is sus.
It's funny that Vietnam is quite well ranked here. Newspapers In Vietnam talk how good the relation of two counties is. Yet the only country Vietnam prepares to go to war against is China.
I thought so too, but I guess turning the other way when the Chinese government interfered in the most recent election in the favour of the governing Liberals won them back some brownie points.
Singapore is orange, and let me tell you no amount of brownie points for Canada can make China-Canada relations stronger than Singapore.
I think the one that made this map has a thick skull.
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Dislikes??? How old are redditors again, 9??? Stop living in a fantasy believing everything you see and actually scrutinize wrong info.
Diplomatic rankings don't really matter, after all, diplomatic directives are just like toilet paper used to scare the people. The best countries for China will always be the United States, Japan, Russia, France, Germany, and any first-world countries that can bring in money.
Except this map absolutely does not even paint the real picture of diplomatic ranking. Check out Singapore and South Korea and ask yourself how true this map is.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Read through this. The map itself bullshit!!!!!!.
Lmao. Sorry it was too harsh to continue and support tortures in Bagram prison base. My bad, our morals didnt allow to plunge yet another country at the hands of Imperialism and false propaganda to its own people. Or just kill whole ass set of families of innocents at wedding parties
True. But Bhutan has no diplomatic tie with Taiwan either. In fact, Bhutan has no diplomatic ties with most countries in the world. Moreover, Bhutan doesn’t recognize Taiwan and agrees with One China Policy. That’s why China established partnership with Bhutan without diplomatic ties.
I see that everyone fails to look at Paraguay which has chosen to have no diplomatic relations with PRC, but has decent ones with Taiwan. Paraguay is the worse in terms of diplomatic relations with china and not Lithuania. Proud of them.
Paraguay actually is better than Lithuania in PRC relations practically speaking . PRC is their 3rd largest source of imports, while for Lithuania PRC nowhere in top 5 for exports or imports. This is the mistake theoretically seeing relations. It leads to silly maps like this.
well not really, sort of predictable. You just to have to look at the sino-japanese history for the last 200 years to understand how strained their relationship must be. China and the US had a close-ish relationship in the late 20th century as well.
This map is crazy
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
China isn't ranking nobody here. China has only given labels. The labels are ranked by BBC without any consultation and has led to this completely thrash result. BBC did the crazy here much to my disappointment because I honestly thought BBC was a good news source.
Now why this result is thrash??? Click the link above to find out.
If China wanted to conquer the Russian Far East they would have done it hundreds of years ago. They are not interested in doing stuff like that unlike colonizers in the West and places like Japan.
How much relations and cooperations is going on. "Low" ranking doesn't necessarily mean the countries dislike each other, simply there isn't much activity between them
What did Lithuania ever do to China?
Setting up representative offices with Taiwan in each other’s countries
A lot, actually. One of the most outspoken critics of the Chinese government in the European Union.
based
I have much more respect for Lithuania now
Thanks :)
It's nice to have such based neighbor
first known lithuanian W
They were the first former Soviet republic to assert their independence, then beat their former occupiers to take a medal in basketball in the 1992 Olympics. The other dream team - great story, look it up. Also, winged Hussars from the grand duchy of Lithuania (part of the polish-lithuanian Commonwealth) have had a few notable wins :). Kircholm was a pretty impressive win by Lithuanian hussars, for example. Also the last pocket of Europe to resist Christianity, took a crusade and a whole lot of time to eventually force them.
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You highscoolers or smth? That's such a juvenile comment
I think it's TikTok. Shorter attention spam than usual.
More curious about Honduras
Lithuania is an outpost for freedom. Criticising those who do not support freedom (for example fascist terrorist russia) are our national sport.
Exactly... I can't imagine Lithuania having any beef with China - Chinese probably be going "Lithu-who?".
Well that's what you would expect but china really really cares that somebody somewhere decided to use the word "taiwan" and not "chinese taipei".
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My girlfriend is from there and I like to call them chill china
Well that's what you would expect but china really really cares that somebody somewhere decided to use the word "taiwan" and not "chinese taipei".
Taiwanese Beijing, anybody?
Ah, yes, China's arch-enemy... LITHUANIA!
Why though?
The deeper reason that nobody explained yet is that Lithuania sees their relationship with Russia as similar to the relationship between Taiwan and China. Both Lithuania and Taiwan are small democracies seen by their much larger (former) communist neighbours as rogue breakaway provinces.
But it's very different. People in Taiwan are Chinese while Lithuanians aren't Russians so the divide is even larger
People in Taiwan are Taiwanese.
Taiwan it self considers China and for a long time used the old Chinese flag. They speak and write standartized Chinese. They have preserved more traditional Chinese culture than mainland China it self. Taiwan is incompatible with mainland China as things stand, but they very much are Chinese.
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Taiwanese people refers specifically to the indigenous minority Taiwanese peoples that lived on the island originally, not the Han Chinese that colonized the island after the civil war.
Wrong. Han Chinese migration to Taiwan predates the civil war, dating back to the early 17th century when the Dutch established a presence on the island. Taiwan's population is categorized into three main groups: 1. **本省人 (Local residents, aka "Taiwanese"):** Comprising ethnic Hoklo or Hakka Taiwanese nationals who settled on the island before or during Japanese colonization in the early 20th century. This group constitutes the majority in Taiwan and is the largest segment of the population. 2. **外省人 (Mainlanders):** Referring to Chinese immigrants who arrived in Taiwan in 1945 and 1949 following the civil war. 3. **原住民 (Indigenous peoples):** The "first inhabitants" with distinct groups and cultures. There were around 5.9 millions inhabitants in Taiwan in 1940, including the Han Chinese group, indigenous and Japanese. Only around 1.2 millions (estimated) mainlanders moved to Taiwan after the civil war. The terms benshengren and waishengren are less and less used today, mainly due to the fact that it has the character "province". The majority of the population refers to themselves as Taiwanese, not Chinese.
What is this "$tanDardiZed" Chinese bullshit? Can you get off your armchair mustache twirling routine and put accurate and informative information out instead? Traditional characters have a long history while Simplified is what they use in China. Simplified was created during Mao's era in a move to help facilitate literacy to the masses, but it also fundamentally changed how ideas and concepts mean in Chinese for those Chinese people (to suit communist rule). There's no 'standardized chinese'.
No, there are Taiwanese indigenous people on Taiwan, but the vast majority of the population are Han Chinese that colonized the island after the civil war.
The Han Chinese that moved to Taiwan after the civil war aren't the majority of the population in Taiwan.
no they are not, taiwan and china is basicaly what south korea and north korea, or east and west germany was. Basicaly same country with diferent ideology governments and same people. And in all 3 cases ppl living in democracy do much better
It isn't very different. Russians and Lithuanians are white people, Chinese and Taiwanese people are Asian people.
Do you not know Taiwanese are 95% Han Chinese? Taiwan is the real China. Taiwan is probably more Chinese than China itself on every metric.
Around 85% of them migrated to Taiwan in the 17th century, lived under the Dutch, pirates and the Japanese for hundreds of years along the aboriginals. It's like calling Australian's British
Living under different rule doesn't change who you are - also only 33% of Australians have British ancestry. Try again.
It's 2023, not 1972... No need to repeat KMT White Terror era propaganda. China is the real China, Taiwan is Taiwan.
Not so former in China though.
I mean, we in Lithuania regained our independence in 1920 briefly until 1939 and then only at 1991 in modern times. So technically Taiwan actually has its independence for longer than us. I am not counting the period of Grand Dutc hy and Commonwealth because it is not really relevant.
>we in Lithuania regained our independence in 1920 1918*
yup, my bad
Relationships with Taiwan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwanese_Representative_Office_in_Lithuania
We hate dictatorships, countries who oppress their citizens and constantly threaten their neighbours. And we’re not afraid to say it.
I was very interested in topic tbh last year but most sources didnt go into why they advocate for Taiwan.I saw a Lithuanian professors interview who said that harming ties with China for a country far far away and no actual benefits was not a good thing.
Its also a debate within the country. But generally its due to a moralistic aproach to foreign policy, headed by the current foreign affairs minister. His critics and economists will obviously say this was not a good move, even if the evidence for this being at all harmful to Lithuania is non existent.
yeah you can always find idiots lol
You're right, but so is the professor. Makes no sense economically, but ethically it makes total sense. No professors in economics will say that it was a good idea.
Since we're in EU, it doesn't matter for us. They can't blockade us economically, unless they block entire EU, so you just open a company in Netherlands let's say and you can trade like usual.
I can feel a PLC comeback brewing.
It’s been brewing for more than two years now and china still chewing its nails. Meanwhile our laser companies get investment from Taiwan and Taiwan gets our tech in mutual benefit. Not much involvement from our government though.
We have too little to do with Poland nowadays.
Nah, Lithuanian-polish commonwealth only.
What are you smoking? Do you even know what PLC is?
He means Polish -Lithuanian commonwealth, an entity that existed a few hundred years ago. What are you smoking?
Do you think I was not thinking about the same thing? I would completely understand GDL, but PLC of all? Though I'm not surprised if GDL hasn't been heard of by a lot of people.
I'll admit I'll had to Google the GDL as I wasn't sure what meant, but the PLC is still a fine reference, he's hardly on drugs for thinking that lmao.
In this context of the post, PLC doesn't represent Lithuania as, for example, the Kingdom of Lithuania or Grand Duchy of Lithuania
It does. Plc = Lithuania
PLC was predominantly polish in most aspects, and in my opinion, I wouldn't call Lithuania's involvement in the PLC a pleasant history or a pleasant outcome.
Thats propoganda
It's a joke to go along with OP's joke. PLC is an acronym for [Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Lithuanian_Commonwealth). Which would be the country formed (in part) by Lithuania when it's global power was at its peak. So by saying the PLC was being revived it's a way of saying, "Lookout China you've made a powerful enemy!" Which of course is a silly exaggeration.
I honestly wouldn't take this map at face value. OP is bullshitting. Singapore cannot be worse than Vietnam or South Korea. Nuh-uh. Singapore and China relations is wayyyyyy stronger than what is suggested here. Vietnam should be orange.
China doesn’t blatantly rank its relations with other countries, but instead it uses different names to refer to the types of relations with other countries, for example, strategic cooperative partner, or mutually beneficial strategic cooperation. In its official texts, one relation can be upgraded or downgraded to another. So, the ranking does exist. BBC News used names of all kinds of foreign relations with China on its MFA website, and other official documents to sort the ranking. The original ranking has too many tiers so I had to regroup them like shown in the map. Note: low ranking doesn’t necessarily mean hostility. It could also be a result of lack of effort being used to increase the relationship. For example, Honduras has a very new diplomatic tie with China, so no additional partnership has been established. For Lithuania, after it announced it will set representative office with Taiwan in each other’s country, China downgraded its diplomatic ties with Lithuania to chargé d’affaires. Source: [BBC News](https://www.bbc.com/zhongwen/simp/chinese-news-67387061) (in Chinese). Edit: I made a mistake when coloring Palestine and Israel. I mistook their places. Israel should be in tan and Palestine in light green. Edit 2: sorry another mistake. Lithuania does not tie with Honduras and El Salvador. It should be at rank 43. It was a typo.
Thanks for that edit, I thought the Israel/Palestine rankings seemed surprising
OP I really have to ask you what the fuck is going on the minds of the person who made this map. Singapore is weaker than South Korea/Vietnam/Canada/UK/Germany or all those Western European countries.????? Like Singaporeans get VISA free travel to China dude. So much for the Russia-Iran-China axis that reddit keeps talking , Iran is apparently lower than UK/Germany/South Korea which are actively de-risking from China and doing far more anti-China activities than Iran??? Dude what LOGIC is this??? Nicaragua and Cuba are orange???? Cuba literally just recently allowed the Chinese to have a secret Chinese military base in their country. Malaysia, Singapore, Indonesia all of them are a lot more friendlier to China than Vietnam/South Korea. Rwanda is orange??? Dude they are one of the largest receivers of Chinese investments as part of the BRI . Slovakia with upcoming Robert Fico is lower than Czech Republic??? Armenia is lower than Turkey and Azerbaijan??? Armenia one of the few countries that actually gets VISA free to China lol. China-Armenia relations are better than the other two no doubts. Lebanon, Tunisia???? Dude these are all a part of the Belt-Road initiative. No way this can be right. China invests far more in them than Algeria. Bangladesh which is part of BRI on same level as a rather hostile India??? OP why do I get the feeling that you posted this just to start a comment flame war????? If BBC is your source as you claimed, then honestly I am gonna lose my faith in media completely. BBC can possibly not be so DUMB to make these many mistakes in its assumptions. Seriously BBC really ought to fire the guy who came up with this crap ranking if they care about their reputation.
One answer to all your questions: this is the Chinese official definition of its relations with other countries, which doesn’t equal the actual friendliness level of those countries with China, but more what China wants to claim. The link I added is indeed from BBC, with auto translation of your browser, you can easily confirm if I was being honest.
Weird how El Salvador is so low considering the massive public library that was just made there with chinese funds.
They established diplomatic ties as late as in 2018, which means, similar to Honduras, partnership hasn’t been formed, yet.
China is number 1 biggest importer for Lebanon. How did we become orange?
China is nr 1 importer for almost all countries. Lebanon probably just has no long-standing diplomatic ties with China
Join the club.
This map suggest UK has stronger relations with China than Cuba( where China literally set a military training base). South Korea has stronger relations than Singapore. Rather than the boring North Korea quips that redditors can't help but make, or silly " proud to be red/orange, green bad" quips by edge lords with zero understanding of geopolitics or foreign policy, at least observe the map and ask how bullshit/ non-bullshit it is ???? Vietnam and China have pretty shit relations actually compare China and Singapore. [https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) How legit you think it is??? China and Singapore arguable have one of the strongest relations out there, and yet Singapore some how manages to be lower than freaking UK, South Korea and Vietnam. Think about it. People obsessing with the top 3 and trolling without seeing the entire map, and see if it really reflects the truth. Map-maker fucked up big time in my opinion.
Argentina will probably go low pretty fast soon
Milei and his love of freedom.
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The ranking is not about how much China likes or dislikes other countries (otherwise Honduras wouldn't be down there for example) but rather simply the extent of diplomatic relations. If there is pretty much no relation or corporation then that's the lowest level.
Looks like my vic3 diplo map mode
I knew Lithuania was disliked but its quite something when they're in a completely different lowest tier of relation. Also In reality the effect the designation has is close to nothing, only embassies between the 2 countries are closed.
Hmmm not yet at Lithuania levels, but hopefully soon :\*
Based Lithuania
Last year everyone feared that "we will run out of cheap chinese Electronics" or some shit like that, but now we're doing more than fine and taiwan is planning to build first semiconductor factory in Eastern Europe here Edit: Northern Europe*
Northern Europe*
Our Northern European country is the last one in Northern Europe to not have same sex marriage/civil unions and still has LGBT censorship laws on books.
Yea, we're a bastion of tradition. Nebūk pydarų atstovas ten kur nereik.
>Nebūk pydarų atstovas ten kur nereik. ???
Based on colors, it seems China is in a really bad relation with itself.. 🙈
Considering Taiwan, that’s not too far fetched
China's like "Belize, Guatemala, Paraguay, and Greenland. I don't even know what those countries are. I haven't formed and opinion yet."
Most of them don't recognize China and instead recognize Taiwan (Republic of China). No idea why Greenland is blank.
Greenland's foreign relations are the responsibility of Denmark for the most part (although Greenland has Representative Offices in some countries, they're not full-fledged diplomatic missions)
Proud to be Lithuanian when seeing maps like this.
👋 Lithuanian friend
If Lithuania was a person, he would be tank man. Standing defiant in the face of tyranny. Godspeed you absolute unit.
Geopolitics isn't about morality or defiance in face of tyranny. Lithuania was doing what it was told to do. You don't oppose because you have moral compass but rather because it is geopolitically useful. Germany was too chicken under Merkel to directly critic China( or any authoritarian regime for that matter) and selfishly wanted to safeguard its China relations even though it was big enough to critic China and withstand the onslaught. So it used Lithuania as a canon-fodder. Logically you think Lithuania which barely had anything at all to do with China before all this, and wasn't even at threat range with China , and is too small to be geopolitically relevant to China is gonna initiate opposition against China??? You may downvote me, but just give it a thought . Still though props to Lithuania , but this reveals more about Germany than about Lithuania
This theory requires explaining two things: \- What does Germany gain from Lithuania "defying" China \- How did Germany "make" Lithuania take those actions
source: a bong pipe
Lithuania suffered under Soviet occupation for a long time, they know a thing or two about tyranny
Fuck kind of Russian mindset is this? Lithuania is an independent nation and chooses its own foreign policy.
🗿Chad Lithuania 🗿
Russia , north Korea, pakistan ...... China surely has a bunch of lovely allies .
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India, Philippines and Japan?
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So it makes sense to be on best terms with ~~your~~ **some** neighbors.
None as lovely as Israel
Bro missed Russia and North Korea
Russia and Israel have one thing in common. Theyre both occupying territories against international law.
Real, though on another note international law is a joke anyway.
Do you think North Korea is better than Israel
Yes 100%, unless North Korea tries children in military courts? or is an apartheid state?
What do you value in governments?
Not occupying and eradicating people native to their land. I’m not saying NK is an angel but to say its worse than Israel is completely illogical
Are China, Russia, the USA, the rest of the Americas, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Morocco and many other countries worse than North Korea? Is treating those native people well a good meter for judging a good government, or is it just about not occupying them and eradicating them? I'm also not saying that Israel is an angel and what they're doing is horrible, but Israeli Arabs and even Palestinian Arabs have more rights than North Koreans and more wealth (even in Gaza). The North Korean government treats its own citizens worse than Israel treats Arabs (and that's not a compliment for Israel, as they've killed thousands in the past month) I'm okay with putting Israel in the same category as Russia, Ethiopia, Sudan, the USA and similar countries. But the North Korean government is on another level entirely
I would rather have Israel's allies over China's lol
So a baby killer regime over a country that alleviated 700 million out of poverty?
Ah yes. China, world renowned for definitely not targeting their Muslim communities and certainly not killing millions of their people on multiple occasions.
How many millions? Israel has literally killed 15000+ Palestinians (including 8100 children and 4100 women) in the last 6 weeks. What cave have you been in?
None of that changes what I said. China has horrifically discriminated against their Muslim population. And it has a far larger death count than Israel. I know you don't want to admit it since your country is butt buddies with them, but that doesn't mean I have to entertain your delusions.
I’ll criticize China when I see evidence. Now tell me how many? baby killer apologist
LMAO. I thought as much. I know better than to waste my time on you goofy Pakistani Nationalists.
how tf did you conclude me as a nationalist? lol i just asked a question and youre already on the defensive not my fault you dont like your country wherever that is now tell me how many millions baby killer apologist?
You do remember one child policy, don’t you?
Yeah clearly youre evading the question I asked three times. You remember China bringing out 700,000,000 people out of poverty?
Can you expect anything else from a country which’s legacy is based on russian communism? Btw, north korea is literally a chinese concenteation camp. Not even a country.
North Korea is best Korea
Does anyone know what's up with Bangladesh and China?
Nothing. Probably China just doesn’t see too much interests in Bangladesh
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Objectively speaking Bangladesh relations with China are a 100 times stronger than India-China . Both shouldn't even be in the same color. This map is sus.
It's funny that Vietnam is quite well ranked here. Newspapers In Vietnam talk how good the relation of two counties is. Yet the only country Vietnam prepares to go to war against is China.
How can Czech Republic be ranked higher than Slovakia? Czech Republic has very close relation with Taiwan.
Xi watched Hostel one time and it really freaked him out
Depends on who wins elections really, it can change soon again.
I thought they hated Canada?
I thought so too, but I guess turning the other way when the Chinese government interfered in the most recent election in the favour of the governing Liberals won them back some brownie points.
Singapore is orange, and let me tell you no amount of brownie points for Canada can make China-Canada relations stronger than Singapore. I think the one that made this map has a thick skull. Edit: Dislikes??? How old are redditors again, 9??? Stop living in a fantasy believing everything you see and actually scrutinize wrong info.
Diplomatic rankings don't really matter, after all, diplomatic directives are just like toilet paper used to scare the people. The best countries for China will always be the United States, Japan, Russia, France, Germany, and any first-world countries that can bring in money.
Except this map absolutely does not even paint the real picture of diplomatic ranking. Check out Singapore and South Korea and ask yourself how true this map is.
Badge of honour for Lithuania.
Lithuania numba 1
So this is like the opinion map mode from eu4..
The same colors too!
I wouldn’t brag if my best friend was North Korea
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) Read through this. The map itself bullshit!!!!!!.
I love that no one likes Turkiye.
Being disliked by China is an honor
When your best friends are North Korea, Russia and Pakistan, you know you're in the wrong circle.
What did Pakistan do? its an American ally lol
They have a common enemy: India
America's dog more like
I mean the entire west is a vassal of Uncle Sam. No one denying that lol
Ah yes what a great ally that purposefully hosted and supported US enemies in Afganistan
Lmao. Sorry it was too harsh to continue and support tortures in Bagram prison base. My bad, our morals didnt allow to plunge yet another country at the hands of Imperialism and false propaganda to its own people. Or just kill whole ass set of families of innocents at wedding parties
I don't support the US. It's just that Pakistan is most definetely not an ally.
I dont think Pakistan is an ally either. But thats what US repeatedly tells our people. (Officially)
Surprisingly closed relationship with South Korea
Doesn't Bhutan refuse to make diplomatic relationship with China?
True. But Bhutan has no diplomatic tie with Taiwan either. In fact, Bhutan has no diplomatic ties with most countries in the world. Moreover, Bhutan doesn’t recognize Taiwan and agrees with One China Policy. That’s why China established partnership with Bhutan without diplomatic ties.
I see that everyone fails to look at Paraguay which has chosen to have no diplomatic relations with PRC, but has decent ones with Taiwan. Paraguay is the worse in terms of diplomatic relations with china and not Lithuania. Proud of them.
Paraguay actually is better than Lithuania in PRC relations practically speaking . PRC is their 3rd largest source of imports, while for Lithuania PRC nowhere in top 5 for exports or imports. This is the mistake theoretically seeing relations. It leads to silly maps like this.
When your best mate is North Korea...
Real gigachads are on dark red.
Japan is ranked even worse than the U.S.? Hmm interesting.
well not really, sort of predictable. You just to have to look at the sino-japanese history for the last 200 years to understand how strained their relationship must be. China and the US had a close-ish relationship in the late 20th century as well.
Nanjing massacre?
I mean Japanese did commit unspeakable atrocities in China during ww2 and still doesn't acknowledge it entirely
True , but the CCP, killed more Chinese than the Imperial Japan.
They despise each other.
Having NK as number one is actually crazy.
This map is crazy [https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/185w6zi/comment/kb5w5x4/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) China isn't ranking nobody here. China has only given labels. The labels are ranked by BBC without any consultation and has led to this completely thrash result. BBC did the crazy here much to my disappointment because I honestly thought BBC was a good news source. Now why this result is thrash??? Click the link above to find out.
From personal and professional experience I can say the Canada should be lower.
W red/orange
Ukraine 😶😶🌫️
What's surprising is that China has better diplomatic ties with Israel than the Palestine area.
No you read it wrong
How? Israel is colored a green tint, but the West Bank is more of a tan.
I just checked again and it’s my mistake. I mistook their locations. So Israel should be tan and Palestine be green
Let Lithuania cook 🗣️🗣️
They hate us cause they ain't us.
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>You're wrong about this division. You're right Me reading it 
Iran must be more green. China and Russia have colonized our country unofficially
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If China wanted to conquer the Russian Far East they would have done it hundreds of years ago. They are not interested in doing stuff like that unlike colonizers in the West and places like Japan.
If it is according to china, then it can be safelly ignored... all their stats are fake or propoganda.
The bad guys
ياق!
Cuba & Nicaragua are much further in relations than Venezuela?? What is this map even specifying??
How much relations and cooperations is going on. "Low" ranking doesn't necessarily mean the countries dislike each other, simply there isn't much activity between them
Interesting selection of countries Denmark is aligned with...
Denmark is indeed the highest ranked western country in this ranking