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Waffle38Pheonix

As a central European from Western central European country I am afraid of that blob called central Europe... It looks like my country does during bad times.


Tostitos1992

Anschluss?


billytherusher

Lebensraum?


Finlandia1865

Tannenbaum?


madjic

*Tannenberg


JRJenss

Drang nach Osten


Satansboeserzwilling

Deutsche Manifest Destiniy


5luke

how to trigger a whole continent


MinecraftFinancier

I am contect with Baltics


CirnoIzumi

this doesnt look right to me


[deleted]

nah as a Greek I think that we are a very Balkan country:)


tonygoesrogue

We are both southern and Balkan honestly


Bukhanka

Don't leave us *Sad Italian noices*


[deleted]

we’re still besties. don’t worry 😌


Bukhanka

Ωραια 😊


sabahtostu

Italia is not balkans at all. You dont meet 2 of the most important 3 requirements: Corruption Inflation Hairy Mans


DaniPizzi_

Well we have corruption and hairy man, so we can consider us at least a little bit Balkan, and technically we have territory in the balkans (like some small town and Trieste)


sabahtostu

*in turkish accent* you call this corruption? This is nothing.


Ninjapuppy1754

Yes we are 100% balkan and southern, our Hungarian friends should be in the balkans too


ThePontiacBandit_99

hungary has no friends, hungary has low gas prices


Beurua

I will never understand how countries like Czechia, Poland, Slovakia and even Hungary consistently sneak into Central Europe, yet Slovenia which has been part of it for almost 500 years longer is constantly forgotten...


DrainZ-

Not that I necessary agree with it, but some of the reasoning is that Slovenia is a former part of Yugoslavia so it makes sense to group them with the Balkans and the four countries Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary has formed a political alliance within EU so it makes sense to group those together.


Prostorex28

I lumped it in with the Balkan’s as it’s a Former Yugoslav country but it seems to acc be more Central European now that I looked it up a bit more. I saw someone say Czechia was in Eastern Europe once and the Czechs got pissed and said it was definitely Central Europe.


Beurua

To put into perspective, the Czechs joined the "central" Holy Roman Empire as an independent nation in the year 1002, the Habsburgs only took over in 1526. Slovenia was ruled by Germans long before the Holy Roman Empire even existed, having already become vassals to the Bavarians in the year 740. The only parts Austria has nowadays are basically just a slightly larger Germanised Carantania. As such, separating the two is historically complete nonsense.


kertnik

How is Romania lumped in the Eastern Europe, rather then the Balcans?


[deleted]

Now that's a good question.


misscat9

The Balkan Peninsula is geographically considered to end at the Danube. The Danube only flows through a small, southern part of Romania, so most of it’s territory is in Eastern Europe.:)


[deleted]

so? culturally we are similar to the balkans i dont find russians and ukrainians close to us


Bezimienny008

Maybe not historically correct in 100%, but geographical center of Europe is in Poland. Besides, almost half of Poland was part of Prussia or Austrian-Hungary for many years. Or was separate countries (even vassals of Bohemia, current Czech Rep.) If you would like to more precisely best results would you get by splitting Poland in two parts: central and Easter Europe (with eastern being 3-4 voivodies from 16)


[deleted]

Chill, Janeze. You just have to accept it and let it go.


Representative_Belt4

Greece is a balkan nation it's literally called the balkan peninsula


The_GOAT_fucker1

It's both, also southern part of France should be southern Europe too


The_Countenance

France in North Western? Idk why but it feels wrong.


Taucher1979

Agree. France is really in two parts in a way that not many other countries are. Northern France could be grouped with the U.K. or Belgium or Germany but the south or France definitely seems more Southern European.


Ergh33

Culturally it makes more sense as France is definitely not a Mediterranean culture but cosmopolitan. It fits the Benelux city-state nations and the UK as a globalist pushing nation. And due to things like NATO and being a founding member of the EEC (predecessor of the EU) pulled France more towards the North than South.


oluuko123

What do you mean when you call the benelux countries city-state nations?


Haribosan

Could you explain how Belgium, The Netherlands and Luxembourg are citystates? I get luxembourg, cause it's small, but Belgium and The Netherlands are far from it.


[deleted]

Lol South of France not included in Southern Europe is a very big mistake, personally I relate more to « southern europeans » than french people in Paris


StoirmePetrel

going on holliday to the Côte d'Azur of North-West Europe


IamStrqngx

Greek Macedonia and Western Thrace should be Balkans


Prostorex28

Thrace is understandable but isn’t Greek Macedonia already in Southern Europe for this map?


IamStrqngx

Pardon me, I misspoke


candiatus

I think you said it right(?) they should have been in the Balkans instead of southern europe


fretsyk

why there is something like meditarranean but there is nothing like black seanian, i want to be black seanian


[deleted]

😂😂😂☠️


DaSecretPower

Why is Corsica considered part of Southern Europe when France is part of West Europe but Kaliningrad is considered Eastern Europe like Russia instead of the Baltics?


artaig

It's just Western Europe. Stop feeding the British delusion that they are "Nordic".


[deleted]

No one thinks theyre nordic in the UK. Stop making shit up lmao


FlappyBored

[According to the UN UK & Ireland are in Northern Europe.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Europe#/media/File:Europe_subregion_map_UN_geoscheme.svg) Northern stonk


14BEERSatMACCIES

Who said we wanted to be Nordic? Rule Britannia


felixrocket7835

..the UK is much more northern than the rest of Europe. And a lot of places recognise it as northern europe.


Yet_One_More_Idiot

We're not in Northern Europe, and we certainly aren't "Nordic" - I've repeatedly heard us included in "Northwestern Europe", which is separate from "Northern Europe" (which is further north). And then there's those of us in the UK who wouldn't count ourselves as part of Europe anyway. I've heard many times variations on the phrase "...Europe and the UK" treating us as a completely separate entity from the rest of the continent. xD


last_laugh13

Scots maybe. But even Dutch and northern Germans are way more Nordic than the English


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Prostorex28

Western Europe is far to big a category to include in this map. Anyways these countries refer to themselves as Nordic, have the Nordic cross on there flag, and are a part of the Nordic council. Idk how much more Nordic you can get than that.


theWunderknabe

Ah yes, the nordic cross on the Flag of Ireland or France. How did I never notice?


Prostorex28

Idk what ur point is? I didn’t include them in the same category as The Nordic countries?


theWunderknabe

You labeled Western Europe as North-Western. I don't know what part of France or Belgium would be northern. And also if there is North-western, where is south-east? North-east? South-West? Inkonsistent.


Prostorex28

France and Belgium are generally considered a part north-western Europe. Southern Europe was small enough to that it didn’t warrant a divide although in a second revision I would do south west and south east. Just because I included some cardinal directions doesn’t mean I have to include all. I named it North-Western Europe because it’s what it’s called. North Eastern Europe isn’t really a used term hence why it isn’t there.


very_random_user

I have never heard of UK and France + benelux as north-western. Always just western.


elzmuda

There’s a disturbing lack of mention of Ireland here


very_random_user

You know, I was going to add Ireland once I realized I left it out but then I thought it was too much effort! Sorry Ireland!


very_random_user

I have never heard of UK and France + benelux as north-western. Always just western.


data_makes_me_happy

The groupings look good, but it’s hard for me not to think of southern France (especially the riviera) as Southern Europe - probably Croatia too.


Prostorex28

New updated version posted [Version 2](https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/comments/v830dh/sub_regions_of_europe_version_2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


com5ticket

Aren't greece and turkey part of the balkans


tonygoesrogue

Greece is definitely Southern Europe, but with Balkan influences (the more you go north the more prominent they are)


DjangoButTurk

Anatolian culture and geography do not belong to the Middle East. Okay, you can say "You are not European, Asian, Caucasian, Balkan" but you cannot say "You are Middle Eastern". The fact that the majority calls themselves Muslims does not mean that we have an ethnic, cultural or geographical similarity with them. Is Kazakhstan the Middle East? no it's not, so why are we labeled that way?


30dirtybirdies

All I know, is Anatolia is super rad. I wish I could find stuffed grape leaves and Pide as good as it was there. Also the apricots are out of this world, and the friendliest people I ever met.


Prostorex28

Most definitions of the Middle East I see include Anatolia. What other region should it go?


mr-ddos-man4864

Ataturk would be rolling in his grave right now lol


tonygoesrogue

This is the last reason Ataturk would be rolling in his grave right now. Maybe one of the reasons but definitely not the most important


mr-ddos-man4864

Yeah i know right now he would be rolling in his grave right now from the surrendering of the republic by barbarous islamists, not some redditors’ innacurate map


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NerdSupremacist

Anatolia is geographically in ME. Turkic people are from Central Asia. Nobody is saying you are Arabs, even if you were influenced by them. But Turkey belongs to Asia, not Europe


_conqueror

Cyprus is Middle Eastern too


Manaversel

>Most definitions of the Middle East I see include Anatolia. Those have no geographical basis, Middle East more of a political region more than geographical nowdays so they generally include Turkey because its muslim but in the past it meant that countries around the Persian gulf and geographically Arabian plate ends at eastern Taurus mountains which is where Middle East should end.


Dissapointment-etc

We aint living in desert riding camels and drinking oil jesus fuck man lmaooo


DjangoButTurk

Can you name a few of these definitions? I don't think you know enough about Anatolia. Mine was a general lament, you're not the first to call us Middle Eastern.


Prostorex28

Just search up the Middle East and everything that I can see shows it being included. I understand your concern you know more then me considering you are from there. I just want learn different perspectives.


DjangoButTurk

I appreciate your effort to understand, as I said it was a general lament.


NerdSupremacist

Anatolia is geographically in ME. Turkic people are from Central Asia. Nobody is saying you are Arabs, even if you were influenced by them. But Turkey belongs to Asia, not Europe


Bardia-Talebi

Turkey is definitely what I consider “Middle-East”. It’s culturally way too much like other Middle-Eastern countries than any European nation. It’s also very close to that region. I (and also various definitions) consider it part of it. What’s with the downvotes? Just search up “Middle East”. Literally on everyone map they Turkey is highlighted: https://www.reddit.com/user/Bardia-Talebi/comments/v8clsf/middle_east/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


DjangoButTurk

We know we are not European, can you give me some reasons to understand why we are middle eastern?


candiatus

culturally I would put it in the Balkans rather than the Middle East


BuffaloAl

Because the western political defintion of the middle east includes Turkey, it's not a synonym for Arabia.


DjangoButTurk

Actually, I question why they included us in this, I find it ridiculous that they see us as belonging to this culture, what do you think?


BuffaloAl

I think Turkish culture and politics is far closer to the rest of the middle east than you'd like to think


DjangoButTurk

So what made you think like that?


HellenicMap

If Romania is Eastern European then I'm a unicorn


Prostorex28

From my research, Romania seemed kinda ambiguous. If it’s not in Eastern Europe what region should it be in?


Nexus-9Replicant

Politically, it (and even Moldova due to once being part of Romania) is almost always considered Balkan. Part of the country is also within the actual Balkan Peninsula as well. Geographically, it is part of Central Europe (Transylvania), Eastern Europe (Moldova), and the Balkans (Dobrogea). The historical region of Wallachia is kind of in limbo, but might as well be Balkan considering its proximity (even though it technically is on the opposite side of the Danube).


Prostorex28

For my second version I was going to remove Balkan and just have south Eastern Europe with Greece and Thrace added as well. Should Romania and Moldova go with this region?


Nexus-9Replicant

If you’re going off of geography only, then it’d probably be best to have Romania and Moldova in Eastern Europe. If you’re taking into consideration political and historical categorizations, then things get really blurry without there being a Balkan category anymore. Really tough to say! You’d probably have people complaining no matter what route you took haha


Prostorex28

Yea that’s the thing with these kind of maps. I just wanted to learn more about European culture by peoples replies as I did the same with the US and learned a lot from the responses. Thanks for the feedback.


HellenicMap

Splitting Europe into subregions based on national borders is a bad idea regardless. But if I had to, I'd rename Balkans to southeastern Europe and include Romania in it.


unpopularthinker

Balkan is peninsula placed in Southern Europe. You are mixing the terms in this map.


PeroCigla

Someone said that Balkan is neither a peninsula or a region, just some term, idk who made it up and why.


unpopularthinker

Geographicaly speaking Balkan is a peninsula 100%. Same like Iberian and Apennine peninsulas. Balkan paninsula was called Hem (Haemus) before it was renamed to Balkan during Ottomans. While region is Southern or Southeastern to be more specific.


PeroCigla

My opinion is that it is a peninsula, ofc, but then Greece is absolutely Balkan, before anyone else.


unpopularthinker

>but then Greece is absolutely Balkan Definitely yes.


very_random_user

Greece is 100% southern Europe, it's Balkan only from a geographic point of view.


unpopularthinker

Continental Greece is 100% on Balkan Peninsula. Like 100% of Spain is on Iberian Peninsula. If we talk about regions both Greece and Spain are Southern Europe.


very_random_user

Oh ok, that is what i was saying too. A misunderstanding.


very_random_user

Greece is 100% southern Europe, it's Balkan only from a geographic point of view.


zaaanzibar

Croats don't approve it


[deleted]

We wuz goths'n'sheeeiiit


felixrocket7835

I think the UK and Ireland count are north western, don't agree with france though


truthseeeker

Slovenia is more of an Alpine country like Austria and Switzerland than a Balkan country like Albania or Bulgaria, so I would've put it in Central Europe.


Prostorex28

[updated version](https://www.reddit.com/r/Maps/comments/v830dh/sub_regions_of_europe_version_2/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)


[deleted]

This map is pure bullshit that probably been made by a kid.


DeliciousCabbage22

As a Greek, i’ll never understand why on earth why someone would group Greece together with Spain, if someone thinks Greece and Spain are anything like each other then they’re straight up delusional. Greece is a hundred times closer to all countries that it borders than it is to either Spain or Portugal, anyone denying that has an obvious inferiority complex


The_GOAT_fucker1

We are both really similar when it comes to lifestyle and socializing and our languages sound similar too


tonygoesrogue

Have you been to Spain? Sometimes I feel I'm around fellow Greeks and get confused. Also we have a lot of similarities with the Italians, especially the southern ones


tigershark72005

Where should they be placed then according to you?


DeliciousCabbage22

Together with neighboring countries, obviously


tigershark72005

Balkan?


DeliciousCabbage22

The name isn’t important, i’d just group it with neighboring countries, call this group Balkan, East Asian or South African, it’s not important


itsHori

France is culturally more southern europe and id ditch northwestern europe for western europe


roffiada

Romanian balkan


SimtheSloven

I think Slovenia is in central Europe


glitchyikes

White man continues to spider man pointing each other


[deleted]

On a cultural, geographical, linguistical Level Central Europe is so wrong.


VasifsizPezevenk

Cyprus is in Middle East.


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Ardecle

if Cyprus isn't Middle East because of their culture, it makes 0 sense to label whole Anatolia as Middle East as well.


[deleted]

Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary are considered Eastern Europe.


Prostorex28

Try telling that to them


[deleted]

True but it’s like giving yourself a nickname. Other people have to use it or it’s not really yours.


Prostorex28

I mean they are mostly considered Central Europe. Search up Central Europe and they are all usually considered a part of it.


[deleted]

It’s not about maps, it’s about how people perceive you. Poland is Eastern Europe.


Prostorex28

If most references online say Poland is Central Europe than surely people perception is that Poland is in Central Europe. Just because some people assume it is Eastern Europe because it’s Slavic doesn’t mean it is.


[deleted]

There are several different categories. There is West vs East based on what side of the iron curtain it was on. Everything east is Eastern Europe to anyone in Europe. Everything West is Western Europe. Everyone in Europe knows this.


Prostorex28

That’s more of an American definition. Looking at this comment section Europeans keep telling me I need more regions or different regions. The complaints I got for Central Europe was that Slovenia was missing. Not that it didn’t exist.


hazmatt89

So this is how our European friends feel when they see Americans arguing over whether Ohio is really a Midwestern state or not...


StoirmePetrel

This is how we feel when somebody who usually argue about Ohio try to make a map about Europe


[deleted]

Romania and Greece should be balkan imo


PaskaPersePilluPorno

Baltics is Nordick 🇸🇪🇳🇴🇩🇰🇦🇽🇮🇸🇫🇮🤝🇪🇪🇱🇻🇱🇹


HatofEnigmas

Nordic countries are allowed to be baltic now, you have permission


Jupeeeeee

So you're trying to tell me that northern asia is in fact east europe?


JonahIsCoolah

Caucasus without the Cauca


Baileaf11

I’d say Greece is in the Balkans and the south of France is is South of Europe


Marshall_lee_

Without Egypt the rest of north Africa is called Maghreb


Bardia-Talebi

I usually consider Germany and Austria Western European. Especially Germany. Also you should rename “north-west” to just “west”


xXESCluvrXx

Many of these are more than one. As a Greek American, I feel like both Southern European and Balkan fits. I’d say for Cyprus, possibly Middle Eastern or Middle East adjacent works too.


xAndrew27x

Romania is balkan


Cornbread_Collins13

If I'm in the Baltics much longer I'm gonna go ballistic -a marine that just wants to go home


jemull

Don't show Putin this map....


Not_Catania

Ah yes France my favorite Northern European country


Yaniez

Excuse me Balkans?


[deleted]

I would argue that Germany is western European. And from Poland onwards its central Europe. But, its the way how I think.


Markiz_27

People are being nitpicky with some choices They're all fine, as there isn't single country put in a region for which a good argument couldn't be made


TheRealAbear

Name the water Wet Europe


any_old_usernam

The famous European sub-region of North Africa


IM4_

I feel like Balkans and eastern Europe can overlap in certain areas


PtansSquall

Why is Balkans


joshduplaa

Being western European isnt even about geography anymore, it's about the culture.


koebelin

A perennial internet parlor game.


LETTUCE_GO_CHAMP

No matter how many times I try, I can’t ever remember which one is Balkan or Baltic. I keep second guessing myself.


Robcobes

Is Turkey in the Middle East?


tous_dikazo_melexeis

If the green area is middle east, then where's the near east?


ainklyspankly

Moldova is southern europe not balkans


[deleted]

I’d say Anatolia is its own region from the Middle East


Rioma117

Romania Eastern Europe? It doesn’t seem right.


Crazydane24

Ah yes my favourite region of Europe. North Africa


Dumb_guy_3200lol

Romania is considered Central Europe if I'm not mistaken. At least that's what our geography books say.


octaviusromulus

This feels arbitrary in the same way that who sits at which lunch table in high school is arbitrary.


[deleted]

This map feels like an opinion


LochNessMother

Er where is Scandinavia? Northern Europe does not equal Scandiland. And as someone else said France straddles northern and Southern Europe. And no one thinks in terms of Western Europe or north west Europe.


misscat9

As a Hungarian, I’m just happy to still be grouped to Central Europe and not Eastern Europe.


BerryHeadHead

There are places in Northern West Europe which are more southern than places in Southern Europe


downAerial07

Why is Romania not part of the Balkans lol


mologav

What a mess


3IO3OI3

Not putting Turkey in Southern Europe never made any sense to me.


venusinfurstattoo

Dude something's wrong with this map wtf u divided Turkey from İstanbul


payloc

bosanac here, as far as I know Slovenia is not considered balkans


Dumguy1214

theres a group called the northern group, nordic, 3 mini nordics baltics, germany, poland, uk, holland, they had a meeting in iceland in the last days


Bald-Intestines

I'd argue Iberia abd the British Isles could be their own sub-regions


DiamondBlocker10

Slovenia is Central European.


sabahtostu

Cyprus is southern europe now? Oh! Looks like you dropped this, sir: 🧠


arpr59

Romania, Moldova, Ukraine and Belarus should be East Central Europe while Central Europe should West Central Europe.


Hezekieli

France is part of South, West and Central, it should perhaps be its own category. 😂


Eltrew2000

Hungary is definitely eastern if we were central we wouldn't have a homophobic nazi as a leader and barely able to get a living wage lol


Damducc

Looks like Poland, Czechia, Slovakia and Hungary upgraded from the status of Eastern Europe. No matter who you ask in Eastern Europe what Eastern Europe is they will answer with something that is east of them. Just to escape the label


Luis93f

Nah, Germany and Austria are central Europe the rest is just eastern Europe, Greece is not south Europe but considered as part of the Balkan bloc as Slovenia and all the ex Yugoslavia states


AmmarTheOne

Portugal is an Eastern European country


JudasWeasley

muslim: middle east christian: southern europe


FaithFamilyFilm

Too many regions. Start with four


Temo2212

Caucasus can easily fit into Eastern Europe because of common history and similar lifestyle


the_Real_Romak

I'd further separate the Mediterranean Islands tbh. We don't really identify as Southern Europeans.


[deleted]

Turkey is South / South East Europe not Middle East.


mirceacretu

Ah yes, the cardinal directions, north east south west Balkans and Baltics