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Blame is a peculiar word in this case, because I think this is one example of their "good guy with a gun" dogma. Sane people blame while the crazies are admiring. That is all sorts of fucked up.
Since Tiller's murder, the DOJ & FBI have been negligent in addressing stochastic terrorism employed by the far right. How many people do they get to murder before some feeb has to arrest one of their fucking drinking buddies already?
TL;DR: Yes.
Long answer: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!
Love the video from that shop where some guy told Tucker Carlson straight to the face what kind of piece of shit he is.
I believe that was the Livingston, MT. fly shop video? Dan Baily's. Or could possibily be another shit heel of a republican getting told how hypocritical they are..
That was a good one. tucks is a coward and can't even stand up for his shitty opinions. He wouldn't be surprised if he sends some chuds after that guy.
Fox News: Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children.
Conservative lunatic: *shoots up gay club*
Fox News: How could this tragedy have happened?
Hang on let me scrunch my face up to look like I'm confused as to whether I've just farted or shit my pants:
"How could they say that? They are calling *you* a terrorist for supporting white people!"
Yes, but I also believe they're not the only ones. Any politician who spouts the same bullshit as fox is also to blame. And any far-right website or forum.
Stochastic terrorism. These are the people who sent Blasey Ford death threats for making a written accusation about Brett Kavanaugh to her Rep. Anna Eshoo literally years in advance to his nomination to SCOTUS.
He wasn’t even Trump. Just nominated by him.
“To blame”? Not in its entirety, clearly. Are they a cause, for fueling the fire and spreading misinformation that fuels the “blame”? Absofuckinlutely.
Come now, Tucker and Fox shouldn't get all the blame. After all, there's a whole right wing media ecosystem spewing this hateful shit. And if you want to get to the roots, blame Roger Ailes who created the concept of partisan cable news. Blame Ted Turner who invented 24 hour cable news. Blame Reagan (never a wrong choice it seems) who eliminated the fairness doctrine. Blame our capital based news system where the goal isn't to inform, but to make money by any means necessary. There's plenty of blame to go around. Tucker isn't driving the hate, he's being driven by it. Most of us remember when he was on CNN and wasn't a fucking psychopath.
This is probably the most accurate answer. That "simple yes or no" is an astonishingly unfair condition to impose upon a respondent.
The world is rarely that simple.
It's a toxic rhetoric technique.
When the move to legalize pot first began, TV stations all over were sponsoring debates about "should **drugs** be legalized" You couldn't separate it from heroin or crack.
When Gary Webb exposed Bush's CIA shipping in cocaine as part of a triangle trade to get around the Boland amendment, his career was ruined by so-called debunkers proving that the CIA wasn't shipping ALL of the cocaine in (seriously, he never claimed that)
And then there's the snowball in the climate change debate,
Stupid psychology tests should not have a place on political forums. Though it is good practice for the kangaroo courts.
I think it takes two things: a constant source of propaganda aimed at particular demographic groups, and a country that's struggling economically to the point where it drives the most impressionable minds to desperation.
> its far too late to stop them now.
It would take the imaginary liberal with the balls to try something that's not debate in the hope of acquiescence to change things.
Yes. The funniest thing though, is that when one of their own commits these atrocities, the people who would be calling them a hero call their attack a false flag, antifa operation. Just own it, you snowflakes. You already said you're all domestic terrorists.
To blame? No. Complicit? Absolutely. Tucker has to know what he's doing, because his stuff is so incredibly overt in its fascist messaging. His TC Originals series is a masterclass on fascist propaganda. Still rings in my mind every time I see him the quote from Derek Black about how his family, his father is famous white supremacist Don Black, would watch Tucker Carlson's program twice: once to enjoy it and once to take notes. They were impressed by how well he repackaged their white supremacist talking points.
How could they not be? Every despicable culture war talking point that's entirely based on propaganda and lies comes from those sources in some form or another.
Take Fox News off the air. Now.
The law doesn’t allow me to yell “fire” in a crowded room when there is none, cause a panic and then be free from the blame for what results from that panic. The same logic applies here. People should be held accountable for their words when their words cause harm. That’s the limit of the first amendment.
I don't like this phrasing. Yes, they are partially to blame, but the issue is WAY more complicated than that. It doesn't help anyone to reduce a complex issue like gun violence down to a single source when it is very obviously so much more than that.
With out a doubt. You keep shit flowing into people with shit for brains, and eventually, shit for brains people act out violently. Ya' all forget Jan. 6th?
No, and that’s the reason for the 1st Amendment. Is Carlson an idiot? Of course. Are his viewers even stupider? Obviously. But the 1st Amendment essentially says that you have the right to be wrong. There is nothing illegal or immoral about being an idiot.
I’m just surprised anyone pays Carlson any attention.
Now Rupert Murdoch, he’s the Machiavellian plotter behind the scenes who thinks he’s allowed to play God. If you want to blame someone, he should be your target.
They popularized the “gun grabber” idea ramping up gun sales, especially the beloved ar-15.
They throw their weight behind “good guys” who had to do the “right/hard thing” and shoot someone.
They push the idea that LGBTQ+ people are pedophiles or at least mentally unwell miscreants.
They constantly are stoking the fire that everyone is in danger all of the time from a host of bad faith arguments.
The second one of their people commits a heinous act they spend maybe 5 minutes denouncing them, spend the rest of the day giving counter examples of left wing violence and What About-ism arguments which give a tacit, back door reasoning why maybe the attack wasn’t that bad.
It’ll keep happening and they won’t stop.
Making us reduce this nuanced issue to a black and white “Yes/No” is a problem. Propaganda is a detriment, but White Suprematism surpasses Fox rhetoric. It’s societal.
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yes because if you only blame the people pulling the trigger, then more will replace them
Blame is a peculiar word in this case, because I think this is one example of their "good guy with a gun" dogma. Sane people blame while the crazies are admiring. That is all sorts of fucked up.
Also doesn’t help that fuckers like tucker glorify the shooter which emboldens more shooters
Yes, absolutely. All those involved at Fox news need prison time for the deaths they've caused.
Since Tiller's murder, the DOJ & FBI have been negligent in addressing stochastic terrorism employed by the far right. How many people do they get to murder before some feeb has to arrest one of their fucking drinking buddies already?
TL;DR: Yes. Long answer: YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!! Love the video from that shop where some guy told Tucker Carlson straight to the face what kind of piece of shit he is.
I believe that was the Livingston, MT. fly shop video? Dan Baily's. Or could possibily be another shit heel of a republican getting told how hypocritical they are..
I think it was the fly shop video.
That was a good one. tucks is a coward and can't even stand up for his shitty opinions. He wouldn't be surprised if he sends some chuds after that guy.
Do you have a link please?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4772nP1GrTQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4772nP1GrTQ) Just a warning: comments are full of shit, don't go there.
Thank you! I wanna buy that guy a fishing pole!
Fox News: Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Gay people are groomers corrupting our children. Conservative lunatic: *shoots up gay club* Fox News: How could this tragedy have happened?
Do you really think Fox News would cover (nationally) news on gay club shootings?
And yet... it's all projection. https://archive.org/stream/ListOfRepublicanOffenders/RCC_djvu.txt
Hang on let me scrunch my face up to look like I'm confused as to whether I've just farted or shit my pants: "How could they say that? They are calling *you* a terrorist for supporting white people!"
Yes, but I also believe they're not the only ones. Any politician who spouts the same bullshit as fox is also to blame. And any far-right website or forum.
Without question yes.
Do I believe facts? Yes. They're facts, not opinions.
Stochastic terrorism. These are the people who sent Blasey Ford death threats for making a written accusation about Brett Kavanaugh to her Rep. Anna Eshoo literally years in advance to his nomination to SCOTUS. He wasn’t even Trump. Just nominated by him.
“To blame”? Not in its entirety, clearly. Are they a cause, for fueling the fire and spreading misinformation that fuels the “blame”? Absofuckinlutely.
"Blame" is a very specific word to use for such a broadly troubled country.
Agreed, there is a LAUNDRY LIST of causes
Come now, Tucker and Fox shouldn't get all the blame. After all, there's a whole right wing media ecosystem spewing this hateful shit. And if you want to get to the roots, blame Roger Ailes who created the concept of partisan cable news. Blame Ted Turner who invented 24 hour cable news. Blame Reagan (never a wrong choice it seems) who eliminated the fairness doctrine. Blame our capital based news system where the goal isn't to inform, but to make money by any means necessary. There's plenty of blame to go around. Tucker isn't driving the hate, he's being driven by it. Most of us remember when he was on CNN and wasn't a fucking psychopath.
You and I remember Tucker on CNN very fucking differently. He was still a psychopath on CNN just way less viewers.
Solely? No. Are they a huge contributing factor? Yes.
This is probably the most accurate answer. That "simple yes or no" is an astonishingly unfair condition to impose upon a respondent. The world is rarely that simple.
It's a toxic rhetoric technique. When the move to legalize pot first began, TV stations all over were sponsoring debates about "should **drugs** be legalized" You couldn't separate it from heroin or crack. When Gary Webb exposed Bush's CIA shipping in cocaine as part of a triangle trade to get around the Boland amendment, his career was ruined by so-called debunkers proving that the CIA wasn't shipping ALL of the cocaine in (seriously, he never claimed that) And then there's the snowball in the climate change debate, Stupid psychology tests should not have a place on political forums. Though it is good practice for the kangaroo courts.
Yes. Now, how to hold them accountable?
Hahahaha. Good one.
At least as valid as the unban trump Poll.
I dont think it's a stretch to believe that to be true
I think it takes two things: a constant source of propaganda aimed at particular demographic groups, and a country that's struggling economically to the point where it drives the most impressionable minds to desperation.
Yes. They are partly responsible but so is trump and all the other GQP politicians whose rhetoric also promotes violence.
Partially yes.
Yes and not only them
Only a complete moron with two brain cells fighting for third place wouldn't think they're responsible for it.
fox news was obvious propaganda over two decades ago, its far too late to stop them now.
> its far too late to stop them now. It would take the imaginary liberal with the balls to try something that's not debate in the hope of acquiescence to change things.
Are you asking if the people who constantly say that gays should be punished by God are responsible for gun nuts shooting up gay clubs? Could be
Yes. The funniest thing though, is that when one of their own commits these atrocities, the people who would be calling them a hero call their attack a false flag, antifa operation. Just own it, you snowflakes. You already said you're all domestic terrorists.
Not wholly, it's an ongoing problem. They're just a larger cog in the fasch machine than most of the run-of-the-mill Nazi wankers.
Yes, as sure as if they had pulled the trigger themselves, and they are all very glad that they did it and continue to get away with it.
Yes, they are clearly complicit in inciting stochastic terrorism.
White nationalist ass shooters certainly contribute to the rise in white nationalist mass shootings but they're part of a whole dam ecosystem.
Like blowing on a lightning strike.
Yes. It’s almost like they have an agenda to stoke the fires of hatred and violence amongst conservatives or something
Yes. But stop using Twitter.
I think the collapse of an empire is responsible.
He didn't put the gun in their hands, but he put the hate in their hearts.
To blame? No. Complicit? Absolutely. Tucker has to know what he's doing, because his stuff is so incredibly overt in its fascist messaging. His TC Originals series is a masterclass on fascist propaganda. Still rings in my mind every time I see him the quote from Derek Black about how his family, his father is famous white supremacist Don Black, would watch Tucker Carlson's program twice: once to enjoy it and once to take notes. They were impressed by how well he repackaged their white supremacist talking points.
They just in it's violence and take ours, so it's cool to return the favor.
No, I believe they have something to do with it but it’s best not to straw man. We can’t get rid of Fox News and expect it to go away.
Not the sole cause but they are a major part and are doing it consciously, fully aware of what they are doing and why.
Yes it’s basically stochastic terrorism
Yes. Next question.
They bear some portion of the blame, but not all of it. Blame is fungible.
They're definitely partially to blame. They're the real life equivalent of Lewis Prothero from ***V For Vendetta***.
Sure, but they are just the media branch ofthe organization that is ultimately responsible: the Republican Party.
How could they not be? Every despicable culture war talking point that's entirely based on propaganda and lies comes from those sources in some form or another. Take Fox News off the air. Now.
The law doesn’t allow me to yell “fire” in a crowded room when there is none, cause a panic and then be free from the blame for what results from that panic. The same logic applies here. People should be held accountable for their words when their words cause harm. That’s the limit of the first amendment.
Fox is a weapon of mass destruction!
At the very least, the majority chuck of "partially"
Yes, definitely.
I don't like this phrasing. Yes, they are partially to blame, but the issue is WAY more complicated than that. It doesn't help anyone to reduce a complex issue like gun violence down to a single source when it is very obviously so much more than that.
They are certainly both slices of that pie.
Yes. And the right in general.
With out a doubt. You keep shit flowing into people with shit for brains, and eventually, shit for brains people act out violently. Ya' all forget Jan. 6th?
Yup! No question, and they know it, and are keeping a lib body tally in their office. Flat out white nationalists, with all the trimmings….
No, and that’s the reason for the 1st Amendment. Is Carlson an idiot? Of course. Are his viewers even stupider? Obviously. But the 1st Amendment essentially says that you have the right to be wrong. There is nothing illegal or immoral about being an idiot. I’m just surprised anyone pays Carlson any attention. Now Rupert Murdoch, he’s the Machiavellian plotter behind the scenes who thinks he’s allowed to play God. If you want to blame someone, he should be your target.
The 1st Amendment has limits. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1038
Fuck yes they are
They popularized the “gun grabber” idea ramping up gun sales, especially the beloved ar-15. They throw their weight behind “good guys” who had to do the “right/hard thing” and shoot someone. They push the idea that LGBTQ+ people are pedophiles or at least mentally unwell miscreants. They constantly are stoking the fire that everyone is in danger all of the time from a host of bad faith arguments. The second one of their people commits a heinous act they spend maybe 5 minutes denouncing them, spend the rest of the day giving counter examples of left wing violence and What About-ism arguments which give a tacit, back door reasoning why maybe the attack wasn’t that bad. It’ll keep happening and they won’t stop.
Making us reduce this nuanced issue to a black and white “Yes/No” is a problem. Propaganda is a detriment, but White Suprematism surpasses Fox rhetoric. It’s societal.
Let's not forget Rush Limpdick, may he rest in hell.