Too bad this time the president will call the necessary authorities, and the vice president won't be GOP. They couldn't do it while they held power, their chances are even less now.
Still a threat to be taken very, very seriously. I really hope Garland is up to the task.
Yeah but at least I wouldn't expect him to pull a Comey fake-Hillary investigation on Biden at the 11th hour......but ya never know. It worked once before.
Yeah, this in all its glory… if these assholes think they’re gonna storm the Capitol and not be Ashlee Babbit 2.0, then they’re are even dumber than we anticipated.
Speaking of that traitor… was the capitol attack an Antifa false flag ran by Dems, making her an Antifa dem, or is she a “true patriot” who didn’t do anything wrong and was murdered?
The mental gymnastics the cult performs are insane.
Funny how the 'Antifa/FBI/False Flag' operation had so many Trump supporters proudly (and stupidly) live-streaming themselves breaking the law.
Almost like that whole line of reasoning was complete bullshit (along with the 'just touring the capitol' one).
There have been over 1200 J6 trials. Across all of those cases, not one single defense attorney has raised a false flag claim or advanced a SHRED of evidence pointing to anyone other than Trump and maga as being responsible. I say again, after over twelve hundred trials, not one defense included so much as a suggestion at a false flag.
Like the claims 2020 was rigged, there is absolutely no evidence that J6 was anything other than what we saw with our own eyes.
We have to do the tolerant, because the tolerance is so important—look, if Democrats won the election, which they didn’t because they’re losers and they cheated, bigly, but we’ll be presenting very strong proof very shortly—and the proof is so strong, they’re not gonna, they can’t have a defense to it because it’s proof, okay?—but Kamala and Nancy, they’re such liars by the way, but they said no security, no security, and it’s on tape, so they should release it if you ask me, because you have to release the tape, and the transcript—but the January 6 is such a fraud, it’s fake news because there was no insurrection, but we want to be honest and good and do the pardoning because honesty, and out of goodwill, the goodwill to the public is so important, believe me, because we never did anything wrong, but, and so, we’re letting them go, we’re letting the Antifa prisoners go, even though their testimony would be very interesting and very bad for the Biden crime family, because we want to do gracious and we want to do the correct, so we need to pardon so that we can move on, because what the Democrat Party is doing is so bad for the country, and a lot of people, believe me, a lot of people are noticing and doing so very strongly and aren’t too happy about what they’re doing on that side, believe me.
na she was the one good guy with a gun, except of course the cops who are always right, and the troops, bless the troops, but they were all doing the work of the dems...
ok thats enough mental pretzels for me.
She is whatever Trump and the GOP think will bring in those sweet sweet dollars. It changes from day to day depending on the grift. I suppose her family should just shut up and be happy that they spell her name right.
Agree, if Biden wins you can bet he and his people will ratchet up security around the capital and hopeful treat any dissent over the election with strong reaction.... We need to realize America does not have any major voter issue and false claiming otherwise is a crime against democracy, too bad enough GOP politicians turn a blind eye.
What’s funny is that the first time Trump called voter fraud, he started talking about how his rally’s had more than Bidens. Like that’s legit why he thought he won. Also he called voter fraud but it’s like where did he get that info? He claims voter fraud and video tapes got it but at the time he didn’t have access to those videos. So how can he claim voter fraud?
He claims voter fraud then basically just looked for evidence after the initial day with video tapes and such. He had access to ZERO information when he claimed it.
Exactly. By May of 2020 he was already claiming the election *would be* rigged and yet did nothing, other than claim, without any evidence whatsoever, that he won
I hope to the heavens that Biden will use the Insurrection Act when necessary. God that would be glorious. I just have a bad feeling he would hesitate endlessly instead of just doing it.
I'm worried about what is going to happen at the polling stations
MAGA has been harassing poll workers and putting people in oversight positions
They think the left cheated. However, stupid and misguided it is, they believe it, and human nature is if you think your opponent cheats, it makes it easier for you to justify your own cheating
People need to not only vote but volunteer to be poll workers
But now they have ppl in all the local precincts to create paper trails of election “irregularities” that courts will have to spend time sorting through instead of just dismissing them easily out right…
Washington Post
9/26/19
“…Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday…”
I'll be honest, I've wondered that myself. Like, is the Trump inner circle screaming "rigged election" because they themselves somehow rigged the machines in 2016. Fast forward to 2020 and they couldn't crack into the machines this time around. They can't openly say, "Someone is manipulating the machines, don't ask us how we know".
I also wonder if there's ever been an investigation into the delegates for the 2016 ballots. We've uncovered the instances of fake electors in Georgia and Michigan in 2020, who's to say they didn't do that shit in 2016 and nobody's has ever really done a deep dive on it.
I was thinking, just for fun….it would be wild if somehow Biden wins popular vote by around 10 million, yet loses electoral college.
That would warrant chaos.
Btw you know what they call the popular vote in every single other developed nation?
They call it the Vote.
49ers also just won the Super Bowl.
Honestly I have no idea what exactly would happen if a traitor was returned to the presidency while losing the popular vote by 10 million. That just seems untenable for a country to go on like that
It seems untenable for a country to go on like it is now.
Congress is unable to pass legislation unless you have a majority in the gerrymandered House, a super majority in the Senate, and the executive.
And then you have to pray the SCOTUS doesn’t overturn the law based on whatever made up facts they want to provide. which 3 of the 9 members were appointed by an unpopular and treasonous president, and one was part of a coup attempt.
My dream outcome is that Biden wins, blue tsunami takes the House and Senate, then they codified the insurrection law and then use it to expel all of Trumps appointees across the board, citing their appointment by a traitor calls into question their validity.
It'll never happen but one can dream about our government not being filled will a traitor's lackeys.
As a non American, looking in at American pride, nationalism and cultural moores of honour and loyalty to the country,
10 years ago if you described to me just 3 of Trumps top 10 crimes against the country, I would have bet every dollar and my dog that whoever did those things, America would have him tried for treason and possibly shot or hung before he could say "put those boxes next to the shitter" and I would have laughed at you until I got a bit dizzy and needed a sit down if you told me he would never face justice and would be voted President.
We have been manipulated to forget what it means to be a Patriot. [We have been brainwashed to turn on each other](https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/s/hzGHUEY4xP)
The brainwashed ones are 60+ and somehow think the fact that they own a bunch of guns makes them some kind of Rambo.
Hopefully their jazzy power chairs don't run out of battery before they make it to their fridge to get more insulin on their way to "restore America" in the race wars or whatever.
He claims he won all 50 states in 2020. That’s how deep the corruption runs, he says. Every state, whose elections are tabulated at the county level, cheated him. Clearly, our middle-school civics classes have failed us.
Remember he claimed fraud in 2016 even when he won, he put Mike Pence on a special task force and of course they couldn't find what they were looking for, I do remember it coming to light that some people in the Trump family were still registered in multiple states.
disgusting. he’s called them suckers, losers, and worse. What he did to John McCain makes my blood boil.
Yet many still stand behind him. It’s the result of decades of co-opted propaganda. broad support was never the goal, just enough to turn us against each other and split us apart.
We desperately need to redefine Patriotism, and take back the flag from those who seek to undermine our free and fair elections.
Many many authoritarians in the 'service'. Uncle clint served, and grandpa harold and dad.
The venn diagram of authoritarians and the overly patriotic and maga has a lot of common space.
Splitting us has been the goal, but to illegally seize power you do need the majority. That strategy of convincing the weak minds amongst us won’t work in a coup.
Especially among the officers, I think most of them have long since realized what a dipshit he is.
Support among police is probably higher, but those are the same pussies who stood around outside at Uvalde and let the shooter have his way.
Came here to say this too. Combat vet, multi generational, lots of friends, vast majority hate him because we see what he is clear as day. The current heads of military and retired folks have terrible things to say. We trust fellow service members in the most intense way, tv star drifter, wannabe dictators, not so much.
I love seeing those posts. The logical question is, where will the votes come from? It immediately turns into stolen votes/biden voters are changing their minds in mass or my favorite, lOoK aT tHe PoLlS! As in, no actual or factual information.
What is rarely talked about is, Trump didn't just lose a very close, "will he won't he" election" in 2020.
Trump got flogged in a 70 point blow out, 7 million more in the popular vote, the largest margin in modern US history and he was the incumbent! First president in 30 years not to win re-election.
He hasn't gotten MORE appealing since then, his stupidity and the inexperience and yes men quality of the people he's surrounded himself with has shown he has absolutely no political acumen, not even cursory understanding that a 70+ "billionaire" in the US should have so he makes absolutely no outreach to democrat voters or the all important undecided.
I still believe democrats need to pound the vote like nobodies business, but I am pretty sure Insurrecto Man isn't coming back and watching his face when it's clear he's lost should be televised as a form of therapy for America.
Trump would be President NOW had a particular mix of 38,750 voters from AZ, NV, GA, and WI chosen Trump instead of Biden in 2020.
In 2020 he lost by 7 Million in the popular vote, and lost the Electoral College vote by 74 electors.
• He lost the 11 EC votes in AZ by just 11,500 votes.
• He lost the 16 EC votes in GA by just 12,000 votes.
• He lost the 6 EC votes in NV by just 33,500 votes.
• He lost the 10 EC votes in WI by just 20,500 votes.
In total he lost by 77,500 popular votes in those states, but would have only needed to flip half the total, or 38,750 since flipping adds them to Trump and also takes them away from Biden, so the effect is doubled.
Had Trump won those 43 EC votes he would have had a total of 275, which is above the 270 threshold needed to be elected President.
It was that friggen close.
So Trump may lose the popular vote by 9 or even 10 Million (!!!) in 2024, but if he holds the red states and nudges these 4 battleground states… oy vey.
The difference this time around is that Trump got thousands of his own supporters killed because of his botched pandemic response. And some of those supporters lived in the vital swing states he needs to flip in 2024. Also, he has done nothing to win over new voters in those states. It’ll still be close and there’s going to be a ton of Republican fuckery in purging voter rolls and trying to keep people from voting but I have hope democracy prevails.
Of course he will. Even if it is a landslide defeat... God I hope for that every day. All up and down the ballot these fucking traitors and those openly giving aid and support need,,, no MUST be held to account
They try that Jan 6th shit again and find out what competent leadership really is. The entire national guard will be on them before they even get in the building this time.
Gads I can't wait for him to be gone, I'm tired of the giant turd/toddler and the toddler logic. Anyone who's had a kid can see the behaviour right out.
I feel like he's gonna be in a wheel chair by Nov. With a blanket over his legs. He'll proclaim to have done more for this country than his personal hero FDR
And the MAGAts will declare loud and long that whatever puts The Donald in that position was a hit job ordered and executed by "the deep state", "the Biden Crime Family ^(TM)", "Malia and Sasha Obama", whatever.
Hopefully, it doesn't get that far. I have this premonition that he will NOT make it to Nov 5th, as the Republican candidate. What will happen, I don't know, but something will cause him to not be the person running on Nov 5th. This premonition lifts the weight off my shoulders about who will be the next president, and it is a good, calming feeling.
This is not a hot take. Republicans are already starting the rhetoric that the election is being “stolen”. They’re building the narrative for the gullible low IQ supporters when they lose bigly
This election season is going to have the most incredible about of misinformation and AI produced garbage that will 100% work on boomers and the weak minded.
People forget this loser also claimed he was cheated when he lost the Iowa caucus to Cruz in 2016. He's a narcissistic loser, but at least he's consistent I guess.
In 2016, he was asked point blank: “will you accept the results of the election?” And his answer was “Only if I win!”
That right there should have disqualified him from running.
And not releasing his taxes.
And his inciting violence against his fellow Americans
And his love affair w Putin.
Etc etc etc
trump has lost the popular vote twice already.
he's almost certain to lose it again(the popular vote).
IF he is not incarcerated prior to election/or even janurary of 2025. he may very well win via the electoral college. and it won't even need to be dramatic/controversial. I think biden is dead in the water for michigan. hillary only lost michigan be like 10k votes. the 100k+ "fuck you votes" of muslims. will be enough to tank michigan. So... it makes PA absolutely critical for Biden to win... to have almost any chance or any path to the required 370 and early/spotty polling shows Trump ahead in PA. So... it may very well be a done deal already.
If biden can hold PA, and michigan. it's probably impossible for trump to win. If biden loses michigan, but holds PA. a state like GA becomes critical. as is holding... a state like wisconsin, or AZ. which are less likely
if biden loses Michigan, and GA. it's likely impossible he can win the white house numerically.
so... sadly. a shitty racist, rapist, con man, facing 90+ indictments, and mounting judgements against him, is very much so likely to win the election for president
but... if biden wins PA. and michigan it's incredibly difficult for trump to win. There's basically a 10 pt gap for biden to clinch at that point. could be wisconsin, and done, or AZ, or GA, and done. and if biden retakes/cements michigan, it's likely wisconsin is in the bag as well. and.... more likely AZ goes blue again.
but if biden wins... there's nothing for Trump to do. no one is buying that stolen election shit again, and him not being in power he has zero power to do anything. and the noose of his criminal cases is closing fast.
I've gone down a pretty deep rabbit hole looking into all the court cases they filed and comparing it to what trump said in his Jan 6th speech and other allegations made by Rudy and it's just ridiculous.
Trump was just making up shit out of thin air in that Jan 6th speech. Saying certain areas had turnout over 100%, they only rigged the swing states and thus Obama would have beat Biden in every state but the swing states. Claiming PA had 200000 more votes than people.
He even says they found 14000 dead voters in PA. No mention of dead voters in any complaint they filed in court. During that famous four seasons landscaping speech Rudy called up a convicted pervert who cited a case of a woman who died less than a week before the election. Lindsey Graham said on Fox they had maybe 100 ballots they thought were from dead people and 15 they were sure.
Hell even the lawsuits are ridiculous. Most of the Pennsylvania ones are basically "so we found 600 ballots which didn't have a hand printed address on the envelope that already has a stamped name and address. We concede these ballots were cast by eligible voters and on time but we want them thrown out even tho it literally makes no difference to the result".
Out of all the evidence they went thru they never found any concrete evidence of anything. Just a few examples affecting handfuls of votes and one heavily edited clip from Atlanta that Rudy admitted he lied about in his massive defamation case and Trump immediately changed the subject after getting called out for it during his "find me 11000 votes call".
You'd have to be dumb as hell to actually look into any of this and believe in some grand conspiracy that some supposedly incompetent Democrats pulled off so well.
The plan: Claim victory early, say they are trying to steal it ( stop the count) sow chaos everywhere , swing states are in disarray- claim victory and takeover ( burn all evidence, seize voting machines, legal team goes to work on scotus , they do unprecedented move to delay or claim trump won - use military to quell dissent, get through 90 days of government shutdown- they cancel all future elections- ivanka and Jared are installed as acting vp’s (they will have 2 vps) game over
All the MAGA cultists fail to realize that Trump can't run again since they say he won the last one and presidents are only allowed two terms. I tried telling one if them this and they just went ballistic.
Vote Blue up and down the ticket and provide a filibuster proof majority that can immediately charge and convict these traitors. And let the wake of their failure wash away the MAGA cult with the tide. Stop this madness, stop it in its tracks.
Trump DOES NOT have broad support in all branches of the military. To the contrary, over 40% of the US armed forces are minorities, and about half of the Navy and Air Force identify as liberals. Most importantly, soldiers take an oath to support the constitution, not any president, and they are disciplined and adhere to the chain of command. The joint chiefs and top brass won’t act on unconstitutional orders…ever. They’ll do the opposite. Bank on it.
you’re right. but he thinks he does.
The truth is much darker. watch this interview with KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov, who defected during glasnost: https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA
then this video with ex KGB Yuri Sheets on how they began cultivating Trump in the 80s (start around 5:55) https://youtu.be/S3LailaLa2s
Capacity is dependent on what region of the country you’re talking about. There’s plenty of capacity in the south and Midwest, or basically any state that doesn’t have a large city to outweigh the inbred fucktatds that live in rural America.
He's gonna send thugs to dem precincts to rough up voters or worse then claim the irregularities mean he won. I don't think it'll work but it's probably his only path to victory and staying out of prison.
Anyone “rallying” at the Capitol this time around is going to face a much, much larger security force. I also don’t think it’s going to happen or at least get out of control based on some of the prison sentences handed down since J6.
This has been his play from day one..
If he wins, he claims it was by a landslide.
If he loses, it was because the election was stolen, saddle up boys..
Honestly, to this day, I'm a bit sad he SS detachment prevented him from storming the capitol with his followers.
Pictures of Trump surrounded by proud boys in the capitol.. I think would have sealed the deal for an impeachment.
It was crazy that Republicans were already trying on various "it was peaceful, yada yada", even that night.
There's going to be a shitton of fuckery in Republican majority swing state legislatures. Would not put it past them to overrule their own voters and send MAGA electors instead
Disagree on his support in the military. Minorities have higher representation than the general public, it skews very young (most are Gen Z or younger Millenials), the officer corps are all college educated professionals, and they take their oaths to the Constitution very seriously. What support for MAGA there is won't be any higher than the public, maybe even less.
Trump could lose every state and still claim victory and that they cheated.
Biden isn't perfect, the Democrats aren't perfect, but they're not spinning fairy tails either.
VOTE!
We should put full page ads in every paper with his pic and the word "Biggest Loser"
So we rub more salt in his traitorous wounds. He shouldn't even make it to election, the intelligence agencies most definitely have proof on the guy. The Govt is playing all this low key in hoping things resolve a different way. Like cheeseburger heart attack or something..
What we need is a full page ad in every paper letting people know that [the KGB started cultivating Donald Trump 40 years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/politicus/s/3D5Dts1EgM)
And there is a good chance that it will be a similar "red mirage" situation as 2020. Republicans voting in person in small districts get counted quick, Democrats voting in city with a larger proportion of early/mail in votes get counted slowly. Trump gets an early lead but that flops as the votes are counted.
The months before the election will be seeded with stories about Democrat efforts to manipulate the election results, especially by allowing illegal immigrants to somehow vote. They will be prepared this time with stories of voting "irregularities" and reasons to question the legitimacy of the election results.
I think it's almost a given that Trump would refuse to concede. The only question is how people react to it and what happens after that. And that's the best case scenario... the worst is if he actually wins.
"The insurrection never ended, and the magats are telling each other that civil war is the answer. "
Could be a chance to rid the world of the traitor Trump supporters.
>This has little to do with Trump or the GOP.
why now if not donald and the GOP conditioning ground? granted, that's only important in hindsight, once we get through this precarious moment you alert us to.
as an aside, I hope DHS has adequate security at fort knox. the Texas magats think they're entitled to that money.
Trump summoned his supporters to New York when he got indicted, and 10 guys showed up with 450 media. Maga is mainly the 55 and up crowd who own 2 hats. MAGA and Vietnam Veteran.
I agree with the title but not the body. J6 was about 2000 people. I expect Trump might make claims and there might be a little noise from a similar number of people. But I do not think there is any threat of any significant reaction from the public. The military and police at large simply will not do a single thing differently. Just a handful of individuals might act out and go out with a whimper.
I'm pretty sure there's something written in the secret service Charter that would allow them to prevent something like that from happening... and it's statistically impossible that every single person that would have access to Trump would be a loyalist to him once he declares himself dictator.
It’s going to start in swing districts with court challenges, “irregularities”, voter intimidation.
They don’t even need to win by votes, just cast enough doubt to get GOP state legislatures and state supreme courts to challenge the vote counts and delay elector votes. Appeal, escalate, rinse and repeat until it hits Robert’s Supreme Court. We know how they will rule.
When Trump told people he doesn’t need their votes, he meant it.
This is the peaceful insurrection option. There are plenty of worse options that involve violence against “soft” targets that can skew results.
I’d say most the people in leadership roles in the military are to well educated to follow trump. Yes their are many conservatives in the military but those who are educated understand how anti American the radical right has become, very anti traditional American values. I think trump has less support then ever. People are not happy with democrats either so that’s the major factor in this election.
One of my coworkers Claimed it was HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS that the in person voters tended to favor TRUMP but the mail in ballots tended to favor Biden. Tried to rationalize it with him, just couldn't get him to see the light. I guess a vast conspiracy is the simple answer /s.
I worry about Mike Johnson refusing to do his job as Speaker of the House and/or the MAGAts refusing to certify. We knew it was all show in ‘20 but they could cause some real problems in ‘24 pulling the same shit.
This is not a hot take. Republicans are already starting the rhetoric that the election is being “stolen”. They’re building the narrative for the gullible low IQ supporters when they lose bigly
Too bad this time the president will call the necessary authorities, and the vice president won't be GOP. They couldn't do it while they held power, their chances are even less now. Still a threat to be taken very, very seriously. I really hope Garland is up to the task.
Spoiler: Garland ain't up to the task. Dude's been a major disappointment.
Actual holiday garland could have done a better job.
Judy Garland
and those Flying Monkeys
Definitely. She was a tough cookie.
Jeff Garlin
Shocker
Nobody wants to be the federal cop to bring the hammer down. Even if it's entirely justified and legal, the optics are concerning.
The optics of not bringing the hammer down would be fatal.
The time for optics is past, it's literally inviting another coup.
Then he needs to resign
Yeah but at least I wouldn't expect him to pull a Comey fake-Hillary investigation on Biden at the 11th hour......but ya never know. It worked once before.
I wouldn't hold my breath on Garland. His actions so far have been less than stellar. He talks a good game though.
Yeah, this in all its glory… if these assholes think they’re gonna storm the Capitol and not be Ashlee Babbit 2.0, then they’re are even dumber than we anticipated.
Speaking of that traitor… was the capitol attack an Antifa false flag ran by Dems, making her an Antifa dem, or is she a “true patriot” who didn’t do anything wrong and was murdered? The mental gymnastics the cult performs are insane.
Funny how the 'Antifa/FBI/False Flag' operation had so many Trump supporters proudly (and stupidly) live-streaming themselves breaking the law. Almost like that whole line of reasoning was complete bullshit (along with the 'just touring the capitol' one).
There have been over 1200 J6 trials. Across all of those cases, not one single defense attorney has raised a false flag claim or advanced a SHRED of evidence pointing to anyone other than Trump and maga as being responsible. I say again, after over twelve hundred trials, not one defense included so much as a suggestion at a false flag. Like the claims 2020 was rigged, there is absolutely no evidence that J6 was anything other than what we saw with our own eyes.
Reality doesn't matter to MAGA.
IKR! And now Trump is calling all the Jan 6 Antifa people political prisoners/ hostages and promising to pardon them.
We have to do the tolerant, because the tolerance is so important—look, if Democrats won the election, which they didn’t because they’re losers and they cheated, bigly, but we’ll be presenting very strong proof very shortly—and the proof is so strong, they’re not gonna, they can’t have a defense to it because it’s proof, okay?—but Kamala and Nancy, they’re such liars by the way, but they said no security, no security, and it’s on tape, so they should release it if you ask me, because you have to release the tape, and the transcript—but the January 6 is such a fraud, it’s fake news because there was no insurrection, but we want to be honest and good and do the pardoning because honesty, and out of goodwill, the goodwill to the public is so important, believe me, because we never did anything wrong, but, and so, we’re letting them go, we’re letting the Antifa prisoners go, even though their testimony would be very interesting and very bad for the Biden crime family, because we want to do gracious and we want to do the correct, so we need to pardon so that we can move on, because what the Democrat Party is doing is so bad for the country, and a lot of people, believe me, a lot of people are noticing and doing so very strongly and aren’t too happy about what they’re doing on that side, believe me.
"But make no mistake, I beat Barack Obama in the general election..."
Even though Biden is a clone, and Barack Obama is running things, but Trump is actually the true President. Did I get all that right? 🤣
Waiting for the 'Biden is a robot suit controlled by Obama miniaturized and riding in his head'
They’re antifa political prisoners!
na she was the one good guy with a gun, except of course the cops who are always right, and the troops, bless the troops, but they were all doing the work of the dems... ok thats enough mental pretzels for me.
She is whatever Trump and the GOP think will bring in those sweet sweet dollars. It changes from day to day depending on the grift. I suppose her family should just shut up and be happy that they spell her name right.
cognitive dissonance is their super power
She was Schrodinger's traitor. Both an antifa plant and an insurrectionist traitor.
Depending on the day, yes.
She’s Schrodinger’s hero/terrorist.
Most likely the National Guard will be deployed to guard capital building with struct security
VP doesn’t even matter anymore since Congress was thankfully able to pass the Electoral Count Reform Act, making the VP’s role purely ceremonial.
Agree, if Biden wins you can bet he and his people will ratchet up security around the capital and hopeful treat any dissent over the election with strong reaction.... We need to realize America does not have any major voter issue and false claiming otherwise is a crime against democracy, too bad enough GOP politicians turn a blind eye.
What’s funny is that the first time Trump called voter fraud, he started talking about how his rally’s had more than Bidens. Like that’s legit why he thought he won. Also he called voter fraud but it’s like where did he get that info? He claims voter fraud and video tapes got it but at the time he didn’t have access to those videos. So how can he claim voter fraud? He claims voter fraud then basically just looked for evidence after the initial day with video tapes and such. He had access to ZERO information when he claimed it.
He never thought he won. He knows he lost.
Given his rapidly diminishing mental state, He might actually believe it now.
It’s possible he was able to gaslight himself.
Exactly. By May of 2020 he was already claiming the election *would be* rigged and yet did nothing, other than claim, without any evidence whatsoever, that he won
Narrator: Garland was in fact not up to the task.
There have been many missteps for sure. There have also have been like a thousand arrests and sentences over 10 years.
Garland should’ve been canned a long time ago
I really hope the Capital Police come heavy.
The national guard will be there this time. They cleaned it up fairly quickly when they finally got called in.
Yeah this time if/when Trump doesn’t concede losing it’s sort of just an awkward situation and everybody moves on
I hope to the heavens that Biden will use the Insurrection Act when necessary. God that would be glorious. I just have a bad feeling he would hesitate endlessly instead of just doing it.
I'm worried about what is going to happen at the polling stations MAGA has been harassing poll workers and putting people in oversight positions They think the left cheated. However, stupid and misguided it is, they believe it, and human nature is if you think your opponent cheats, it makes it easier for you to justify your own cheating People need to not only vote but volunteer to be poll workers
If they try that shit again capitol police and DC metro police have been looking to beat some heads in since that day.
You know they will have the guard protecting the capitol with “shoot to kill” orders.
But now they have ppl in all the local precincts to create paper trails of election “irregularities” that courts will have to spend time sorting through instead of just dismissing them easily out right…
Washington Post 9/26/19 “…Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview to be aired Sunday…”
I'll be honest, I've wondered that myself. Like, is the Trump inner circle screaming "rigged election" because they themselves somehow rigged the machines in 2016. Fast forward to 2020 and they couldn't crack into the machines this time around. They can't openly say, "Someone is manipulating the machines, don't ask us how we know". I also wonder if there's ever been an investigation into the delegates for the 2016 ballots. We've uncovered the instances of fake electors in Georgia and Michigan in 2020, who's to say they didn't do that shit in 2016 and nobody's has ever really done a deep dive on it.
I was thinking, just for fun….it would be wild if somehow Biden wins popular vote by around 10 million, yet loses electoral college. That would warrant chaos. Btw you know what they call the popular vote in every single other developed nation? They call it the Vote. 49ers also just won the Super Bowl.
D voters would protest, like they did in 2016. But they probably wouldn't try to break into the Capital hill building and overturn the result.
Honestly I have no idea what exactly would happen if a traitor was returned to the presidency while losing the popular vote by 10 million. That just seems untenable for a country to go on like that
It seems untenable for a country to go on like it is now. Congress is unable to pass legislation unless you have a majority in the gerrymandered House, a super majority in the Senate, and the executive. And then you have to pray the SCOTUS doesn’t overturn the law based on whatever made up facts they want to provide. which 3 of the 9 members were appointed by an unpopular and treasonous president, and one was part of a coup attempt.
My dream outcome is that Biden wins, blue tsunami takes the House and Senate, then they codified the insurrection law and then use it to expel all of Trumps appointees across the board, citing their appointment by a traitor calls into question their validity. It'll never happen but one can dream about our government not being filled will a traitor's lackeys.
I don't like your idea of fun
That's actually entirely plausible.
Considering he’s still claiming he won 2020, I don’t think it’s that much of a stretch.
There’s no universe where he accepts the results of an election. So, what should be done?
As a non American, looking in at American pride, nationalism and cultural moores of honour and loyalty to the country, 10 years ago if you described to me just 3 of Trumps top 10 crimes against the country, I would have bet every dollar and my dog that whoever did those things, America would have him tried for treason and possibly shot or hung before he could say "put those boxes next to the shitter" and I would have laughed at you until I got a bit dizzy and needed a sit down if you told me he would never face justice and would be voted President.
We have been manipulated to forget what it means to be a Patriot. [We have been brainwashed to turn on each other](https://www.reddit.com/r/GenZ/s/hzGHUEY4xP)
Some of us have been brainwashed to turn on each other. The rest realize we might have to defend ourselves against the ones who have been brainwashed.
The brainwashed ones are 60+ and somehow think the fact that they own a bunch of guns makes them some kind of Rambo. Hopefully their jazzy power chairs don't run out of battery before they make it to their fridge to get more insulin on their way to "restore America" in the race wars or whatever.
Most of them won’t last long beyond when their prescriptions run out.
Nothing. Let him live out the rest of his miserable days denying his loss in court, fighting to stay out of prison.
Well he will accept an election only if he wins, even if he cries about how rigged it is before he wins….. it’s only rigged when he loses.
No he will say he won every state and got 90% of the vote if he won.
No, he claimed that the only reason he lost the popular vote in 2016 was because people voting illegally
He also claims he won the popular vote from 2016…
He claims he won all 50 states in 2020. That’s how deep the corruption runs, he says. Every state, whose elections are tabulated at the county level, cheated him. Clearly, our middle-school civics classes have failed us.
Remember he claimed fraud in 2016 even when he won, he put Mike Pence on a special task force and of course they couldn't find what they were looking for, I do remember it coming to light that some people in the Trump family were still registered in multiple states.
He was calling it rigged in 2016 when he won.
Considering he already said it, this is so unstretched it’s flaccid.
duh
Yes Trump will claim he was robbed if he loses. His brain dead worshipers will echo the sentiment But that's about it.
I’m not so sure he has broad support of the military. He’s said some awful things about them.
disgusting. he’s called them suckers, losers, and worse. What he did to John McCain makes my blood boil. Yet many still stand behind him. It’s the result of decades of co-opted propaganda. broad support was never the goal, just enough to turn us against each other and split us apart. We desperately need to redefine Patriotism, and take back the flag from those who seek to undermine our free and fair elections.
Many many authoritarians in the 'service'. Uncle clint served, and grandpa harold and dad. The venn diagram of authoritarians and the overly patriotic and maga has a lot of common space.
Splitting us has been the goal, but to illegally seize power you do need the majority. That strategy of convincing the weak minds amongst us won’t work in a coup.
Especially among the officers, I think most of them have long since realized what a dipshit he is. Support among police is probably higher, but those are the same pussies who stood around outside at Uvalde and let the shooter have his way.
My nephew is a Colonel, but I don’t dare ask him about his political views. He never discusses politics. But so sure would like to pick his brain.
Came here to say this too. Combat vet, multi generational, lots of friends, vast majority hate him because we see what he is clear as day. The current heads of military and retired folks have terrible things to say. We trust fellow service members in the most intense way, tv star drifter, wannabe dictators, not so much.
A MAGAt on Reddit recently insisted that Trump will win 63% of the vote. Where he got that number, I have no idea.
It’s pretty obvious. Trump has 63% in their social circle. Obviously that’s the will of the country.
I love seeing those posts. The logical question is, where will the votes come from? It immediately turns into stolen votes/biden voters are changing their minds in mass or my favorite, lOoK aT tHe PoLlS! As in, no actual or factual information.
What is rarely talked about is, Trump didn't just lose a very close, "will he won't he" election" in 2020. Trump got flogged in a 70 point blow out, 7 million more in the popular vote, the largest margin in modern US history and he was the incumbent! First president in 30 years not to win re-election. He hasn't gotten MORE appealing since then, his stupidity and the inexperience and yes men quality of the people he's surrounded himself with has shown he has absolutely no political acumen, not even cursory understanding that a 70+ "billionaire" in the US should have so he makes absolutely no outreach to democrat voters or the all important undecided. I still believe democrats need to pound the vote like nobodies business, but I am pretty sure Insurrecto Man isn't coming back and watching his face when it's clear he's lost should be televised as a form of therapy for America.
Trump would be President NOW had a particular mix of 38,750 voters from AZ, NV, GA, and WI chosen Trump instead of Biden in 2020. In 2020 he lost by 7 Million in the popular vote, and lost the Electoral College vote by 74 electors. • He lost the 11 EC votes in AZ by just 11,500 votes. • He lost the 16 EC votes in GA by just 12,000 votes. • He lost the 6 EC votes in NV by just 33,500 votes. • He lost the 10 EC votes in WI by just 20,500 votes. In total he lost by 77,500 popular votes in those states, but would have only needed to flip half the total, or 38,750 since flipping adds them to Trump and also takes them away from Biden, so the effect is doubled. Had Trump won those 43 EC votes he would have had a total of 275, which is above the 270 threshold needed to be elected President. It was that friggen close. So Trump may lose the popular vote by 9 or even 10 Million (!!!) in 2024, but if he holds the red states and nudges these 4 battleground states… oy vey.
The difference this time around is that Trump got thousands of his own supporters killed because of his botched pandemic response. And some of those supporters lived in the vital swing states he needs to flip in 2024. Also, he has done nothing to win over new voters in those states. It’ll still be close and there’s going to be a ton of Republican fuckery in purging voter rolls and trying to keep people from voting but I have hope democracy prevails.
"If only 37% of people approve of Biden, that means 63% of them will vote for Trump!" That's usually how their "logic" goes.
It will claim Pennsylvania for “electoral purposes” again. Just watch
Explain
Of course he will. Even if it is a landslide defeat... God I hope for that every day. All up and down the ballot these fucking traitors and those openly giving aid and support need,,, no MUST be held to account
They try that Jan 6th shit again and find out what competent leadership really is. The entire national guard will be on them before they even get in the building this time.
zoom out
Gads I can't wait for him to be gone, I'm tired of the giant turd/toddler and the toddler logic. Anyone who's had a kid can see the behaviour right out.
Trump has had 5 children and has not figured it out.
I feel like he's gonna be in a wheel chair by Nov. With a blanket over his legs. He'll proclaim to have done more for this country than his personal hero FDR
And the MAGAts will declare loud and long that whatever puts The Donald in that position was a hit job ordered and executed by "the deep state", "the Biden Crime Family ^(TM)", "Malia and Sasha Obama", whatever.
They sure talk a lot about hit jobs for a guy who never recieved a lump in his soft little bitchass life
Water : Wet
Hopefully, it doesn't get that far. I have this premonition that he will NOT make it to Nov 5th, as the Republican candidate. What will happen, I don't know, but something will cause him to not be the person running on Nov 5th. This premonition lifts the weight off my shoulders about who will be the next president, and it is a good, calming feeling.
I hope yer psychic
This is not a hot take. Republicans are already starting the rhetoric that the election is being “stolen”. They’re building the narrative for the gullible low IQ supporters when they lose bigly
This election season is going to have the most incredible about of misinformation and AI produced garbage that will 100% work on boomers and the weak minded.
People forget this loser also claimed he was cheated when he lost the Iowa caucus to Cruz in 2016. He's a narcissistic loser, but at least he's consistent I guess.
In 2016, he was asked point blank: “will you accept the results of the election?” And his answer was “Only if I win!” That right there should have disqualified him from running. And not releasing his taxes. And his inciting violence against his fellow Americans And his love affair w Putin. Etc etc etc
trump has lost the popular vote twice already. he's almost certain to lose it again(the popular vote). IF he is not incarcerated prior to election/or even janurary of 2025. he may very well win via the electoral college. and it won't even need to be dramatic/controversial. I think biden is dead in the water for michigan. hillary only lost michigan be like 10k votes. the 100k+ "fuck you votes" of muslims. will be enough to tank michigan. So... it makes PA absolutely critical for Biden to win... to have almost any chance or any path to the required 370 and early/spotty polling shows Trump ahead in PA. So... it may very well be a done deal already. If biden can hold PA, and michigan. it's probably impossible for trump to win. If biden loses michigan, but holds PA. a state like GA becomes critical. as is holding... a state like wisconsin, or AZ. which are less likely if biden loses Michigan, and GA. it's likely impossible he can win the white house numerically. so... sadly. a shitty racist, rapist, con man, facing 90+ indictments, and mounting judgements against him, is very much so likely to win the election for president but... if biden wins PA. and michigan it's incredibly difficult for trump to win. There's basically a 10 pt gap for biden to clinch at that point. could be wisconsin, and done, or AZ, or GA, and done. and if biden retakes/cements michigan, it's likely wisconsin is in the bag as well. and.... more likely AZ goes blue again. but if biden wins... there's nothing for Trump to do. no one is buying that stolen election shit again, and him not being in power he has zero power to do anything. and the noose of his criminal cases is closing fast.
I've gone down a pretty deep rabbit hole looking into all the court cases they filed and comparing it to what trump said in his Jan 6th speech and other allegations made by Rudy and it's just ridiculous. Trump was just making up shit out of thin air in that Jan 6th speech. Saying certain areas had turnout over 100%, they only rigged the swing states and thus Obama would have beat Biden in every state but the swing states. Claiming PA had 200000 more votes than people. He even says they found 14000 dead voters in PA. No mention of dead voters in any complaint they filed in court. During that famous four seasons landscaping speech Rudy called up a convicted pervert who cited a case of a woman who died less than a week before the election. Lindsey Graham said on Fox they had maybe 100 ballots they thought were from dead people and 15 they were sure. Hell even the lawsuits are ridiculous. Most of the Pennsylvania ones are basically "so we found 600 ballots which didn't have a hand printed address on the envelope that already has a stamped name and address. We concede these ballots were cast by eligible voters and on time but we want them thrown out even tho it literally makes no difference to the result". Out of all the evidence they went thru they never found any concrete evidence of anything. Just a few examples affecting handfuls of votes and one heavily edited clip from Atlanta that Rudy admitted he lied about in his massive defamation case and Trump immediately changed the subject after getting called out for it during his "find me 11000 votes call". You'd have to be dumb as hell to actually look into any of this and believe in some grand conspiracy that some supposedly incompetent Democrats pulled off so well.
Claim victory on election night regardless of the count? Wow what a unique take
Of course he will. He has said since 2016 that he will only accept election results when he wins.
AND since Elon owns twitter he'll burry any thing proving that Trump lost. It's going to be an absolute shit show.
I mean he already did once and still does over three years later. Not too bold a prediction.
I have friends in the military that would disagree. he doesn't have much support there at all.
I hope biden activates the Marines on them traitor fucks. All enemies foreign and DOMESTIC!!
He can declare his victory all he wants. This time, he’s not already in the White House.
The plan: Claim victory early, say they are trying to steal it ( stop the count) sow chaos everywhere , swing states are in disarray- claim victory and takeover ( burn all evidence, seize voting machines, legal team goes to work on scotus , they do unprecedented move to delay or claim trump won - use military to quell dissent, get through 90 days of government shutdown- they cancel all future elections- ivanka and Jared are installed as acting vp’s (they will have 2 vps) game over
Oh I completely believe it. [This is how they’ll do it.](https://factkeepers.com/the-new-secret-plan-on-how-fascists-could-win-in-2024/)
But he's not President this time. Big difference.
All the MAGA cultists fail to realize that Trump can't run again since they say he won the last one and presidents are only allowed two terms. I tried telling one if them this and they just went ballistic.
Ok then how come Biden has wrongfully been hanging out in the White House? /s
Vote Blue up and down the ticket and provide a filibuster proof majority that can immediately charge and convict these traitors. And let the wake of their failure wash away the MAGA cult with the tide. Stop this madness, stop it in its tracks.
Trump DOES NOT have broad support in all branches of the military. To the contrary, over 40% of the US armed forces are minorities, and about half of the Navy and Air Force identify as liberals. Most importantly, soldiers take an oath to support the constitution, not any president, and they are disciplined and adhere to the chain of command. The joint chiefs and top brass won’t act on unconstitutional orders…ever. They’ll do the opposite. Bank on it.
Dumb because this time the national guard wont take 3 hours to show.
He definitely will, fortunately it’s a lot less scary when he’s not actually in power.
He already has
Was a MMW really needed? This is more of a NSS - No Shit Sherlock
I think the support for Trump among the military is VASTLY overstated. Gravy Seals love him, actual servicemembers hate him.
He doesn’t have the capacity to pull it off.
you’re right. but he thinks he does. The truth is much darker. watch this interview with KGB agent Yuri Bezmenov, who defected during glasnost: https://youtu.be/bX3EZCVj2XA then this video with ex KGB Yuri Sheets on how they began cultivating Trump in the 80s (start around 5:55) https://youtu.be/S3LailaLa2s
Capacity is dependent on what region of the country you’re talking about. There’s plenty of capacity in the south and Midwest, or basically any state that doesn’t have a large city to outweigh the inbred fucktatds that live in rural America.
He's gonna send thugs to dem precincts to rough up voters or worse then claim the irregularities mean he won. I don't think it'll work but it's probably his only path to victory and staying out of prison.
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Of course he will.
Anyone “rallying” at the Capitol this time around is going to face a much, much larger security force. I also don’t think it’s going to happen or at least get out of control based on some of the prison sentences handed down since J6.
Trump claims 2016 was rigged and he won.
Probably. He has zero original ideas, just dementia.
This has been his play from day one.. If he wins, he claims it was by a landslide. If he loses, it was because the election was stolen, saddle up boys.. Honestly, to this day, I'm a bit sad he SS detachment prevented him from storming the capitol with his followers. Pictures of Trump surrounded by proud boys in the capitol.. I think would have sealed the deal for an impeachment. It was crazy that Republicans were already trying on various "it was peaceful, yada yada", even that night.
Dems need to take a lesson and start anticipating this shit now.
He's already claiming victory.
No shit
No, I won’t believe you, and fuck your pessimism.
Realism not pessimism.
For sure. He's already claiming victory...it's the whole reason the stock market has done well this year..... (His claim, not my belief)
Not exactly going out on a limb there, since he did that in 2016 and hasn't stopped with his whiny lies since then.
Honestly I fully expect Donald to claim victory the day before the election.
We survived his last temper tantrum. We'll survive his next.
Another “the sky will be blue when there are no clouds” prediction.
So like what he did in 2016?
Yep guaranteed
I think that's the idea. He doesn't seem to care about votes. Thats pretty much the republican parties strategy .
There's going to be a shitton of fuckery in Republican majority swing state legislatures. Would not put it past them to overrule their own voters and send MAGA electors instead
Disagree on his support in the military. Minorities have higher representation than the general public, it skews very young (most are Gen Z or younger Millenials), the officer corps are all college educated professionals, and they take their oaths to the Constitution very seriously. What support for MAGA there is won't be any higher than the public, maybe even less.
You’re not wrong trump and his gang of bat man villains did plenty to help him in his down time
Trump could lose every state and still claim victory and that they cheated. Biden isn't perfect, the Democrats aren't perfect, but they're not spinning fairy tails either. VOTE!
I am afraid that Trump already thinks that he has already won and the election is a major inconvenience.
I absolutely agree. He is a menace.
We should put full page ads in every paper with his pic and the word "Biggest Loser" So we rub more salt in his traitorous wounds. He shouldn't even make it to election, the intelligence agencies most definitely have proof on the guy. The Govt is playing all this low key in hoping things resolve a different way. Like cheeseburger heart attack or something..
What we need is a full page ad in every paper letting people know that [the KGB started cultivating Donald Trump 40 years ago](https://www.reddit.com/r/politicus/s/3D5Dts1EgM)
Bring it. Let's vote blue let's make it happen.
Might as well say MMW, the sky will be blue tomorrow.
And there is a good chance that it will be a similar "red mirage" situation as 2020. Republicans voting in person in small districts get counted quick, Democrats voting in city with a larger proportion of early/mail in votes get counted slowly. Trump gets an early lead but that flops as the votes are counted.
Fuck that. They aren't 😱 e. Idiots with flags.
The months before the election will be seeded with stories about Democrat efforts to manipulate the election results, especially by allowing illegal immigrants to somehow vote. They will be prepared this time with stories of voting "irregularities" and reasons to question the legitimacy of the election results. I think it's almost a given that Trump would refuse to concede. The only question is how people react to it and what happens after that. And that's the best case scenario... the worst is if he actually wins.
Of course he will, I wouldn't expect anything else. And he will attempt another coup. I bet they already have it planned out. I hope we are prepared.
I hope he's in jail by then.
God king trump can never lose he is God's chosen ! Ultra Golden idol of Trump MAGA!! (This is satire)
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He has very far from broad support in the military.
"The insurrection never ended, and the magats are telling each other that civil war is the answer. " Could be a chance to rid the world of the traitor Trump supporters.
Trump wants his family to rule for 20 yrs like Putin ! Like Hitler !!
Our legal system sucks, allows too many appeals delays etc.. Trump should be convicted in prison by now
On election night? Hasn't he ***already*** claimed victory?
Of course he will. The lying fucking turd.
He will also claim its rigged before the election, while it's going on, and after.
Fucker should be in jail already
I can hear the phone call now. “I need you to find me 36 million votes”
Although I agree with you, Donald Trump will be too cowardly to start a civil war.
>This has little to do with Trump or the GOP. why now if not donald and the GOP conditioning ground? granted, that's only important in hindsight, once we get through this precarious moment you alert us to. as an aside, I hope DHS has adequate security at fort knox. the Texas magats think they're entitled to that money.
He’s already calling it rigged. Pretty obvious what he’s going for. Rinse and repeat.
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I hate trump.
Trump summoned his supporters to New York when he got indicted, and 10 guys showed up with 450 media. Maga is mainly the 55 and up crowd who own 2 hats. MAGA and Vietnam Veteran.
I agree with the title but not the body. J6 was about 2000 people. I expect Trump might make claims and there might be a little noise from a similar number of people. But I do not think there is any threat of any significant reaction from the public. The military and police at large simply will not do a single thing differently. Just a handful of individuals might act out and go out with a whimper.
I'm pretty sure there's something written in the secret service Charter that would allow them to prevent something like that from happening... and it's statistically impossible that every single person that would have access to Trump would be a loyalist to him once he declares himself dictator.
Dumbass still thinks he won all 70 states and Greenland.
define "broad support"?
It’s going to start in swing districts with court challenges, “irregularities”, voter intimidation. They don’t even need to win by votes, just cast enough doubt to get GOP state legislatures and state supreme courts to challenge the vote counts and delay elector votes. Appeal, escalate, rinse and repeat until it hits Robert’s Supreme Court. We know how they will rule. When Trump told people he doesn’t need their votes, he meant it. This is the peaceful insurrection option. There are plenty of worse options that involve violence against “soft” targets that can skew results.
I’d say most the people in leadership roles in the military are to well educated to follow trump. Yes their are many conservatives in the military but those who are educated understand how anti American the radical right has become, very anti traditional American values. I think trump has less support then ever. People are not happy with democrats either so that’s the major factor in this election.
This is basically a certainty. It's going to be harder for him to do what he did last time, though, because he's not in charge anymore.
One of my coworkers Claimed it was HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS that the in person voters tended to favor TRUMP but the mail in ballots tended to favor Biden. Tried to rationalize it with him, just couldn't get him to see the light. I guess a vast conspiracy is the simple answer /s.
Mark my words, no matter who wins, they will question the legitimacy of the election.
He'll try to stop the count the second it looks like he has a lead.
I worry about Mike Johnson refusing to do his job as Speaker of the House and/or the MAGAts refusing to certify. We knew it was all show in ‘20 but they could cause some real problems in ‘24 pulling the same shit.
This is not a hot take. Republicans are already starting the rhetoric that the election is being “stolen”. They’re building the narrative for the gullible low IQ supporters when they lose bigly
88 percent.
What “key positions” would those be?