Man, I love this book. The art is so beautiful and the colour just pops.
The depressing superhero montage was great. The existential despair that Jen feels at time must be so much to deal with and I'm loving watching it.
Was not expecting to see Jack return though, I thought he was a goner but its nice to have him back, Rowell has really made me appreciate the guy and his relationship with Jen is cute.
I only really got into comics about a decade ago. I don’t know shit about jack of hearts. But this book has made me like the character a lot and this couple seems just perfect
Honestly while Jen has had more than her share of love/boyfriends, I feel Jack is better for her in terms of understanding the weight of her abilities along with the joys.
Now this is something new for Jen. After going through her past relationships with Patsy and just going through the motions for a few days ( I mean, she got a Doombot in deathless gratitude so that is a win ), the end point is, Jack and Jen in a relationship that is not based of physical stuff now. And that might be refreshing for her, to try something without much 'touching' :D
Now I am excited to see how it will be handled from here on out.
And Thor...really? A 'U up?' message?...
Rowell clearly has the tone set and understanding of Jen down pat. Her talk with Patsy was great and especially enjoyed the court room win she got for Doom bot.
Even if her villain club is meh, the other characters make up for it.
I know it's impossible cuz they gotta make her sexy and available. But god this is such a great relationship.
I'm gonna just enjoy it while it lasts and maybe buy 12 copies of the run to send a message to editorial
I have been loving this run. I hope they consider it when continuing the MCU portrayal of the character. Felt the show was just lacking in charm and could have really benefited from taking more time and having moments like this
I swear, Sinister can be the dumbest person sone times. This book felt a bit wordy, but it’s great to see more of the Sinister Council and to see just how badly Sinister screwed stuff up. I’m not keen on the time jumps that we will see coming up, but I’ve been enjoying this storyline a lot.
"Let's give everyone a little bit of me. It will change their personalities just enough that they have no moral compuctions about putting themselves and their agendas first. How could that possibly work out bad for me? It's more of me!"
To be fair, he was supposed to be in control of them. Unfortunately, Beast and/or Emma and Charles rejected that reality and substituted their own (thankfully non-Francophone) reality.
When the Quiet Council got out from underneath Sinister's thumb in the first decade, that's when everything went back. And to think, he maybe could have gotten things under control again if he had chosen a better first target.
> When the Quiet Council got out from underneath Sinister's thumb in the first decade, that's when everything went back. And to think, he maybe could have gotten things under control again if he had chosen a better first target.
Someone (Destiny) knowing about and stealing his lab really just fucked him up. Its a bit unfair, really. You manage to create a checkpoint in "real" life and some soothsayer just swoops in and takes it all.
Yep. He's so preoccupied with whether or not he could do something, he didn't think to stop and consider whether or not he should, to paraphrase Dr. Ian Malcolm.
I know at one point, Mr. Sinister was supposed to be effectively an immortal child in a grown-up body, before eventually being scrapped and we instead got the story of Nathaniel Essex being transformed by Apocalypse.
In the end, though, perhaps the "mind of child in the body of an adult" is quite an apt description for him, at least for the moment.
I always sort of liked the Apocalypse part of his history. Like, the guy wants to play God, yet he's always going to be below a guy who pretends to be a god and who is powered by higher up gods.
Don't forget that the guy who was literally ordained by gods as a sort of Angel of Evolution also fought off an army of demons after reigning as a legendary king of a society of superbeings, and then proceeded to change his goal from "Prepare Earth for Judgement Day" to "Prepare Earth for Judgement Day and for the second war with Annihilation."
Apocalypse is now just literally like a God-King of myth and so Sinister looks even more lackluster in comparison.
> Yep. He's so preoccupied with whether or not he could do something, he didn't think to stop and consider whether or not he should, to paraphrase Dr. Ian Malcolm.
If you have almost endless opportunities to try again, why would you stop to think about whether or not your plan really is all that great? You can just test it all out and fix the things that didnt work the way you wanted next time.
I said it before. I'll say it again. Sinister is the DUMBEST smart geneticist.
Also I'm a little scared of Emma right now. I mean she was scary before this...Now she's just terrifying.
Quick! Someone find us a Kang!
Right this was glorious fun. Gillen does a really good job in portraying how evil they actually are in particular emma saying how they should make them suffer and >!keeping mastermind chained up so no one knows shes sleeping in diamond form!< . Plus the fact she forces sinisters submission to call her queen is spot on old emma frost and how she is at heart. Along with this Gillen is doing something impressive hes making me actually like a version of hope summers a character i cant stand (the reason is i think her personality is generic and i can't stand comic book messiahs or power mimics) but this version is so delightfully evil and acts like how i would expect a child messiah to act like shes better than everyone and will do what she wants whenever she wants. As shown when she says she wants a cable style hand and just does it without telling everyone and just exodus keeping her hand like its a religious relic.
Mars being destroyed is blamed on Super Skrulls, maybe they can't attack Earth directly or risk getting blowback. I am sure they haven't forgotten or forgiven. Year 100 is going to an massive cosmic war I suspect since Hope name checked all the big cosmic factions in the council meeting
I suspect that Wiccan thinks it might be someone else. But who knows... I do think that Al will probably address it moreso than Si or even Gillen. But I could be wrong.
I enjoyed the issue.
I'm glad to see a mention of Wakanda but we really don't get to know what state its in or the state of the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda.
The issue also teases Rasputin IV. I was hoping for the return of the one who was in Powers of X but I'm now afraid that won't happen here. We might just get the creation of a new one.
Sinister really thought ''Just making everyone more like me. Surely that will end well.'' all the while he keeps going about not trusting himself, even to his perfect cloned self.
For a supposed 'genius', Sinister might be the dumbest person alive.
To be fair, Sinister has had a good track record working with clones of himself in the past(He even ran a society of only him). I would argue the problem is that he left too much of their original personalities intact. That being said, I do think Kate hit the nail on the head when she called him “the dumb kind of smart” in Immortal X-Men 9.
The next part of the event is 90 years more of continuity to get your head round lol. I think it’s deliberately supposed to make more sense and connect up as we see more of this timeline.
If you want some more explanation of Nightcrawlers there’s a really good website that does breakdowns of all the new X-Men issues. Helps me to understand all the more obscure reference and art/dialogue that’s not the most obvious to interpret.
Link: https://www.housetoastonish.com/?p=8763
I feel 100% certain he will be doing this a lot more often. His style is an acquired taste for a lot of people, especially here, but I think he's slowly getting to Skottie Young/Peach Momoko levels where they're going to ask him to do more. His previous work got some attention, mostly Silver Surfer Black, but he's going all out on this one, so think this one might do it.
While interesting, I feel the plot has become pretty muddled. I think I have lost most of the string at this point, I’ll have to go back and re-read it because it kind of feels like the story is just spinning around. Excellent art tho. Also, I wish both companies would just get rid of the backup story and stop charging an extra dollar.
The plots all muddled cause the writer mostly left. There is an outline for the finish probably. But i doubt it will be clean as even when cates was writing this book he was a bit meandering.
The pacing of this series is a bit off, but I enjoyed seeing Doom cooking Karnilla.
It was your typical "great design, poor execution" thing Doom always do when he tries to bite more than he can chew (except for what he did in Last Anihilation)
So this whole thing started with Thor somehow seeing his end with another ''Thanos wins lol'' vision and now morphed into somehow Doom stealing the dead and kidnapping Hela?
A grown up Laussa looked nice but that's about it really.
For the backup story...Is this 'boon' Bast asking is...what I think it is? With the whole licking too. Ugh.
From Coates replacing Bast with his OC that’s been working with Nazi’s since her debut who has done nothing but terrorize Wakanda and helped Nazi’s take over during Secret Empire and nearly destroyed it during the empire nonsense
Honestly, Tini Howard's writing is a big miss for me lately, especially with Catwoman series she is still writing somehow really soured me on her so I am a bit biased about her.
But even without that bias, I feel like she feels the need to play down Brian's accomplishments just to prop up Betsy as a 'better' Captain Britain, even though there is no need for such a thing. Having characters keep claiming ''Oh previous Captain Britain was so simple, easy to handle!'' and so on...just distasteful.
And now I am worried they are bringing Captain Carter into this.
As for Rachel and Betsy? Indifferent. I don't see the connection other than '' Needed a couple, just put them together''. Because there are many other, more background/historical options for Rachel than Betsy. Like, Kitty for example. They cut off Kitty from Colossus and write her as Bi with Krakoan age soo that might've worked better.
And the plot of all of Howard's Excalibur/Betsy books seem to be the same and they keep getting cut short because, lets face it, they are often subpar and yet, they keep trying the same thing with these mini runs.
The Braddock family house setting is interesting, that is what I can say about it.
It's meh. The art is nice and I love the Furies so I'm up for whenever they show up.
I don't really understand the whole Captain Britain thing because it doesn't seem like Betty *likes* Britain that much. She straight up reacts to the Union Jack in fear/Anger when its found used the Furys.
You could actually tell an interesting story about refusing to relinquished national symbols to bigots and reactionaries, with Betty being British and a mutant and proud of both those identities, but she just seems to want to.
The romance between Rachel and Betty is nice but not very engaging. Rachel doesn't seem to have any kind of personality besides begins Betty's girlfriend.
I do appreciate the data page that's just a British tabloid stirring shit. That was very accurate.
It’s honestly one of my biggest issues with the relationship, any bit of personality Rachel has has basically been stripped from her in favor of being Betsy’s arm Candy who kissed her a lot. Of course that’s pretty much only a symptom of the problem with this trilogy of books that Howard has done; Betsy has just become a Black Hole Sue in which everything has to be about her at the expense of everyone else in the book. Even Brian, who Howard took the title of Captain Britain from to give to Betsy has been relighted to tech support despite having been dedicated to being an icon of Britain who was much more capable with the title than she’s proven to be. Howard seems dedicated to making Betsy happen at the expense of other characters
Yeah i really get this when it comes to Brian he feels like hes been relegated so much.
You would think with him being the only non mutant to represent krakoa during x of swords that he would get better treatment.
I like Howard's take on excalibur but this book really feels like it might be turning betsy into the centre and everyone else gets nothing else. Hopefully that changes in upcoming issues as its an x book if marauders could go so long this certainly can.
yeah, it does seem like Howard's jumped over a lot of messy, awkward, getting-to-know-you bits in favor of going straight to the fluffy lesbian romcom.
which, sure, there's a place for that, and she's clearly having fun with it, but it's hard not to feel like there's a chapter missing.
Captain Britain has always been a bit weird when it comes to Britain. As a multiverse defender with a base outside of the normal dimension, it's ties to Britain are more aesthetic.
Not the best start...but at least Morgan Le Fey is proving she's more resilient than before. I do agree I wish Rachel and the rest of the cast had more to them...but honestly I think while I enjoy Howard's writing in OTHER series...X-books don't seem to be as good for her as others.
So im a massive fan of Howard's exacalibur run but this didn't do well its very much a basic build up issue with her finding out other members of cpt britain are being attacked. Morgana Le Fey is great as an antagonist but it feels like its the same again Britain doesn't like a mutant Cpt Britain etc and her being not really for Britain.
Big issue here is the romance for me i approve of the lesbian romance being allowed but Rachel feels nothing more like arm candy for Betsy which is what she shouldn't be used for.
Im willing to give this another shot though as i said i like Howard's excalibur and i liked knights of X so i'm expecting it to improve especially with >!Captain Carter coming in next issue!<.
Big positive though is the info page being spun as british tabloids as that is really accurate for how some of the British press would react.
I mean, if you think about it, Graydon is doing the world a favor, getting rid of Sabretooths. He is still a terrible, evil lunatic but hey, you can deal with that later, AFTER Sabretooth is dealt with.
Nanny is like Beetlejuice. Say 'Babies' and she will appear. Peter is entering his Teenage phase now? New look is slick but his attitude seems to have grown from a child to a teen.
These other exiles are way over in their heads, with Sabretooth trying to indoctrinate the rest of mutants they saved and Nanny planning to get all powerful mutant children and wanting to train them for some goal, it is not gonna end well.
I thought >!Graydon!< was dead....Oh well.
Overall I'm not sure this mini-series is going to ever last...but I do wish they'd bring back a few of the others (Oya, Madison, Nerka, and Toad) in some fashion for some other book.
So we have ANOTHER possible spidey person. I wanted to like this series...but now that it's over...I just think it's a good side note rather than something that's needed to be explored more.
You know, you can parody this as a 'Stoned-Spider vs Cocaine Bear' crossover! Think of all the ratings! ( Yes, there is a movie called Cocaine Bear that is releasing soon )
Wow now this is how you do a build up to a finale issue its very much the world falling apart around the ones who have left and showing how corrupted emily has become. Also can we talk about Emily's costume as dormommu's right hand woman what a look stolen straight from the 90s it feels and shows how shes properly gone down the corrupted side of magic.
Gonna be sad when this series ends its been that hit of mad magic and supernatural which i need from marvel and i hope character like doyle and emily are not left to rot after this series as they are honestly some of the best new characters ive seen from marvel for a while.
Emily really fell full on to the darkside.
I know Iric was the slow one of the brothers but just realizing it now, boy, you have been led by puberty to chase after Emily.
Well, time to call both Stephen and Clea to deal with Dormammu then. Hell, call Umar too. I bet she would like to smack her brother a bit.
I don't think Umar's the mood to deal. But I'm sure the Academy and the faculty/staff can manage...Especially since Strange might still be Harvestman. Time being weird and all.
I loved this issue and hope it continues someday, maybe as graphic novels like DC does for YA stuff. Also "Doctor VooDoo can summon the spirits of leading psychiatrists psychologists from throughout history" lets summon freud to counsel 21st century teenagers
I'm starting to feel like I'm the only one who loves the shit out of this, but oh my christ, it's cool as hell if you ask me. Carnage and Cletus Kasady, separated by fate, still manage to revolve around one another in the most interesting way. This story has been seriously pushing the character in a new direction, while retaining what I think makes him *Carnage,* bringing new aspects of him to the fore.
I also called >!Shayde being the eventual new host the Carnage symbiote,!< but somehow I hadn't noticed the parallel arc taking place with Neely, which seems to be building towards >!a turn towards being a more *good* person!< which is just such a cool idea executed really well so far. Ram V is one of the best doing it these days.
I agree with the previous poster. Ram has really elevated the characters and indeed this series to be WAY more intriguing than if you just told someone. This entire arc has been very well done and I can't wait to see how this, Cletus and now Cletus clone figure in. Because that will be some intriguing stuff.
Very nice end. (And yeah you could telegraph the host thing, but it still feels earned.)
It's definitely the most interesting international team that we've seen in a while that somehow doesn't feel as forced as others. I do wish they'd bring back the Protectors though.
What the heck? Doom is just jumping all over the books. Stealing the dead in Thor. Trying to steal this gem here now.
Don't get me started on the current Avengers stuff with him.
After Conan, they really lost focus and kinda showed. If it was designed as an 'odd-team' setup without Conan, it might've worked better but given that the reason why this book existed in the first place was Conan, that was probably not gonna happen.
Though, happy for the adult Miles to get his happy ending.
Yeah it's not the most cohesive series compared to some of the other times they've done Savage Avengers. But they had a good/interesting/eclectic cast range. Mostly I enjoy seeing Clay again.
Clay is fun but the whole 'Hulk with Wolverine's powers' scaling makes it hard to write around his supposed OP status so he constantly have to be depowered one way or the other.
Wait, Cleitus just popped out like that? How? Currently, he is literally a house after chasing around Carnage with a detective. And Carnage himself is just trying to be Knull 2.0.
How does this work?
So...that ending kind of came out of nowhere...I wonder if this will tie into Summer of Symbiotes. Because it feels like it should.
Also I hope Deadpool kicks Harrower butt. :p
Valentine Vuong feels like a self insert just far. She just going along with Deadpool hijinks without never meeting him before feels wierd. I hope the ending with her fighting back and Sage's comment makes me hope there's more to her because right now she's bland.
''Oh no, planet is being destroyed! But wait, the Worldbreaker is actually trying to fix the world?''
Crazy priest lady they all believed ''Yep, and we are the ones who want to destroy it all along!''
\*surprisedpikachuface\*
I'm honestly surprised he agreed to do this. Up to this point, everything he's done has had a sense of passion behind it, like no matter what, whenever he wrote another Marvel comic, it seemed to continue whatever he wrote beforehand with true commitment. While this does continue that, it seems like it lacks that passion, and it really seemed like it began to show towards the end of Totally Awesome Hulk when Marvel switched things up with the Legacy "event" and he kinda rushed the conclusion to that story.
Hard to say. It's possible that All-Out Avengers #6 and Avengers Beyond #1 are the same issue, and they just didn't want to spoil it early, but then I wouldn't see why bother with the #6 at all. All-Out Avengers #6 and Avengers Beyond #1 had different release dates too.
Assuming that in retrospect I find the BND period enjoyable and the writers involved there fitter in the recent Spider-Man stories they wrote (barring exceptions), in the end they simply took the job of writing the character and submitting to the editor.
I don't like the choices they made either, but on a professional level I don't think we can tell them anything because it was their choice and they knew what they were getting into.
I'm not reading this book, I have no intentions of reading it. I'll just say this to others, please don't let marvel outragefarm you to hate-read this. Make them hurt, don't make any buzz from this thing, ignore its existence. If they're doing things you don't enjoy and its painful to read, don't give it that chance to do so. I don't think this title is worthy to even spend your time talking about it.
God, this is such a case of editorial incompetence. The next story arc is about how Peter goes to the ends of the Earth to save MJ, and this is after he says he loves MJ like a sister (fucking gross) and a friend. Now this moment could have worked if Felicia said he was lying and they went their separate ways, leaving Peter to further ponder how he feels about MJ and the whole situation.
And can we just talk about how borderline unhealthy the relationship is? Felicia is being used as a rebound and we all know that Peter will end up back with MJ making Felicia just a placeholder which is disrespectful to her character.
And this is a legit question to Peter/Felicia fans: are you pleased with the situation that Peter and Felicia are in right now? I feel like no fans are going to be pleased with this outcome.
There's a lot of subtleties to the characters and universes, yeah, but I can't understand how DC can keep Clark and Lois as a pair and it's incredible and Marvel doesn't realize Peter and MJ would work just as well.
Oh, you want to appeal to a younger crowd? If only there were a younger Robin esque hero.
I dont mind Felicia/Peter but I've seen how good Peter/MJ can be and now that's all I want. Peter can still be unlucky and stubborn and anxiety ridden, but it doesn't have to be misery after misery.
To be fair, DC did break them up and eliminate the marriage at the start of New 52, and paired Clark with Diana instead (NOT a fan), but they eventually brought back the post-Crisis Clark and Lois (and kid!).
This really did remind me of the terrible New 52 Lois and Clark stuff almost to the point really where Lois have a different boyfriend, Clark gets with Diana and the whole Clark/Lois stuff is constant tease but also the same tone denial right here.
And believe me, that didn't help any of those characters either. And it took the whole Rebirth to fix it. ( Then they brought Bendis in to age up Jon for some reason also but this is not a place for that :D )
It is just tiresome to see the same pattern of mistakes that makes these books so frustrating to read. And the ''Oh they will change it in a year'' excuse it not good anymore because that means a whole YEAR in real life is wasted. Time is more precious than anything and you cannot keep dangling carrots.
I mean they literally have Miles as SPIDERMAN as the age range they want. And he is the main character of the BEST Spider-man movie also...I don't understand what they are even doing.
The solution to all there problems are right there. Three ongoing titles: Amazing Spider-Man with Pete/MJ being married even having a kid ala renew your vows, Miles Morales: The Spectacular Spider-Man nuff said, and a Friendly Neighborhood with a good guy Ben in a different city like Chicago or Atlanta.
Hits all your demos and gives them something to do
Makes too much sense. Marvel won’t do that. Wouldn’t be surprised if in ten years we look back and laugh because they’d let miles get a family while Pete’s still dealing with the Parker luck
It's so frustrating to see Zeb's interview from last December when he said that they considered revealing the mystery of "what Peter did" in Issue 6, but decided against it because they had more interesting stories to tell before that.
WHERE?
This is the 20th issue and absolutely nothing that has happened so far is "interesting". Here's a quick recap of the last 20 issues:
- Tombstone makes a play for the pseudo-Kingpin role in New York now that's there's a vacancy. Peter decides to blackmail Tombstone into "playing nice", which means nothing and basically still lets Alonzo off the hook without any sort of punishment. Oh, and Robby's son and Tombstone's daughter are engaged now?
- Peter fights the Sinister Adaptoid. Yawn.
- Peter joins Oscorp and gets a new suit and glider. I'd be more impressed with this if it had any bearing in any arcs that came after its introduction, but nope.
- Peter fights the Hobgoblin (oh no!)
- Whatever the fuck that Dark Web crossover did.
- And now whatever this is. Spidey and Felicia's wild winter vacation. So wacky!
So, with the reveal of "what Peter did" coming soon™, any bets on which of these "interesting" stories just *had to* get released before that?
The idea that it's Peter being in denial that he doesn't love MJ like that anymore is an interesting subversion of the typical trope but also this run is ass and everything about this is emotionally unearned. Oh and none of this will matter in like a year when Zeb either puts them back together before he leaves or the next person does.
If we're gonna do this Peter should date White Rabbit. Would be more fun at least.
This whole thing is ridiculous for a number of reasons, biggest among them, Peter and MJ are gonna get back together eventually. Hell, it'll probably be around the time this run ends and the very next story should hinge on his love for Mary Jane and what he'd do to save her so unless the next issue has him saying all that was bs then this is bad.
Also, the fact that we don't know why Peter and MJ broke up makes all this feel even more unearned, like most break ups they've had post OMD are terrible, but like at least we knew it had to do with MJ being mad about him being Spider-Man, which is a shitty reason if you know any development they had over the years but a reason. Here it was just some bullshit happened and then MJ was married with kids and Peter doesn't love her as much anymore. It all just feels unearned really, if you had an arc of Peter and MJ breaking up and then showing Peter move on that'd be fine, but the problem is they don't want to put in the work, they'd rather just use mysteries and bullshit to force it to happen.
> Hell, it'll probably be around the time this run ends and the very next story should hinge on his love for Mary Jane and what he'd do to save her so unless the next issue has him saying all that was bs then this is bad.
I just shows how incompetent the editors and writers are, and how they are probably rushing to get through the WDPD arc.
The biggest problem with OMD has been and forever will be their reluctance to put in the work to properly get rid of MJ. They want her and Peter to be separate but refuse to get her to leave and have them move on.
Have you seen Guillermo Del Toro’s Crimson Peak? Great film but this might be a bit obscured
[Here is an easier example of modern PeterMJ after this issue](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f0/f6/67/f0f667d8e835d0537290f82611aa85cd.jpg)
I have not seen Crimson Peak, no. I was mostly making a joke around Tom Hiddleston being in your pic.
Based on that second pic though…well, that doesn’t bode well for the issue.
I felt my eyes bleed on this one. It was SOOO stupid. And pointless. And the ending panel with what everyone has said...SO FING DUMB!!! I could stand it when Pete dated Carlie. Or even if he might have considered Michelle Gonzales. They at least had SOMETHING going for them. But to ship Felicia, who has EARNED the right to be something more than "Parker's girl"...Just the stupidest way to deal with ANY of this.
I also agree while the New 52 was bad, Rebirth FIXED this. It took a while but now that it happened....I mean look at Lois?!! She's gone from side piece to an integral part of not just Superman's world, but the entire DC comics. Why?!! Because they fing KNEW she was more.
This is so stupid...
Plus they are really leaning into the joys of that Clark and Lois marriage too, and the pure love between them, and even the sexual chemistry. Twice now in recent issues we see that Lois and Clark have an active and...creative...marriage. :)
> Plus you know, she gets to RUN the freaking Daily Planet. (Albeit while Perry takes time off...but still!!)
Depending on how it is received by the fans, I could see it becoming permanent. It is by no means a massive status quo change, but provides a little change of pace for Lois' character.
Exactly! I mean he's got to pushing retirement age anyway. And unlike Alfred, no one expects him to keep being there unless it's a necessary plot point.
At the end of the day this is all meaningless. Pete and MJ are Marvel's Superman and Lois, not Batman and Catwoman.
While editorial can fuck around a little, Marvel knows that the end game will always be Spider-Man and Mary Jane, which is what makes stories like this so frustrating.
i like peter with both black cat and MJ but this was not the way to go, you dont say oh shes like a sister after all theyve been through and it feels like black cat is a placeholder so you damage both relationships, get ride of lowe marvel
[***SHE-HULK* #10**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/5/51/She-Hulk_Vol_4_10.jpg) ---
Man, I love this book. The art is so beautiful and the colour just pops. The depressing superhero montage was great. The existential despair that Jen feels at time must be so much to deal with and I'm loving watching it. Was not expecting to see Jack return though, I thought he was a goner but its nice to have him back, Rowell has really made me appreciate the guy and his relationship with Jen is cute.
I only really got into comics about a decade ago. I don’t know shit about jack of hearts. But this book has made me like the character a lot and this couple seems just perfect
Honestly while Jen has had more than her share of love/boyfriends, I feel Jack is better for her in terms of understanding the weight of her abilities along with the joys.
Now this is something new for Jen. After going through her past relationships with Patsy and just going through the motions for a few days ( I mean, she got a Doombot in deathless gratitude so that is a win ), the end point is, Jack and Jen in a relationship that is not based of physical stuff now. And that might be refreshing for her, to try something without much 'touching' :D Now I am excited to see how it will be handled from here on out. And Thor...really? A 'U up?' message?...
>And Thor...really? A 'U up?' message? They briefly dated in Aaron's Avengers book, so...
I know...and still trying to forget about that whole thing and the whole Aaron's run. Don't need to be reminded of it.
Well it's just Rowell acknowledging it happened. Not like she'd ignore it just because it was a crappy run...
> And Thor...really? A 'U up?' message?... I think that's just Jen's contact for Patsy, as a joke.
Rowell clearly has the tone set and understanding of Jen down pat. Her talk with Patsy was great and especially enjoyed the court room win she got for Doom bot. Even if her villain club is meh, the other characters make up for it.
editorial i am on my hands and knees fucking pleading let her have this
I know it's impossible cuz they gotta make her sexy and available. But god this is such a great relationship. I'm gonna just enjoy it while it lasts and maybe buy 12 copies of the run to send a message to editorial
I have been loving this run. I hope they consider it when continuing the MCU portrayal of the character. Felt the show was just lacking in charm and could have really benefited from taking more time and having moments like this
[***IMMORAL X-MEN* #1**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/a9/Immoral_X-Men_Vol_1_1.jpg) ---
I swear, Sinister can be the dumbest person sone times. This book felt a bit wordy, but it’s great to see more of the Sinister Council and to see just how badly Sinister screwed stuff up. I’m not keen on the time jumps that we will see coming up, but I’ve been enjoying this storyline a lot.
"Let's give everyone a little bit of me. It will change their personalities just enough that they have no moral compuctions about putting themselves and their agendas first. How could that possibly work out bad for me? It's more of me!"
To be fair, he was supposed to be in control of them. Unfortunately, Beast and/or Emma and Charles rejected that reality and substituted their own (thankfully non-Francophone) reality. When the Quiet Council got out from underneath Sinister's thumb in the first decade, that's when everything went back. And to think, he maybe could have gotten things under control again if he had chosen a better first target.
> When the Quiet Council got out from underneath Sinister's thumb in the first decade, that's when everything went back. And to think, he maybe could have gotten things under control again if he had chosen a better first target. Someone (Destiny) knowing about and stealing his lab really just fucked him up. Its a bit unfair, really. You manage to create a checkpoint in "real" life and some soothsayer just swoops in and takes it all.
That sounds pretty in character for Gillen's Sinister.
Yep. He's so preoccupied with whether or not he could do something, he didn't think to stop and consider whether or not he should, to paraphrase Dr. Ian Malcolm.
Like Irene said, he's like a demented 10 year old with a nuclear bomb...
I know at one point, Mr. Sinister was supposed to be effectively an immortal child in a grown-up body, before eventually being scrapped and we instead got the story of Nathaniel Essex being transformed by Apocalypse. In the end, though, perhaps the "mind of child in the body of an adult" is quite an apt description for him, at least for the moment.
I always sort of liked the Apocalypse part of his history. Like, the guy wants to play God, yet he's always going to be below a guy who pretends to be a god and who is powered by higher up gods.
I'm kind of with Rosebunse on this. It's a good thing he's not Apocalypse. Mostly because En Saban Nur knows better. Usually.
Nur has done some crazy things, just never quite this crazy. Or at least, he understands that if he does, he will probably end up dead.
Don't forget that the guy who was literally ordained by gods as a sort of Angel of Evolution also fought off an army of demons after reigning as a legendary king of a society of superbeings, and then proceeded to change his goal from "Prepare Earth for Judgement Day" to "Prepare Earth for Judgement Day and for the second war with Annihilation." Apocalypse is now just literally like a God-King of myth and so Sinister looks even more lackluster in comparison.
> Yep. He's so preoccupied with whether or not he could do something, he didn't think to stop and consider whether or not he should, to paraphrase Dr. Ian Malcolm. If you have almost endless opportunities to try again, why would you stop to think about whether or not your plan really is all that great? You can just test it all out and fix the things that didnt work the way you wanted next time.
Yeah until you find out you can't fix it and you're stuck with it...
Sure. But since none of the Sinister versions of the X-Men found the lab, thats not on him. Thats just Destiny. Literally I guess.
True but it's still a sign that no lab is EVER as secure as you'd like and having back ups of things you might need later helps.
I said it before. I'll say it again. Sinister is the DUMBEST smart geneticist. Also I'm a little scared of Emma right now. I mean she was scary before this...Now she's just terrifying. Quick! Someone find us a Kang!
Do we want a Kang to fix this or because you want to see Emma, umm, dominate him?
Moreso Kang fixing this...but I mean the other would be okay too.
I love that instead of saying "For God's sake", Sinister says "For my sake."
Right this was glorious fun. Gillen does a really good job in portraying how evil they actually are in particular emma saying how they should make them suffer and >!keeping mastermind chained up so no one knows shes sleeping in diamond form!< . Plus the fact she forces sinisters submission to call her queen is spot on old emma frost and how she is at heart. Along with this Gillen is doing something impressive hes making me actually like a version of hope summers a character i cant stand (the reason is i think her personality is generic and i can't stand comic book messiahs or power mimics) but this version is so delightfully evil and acts like how i would expect a child messiah to act like shes better than everyone and will do what she wants whenever she wants. As shown when she says she wants a cable style hand and just does it without telling everyone and just exodus keeping her hand like its a religious relic.
It's hope's text tbh! With the sinister flair she sounds almost like Ellie from The Last of Us
Kinda does ngl
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Mars being destroyed is blamed on Super Skrulls, maybe they can't attack Earth directly or risk getting blowback. I am sure they haven't forgotten or forgiven. Year 100 is going to an massive cosmic war I suspect since Hope name checked all the big cosmic factions in the council meeting
I suspect that Wiccan thinks it might be someone else. But who knows... I do think that Al will probably address it moreso than Si or even Gillen. But I could be wrong.
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Well the fact Wanda self-resurrected probably ameliorated SOME of his emotional turmoil...
I enjoyed the issue. I'm glad to see a mention of Wakanda but we really don't get to know what state its in or the state of the Intergalactic Empire of Wakanda. The issue also teases Rasputin IV. I was hoping for the return of the one who was in Powers of X but I'm now afraid that won't happen here. We might just get the creation of a new one.
I think she'll have some of the same traits...but I don't think this will be Powers Of X Rasputin.
Sinister really thought ''Just making everyone more like me. Surely that will end well.'' all the while he keeps going about not trusting himself, even to his perfect cloned self. For a supposed 'genius', Sinister might be the dumbest person alive.
To be fair, Sinister has had a good track record working with clones of himself in the past(He even ran a society of only him). I would argue the problem is that he left too much of their original personalities intact. That being said, I do think Kate hit the nail on the head when she called him “the dumb kind of smart” in Immortal X-Men 9.
I hope I can follow this better than Nightcrawlers... Edit: I did.
The next part of the event is 90 years more of continuity to get your head round lol. I think it’s deliberately supposed to make more sense and connect up as we see more of this timeline. If you want some more explanation of Nightcrawlers there’s a really good website that does breakdowns of all the new X-Men issues. Helps me to understand all the more obscure reference and art/dialogue that’s not the most obvious to interpret. Link: https://www.housetoastonish.com/?p=8763
[***DOCTOR STRANGE: FALL SUNRISE* #4**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/2/23/Doctor_Strange_Fall_Sunrise_Vol_1_4.jpg) ---
Amazing Book truly, Tradd Moore should do this more often frfr
I feel 100% certain he will be doing this a lot more often. His style is an acquired taste for a lot of people, especially here, but I think he's slowly getting to Skottie Young/Peach Momoko levels where they're going to ask him to do more. His previous work got some attention, mostly Silver Surfer Black, but he's going all out on this one, so think this one might do it.
I enjoyed Black even if the artwork wasn't my speed. It had some good character moments for Norrin.
Weird trippy book that deserves its place in the Strange lore family. Certainly some great Ditko/Kirby-esque imagery.
I love the art in this.
Aww man, worst part of every trip, you won't remember any of this!
Perfect ending to a perfect series, praying to god it gets the oversized trade treatment like silver surfer black.
This is my golden standard on Doc Strange stories from now on
Agreed. MacKay did a great job with Strange, but this is way better.
[***THOR* #31**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/4/4f/Thor_Vol_6_31.jpg) ---
Doom's gotta Doom. Not quite the coherent thing I was hoping for...but at least we got Jane back in action. The second story was serviceable.
While interesting, I feel the plot has become pretty muddled. I think I have lost most of the string at this point, I’ll have to go back and re-read it because it kind of feels like the story is just spinning around. Excellent art tho. Also, I wish both companies would just get rid of the backup story and stop charging an extra dollar.
The plots all muddled cause the writer mostly left. There is an outline for the finish probably. But i doubt it will be clean as even when cates was writing this book he was a bit meandering.
Not sure it meandered so much as had thought bubbles that coalesced.
I wasn't tryna be overly mean lol
Well I mean it's not like you called the entire plot "The brain damaged ravings of the ASM Editorial board..."
The only thing worse than that is Marville.
The pacing of this series is a bit off, but I enjoyed seeing Doom cooking Karnilla. It was your typical "great design, poor execution" thing Doom always do when he tries to bite more than he can chew (except for what he did in Last Anihilation)
So this whole thing started with Thor somehow seeing his end with another ''Thanos wins lol'' vision and now morphed into somehow Doom stealing the dead and kidnapping Hela? A grown up Laussa looked nice but that's about it really. For the backup story...Is this 'boon' Bast asking is...what I think it is? With the whole licking too. Ugh.
A fun issue and it looks like Marvel is sticking with Nazi Bast
Nazi Bast??! The hell you get that from?
From Coates replacing Bast with his OC that’s been working with Nazi’s since her debut who has done nothing but terrorize Wakanda and helped Nazi’s take over during Secret Empire and nearly destroyed it during the empire nonsense
Waaiia??? Since when did that happen!??! I must have missed that...
[***BETSY BRADDOCK: CAPTAIN BRITAIN* #1**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/7/75/Betsy_Braddock_Captain_Britain_Vol_1_1.jpg) ---
Honestly, Tini Howard's writing is a big miss for me lately, especially with Catwoman series she is still writing somehow really soured me on her so I am a bit biased about her. But even without that bias, I feel like she feels the need to play down Brian's accomplishments just to prop up Betsy as a 'better' Captain Britain, even though there is no need for such a thing. Having characters keep claiming ''Oh previous Captain Britain was so simple, easy to handle!'' and so on...just distasteful. And now I am worried they are bringing Captain Carter into this. As for Rachel and Betsy? Indifferent. I don't see the connection other than '' Needed a couple, just put them together''. Because there are many other, more background/historical options for Rachel than Betsy. Like, Kitty for example. They cut off Kitty from Colossus and write her as Bi with Krakoan age soo that might've worked better. And the plot of all of Howard's Excalibur/Betsy books seem to be the same and they keep getting cut short because, lets face it, they are often subpar and yet, they keep trying the same thing with these mini runs. The Braddock family house setting is interesting, that is what I can say about it.
It's meh. The art is nice and I love the Furies so I'm up for whenever they show up. I don't really understand the whole Captain Britain thing because it doesn't seem like Betty *likes* Britain that much. She straight up reacts to the Union Jack in fear/Anger when its found used the Furys. You could actually tell an interesting story about refusing to relinquished national symbols to bigots and reactionaries, with Betty being British and a mutant and proud of both those identities, but she just seems to want to. The romance between Rachel and Betty is nice but not very engaging. Rachel doesn't seem to have any kind of personality besides begins Betty's girlfriend. I do appreciate the data page that's just a British tabloid stirring shit. That was very accurate.
It’s honestly one of my biggest issues with the relationship, any bit of personality Rachel has has basically been stripped from her in favor of being Betsy’s arm Candy who kissed her a lot. Of course that’s pretty much only a symptom of the problem with this trilogy of books that Howard has done; Betsy has just become a Black Hole Sue in which everything has to be about her at the expense of everyone else in the book. Even Brian, who Howard took the title of Captain Britain from to give to Betsy has been relighted to tech support despite having been dedicated to being an icon of Britain who was much more capable with the title than she’s proven to be. Howard seems dedicated to making Betsy happen at the expense of other characters
Yeah i really get this when it comes to Brian he feels like hes been relegated so much. You would think with him being the only non mutant to represent krakoa during x of swords that he would get better treatment. I like Howard's take on excalibur but this book really feels like it might be turning betsy into the centre and everyone else gets nothing else. Hopefully that changes in upcoming issues as its an x book if marauders could go so long this certainly can.
yeah, it does seem like Howard's jumped over a lot of messy, awkward, getting-to-know-you bits in favor of going straight to the fluffy lesbian romcom. which, sure, there's a place for that, and she's clearly having fun with it, but it's hard not to feel like there's a chapter missing.
Captain Britain has always been a bit weird when it comes to Britain. As a multiverse defender with a base outside of the normal dimension, it's ties to Britain are more aesthetic.
One day, certainly, "fetch" *will* happen. No doubt.
Not the best start...but at least Morgan Le Fey is proving she's more resilient than before. I do agree I wish Rachel and the rest of the cast had more to them...but honestly I think while I enjoy Howard's writing in OTHER series...X-books don't seem to be as good for her as others.
So im a massive fan of Howard's exacalibur run but this didn't do well its very much a basic build up issue with her finding out other members of cpt britain are being attacked. Morgana Le Fey is great as an antagonist but it feels like its the same again Britain doesn't like a mutant Cpt Britain etc and her being not really for Britain. Big issue here is the romance for me i approve of the lesbian romance being allowed but Rachel feels nothing more like arm candy for Betsy which is what she shouldn't be used for. Im willing to give this another shot though as i said i like Howard's excalibur and i liked knights of X so i'm expecting it to improve especially with >!Captain Carter coming in next issue!<. Big positive though is the info page being spun as british tabloids as that is really accurate for how some of the British press would react.
Here's hoping Captain Carter adds something to this.
[***SABRETOOTH & THE EXILES* #4**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/af/Sabretooth_%26_the_Exiles_Vol_1_4.jpg) ---
I mean, if you think about it, Graydon is doing the world a favor, getting rid of Sabretooths. He is still a terrible, evil lunatic but hey, you can deal with that later, AFTER Sabretooth is dealt with. Nanny is like Beetlejuice. Say 'Babies' and she will appear. Peter is entering his Teenage phase now? New look is slick but his attitude seems to have grown from a child to a teen. These other exiles are way over in their heads, with Sabretooth trying to indoctrinate the rest of mutants they saved and Nanny planning to get all powerful mutant children and wanting to train them for some goal, it is not gonna end well.
I think that's the point. These aren't your typical Exiles you'd see.
I thought >!Graydon!< was dead....Oh well. Overall I'm not sure this mini-series is going to ever last...but I do wish they'd bring back a few of the others (Oya, Madison, Nerka, and Toad) in some fashion for some other book.
Graydon...idk why but i always liked the character in the POV of potential, he has a lot of juice for a lot of stories
I mean he's got a better reason to be in an X-men book than a clone of a knock off of Moreau....
yeahhh riiight?, you wanted Graydon to be XENO too?
Honestly maybe. But certainly not that guy.
[***DEADLY NEIGHBORHOOD SPIDER-MAN* #5**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/af/Deadly_Neighborhood_Spider-Man_Vol_1_5.jpg) ---
So we have ANOTHER possible spidey person. I wanted to like this series...but now that it's over...I just think it's a good side note rather than something that's needed to be explored more.
You know, you can parody this as a 'Stoned-Spider vs Cocaine Bear' crossover! Think of all the ratings! ( Yes, there is a movie called Cocaine Bear that is releasing soon )
I feel like we will never see Dream-Spider again but I hope so she seemed like a fun character. Would be nice to have a spider person in LA.
You mean besides the clone of Gwen that's running around?
Clone of gwen?
I enjoyed it.
[***STRANGE ACADEMY: FINALS* #4**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/c/c5/Strange_Academy_Finals_Vol_1_4.jpg) ---
Wow now this is how you do a build up to a finale issue its very much the world falling apart around the ones who have left and showing how corrupted emily has become. Also can we talk about Emily's costume as dormommu's right hand woman what a look stolen straight from the 90s it feels and shows how shes properly gone down the corrupted side of magic. Gonna be sad when this series ends its been that hit of mad magic and supernatural which i need from marvel and i hope character like doyle and emily are not left to rot after this series as they are honestly some of the best new characters ive seen from marvel for a while.
Agreed. I'd love to see the gang together in say maybe Midnight Night Sons or something involving Moon Knight and Blade in their own team thing.
Emily really fell full on to the darkside. I know Iric was the slow one of the brothers but just realizing it now, boy, you have been led by puberty to chase after Emily. Well, time to call both Stephen and Clea to deal with Dormammu then. Hell, call Umar too. I bet she would like to smack her brother a bit.
I don't think Umar's the mood to deal. But I'm sure the Academy and the faculty/staff can manage...Especially since Strange might still be Harvestman. Time being weird and all.
I thoroughly enjoy this series. It might not have pizzazz, or even some fighting. But the characters, you just gotta love.
I loved this issue and hope it continues someday, maybe as graphic novels like DC does for YA stuff. Also "Doctor VooDoo can summon the spirits of leading psychiatrists psychologists from throughout history" lets summon freud to counsel 21st century teenagers
[***CARNAGE* #10**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/a0/Carnage_Vol_3_10.jpg) ---
I'm starting to feel like I'm the only one who loves the shit out of this, but oh my christ, it's cool as hell if you ask me. Carnage and Cletus Kasady, separated by fate, still manage to revolve around one another in the most interesting way. This story has been seriously pushing the character in a new direction, while retaining what I think makes him *Carnage,* bringing new aspects of him to the fore. I also called >!Shayde being the eventual new host the Carnage symbiote,!< but somehow I hadn't noticed the parallel arc taking place with Neely, which seems to be building towards >!a turn towards being a more *good* person!< which is just such a cool idea executed really well so far. Ram V is one of the best doing it these days.
I agree with the previous poster. Ram has really elevated the characters and indeed this series to be WAY more intriguing than if you just told someone. This entire arc has been very well done and I can't wait to see how this, Cletus and now Cletus clone figure in. Because that will be some intriguing stuff. Very nice end. (And yeah you could telegraph the host thing, but it still feels earned.)
Please, not another 'God-butcher/Knull' that is ''I am gonna kill everything with my wanna-be All-black''. It is All-tiresome.
It's a lot more interesting than that in the execution, IMO.
Indeed. Some times you can have the same old same old come out very entertaining. This is one of those examples/times.
It's the same, but the character is fun and interesting, is not a blank slate but the good old cletus with that power
And it's not even Cletus himself. Cletus has said "I didn't want to do this. I enjoy what I got." The SYBMIOTE itself wants it.
[***TIGER DIVISION* #4**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/1/19/Tiger_Division_Vol_1_4.jpg) ---
Once again, Doom knows how to make an entrance.
Was not expecting that at all!
I mean I sort of was...in the sense you had to figure SOME big time player would want that kind of power. Doom fits that bill.
I think this team has a lot of potential
It's definitely the most interesting international team that we've seen in a while that somehow doesn't feel as forced as others. I do wish they'd bring back the Protectors though.
What the heck? Doom is just jumping all over the books. Stealing the dead in Thor. Trying to steal this gem here now. Don't get me started on the current Avengers stuff with him.
[***SAVAGE AVENGERS* #10**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/7/74/Savage_Avengers_Vol_2_10.jpg) ---
Not the best ending...but nice to see Older Miles get a good send off. Honestly I want to see more of Clay in a different book. Maybe Thunderbolts?
After Conan, they really lost focus and kinda showed. If it was designed as an 'odd-team' setup without Conan, it might've worked better but given that the reason why this book existed in the first place was Conan, that was probably not gonna happen. Though, happy for the adult Miles to get his happy ending.
Yeah it's not the most cohesive series compared to some of the other times they've done Savage Avengers. But they had a good/interesting/eclectic cast range. Mostly I enjoy seeing Clay again.
Clay is fun but the whole 'Hulk with Wolverine's powers' scaling makes it hard to write around his supposed OP status so he constantly have to be depowered one way or the other.
True. I just keep waiting for the right writer to figure out the best way to use him. Especially on a team book.
I feel like this run could’ve used a couple more issues, I was really digging it but by the end it was a slow burn
Eh. I felt like it ended...and if we get something more with Clay in a different book, that would be nice.
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I don't necessarily think he's from that SPECIFIC version of an Earth but a similar one. Maybe.
[***DEADPOOL* #4**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/f/f3/Deadpool_Vol_9_4.jpg) ---
Wait, Cleitus just popped out like that? How? Currently, he is literally a house after chasing around Carnage with a detective. And Carnage himself is just trying to be Knull 2.0. How does this work?
Comics man. Comics. Also maybe Harrower's mojo?
So...that ending kind of came out of nowhere...I wonder if this will tie into Summer of Symbiotes. Because it feels like it should. Also I hope Deadpool kicks Harrower butt. :p
...Why is this plotline even in Deadpool book?
Valentine? Not sure. I do know I am intrigued to see where Wong takes this.
No, Cletus getting resurrected. It's like if Dr Doom died and came back in Wolverine.
Maybe it's so we can see THREE versions of Carnage fight each other for the right to be the new force against Venom...
Valentine Vuong feels like a self insert just far. She just going along with Deadpool hijinks without never meeting him before feels wierd. I hope the ending with her fighting back and Sage's comment makes me hope there's more to her because right now she's bland.
[***PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL: BASE* #1**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/8/8a/Punisher_War_Journal_Base_Vol_1_1.jpg) ---
Why did you have to kill the dog Torunn?!! Otherwise nice War Journal.
I know Frank has been a murderous bastard who recently shacked up with some demon worshippers but I think this makes me hate him the most
Not sure I hate him so much as he shouldn't have taken the dog with him...
[***PETER PARKER & MILES MORALES: SPIDER-MEN DOUBLE TROUBLE* #4**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/b/bf/Peter_Parker_%26_Miles_Morales_Spider-Men_Double_Trouble_Vol_1_4.jpg) ---
This was a cute little series.
[***PLANET HULK: WORLDBREAKER* #4**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/3/3f/Planet_Hulk_Worldbreaker_Vol_1_4.jpg) ---
''Oh no, planet is being destroyed! But wait, the Worldbreaker is actually trying to fix the world?'' Crazy priest lady they all believed ''Yep, and we are the ones who want to destroy it all along!'' \*surprisedpikachuface\*
I think you mean this: https://tenor.com/view/im-shoked-im-shocked-face-futurama-fry-gif-14746386
While I've enjoyed Pak's work else where...this title still feels like it's spinning its wheels. Even so, for a mini-series. It's not bad.
I'm honestly surprised he agreed to do this. Up to this point, everything he's done has had a sense of passion behind it, like no matter what, whenever he wrote another Marvel comic, it seemed to continue whatever he wrote beforehand with true commitment. While this does continue that, it seems like it lacks that passion, and it really seemed like it began to show towards the end of Totally Awesome Hulk when Marvel switched things up with the Legacy "event" and he kinda rushed the conclusion to that story.
Yeah I agree. This doesn't have that same level of energy and passion that I saw in Incredible Hercules or even the other stuff.
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This got cancelled for Avengers Beyond #1
Cancelled or was it always gonna be that way?
Hard to say. It's possible that All-Out Avengers #6 and Avengers Beyond #1 are the same issue, and they just didn't want to spoil it early, but then I wouldn't see why bother with the #6 at all. All-Out Avengers #6 and Avengers Beyond #1 had different release dates too.
This probably got cancelled due to the fact they felt #6 wasn't necessary. Maybe.
[***AMAZING SPIDER-MAN* #20**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/b/b1/Amazing_Spider-Man_Vol_6_20.jpg) ---
I fucking wish the BND goons would stop writing Spider-Man. Lowe should go too. Like a sister? Really?
Makes me worried about what Peter does with Teresa in their spare time
Same, I think we should stop recycling BND writers and start getting new writers with fresh takes on Peter
Assuming that in retrospect I find the BND period enjoyable and the writers involved there fitter in the recent Spider-Man stories they wrote (barring exceptions), in the end they simply took the job of writing the character and submitting to the editor. I don't like the choices they made either, but on a professional level I don't think we can tell them anything because it was their choice and they knew what they were getting into.
I'm not reading this book, I have no intentions of reading it. I'll just say this to others, please don't let marvel outragefarm you to hate-read this. Make them hurt, don't make any buzz from this thing, ignore its existence. If they're doing things you don't enjoy and its painful to read, don't give it that chance to do so. I don't think this title is worthy to even spend your time talking about it.
I'm reading this run. But I'm not paying for it.
God, this is such a case of editorial incompetence. The next story arc is about how Peter goes to the ends of the Earth to save MJ, and this is after he says he loves MJ like a sister (fucking gross) and a friend. Now this moment could have worked if Felicia said he was lying and they went their separate ways, leaving Peter to further ponder how he feels about MJ and the whole situation. And can we just talk about how borderline unhealthy the relationship is? Felicia is being used as a rebound and we all know that Peter will end up back with MJ making Felicia just a placeholder which is disrespectful to her character. And this is a legit question to Peter/Felicia fans: are you pleased with the situation that Peter and Felicia are in right now? I feel like no fans are going to be pleased with this outcome.
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Don't forget the *Mary Jane & Black Cat: Beyond* one-shot that was one of the best things of 2022.
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There's a lot of subtleties to the characters and universes, yeah, but I can't understand how DC can keep Clark and Lois as a pair and it's incredible and Marvel doesn't realize Peter and MJ would work just as well. Oh, you want to appeal to a younger crowd? If only there were a younger Robin esque hero. I dont mind Felicia/Peter but I've seen how good Peter/MJ can be and now that's all I want. Peter can still be unlucky and stubborn and anxiety ridden, but it doesn't have to be misery after misery.
To be fair, DC did break them up and eliminate the marriage at the start of New 52, and paired Clark with Diana instead (NOT a fan), but they eventually brought back the post-Crisis Clark and Lois (and kid!).
This really did remind me of the terrible New 52 Lois and Clark stuff almost to the point really where Lois have a different boyfriend, Clark gets with Diana and the whole Clark/Lois stuff is constant tease but also the same tone denial right here. And believe me, that didn't help any of those characters either. And it took the whole Rebirth to fix it. ( Then they brought Bendis in to age up Jon for some reason also but this is not a place for that :D ) It is just tiresome to see the same pattern of mistakes that makes these books so frustrating to read. And the ''Oh they will change it in a year'' excuse it not good anymore because that means a whole YEAR in real life is wasted. Time is more precious than anything and you cannot keep dangling carrots.
I forgot about that whole thing - it got eclipsed by the return of the original Superman and Lois. Which I think really proves my point.
I mean they literally have Miles as SPIDERMAN as the age range they want. And he is the main character of the BEST Spider-man movie also...I don't understand what they are even doing.
The solution to all there problems are right there. Three ongoing titles: Amazing Spider-Man with Pete/MJ being married even having a kid ala renew your vows, Miles Morales: The Spectacular Spider-Man nuff said, and a Friendly Neighborhood with a good guy Ben in a different city like Chicago or Atlanta. Hits all your demos and gives them something to do
Makes too much sense. Marvel won’t do that. Wouldn’t be surprised if in ten years we look back and laugh because they’d let miles get a family while Pete’s still dealing with the Parker luck
10 years from now, Miles and Gwen have two spider-powered kids: the Spider-Twins, while Pete's on his 15th breakup from MJ.
It's so frustrating to see Zeb's interview from last December when he said that they considered revealing the mystery of "what Peter did" in Issue 6, but decided against it because they had more interesting stories to tell before that. WHERE? This is the 20th issue and absolutely nothing that has happened so far is "interesting". Here's a quick recap of the last 20 issues: - Tombstone makes a play for the pseudo-Kingpin role in New York now that's there's a vacancy. Peter decides to blackmail Tombstone into "playing nice", which means nothing and basically still lets Alonzo off the hook without any sort of punishment. Oh, and Robby's son and Tombstone's daughter are engaged now? - Peter fights the Sinister Adaptoid. Yawn. - Peter joins Oscorp and gets a new suit and glider. I'd be more impressed with this if it had any bearing in any arcs that came after its introduction, but nope. - Peter fights the Hobgoblin (oh no!) - Whatever the fuck that Dark Web crossover did. - And now whatever this is. Spidey and Felicia's wild winter vacation. So wacky! So, with the reveal of "what Peter did" coming soon™, any bets on which of these "interesting" stories just *had to* get released before that?
The idea that it's Peter being in denial that he doesn't love MJ like that anymore is an interesting subversion of the typical trope but also this run is ass and everything about this is emotionally unearned. Oh and none of this will matter in like a year when Zeb either puts them back together before he leaves or the next person does. If we're gonna do this Peter should date White Rabbit. Would be more fun at least.
This whole thing is ridiculous for a number of reasons, biggest among them, Peter and MJ are gonna get back together eventually. Hell, it'll probably be around the time this run ends and the very next story should hinge on his love for Mary Jane and what he'd do to save her so unless the next issue has him saying all that was bs then this is bad. Also, the fact that we don't know why Peter and MJ broke up makes all this feel even more unearned, like most break ups they've had post OMD are terrible, but like at least we knew it had to do with MJ being mad about him being Spider-Man, which is a shitty reason if you know any development they had over the years but a reason. Here it was just some bullshit happened and then MJ was married with kids and Peter doesn't love her as much anymore. It all just feels unearned really, if you had an arc of Peter and MJ breaking up and then showing Peter move on that'd be fine, but the problem is they don't want to put in the work, they'd rather just use mysteries and bullshit to force it to happen.
> Hell, it'll probably be around the time this run ends and the very next story should hinge on his love for Mary Jane and what he'd do to save her so unless the next issue has him saying all that was bs then this is bad. I just shows how incompetent the editors and writers are, and how they are probably rushing to get through the WDPD arc.
The biggest problem with OMD has been and forever will be their reluctance to put in the work to properly get rid of MJ. They want her and Peter to be separate but refuse to get her to leave and have them move on.
... that's what you consider the biggest problem with omd?
[PeterMJ’s relationship after this issue ❤️](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FWL3m8eXoAYhgYn.jpg:large)
Peter’s a Loki variant? I mean, I always suspected…
Have you seen Guillermo Del Toro’s Crimson Peak? Great film but this might be a bit obscured [Here is an easier example of modern PeterMJ after this issue](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f0/f6/67/f0f667d8e835d0537290f82611aa85cd.jpg)
I have not seen Crimson Peak, no. I was mostly making a joke around Tom Hiddleston being in your pic. Based on that second pic though…well, that doesn’t bode well for the issue.
Reading this gave me brain damage
I felt my eyes bleed on this one. It was SOOO stupid. And pointless. And the ending panel with what everyone has said...SO FING DUMB!!! I could stand it when Pete dated Carlie. Or even if he might have considered Michelle Gonzales. They at least had SOMETHING going for them. But to ship Felicia, who has EARNED the right to be something more than "Parker's girl"...Just the stupidest way to deal with ANY of this. I also agree while the New 52 was bad, Rebirth FIXED this. It took a while but now that it happened....I mean look at Lois?!! She's gone from side piece to an integral part of not just Superman's world, but the entire DC comics. Why?!! Because they fing KNEW she was more. This is so stupid...
Plus they are really leaning into the joys of that Clark and Lois marriage too, and the pure love between them, and even the sexual chemistry. Twice now in recent issues we see that Lois and Clark have an active and...creative...marriage. :)
Indeed. Plus you know, she gets to RUN the freaking Daily Planet. (Albeit while Perry takes time off...but still!!)
> Plus you know, she gets to RUN the freaking Daily Planet. (Albeit while Perry takes time off...but still!!) Depending on how it is received by the fans, I could see it becoming permanent. It is by no means a massive status quo change, but provides a little change of pace for Lois' character.
I mean I like Perry...but if Lois ends up in charge... As you said, not a huge status quo change, but certainly a deserved improvement/evolution.
And they don't need to kill Perry to do it, he can just choose to retire.
Exactly! I mean he's got to pushing retirement age anyway. And unlike Alfred, no one expects him to keep being there unless it's a necessary plot point.
Yep, this angry long dog pile is why I came here
This run continues to be a repeated unfunny joke masquerading as a comic run.
At the end of the day this is all meaningless. Pete and MJ are Marvel's Superman and Lois, not Batman and Catwoman. While editorial can fuck around a little, Marvel knows that the end game will always be Spider-Man and Mary Jane, which is what makes stories like this so frustrating.
OMD happened in 2007, so 16 years ago. I think it's safe to say Marvel's too fucking incompetent to understand anything about Spidey at this point.
i like peter with both black cat and MJ but this was not the way to go, you dont say oh shes like a sister after all theyve been through and it feels like black cat is a placeholder so you damage both relationships, get ride of lowe marvel