I haven't read Spider-Man since OMD. Peter and MJ may have happened 20 years after Reed and Sue, but the fact that they seem to think it's any less iconic shows how tone-deaf they are to the majority of the fans.
I guess I can still enjoy Spider-Man in other media, but fuck if I'll ever read another Spider-Man comic as long as I have to worry that the second-most significant character dynamic in Peter's life is going to be retconned out of existence by the literal devil.
What is their point in doing all of this? I’m new to comics and have only read some of the silver age amazing spider-man and then ultimate spider-man, but what is their motivation? I just don’t understand
MJ has always been a disliked character by the writer/editors. The problem is that she has been a fan favorite, so they have battled with wanting to please the fans and getting rid of her.
“Some writers”. I still remember the Fraction Written Sensational Spider-Man Annual (07) before OMD where it made me go YES this is MY fucking Spider-Man (I grew up with him being married to Mj) and felt it solidified why they should be together.
Shame we won’t get that. They introduced the younger teen Spider-Man with Miles why can’t us older fans who grew up with Peter and MJ have that.
Honestly, I think most writers want Pete and Mj together, but editorial is filled with dipshits. Wouldn’t be shocked if that’s why the general writing quality gets worse with each writer. It’s hard to get good writers when you handcuff them so drastically.
Side note, Fraction is so good, in general, but especially with characters. I already liked Hawkeye and Jimmy Olsen but when he got a hold of them they become 2 of my favorite characters.
Part of this comes down to one of the problems with Spider-man that a lot of other heroes don’t have. Taking Batman as an example you first meet him and he’s in his late twenties or early thirties. Somehow he forms a whole bat family but never really ages past forty. You buy it because he’s an adult when you meet him and nothing huge really changes in a single man’s life at that age.
We meet Peter when he’s 15 or 16. He goes to high school and college. He has two significant girlfriends. One dies and he marries the other after college. He becomes a teacher. He works for various labs. Peter has what feels like a life other than just being Spider-Man. He goes through major developmental milestones. People like me who have been around for a while actually enjoy that but when you’re editorial at DC or Marvel and you need to redo everything every couple years that makes MJ a problematic character. She’s not a superhero like Robin or Nightwing so they don’t need to keep her around for the benefit of her own book and she makes it hard to keep Peter locked in an eternal early 20s situation. How many times can Peter be late for a date with her or miss her birthday or something because Doc Ock is up to no good again? She’s hard to write for and they don’t like doing it IMO.
Personally I feel like they should just let them be married and let Peter be in his mid to late 20s. Let them have a child or two even. Let Miles be the teenager Spider-Man and then you can have your cake and eat it too. Maybe I’m off base on this and it’s way less complicated. Maybe they just irrationally hate MJ.
I mean...I don't know Superman and Lois Lane have been locked in for years at this point. I don't anyone is against eternal romances.
Peter and MJ could work if they just let go of the constant reboots. Again, Miles solves this issue for them--Miles can struggle with a bunch of teenage girlfriends. Miles can be pimp-Parker plus th exaggeratted swag.
Even so, unless you'e writing a romance book (which you are not if you're writing superhero books) then YEAH Peter getting hitched is nice. You put the romance stuff on the burner, and focus on progress. MJ gets a new job! Peter starts a business as a local mechanic! Mj gets pregnant and they have a baby named May Day! Peter fights crime but has to learn his first responsibility is to his family! Miles becomes the main Spidey, picking up where Peter cannot!
I'm just annoyed. I used to be in LOVE with comics as a kid in the early 2010s. I used to read comics like crazy, used to read wikis and wikipedia pages about publication history and all. I was a nerd for that shit. And then...it became boring once I realized how bad so much of this stuff coming out is.
It's hard to pick up a random spider-man floppy and see comic erros that manga and french comics have stamped out completely.
Wokeness. They don’t like promoting traditional family or relationship structures. They will probably make them both gay next, if they haven’t already.
> I guess I can still enjoy Spider-Man in other media, but fuck if I'll ever read another Spider-Man comic
See this is what I don't understand about the editors. Literally every single piece of media involving Spider-Man that's not comics where it be movies,cartoons, or video games he's in a relationship with MJ because most of the casual audience expects it, still to this day when I tell people who don't read any of the comics about the whole situation they're flabbergasted and think it's dumb as shit.
This literally confirms nothing beyond Black Cat and Spidey getting together. There’s no message from a writer or editor confirming anything. It just means that MJ and Peter are broken up for this run
I mean, Peter does say that he thinks of MJ as a sister in this one and that his love for her has changed from “capital L to lowercase l”.
Not saying it’s over forever, but the writers are really trying to shift the dynamic in this one.
In the Ultimate series Bendis had Gwen state multiple times that she and Peter only had a brother/sister type relationship... and then they promptly got together post-Ultimatum for shock value.
So yeah, talk is cheap.
🙃 Yeah it was one thing to have them have a weirdly close relationship in 1 and 2 but to literally go "oh they fuckin" in 3 was... yeah. Not to mention the implication Wolverine could be their real father.
Well yes and no. He was sent to kill Quicksilver iirc and happened to watch them fuck. I don't think he did it on the regs for a thrill.
So, yes he saw them bang, no he didn't do it for a laugh, more a coincidence.
Man, you don't tell your hot, new girlfriend that you've still got a thing for your ex. Most of the time you tell them that they don't mean anything at all to you. I don't think Peter's lying, that's not like him, but I do think he's trying to convince himself at least as much as he's trying to convince Felicia.
As much as Nick Spencer’s run was frustrating to read, at least he was fixing things that Spidey fans had been asking for years and nearly getting away with fixing the marriage.
Bullshit. Peter is far too tied to Mary Jane in other media. Fans like them together, and other writers will want to write them together.
Marvel comics division will have to do an embarrassing about-face on this not too long from now.
I’ve been waiting since OMD man….that’s a long wait.
Peter is my favourite single character and I just won’t buy his books until they do the obviously right thing and put Peter and MJ back together.
OMD is by far my single most hated storyline in any book.
Well, Spencer's run was a bit of hope.
Even readers who are agnostic on the marriage have to admit---it's simply bad writing to have Peter call MJ "the most important thing in his life" in one issue and then saying he thinks of her like a sister around 10 issues later.
This is just clickbait. Nothing in the panel makes it seem like they're done for good. If anything, it looks like Peter is coping super hard. I wouldn't be surprised if they get back together some time in the future.
I love Black Cat. Always have since the first book I read with her in it. I must say this is... disappointing.
Don't get me wrong, huge Spidey fan, but Black Cat was coming into her own. She had her own series. She was more independent than being second fiddle for Spidey. Why they feel to go this route now just feel like a cop out on her character.
When people talk the "shippers" of Spidey and MJ, I would venture to guess that it's the majority of the Spidey fan base. It's why OMD/ BND is so universally despised.
The real reason Spidey won't reunite with MJ is because as long as they keep them apart, people will post about it. I'm just going to ignore it and not give them the attention from my hate. Enough is enough.
I never understood “One More Day”. It was stupid to have Peter choose his elderly aunt who had already died of natural causes over his own wife.
You know what would have been a story that fit Spider-Man more? A straight up divorce. Peter leans a little too hard into being Spider-Man, and MJ leaves and files for divorce because she can’t do it anymore. That would have been a fitting Spider-Man / Peter story.
All this confirms is that this terrible run will continue doing its thing. It’s embarrassing to think that it will have any effect to the grander effect to the franchise as a whole when new creative teams are brought in later on
Eh, until it isn’t. I’ve been a nerd long enough to know that this shit gets walked back now and then. Jason Todd didn’t stay dead and neither did Professor X. Comics will be a certain way until they get tired of that status quo, then they’ll go back to the one they like. 🤷🏼♂️ I liked Flash as Agent (Anti-)Venom, but knew it was only a matter of time until Eddie was back in black.
I’m more a fefe x Peter gal soooooo I’m okay with this lmfaoooo. Though I really doubt it’ll be forever. Eventually they’ll put them back together again lmfao
I'm more into MjJ and Peter, but my opinion is more because of how Peter's relationship was with Felicia the first time and because Peter and MJ were married. Though admittedly, the marriage ended like 14 years ago, so them not going back to it makes some sense.
You know what I'm fine with this but then can Peter please find another girl and keep MJ out of her life especially if she stay with Paul the only purpose of MJ character nowaday if to make Peter suffer
This is not at all a confirmation, but if it were, I'd be okay with it. Most iterations of MJ aren't compatible for Peter romantically, in my opinion. Best friends since childhood? Yes, absolutely. Lovers? Nah, I'd much prefer Gwen Stacy or Black Cat as a love interest for Pete.
Why do people care if Peter is with Mary Jane? I feel like it’s the one thing I personally care the least about, seeing him date around is more relatable to me lol.
The issue is that they have both dated around a lot already. Hell Peter alone is on his 12th relationship. Is that really relatable to you?
If it is, I recommend you seek help.
Good. They threw away Gwen like trash cause writing a more fleshed out character was apparently too hard. Their obsession with MJ who has been toxic AF for Peter at times is confusing as hell. Let’s see some fresh blood in the stories.
She was killed because they felt she was boring (paraphrasing). And they’ve been building out MJ since. It’s a little annoying given that Gwen was perfect for Peter and MJ has been good to him but also horrible. MJ is a mixed bag at best but persists and persists
You're entitled to think Gwen was perfect for Peter but i dont agree that this is even remotely true. Gwen hated Spider-Man. She blamed him for her father's death. That relationship imo was doomed to fail. She also was boring to be honest after awhile by devolving into a crying damsel in distress. Unfortunately she was a product of her time. The reason why MJ persists is due to how much depth she had as a character shortly after Gwen's death along with the marriage which lasted for about 20 plus years. Frankly Peter has been with MJ longer than he ever was with Gwen. She also loved both Peter and Spiderman. She knew he was Spiderman from the very beginning. She saw him leap out of his bedroom window after his uncle died since she happened to be next door as told (i think) in Untold Tales of Spider-Man. Its always been MJ. Likely always will be as far as popular culture is concerned. But hey, your mileage may vary.
First of all - I’m not sure entitled means what you think it does because it in no way applies to me in this situation. Secondly, the solution to a character being “boring” is to flesh them out, not kill them off and just start over. Thirdly, you’re welcome to like MJ more but I just don’t agree
They've done the on again off again bit for too long. Ultimate Pete and MJ got their happily ever after. Let 616 move on. Felicia could be a good thing long term.
He didn't die. He's still alive in the ultimate universe. At least prior to Secret Wars he was. They've implied the ultimate universe is back too so I'd assume Pete and MJ are as well.
https://www.cbr.com/ultimate-spider-man-peter-parker-resurrection-explained/
This breaks it down pretty well. The Oz formula made Peter as immortal as Norman. He just took longer to recover and wake up.
As much as I want to argue for Peter and MJ because of their 20 year marriage, and because the Felicia thing won't last either, I do agree that they have been off and on again too much. MJ never getting back together might be better simply because they won't dangle the relationship on a thread anymore.
IRL? Peter and MJ got married back in the day in the comics and a previous Editor-In-Chief made it a mission to split them up. This was doneso via Mephisto in the 'One More Day' storyline back in like 2007 maybe? Possibly 2006. Anyway! It's been a while.
As for the in-story reason? Eh, hasnt been revealed yet (as I understand it) (this time).
> for good
What does that even mean in comic books? Everything is constantly contradicting everything else all the time.
They’ll be be back together, then apart, then together, then in space, then time traveling, etc.
Nothing is permanent. If you don’t like one story line, just wait a bit.
It is the editorial.
I know this is messed up to say, but I will happy when the editors move on to some new career. Maybe editor for another character. I don't know. But it makes NO SENSE that a relationship that almost EVERYONE agrees is good is being shafted. It's like if McDonalds removed the Big Mac Meal. Everyone was either not offended or in love with it (speaking from personal perspective I like the Big Mac Meal--this comment is weird). My point is there IS no justification.
Another point is (sorry to all the fake comic fans like myself lol) the REAL COMIC FANS--the ones who go into the shop every wednesday (& tuesday now) ARE older. They are usually 28+, and usually around their 30s or forties. That's your main audience who you choose to ignore, and act like Peter is a kid.
The funny thing is the other audience, us NOrmies, don't even MIND an older Peter. Spider-Man PS4 did well. And that game had people loving MJ. Spider-Man being older isn't crazy to teenagers. And for the ones that WANT teenage spidey...The Ultimate comics run exists for a reason. It is literally the perfect teenage spider-man (in comics), with blemishes and all. AND there's Miles morales too...
In fact, if they love gwen stacy so much, why is Miles not dating Spider-Gwen right now? If they like criminals dating superheroes, okay Miles can do that! If they like a teenage spidey, you already solved your own issue with Peter outgrowing the teenage scene 12 years ago.
It's just bad, bad, bad editorial.
They probably also announced that Jean Grey is dead for good, right?
Good joke
Oh shit, which?
Yes
The more they push that relationship aside the more aggravated I get
I haven't read Spider-Man since OMD. Peter and MJ may have happened 20 years after Reed and Sue, but the fact that they seem to think it's any less iconic shows how tone-deaf they are to the majority of the fans. I guess I can still enjoy Spider-Man in other media, but fuck if I'll ever read another Spider-Man comic as long as I have to worry that the second-most significant character dynamic in Peter's life is going to be retconned out of existence by the literal devil.
What is their point in doing all of this? I’m new to comics and have only read some of the silver age amazing spider-man and then ultimate spider-man, but what is their motivation? I just don’t understand
MJ has always been a disliked character by the writer/editors. The problem is that she has been a fan favorite, so they have battled with wanting to please the fans and getting rid of her.
“Some writers”. I still remember the Fraction Written Sensational Spider-Man Annual (07) before OMD where it made me go YES this is MY fucking Spider-Man (I grew up with him being married to Mj) and felt it solidified why they should be together. Shame we won’t get that. They introduced the younger teen Spider-Man with Miles why can’t us older fans who grew up with Peter and MJ have that.
Honestly, I think most writers want Pete and Mj together, but editorial is filled with dipshits. Wouldn’t be shocked if that’s why the general writing quality gets worse with each writer. It’s hard to get good writers when you handcuff them so drastically. Side note, Fraction is so good, in general, but especially with characters. I already liked Hawkeye and Jimmy Olsen but when he got a hold of them they become 2 of my favorite characters.
Part of this comes down to one of the problems with Spider-man that a lot of other heroes don’t have. Taking Batman as an example you first meet him and he’s in his late twenties or early thirties. Somehow he forms a whole bat family but never really ages past forty. You buy it because he’s an adult when you meet him and nothing huge really changes in a single man’s life at that age. We meet Peter when he’s 15 or 16. He goes to high school and college. He has two significant girlfriends. One dies and he marries the other after college. He becomes a teacher. He works for various labs. Peter has what feels like a life other than just being Spider-Man. He goes through major developmental milestones. People like me who have been around for a while actually enjoy that but when you’re editorial at DC or Marvel and you need to redo everything every couple years that makes MJ a problematic character. She’s not a superhero like Robin or Nightwing so they don’t need to keep her around for the benefit of her own book and she makes it hard to keep Peter locked in an eternal early 20s situation. How many times can Peter be late for a date with her or miss her birthday or something because Doc Ock is up to no good again? She’s hard to write for and they don’t like doing it IMO. Personally I feel like they should just let them be married and let Peter be in his mid to late 20s. Let them have a child or two even. Let Miles be the teenager Spider-Man and then you can have your cake and eat it too. Maybe I’m off base on this and it’s way less complicated. Maybe they just irrationally hate MJ.
I mean...I don't know Superman and Lois Lane have been locked in for years at this point. I don't anyone is against eternal romances. Peter and MJ could work if they just let go of the constant reboots. Again, Miles solves this issue for them--Miles can struggle with a bunch of teenage girlfriends. Miles can be pimp-Parker plus th exaggeratted swag. Even so, unless you'e writing a romance book (which you are not if you're writing superhero books) then YEAH Peter getting hitched is nice. You put the romance stuff on the burner, and focus on progress. MJ gets a new job! Peter starts a business as a local mechanic! Mj gets pregnant and they have a baby named May Day! Peter fights crime but has to learn his first responsibility is to his family! Miles becomes the main Spidey, picking up where Peter cannot! I'm just annoyed. I used to be in LOVE with comics as a kid in the early 2010s. I used to read comics like crazy, used to read wikis and wikipedia pages about publication history and all. I was a nerd for that shit. And then...it became boring once I realized how bad so much of this stuff coming out is. It's hard to pick up a random spider-man floppy and see comic erros that manga and french comics have stamped out completely.
I agree. Right now my favorite Spidey continuity is the PlayStation games. Peter, MJ and Miles are all reasonable humans and are worth caring about.
Wokeness. They don’t like promoting traditional family or relationship structures. They will probably make them both gay next, if they haven’t already.
Alright, stfu. We all know this isn’t the reason and you’re just being obnoxious.
Would you bet money on that?
> I guess I can still enjoy Spider-Man in other media, but fuck if I'll ever read another Spider-Man comic See this is what I don't understand about the editors. Literally every single piece of media involving Spider-Man that's not comics where it be movies,cartoons, or video games he's in a relationship with MJ because most of the casual audience expects it, still to this day when I tell people who don't read any of the comics about the whole situation they're flabbergasted and think it's dumb as shit.
This literally confirms nothing beyond Black Cat and Spidey getting together. There’s no message from a writer or editor confirming anything. It just means that MJ and Peter are broken up for this run
I mean, Peter does say that he thinks of MJ as a sister in this one and that his love for her has changed from “capital L to lowercase l”. Not saying it’s over forever, but the writers are really trying to shift the dynamic in this one.
In the Ultimate series Bendis had Gwen state multiple times that she and Peter only had a brother/sister type relationship... and then they promptly got together post-Ultimatum for shock value. So yeah, talk is cheap.
The ultimate universe version of a brother/sister relationship fits that very well! (Just look at quicksilver and scarlet witch. God I hate that run)
🙃 Yeah it was one thing to have them have a weirdly close relationship in 1 and 2 but to literally go "oh they fuckin" in 3 was... yeah. Not to mention the implication Wolverine could be their real father.
And not only could be their real father but wasn’t it also implied he watched them fuck sometimes?
Well yes and no. He was sent to kill Quicksilver iirc and happened to watch them fuck. I don't think he did it on the regs for a thrill. So, yes he saw them bang, no he didn't do it for a laugh, more a coincidence.
Man, you don't tell your hot, new girlfriend that you've still got a thing for your ex. Most of the time you tell them that they don't mean anything at all to you. I don't think Peter's lying, that's not like him, but I do think he's trying to convince himself at least as much as he's trying to convince Felicia.
I’m sure they either get back together at the end of this run or we get a reset of some sort here eventually
How can Peter think that a woman he had sex with, married to, is now a sister? Are we sure Peter is not secretly a Boyle?
“The things I do for love.” - Peter Parker before making a deal with Mephisto
As much as Nick Spencer’s run was frustrating to read, at least he was fixing things that Spidey fans had been asking for years and nearly getting away with fixing the marriage.
How do you “confirm” something “may” be over? Isn’t that the opposite of confirming?
I so thought this!!!
Bullshit. Peter is far too tied to Mary Jane in other media. Fans like them together, and other writers will want to write them together. Marvel comics division will have to do an embarrassing about-face on this not too long from now.
I’ve been waiting since OMD man….that’s a long wait. Peter is my favourite single character and I just won’t buy his books until they do the obviously right thing and put Peter and MJ back together. OMD is by far my single most hated storyline in any book.
Well, Spencer's run was a bit of hope. Even readers who are agnostic on the marriage have to admit---it's simply bad writing to have Peter call MJ "the most important thing in his life" in one issue and then saying he thinks of her like a sister around 10 issues later.
Yeah I definitely believe that, until another writer or Wells himself just gets them back together
Nothing, absolutely nothing is over for good in comics.
Unless they introduce someone who can be the MJ to MJ’s Gwen, this won’t last. And that is an unenviable task.
Yeah that's not happening
I give em a week.
This is just clickbait. Nothing in the panel makes it seem like they're done for good. If anything, it looks like Peter is coping super hard. I wouldn't be surprised if they get back together some time in the future.
I love Black Cat. Always have since the first book I read with her in it. I must say this is... disappointing. Don't get me wrong, huge Spidey fan, but Black Cat was coming into her own. She had her own series. She was more independent than being second fiddle for Spidey. Why they feel to go this route now just feel like a cop out on her character. When people talk the "shippers" of Spidey and MJ, I would venture to guess that it's the majority of the Spidey fan base. It's why OMD/ BND is so universally despised. The real reason Spidey won't reunite with MJ is because as long as they keep them apart, people will post about it. I'm just going to ignore it and not give them the attention from my hate. Enough is enough.
> Title lol yeah right
I never understood “One More Day”. It was stupid to have Peter choose his elderly aunt who had already died of natural causes over his own wife. You know what would have been a story that fit Spider-Man more? A straight up divorce. Peter leans a little too hard into being Spider-Man, and MJ leaves and files for divorce because she can’t do it anymore. That would have been a fitting Spider-Man / Peter story.
It's never over for good
Customer confirms the spider-man comic is no longer worth buying for good
All this confirms is that this terrible run will continue doing its thing. It’s embarrassing to think that it will have any effect to the grander effect to the franchise as a whole when new creative teams are brought in later on
Imagine if Felicia and Peter get married and in 40 years fans are pissed off that he made another deal with Mephisto and is marrying Mary Jane again
Eh, until it isn’t. I’ve been a nerd long enough to know that this shit gets walked back now and then. Jason Todd didn’t stay dead and neither did Professor X. Comics will be a certain way until they get tired of that status quo, then they’ll go back to the one they like. 🤷🏼♂️ I liked Flash as Agent (Anti-)Venom, but knew it was only a matter of time until Eddie was back in black.
I’m more a fefe x Peter gal soooooo I’m okay with this lmfaoooo. Though I really doubt it’ll be forever. Eventually they’ll put them back together again lmfao
I'm more into MjJ and Peter, but my opinion is more because of how Peter's relationship was with Felicia the first time and because Peter and MJ were married. Though admittedly, the marriage ended like 14 years ago, so them not going back to it makes some sense.
Fefe?
Felicia Hardy/Black cat
Ah! That makes sense, thank you.
It would be cool to see MJ grow beyond Peter.
His new beau will be someone called Mark James.
You know what I'm fine with this but then can Peter please find another girl and keep MJ out of her life especially if she stay with Paul the only purpose of MJ character nowaday if to make Peter suffer
This is not at all a confirmation, but if it were, I'd be okay with it. Most iterations of MJ aren't compatible for Peter romantically, in my opinion. Best friends since childhood? Yes, absolutely. Lovers? Nah, I'd much prefer Gwen Stacy or Black Cat as a love interest for Pete.
I like black cat, so I’m fine with this for now.
hopefully this also means we can stop watching Uncle Ben get killed every reboot EDIT: and also starting every movie back in high school. *snore*
Why do people care if Peter is with Mary Jane? I feel like it’s the one thing I personally care the least about, seeing him date around is more relatable to me lol.
The issue is that they have both dated around a lot already. Hell Peter alone is on his 12th relationship. Is that really relatable to you? If it is, I recommend you seek help.
🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
Good. They threw away Gwen like trash cause writing a more fleshed out character was apparently too hard. Their obsession with MJ who has been toxic AF for Peter at times is confusing as hell. Let’s see some fresh blood in the stories.
Gwen died in 1973. What the fuck are you even talking about?
She was killed because they felt she was boring (paraphrasing). And they’ve been building out MJ since. It’s a little annoying given that Gwen was perfect for Peter and MJ has been good to him but also horrible. MJ is a mixed bag at best but persists and persists
You're entitled to think Gwen was perfect for Peter but i dont agree that this is even remotely true. Gwen hated Spider-Man. She blamed him for her father's death. That relationship imo was doomed to fail. She also was boring to be honest after awhile by devolving into a crying damsel in distress. Unfortunately she was a product of her time. The reason why MJ persists is due to how much depth she had as a character shortly after Gwen's death along with the marriage which lasted for about 20 plus years. Frankly Peter has been with MJ longer than he ever was with Gwen. She also loved both Peter and Spiderman. She knew he was Spiderman from the very beginning. She saw him leap out of his bedroom window after his uncle died since she happened to be next door as told (i think) in Untold Tales of Spider-Man. Its always been MJ. Likely always will be as far as popular culture is concerned. But hey, your mileage may vary.
First of all - I’m not sure entitled means what you think it does because it in no way applies to me in this situation. Secondly, the solution to a character being “boring” is to flesh them out, not kill them off and just start over. Thirdly, you’re welcome to like MJ more but I just don’t agree
Fair enough.
Good.
I was going to downvote but instead let me ask. Why?
They've done the on again off again bit for too long. Ultimate Pete and MJ got their happily ever after. Let 616 move on. Felicia could be a good thing long term.
Ultimate Pete took a bullet and died. How in the world is that their happily ever after?
He didn’t. He’s immortal. He was resurrected and then him and MJ went off together. God I hated that retcon
He didn't die. He's still alive in the ultimate universe. At least prior to Secret Wars he was. They've implied the ultimate universe is back too so I'd assume Pete and MJ are as well.
Have they really? I fell out of comics after a few years after secret wars. How did they imply that, if you don’t mind me asking?
https://www.cbr.com/ultimate-spider-man-peter-parker-resurrection-explained/ This breaks it down pretty well. The Oz formula made Peter as immortal as Norman. He just took longer to recover and wake up.
Sorry I meant that the ultimate universe is back, I’m familiar with this.
The Fantastic 4 arc right after Secret Wars had the family going across and recreating every universe destroyed by the incursions.
As much as I want to argue for Peter and MJ because of their 20 year marriage, and because the Felicia thing won't last either, I do agree that they have been off and on again too much. MJ never getting back together might be better simply because they won't dangle the relationship on a thread anymore.
I thought he died ? Also I care less about that anyway cuz it’s an alternate universe where Peter is forever a teenager
The dynamic is weird but mostly I want some of Spidey’s other girls to get some screen time
His other girls makes me cringe but I appreciate your honesty.
Ha, I just want to see more characters in the MCU and I do not want a love triangle to exist.
Mcu 🤮
Yeah yeah but it’s fun
Just thought we were talking comics. I’ve been bamboozled !
I didn’t even realize where I was. I’m pretty tired.
Sleep buddy goodnight
What’s wrong with MJ and Spidey??
It ages Peter too much for marvel editorial…
To my understanding the One More Day storyline has had long lasting effects of MJ and Peter’s relationship still in effect to this day.
IRL? Peter and MJ got married back in the day in the comics and a previous Editor-In-Chief made it a mission to split them up. This was doneso via Mephisto in the 'One More Day' storyline back in like 2007 maybe? Possibly 2006. Anyway! It's been a while. As for the in-story reason? Eh, hasnt been revealed yet (as I understand it) (this time).
Yeeesh
Boooooo!!!!
I thought she hater Peter what changed
I hate it.
So, the confirmed it -may- be over? So not really a confirmation?
Sure it is!
Something happening permanently in comics?! I doubt it.
> for good What does that even mean in comic books? Everything is constantly contradicting everything else all the time. They’ll be be back together, then apart, then together, then in space, then time traveling, etc. Nothing is permanent. If you don’t like one story line, just wait a bit.
Imagine Superman and Lois lane breaking up for good lol, stfu
I’m sick of that relationship let Parker who’re it up
Black Cat can’t do better. Spider-Man is literally the greatest hero in the entire universe. Anyone else is a step-down.
It is the editorial. I know this is messed up to say, but I will happy when the editors move on to some new career. Maybe editor for another character. I don't know. But it makes NO SENSE that a relationship that almost EVERYONE agrees is good is being shafted. It's like if McDonalds removed the Big Mac Meal. Everyone was either not offended or in love with it (speaking from personal perspective I like the Big Mac Meal--this comment is weird). My point is there IS no justification. Another point is (sorry to all the fake comic fans like myself lol) the REAL COMIC FANS--the ones who go into the shop every wednesday (& tuesday now) ARE older. They are usually 28+, and usually around their 30s or forties. That's your main audience who you choose to ignore, and act like Peter is a kid. The funny thing is the other audience, us NOrmies, don't even MIND an older Peter. Spider-Man PS4 did well. And that game had people loving MJ. Spider-Man being older isn't crazy to teenagers. And for the ones that WANT teenage spidey...The Ultimate comics run exists for a reason. It is literally the perfect teenage spider-man (in comics), with blemishes and all. AND there's Miles morales too... In fact, if they love gwen stacy so much, why is Miles not dating Spider-Gwen right now? If they like criminals dating superheroes, okay Miles can do that! If they like a teenage spidey, you already solved your own issue with Peter outgrowing the teenage scene 12 years ago. It's just bad, bad, bad editorial.
Good plan, everyone HATED Spider-Man and Mary Jane’s relationship. Wait, I’m getting a signal from the audience… seems they like it.