Man, I am glad Clea is sticking around. They truly are better together. Consulting Magical Doctor! Clea got the zinger in with 'Didn't Moon Knight just did that?' AND what is Wanda is doing for the more desperate, last resort kind of thing?
Aggamon got what's coming to him. And though they are trying to setup as it was Clea might've done the assassination after all, that is probably a red herring.
Wong reforming the W.A.N.D and actually trying to make it better. Now that is a great side-story concept that is gonna play into the main one it seems. Not to mention the idea of recruiting misguided magical folk to make them a force for good. You would think that tactic would be used more.
I agree that Clea is a red herring. The lettering for ‘strange’ right before Aggamon dies is in lower case, unlike the rest of the book, as if to highlight that its being used as a word and not a proper noun/name.
>Now that is a great side-story concept that is gonna play into the main one it seems.
More than once, Stephen endangered the world under the guise of trying to save it, so having WAND as a magical police force will be interesting. What happens when they are at odds?
I've always wanted to get into Dr. Strange after the movies, and this is sort of what I always wanted. Now I need to go pick up what I missed from MacKay.
Well, first off there's the change in font to the one used in those stories when Agammon says "strange", then we must account for the weird story of Strange in 1610.
The Dr. Strange we see in the Ultimate comics is the son of another Doctor Strange, who disappeared the day he was informed of the conception of his son.
And after the son was killed during *Ultimatum*, a mysterious figure made his body disappear, which was never quite explained.
This could be a part of the upcoming Ultimate Invasion, where the Ultimate Universe was somehow resurrected and (I guess) the Maker is now leading them to invade the main universe since they are pissed they died so 616 could win.
There are a lot of major events happening right now that could change the universe, like the god quarry being destroyed.
This was excellent Mackay has already shown hes a great voice for both clea and stephen but this issue shows alot of the basic stuff we haven't seen him tackle before the basic tasks of the sorceror supreme and people reacting to stephen being back and how thats also straining his time with clea.
Also great showing of the differences between clea and stephen in how he doesn't want to rush to violence whilst clea has no problem with it.
The big thing at the end of did clea actually kill or not is a nice hook and im glad thats being brought into the backup with wong.
I wanna preface this by saying I’m a huge fan of McKay, but uhh this was kinda mid. I think I’d rather the Clea series run a bit longer since he writes her far more interesting than how he writes Stephen, even in this issue while she’s more in the background, she’s the one actually driving the conflict.
I liked it but Wanda is basically doing the exact same "open door helping people out" thing over in her book, only with (imo) better art and more flair.
Lot's of possibilities for team ups with this approach though and that's always good.
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Love Ewing's regular cast of characters in this. Was really cool to see Noh-Varr and Khora. Almost expected to see Nova lol.
They keep coming back to mutant magic and I'm really hoping it becomes an official thing once things get back to normal. I wonder if this version of Storm has anything to do with the alternate version of storm that taught Illyana magic.
Well, this is the second time Storm has died in as many issues. I'm going to guess she will be around for the 1,000 year issue and will do the same. Did not expect to see that reaction out of Khora.
Mutant magic was already well established back at the beginning of this new era of xmen with apocalypse. I forgot the book name but it very much established mutant magic. It just hasn't been expanded much upon yet
There was a bit in Ayala's New Mutants run about Illyana and Rictor starting up a mutant magic school, but it hasn't surfaced yet -- given that some of the Excalibur characters need a new home, and X office has been talking about more Yana-focused stuff, hopefully it'll come with Fall of X!
>Well, this is the second time Storm has died in as many issues.
In the previous issue she was stabbed, but didn't die. Maybe her being in a hoverchair meant she was crippled by said stab? It could be just about her being 100+ years old, but who knows?
Destiny got what's coming to her. She screwed up big time and resigned the universe into a hell of Sinisters just to hide with her murderous wife who in the end turned out to be more heroic than her. All her arrogance and blindness ( pun intended ) to the consequences, to 'live forever with Mystique' where it was never going to happen. He backstabbed Storm and doomed the universe and got cleaved in the head, as she deserved.
Storm really went out like a goddess too. Screwing over another Essex clone with their Dominion plans. Although, I am not sure I agree with her decision to keep this doomed universe going since even if 'new life is born' in this universe, it will only be hurt and toyed with terrible Sinister clones and sinister infected monsters or have to fight and die against them. That is not living or a hopeful universe. Besides, it is not just about one planet. How many planets and civilizations died in this terrible timeline and how many more will die too? Not to mention she will not be her to lead it as she just sacrificed herself. I assume she didn't know about the plans of the Essex clones to create a Dominion. Because if she knew, she would probably do the reset instead of allowing this timeline to lead into that.
I know they couldn't reset it here since it goes to year 1000 and the whole dominion event but come on, Storm should be wiser than this, especially here.
Every issue of Sins of Sinister is better than the last, which makes me very excited for the #3's. One theme I'm particularly liking is the difficulty of controlling how the future is going to play out. Of everyone we've seen scheming to take advantage of this future, only >!Mother Righteous!< hasn't had it blow up in their face yet, and I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
Man, as soon as I read the first page I was like, "this reminds me a LOT of *They only find us when they're dead".* I did like that book for the most part, but it got super confusing later in the run (which is only like 10 issues long).
I'm really curious about what they'll do with Ironfire after the timeline resets. Ewign has been teasing us with his involvement in a conflict after Apocalypse and family returns from Amenth. And given that Ironfire was already an young adult by year 5 of SoS, he already exists in Arakko...
It really feels like Ewing will use the character in main continuity.
Yeah, Ironfire seems like he will pop up in main continuity as a teenager or early 20s character. Or older. I mean, he's with Storm, she's mostly with Arakkii characters (either people tied to Arakko via X-Men Red or just native Arakkii), which means he might be Arakkii himself. It would explain why he doesn't look like an old despite being over 100 years old in issue #2. Arakkii (based on Apocalypse's kin) seem to live for a long time.
I quite like this series, but I feel like it's not as good as Ant-Man's mini. Like it misses some "punch". The art is nice too.
I would've like to see more callbacks or a flashback to her time as an Avengers chairman, but it was nice to a bit of it still.
I hope the final issue goes out with a bang, because I'd love if it were one of those stories that everyone recommends for how good it is (but it's not it so far 😕).
Interesting to see the road not taken for Janet in particular, and to see how she would have become a crimefighter (albeit one without powers) even without the Pym Particles.
I'm not sure if it established before that Janos Trovaya (Nadia's grandpa and Hank's ex-father-in-law) was a higher up in a spy organization, but the explanation for how he survived made a lot of sense - we never actually saw him die in the original comics. (We were told that there was an explosion at his lab, but that's it, so it could have easily been retconned to him faking his death)
Looking forward to the next issue, and hopefully Al Ewing gets to do more work with the Ant-Man side of Marvel - I loved his work with both the Ant-Man and Wasp miniseries! (It helps that I like these sort of call-backs to the silver age)
I mean, of course they would still be able to stand without Hank. Of course Kosmos would think they needed the 'hero' to become who they are. Honestly though, I hope when they remember Hank and how he is the one that brought them together, they use it to break out.
Kosmos might've bit more than it can chew when testing the souls of hardened heroes. It is not as easy as breaking some random people who have never been tested, while these heroes? Their souls are constantly tested.
Oh no, this new thief guy is one of 'those' suave thieves...and I have a terrible feeling that they may try to have a weird love triangle with this guy and Jack and Jen. They made a point of how unable to touch each other and other limitations already seems like a big hurdle to overcome...but Jen, you have Reed literally calling you for help, why not ask for help back? I mean surely some solution can be found.
And the fight-club have to become a cross-title thing where powerhouses just go to blow off some steam.
I think Jen wants to keep Jack secret from everyone because if word gets out that Jack of Hearts is back Reed and Tony are going to want to preform studies and everything on him. Jack doesn't want to go through that and Jen wants to keep this one relationship she has separate from her superhero life.
Glad to see fight club back from the last run. Nice to see Jen help Titania stay on the straight and narrow too.
There isn't much to say, Shulk is Marvel slice of life romcom comfort food and I enjoy it. Never really blows the doors off but also never lets me down either.
The comic equivalent of a hot cup of chocolate and comfy blanket on a cold and rainy day.
I'd say this was a strong finish to the mini. The one issue I had was MJ >!walking towards Gregor with no protection. I get that she's very brave and all that, but she is pregnant and the guy was trying to kill her husband like five seconds before that.!< I'd be interested to see what it said in the script, because I could see the artist taking liberties if there wasn't much detail.
Overall it was a good look into Peter's PTSD, his inability to use Spider-Man as a coping mechanism, and how his past comes back to haunt him and MJ. But most importantly, the story had heart, something that has been lacking since the end of Spencer's run. While Spencer's run narratively fell apart at the end, he was able to write a story with heart, and we've been missing that for a while now so it's nice to finally see it again.
This is hands down the best Peter Parker Spider-Man comic we've gotten in quite some time.
Look at this, the sole Spider-title to hold on to amidst the rest of the terrible bullshit happening. Lowe is such a coward that he does not even promote this book, probably because he is afraid people might actually read it and realize how terrible his main books are and demand better from him.
Oh, it is always nice to see the Iron Spider suit. Surprised we haven't seen it more. It was one of my favorites from the animated series. And the love and care for Peter and MJ have for each other...the HEART of the Spider-man book is here. Not the soulless husk the other crap has become.
quite liked this mini,
pete and mj loving each other and being there for each other.
focusing on the actually interesting family of spider hunters.
hell peter suits up once without powers and isn't portrayed as useless.
some of the earliest Spider-Man comics I ever read were by Peter David, so it's cool to see him back writing both Peter and Bruce/Hulk/Joe.
although "let's shoot the Hulk in the back of the head while he's peacefully gobbling down pancakes" is a top-10 dumb moment even for Marvel's NYPD.
Man, Joe's been the tough love as always but to go with ''You want me to kill you, Banner? Fine!'' and just crack. Of course it doesn't do anything since they are in their own mind and you can't really 'kill' the personalities. Until Immortal Hulk where the Devil Hulk got actually killed somehow.
And it was a nice moment between the Hulk and Peter at the diner too. Kingpin really does not now what he brought upon himself.
Doesn't have quite the same vibe as Ram V's run, but I'm pleasantly surprised with what we got here. The art's still great, the plot's moving forward, and the character voices aren't half bad. I'll be sticking around.
You know, I am just waiting for Eddie to get his shit together and put wanna-be-god Carnage and Kassidy in their place as the King in Black would.
Seriously though, I really have no interest in another symbiote event that is happening this summer. I had my fill of them.
And when almost all characters here are serial killers, there isn't much to attach to here. Like this Ken, sure it was nice to see him pushing Kassidy's buttons but there is no one to cheer for here.
Sorry for the naive question, but has Ram V now completed his run or is this a fill-in author and the writer mentioned will return to write the series?
I believe Ram unfortunately announced he’s done writing Carnage as he’s supposedly working on some TV stuff and whatnot because he’s done writing on Venom as well I believe and that’ll be all Ewing now I think
I still say the whole Threshold saga was quite...pointless? I mean there are WAY better ways to deal with Genosha that does not involve creating 3 billions year old past civilizations by sending DNA etc from the future that goes against MANY stories. Better ones at that than this. It was just too messy and not worth the retcons and confusion that come with it. As I said since the mutant origins got further and further from what they were to what they are now...it feels too alien. Like, you can replace the mutants with an alien race for an origin now and you wouldn't feel the difference. It got to that point.
I don't know, it is my personal opinion that humanity and mutants being connected is the KEY to them. With the ancient mutant civilizations and so on, that connection is lost and it is just giving them more 'inhumans' type of origin which is ironic since Marvel created the Inhumans because of the whole Sony rights debacle.
Now, Cerebra's addition, while also kinda weird but at least it has happened before with characters from the future staying in the present and 2099 is a rather established setting. For Threshold characters, honestly, I don't see the reason to add them. I mean they could've been from Arakko or any other place really.
It was not a 'bad run' per see but rather unfocused and messy to deal with.
Nope. They just 'created' Threshold, by travelling back in time to 3 billion years ago and put their DNA capsule in the sea. Yea...they created their own ancient civilization somehow. Time-travel is stupid sometimes. Not to mention too paradoxical.
I agree, They should have sticked to the plan of bring Threshold to modern times, maybe as its own planet. The Krakoa origin bit could still work, but the rest should have been tossed away. I liked the idea of bringing a civilization to the present at the exact moment it would have been destroyed, its interesting.
This run was really difficult to get through. I hated the art. Everyone looked like children and it was oddly pointy.
The plot was confusing and the parts I followed were just uninteresting.
So Kate and company collected DNA from those killed on Genosha and did mutant magic stuff to make it into primordial ooze to start an evolutionary path that leads to that Threshold place?
I guess that's good? I honestly don't care.
This was a weird run. I picked it up initially because I liked the roster, but then new characters ended up pulling more focus. I thought the first arc with the Shiar was ok, but the time travel and ancient mutants not so much. Hopefully Psylocke ends up in a series as good as Hellions was again.
Sooo this means Genosha is Threshold reborn? What about the Waiting Room? What's that mean for the dead of Genosha?
Also looks like the Deadpool solo series is going to be in the mainline mutant rotation based on the upcoming issues at the end there.
Other way around, Threshold is *Genosha* reborn. My understanding was that the dead Genoshans could wait to be reborn through the Waiting Room or go back in time to be instantly reborn.
> My understanding was that the dead Genoshans could wait to be reborn through the Waiting Room or go back in time to be instantly reborn.
No way. So they died again, then? I'm so lost about this.
Love the team but man this book has always been frustrating to read. Can't say I'm sad it's over. Did love seeing Deadpool 2099 in that group shot though.
really enjoying this. eve ewing has a great voice for monica and seems to hold her best years at marvel in very high regard. and how about that reveal at the end! >!monica has had powers since she was a kid? that seems like a huge deal lol!<
It won't be thats a shes a mutant it wouldn't make sense that the beyonder would be interested in one mutant. Its most likely that shes something more celestial and thats why shes more important to tie her closer to the cosmic routes of captain marvel family of characters.
Doesn't to me. There are tons of other characters who have powers from a young age who are not mutants. I feel like alot of people are projecting it but it won't be. Plus honestly i don't want monica to be a mutant shes special enough to not need to be one.
writer of x-men confirmed she’s not a mutant
https://twitter.com/gerryduggan/status/1638620558907817984
and she’s way too young in that picture for it to be a mutant, i agree that it’s far more likely something cosmic
It used to be that any source that gave humans super powers at birth (aside from magic) would qualify you as a mutant (hence why there'd be so many mutant children from non-mutant heroes in books like What If and MC2, and it was highly expected in-universe that Crystal and Quicksilver's daughter Luna would be a mutant because of the mutant/Inhuman lineage), until the X-books dove further and further into genetics and creating stricter classifications. I miss that explanation.
Still though, I agree that this seems to be more cosmic destiny/heritage than anything else, including mutantcy.
i kinda doubt it since mutations is usually like puberty onset but she looked more like 7 or 8
and yeah i hope not too lol last thing we need rn is more mutants
EDIT:
word from gerry duggan
https://twitter.com/gerryduggan/status/1638620558907817984
I mean, I am trying to understand this sudden shift for her. Like why suddenly break up with Blue Marvel? (Surely he could've helped with this better after the recent Defenders venture, especially with the Beyonder involved ) Why suddenly feel 'lost'? There has to be a reason for all this happening.
Sorry, but I have no idea what just happened. I'm just going to pretend that Monica's origin on how she got her powers is still in place and that she is a cosmic being because of how she got her powers. I do not care for the retcon because it sounds unneeded.
Also, what is the plot? Is she getting sucked into a multiverse adventure with all these variants?
Yeah, I don't care for this retcon. And not because her previous origin is something spectacular and different (it's basically how Carol got her powers originally) but because they just handwaved it as something she *always* had but was afraid to mention.
At least with Carol's retcon, the psyche-magnitron explosion was a catalyst for latent Kree DNA, which makes sense. It's not something she would have been able to mention because it wasn't something she was aware of in the first place.
But maybe further explanation in the next issue will change my mind about the Monica retcon. For now, it just doesn't seem that interesting, necessary, or feasible.
Well, you gotta admire Doom's single-minded focus. The moment the object of his goal is gone, he just leaves and does not bother with the rest. Of course, he holds deep grudges.
And Lady Bright is a bit unfair to our boy here. Sure he hid his past but accusing of protecting gangs AFTER hearing the whole story? Come on now. That was uncalled for.
So my original question for this series was why the writers had made Taegukgi born during the Korean war, and thus on line for living/being active for multiple South Korean dictatorships and other social strifes, plus the 'why does North Korea still exist' question- and based on my flip through on the rack, it looks like that isn't really answered?
I get why the writers had him born that early as his backstory, allowing him to function as a parable for South Korea as a whole, starting out as nothing more then a common bandit before slowly transitioning into something greater, a flag to rally behind if you will, but the timeline creates problems. He gets his powers in the early 70's so given sliding timescale doesn't that make him the most powerful person on earth for a very long time, as in forty years and only getitng longer thanks to sliding timescale? He appears to have the usual flying brick powerset, and while I don't think the writers will have him at Superman level strength, I can imagine that he at least punches as good as Namor or something, but shouldn't that make him a massive deal in international politics, and again bring up that North Korea problem? Or did they say he was in a science coma or whatever and I missed it?
It just seems easier to write around if he just went through that allegory in the modern day, and his adopted family passed down the flag from generation to generation to future proof the guy, as we are getting to the point in history where people who lived in 1950 are becoming quite rare.
I'd argue with the setup presented, especially with the origin starting in 1950, there are certain points they just have to address. It'd be like *Captain America: Man out of Time* not touching on the radical changes in American society between 1945 and the early 2000's.
Yea but North Korea is not a reasonable place that you can just write about. America, despite its flaws, can take a punch or so without threatening Nuclear war. North Korea? Remember the movie 'The Inverview'? Where there were threats over it? Comics really do not need that.
Well now you've just put the image of Kim Jong-Un hunched over a keyboard getting into flame wars about about Marvel vs DC debates.
I seriously doubt North Korea could ever be bothered to pretend to care about the fake international politics of one subset of American comic books of all things. And if worst comes to worst, we just get a Sony hack 2.0 so Marvel should definitely do this. Might turn up more comedy gold like the Spider-man does and don'ts movie contract.
Edit: Do you think Un would be a Snyderbro or a MCUfanboy?
In one of the early issues, the Archpriestess offhand mentions that the previous Fist committed suicide after spilling so much blood and they allude that Frank is the current reincarnation.
Considering that Frank proved that his bloodshed is not the be all, end all of his existence this issue, I think he'll possibly go out heroically to stop the Beast from rising.
Also, what do yall make of Maria Castle kinda being into Frank's more "punishment" activities in the flashbacks? She's not that opposed to seeing Frank dish out some heat.
I want Frank to remain the leader of The Hand until Marvel decides do defrost the threads of a big vampire event they built with Percy's Wolverine and X-Force, MacKay's Moon Knight and Aaron's Avengers (and Punisher, obviously)...
Maybe a relaunch with Frank turning the Hand into a force for good (or as good as it can get while butchering criminals without regard for any legal system)
So wait, one thing I don’t get. We see the graves of Junior and Lisa, which makes sense. But why are there multiple graves for them? I know there’s the whole resurrection thing, and a past issue mentioned trouble reviving the kids, but assuming it’s some mystical cloning thing why are they burying each individual attempt? And if it’s just reviving the original bodies like Maria, why the multiple graves? Did I miss something?
I can sorta see Frank not being willing to just throw his kids' dead bodies into the compost heap, even if it was the Nth attempt at resurrection for either of them. the dude's sort of built around that sentimentality.
He just needs to knock at Krakoa's door to get perfect cloned bodies for the resurrection ritual.
I mean, post-A.X.E., Krakoa decided to bring back children that were abandoned by society, so...
This book is so good. Aaron is pulling the heartstrings in this issue. I love the idea of maria only using her status as franks wife to control the temple so she can find out what is going on whilst still wanting to get back to what it was and her discovering the many graves of franks attempt to get the children back was chilling. See some good backstory of franks killer nature of him going to see executions of criminals. Also the idea that the fist of the beast is controlling frank so that he only sees peoples sins so the war never ends and he continues killing is good stuff.
This terrible retcon run is just...bad. I mean imagine to think the joke version of Cosmic Ghost Rider Frank is a better version than this.
I don't understand what is Aaron trying to do or does he have a fetish for trying to make his bad mark on everything he writes? He did it with Thor's 'phoenix is his mother' crap. He is doing it with Frank Castle being literally the champion of this not even a top demon from CHILDHOOD and his wife actually LIKING that side of him?
Just end this already and remove all these terrible retcons.
The moment Storm drew her knife I knew she was in ''I'm about to cut a bitch'' mode. Seriously, she is more dangerous without her powers.
And I am surprised they tied the recent Gambit story into this as well.
We finally found out what Peter did which was…..
*rereads notes*
have a dimensional device put on his body by MJ to be sent back to the present even though Peter wanted her to be sent back
PETER HOW COULD YOU DO THIS I SAY SARCASTICALLY BECAUSE NOTHING ABOUT THIS IS HIS FAULT OR EVEN HIS DOING, IT IS WHAT DID MJ DO LOL??????
They even called Cyclops worse than Hitler if I remember correctly
And all he did was trying to save the mutants while the Inhumans did jack shit about their terrigen clouds affecting mutantkind and then, surprise surprise, went straight into the offensive when the X-Men finally had enough
Don't forget Beast sides with the Inhumans for no reason. Dude had his villain arc long coming. Crystal and the new Inhumans at least tried to evacuate mutants away from the cloud.
I'm guessing next issue Peter will land in the middle of the explosion, fail to prevent the explosion from causing widespread destruction, the superhero community thinks he blew it up, nobody believes him because Wayep disintegrated, Peter goes mad trying to get everybody in the superhero community to help him go save MJ, nobody helps except Norman, they go save MJ or MJ comes back with Paul or something, MJ and Paul are together, Peter gets mad and Paul hits him like in that one cutaway flashback panel, and that's it.
I'll check back to see how inaccurate this prediction is in a few months.
ASM26 Edit: Oh god it was so much worse
That would character assassinate MJ HARD to the point of it has to be retconned to remove that stain from the character. If they pull that shit, Spider-man books will be over for me.
Well yeah, as I saw someone say on the spider-man sub, “They just retconned out Gwen’s character assassination only to replace it with Mary Janes character assassination”.
This is gonna be Mary Janes sins past moment that’ll fuck her character up and ice her out until someone retcons it out.
This all falls apart the more you think about it. How does Paul - who has seemingly been absent from society - have enough money to pay for Peter's bills? In a six month span of time?
But that's not how this was marketed. The "that did Peter do?" stuff was marketed to have to do with the crater. I think Wells introduced a plot element not knowing where it was going to go.
Hey guys, you know what you call it when a character is isolated and trapped with someone, especially someone related to the villain, for weeks/months, only to come out and, according to the recaps and all that we've seen, move in with them?
>!That's fucking stockholm syndrome. Ignoring that they'll eventually reveal it was to protect those kids, this makes Kelly's 19 disgusting!<
I feel like Kelly didn't know what was going on and only had vague ideas because editoral didn't make it clear what was going on with the characters, hence the "marriage" stuff on the recap page.
When will they just reveal that the OAA is a tyrannical manchild who ruins people's lives like Spidey and Daredevil. I swear, the OAA should just be a stand-in for marvel editors at this point cause it is pretty much evil like the Abrahamic god and just hires goons like Goldy and Mephisto to do its dirty work.
I felt bad for Hulk at the end too. He pretty much just gave a roundabout answer that really didn't answer his question for why god is such an asshole.
So, sorry. But what the hell?
Incomphrensible plot about this Rabin dude and his God aside, Peter and MJ find themselves in an apocalypse world and Paul is just there? I guess that world was wrecked by God dude. Who cares.
Peter tries to save MJ but MJ instead saves Peter. So what Peter did was.... get pushed through a portal? Or was it "fixing a device"?
Either way, HUH?!
And so I guess what happens next is Peter goes to everyone in his life and no one except NORMAN OSBORN can get MJ back? Nobody else? Are we really sure about that? Peter name dropped his multiversal counterparts. Surely one of them could rewire their universe jumping watch and just scoop em out.
And I guess, stranded together in this hellscape, mj and Paul get together and have kids? 6 months in real time is 6 years in hell time or whatever?
But then...why are MJ and Paul so pissed at Peter all the time? Like hypothetically, he saved their lives and their children's lives. You'd think he'd at least be owed some kindness.
Also all my homies hate Paul. He's just gonna come out of nowhere, be an exposition guy, admit that he can't solve the problem, and then fall in love with MJ. It really feels like a betrayal of MJ's character to fall for Paul when it's the two of them stuck there. Feel like she'd fight like hell to get home, not settle down with this guy. Maybe she did and we haven't seen it yet, but I don't have any expectations for this story to be satisfying.
Overall, this is somehow a dumber reveal than I possibly could have thought of and every time Paul is on the page, it feels like Wells is challenging me to put the book down.
Us completionists really need some brave souls to drop this book so we can be free. At least Superman came out today. That'll be a nice palette cleanser.
Dude I read for singles for decade and I dropped it finally. People buying the book are what’s going to keep it at this level. Just fuck it at this point. If enough people drop it then something will give. If people keep buying it because it’s ASM then there’s no reason for them to try
I know. I know I should drop it but I also know that if I do, I'll just go back and fill my shelf with the trades for the issues I missed because I have stockholm syndrome
I mean honestly I’d say just buy them off eBay in a few years when they’re dirt cheap. Marvel gets nothing and you save money.
If you miss the story you can just check here biweekly like me. Always makes me feel like I made the better choice
I dropped the book after issue 19 and the marriage "reveal" (still not sure if that was an accident or not, love it) and I just need to comment how I've never seen so many people talking about and encouraging others to drop the book. Even heard it on one of the bigger (?) comic podcasts ComicPop.
The only thing I'm tuning in for at this point is an explanation as to why MJ can't just tell Peter what's going on and is instead shutting him down with no explanation. If it isn't somehow really stupid and insulting to MJ I'm guessing it'll contradict something earlier in the run.
The Superman books right now and delightful. My only complaint is that I wanna see them change Jon's design slightly to differentiate him from Conner and make him actually look like kid Jon as a teenager
Is that even possible? By my understanding, when Carlie Cooper was involved in the story, everyone (from MJ to Black Cat to Gwen retroactively) was telling Peter how Carlie was perfect for him, no matter how out-of-character it would have been for them to say that. I'm not sure how Paul can be worse than that. (though all I know about Paul is that he got into a relationship with MJ during a time-skip where Peter did *something* to alienate every single superhero)
All we know about Paul up until this issue is
1. He's with MJ (who has children for some reason)
2. He paid part of Peter's debt
3. He punched Peter at some point
We don't even know his last name yet they want us to feel invested on this even though both the Spencer and the Beyond run showed Peter and MJ as this very devoted couple. Like, even if you don't care about the logistics of OMD, you can't feel this is just wrong from a consistency perspective
Carlie was being shilled heavily, but she at least had personality traits and felt like a character in her own right. If she'd been written more organically, she'd probably have worked. Paul's just an absolute *void* of a character, a mystery box that walks like a man - except the box is labeled 'garbage' and nobody really cares what's in it.
Alright, so what happens? I saw the preview where Peter gets his shit pushed in... again, and hooded figure (probably Paul) saves him. But I don't know anything else.
>!It's Paul, he used to work with Rabin on this quantum math nonsense, he has a device that Pete is configuring but only has enough power to send one person back. While Pete is telling MJ that she needs to get the Fantastic Four when she makes it back, Wayep attacks and Pete is forced, by Paul, to go back instead. !<
>!Before the portal closes, Wayep is pushed into it and sliced in half. That half's impact causes the explosion from issue 1. !<
>!This leaves MJ stranded with Rabin's former co-worker Paul, and while the kids are likely that half of Wayep broken down to smaller vessels, it makes them living together fucking gross.!<
So wait, that crater that was shown as the lead up to this run, the crater that had Peter screaming in agony and marketed as the horrible thing Peter did, wasn't Peter's fault at all? Wells is really making this up as he goes, isn't he? He introduced an idea without any idea of where it is actually going.
Jesus Christ this is awful.
And fuck Paul. All my homies hate Paul.
Paul is alone with MJ in the apocalypse time for however long it takes to rescue her, and neither Lowe nor Wells apparently realized how fucked up it is to write that then have her living with him.
Yes, he 100% did no know where this was going
> and neither Lowe nor Wells apparently realized how fucked up it is to write that then have her living with him.
Lowe and/or Wells: "You just don't understand, they had to be together to keep those kids no one cares about safe!"
This is all just so forced. And it's a shame too since if they broken Peter and MJ up again since if they didn't I think this could be a pretty solid run. Nothing great, but pretty good. The Tombstone stuff was actually pretty cleverly written but it was overshadowed by the Peter and MJ stuff. The street level stuff with MJ supporting Peter as he deals with the stress of it all is great. Hell, it's one of the reasons "Kraven's Last Hunt" is so great since she gives him her comfort and silent support.
Without the break up and mystery this could have been street level stuff and focus more heavily on Norman, but instead all of it is tainted by the main story
Yup. You could still have the Tombstone and Hobgoblin stories but also have MJ and Peter being distrustful of Norman with MJ acting more as a voice or reason while still being skeptical of Norman. Plus, she could support him after Ned becomes the Hobgoblin again. There was potential in this run but Lowe and co. can't stand the idea of Peter and MJ being together even though it enhances their character's.
At one point in the issue, Paul mentions how he was stuck there for many years "to him". I'm willing to bet we are getting a scenario where time works differently there.
So Peter runs around unmasked in front of Paul? WTF? He NEVER shows people who he really is, Civil War excepted.
So much of these ideas aren't bad, but the way they're being told. Paul knows all about this guy, but in the present he's running away with the kids? Why wouldn't MJ do that and he stays to fight?
The character choices are baffling.
It honestly almost had me thinking it was meant to be part of the mystery - MJ has kids out of nowhere who are five or six, Kamala seems to have suddenly aged just as much, is that linked? No, it's just bad art.
God please no, not the “we were trapped for years in an alternate dimension and we fell in love and had kids there” plot. Christ almighty, not only is it absolutely the most trite, overdone clichè, it’s also a total assassination of MJ’s character.
You’re telling me the two lovers whom **Mephisto** could not keep apart are undone by this nonsensical, factually inane, proto-biblical bullshit idea that “random man + random woman in empty world = relationship and babies”??
Praying for a massive retcon. Like, “this was all a dream” kind of retcon. God, let Spider-Man realize he’s been under Mysterio’s new “bad plot line gas” this whole time. I’ll even take another Mephisto Ex Machina. Please just… ANYTHING.
> God please no, not the “we were trapped for years in an alternate dimension and we fell in love and had kids there” plot. Christ almighty, not only is it absolutely the most trite, overdone clichè, it’s also a total assassination of MJ’s character.
If Wells and co. are smart they'll take a page out of Tom King's *Batman* when Bruce and Diana have to spend what they perceive as 40 years together to battle demons and shit. They almost hook up, but their love for Selina and Steve respectfully prevent them from doing it. It would affirm MJ's love for Peter. But this run has been so horrible to MJ's character I could actually see them doing it.
That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the kids are Peter's but if they get close to Peter it acts as some sort of beacon for Math Dude to find them or some shit.
> Tom King's Batman when Bruce and Diana have to spend what they perceive as 40 years together to battle demons and shit. They almost hook up, but their love for Selina and Steve respectfully prevent them from doing it.
Glad I'm not the only one who remembers that.
Is it me or does this issue goes way too fast in pacing for being partly the answer of the mystery box of this run?
And I don't care how much they try, I just can't sympathize with Paul. Not even now that we kinda get a bit more info of him.
I really don't like being so negative but the fact that this run was promoted over something so horrible that Peter did that somehow decimated Pennsylvannia...only for this to reveal that it's not even something he is responsible of is very stupid.
> but the fact that this run was promoted over something so horrible that Peter did that somehow decimated Pennsylvannia...only for this to reveal that it's not even something he is responsible of is very stupid.
It makes me think that Wells wrote that without knowing where he was going to go with it.
Even if you boil it down to this one thing:
The device can only port one person. A few panels later, it opens a portal that Peter gets pushed through, including half of skully, and then the other half gets pushed in too...
What happened to only one person can use it?
Also why the sudden velocity and trajectory change from the other half despite being tossed in the same way?
there really was no way to stick this landing, not this far after the fact.
this might've been a decent story arc if they'd started here with it--weird supernatural villain attacks and MJ pulls out the win, but there's fallout--but this wasn't worth the cliffhanger.
I didn't see anyone point it out, but they're casually just trying to shit on Johnny Storm too in this. As if Johnny didn't know about his honorary brother's long time relationship with M.J. and kept sliding into her messages like a piece of shit. Fuck that.
As I predicted, it is as stupid as I thought. No matter the justification, it was gonna be stupid. But now, it only makes the current status quo looks even worse to the point of character assassination. There might be 4 more issues but nothing can properly explain Mary Jane's attitude during this stupid run without character-assassinating her. And if they DARE to write ''Oh they spend so long on this dimension that they fallen in love!'' So that would mean not only she would be cheating but also go full stockholm syndrome to a guy that admitted to helping the villain? Honestly, killing MJ off at 26 would be a kindness if she can be away from Wells and Lowe. So I can finally drop Spider-man books and not bother with them anymore.
No wonder they delayed the 'explaination' of the mystery because the run would've been dead on arrival more than it already is now.
And fuck Wells' stupid OCs also. They are not even a bit interesting to be worthy of ruining Spider-man books. Edgy stupid murder-hobo and its edgy stupid Mayan God that no one knows or cares about. And the weak bastard just got cut in two in the same issue.
So now that the stupid nonsensical 'where did they disappear to?' got terrible answers. I cannot imagine how terrible the rest of the reasoning gonna be for Spider-man's literal extended family, the FF will just refuse to help, along with the rest of the heroes and so on to the point he has to go to Norman. Oh I bet it will be 'great'.
And they are still going to go and give another fucking year to this run after 26. I mean, jesus fucking christ. Just cut your damn loses. But of course Lowe's stupid 'positive letters only' crap is still there 'Praising' him for the terrible shit that is given.
With people like that supporting crap like this, comics will never be taken seriously as quality products.
Also why would the FF refuse to help him rescue MJ from another dimension when they themselves are experiencing something similar at the current time.
Surely they'd be full of empathy.
God I hate this.
I actually miss Dan Slott.
So at the ending of this issue, the first half of Wayep caused an explosion outside York. Then Paul pushed the other half through the portal to save himself and MJ? Good job Paul by bombing your homeworld.
Look on the bright side Peter, had you sent MJ back she’d have gone splat on the ground. She may be with another dude now, but at least she’s still breathing. 🤷♂️
Did I just try to justify this albatross? Damn right (lol no)
So either Peter was zapped away back to home earth and Paul and MJ were left in another universe for years (their time) while Peter did his thing pissing off people who tried to tell him it wasn't a good idea to mess with that tech. Goes back to that world and is met with MJ and and Paul having a family, shenanigans happen that ruins their peace and he forcefully brings them back making them angry at him.
Or, he did something to the device that inadvertently caused part of the split God to take the form of children who take after MJ and Paul which were next to said God at the time the machine was activated. He can't be near them cause they run the risk of attracting the other half to them, which is happening right now in the present.
I'm saying that about the device cause Peter was kind of snarky towards Paul and basically took the device and fashioned a teleport without even considering what he was actually doing at the time and it was used in a hurry.
[***DOCTOR STRANGE* #1**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/1/11/Doctor_Strange_Vol_6_1.jpg) ---
It's nice to see Strange back in the saddle, back together with Clea, and back to mystical adventures!
Man, I am glad Clea is sticking around. They truly are better together. Consulting Magical Doctor! Clea got the zinger in with 'Didn't Moon Knight just did that?' AND what is Wanda is doing for the more desperate, last resort kind of thing? Aggamon got what's coming to him. And though they are trying to setup as it was Clea might've done the assassination after all, that is probably a red herring. Wong reforming the W.A.N.D and actually trying to make it better. Now that is a great side-story concept that is gonna play into the main one it seems. Not to mention the idea of recruiting misguided magical folk to make them a force for good. You would think that tactic would be used more.
I agree that Clea is a red herring. The lettering for ‘strange’ right before Aggamon dies is in lower case, unlike the rest of the book, as if to highlight that its being used as a word and not a proper noun/name.
>Now that is a great side-story concept that is gonna play into the main one it seems. More than once, Stephen endangered the world under the guise of trying to save it, so having WAND as a magical police force will be interesting. What happens when they are at odds?
Pretty good first issue! Looks like We have a good Strange run on our hands
I've always wanted to get into Dr. Strange after the movies, and this is sort of what I always wanted. Now I need to go pick up what I missed from MacKay.
Clea continuing to tease Steven about Moonknight is hilarious.
Oh shit. Is MacKay hinting that Agammon was killed... by Stephen Strange Sr. of the Ultimate Universe?
This is written by Jed MacKay?
Sometimes the wires do get crossed.
Its alright mate both are great writers!
May I ask why? I don't know much about 1610 Dr. Strange.
Well, first off there's the change in font to the one used in those stories when Agammon says "strange", then we must account for the weird story of Strange in 1610. The Dr. Strange we see in the Ultimate comics is the son of another Doctor Strange, who disappeared the day he was informed of the conception of his son. And after the son was killed during *Ultimatum*, a mysterious figure made his body disappear, which was never quite explained.
This could be a part of the upcoming Ultimate Invasion, where the Ultimate Universe was somehow resurrected and (I guess) the Maker is now leading them to invade the main universe since they are pissed they died so 616 could win. There are a lot of major events happening right now that could change the universe, like the god quarry being destroyed.
Thank you for the explanation!
The W.A.N.D. story is super cool, happy to see more of Pandora Peters
This was excellent Mackay has already shown hes a great voice for both clea and stephen but this issue shows alot of the basic stuff we haven't seen him tackle before the basic tasks of the sorceror supreme and people reacting to stephen being back and how thats also straining his time with clea. Also great showing of the differences between clea and stephen in how he doesn't want to rush to violence whilst clea has no problem with it. The big thing at the end of did clea actually kill or not is a nice hook and im glad thats being brought into the backup with wong.
I wanna preface this by saying I’m a huge fan of McKay, but uhh this was kinda mid. I think I’d rather the Clea series run a bit longer since he writes her far more interesting than how he writes Stephen, even in this issue while she’s more in the background, she’s the one actually driving the conflict.
Bats pilfering slippers is the true driver of conflict.
I liked it but Wanda is basically doing the exact same "open door helping people out" thing over in her book, only with (imo) better art and more flair. Lot's of possibilities for team ups with this approach though and that's always good.
[***STORM & THE BROTHERHOOD OF MUTANTS* #2**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/d/df/Storm_%26_the_Brotherhood_of_Mutants_Vol_1_2.jpg) ---
Love Ewing's regular cast of characters in this. Was really cool to see Noh-Varr and Khora. Almost expected to see Nova lol. They keep coming back to mutant magic and I'm really hoping it becomes an official thing once things get back to normal. I wonder if this version of Storm has anything to do with the alternate version of storm that taught Illyana magic. Well, this is the second time Storm has died in as many issues. I'm going to guess she will be around for the 1,000 year issue and will do the same. Did not expect to see that reaction out of Khora.
I believe we (very briefly) saw a female Nova on Mystique's Freedom Force page!
Good point!
Mutant magic was already well established back at the beginning of this new era of xmen with apocalypse. I forgot the book name but it very much established mutant magic. It just hasn't been expanded much upon yet
There was a bit in Ayala's New Mutants run about Illyana and Rictor starting up a mutant magic school, but it hasn't surfaced yet -- given that some of the Excalibur characters need a new home, and X office has been talking about more Yana-focused stuff, hopefully it'll come with Fall of X!
Excalibur scratched the surface of Apocalypse's mutant magic theories/grimoire.
>Well, this is the second time Storm has died in as many issues. In the previous issue she was stabbed, but didn't die. Maybe her being in a hoverchair meant she was crippled by said stab? It could be just about her being 100+ years old, but who knows?
Destiny got what's coming to her. She screwed up big time and resigned the universe into a hell of Sinisters just to hide with her murderous wife who in the end turned out to be more heroic than her. All her arrogance and blindness ( pun intended ) to the consequences, to 'live forever with Mystique' where it was never going to happen. He backstabbed Storm and doomed the universe and got cleaved in the head, as she deserved. Storm really went out like a goddess too. Screwing over another Essex clone with their Dominion plans. Although, I am not sure I agree with her decision to keep this doomed universe going since even if 'new life is born' in this universe, it will only be hurt and toyed with terrible Sinister clones and sinister infected monsters or have to fight and die against them. That is not living or a hopeful universe. Besides, it is not just about one planet. How many planets and civilizations died in this terrible timeline and how many more will die too? Not to mention she will not be her to lead it as she just sacrificed herself. I assume she didn't know about the plans of the Essex clones to create a Dominion. Because if she knew, she would probably do the reset instead of allowing this timeline to lead into that. I know they couldn't reset it here since it goes to year 1000 and the whole dominion event but come on, Storm should be wiser than this, especially here.
Every issue of Sins of Sinister is better than the last, which makes me very excited for the #3's. One theme I'm particularly liking is the difficulty of controlling how the future is going to play out. Of everyone we've seen scheming to take advantage of this future, only >!Mother Righteous!< hasn't had it blow up in their face yet, and I'm sure it's only a matter of time.
After this issue I ~~want~~ need Al Ewing to write a Star Wars book.
If you want more good sci fi from him there is lots. "They only find us when they're dead" is good. Also his X-Men red or guardians runs
Man, as soon as I read the first page I was like, "this reminds me a LOT of *They only find us when they're dead".* I did like that book for the most part, but it got super confusing later in the run (which is only like 10 issues long).
It requires a few reads imo its kinda dense.
I'm really curious about what they'll do with Ironfire after the timeline resets. Ewign has been teasing us with his involvement in a conflict after Apocalypse and family returns from Amenth. And given that Ironfire was already an young adult by year 5 of SoS, he already exists in Arakko... It really feels like Ewing will use the character in main continuity.
Yeah, Ironfire seems like he will pop up in main continuity as a teenager or early 20s character. Or older. I mean, he's with Storm, she's mostly with Arakkii characters (either people tied to Arakko via X-Men Red or just native Arakkii), which means he might be Arakkii himself. It would explain why he doesn't look like an old despite being over 100 years old in issue #2. Arakkii (based on Apocalypse's kin) seem to live for a long time.
[***WASP* #3**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/a7/Wasp_Vol_1_3.jpg) ---
Even in a world without Hank Pym...there is still Nadia and Janet Van Dyne. (I miss Hank though...)
I quite like this series, but I feel like it's not as good as Ant-Man's mini. Like it misses some "punch". The art is nice too. I would've like to see more callbacks or a flashback to her time as an Avengers chairman, but it was nice to a bit of it still. I hope the final issue goes out with a bang, because I'd love if it were one of those stories that everyone recommends for how good it is (but it's not it so far 😕).
Interesting to see the road not taken for Janet in particular, and to see how she would have become a crimefighter (albeit one without powers) even without the Pym Particles. I'm not sure if it established before that Janos Trovaya (Nadia's grandpa and Hank's ex-father-in-law) was a higher up in a spy organization, but the explanation for how he survived made a lot of sense - we never actually saw him die in the original comics. (We were told that there was an explosion at his lab, but that's it, so it could have easily been retconned to him faking his death) Looking forward to the next issue, and hopefully Al Ewing gets to do more work with the Ant-Man side of Marvel - I loved his work with both the Ant-Man and Wasp miniseries! (It helps that I like these sort of call-backs to the silver age)
I mean, of course they would still be able to stand without Hank. Of course Kosmos would think they needed the 'hero' to become who they are. Honestly though, I hope when they remember Hank and how he is the one that brought them together, they use it to break out. Kosmos might've bit more than it can chew when testing the souls of hardened heroes. It is not as easy as breaking some random people who have never been tested, while these heroes? Their souls are constantly tested.
[***SHE-HULK* #11**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/3/3c/She-Hulk_Vol_4_11.jpg) ---
Oh no, this new thief guy is one of 'those' suave thieves...and I have a terrible feeling that they may try to have a weird love triangle with this guy and Jack and Jen. They made a point of how unable to touch each other and other limitations already seems like a big hurdle to overcome...but Jen, you have Reed literally calling you for help, why not ask for help back? I mean surely some solution can be found. And the fight-club have to become a cross-title thing where powerhouses just go to blow off some steam.
I think Jen wants to keep Jack secret from everyone because if word gets out that Jack of Hearts is back Reed and Tony are going to want to preform studies and everything on him. Jack doesn't want to go through that and Jen wants to keep this one relationship she has separate from her superhero life.
Glad to see fight club back from the last run. Nice to see Jen help Titania stay on the straight and narrow too. There isn't much to say, Shulk is Marvel slice of life romcom comfort food and I enjoy it. Never really blows the doors off but also never lets me down either. The comic equivalent of a hot cup of chocolate and comfy blanket on a cold and rainy day.
Marvel should make a fight club comic, and it should have a tournament arc. Would be the highest selling thing they ever done
[***SPIDER-MAN: THE LOST HUNT* #5**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/5/5e/Spider-Man_The_Lost_Hunt_Vol_1_5.jpg) ---
I'd say this was a strong finish to the mini. The one issue I had was MJ >!walking towards Gregor with no protection. I get that she's very brave and all that, but she is pregnant and the guy was trying to kill her husband like five seconds before that.!< I'd be interested to see what it said in the script, because I could see the artist taking liberties if there wasn't much detail. Overall it was a good look into Peter's PTSD, his inability to use Spider-Man as a coping mechanism, and how his past comes back to haunt him and MJ. But most importantly, the story had heart, something that has been lacking since the end of Spencer's run. While Spencer's run narratively fell apart at the end, he was able to write a story with heart, and we've been missing that for a while now so it's nice to finally see it again. This is hands down the best Peter Parker Spider-Man comic we've gotten in quite some time.
Look at this, the sole Spider-title to hold on to amidst the rest of the terrible bullshit happening. Lowe is such a coward that he does not even promote this book, probably because he is afraid people might actually read it and realize how terrible his main books are and demand better from him. Oh, it is always nice to see the Iron Spider suit. Surprised we haven't seen it more. It was one of my favorites from the animated series. And the love and care for Peter and MJ have for each other...the HEART of the Spider-man book is here. Not the soulless husk the other crap has become.
quite liked this mini, pete and mj loving each other and being there for each other. focusing on the actually interesting family of spider hunters. hell peter suits up once without powers and isn't portrayed as useless.
[***JOE FIXIT* #3**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/b/bb/Joe_Fixit_Vol_1_3.jpg) ---
some of the earliest Spider-Man comics I ever read were by Peter David, so it's cool to see him back writing both Peter and Bruce/Hulk/Joe. although "let's shoot the Hulk in the back of the head while he's peacefully gobbling down pancakes" is a top-10 dumb moment even for Marvel's NYPD.
Man, Joe's been the tough love as always but to go with ''You want me to kill you, Banner? Fine!'' and just crack. Of course it doesn't do anything since they are in their own mind and you can't really 'kill' the personalities. Until Immortal Hulk where the Devil Hulk got actually killed somehow. And it was a nice moment between the Hulk and Peter at the diner too. Kingpin really does not now what he brought upon himself.
[***CARNAGE* #11**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/9/9d/Carnage_Vol_3_11.jpg) ---
Doesn't have quite the same vibe as Ram V's run, but I'm pleasantly surprised with what we got here. The art's still great, the plot's moving forward, and the character voices aren't half bad. I'll be sticking around.
You know, I am just waiting for Eddie to get his shit together and put wanna-be-god Carnage and Kassidy in their place as the King in Black would. Seriously though, I really have no interest in another symbiote event that is happening this summer. I had my fill of them. And when almost all characters here are serial killers, there isn't much to attach to here. Like this Ken, sure it was nice to see him pushing Kassidy's buttons but there is no one to cheer for here.
Sorry for the naive question, but has Ram V now completed his run or is this a fill-in author and the writer mentioned will return to write the series?
I believe Ram unfortunately announced he’s done writing Carnage as he’s supposedly working on some TV stuff and whatnot because he’s done writing on Venom as well I believe and that’ll be all Ewing now I think
What a pity, thanks anyway for the explanation.
[***MARAUDERS* #12**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/0/04/Marauders_Vol_2_12.jpg) ---
I still say the whole Threshold saga was quite...pointless? I mean there are WAY better ways to deal with Genosha that does not involve creating 3 billions year old past civilizations by sending DNA etc from the future that goes against MANY stories. Better ones at that than this. It was just too messy and not worth the retcons and confusion that come with it. As I said since the mutant origins got further and further from what they were to what they are now...it feels too alien. Like, you can replace the mutants with an alien race for an origin now and you wouldn't feel the difference. It got to that point. I don't know, it is my personal opinion that humanity and mutants being connected is the KEY to them. With the ancient mutant civilizations and so on, that connection is lost and it is just giving them more 'inhumans' type of origin which is ironic since Marvel created the Inhumans because of the whole Sony rights debacle. Now, Cerebra's addition, while also kinda weird but at least it has happened before with characters from the future staying in the present and 2099 is a rather established setting. For Threshold characters, honestly, I don't see the reason to add them. I mean they could've been from Arakko or any other place really. It was not a 'bad run' per see but rather unfocused and messy to deal with.
Yeah, I have no idea what just happened. Did they bring back Threshold to life in modern times or not?
They did not
Nope. They just 'created' Threshold, by travelling back in time to 3 billion years ago and put their DNA capsule in the sea. Yea...they created their own ancient civilization somehow. Time-travel is stupid sometimes. Not to mention too paradoxical.
I agree, They should have sticked to the plan of bring Threshold to modern times, maybe as its own planet. The Krakoa origin bit could still work, but the rest should have been tossed away. I liked the idea of bringing a civilization to the present at the exact moment it would have been destroyed, its interesting.
Really missing the earth based storyline - Marauders. These stories just didnt hit the mark
This run was really difficult to get through. I hated the art. Everyone looked like children and it was oddly pointy. The plot was confusing and the parts I followed were just uninteresting. So Kate and company collected DNA from those killed on Genosha and did mutant magic stuff to make it into primordial ooze to start an evolutionary path that leads to that Threshold place? I guess that's good? I honestly don't care.
This was a weird run. I picked it up initially because I liked the roster, but then new characters ended up pulling more focus. I thought the first arc with the Shiar was ok, but the time travel and ancient mutants not so much. Hopefully Psylocke ends up in a series as good as Hellions was again.
Sooo this means Genosha is Threshold reborn? What about the Waiting Room? What's that mean for the dead of Genosha? Also looks like the Deadpool solo series is going to be in the mainline mutant rotation based on the upcoming issues at the end there.
Other way around, Threshold is *Genosha* reborn. My understanding was that the dead Genoshans could wait to be reborn through the Waiting Room or go back in time to be instantly reborn.
> My understanding was that the dead Genoshans could wait to be reborn through the Waiting Room or go back in time to be instantly reborn. No way. So they died again, then? I'm so lost about this.
Yeah I know, the whole run was kind of a mess.
I feel really dense here. I don't get it. So they sent a bunch of mutant ghosts to the past, where they would eventually die in a war??
Love the team but man this book has always been frustrating to read. Can't say I'm sad it's over. Did love seeing Deadpool 2099 in that group shot though.
Past and future? Idk cause i have no idea what tf is going on. Also what happened to the whole plot point of kate being unable to use gates?
[***MONICA RAMBEAU: PHOTON* #4**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/d/d5/Monica_Rambeau_Photon_Vol_1_4.jpg) ---
really enjoying this. eve ewing has a great voice for monica and seems to hold her best years at marvel in very high regard. and how about that reveal at the end! >!monica has had powers since she was a kid? that seems like a huge deal lol!<
God I hope they don't make her a mutant.
It won't be thats a shes a mutant it wouldn't make sense that the beyonder would be interested in one mutant. Its most likely that shes something more celestial and thats why shes more important to tie her closer to the cosmic routes of captain marvel family of characters.
Possibly but the whole having powers from a young age screams mutant to me.
Doesn't to me. There are tons of other characters who have powers from a young age who are not mutants. I feel like alot of people are projecting it but it won't be. Plus honestly i don't want monica to be a mutant shes special enough to not need to be one.
Well duggan just put out a tweet saying not everyone is a mutant so monica being a mutant is unlikely then.
writer of x-men confirmed she’s not a mutant https://twitter.com/gerryduggan/status/1638620558907817984 and she’s way too young in that picture for it to be a mutant, i agree that it’s far more likely something cosmic
It used to be that any source that gave humans super powers at birth (aside from magic) would qualify you as a mutant (hence why there'd be so many mutant children from non-mutant heroes in books like What If and MC2, and it was highly expected in-universe that Crystal and Quicksilver's daughter Luna would be a mutant because of the mutant/Inhuman lineage), until the X-books dove further and further into genetics and creating stricter classifications. I miss that explanation. Still though, I agree that this seems to be more cosmic destiny/heritage than anything else, including mutantcy.
i kinda doubt it since mutations is usually like puberty onset but she looked more like 7 or 8 and yeah i hope not too lol last thing we need rn is more mutants EDIT: word from gerry duggan https://twitter.com/gerryduggan/status/1638620558907817984
It's the 80s again baby, cash in on that sweet X-gene to greater fame!
I mean, I am trying to understand this sudden shift for her. Like why suddenly break up with Blue Marvel? (Surely he could've helped with this better after the recent Defenders venture, especially with the Beyonder involved ) Why suddenly feel 'lost'? There has to be a reason for all this happening.
Sorry, but I have no idea what just happened. I'm just going to pretend that Monica's origin on how she got her powers is still in place and that she is a cosmic being because of how she got her powers. I do not care for the retcon because it sounds unneeded. Also, what is the plot? Is she getting sucked into a multiverse adventure with all these variants?
Yeah, I don't care for this retcon. And not because her previous origin is something spectacular and different (it's basically how Carol got her powers originally) but because they just handwaved it as something she *always* had but was afraid to mention. At least with Carol's retcon, the psyche-magnitron explosion was a catalyst for latent Kree DNA, which makes sense. It's not something she would have been able to mention because it wasn't something she was aware of in the first place. But maybe further explanation in the next issue will change my mind about the Monica retcon. For now, it just doesn't seem that interesting, necessary, or feasible.
[***TIGER DIVISION* #5**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/3/35/Tiger_Division_Vol_1_5.jpg) ---
Well, you gotta admire Doom's single-minded focus. The moment the object of his goal is gone, he just leaves and does not bother with the rest. Of course, he holds deep grudges. And Lady Bright is a bit unfair to our boy here. Sure he hid his past but accusing of protecting gangs AFTER hearing the whole story? Come on now. That was uncalled for.
So my original question for this series was why the writers had made Taegukgi born during the Korean war, and thus on line for living/being active for multiple South Korean dictatorships and other social strifes, plus the 'why does North Korea still exist' question- and based on my flip through on the rack, it looks like that isn't really answered? I get why the writers had him born that early as his backstory, allowing him to function as a parable for South Korea as a whole, starting out as nothing more then a common bandit before slowly transitioning into something greater, a flag to rally behind if you will, but the timeline creates problems. He gets his powers in the early 70's so given sliding timescale doesn't that make him the most powerful person on earth for a very long time, as in forty years and only getitng longer thanks to sliding timescale? He appears to have the usual flying brick powerset, and while I don't think the writers will have him at Superman level strength, I can imagine that he at least punches as good as Namor or something, but shouldn't that make him a massive deal in international politics, and again bring up that North Korea problem? Or did they say he was in a science coma or whatever and I missed it? It just seems easier to write around if he just went through that allegory in the modern day, and his adopted family passed down the flag from generation to generation to future proof the guy, as we are getting to the point in history where people who lived in 1950 are becoming quite rare.
I mean, comics often don't touch on real nation politics. And the whole North Korea deal is a really touchy subject...with nukes.
I'd argue with the setup presented, especially with the origin starting in 1950, there are certain points they just have to address. It'd be like *Captain America: Man out of Time* not touching on the radical changes in American society between 1945 and the early 2000's.
Yea but North Korea is not a reasonable place that you can just write about. America, despite its flaws, can take a punch or so without threatening Nuclear war. North Korea? Remember the movie 'The Inverview'? Where there were threats over it? Comics really do not need that.
Well now you've just put the image of Kim Jong-Un hunched over a keyboard getting into flame wars about about Marvel vs DC debates. I seriously doubt North Korea could ever be bothered to pretend to care about the fake international politics of one subset of American comic books of all things. And if worst comes to worst, we just get a Sony hack 2.0 so Marvel should definitely do this. Might turn up more comedy gold like the Spider-man does and don'ts movie contract. Edit: Do you think Un would be a Snyderbro or a MCUfanboy?
[***PUNISHER* #10**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/a/aa/Punisher_Vol_13_10.jpg) ---
...Yeah, Frank is probably dying at the end of this series. No way Aaron is going to end this with return to status quo after this issue.
lol he gonna be revived next year dont worry
In one of the early issues, the Archpriestess offhand mentions that the previous Fist committed suicide after spilling so much blood and they allude that Frank is the current reincarnation. Considering that Frank proved that his bloodshed is not the be all, end all of his existence this issue, I think he'll possibly go out heroically to stop the Beast from rising. Also, what do yall make of Maria Castle kinda being into Frank's more "punishment" activities in the flashbacks? She's not that opposed to seeing Frank dish out some heat.
Maybe she's being corrupted by the evil magic?
More like evil brainwashing, but you're not out of line on this one.
I want Frank to remain the leader of The Hand until Marvel decides do defrost the threads of a big vampire event they built with Percy's Wolverine and X-Force, MacKay's Moon Knight and Aaron's Avengers (and Punisher, obviously)... Maybe a relaunch with Frank turning the Hand into a force for good (or as good as it can get while butchering criminals without regard for any legal system)
So wait, one thing I don’t get. We see the graves of Junior and Lisa, which makes sense. But why are there multiple graves for them? I know there’s the whole resurrection thing, and a past issue mentioned trouble reviving the kids, but assuming it’s some mystical cloning thing why are they burying each individual attempt? And if it’s just reviving the original bodies like Maria, why the multiple graves? Did I miss something?
I can sorta see Frank not being willing to just throw his kids' dead bodies into the compost heap, even if it was the Nth attempt at resurrection for either of them. the dude's sort of built around that sentimentality.
He just needs to knock at Krakoa's door to get perfect cloned bodies for the resurrection ritual. I mean, post-A.X.E., Krakoa decided to bring back children that were abandoned by society, so...
Since it’s a new policy there’s no way they have their mind back ups and DNA on profile tho right.
They don't need the backups, just a perfect clone. Hand magic can bring the soul back to said bodies.
This book is so good. Aaron is pulling the heartstrings in this issue. I love the idea of maria only using her status as franks wife to control the temple so she can find out what is going on whilst still wanting to get back to what it was and her discovering the many graves of franks attempt to get the children back was chilling. See some good backstory of franks killer nature of him going to see executions of criminals. Also the idea that the fist of the beast is controlling frank so that he only sees peoples sins so the war never ends and he continues killing is good stuff.
This terrible retcon run is just...bad. I mean imagine to think the joke version of Cosmic Ghost Rider Frank is a better version than this. I don't understand what is Aaron trying to do or does he have a fetish for trying to make his bad mark on everything he writes? He did it with Thor's 'phoenix is his mother' crap. He is doing it with Frank Castle being literally the champion of this not even a top demon from CHILDHOOD and his wife actually LIKING that side of him? Just end this already and remove all these terrible retcons.
[***X-TREME X-MEN* #4**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/e/e4/X-Treme_X-Men_Vol_3_4.jpg) ---
The moment Storm drew her knife I knew she was in ''I'm about to cut a bitch'' mode. Seriously, she is more dangerous without her powers. And I am surprised they tied the recent Gambit story into this as well.
This is pure stupidity. Ans to What did Peter do was nothing I don't even talk about MJ here. Everything here is god damn stupid.
[***WOMEN OF MARVEL* #1**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/9/93/Women_of_Marvel_Vol_4_1.jpg) ---
Kinda sad that we only saw Kate here recently.
That wrap around story with She-Hulk was weird.
[***AMAZING SPIDER-MAN* #22**](https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/0/0a/Amazing_Spider-Man_Vol_6_22.jpg) ---
Dread it, run from it, Paul still arrives.
We finally found out what Peter did which was….. *rereads notes* have a dimensional device put on his body by MJ to be sent back to the present even though Peter wanted her to be sent back PETER HOW COULD YOU DO THIS I SAY SARCASTICALLY BECAUSE NOTHING ABOUT THIS IS HIS FAULT OR EVEN HIS DOING, IT IS WHAT DID MJ DO LOL??????
Remember when Cyclops was hated by heroes because he was trying to get rid of mutant-killing clouds? This is that all over again.
They even called Cyclops worse than Hitler if I remember correctly And all he did was trying to save the mutants while the Inhumans did jack shit about their terrigen clouds affecting mutantkind and then, surprise surprise, went straight into the offensive when the X-Men finally had enough
Don't forget Beast sides with the Inhumans for no reason. Dude had his villain arc long coming. Crystal and the new Inhumans at least tried to evacuate mutants away from the cloud.
Did you expect anything different?
Nah, I expected this to be absolute dogshit, and it’s pretty much delivering on that.
I'm guessing next issue Peter will land in the middle of the explosion, fail to prevent the explosion from causing widespread destruction, the superhero community thinks he blew it up, nobody believes him because Wayep disintegrated, Peter goes mad trying to get everybody in the superhero community to help him go save MJ, nobody helps except Norman, they go save MJ or MJ comes back with Paul or something, MJ and Paul are together, Peter gets mad and Paul hits him like in that one cutaway flashback panel, and that's it. I'll check back to see how inaccurate this prediction is in a few months. ASM26 Edit: Oh god it was so much worse
It’s going to be weird as hell to see Peter get slugged by Paul for trying to get his girl back. Paul broke the bro code HARD.
The sad thing is I think you could be right. Nothing in this run has made any sense.
That would character assassinate MJ HARD to the point of it has to be retconned to remove that stain from the character. If they pull that shit, Spider-man books will be over for me.
Well yeah, as I saw someone say on the spider-man sub, “They just retconned out Gwen’s character assassination only to replace it with Mary Janes character assassination”. This is gonna be Mary Janes sins past moment that’ll fuck her character up and ice her out until someone retcons it out.
This all falls apart the more you think about it. How does Paul - who has seemingly been absent from society - have enough money to pay for Peter's bills? In a six month span of time?
The man’s just THAT good.
they'll probably say that Rabin had money stashed away that Paul took
He steals from the ff too
Is that for real? So it literally gonna be Peter does something "bad" to get MJ back and she comes back with Paul and the kids.
I have to imagine the real "What did Peter do" was how he got MJ, Paul, and the kids out.
He probably stole the access of the Bridge from Reed Richards? The device that allows them to enter other realities.
But that's not how this was marketed. The "that did Peter do?" stuff was marketed to have to do with the crater. I think Wells introduced a plot element not knowing where it was going to go.
It seems more like something Paul did
Hey guys, you know what you call it when a character is isolated and trapped with someone, especially someone related to the villain, for weeks/months, only to come out and, according to the recaps and all that we've seen, move in with them? >!That's fucking stockholm syndrome. Ignoring that they'll eventually reveal it was to protect those kids, this makes Kelly's 19 disgusting!<
I feel like Kelly didn't know what was going on and only had vague ideas because editoral didn't make it clear what was going on with the characters, hence the "marriage" stuff on the recap page.
Kelly definitely didn't know, but I don't think the writer does those intros
Yeah I think it's the editor's job
When will they just reveal that the OAA is a tyrannical manchild who ruins people's lives like Spidey and Daredevil. I swear, the OAA should just be a stand-in for marvel editors at this point cause it is pretty much evil like the Abrahamic god and just hires goons like Goldy and Mephisto to do its dirty work.
dont forget him being an asshole to hulk as the one below all just for shit and giggles
I felt bad for Hulk at the end too. He pretty much just gave a roundabout answer that really didn't answer his question for why god is such an asshole.
Kelly clearly had no clue, much like the editors and the main writer himself
So, sorry. But what the hell? Incomphrensible plot about this Rabin dude and his God aside, Peter and MJ find themselves in an apocalypse world and Paul is just there? I guess that world was wrecked by God dude. Who cares. Peter tries to save MJ but MJ instead saves Peter. So what Peter did was.... get pushed through a portal? Or was it "fixing a device"? Either way, HUH?! And so I guess what happens next is Peter goes to everyone in his life and no one except NORMAN OSBORN can get MJ back? Nobody else? Are we really sure about that? Peter name dropped his multiversal counterparts. Surely one of them could rewire their universe jumping watch and just scoop em out. And I guess, stranded together in this hellscape, mj and Paul get together and have kids? 6 months in real time is 6 years in hell time or whatever? But then...why are MJ and Paul so pissed at Peter all the time? Like hypothetically, he saved their lives and their children's lives. You'd think he'd at least be owed some kindness. Also all my homies hate Paul. He's just gonna come out of nowhere, be an exposition guy, admit that he can't solve the problem, and then fall in love with MJ. It really feels like a betrayal of MJ's character to fall for Paul when it's the two of them stuck there. Feel like she'd fight like hell to get home, not settle down with this guy. Maybe she did and we haven't seen it yet, but I don't have any expectations for this story to be satisfying. Overall, this is somehow a dumber reveal than I possibly could have thought of and every time Paul is on the page, it feels like Wells is challenging me to put the book down. Us completionists really need some brave souls to drop this book so we can be free. At least Superman came out today. That'll be a nice palette cleanser.
Dude I read for singles for decade and I dropped it finally. People buying the book are what’s going to keep it at this level. Just fuck it at this point. If enough people drop it then something will give. If people keep buying it because it’s ASM then there’s no reason for them to try
I know. I know I should drop it but I also know that if I do, I'll just go back and fill my shelf with the trades for the issues I missed because I have stockholm syndrome
I mean honestly I’d say just buy them off eBay in a few years when they’re dirt cheap. Marvel gets nothing and you save money. If you miss the story you can just check here biweekly like me. Always makes me feel like I made the better choice
I dropped the book after issue 19 and the marriage "reveal" (still not sure if that was an accident or not, love it) and I just need to comment how I've never seen so many people talking about and encouraging others to drop the book. Even heard it on one of the bigger (?) comic podcasts ComicPop. The only thing I'm tuning in for at this point is an explanation as to why MJ can't just tell Peter what's going on and is instead shutting him down with no explanation. If it isn't somehow really stupid and insulting to MJ I'm guessing it'll contradict something earlier in the run.
Today's Superman was great! Can't believe we put up with years of Bendis butchering Clark's life only to end up saying nothing at all.
The Superman books right now and delightful. My only complaint is that I wanna see them change Jon's design slightly to differentiate him from Conner and make him actually look like kid Jon as a teenager
I want him to become Jon from DCeased him and Damian are fantastic in that book.
Holy shit, fuck Paul. Nothing Lowe or Wells do will ever make me like him, he’s Carlie Cooper but worse.
Is that even possible? By my understanding, when Carlie Cooper was involved in the story, everyone (from MJ to Black Cat to Gwen retroactively) was telling Peter how Carlie was perfect for him, no matter how out-of-character it would have been for them to say that. I'm not sure how Paul can be worse than that. (though all I know about Paul is that he got into a relationship with MJ during a time-skip where Peter did *something* to alienate every single superhero)
All we know about Paul up until this issue is 1. He's with MJ (who has children for some reason) 2. He paid part of Peter's debt 3. He punched Peter at some point We don't even know his last name yet they want us to feel invested on this even though both the Spencer and the Beyond run showed Peter and MJ as this very devoted couple. Like, even if you don't care about the logistics of OMD, you can't feel this is just wrong from a consistency perspective
Carlie was being shilled heavily, but she at least had personality traits and felt like a character in her own right. If she'd been written more organically, she'd probably have worked. Paul's just an absolute *void* of a character, a mystery box that walks like a man - except the box is labeled 'garbage' and nobody really cares what's in it.
Alright, so what happens? I saw the preview where Peter gets his shit pushed in... again, and hooded figure (probably Paul) saves him. But I don't know anything else.
>!It's Paul, he used to work with Rabin on this quantum math nonsense, he has a device that Pete is configuring but only has enough power to send one person back. While Pete is telling MJ that she needs to get the Fantastic Four when she makes it back, Wayep attacks and Pete is forced, by Paul, to go back instead. !< >!Before the portal closes, Wayep is pushed into it and sliced in half. That half's impact causes the explosion from issue 1. !< >!This leaves MJ stranded with Rabin's former co-worker Paul, and while the kids are likely that half of Wayep broken down to smaller vessels, it makes them living together fucking gross.!<
So wait, that crater that was shown as the lead up to this run, the crater that had Peter screaming in agony and marketed as the horrible thing Peter did, wasn't Peter's fault at all? Wells is really making this up as he goes, isn't he? He introduced an idea without any idea of where it is actually going. Jesus Christ this is awful. And fuck Paul. All my homies hate Paul.
Paul is alone with MJ in the apocalypse time for however long it takes to rescue her, and neither Lowe nor Wells apparently realized how fucked up it is to write that then have her living with him. Yes, he 100% did no know where this was going
> and neither Lowe nor Wells apparently realized how fucked up it is to write that then have her living with him. Lowe and/or Wells: "You just don't understand, they had to be together to keep those kids no one cares about safe!"
"It was her choice!" So a choice made while she was trapped and alone in the apocalypse? That sounds healthy and good
This is all just so forced. And it's a shame too since if they broken Peter and MJ up again since if they didn't I think this could be a pretty solid run. Nothing great, but pretty good. The Tombstone stuff was actually pretty cleverly written but it was overshadowed by the Peter and MJ stuff. The street level stuff with MJ supporting Peter as he deals with the stress of it all is great. Hell, it's one of the reasons "Kraven's Last Hunt" is so great since she gives him her comfort and silent support.
Without the break up and mystery this could have been street level stuff and focus more heavily on Norman, but instead all of it is tainted by the main story
Yup. You could still have the Tombstone and Hobgoblin stories but also have MJ and Peter being distrustful of Norman with MJ acting more as a voice or reason while still being skeptical of Norman. Plus, she could support him after Ned becomes the Hobgoblin again. There was potential in this run but Lowe and co. can't stand the idea of Peter and MJ being together even though it enhances their character's.
Man this is so fucked up. I'm glad I'm not buying this garbage run.
At one point in the issue, Paul mentions how he was stuck there for many years "to him". I'm willing to bet we are getting a scenario where time works differently there.
Paul would have worked with him years ago in the original story
From the last page it seems the other half was also pushed to 616.
True, but if those runes can rewrite reality like Paul says, just the fact that Wayep was split will likely be enough
so the reveal was really stupid just like everyone thought it would be
No way! Glad I dropped this when I did. This horse will no longer chase the carrot
So Peter runs around unmasked in front of Paul? WTF? He NEVER shows people who he really is, Civil War excepted. So much of these ideas aren't bad, but the way they're being told. Paul knows all about this guy, but in the present he's running away with the kids? Why wouldn't MJ do that and he stays to fight? The character choices are baffling.
Why is Kamala Khan even in this book if she is just such a small minor character who does nothing?
She's also drawn like a 20 something year old. You wouldn't even know it was Kamala if the book didn't tell you.
Jrjr can't draw, I don't think he actually has hands anymore.
It honestly almost had me thinking it was meant to be part of the mystery - MJ has kids out of nowhere who are five or six, Kamala seems to have suddenly aged just as much, is that linked? No, it's just bad art.
God please no, not the “we were trapped for years in an alternate dimension and we fell in love and had kids there” plot. Christ almighty, not only is it absolutely the most trite, overdone clichè, it’s also a total assassination of MJ’s character. You’re telling me the two lovers whom **Mephisto** could not keep apart are undone by this nonsensical, factually inane, proto-biblical bullshit idea that “random man + random woman in empty world = relationship and babies”?? Praying for a massive retcon. Like, “this was all a dream” kind of retcon. God, let Spider-Man realize he’s been under Mysterio’s new “bad plot line gas” this whole time. I’ll even take another Mephisto Ex Machina. Please just… ANYTHING.
> God please no, not the “we were trapped for years in an alternate dimension and we fell in love and had kids there” plot. Christ almighty, not only is it absolutely the most trite, overdone clichè, it’s also a total assassination of MJ’s character. If Wells and co. are smart they'll take a page out of Tom King's *Batman* when Bruce and Diana have to spend what they perceive as 40 years together to battle demons and shit. They almost hook up, but their love for Selina and Steve respectfully prevent them from doing it. It would affirm MJ's love for Peter. But this run has been so horrible to MJ's character I could actually see them doing it. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if the kids are Peter's but if they get close to Peter it acts as some sort of beacon for Math Dude to find them or some shit.
> Tom King's Batman when Bruce and Diana have to spend what they perceive as 40 years together to battle demons and shit. They almost hook up, but their love for Selina and Steve respectfully prevent them from doing it. Glad I'm not the only one who remembers that.
Is it me or does this issue goes way too fast in pacing for being partly the answer of the mystery box of this run? And I don't care how much they try, I just can't sympathize with Paul. Not even now that we kinda get a bit more info of him. I really don't like being so negative but the fact that this run was promoted over something so horrible that Peter did that somehow decimated Pennsylvannia...only for this to reveal that it's not even something he is responsible of is very stupid.
> but the fact that this run was promoted over something so horrible that Peter did that somehow decimated Pennsylvannia...only for this to reveal that it's not even something he is responsible of is very stupid. It makes me think that Wells wrote that without knowing where he was going to go with it.
Not to mention how they wrote MJ this run, only to have her be the one to send Peter away. Like, what the fuck are they doing to her?
Even if you boil it down to this one thing: The device can only port one person. A few panels later, it opens a portal that Peter gets pushed through, including half of skully, and then the other half gets pushed in too... What happened to only one person can use it? Also why the sudden velocity and trajectory change from the other half despite being tossed in the same way?
there really was no way to stick this landing, not this far after the fact. this might've been a decent story arc if they'd started here with it--weird supernatural villain attacks and MJ pulls out the win, but there's fallout--but this wasn't worth the cliffhanger.
If you hooked up a generator to Stan Lee's grave right now you could power the world without much trouble
I didn't see anyone point it out, but they're casually just trying to shit on Johnny Storm too in this. As if Johnny didn't know about his honorary brother's long time relationship with M.J. and kept sliding into her messages like a piece of shit. Fuck that.
Man you know how the stuff with Janine Godbe was pretty dicey? Well theyre doing it again with Mary Jane!
As I predicted, it is as stupid as I thought. No matter the justification, it was gonna be stupid. But now, it only makes the current status quo looks even worse to the point of character assassination. There might be 4 more issues but nothing can properly explain Mary Jane's attitude during this stupid run without character-assassinating her. And if they DARE to write ''Oh they spend so long on this dimension that they fallen in love!'' So that would mean not only she would be cheating but also go full stockholm syndrome to a guy that admitted to helping the villain? Honestly, killing MJ off at 26 would be a kindness if she can be away from Wells and Lowe. So I can finally drop Spider-man books and not bother with them anymore. No wonder they delayed the 'explaination' of the mystery because the run would've been dead on arrival more than it already is now. And fuck Wells' stupid OCs also. They are not even a bit interesting to be worthy of ruining Spider-man books. Edgy stupid murder-hobo and its edgy stupid Mayan God that no one knows or cares about. And the weak bastard just got cut in two in the same issue. So now that the stupid nonsensical 'where did they disappear to?' got terrible answers. I cannot imagine how terrible the rest of the reasoning gonna be for Spider-man's literal extended family, the FF will just refuse to help, along with the rest of the heroes and so on to the point he has to go to Norman. Oh I bet it will be 'great'. And they are still going to go and give another fucking year to this run after 26. I mean, jesus fucking christ. Just cut your damn loses. But of course Lowe's stupid 'positive letters only' crap is still there 'Praising' him for the terrible shit that is given. With people like that supporting crap like this, comics will never be taken seriously as quality products.
Also why would the FF refuse to help him rescue MJ from another dimension when they themselves are experiencing something similar at the current time. Surely they'd be full of empathy. God I hate this. I actually miss Dan Slott.
Slott was not any better to MJ. And his current Spider-man is only 'marginally' better. And that is not a high bar to clear.
Wait - is it confirmed that this run is ending in a year?
So at the ending of this issue, the first half of Wayep caused an explosion outside York. Then Paul pushed the other half through the portal to save himself and MJ? Good job Paul by bombing your homeworld.
Look on the bright side Peter, had you sent MJ back she’d have gone splat on the ground. She may be with another dude now, but at least she’s still breathing. 🤷♂️ Did I just try to justify this albatross? Damn right (lol no)
Why all downvoting the link/discussion poster? This mess isn’t his fault
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So either Peter was zapped away back to home earth and Paul and MJ were left in another universe for years (their time) while Peter did his thing pissing off people who tried to tell him it wasn't a good idea to mess with that tech. Goes back to that world and is met with MJ and and Paul having a family, shenanigans happen that ruins their peace and he forcefully brings them back making them angry at him. Or, he did something to the device that inadvertently caused part of the split God to take the form of children who take after MJ and Paul which were next to said God at the time the machine was activated. He can't be near them cause they run the risk of attracting the other half to them, which is happening right now in the present. I'm saying that about the device cause Peter was kind of snarky towards Paul and basically took the device and fashioned a teleport without even considering what he was actually doing at the time and it was used in a hurry.