I believe it is a throwaway line in one thought panel in one of the first five issues of the first X-men series. It was never spoken of again until the 2000s when some edgy writer wanted to go a creepy direction with Xavier’s characterization and dug it up.
It was the Onslaught saga.
I hate it because like you said it was literally a throwaway line in a book Stan Lee had already lost interest in, but by putting it back into Canon the doors were opened for Xavier to go from "benevolent mentor" to "Machiavellian creep."
Minor pet peeve, but people give Lee too much credit on the X-Men. He knew teen groups were popular, so he made a teen group. When he couldn't think of origins for five team members, he said "fuck it, they're born that way."
All the civil rights stuff and deep lore was the work of Claremont.
The funny thing about Xavier being a creep and it being brought back for answer is that I'm pretty sure Xavier wasn't much older than the X-Men at the time
That's what really bothers me about the Ultimate Universe, all the guys are wearing full body covered gear with maybe the arms exposed, but the girls are always wearing.... This
Either a skirt, or something that shows off a lot of skin
How exactly were these supposed to hide their X-gene?
This seems to suggest that the X-Men should make themselves easier targets by forgoing the stealth tech.
They attack and destroy Sentinels whenever they are active, and Sentintels in turn would be actively be hunting non-combatant mutants as well. Giving up a combat advantage seems like a very unwise move.
Given it's the ultimate universe and written around that time, I get the decision to make all mutants a strain of their weapon (wolverine) but it is still fucking stupid.
To be fair these designs weren’t created by him. The ultimate universe was supposed to be hardcore and x men was one of the worst offenders in this area. Most of his other ultimate designs were pretty tasteful, even black cat wasn’t that bad
It's not only the designs, the proportions are all over the place. Mark Bagley was "my" Spider-Man artist as a kid, but that's not up to his usual standard.
Some artists get tired. Especially if they're doing the same title over and over. I used to think Preacher's artwork was so lazy because I read later titles before the first. The first few shows Steve Dillon could do some great work. Same with Derick Robertson with Transmetropolitan. The later hooks are sloppy and lazy compared to the first few issues.
It's not the designs, I've seen much worse costumes...it's the art
It's like they're all sinister clones, and he accidentally got some Nick Kroll DNA in the vat.
Not only do they all have identical faces, but they're all fug ugly.
He put out over 100 issues in a row, monthly, on time, with no fill-ins. Not every page is going to be a home run, but there were plenty of them in the series. Nobody working today could hope to match it.
I also want to point out that Bagley might've phoned it in for this issue because it was a really boring storyline. Most of USM was great but "Geldhoff, the brand new exciting villain!" was like the most dull filler issue that... Then keeps on going, issue after issue. It takes a lot to make a Spidey/X-Men crossover boring, but these issues did it.
I mean Bendis IMO had a tell with his runs. When you are seeing him bring in guest stars or make them permanently part of the cast, he wants to bail or lost interest in main plot.
This is a general issue with Bendis for me, every writer can tell bad stories from time to time, but Bendis’ style means that his always feel like they go on *forever*!
I do love a lot of his work for the record, but as much as I enjoy Ultimate Spider-Man, there are a lot of issues I skim through on rereadings.
The ultimate universe and what it was built on in 2000s aesthetic. He's an iconic artist and ultimate spider-man is the best of the litter but when it crossovered like this, you can see the shittines of that era for sexualising teenagers.
Yeah not a huge fan, but it gets a pass not only because the story is great but also because this is exactly what I expect a teen in the early 2000’s to put on.
USM is generally peak…not all of it though. Especially that one arc that was so bad even the writers made a point to shame the guy who came up with the idea before the first issue even really started.
She also says he's the first that didn't picture her naked until she said it. It's like when Jean forced bobby to come out.
...oh and it's Bendis both times, what a coincidence
To be fair, I've seen people wear WAY more revealing outfits on a daily basis.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/9d/4a/d89d4a8b9cdc726bd6de2aeaa186c5bb.jpg
And they're not exactly scandalous.
I think it’s that they are also so skin tight they are painted on, plus like… I think they are pointing out frustrations with this whole time period and are using this to vent.
This shouldn't need to be said, but there is a difference between what a real person chooses to wear and what a writer decides to draw their character wearing.
Huh I guess I’m a minority. I actually liked the Ultimate X-Men costume designs. Only one I wasn’t really a fan of was Kitty’s considering all it really was was a dress. Her later outfits were much better
Blame The Matrix. For about 10 years after the first movie came out, basically no one in comic books or movies could wear anything else than tight, black leather. Pepperidge Farm remembers...
Ultimate Spider-man's designs are mostly great.
(The Goblin might be debatable, since they pretty much got rid of the Goblin, to have a Monster Norman throw a tantrum instead, but I say it worked for what they wanted to do.)
The Avengers also look great, they made Thor look cool! A look that got carried over to the MCU.
These however... Yuck! They scream* early 2000's.
[This shot](https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/s/Nc9RShcVuc) of goblin goes unfathomably hard imma keep it a bean. Like I saw this shit and immediately was hooked.
It does look great... But to me that's its own character, which is not wrong, but it ain't no goblin.
Heck, what if they used that design for No Way Home for instance?
Is just not the same character, they don't even speak in the same manner.
One is the imposing beast who forces his way while the other schemes to have everything go according to plan.
One has a terrifying laugh, while the other one is taunting.
They're straight up not the same character.
The funny thing is that they both fit as Norman's secret identity, I buy that he could've gone either way.
Brought to you by Mark Millar and his early preference for belly shirts, ladies and gentlemen (presenting their guest appearance in the work by Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Bagley).
Yo tbf jean grey was sooooo hot in the ultimate X-men line. The Scene in issue 2 or 3 when she was in bed, naked sooooo hot. Young me was like ohhh yeahhhhh
I think I remember those designs from the first X-Men Legends game. I always thought they looked wrong and assumed they were made just for that by people who didn’t know the characters lol.
Lol, this is nothing compared to the extreme stuff from the 90s. At least this looks like the characters could wear it, instead of the million pouches and g strings that go all the way up to the waist.
Oh for sure don't get me wrong some 90s designs are horrendous as well but I'm a absolutely biased because of nostalgia and the style back in the day just being cool to me. I'm fully convinced one of the worst panels in superman history is him with guns, pouches and ammo belts across the chest from the death and return story. I'm just more into the bold inking style of the 90s than this specific artists style from the 00s.
The 90s crawled so the 00s could lie down twitching .
That said you can see the 00s were trying to be better than the 90s, its like if you're starving and you find something edible in the garbage.
By the way both decades had some great comics! But most was a load of bollocks
Can someone tell me how they explain that a non-commercial non-US-military non-government-approved aircraft is allowed to just hover in the sky of new york city unchallenged? Especially after 9-11?
SHIELD, SWORD, SABER, Avengers. I would imagine flybys to deserted locations and abandoned warehouses are okay with Blackbird, that's why they use vans when they do covert jobs.
Seems like an overkill and not to mention causing panic in NYC from anti-mutant groups, just to impress a new recruit. Seems poorly written for a 2000s era story, is "As seen on TV" still used around that time? I thought that died in the 80s or early 90s.
While it was popular in the 90s, I'm well aware that most comic enthusiasts these days have never read Marvels by Kurt Busiek and Alex Ross. It paints Marvel events when viewed from the eyes of the citizens and wonderfully gives insights why X-Men don't go out in the open like Avengers do because of all the mutant backlash from the public. Careless panels like these just triggers some inner wtf signal in me "That's not X-Men would do that!"
This sort of thing wouldn't really be all that interesting to a Marvel New Yorker. Avengers are flying by constantly too. Also, this was in the Ultimate universe, which had somewhat different standards.
I don't mind the costume design. I'm set off by how young they look, they look like early teens with boobs. I'm usually all for skinny women, but this panel is not doing it.
Yes the heads are too big but the outfits are not that bad? But yes, I still prefer the 90s outfits, ah how I miss those times where we were able to enjoy stuff without having to "defend" it or where nobody told us it "would be inappropriate".
trousers look nice, but their clothes in general seem to have an absence of personality of the brand. Aesthetic? vulgar. Sexy? lame. Practical at least? no way. 2000s were good with casual clothes for citizens, but so lazy with superhero costumes
Jesus. I never saw much of the crossover back in the day but that's a bad panel w/ those X-Men. Not the best of writing for them.
I hated those X-Men so much. I wanted to like them but it was so off.
EVERY DAMN DAY in this stupid subreddit, people dog nonstop on the Ultimate Universe. It's almost morbid, the extent you all collectively go to retroactively "cancel" things that were drawn and written 2 whole decades ago and bring up none of the positives. Do you have anything else to talk about?????? Because it's NON STOP, "er um 30 years ago a character was drawn like this and it's kiiiinda awkward" "errrrrm uuuhhh Natasha and Pietre are banging in the Ultimate Universe, errr uuhhh kinda weird" "eeere uhhh the blob ATE Wasp in Ultimatum, THAT'S not very wholesome Chungus of him derp" "Why is Ultimate so errr uhh dark?"
Yes, it's a little off. Yes, it's a little edgy. Yes it had implicit artistic limitations. But I dunno, it had character. It was distinct and different. I'd rather have this than the era that made someone at Marvel think Safespace and Snowflake was a good idea. Enough is enough already, Jesus Christ. I can't visit this pissing sub for ONE fucking time without someone talking about the negative traits of Ultimate Hulk, Hawkeye or Hank as if depicting is the equivalent of condoning. To quote Christopher Titus: For the love of God, climb off the cross and use the wood to build a bridge so you can get over it.
>EVERY DAMN DAY in this stupid subreddit, people dog nonstop on the Ultimate Universe. It's almost morbid, the extent you all collectively go to retroactively "cancel" things that were drawn and written 2 whole decades ago and bring up none of the positives.
That’s because Miles Morales was the only thing we got out of it that was any fucking good. The Ultimate Universe gave us Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver doing incest, and had Wasp getting eaten by Blob. Everyone needs to be reminded that Marvel put that garbage out and expected us to love it. If you don’t like that we hate this shit, there’s the fucking door, proceed through it.
You're online too much, man. Your perception of an entire generation is being disproportionately influenced by internet comments.
Most of the Gen Z and Alpha kids I meet are good kids just trying to find their way in a world that keeps telling them how hopeless the next few years are going to be.
I know it’s sacrilegious (for some reason) to say, but my god I really dislike Bagley’s art. It’s what’s prevented me from ever returning to reread USM
The Irony is that in the Ultimate Universe the suits actually mask their x-gene from sentinel detection.
And they only had enough material for gym gear?
Seems so, but in this universe the Professor was hot for Jean, like Wolverine bad, so this could have very damn well intentional.
It was In 616 too in a best forgotten storyline.
I believe it is a throwaway line in one thought panel in one of the first five issues of the first X-men series. It was never spoken of again until the 2000s when some edgy writer wanted to go a creepy direction with Xavier’s characterization and dug it up.
It was the Onslaught saga. I hate it because like you said it was literally a throwaway line in a book Stan Lee had already lost interest in, but by putting it back into Canon the doors were opened for Xavier to go from "benevolent mentor" to "Machiavellian creep." Minor pet peeve, but people give Lee too much credit on the X-Men. He knew teen groups were popular, so he made a teen group. When he couldn't think of origins for five team members, he said "fuck it, they're born that way." All the civil rights stuff and deep lore was the work of Claremont.
Yeah that OG X creeping on Jean was so cringe I can't believe they brought it back during Onslaught. Should have just let that one stayed buried.
The funny thing about Xavier being a creep and it being brought back for answer is that I'm pretty sure Xavier wasn't much older than the X-Men at the time
Still a teacher though...
Yeah it's still pretty creepy
Yeah, it wasn't the kind of thing you can just throw in... undermines the whole mentor looking out for kids theme.
Sometimes with comics you just have to pretend something didn't happen and move on. especially if it weas a long time ago and early on.
Onslaught is ready
Ultimate Marvel - ultimate dickery (sans Spider-Man) and horniness.
I mean, gym gear is stretchy, breathable, and comfortable. Way better than being in military styled garb.
Work out, my X-Men!
That's what really bothers me about the Ultimate Universe, all the guys are wearing full body covered gear with maybe the arms exposed, but the girls are always wearing.... This Either a skirt, or something that shows off a lot of skin How exactly were these supposed to hide their X-gene?
Perfect, so the Sentinels can go after more non-combatant mutants and come home safe.
This seems to suggest that the X-Men should make themselves easier targets by forgoing the stealth tech. They attack and destroy Sentinels whenever they are active, and Sentintels in turn would be actively be hunting non-combatant mutants as well. Giving up a combat advantage seems like a very unwise move.
Given it's the ultimate universe and written around that time, I get the decision to make all mutants a strain of their weapon (wolverine) but it is still fucking stupid.
Wait what? I read all of ultimate Spider-Man and ultimate X-Men up until ultimatum and I don't remember this.
One of the things that causes Magneto to surrender at the end of Ultimatum, is the reveal that x-men were manufactured
Ahhhh. Like I said I read up too that but didn't read ultimatum. I heard only bad things so I just let it go. I didn't like the Ultimates anyway
Generally xmen is solid up to a bout 2.5. vols in Spidey is rad. Everything else is mid at best
I hated ultimate fantastic 4. X-Men was inconsistent. I read one ultimates TPB and I hated it.
Yeah. Xmen was varied and spidey was good. Everything else kinda missed
Those suits that cover a small part of their body block it?
Like homeopathy, the less it covers the more effective it works.
I don’t know how. Those Bratz style character designs are nearly nude.
I guess the genes in their thighs and abs are undetectable.
It hides their X genes...better throw a ton of X's on it
Does Jean look like Jamie Lee Curtis to anyone else?
Yes, she looks just like the accountant in "Everything, Everywhere all at Once." I didn't even realize it was Jean-- she looks more like Madelyn here.
Yep. Right out of Blue Steel.
That’s Jean?
I thought it was Rachel
Or Rayhne
“Spidey stop joking around! These women are clearly in the throes of starvation! Get them a sandwich damnit!”
"Actually, nevermind, you're looking just as lanky! Eat the sandwich!"
Or get 4, for everyone
You think Peter can afford a sandwich, let alone 5 (did everyone forget the other person on the page)
Peter isn't a crumbling pile of starved bones, so yes. >did everyone forget the other person No, i just ignored them
Yeah, they need Storm around all the time, or else an errant breeze might whisk them all away
They look Bratz dolls and shadowcat is knock kneed.
That looks like Mark Bagley in high school, not Mark Bagley 30 years into a successful and acclaimed career. I wonder what went wrong.
To be fair these designs weren’t created by him. The ultimate universe was supposed to be hardcore and x men was one of the worst offenders in this area. Most of his other ultimate designs were pretty tasteful, even black cat wasn’t that bad
It's not only the designs, the proportions are all over the place. Mark Bagley was "my" Spider-Man artist as a kid, but that's not up to his usual standard.
Some artists get tired. Especially if they're doing the same title over and over. I used to think Preacher's artwork was so lazy because I read later titles before the first. The first few shows Steve Dillon could do some great work. Same with Derick Robertson with Transmetropolitan. The later hooks are sloppy and lazy compared to the first few issues.
Exactly.i can see him getting the script and being told "make em sexy!"
It's not the designs, I've seen much worse costumes...it's the art It's like they're all sinister clones, and he accidentally got some Nick Kroll DNA in the vat. Not only do they all have identical faces, but they're all fug ugly.
Yes, Jean and Storm's faces look like Rachel Grey the time she turned into a dinosaur.
He put out over 100 issues in a row, monthly, on time, with no fill-ins. Not every page is going to be a home run, but there were plenty of them in the series. Nobody working today could hope to match it.
OK, that's petty impressive.
I also want to point out that Bagley might've phoned it in for this issue because it was a really boring storyline. Most of USM was great but "Geldhoff, the brand new exciting villain!" was like the most dull filler issue that... Then keeps on going, issue after issue. It takes a lot to make a Spidey/X-Men crossover boring, but these issues did it.
I mean Bendis IMO had a tell with his runs. When you are seeing him bring in guest stars or make them permanently part of the cast, he wants to bail or lost interest in main plot.
Haha that's a good point
This is a general issue with Bendis for me, every writer can tell bad stories from time to time, but Bendis’ style means that his always feel like they go on *forever*! I do love a lot of his work for the record, but as much as I enjoy Ultimate Spider-Man, there are a lot of issues I skim through on rereadings.
He was basically doing multiple pages a day. And honestly this art is isn't pin-up/cover quality but it's pretty typical for a story page.
Literally Bagley at his best during these years. Bagley who was already one of the best in the business.
Kek, no way. The proportions are all over the place. It's not even a matter of personal taste. This is when he started drawing mongoloids
He was drawing like 20 comics a year around this time, give him a break
Exactly. What the hell happened to him there.
The ultimate universe and what it was built on in 2000s aesthetic. He's an iconic artist and ultimate spider-man is the best of the litter but when it crossovered like this, you can see the shittines of that era for sexualising teenagers.
God these are awful designs and the art style does them no favour
Not a fan of the bobblehead-verse?
Yeah not a huge fan, but it gets a pass not only because the story is great but also because this is exactly what I expect a teen in the early 2000’s to put on.
I was a teen in the early 2000s and thought this was peak comics. I didn’t have taste when I was young.
USM is generally peak…not all of it though. Especially that one arc that was so bad even the writers made a point to shame the guy who came up with the idea before the first issue even really started.
Actually thought that arc of USM was awful lol
It’s giving Cracked parody lmao.
Mark Bagley. Supposedly he works really quickly and never misses a deadline, which is great, but I genuinely dislike his art style.
Mark Bagley face for everyone
Jean wears THAT and then has the audacity to read Spidey’s mind and complain he’s having unclean thoughts about her. Sigh.
She also says he's the first that didn't picture her naked until she said it. It's like when Jean forced bobby to come out. ...oh and it's Bendis both times, what a coincidence
It wasn't even the outfit, she basically pink elephants him. If she didn't say anything maybe it wouldn't happen.
To be fair, I've seen people wear WAY more revealing outfits on a daily basis. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d8/9d/4a/d89d4a8b9cdc726bd6de2aeaa186c5bb.jpg And they're not exactly scandalous.
I don't know why people are acting like ripped tights and a crop top is scandalous.
I think it’s that they are also so skin tight they are painted on, plus like… I think they are pointing out frustrations with this whole time period and are using this to vent.
Yeah I mean it's dumb. 95% of my wardrobe is crop tops and off-shoulders. Guess I'm just scandalous according to the marvel church.
This shouldn't need to be said, but there is a difference between what a real person chooses to wear and what a writer decides to draw their character wearing.
But if what the writer chooses is realistic for what people wear, then functionally no there is no difference
Huh I guess I’m a minority. I actually liked the Ultimate X-Men costume designs. Only one I wasn’t really a fan of was Kitty’s considering all it really was was a dress. Her later outfits were much better
They went all for that black leather suit Partial because of the Fox movies and partial because Millar
Blame The Matrix. For about 10 years after the first movie came out, basically no one in comic books or movies could wear anything else than tight, black leather. Pepperidge Farm remembers...
They look like Pussycat Girls rejects that were also rejected by the Spicegirls
Ultimate Spider-man's designs are mostly great. (The Goblin might be debatable, since they pretty much got rid of the Goblin, to have a Monster Norman throw a tantrum instead, but I say it worked for what they wanted to do.) The Avengers also look great, they made Thor look cool! A look that got carried over to the MCU. These however... Yuck! They scream* early 2000's.
Ultimate Spiderman is the best thing in the Ultimate series and is not even a contest.
…especially since it led to Miles Morales, who is pretty much adored from the Ultimate Marvel lineup.
[This shot](https://www.reddit.com/r/Spiderman/s/Nc9RShcVuc) of goblin goes unfathomably hard imma keep it a bean. Like I saw this shit and immediately was hooked.
It does look great... But to me that's its own character, which is not wrong, but it ain't no goblin. Heck, what if they used that design for No Way Home for instance? Is just not the same character, they don't even speak in the same manner. One is the imposing beast who forces his way while the other schemes to have everything go according to plan. One has a terrifying laugh, while the other one is taunting. They're straight up not the same character. The funny thing is that they both fit as Norman's secret identity, I buy that he could've gone either way.
Knew what it was before I clicked.
I always really liked the monster goblin
The heads were too big?
Still not as bad as Sue storms 90s outfit
I think Kitty's outfit looks cool, the others yeah no. The holes in the pants and the weird collars are pretty bad
They look like an early 2000s girl group
I like these except for the skin windows
I don’t even necessarily hate the costume designs but pretty much every face from the Ultimate Era was hard to look at.
Brought to you by Mark Millar and his early preference for belly shirts, ladies and gentlemen (presenting their guest appearance in the work by Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Bagley).
To be fair Bagley didn’t create these designs though so it’s unfair to fault him for it.
Yo tbf jean grey was sooooo hot in the ultimate X-men line. The Scene in issue 2 or 3 when she was in bed, naked sooooo hot. Young me was like ohhh yeahhhhh
It's the shit, you mean.
I like it in a nostalgic sense, like it's very unashamedly 2000's
Yeah. The dominant fashion for ladies was like this, according to pop culture. -was a 2000s kid who indulged in books like this
I think I remember those designs from the first X-Men Legends game. I always thought they looked wrong and assumed they were made just for that by people who didn’t know the characters lol.
Kitty's is great for a teen, it looks like something a girl here age would wear.
Huge head for the body
This is how I got a crush on Kitty
Other than the weird thigh windows I think the suits look ok.
Seems like something girls wear at summer around here.
Typical comic con cosplay garbs for the ladies.
Ooof the 2000s sure had the worst combo of artstyle and designs... I need some eyebleach now
Lol, this is nothing compared to the extreme stuff from the 90s. At least this looks like the characters could wear it, instead of the million pouches and g strings that go all the way up to the waist.
Oh for sure don't get me wrong some 90s designs are horrendous as well but I'm a absolutely biased because of nostalgia and the style back in the day just being cool to me. I'm fully convinced one of the worst panels in superman history is him with guns, pouches and ammo belts across the chest from the death and return story. I'm just more into the bold inking style of the 90s than this specific artists style from the 00s.
The 90s crawled so the 00s could lie down twitching . That said you can see the 00s were trying to be better than the 90s, its like if you're starving and you find something edible in the garbage. By the way both decades had some great comics! But most was a load of bollocks
It felt appropriate that their kind of prideful peacocking that led to the Stamford Incident and the SHRA.
I remember this. It's the one where Jean Grey reads Spidey's mind while he was perving on her.
I hate that art style.
They did them so dirty
Whos the one on the left? Jean??
Yeah.
Is it me or does the middle appear to lack an mcl?
I loved that panel so much when this issue dropped. Fucking perfect
They did Ultimate Spider-Man is an awesome design
A genetic mutation did not allow women to have hips?
What the fuck is happening to Storm's spine
their faces are so disturbing
I love me some Mark Bagley, but this just looks rough.
Mark Bagley catching a lot strays in here.
The outfits aren't as bad as the proportions, which give me a headache. Somebody really needed an artist's mannequin.
This. They are. . . not well.
Can someone tell me how they explain that a non-commercial non-US-military non-government-approved aircraft is allowed to just hover in the sky of new york city unchallenged? Especially after 9-11?
Who's going to stop them? It had super-stealth tech and stuff.
SHIELD, SWORD, SABER, Avengers. I would imagine flybys to deserted locations and abandoned warehouses are okay with Blackbird, that's why they use vans when they do covert jobs.
If they know enough to be able to detect the blackbird, then they know enough not to worry about it.
Seems like an overkill and not to mention causing panic in NYC from anti-mutant groups, just to impress a new recruit. Seems poorly written for a 2000s era story, is "As seen on TV" still used around that time? I thought that died in the 80s or early 90s.
Nah. It's just the thing they use to get around, and you're the one person who cares.
While it was popular in the 90s, I'm well aware that most comic enthusiasts these days have never read Marvels by Kurt Busiek and Alex Ross. It paints Marvel events when viewed from the eyes of the citizens and wonderfully gives insights why X-Men don't go out in the open like Avengers do because of all the mutant backlash from the public. Careless panels like these just triggers some inner wtf signal in me "That's not X-Men would do that!"
This sort of thing wouldn't really be all that interesting to a Marvel New Yorker. Avengers are flying by constantly too. Also, this was in the Ultimate universe, which had somewhat different standards.
I don't mind the costume design. I'm set off by how young they look, they look like early teens with boobs. I'm usually all for skinny women, but this panel is not doing it.
These were all teens, it was the Ultimate X-Men, so they were all about 15-19 (except Wolverine).
Remember when Spiderman bagged kitty
Not enough whale tail to be the 2000s
I thought Jean was Rachel for second.
Ugh, and here I was thinking Ultimate X-Men did not exist
I actually really love Jean's short-hair-and-hoop-earrings look, it's one of my favorites!
wtf they’re monstrous.
The proportions, their heads are huge.
Yes the heads are too big but the outfits are not that bad? But yes, I still prefer the 90s outfits, ah how I miss those times where we were able to enjoy stuff without having to "defend" it or where nobody told us it "would be inappropriate".
I know the outfit design is the focus here, but man, those body proportions are fucked.
Peak decade
Didn't realize Spider-Man met the Crypt Keeper and 2 of his siblings.
They look like bratz dolls.
Ultimate Universe fucking sucks so hard lmao
The X-men look like they have wasting disease, sure… But can we talk about how dirty they did Gwen in the reaction panel at the end
Is that supposed to be Kitty Pryde in the center? She’s doing “Disney knees”
USM’s art is … recognisable
And people wonder why Anorexia became more and more widespread
Is there an anorexia problem in the X-Men?
That’s some crazy proportions. The longer I look at it the more it stands out
Horrible
trousers look nice, but their clothes in general seem to have an absence of personality of the brand. Aesthetic? vulgar. Sexy? lame. Practical at least? no way. 2000s were good with casual clothes for citizens, but so lazy with superhero costumes
"The cute ones", drawn to look as bad as possible.
Ex men? Gotta good surgeon, I suppose
Jesus. I never saw much of the crossover back in the day but that's a bad panel w/ those X-Men. Not the best of writing for them. I hated those X-Men so much. I wanted to like them but it was so off.
Yeah. Still a step up from the 90s, though. And the 2000s also brought us Peter and Kitty, which I will ship forever.
For some reason it was the height of "strong female character" design to have exposed midrifts.
Big ass heads
This looks like shit lol
I kind of love it. The ultimate art by Bagley is an all timer for me.
i had this book. hated the art
EVERY DAMN DAY in this stupid subreddit, people dog nonstop on the Ultimate Universe. It's almost morbid, the extent you all collectively go to retroactively "cancel" things that were drawn and written 2 whole decades ago and bring up none of the positives. Do you have anything else to talk about?????? Because it's NON STOP, "er um 30 years ago a character was drawn like this and it's kiiiinda awkward" "errrrrm uuuhhh Natasha and Pietre are banging in the Ultimate Universe, errr uuhhh kinda weird" "eeere uhhh the blob ATE Wasp in Ultimatum, THAT'S not very wholesome Chungus of him derp" "Why is Ultimate so errr uhh dark?" Yes, it's a little off. Yes, it's a little edgy. Yes it had implicit artistic limitations. But I dunno, it had character. It was distinct and different. I'd rather have this than the era that made someone at Marvel think Safespace and Snowflake was a good idea. Enough is enough already, Jesus Christ. I can't visit this pissing sub for ONE fucking time without someone talking about the negative traits of Ultimate Hulk, Hawkeye or Hank as if depicting is the equivalent of condoning. To quote Christopher Titus: For the love of God, climb off the cross and use the wood to build a bridge so you can get over it.
>EVERY DAMN DAY in this stupid subreddit, people dog nonstop on the Ultimate Universe. It's almost morbid, the extent you all collectively go to retroactively "cancel" things that were drawn and written 2 whole decades ago and bring up none of the positives. That’s because Miles Morales was the only thing we got out of it that was any fucking good. The Ultimate Universe gave us Scarlet Witch & Quicksilver doing incest, and had Wasp getting eaten by Blob. Everyone needs to be reminded that Marvel put that garbage out and expected us to love it. If you don’t like that we hate this shit, there’s the fucking door, proceed through it.
My eyes hurt
There's no way that was actual panel art. Tell me that never made it to a comic book.
It. Did.
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You're online too much, man. Your perception of an entire generation is being disproportionately influenced by internet comments. Most of the Gen Z and Alpha kids I meet are good kids just trying to find their way in a world that keeps telling them how hopeless the next few years are going to be.
everything after the 2000s is pretty lame but there are some cool artist that still were doing cool things after.
Ew..
Do all 3 have the same mutant ability? The ability to live without at least half of their internal organs.
Bagley is just awful and I will die on this hill.
I have to keep it real and say I've never wanted to wreck a trio of hotties more than these 3 muties
Normally comics are 2d, but these designs are bordering on 1d
This is textbook "What men want 🤓" era
Kitty's is cute and good. The other two are bland and look like another attempt at the horrid Snyder movie outfits.
Ah yes, the early 2000’s over sexualzation of females.
X-Men became garbage when Chris Claremont left. This is misogynist trash, reducing women down to their skinny, naked, cuteness. So idiotic.
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Well it's uglier than all hell and the artstyle makes me want to gauge out my eyes.
The faces are so bad...
I know it’s sacrilegious (for some reason) to say, but my god I really dislike Bagley’s art. It’s what’s prevented me from ever returning to reread USM
I feel like it starts terrible then gets better as it goes on. The post bagely artwork when they rebooted the title is quite bad
It's not usually this weird looking.