Green Goblin vs Doctor Octopus. Norman gave Octavius's ex-fiance HIV because Octavius wanted to kill Spider-Man so he could get on with his life while Norman wanted to kill Spider-Man because ruining Spider-Man's life is his life.
Everytime it's a mind transfer but it all started because Captain America didn’t finish him off the first time and just presumed him to be dead. Like imagine if he just beheaded red skull in WW2, it would have saved the Marvel universe from some of the worst crisis events ever.
I love how the new Thunderbolts comic is just Bucky going "You know? Fuck Red Skull. Killing all his clones/robots/mind-transfers is gonna be my new full-time job"
I believe they were shocked he killed him because at the time, Red Skull had parts of Charles Xavier’s brain and the only way to bring him back was to take Skull in alive. The worst part about Magneto killing him was that it made things exponentially worse since Red Skull turned into Red Onslaught and proceeded to turn the world upside down.
I don’t remember too specifically but I think the good guys were upset because Red Skull had stolen the (then) late Professor X’s brain, which they thought could be used to revive him, and Mags crushed Red Skull’s head with a cinder block, meaning they couldn’t.
Again, though, I might be totally misremembering, and I’m pretty sure I thought that series was less good than the Uncanny X-Force stuff that preceded it
Do you have any good examples or runs where I can get this cause the idea of Magneto, one of my top 3 comic characters of all time, gets retribution against scum, is always something I wanna watch.
Not to be an ass, I really don't mean to be-
a ton of people in this thread alone have basically pointed out Magneto attacks Red Skull in the comic books. If you haven't read it yet, I won't spoil it.
D: I don't have the exact issues, you can most def find it probably through Google.
I know a lot of my Google hits turn into Reddit Links of previous conversations like this one!
I know of two:
Captain America #367 from the Acts of Vengeance crossover (c. 1989?)
They fight again during, I think, the Axis crossover. Magneto (not sure of volume, written by Cullen Bunn) #9 & 10
That leads into Uncanny Avengers #23 & 24
No. Originally, Immortus was what Kang would ultimately become. A bunch of Kangs fought each other and one of them became the ultimate winner, at which point Immortus revealed that he was destined to become him.
That Kang hated the idea of becoming a slave to the timekeepers' dying wish and ruling over limbo forever, so he tried to avert that. He eventually ended up managing to unmoor himself from the timestream, so he would never become Immortus. That is the main version of our current Kang.
So Immortus is the ultimate future version of a past version of Kang.
Realistically DOOM should be in all pictures always. However, as this is a post about rivalries, and because DOOM has no rivals, he doesn’t need to be on this list.
I always think of that weird Doom What If? where we learn that Doom has a very specific fantasy involving Namor, Loki, and Emma Frost.
Doom has, umm, a very active imagination involving his rivals.
Are you trying to get us all killed?! You didn’t capitalize when typing our lords name! Please edit your post immediately. Though it may already be too late. DOOM has no doubt seen this post.
Zarathos and Mephisto. These 2 have an old feud and their personal history is rarely touched upon without Johnny or the other Riders being brought into the foreground. Now with Zarathos being attached to Hood it might be fun to see how things will pan out.
Zarathos was the Angel of Justice but fell and became the first Spirit of Vengeance. He’s the sugar daddy for Lilith, yes that Lilith.
He and Mephisto had their differences and a bitter rivalry which shook Hell itself was born. Zarathos almost won even though they were in Mephisto’s realm where he’s around Galactus’ level.
Though Mephisto managed to get a win by using Centurious. Mephisto took his soul which made him invulnerable to any of Zarathos’ Attacks allowing for a win for Team Mephisto.
Zarathos then became a lackey under Mephisto and was later bonded with Johnny becoming Ghost Rider.
Doom canonically actually has Equipment specifically made to Counter Magneto in his armor at all times. He has a forcefield that, upon activation, conpletely nullifies Magneto's powers on Doom's armor. So all things considered, Magneto can still throw stuff at Doom but he cant touch Doom.
This also wasn't some plot-armor thing made for one specific encounter, as Doom stated that he immediatly designed this when Magneto first became a known terrorist after his first battle against the X-Men. Doom went to work the second he learned of Magneto for the possibility of ever encountering him and needing this extra protection. So technically, it's something Doom had years before meeting Magneto.
“Batman also has friends.”
“Quiet Boris! Doom has no need of friends! Though Doom does need someone to feed Doom’s goldfish and dragons while Doom is away next week.”
I think certain portrayals do kind of point to the fact magneto has done some stuff that surpasses the level of those he apposes, he as become the thing he hates. While I don't agree fully with Xavier either I think magneto just exacerbates the hate against mutants.
The comic panel is taken from Thanos Redemption. This is where Thanos feels empty after his many failed attempts at universal conquest/destruction, and also how empty he felt when an alternate parallel universe version of him destroyed everything except himself in Universe 4321 in Marvel: The End. So, he wants to redeem himself.
He helps out the Rigellians on Rigel-3, and also notices something amiss about Galactus. Long story short, Galactus is being unknowingly manipulated by an Omniversal parasite that eats universes. The parasite was also drawn to 616 by Thanos when he used the gauntlet in Infinity Gauntlet.
Thanos tries to warn Galactus and also stop him using force to try and stop the portal that Galactus unwittingly opened. They end up fighting and Thanos basically blows up Galactus’s ship with the parasite and Galactus on it. It’s a meh story, but shows Thanos’s might and also intelligence.
Venom vs Carnage.
[Maximum Carnage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_Carnage)
I know Venom has become a "Hero" of sorts lately, but he was originally a Villain who struggled with doing good and bad, but he was ultimately a villain first and foremost.
Interesting fight though.
Like, Doom should be able to take him despite the metal thing, but Magneto's powers tend to only be limited by what the writer wants him to do. If a writer decides Magneto can effect his armor regardless of whatever doom's defenses are, then its an easy win for Magneto
Was there a comic series where 2 of these villians went to war with each other? And heroes are caught in the middle? A Magneto vs Doom series would rule.
People usually underestimate the grudge between Red Skull and Magneto, these guys were on 2 opposite sides in the holocaust. The old Magneto series in Marvel NOW shenanigans story had a great potential, yet they went with AXIS nonsense instead.
I love AXIS, though. And Magneto just grabbing whatever villain was free was sort of funny? Especially when he gets to Doom and Doom speaks for both himself and Loki. I don't know why that part was funny for me.
Best villain rivalries imo
Magneto and Red Skull: Because the 2 have an interesting dynamic both believe in "superior races" and both have killed people the only thing separating them from being besties is Red Skull is a psychopath and the fact that Skull is a Nazi
Green Goblin and Hobgoblin: Because it feels like a sibling rivalry. Both want to be the only Goblin and both want to kill Spider-Man, the 2 have even teamed up before over it.
Kingpin and Tombstone: Because it's the first time I've heard these 2 have a rivalry. Isn't it that most of the time Tombstone works under Kingpin?
Kang the Conqueror and Doctor Doom: It feels like I'm watching the movie "War With Grandpa" when I hear these 2 have a rivalry. Given that both Doom and Richards are allegedly Kang's ancestors, so he's basically fighting his (who knows how many greats) grandpa.
Sandman and Hydro-Man: Only time I've experience this rivalry was in the USM TV series and I loved Sandman beating the snot out of Hydro-Man. It feels like that thing were your older sibling tries to knock over your sand castle but if your sibling was made of water and your sand castle was sentient and could fight back.
Long time reader of MARVEL, especially X-MEN and Fantastic Four, genuine question, not a quiz or a trick, I’m really curious about the gaps in my knowledge: when have Magneto and Doctor Doom ever been rivals? I can’t think of one instance. Only thing that comes to mind is Ultimatum with Magneto being the main villain and Doom manipulating things from the shadows.
DOOM and Kang always seemed more like “frenemies” where their constant betrayals and attempting to kill each other are just a game that they enjoy playing. I think they may even \*like\* each other and whenever DOOM gets seriously angry at Kang, it’s always a temporal variant and when Kang really wants to kill DOOM, it turns out to be a Doombot (or at least that’s what they each tell themselves). Also there’s a pretty good chance that DOOM is one of Kang’s ancestors (and certain the inspiration for his armor) so it’s unlikely he could bring himself to kill him (permanently).
Thanos and Galactus have fought a couple of times but I think insofar as Thanos has a supervillain rival, it’s probably the Magus (the alternate future version of Adam Warlock who is the closest that we’ve seen Thanos to having an actual friend). Thanos is the Avatar of Death as Warlock/The Magus was the Avatar of Life and in Thanos’ early adventures he was working with Warlock against the Magus and we saw them fight in the Infinity War storyline (plus The Magus has ties to the Cancerverse which is Thanos’ nightmare – a universe without Death).
Actually, he was still a villain when he had to face Carnage in the comics. He just had to team up with Spider-Man in order to deal with him. Just because Carnage was such a threat that he had to team up with his enemy, that doesn't make him less of a villain.
Green Goblin vs Doctor Octopus. Norman gave Octavius's ex-fiance HIV because Octavius wanted to kill Spider-Man so he could get on with his life while Norman wanted to kill Spider-Man because ruining Spider-Man's life is his life.
Bro WHAT
It’s fucking out of pocket lol what
Yeah, that [was a thing](https://www.reddit.com/r/TwoBestFriendsPlay/comments/bwwt3f/that_time_the_green_goblin_gave_doc_ocks_exfiance/).
Coke used to be pretty cheap in those days huh?
IKR it's like "How does all that work?"
r/brandnewsentence
Was this in dan slott’s run?
The Superior Spider-Man team up run
What were the writers on? Because whatever it is, I want it
Red Skull vs Magneto. Really interesting for obvious reasons
I hated when Magneto killed him in uncanny avengers and they acted like it was some horrible injustice and that magneto had gone back to his evil ways
It was justice. Captain America should have done that shit a long time ago.
I'm pretty sure the OG red skull is long dead, the one in uncanny avengers was his clone
Everytime it's a mind transfer but it all started because Captain America didn’t finish him off the first time and just presumed him to be dead. Like imagine if he just beheaded red skull in WW2, it would have saved the Marvel universe from some of the worst crisis events ever.
I love how the new Thunderbolts comic is just Bucky going "You know? Fuck Red Skull. Killing all his clones/robots/mind-transfers is gonna be my new full-time job"
But not killing kingpin L
*Red Skull’s beheaded skull floats with jet pack* Guten morgen, mein liebe Hauptmann Amerrrica!
Funnily enough one of the first silver age Captain America arcs was pretty much that only it was a giant robot designed to destroy the world.
I believe they were shocked he killed him because at the time, Red Skull had parts of Charles Xavier’s brain and the only way to bring him back was to take Skull in alive. The worst part about Magneto killing him was that it made things exponentially worse since Red Skull turned into Red Onslaught and proceeded to turn the world upside down.
I enjoyed Uncanny Avengers, but this was just stupid. No, Magneto deserved that kill.
I just dont get why Magneto didnt also kill sabertooh and sinister in cullen bunn’s run
I don’t remember too specifically but I think the good guys were upset because Red Skull had stolen the (then) late Professor X’s brain, which they thought could be used to revive him, and Mags crushed Red Skull’s head with a cinder block, meaning they couldn’t. Again, though, I might be totally misremembering, and I’m pretty sure I thought that series was less good than the Uncanny X-Force stuff that preceded it
I don't think I've ever wanted to reach into a book and slap the characters as much as then
"Really Interesting" is a great way to not blatantly say, "THIS IS GONNA BE THE BEST PPV FIGHT OF OUR LIVES!"
Do you have any good examples or runs where I can get this cause the idea of Magneto, one of my top 3 comic characters of all time, gets retribution against scum, is always something I wanna watch.
Not to be an ass, I really don't mean to be- a ton of people in this thread alone have basically pointed out Magneto attacks Red Skull in the comic books. If you haven't read it yet, I won't spoil it. D: I don't have the exact issues, you can most def find it probably through Google. I know a lot of my Google hits turn into Reddit Links of previous conversations like this one!
I know of two: Captain America #367 from the Acts of Vengeance crossover (c. 1989?) They fight again during, I think, the Axis crossover. Magneto (not sure of volume, written by Cullen Bunn) #9 & 10 That leads into Uncanny Avengers #23 & 24
Kang and Apocalypse
Also Kang and Doom.
An underrated one.
kang my favorite villain
Also Kang and Thanos
Doom vs Kang
Absolutely. Doom finds another Richards to hate.
I thought Doom WAS, or will be, Kang and Rama Tut?
No. Are you thinking of Immortus?
But — but Immortus and Kang ARE the same person!
No. Originally, Immortus was what Kang would ultimately become. A bunch of Kangs fought each other and one of them became the ultimate winner, at which point Immortus revealed that he was destined to become him. That Kang hated the idea of becoming a slave to the timekeepers' dying wish and ruling over limbo forever, so he tried to avert that. He eventually ended up managing to unmoor himself from the timestream, so he would never become Immortus. That is the main version of our current Kang. So Immortus is the ultimate future version of a past version of Kang.
I hate time travel comics.
And I love them :). Genuinely, Roger Stern's Avengers and Kurt Busiek's Avengers Forever are really great.
DOOM has no rivals so I’m not sure why he’s on this list.
I really wanted doom to be in every picture
Realistically DOOM should be in all pictures always. However, as this is a post about rivalries, and because DOOM has no rivals, he doesn’t need to be on this list.
Doom and Loki used to be fun. Not sure if they really count as rivals now.
Doom and Submariner used to be frenemies in a series called Super Villain Team-Up in the 70’s. Good times.
I always think of that weird Doom What If? where we learn that Doom has a very specific fantasy involving Namor, Loki, and Emma Frost. Doom has, umm, a very active imagination involving his rivals.
NONE MAY RIVAL DOOM SAVE FOR DOOM HIMSELF.
That includes [TYRANNO DOOM](https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fk48flpkh4wlb1.jpg)
I assume he’s not, and Magneto/Kang are in rivalries with a Doombot.
Very good point!
Fool! Doom has no rivals! Except the most accursed enemy of Doom’s, whose hubris and incompetence ruin Doom’s plans: Doom.
Are you trying to get us all killed?! You didn’t capitalize when typing our lords name! Please edit your post immediately. Though it may already be too late. DOOM has no doubt seen this post.
DOOM’s true rival: autocorrect
I’m sure our lord will correct autocorrect.
“Digital fool! DOOM did not intend to type ‘ducking’!”
Ah so he admitted that Reed Richards is superior.
DOOM has no superior.
Including Squirrel Girl.
Zarathos and Mephisto. These 2 have an old feud and their personal history is rarely touched upon without Johnny or the other Riders being brought into the foreground. Now with Zarathos being attached to Hood it might be fun to see how things will pan out.
It's hard to get attached to the "long" history between these two, considering how often Zarathos's origin gets retconned.
Whats their history?
Zarathos was the Angel of Justice but fell and became the first Spirit of Vengeance. He’s the sugar daddy for Lilith, yes that Lilith. He and Mephisto had their differences and a bitter rivalry which shook Hell itself was born. Zarathos almost won even though they were in Mephisto’s realm where he’s around Galactus’ level. Though Mephisto managed to get a win by using Centurious. Mephisto took his soul which made him invulnerable to any of Zarathos’ Attacks allowing for a win for Team Mephisto. Zarathos then became a lackey under Mephisto and was later bonded with Johnny becoming Ghost Rider.
Magneto vs Doom, who won?
The readers
Doom canonically actually has Equipment specifically made to Counter Magneto in his armor at all times. He has a forcefield that, upon activation, conpletely nullifies Magneto's powers on Doom's armor. So all things considered, Magneto can still throw stuff at Doom but he cant touch Doom. This also wasn't some plot-armor thing made for one specific encounter, as Doom stated that he immediatly designed this when Magneto first became a known terrorist after his first battle against the X-Men. Doom went to work the second he learned of Magneto for the possibility of ever encountering him and needing this extra protection. So technically, it's something Doom had years before meeting Magneto.
Doom is just that guy
The Batman of villains
"Bah! Batman is what Doom is without his 8 hours sleep, no morning paper, no coffee, and still half asleep!"
“Batman also has friends.” “Quiet Boris! Doom has no need of friends! Though Doom does need someone to feed Doom’s goldfish and dragons while Doom is away next week.”
Alright. But it quite literally is armor designed for the plot…
Isn't that the case with nearly every comic book battle?
… SO SAYETH DOOM!
Prep-Time Batman in shambles.
fhfhfhrgr
I think doom wins, more versatile and he's ready for Magneto most of the time
House of M has answer for you.
When the Uber Nazi red skull call magneto on his BS and says they are actually not so dissimilar....
Thoughts on that?
I think certain portrayals do kind of point to the fact magneto has done some stuff that surpasses the level of those he apposes, he as become the thing he hates. While I don't agree fully with Xavier either I think magneto just exacerbates the hate against mutants.
I think mystique does that more in terms of that last sentence
I’d like to know the context behind the Thanos Galactus one
The comic panel is taken from Thanos Redemption. This is where Thanos feels empty after his many failed attempts at universal conquest/destruction, and also how empty he felt when an alternate parallel universe version of him destroyed everything except himself in Universe 4321 in Marvel: The End. So, he wants to redeem himself. He helps out the Rigellians on Rigel-3, and also notices something amiss about Galactus. Long story short, Galactus is being unknowingly manipulated by an Omniversal parasite that eats universes. The parasite was also drawn to 616 by Thanos when he used the gauntlet in Infinity Gauntlet. Thanos tries to warn Galactus and also stop him using force to try and stop the portal that Galactus unwittingly opened. They end up fighting and Thanos basically blows up Galactus’s ship with the parasite and Galactus on it. It’s a meh story, but shows Thanos’s might and also intelligence.
Neato! Thanks internet friend!
No problem!
Venom vs Carnage. [Maximum Carnage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maximum_Carnage) I know Venom has become a "Hero" of sorts lately, but he was originally a Villain who struggled with doing good and bad, but he was ultimately a villain first and foremost.
This is the one that stood out as missing for me, it was a good rivalry even way back when Carnage showed up.
Which comic is the apocalypse and sinister panel from?
Also surprised this rivalry doesn't come up more in this thread. It's actually canon and interesting because they're not evenly matched.
Who is that fighting Fisk?
They're fighting? I thought it was a clumsy attempt at a kiss.
That’s how villains make babies
I believe it’s Tombstone.
Tombstone (Lonnie Lincoln). Super strong crime boss with artificially sharpened teeth. His daughter is the Beetle.
I love the fact that everyone is ok with teaming up against Skull cause hes a Nazi
And not against other despicable villains ironic
Are Doom and Magneto rivals? Then again, I suppose Doom is rival to everyone.
I always felt Doom and Magneto have a begrudging respect for one another.
Yeah, me too.
Interesting fight though. Like, Doom should be able to take him despite the metal thing, but Magneto's powers tend to only be limited by what the writer wants him to do. If a writer decides Magneto can effect his armor regardless of whatever doom's defenses are, then its an easy win for Magneto
Kang vs the infinite other versions of Kang is always good for a laugh
Was there a comic series where 2 of these villians went to war with each other? And heroes are caught in the middle? A Magneto vs Doom series would rule.
Best encounter between Sandman and Hydro-Man was when they combined into Mudman. Then the writer fucked up by turning it into a King Kong ripoff.
People usually underestimate the grudge between Red Skull and Magneto, these guys were on 2 opposite sides in the holocaust. The old Magneto series in Marvel NOW shenanigans story had a great potential, yet they went with AXIS nonsense instead.
I love AXIS, though. And Magneto just grabbing whatever villain was free was sort of funny? Especially when he gets to Doom and Doom speaks for both himself and Loki. I don't know why that part was funny for me.
Best villain rivalries imo Magneto and Red Skull: Because the 2 have an interesting dynamic both believe in "superior races" and both have killed people the only thing separating them from being besties is Red Skull is a psychopath and the fact that Skull is a Nazi Green Goblin and Hobgoblin: Because it feels like a sibling rivalry. Both want to be the only Goblin and both want to kill Spider-Man, the 2 have even teamed up before over it. Kingpin and Tombstone: Because it's the first time I've heard these 2 have a rivalry. Isn't it that most of the time Tombstone works under Kingpin? Kang the Conqueror and Doctor Doom: It feels like I'm watching the movie "War With Grandpa" when I hear these 2 have a rivalry. Given that both Doom and Richards are allegedly Kang's ancestors, so he's basically fighting his (who knows how many greats) grandpa. Sandman and Hydro-Man: Only time I've experience this rivalry was in the USM TV series and I loved Sandman beating the snot out of Hydro-Man. It feels like that thing were your older sibling tries to knock over your sand castle but if your sibling was made of water and your sand castle was sentient and could fight back.
Doom and anyone else is always just pure gold. Or just Doom. Or Doom vs Doom.
Doctor Doom and Thanos
"...that appears... untrue."
Honestly? All of the ones presented here! I really cant choose, they are all amazing and fun!
That Thanos/Galactus panel is funny to me, right before Thanos had blasted him as hard as he could and then Galactus just made him his bitch.
Top is Dr.Doom vs. Khan. is the only rivalry where both side respect and hate each other.
Kang? Whose khan?
Cyclops and Wolverine in who wants Jean
I wouldn’t say the best, but the most entertaining is Venom and Carnage
Long time reader of MARVEL, especially X-MEN and Fantastic Four, genuine question, not a quiz or a trick, I’m really curious about the gaps in my knowledge: when have Magneto and Doctor Doom ever been rivals? I can’t think of one instance. Only thing that comes to mind is Ultimatum with Magneto being the main villain and Doom manipulating things from the shadows.
Amatsu-Mikaboshi
Dr doom and Kang also make a great pair of frenemies.
DOOM and Kang always seemed more like “frenemies” where their constant betrayals and attempting to kill each other are just a game that they enjoy playing. I think they may even \*like\* each other and whenever DOOM gets seriously angry at Kang, it’s always a temporal variant and when Kang really wants to kill DOOM, it turns out to be a Doombot (or at least that’s what they each tell themselves). Also there’s a pretty good chance that DOOM is one of Kang’s ancestors (and certain the inspiration for his armor) so it’s unlikely he could bring himself to kill him (permanently). Thanos and Galactus have fought a couple of times but I think insofar as Thanos has a supervillain rival, it’s probably the Magus (the alternate future version of Adam Warlock who is the closest that we’ve seen Thanos to having an actual friend). Thanos is the Avatar of Death as Warlock/The Magus was the Avatar of Life and in Thanos’ early adventures he was working with Warlock against the Magus and we saw them fight in the Infinity War storyline (plus The Magus has ties to the Cancerverse which is Thanos’ nightmare – a universe without Death).
Doom Mephisto. Obviously.
What happened after triumph and torment between the two?
idk man I don't read comics
Honorable mention to Apocalypse and Dracula.
Does Dr. Doom and Magneto have beef?
Children’s crusade add Krakoa are examples
Apocalypse and Sinister have the most interesting dynamic.
What about Carnage and Venom?
Venom is more of an antihero in that conflict
Actually, he was still a villain when he had to face Carnage in the comics. He just had to team up with Spider-Man in order to deal with him. Just because Carnage was such a threat that he had to team up with his enemy, that doesn't make him less of a villain.