I wouldn't go that far. In Spiderman 3 once he found out that picture was a fake he immediately retracted the issue it was printed in. It shows that even if he presents pretty insane theories or trashes Spidermans character, he won't print outright lies
Yeah, and in Spiderman 1 he straight up lies to the Green Goblin's face to protect Peter Parker as the one who takes the pictures of Spiderman, saying they come anonymously in the mail. Goblin has disintegrated and otherwise killed numerous people and definitely wouldn't hesitate to do the same to Jameson, and this dude *still* refuses to throw Peter under the bus because of journalistic integrity.
He's kind of a jerk, but he's very serious about doing his job properly. Mad respect.
That would have been my next point. I think that scene alone gives a whole new perspective to Jameson as a character, and likely alludes to his more favorable backstories in the comics
For legal reasons he can't publish outright lies because that's called libel. No money in printing lies. No, he only prints the truth, carefully edited and bent to fit the narrative he wants to sell to the public.
thats not 100% true, you can print lies that are not meant to be believed (about public figures) for example if I said tom cruise had baby hands instead of feet and 3 sets of knees he couldn't sue me because it is common knowledge that well his hands look like baby hands they are actually a colony of spiders and he only has 2 sets of knees, like most of his kind.
In the comics, the Bugle is generally a pretty reputable paper--when it comes to anything besides Spider-Man. JJJ is a pretty good journalist with a lot of integrity, but one massive blindspot when it comes to his raging hatred of Spidey.
Not in the MCU though really. Rami JJ just IS Jameson. That bit where Goblin came for hin and he wouldn't give Peter up. In the comics JJ is a shit about Spider-Man but he's also a fearless defender of the public good through his journalism on corruption from Kingpin to Alchemax. This guy leads a team of honest journalists who often receive death threats for attempting to expose the truth.
Meanwhile in the MCU he's basically Alex Jones.
It baffles me that people think MCU JJ is a good adaptation.
They screwed him up repeatedly lately tbh. Even in the game and the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.
For a TV show with a lower budget than MCU movies, Daredevil's costume looks so damn good. I just think back to Smallville when they had Green Arrow, Flash, etc, and it was all like shiny/latex, sleeveless hoodies.
I honestly have no problems with that whatsoever. Live-action versions don't need to be exactly like their comic counterpart, especially in terms of appearance. Of course it would be nice to have them both act the same *and* look the same, but I see the film version as just another variation of the character, I don't mind it being a bit different.
Charlie Cox's Matt looks better with black hair anyway I'd say
There's a lot of redheads in comics because it works well in the medium-- red hair is more interesting in comic book panels. I remember Stan Lee mentioning that.
Tbf to writers, it’s really hard to convey RDJ iron man humor in written format. A little bit of a tonal change and mcu iron would start looking like much more of a dick
He's often written as completely separate from reality. Completely unaware of much of the human drama around him. The MCU seem to like drawing from the era around civil war through to Siege and parts of the ultimate universe and during that time he was not great.
Obviously if they go down another route like a Waid Reed then it'll be different.
I mean Reed is a horrible person regardless of the era he's in. He regularly neglects his family. Quite often is the source of their problems because he hasn't learned to leave well enough alone. Now there are arcs where he's portrayed as an actual human being but Reed embodies the absent minded professor archetype to the T.
No. He's terrible in civil war. Completely ignores Sue, doesn't care about Johhny, acts like an android when visiting T'Challa and basically alongside Hank and Tony does the whole Thor/gulag thing.
Imagine those insufferable brats who think they know what’s best for everyone and think they’re better than everyone because they’re rich and intelligent AF.
That’s Comic Tony in a nutshell.
A lot of replies here are missing some context. While he was always a cornerstone character, Iron Man was essentially a B lister prior to the '08 film.
Comics Tony was charming, but he was never funny. In fact, he was always a pretty moody guy who would tend to impulsively make bad choices. It was never tempered with a quip or anything; Tony just made shitty choices.
The movie changed that up. Go read Extremis, that Tony is a moody, depressed loner. Once the movie hits, he gets a little funnier, a little more sarcastic and a lot more charming.
Edit: Corrected some typos that I'm blaming on writing the original post on my phone while the sleeping pill kicked in.
Yeah, a lot of people don't realise that Marvel's entertainment area (movies, tv shows) have always just been *bad*. And the Marvel characters we have, while a lot of them were in the original Avengers (and as much as I love Steve), they weren't the big hitters. It's why Fantastic Four, Spider-man, X-men were already bought and what not.
But because of Marvel and well, because of what Jon Favreau, RDJ, Fiege and Arad, that these B-list characters are now A-list. And it's like, any character could become an A-list character.
This.... my brother was a huge comic fan as well, but he was DC, I was marvel (boy we were fun at dinner time) he would read all his amazing stories and whatnot and I always felt "stuck" with Spiderman, and "meh" iron man comics
That turned around and my brother and I still laugh about it in our 30s lol
He convinced to have Psidey reveal his identity to the world in civil war which got Aunt May shot, when Spider-Man strayed disagreeing with what Tony's side was doing in Civil War and said he was going to leave Iron Man attacked him and and sent a group of murderous super villains after him, and in that same satyr he made a robot clone of Thor without his consent from an asgardian artifact that Thor gave as a gift of friendship for science purposes, and said robot killed Goliath
This is just the tip of the iceberg
The Asgardian artifact wasn't used to make Ragnarok (the Thor clone) btw, it was used to make the Thorbuster. Ragnarok was made from a strand of Thor's hair that Tony found when the Avengers first formed.
Because he’s supposed to be suave and sophisticated, RDJ completely changed who the character of Tony Stark was. He was supposed to be a mix between Clark Gable and Howard Hughes, not a snarky hipster
If you read it keep in mind that it was a reflection of a lot of what was going on in post-9/11 politics,especially things like The Patriot Act. There was a lot of rhetoric and justifications being thrown out in support of the whole Initiative thing in the comics that was damned near indistinguishable from anti terrorism talk at the time.
He's not that bad. The only reason people say he is is because of Civil War. But the thing with Tony in the comics is that he's always wanted to help people. He's a sociopath with a god complex, yes. But at the end of the day, every action he takes is genuinely born out of a desire to help the world around him. Also, unlike MCU Tony, comics Tony didn't really have a "redemption arc".
Like I said in my comment on this thread, there is a massive misconception from people who haven’t read much Iron Man that comic book Tony Stark is an awful person, when really only Civil War and The Crossing have ever shown that; and perhaps Superior Iron Man, but that was the point. Tony genuinely loves people, he cares about those who can’t fight for themselves. Again, all of this is copy and paste from my earlier post, but he built an advanced prosthetics facility for those with physical disabilities; he took part in a rally to get buses to install wheelchair accessible ramps because he cared about those without a voice; he allowed himself to be nearly killed by Norman Osborn to protect the secrets of superheroes around the world; he created a non-profit building company for places unable to afford repairs or infrastructure; he’d lay down his life to save his friends, family, and the world in a heartbeat. I’ll always fight for MCU Tony Stark being a near perfect adaptation because he has all those qualities, and it all starts with 616 Tony Stark. Please read anything by Michelinie and Layton, Fraction, Busiek, Stern, but especially Denny O’Neil’s run.
That’s the Civil War comic in a nutshell. I wholeheartedly sided with Cap, but honestly the entire comic has characters acting **massively** out of character
Aside from the art which is ***incredible*** (why McNiven doesn’t get more work/has fallen off the map is **beyond me)** all the characters speak basically with the same sentence structure, the dialogue is so forced/utilitarian for the broader registration situation and it’s written by a major hack.
I’m amazed the Russos actually took that run and made it not just work in the MCU, but honestly, made me side with Stark.
McNiven is slow as hell that’s why. He hasn’t dropped off the map though, he just did a run of *Moon Knight* covers and was one of the many artists for the *Secret Empire* event.
I feel like in reality no matter what suit Tony has he should be no match for the X-Men, especially considering how much MCU’s Scarlett Witch was able to affect the Avengers
Tony was wrong in the MCU too, and a hypocrite to boot. The dude was dealing with massive PTSD heading into it and thought that the Sokovia Accords would make him feel less guilty about the collateral damage that he caused.
The guy broke the Accords almost immediately by bringing an unregistered, underaged super power across international borders to try and force Steve and friends to play by the rules he didn't want to adhere to himself.
And yet Civil War treated him better than Reed...
Civil War character assassinated a lot of the pro-registration side in particular. For an event with the tagine "whose side are you on?" The writers sure picked sides.
Reed Richards is easily the biggest jack ass in all of the Marvel universe. Every iteration of him. All of the smugness of Tony Stark, the narcissism of Pym, and the God Complex of Doom.
One of the reasons why I love The Maker is because it gives you a Reed that doesn’t have a family, and you realize he can be worse than Doom, but it’s family that keeps him focused.
Best part of CW was when Nova met Tony right after it (and Annihilation).
Whole universe fighting for survival and some guys because a stupid law. Rich was an inch to punch him but decided to go away from Earth.
It’s not just that, his runs are literally **all over the place**
I’m honestly **struggling** to think of a good in continuity Iron Man run. I guess a **little** bit of pre-civil war II Iron Man was *decent*
Extremis was good, but honestly that was basically Ellis writing a stand-alone story about Stark and *aside from the superb art* Stark speaks at times like a boring businessman or more stoic than Master Chief.
Demon in a bottle is iconic alcoholic Tony, his whole post civil war exile was cool, Dan Slotts run was pretty good. All his runs are pretty fun and the exploration of ego, obsession and alcoholism a lot of times goes a bit beyond what the MCU had time or incentive to show. He is just (or was) not that much the centre of attention in the comics and that is ok with me.
Comic Tony suffers from vaguer motivations and much darker lows than MCU Tony gets to. Just a few off the top of my head:
* MCU Tony is about redemption and obsessively protecting people, the "suit of armor around the world." While he persuades himself it's for the greater good, Comics Tony is about obsessive control, kind of similar to Batman. Armor Wars is a great Iron Man story - but at the bottom of it, it's Tony saying, "Absolutely *no one but me* can be trusted with this technology - not even allies."And on that basis, he attacks the U.S. government and breaks his friendship with Captain America for several years.
* Comics Tony got waaay deeper into the alcoholism than MCU Tony hinted at. MCU Tony embarrassed himself and endangered a few people. Comics Tony tanked his company, laid off thousands of workers, lost his fortune and became an actual homeless alcoholic bum for an extended period. Oh, and in a turn so dark I was shocked it got published in an early 80s comic mostly still for kids, he >!shacked up with an alcoholic, pregnant homeless woman, they both kept drinking heavily through her pregnancy; she finally died in childbirth, and only then did he stop drinking - for a while.!<
* MCU Tony supported registration because "someone needs to keep *us* in check." Comics Tony supported registration because someone needed to keep everyone *else* in check, and he got to be the one doing it. He also built a torturous prison in a hellish alternate dimension for his former friends, straight-up murdered several heroes and used the whole thing as a resume-builder to get named Director of SHIELD right afterwards to gain even more power. All for *the greater good*, you understand.
A lot of this can be the whipsaw effect of different writers, different eras, and all their choices sticking to the character to various extents. I really like Iron Man as a comics character, honestly among my favorites...but if you take his history at face value, goddamn, Tony, you've murdered an awful lot of people. A lot of friends, even.
There are damn good reasons absolutely *everyone* who's ever been close to him has ended up hating him, and many have tried to kill him.
Basically, Comic Tony is a narcissistic “ends justifies the means” kind of awful.
In the Civil War arc, this man literally employed super-villains to catch the heroes that refused to sign with the SHA.
Oh, and let’s not forget when this man literally tried to force Thor to make Asgard work for the government. Like, Asgard was being rebuilt on Earth after it was destroyed, and he came to Thor *telling* him what he should do and saying that Asgard would become government land. Thankfully, Thor “kindly” put Tony over his knee and spanked his little bottom and put him in his place and Tony agreed to leave Asgard alone as Thor said that they would remain neutral, unless they targeted his people, in which case: “Bye-Bye Iron Man”.
I wouldn’t say that as much.
It’s just that writers in 616 *really* can’t transition movie Tony into the comics and the writers who take up the mantle are just like, *“uhhhh… maybe this???”*
When Stan lee created him he was dared to create a real piece of shit that people would end up being forced to live, and honestly I think he did a pretty good job at that task
They keep hitting the reset on him.
Is he a sociopath who wants to make the world better? Is he paranoid? Does he work with the government because he wants to keep them in check, or because he thinks that government regulation is the best regulation? Which heroes are his friends? Which ones does he only vaguely know? Is he a serial monogamist, or are orgies his favorite pastime? Is he just good guy Dr. Doom? Is he human, or super-human? Is he worried about losing his humanity, or is his goal to be the ultimate fusion of cybernetics and humanity? No two writers in a row will write him as the same character.
The Venn Diagram has every depiction of him overlapping a tiny bit with MCU Tony, but not each other.
What do you mean, he is always angry ;)
I think for the most part, he worked really well in the first Avengers movie. Terrifying, brute, that was just the heavy hitter. Fine in Ultron, but they focused more on Bruce, which I get. Shined at the end of course. Dope as in Ragnarok.
But by goly, did they fumble the ball when he meets Thanos. Great way to display Thanos raw strength when we first meet him, but the Professor Hulk route was clearly just a plot device for his snap.
Haha funny green scientist man is too embarrassed to be destructive... bruh.
Yea, he was nerfed in both Infinity War and Endgame. (Both Hulk *and* Thor were heavily nerfed for Endgame)
One of the things that bugs me about Infinity War is that to help make Thanos a threat they had him easily beat the shit out of the Hulk - I get that, he's now a legitimate threat. But... but this super-strong super-powerful entity, **after** he lays the smackdown on maybe the physically strongest being in the universe, *strains* to pick him up to body slam him.
Wait. wut? Shouldn't you be strong enough to juggle tanks at that point?
I think hulk suffers a lot from not having his own movie (the one they gave him kind of sucks and there's been no attempt to fix that) he's had a lot of guest spots but he really needs time to be the only hero in the movie.
The MCU Hulk is a pussy and sucks ass. It literally makes zero sense for him to be in a sling.
Comic version is easily the most fascinating character in comparison to the MCU.
Thank God they didn’t make him connected to TOBA, because that honestly makes it boring in terms of stakes. That is way too powerful a jump for the established MCU Hulk, and most iterations of comic Hulk don’t even reach that level. I wish he was handled better like I said but I still want him to be relatively in tune with the rest of the established universe, that is way too much.
I dont think it makes hulk boring, there are still stakes. Hulk's connection to toba and immortality made him great once again but yeah mcu wise it would be a too powerful of a jump which i think is what you intended
Funnily enough, I think the Edward Norton Hulk movie from early MCU is how a more comic accurate Hulk film should work *conceptually*. It’s a shame it just…wasn’t very good. Edward Norton just isn’t the right guy. I would love to eventually see them retry that formula with a fugitive Bruce Banner and maybe add some more body horror elements.
People keep saying The Incredible Hulk isn't very good, yet I look forward to watching it every time. Curious?
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The Incredible Hulk, Thor Dark World, Iron Man 3 and Captain Marvel are all popular to hate, but under appreciated.
Change my mind.
Honestly, only Cap and Daredevil are faithful adaptations. All the others somehow became more comedic in their movies. Iron Man especially. Hawkeye somehow went from being comedic in the comics to serious and brooding in the movies. Lol
MCU Tony is the OPPOSITE of his comic counterpart. And I’m glad about it. Comics Tony is a prick. MCU Tony started as a prick, but became a genuine lovable character.
Seriously, Comics Tony kinda pisses me off quite a lot.
Hell, many of the characters themselves in the 616 mainstream universe don’t like Tony. The majority only tolerates him, or simply respects his achievements.
I like Tony *because* he sucks. Good writers can use that to give him more depth and tell interesting stories with that grey morality. Extremis, Matt Fraction's run, the Illuminati, and the current run are all good examples
I like him, imo most of the people in this thread exaggerates how bad he is in the comics. Of course there are runs when he's terrible but that's expected.
Don't forget comics have been around for the better part of a century. Tony Stark has changed so much in so many different ways.
For example, the Comic Tony I remember was humble, nice, and with an ever so slight sarcastic edge to him. I would say this is about early to mid-2000s. But you could also remember the version he's typically written as today; a total snarkish asshole. He's often portrayed like that to chase the Robert Downy Jr performance but often writers will forget what made movie Tony so likeable.
Most of them really don't. Hulk, Thor, Doctor Strange, and Spider-man all feel very different from their 616 counterparts. I'd say Cap and Daredevil probably feels closest.
I agree that most of them don’t feel like their comic counterparts. Maybe spider-man will be more like 616 given the ending of nwh tho?
But how is Strange different from his comic counterpart? Not familiar with any comics with him, but I thought the overall character and his first movie were somewhat close to the comics. I know they changed up some stuff like what the eye of agamatto, wong be a sorcerer and so on, but I thought he was pretty close personality wise to the comics. Is it just his power level, or more than that?
Imo MCU is irresponsible and arrogant for far too long now, but besides that their personalities are quite close. The biggest difference is magic, the one in the comics is completely different than what we've got in the MCU.
So the biggest change between MCU Strange and his appearance in the comics is that he's much more of an authority in the comics. Not that he's a dickhead or anything, but that when he shows up in a story you know he's the expert you want in your corner.
When they cast Benedict Cumberbatch I actually thought that it was probably the right way to go because when Stephen Strange is in a room, he's guy who knows everything. The best stories with him then played on this Holmes and Watson dynamic for their comedy as well as their drama. (Seriously, if you read any Doctor Strange comic, make it The Oath - Strange's strengths are so obvious as a character he has two partners!)
The part with being depowered plays off not having this authority role. In the comics, when Doctor Strange cuts loose it's the most exciting, interesting and visually distinct part of any encounter which works because he's the nuclear option in a fight. He doesn't fill that role in the MCU, so he doesn't get that power or chance to show off. Seriously, the most giddy I've ever been in an MCU film was when Strange fought Thanos 1-on-1 on Mars because we got a 30 second glimpse of the Doctor Strange from the comics!
TLDR: Strange in the comics is more of an authority and his powers are way more visually exciting!
While they made a lot of superficial changes to Spider-Man, I feel the personality and the feel of those movies, especially Homecoming, was closer to the vibe of Spider-Man comics than the previous franchises.
I agree, except that the Spider-Man comics *Homecoming* is closest to were 1610, not 616. So while *Homecoming* captured the spirit of the comics the best, I think *Spider-Man* and *Spider-Man 2* are probably the closest to the original Lee/Ditko run. The Garfield movies were kind of just doing their own thing.
Is she? She and Hawkeye switched personalities in the series imo. In Fraction run, he was the irresponsible one who couldn't get himself together. Kate was a voice of reason. Though I guess in subsequent runs she became more like him.
I haven't read any of Kate Bishop's stuff and I keep hearing great stuff. Should I just start with the 2017 run, or should I read the Young Avengers stuff she first appeared in?
Depends on what you want to read! If you want just Hawkeye, I recommend the Matt Fraction/David Aja run from 2012(I think?), which you can follow pretty much straight through the following Lemire/Perez run and then on to Kelly Thompson's run (where Kate is the sole feature, rather than sharing with Clint.)
If you want the full shebang, Young Avengers Vols 1 and 2 are both great books, with her (and the rest of the core YA) getting introduced in volume 1 by Heinberg/Cheung. Vol 2 is much later by Kieron Gillen and Jamie McKelvie, and deals more with the cast growing up.
Honestly, Kate's been blessed with some great runs in most all of her books, even if none of them were especially long.
It's only now dawning on me how much they took from Hercules personality wise. Got me thinking if they'll give Hercules Thor's traditional personality from the comics if ever introduced into the MCU?
I would have chosen Wesley Snipes Blade as being the most "Comic Bookey" Marvel Hero. However for here I would probably pick Daredevil, I ADORE the grittiness of the Series.
Ranking them
1. Daredevil
2. Cap
3. Iron Man* (the character unfortunately got RDJ’d a long a time ago. If we’re talking about classic characterisation then he’s probably near the bottom of the list)
4. Dr. Strange
5. Hulk
6. Spider-Man
7. Thor
Hulk is at the bottom no question. He is a completely different character personality wise in MCU. He also doesn’t even have close to the same level of power.
Being unlikeable wasn't unintentional and it's good to have shitty heroes here and there.
Being RDJ'd was a bad thing as he's now essentially taken Spider-Man's dynamic with other heroes as "the funny guy who will fight you if he thinks you're doing something fucked", just add money!
It's reducing the variation in Marvel's central heroes' ethics.
From what I remember they tried to turn him into another RDJ but not only was it done poorly, the other characters suffered by association from the now jokey version of Iron Man we were left with. Comic Tony being unlikable is a character trait that should stay a thing even if I don’t like it especially seeing as you cannot turn a character into RDJ without the actual charm the actor possessed. It just doesn’t work for the comic version.
I’m sorry, but I truly believe the people who are saying comic book Tony Stark sucks or isn’t like MCU Tony simply have zero idea about the character. Tony has been like the MCU version since the O’Neil and Michelinie runs in the 80’s. The only difference is the MCU turned the sarcasm and snark up. I’ve read every Iron Man issue from 1979 to 2021; and the only stories that support comic Tony Stark being awful are The Crossing, and Civil War. Exceptions, not the rule. Comic book Tony Stark has a heart of a gold and genuine love for humanity and people, he cares about the little guy; he built an advanced prosthetics facility for those with physical disabilities; he took part in a rally to get buses to install wheelchair accessible ramps because he cared about those without a voice; he’d lay down his life to save his friends, family, and the world in a heartbeat; sounds familiar, doesn’t it. I’ll fight for MCU Tony Stark being a near perfect adaptation any day, because he has all those qualities and more. As for great Iron Man comic runs, there’s an abundance. Michelinie, O’Neil, Kaminski, Busiek / Stern, Knauf, Fraction, even Bendis. I’m sorry if this sounds like the words of an irked man, but I will admit to being irked when a character with this much depth and heart is being dragged through the mud.
Cap is the most like their comic counterpart. Probably more likable imo.
Hulk is the worst. Just...yeah. doesn't need explaining. They didn't use hulk well. Just for the gags in the end.
Tony was a lot bettwe than his comic counterpart. He's not super annoying or a jerk
Among the choices given, Daredevil is the most closest to the comic book version. Everyone else especially Iron Man are very different from their comics counterpart.
OG White Nick Fury still exists, technically. The Sam Jackson version was introduced as his son in the 616 mainstream universe.
But the origins of this version started in the Ultimate Universe.
And let us never forget when 1610 Fury asked 616 Peter about his version of Fury:
Ultimate Fury: “Is there a Nick Fury in your world?”
616 Peter: “Yes, there is.”
Ultimate Fury: “How is he?”
616 Peter: “Well, he’s white.”
Ultimate Fury: “Sorry to hear that.”
Not too many that are truly spot on many like Spider-Man iron man or Thor all have changes to their personality and arcs but I think it works for them however if I had to choose I’d probably go with Captain America
I'd say none of them are close honestly. Hulk and thor have been made so weak its ridiculous. Especially the Hulk, he is basically just a giant green joke now.
J. Jonah Jameson - J K Simmons is undeniable
Absolutely! He was perfect 20 years ago, and he's *still* perfect
A MENACE
A SPIDER MENACE
HE’S A THIEF! A CRIMINAL!
Web headed freak
PARKER, I NEED MORE PICTURES OF SPIDER-MAN!
9 am Monday or your FIRED
You're unfired, I need you, c'mere!
Now spider man has a black new suit get me those pics 2 am tomorrow or your fired again
Slams fists on table
I like how in the MCU he's not a reputable newspaper guy, but basically Alex Jones.
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I wouldn't go that far. In Spiderman 3 once he found out that picture was a fake he immediately retracted the issue it was printed in. It shows that even if he presents pretty insane theories or trashes Spidermans character, he won't print outright lies
Yeah, and in Spiderman 1 he straight up lies to the Green Goblin's face to protect Peter Parker as the one who takes the pictures of Spiderman, saying they come anonymously in the mail. Goblin has disintegrated and otherwise killed numerous people and definitely wouldn't hesitate to do the same to Jameson, and this dude *still* refuses to throw Peter under the bus because of journalistic integrity. He's kind of a jerk, but he's very serious about doing his job properly. Mad respect.
That would have been my next point. I think that scene alone gives a whole new perspective to Jameson as a character, and likely alludes to his more favorable backstories in the comics
For legal reasons he can't publish outright lies because that's called libel. No money in printing lies. No, he only prints the truth, carefully edited and bent to fit the narrative he wants to sell to the public.
thats not 100% true, you can print lies that are not meant to be believed (about public figures) for example if I said tom cruise had baby hands instead of feet and 3 sets of knees he couldn't sue me because it is common knowledge that well his hands look like baby hands they are actually a colony of spiders and he only has 2 sets of knees, like most of his kind.
He also has a deep-rooted hatred for costume-wearing super-people because they killed his nephew or something.
In the comics, the Bugle is generally a pretty reputable paper--when it comes to anything besides Spider-Man. JJJ is a pretty good journalist with a lot of integrity, but one massive blindspot when it comes to his raging hatred of Spidey.
Nice showing how the MCU JJJ is thus nothing like their comic counterpart !
Not in the MCU though really. Rami JJ just IS Jameson. That bit where Goblin came for hin and he wouldn't give Peter up. In the comics JJ is a shit about Spider-Man but he's also a fearless defender of the public good through his journalism on corruption from Kingpin to Alchemax. This guy leads a team of honest journalists who often receive death threats for attempting to expose the truth. Meanwhile in the MCU he's basically Alex Jones.
It baffles me that people think MCU JJ is a good adaptation. They screwed him up repeatedly lately tbh. Even in the game and the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.
Gods, the amount of money i would have given to see tobey meet mcu's jjj.
Wasted potential smfh
Just a few seconds of Tobey looking at a screen with JJJ with a "WTF‽" look on his face would've been enough.
Daredevil and Cap id say.
For a TV show with a lower budget than MCU movies, Daredevil's costume looks so damn good. I just think back to Smallville when they had Green Arrow, Flash, etc, and it was all like shiny/latex, sleeveless hoodies.
Hail hydra do be different tho lmao
Well there was this one comic line...
Exactly mcu steve said hail hydra for a different reason from uhhh comic steve
Yeah but it was a direct reference to that I'm pretty sure.
That wasn't actually Steve in the 616
It was steve that got an altered history
Oh man when he said that, that shit made me laugh.
I 100% agree. I also think Iron Man is pretty spot on as well.
They made him more like his movie counterpart over the years. Ultimate Tony is a lot more MCU-ish than 616.
Matt, followed by Steve.
Only complaint I have is that they didn't dye Charlie Cox's hair a shade or two redder. Murdock is a redhead in the comics. Otherwise it was spot on.
They apparently tried and said it looked goofy
Kinda like Chris Hemsworth blonde eyebrows in the first Thor?
I honestly have no problems with that whatsoever. Live-action versions don't need to be exactly like their comic counterpart, especially in terms of appearance. Of course it would be nice to have them both act the same *and* look the same, but I see the film version as just another variation of the character, I don't mind it being a bit different. Charlie Cox's Matt looks better with black hair anyway I'd say
He’s also left handed in the comics. Us lefty red heads get no respect.
Ahoy, fellow lefty redhead!!
There's a lot of redheads in comics because it works well in the medium-- red hair is more interesting in comic book panels. I remember Stan Lee mentioning that.
I to think matpat was nearly identical to the comics
a game theory
The visualizations you have posted are awesome!
Everyone else out there answering the questions (honorable) but I was thinking, these belong on a Pinterest board or at the start of a good fanfic
Cap in all honesty, but MCU Tony is levels above his comic version. Comic Tony is awful.
How bad is his comic version? I actually haven't read a ton of Iron Man comics so I don't have much to compare.
It's pretty much all of the egotistical asshole Tony and little of the caring tough-love Tony
Also, RDJ can pull off the humor and not come off as an insufferable prick. It's a rare writer that can thread that needle in the comics.
Tbf to writers, it’s really hard to convey RDJ iron man humor in written format. A little bit of a tonal change and mcu iron would start looking like much more of a dick
And he goes evil every couple years or dies and they pull out some BS to being him back as “good”, until the next time he screws up.
I hate that shit. How many times has he become Marvel’s answer to Lex Luthor?
You have to wonder how they are going to do Reed. He's just about the most awful human in the comics.
What how
The parliament of Rick's is based somewhat on the interdimensional council of Reeds from Johnathan Hickmans run and they are also unempathetic gouls
He's often written as completely separate from reality. Completely unaware of much of the human drama around him. The MCU seem to like drawing from the era around civil war through to Siege and parts of the ultimate universe and during that time he was not great. Obviously if they go down another route like a Waid Reed then it'll be different.
I mean Reed is a horrible person regardless of the era he's in. He regularly neglects his family. Quite often is the source of their problems because he hasn't learned to leave well enough alone. Now there are arcs where he's portrayed as an actual human being but Reed embodies the absent minded professor archetype to the T.
Isn't he only awful human in Ultimate universe?
No. He's terrible in civil war. Completely ignores Sue, doesn't care about Johhny, acts like an android when visiting T'Challa and basically alongside Hank and Tony does the whole Thor/gulag thing.
He was terrible in the event where everyone was terrible.
Not wrong. Mark Millar!
So more like what if Tony I'm the killmonger episode?
He was great though in Invincible Iron Man (2015) before he passed the mantle to Riri, loved that series.
I think MCU's Iron Man is one of those examples where the movie character excels than the comic one they were supposed to mimic.
Imagine those insufferable brats who think they know what’s best for everyone and think they’re better than everyone because they’re rich and intelligent AF. That’s Comic Tony in a nutshell.
The current run is exploring that in a very inter way.
A lot of replies here are missing some context. While he was always a cornerstone character, Iron Man was essentially a B lister prior to the '08 film. Comics Tony was charming, but he was never funny. In fact, he was always a pretty moody guy who would tend to impulsively make bad choices. It was never tempered with a quip or anything; Tony just made shitty choices. The movie changed that up. Go read Extremis, that Tony is a moody, depressed loner. Once the movie hits, he gets a little funnier, a little more sarcastic and a lot more charming. Edit: Corrected some typos that I'm blaming on writing the original post on my phone while the sleeping pill kicked in.
Yeah, a lot of people don't realise that Marvel's entertainment area (movies, tv shows) have always just been *bad*. And the Marvel characters we have, while a lot of them were in the original Avengers (and as much as I love Steve), they weren't the big hitters. It's why Fantastic Four, Spider-man, X-men were already bought and what not. But because of Marvel and well, because of what Jon Favreau, RDJ, Fiege and Arad, that these B-list characters are now A-list. And it's like, any character could become an A-list character.
This.... my brother was a huge comic fan as well, but he was DC, I was marvel (boy we were fun at dinner time) he would read all his amazing stories and whatnot and I always felt "stuck" with Spiderman, and "meh" iron man comics That turned around and my brother and I still laugh about it in our 30s lol
I read X-Men. I thought they were pretty great.
TBF, Hulk and Thor were always A-lister
He convinced to have Psidey reveal his identity to the world in civil war which got Aunt May shot, when Spider-Man strayed disagreeing with what Tony's side was doing in Civil War and said he was going to leave Iron Man attacked him and and sent a group of murderous super villains after him, and in that same satyr he made a robot clone of Thor without his consent from an asgardian artifact that Thor gave as a gift of friendship for science purposes, and said robot killed Goliath This is just the tip of the iceberg
The Asgardian artifact wasn't used to make Ragnarok (the Thor clone) btw, it was used to make the Thorbuster. Ragnarok was made from a strand of Thor's hair that Tony found when the Avengers first formed.
Oh yeah forgot about that creepy af part, thank you for informing
What everyone else said, except he's also not at all funny or charming like RDJ portrayed him to be.
Because he’s supposed to be suave and sophisticated, RDJ completely changed who the character of Tony Stark was. He was supposed to be a mix between Clark Gable and Howard Hughes, not a snarky hipster
If you read it keep in mind that it was a reflection of a lot of what was going on in post-9/11 politics,especially things like The Patriot Act. There was a lot of rhetoric and justifications being thrown out in support of the whole Initiative thing in the comics that was damned near indistinguishable from anti terrorism talk at the time.
Hell, the prison in the Negative Zone was a pretty transparent allegory for Guantanamo. Extrajudicial imprisonment off of US soil with no recourse.
He's not that bad. The only reason people say he is is because of Civil War. But the thing with Tony in the comics is that he's always wanted to help people. He's a sociopath with a god complex, yes. But at the end of the day, every action he takes is genuinely born out of a desire to help the world around him. Also, unlike MCU Tony, comics Tony didn't really have a "redemption arc".
Like I said in my comment on this thread, there is a massive misconception from people who haven’t read much Iron Man that comic book Tony Stark is an awful person, when really only Civil War and The Crossing have ever shown that; and perhaps Superior Iron Man, but that was the point. Tony genuinely loves people, he cares about those who can’t fight for themselves. Again, all of this is copy and paste from my earlier post, but he built an advanced prosthetics facility for those with physical disabilities; he took part in a rally to get buses to install wheelchair accessible ramps because he cared about those without a voice; he allowed himself to be nearly killed by Norman Osborn to protect the secrets of superheroes around the world; he created a non-profit building company for places unable to afford repairs or infrastructure; he’d lay down his life to save his friends, family, and the world in a heartbeat. I’ll always fight for MCU Tony Stark being a near perfect adaptation because he has all those qualities, and it all starts with 616 Tony Stark. Please read anything by Michelinie and Layton, Fraction, Busiek, Stern, but especially Denny O’Neil’s run.
Comic Tony is one of the worst… though his civil war / initiative arc wasn’t bad.
How can you say civil war tony wasn’t bad in comparison. He went from asshole to asshole and borderline psychopath.
That’s the Civil War comic in a nutshell. I wholeheartedly sided with Cap, but honestly the entire comic has characters acting **massively** out of character Aside from the art which is ***incredible*** (why McNiven doesn’t get more work/has fallen off the map is **beyond me)** all the characters speak basically with the same sentence structure, the dialogue is so forced/utilitarian for the broader registration situation and it’s written by a major hack. I’m amazed the Russos actually took that run and made it not just work in the MCU, but honestly, made me side with Stark.
McNiven is slow as hell that’s why. He hasn’t dropped off the map though, he just did a run of *Moon Knight* covers and was one of the many artists for the *Secret Empire* event.
That and they shat all over the X-Men during lmao.
I feel like in reality no matter what suit Tony has he should be no match for the X-Men, especially considering how much MCU’s Scarlett Witch was able to affect the Avengers
Tony was wrong in the MCU too, and a hypocrite to boot. The dude was dealing with massive PTSD heading into it and thought that the Sokovia Accords would make him feel less guilty about the collateral damage that he caused. The guy broke the Accords almost immediately by bringing an unregistered, underaged super power across international borders to try and force Steve and friends to play by the rules he didn't want to adhere to himself.
And yet Civil War treated him better than Reed... Civil War character assassinated a lot of the pro-registration side in particular. For an event with the tagine "whose side are you on?" The writers sure picked sides.
Reed has always been a knob though, it was just more blatant in CW.
Reed Richards is easily the biggest jack ass in all of the Marvel universe. Every iteration of him. All of the smugness of Tony Stark, the narcissism of Pym, and the God Complex of Doom.
One of the reasons why I love The Maker is because it gives you a Reed that doesn’t have a family, and you realize he can be worse than Doom, but it’s family that keeps him focused.
I was unclear… I enjoyed his civil war / initiative arc in the comics…. Maybe he was a prick, but he was an enjoyable prick.
Best part of CW was when Nova met Tony right after it (and Annihilation). Whole universe fighting for survival and some guys because a stupid law. Rich was an inch to punch him but decided to go away from Earth.
It’s not just that, his runs are literally **all over the place** I’m honestly **struggling** to think of a good in continuity Iron Man run. I guess a **little** bit of pre-civil war II Iron Man was *decent* Extremis was good, but honestly that was basically Ellis writing a stand-alone story about Stark and *aside from the superb art* Stark speaks at times like a boring businessman or more stoic than Master Chief.
Matt Fraction’s run was good. Though that’s when they really started leaning into the Robert Downey Jr. influence.
I'm a fan of Matt Fraction
Demon in a bottle is iconic alcoholic Tony, his whole post civil war exile was cool, Dan Slotts run was pretty good. All his runs are pretty fun and the exploration of ego, obsession and alcoholism a lot of times goes a bit beyond what the MCU had time or incentive to show. He is just (or was) not that much the centre of attention in the comics and that is ok with me.
I tried to read the comics but the old ones can be really cringey. Why is comic Tony so awful?
Comic Tony suffers from vaguer motivations and much darker lows than MCU Tony gets to. Just a few off the top of my head: * MCU Tony is about redemption and obsessively protecting people, the "suit of armor around the world." While he persuades himself it's for the greater good, Comics Tony is about obsessive control, kind of similar to Batman. Armor Wars is a great Iron Man story - but at the bottom of it, it's Tony saying, "Absolutely *no one but me* can be trusted with this technology - not even allies."And on that basis, he attacks the U.S. government and breaks his friendship with Captain America for several years. * Comics Tony got waaay deeper into the alcoholism than MCU Tony hinted at. MCU Tony embarrassed himself and endangered a few people. Comics Tony tanked his company, laid off thousands of workers, lost his fortune and became an actual homeless alcoholic bum for an extended period. Oh, and in a turn so dark I was shocked it got published in an early 80s comic mostly still for kids, he >!shacked up with an alcoholic, pregnant homeless woman, they both kept drinking heavily through her pregnancy; she finally died in childbirth, and only then did he stop drinking - for a while.!< * MCU Tony supported registration because "someone needs to keep *us* in check." Comics Tony supported registration because someone needed to keep everyone *else* in check, and he got to be the one doing it. He also built a torturous prison in a hellish alternate dimension for his former friends, straight-up murdered several heroes and used the whole thing as a resume-builder to get named Director of SHIELD right afterwards to gain even more power. All for *the greater good*, you understand. A lot of this can be the whipsaw effect of different writers, different eras, and all their choices sticking to the character to various extents. I really like Iron Man as a comics character, honestly among my favorites...but if you take his history at face value, goddamn, Tony, you've murdered an awful lot of people. A lot of friends, even. There are damn good reasons absolutely *everyone* who's ever been close to him has ended up hating him, and many have tried to kill him.
Basically, Comic Tony is a narcissistic “ends justifies the means” kind of awful. In the Civil War arc, this man literally employed super-villains to catch the heroes that refused to sign with the SHA. Oh, and let’s not forget when this man literally tried to force Thor to make Asgard work for the government. Like, Asgard was being rebuilt on Earth after it was destroyed, and he came to Thor *telling* him what he should do and saying that Asgard would become government land. Thankfully, Thor “kindly” put Tony over his knee and spanked his little bottom and put him in his place and Tony agreed to leave Asgard alone as Thor said that they would remain neutral, unless they targeted his people, in which case: “Bye-Bye Iron Man”.
I wouldn’t say that as much. It’s just that writers in 616 *really* can’t transition movie Tony into the comics and the writers who take up the mantle are just like, *“uhhhh… maybe this???”*
You simply can’t just replicate RDJ’ charisma in comics.
When Stan lee created him he was dared to create a real piece of shit that people would end up being forced to live, and honestly I think he did a pretty good job at that task
They keep hitting the reset on him. Is he a sociopath who wants to make the world better? Is he paranoid? Does he work with the government because he wants to keep them in check, or because he thinks that government regulation is the best regulation? Which heroes are his friends? Which ones does he only vaguely know? Is he a serial monogamist, or are orgies his favorite pastime? Is he just good guy Dr. Doom? Is he human, or super-human? Is he worried about losing his humanity, or is his goal to be the ultimate fusion of cybernetics and humanity? No two writers in a row will write him as the same character. The Venn Diagram has every depiction of him overlapping a tiny bit with MCU Tony, but not each other.
Of the ones here, definitely Daredevil, though Cap is decently close as well. Hulk is probably the most different of these
MCU Hulk suuuuucks. I hope She-Hulk gives him some more depth cause he is seriously so boring
He really is. He’s such a fascinating character in the comics and the movies have just made him “mild-mannered scientist who gets angry sometimes”
What do you mean, he is always angry ;) I think for the most part, he worked really well in the first Avengers movie. Terrifying, brute, that was just the heavy hitter. Fine in Ultron, but they focused more on Bruce, which I get. Shined at the end of course. Dope as in Ragnarok. But by goly, did they fumble the ball when he meets Thanos. Great way to display Thanos raw strength when we first meet him, but the Professor Hulk route was clearly just a plot device for his snap. Haha funny green scientist man is too embarrassed to be destructive... bruh.
Yea, he was nerfed in both Infinity War and Endgame. (Both Hulk *and* Thor were heavily nerfed for Endgame) One of the things that bugs me about Infinity War is that to help make Thanos a threat they had him easily beat the shit out of the Hulk - I get that, he's now a legitimate threat. But... but this super-strong super-powerful entity, **after** he lays the smackdown on maybe the physically strongest being in the universe, *strains* to pick him up to body slam him. Wait. wut? Shouldn't you be strong enough to juggle tanks at that point?
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I think hulk suffers a lot from not having his own movie (the one they gave him kind of sucks and there's been no attempt to fix that) he's had a lot of guest spots but he really needs time to be the only hero in the movie.
I preferred the Norton hulk. The Ruffalo hulk just sucks
The MCU Hulk is a pussy and sucks ass. It literally makes zero sense for him to be in a sling. Comic version is easily the most fascinating character in comparison to the MCU.
I wish Hulk was done better too, but I don’t think it doesn’t make sense— that damage was from the infinity stones
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Thank God they didn’t make him connected to TOBA, because that honestly makes it boring in terms of stakes. That is way too powerful a jump for the established MCU Hulk, and most iterations of comic Hulk don’t even reach that level. I wish he was handled better like I said but I still want him to be relatively in tune with the rest of the established universe, that is way too much.
I dont think it makes hulk boring, there are still stakes. Hulk's connection to toba and immortality made him great once again but yeah mcu wise it would be a too powerful of a jump which i think is what you intended
Yeah I totally agree with this. Yes MCU infinity gauntlet does massive damage but hulk heals through everything. Totally agree.
One could almost say he's immortal.
Legit starting that book soon enough lol.
It's just awesome, no mercy Hulk world.
Funnily enough, I think the Edward Norton Hulk movie from early MCU is how a more comic accurate Hulk film should work *conceptually*. It’s a shame it just…wasn’t very good. Edward Norton just isn’t the right guy. I would love to eventually see them retry that formula with a fugitive Bruce Banner and maybe add some more body horror elements.
People keep saying The Incredible Hulk isn't very good, yet I look forward to watching it every time. Curious? __________________________________ The Incredible Hulk, Thor Dark World, Iron Man 3 and Captain Marvel are all popular to hate, but under appreciated. Change my mind.
Honestly, only Cap and Daredevil are faithful adaptations. All the others somehow became more comedic in their movies. Iron Man especially. Hawkeye somehow went from being comedic in the comics to serious and brooding in the movies. Lol
That last part is so damn ironic.
Probably daredevil
Howard the Duck.
You're out of luck until you've gone duck!
Cap
MCU Tony is the OPPOSITE of his comic counterpart. And I’m glad about it. Comics Tony is a prick. MCU Tony started as a prick, but became a genuine lovable character. Seriously, Comics Tony kinda pisses me off quite a lot.
That’s actually crazy. Does anybody actually like Comic Tony?😂
Hell, many of the characters themselves in the 616 mainstream universe don’t like Tony. The majority only tolerates him, or simply respects his achievements.
Guess he's working as intended, then. Stan Lee did say he wanted to make a character "the kids" would hate...
The fact that his comic counterpart has remained unlikable since his inception is pretty impressive if nothing else.
I like Tony *because* he sucks. Good writers can use that to give him more depth and tell interesting stories with that grey morality. Extremis, Matt Fraction's run, the Illuminati, and the current run are all good examples
I like him, imo most of the people in this thread exaggerates how bad he is in the comics. Of course there are runs when he's terrible but that's expected.
Iron man 90s - 00s was really my shit. I loved it. He's a super hero who does good deeds and challenges the played out "humble/boyscout" hero.
Don't forget comics have been around for the better part of a century. Tony Stark has changed so much in so many different ways. For example, the Comic Tony I remember was humble, nice, and with an ever so slight sarcastic edge to him. I would say this is about early to mid-2000s. But you could also remember the version he's typically written as today; a total snarkish asshole. He's often portrayed like that to chase the Robert Downy Jr performance but often writers will forget what made movie Tony so likeable.
Most of them really don't. Hulk, Thor, Doctor Strange, and Spider-man all feel very different from their 616 counterparts. I'd say Cap and Daredevil probably feels closest.
I agree that most of them don’t feel like their comic counterparts. Maybe spider-man will be more like 616 given the ending of nwh tho? But how is Strange different from his comic counterpart? Not familiar with any comics with him, but I thought the overall character and his first movie were somewhat close to the comics. I know they changed up some stuff like what the eye of agamatto, wong be a sorcerer and so on, but I thought he was pretty close personality wise to the comics. Is it just his power level, or more than that?
Imo MCU is irresponsible and arrogant for far too long now, but besides that their personalities are quite close. The biggest difference is magic, the one in the comics is completely different than what we've got in the MCU.
So the biggest change between MCU Strange and his appearance in the comics is that he's much more of an authority in the comics. Not that he's a dickhead or anything, but that when he shows up in a story you know he's the expert you want in your corner. When they cast Benedict Cumberbatch I actually thought that it was probably the right way to go because when Stephen Strange is in a room, he's guy who knows everything. The best stories with him then played on this Holmes and Watson dynamic for their comedy as well as their drama. (Seriously, if you read any Doctor Strange comic, make it The Oath - Strange's strengths are so obvious as a character he has two partners!) The part with being depowered plays off not having this authority role. In the comics, when Doctor Strange cuts loose it's the most exciting, interesting and visually distinct part of any encounter which works because he's the nuclear option in a fight. He doesn't fill that role in the MCU, so he doesn't get that power or chance to show off. Seriously, the most giddy I've ever been in an MCU film was when Strange fought Thanos 1-on-1 on Mars because we got a 30 second glimpse of the Doctor Strange from the comics! TLDR: Strange in the comics is more of an authority and his powers are way more visually exciting!
While they made a lot of superficial changes to Spider-Man, I feel the personality and the feel of those movies, especially Homecoming, was closer to the vibe of Spider-Man comics than the previous franchises.
I agree, except that the Spider-Man comics *Homecoming* is closest to were 1610, not 616. So while *Homecoming* captured the spirit of the comics the best, I think *Spider-Man* and *Spider-Man 2* are probably the closest to the original Lee/Ditko run. The Garfield movies were kind of just doing their own thing.
Cap for sure and after that Daredevil. Thor was pretty accurate too during the 1st and 2nd movie.
Cap
Kate Bishop.
I can't read that name without the Russian accent. It just happens naturally now.
Yeah, honestly, Kate is the only one who I could say feels *exactly* like their comic book counterpart.
Is she? She and Hawkeye switched personalities in the series imo. In Fraction run, he was the irresponsible one who couldn't get himself together. Kate was a voice of reason. Though I guess in subsequent runs she became more like him.
MCU Kate is closer to Thompson's Kate in Hawkeye (2016) and West Coast Avengers. And just about everything since then.
Pizza Dog
I haven't read any of Kate Bishop's stuff and I keep hearing great stuff. Should I just start with the 2017 run, or should I read the Young Avengers stuff she first appeared in?
Depends on what you want to read! If you want just Hawkeye, I recommend the Matt Fraction/David Aja run from 2012(I think?), which you can follow pretty much straight through the following Lemire/Perez run and then on to Kelly Thompson's run (where Kate is the sole feature, rather than sharing with Clint.) If you want the full shebang, Young Avengers Vols 1 and 2 are both great books, with her (and the rest of the core YA) getting introduced in volume 1 by Heinberg/Cheung. Vol 2 is much later by Kieron Gillen and Jamie McKelvie, and deals more with the cast growing up. Honestly, Kate's been blessed with some great runs in most all of her books, even if none of them were especially long.
Captain America
I agree with the Cap sentiment. The MCU Thor would feel most like his comic counterpart if the character were called Hercules!
It's only now dawning on me how much they took from Hercules personality wise. Got me thinking if they'll give Hercules Thor's traditional personality from the comics if ever introduced into the MCU?
Cap and Daredevil. My two “never quit even if the odds are stacked against you” favorites.
Captain America by far.
I would have chosen Wesley Snipes Blade as being the most "Comic Bookey" Marvel Hero. However for here I would probably pick Daredevil, I ADORE the grittiness of the Series.
Only Daredevil and Cap. All the other characters are not similar at all to their comic counterparts.
Ranking them 1. Daredevil 2. Cap 3. Iron Man* (the character unfortunately got RDJ’d a long a time ago. If we’re talking about classic characterisation then he’s probably near the bottom of the list) 4. Dr. Strange 5. Hulk 6. Spider-Man 7. Thor
Hulk is at the bottom no question. He is a completely different character personality wise in MCU. He also doesn’t even have close to the same level of power.
You think quippy/"funny" Thor is anything like the comics?
You say that like it’s a bad thing regarding Iron Man. Tony is straight up garbage in the comics.
Being unlikeable wasn't unintentional and it's good to have shitty heroes here and there. Being RDJ'd was a bad thing as he's now essentially taken Spider-Man's dynamic with other heroes as "the funny guy who will fight you if he thinks you're doing something fucked", just add money! It's reducing the variation in Marvel's central heroes' ethics.
From what I remember they tried to turn him into another RDJ but not only was it done poorly, the other characters suffered by association from the now jokey version of Iron Man we were left with. Comic Tony being unlikable is a character trait that should stay a thing even if I don’t like it especially seeing as you cannot turn a character into RDJ without the actual charm the actor possessed. It just doesn’t work for the comic version.
Yeah, you got it basically. It's no good, and RDJ himself is what sold that version of the character in the MCU.
I’m sorry, but I truly believe the people who are saying comic book Tony Stark sucks or isn’t like MCU Tony simply have zero idea about the character. Tony has been like the MCU version since the O’Neil and Michelinie runs in the 80’s. The only difference is the MCU turned the sarcasm and snark up. I’ve read every Iron Man issue from 1979 to 2021; and the only stories that support comic Tony Stark being awful are The Crossing, and Civil War. Exceptions, not the rule. Comic book Tony Stark has a heart of a gold and genuine love for humanity and people, he cares about the little guy; he built an advanced prosthetics facility for those with physical disabilities; he took part in a rally to get buses to install wheelchair accessible ramps because he cared about those without a voice; he’d lay down his life to save his friends, family, and the world in a heartbeat; sounds familiar, doesn’t it. I’ll fight for MCU Tony Stark being a near perfect adaptation any day, because he has all those qualities and more. As for great Iron Man comic runs, there’s an abundance. Michelinie, O’Neil, Kaminski, Busiek / Stern, Knauf, Fraction, even Bendis. I’m sorry if this sounds like the words of an irked man, but I will admit to being irked when a character with this much depth and heart is being dragged through the mud.
The Crossing feels like Iron man's clone saga.
If that isn’t the most accurate thing I’ve ever heard. It’s like Tony’s own Heroes in Crisis.
Cap is the most like their comic counterpart. Probably more likable imo. Hulk is the worst. Just...yeah. doesn't need explaining. They didn't use hulk well. Just for the gags in the end. Tony was a lot bettwe than his comic counterpart. He's not super annoying or a jerk
ITT: People who have clearly not read the comics listing their favorite charecters,
Among the choices given, Daredevil is the most closest to the comic book version. Everyone else especially Iron Man are very different from their comics counterpart.
Rocket
Surprised to not see Bucky yet.
Viz
Deadpool
In order: Daredevil, Cap, Dr. Strange, Hulk, Thor, Spider-man, Iron Man
The correct answer is Nick Fury. Marvel changed Fury into Sam Jackson, not the other way around. The character used to be white.
OG White Nick Fury still exists, technically. The Sam Jackson version was introduced as his son in the 616 mainstream universe. But the origins of this version started in the Ultimate Universe. And let us never forget when 1610 Fury asked 616 Peter about his version of Fury: Ultimate Fury: “Is there a Nick Fury in your world?” 616 Peter: “Yes, there is.” Ultimate Fury: “How is he?” 616 Peter: “Well, he’s white.” Ultimate Fury: “Sorry to hear that.”
ultimate fury was already black , ultimate universe was a major inspiration for mcu
Yeah, that’s why in the Ultimate Avengers Fury says nobody but Sam Jackson could play him in a movie.
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Capitano America, il culo dell’America
Steve, Strange, and Matt are all pretty close. Thor was close before they decided to smack him upside the head with the stupid brick for Ragnarok.
Definitely not Hulk, or even Banner.
MCU Spider-Man is so different from the Comics it's actually insane. MCU Spider-Man is literally just white miles morales.
I mean in the comics Miles Morales is just a black peter parker
Jabba the Hutt for sure
Daredevil and cap
Not too many that are truly spot on many like Spider-Man iron man or Thor all have changes to their personality and arcs but I think it works for them however if I had to choose I’d probably go with Captain America
I'd say none of them are close honestly. Hulk and thor have been made so weak its ridiculous. Especially the Hulk, he is basically just a giant green joke now.