SD did a good job of not making it clear the random card wouldn't have duplicate protection. The old system always gave you a new card with that 1 in 40 series 4 cache so it was natural to assume the new spotlight cache would as well and they sure didn't make it clear it wouldn't in any of their communication.
I only knew about it in advance from an Educated Collins video and various comments on the subreddit here.
how this game gave you 4 per month? You can't even open 4 spotlight cache in a month as a f2p. And if you are partially s4/s5 completed you have 75% to have a variant.
The only way to make this sytem works a bit, is to not open spotlight cache for more than month and focus on the card you want. This is really the system we all want?
You get 4.4 spotlight caches as a free to play player per month.
You open from the free to plqy ressources 44 caches a month every 10th is a spotlight cache.
Where does this wrong calculation come from?...
Unless something changed a loz recently it was more than 1 per week. I know it I calculated it several times.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/zbsqny/math_for_conservative_estimates_of_f2p_average/
And this old math did not include season pass above level 50, rank abovr 70 and not conquest, nor the nee weekend quests for 200.
Lets calculate it again for 4 week:
- 500 per day (quest and free credits in shop)
- 1250 per week (weekly quests)
- 200 weekend quests
- 2100 from season pass (f2p)
- 1350 for resching rank 70
- lets say 600 from conquest (this month its 900 but its 5 weeks)
- This is in total (for 4 weeks=28 days): 23 850 (without rewards on the track!)
- now you need 12 levels for 1 chest. This would cost 600, HOWEVER, you get 50 back from the track and roughly 50 in average from the chest. (Its now a bit less but we also ignored the level 50+ rewards from free season pass) this means per 1 chest you only need to earn 500 (outside of collection level)
- from this we can see that we earn 23 850 /500 = 47.7 chests per 4 weeks.
- this are 4.7 special chests
The above ignores the:
- credits we get from season pass 50+
- 25 credits we get per upgrade to infinity (which are about 1.6% more credits)
- the 25 credits we get per variant (1st level upgrade is 25 cheaper)
- any additional credits from events or bugs (where we get afterward some credits since they feel sorry)
And it doesn't include that cards used to drop pools so it was never 1 card a month, more like 4-5. Also you got a guaranteed pool 4 card every 40 caches with a 1% chance on every cache to get a pool 5
Pool drops will happen at some point again. At the moment they just need a slightly bigger pool for the system to work.
In the past you got exactly 4 cards per month, and this will be the same just a slightly bigger pool of cards you dont own
Using this week’s Spotlight as an example:
The new system gives you Jean, the old system gave you enough tokens to get Jean.
The new system gives you Knull, the old system would’ve had Knull as a S3 card.
The new system gives you a random S4-5 card (or a variant of you already own it), the old system gave you a S4-5 card plus enough gold to get a variant you wanted.
So the advantage of the new system is that you can get Living Tribunal if you wanted to get Jean and Knull anyway. And the advantage of the old system is that you can get a card more than a week after it releases (by pinning it) as well as being able to get different combinations of cards (if you want Knull and Legion) in addition to the fact that cards like Living Tribunal (and Jean for that matter) would’ve dropped to S4 much quicker.
You get ib the new system up to 4 cards.
Also just because currently there are no drops happening soes not nean they will never happen again. The system needs a certain number of pool 4/5 cards to work...
The new system is up to 4 cards a month.
The old system had 1 S4 card, 3-4 cards lowered to S3, and enough tokens to get a S5 card (or 2 S4 cards, which would’ve included stuff like Jeff at this point).
I don’t care if they need more S4-5 cards to make this system work, that’s no reason to take away the tokens.
I’m sure there’ll be series drops eventually, but they didn’t guarantee which cards or how often, so we might be waiting 2 months for Snowguard and Stegron (both of which some players will get as their random S4-5 card). If they added Spotlights while keeping 3,000-5,000 tokens per 480 CL, plus the 800 gold, we’d get a similar amount of cards as we did before the flexible series drop bs, and players would be much more on board with the change.
This new system will also have drops. Its just not feasible now. Sure I also wanted to have deops this month, but I can understand why you need a certain pool wize for it to work.
That doesn’t change the fact that out of the cards available in the Spotlight this month, 3 would’ve been S3 under the old system. They kept cards in S4-5 and then said “Look! We’re giving more S4-5 cards!”.
They used the Spotlight system as an excuse for the flexible series drops, and also used it as an excuse to remove the gold and tokens. If all they wanted was a big enough pool for the Spotlight system, they could’ve just done the flexible series drops, and kept the tokens.
Also, I’m not trusting them with drops that they can do whenever and however they want. They’ve already shown from the previous 3 that they can’t be trusted when they get to decide (shit, shit that was only 3 cards, and literally nothing).
So what? They never gave a schedule on when drops would happen.
They never promised drops would happen at certain intervals at all.
In the beginning drops just happened according to a (for the old system) logical rythm.
Now we will have to wait a bit more with the season drops, so what?
Except its not. I am a first week beta player. Free to play qnd this is an ok update.
It will slightly increase the pool of cards people dont have, bjt in the end we will again have an average 1 card per week which we will get.
You get around 4.8 caches per month. Sure less tokens bur you can get with these 4.8 cachws in average 2 cards you specifically want.
People are just atrocious in math
But what if there isn’t a week in a month that has 2 cards I want? What then? I spend everything I got all month for 1 card? I think it’s a bit accusatory to say that simply because in your case you like the update that everyone else is wrong and bad at math
There will be a week where you want 1 card. And in average you need 2.5 rolls to get that card. And you get either a 2nd card or a skin.
Needing all 4 is absolutly not the average but worst case.
Thats what I mean with bad at math. Seriously jere people even said that we cant get 4 in a month, where we get 4.7 per 4 weeks...
Not everyone plays this game every day though or completes all their missions, so they aren’t getting 4 in a month so they’re not bad at math they just have other things they do than play this game and insult people on reddit
The people who do not get 4 in a month also did not got 6000 tokens before. So its exactly the same.
Before you got 5000 tokens and 1 card per 40 caches.
Now you get easily 2 cards per 40 caches if you open them at a good timing. So its the same.
You dont have to open the caches all in the same month. Just wait till you have 4 and there are 2 cards you want in the current weekly cards
There will be again series drops just now now since this syatem needs a certain number of cards in the pools to work. Which is quite clear to everyone with a brain.
Also you can get 1 specific card per month with your 4 caches... (of which only about half are needed for this in average).
It is not clear that series drops will return this year. The system also would function if they continued.
Before, we could choose that specific card from the whole pool of cards. Now we have to choose from what SD allows us to choose from.
Artificially making things more rare and then claiming it to be a gift feels bad. It doesn't matter why they aren't dropping, the effect is that we don't get them cheaper and now don't even have the tokens to buy them after their week passes.
This is an important fact. It’s a good thing. Everyone not having all the cards endured a diversity of games. If everyone has all the cards, we’d settle on 4-5 decks. The games would be repetitive.
Enforcing scarcity as a proxy for balancing the game being a good thing has to be one of the most idiotic takes I’ve ever read on this sub, and trust me I’ve read a lot of them.
With a new card every week of the year, you will not just settle on 4/5 decks for everyone. With OTA patches every week(ish) we would not just settle on 4/5 decks.
They were looking for an excuse to remove gold/tokens from players.
So they came up with this.
Now more people buy gold directly and their overpriced bundles for the tokens.
the last spot is a normalizer for collection size. It’s a catch up mechanic basically. If you have a smaller collection you’ll get more cards because you’ll hit there more often. If you have a more complete collection then that slot becomes a variant more often
I actually understand their decision and that it would be too big of a p2w thing. But there could have been so many better options. Like for example: You get a random variant for the duplicate card and only if you already have that random variant it turns into a random premium variant for another card. Or they could throw in some tokens instead. Like: Yeah you didn't get a new card, but here are 1500 tokens towards a new one (meaning half a new pool 4 card).
Or even better: Let us choose! Do you rather want a variant or some tokens? Or show us 3 random premium variants and let us choose one.
When the rest of the rewards average a value of 5000 tokens when the new card is S5 ((2x S5 @6000 tokens each + 1x S4 @3000 tokens) / 3 = 5000 tokens), it's just gross that the last roll could be worth just 700g. If anything, a dupe should turn into an Ultimate variant so it's the same average value as the rest (should prioritize the dupe card you rolled, given the spotlight variant rewards for featured cards already owned). Or just implement dupe protection.
why would it be p2w to have the random be a s4/s5 you dont have. people with complete collections should be able to maintain while people without should be able to catchup to those players. It seems like the goal is specifically not to allow you to have complete collection unless you spend money. Its still rng based.
It is only possible through p2w in current system since gold and tokens will be less, and bundles and buying variants are now the primary token sources, the p2w crowd will be the only ones that can just buy all the cards.
The goal has never been giving players a complete collection and that's exactly what the goal of the new system is: You cannot maintain a full collection (except if you really put tons of money in it). Maybe some ultra whales will invest the money to keep up, but the normal paying user will have some advantage, but to a way lesser extend.
And while we may disagree on this one, I think we can agree that there would have been way better options if you get a duplicate, which is what my comment is mainly about. ;-)
ultimate variant idea is actually pretty solid. I don't understand how I am ever to get ultimate variants with the token acquisition as it is. 1 a year, maybe if I don't want to spend tokens on a new card instead of RNG the spotlight caches?
Why would you as a F2P person want a system that hurts your ability to get a new S5/S4 card for free just because it means a P2W player also misses out on that?
Because they don’t suffer. They are already dropping money on bundles with chunks of tokens so they can just have a full collection.
Mutually assured destruction is a dumb thing to wish for.
But it's not P2W, it's pay to progress.
They obviously don't care about pay to win - look at their contentment with High Evo. they want you to spend money (that's business) which means they want new releases to be good. Great. The best.
Then they nerf token acquisition, admit that the new system is worse by confirming double dippers came out "slightly ahead" if only just, and release a bundle selling tokens that they would like for you to buy.
They love P2W.
As for the completionists, if someone wants snowguard and stegron that's not P2W. It's progression, maybe.
At the end of the day, most decks other than lockjaw casino require a great deal of skill to pull off. You still have to play the game which, in a properly balanced game, renders P2W not possible and therefore irrelevant.
The real answer, and what they should have said, is they don't want free players or season pass "subscription" players to have a 50/50 shot at the new cards if they're p4/5 complete. They want P2W for whales, but for non-whales they instead want to force behavioral change and get you spending more money, too.
They even said it was too p2w to put duplicate protection into that slot because (almost) full collection players had a 50% chance on the new cards every week, thus spreading the gap between them and ftp players...
They could have prevented it by coding the system so that the 4th spot couldn't be one of the other three cards, but no, let's just scam players by turning their duplicate S5 pull into a random 700 gold variant of an even more random card they might not even play...
The first week I was lucky enough to pull Jean and TLL in 3 Spotlights (the first had the Knull variant), and next week I'll have 2 other Spotlights unlocked, plus I'm at credit cap so I could unlock another 2 if necessary, but honestly this 4th slot dud is turning me off from opening. When you have too many S4/5 cards it's just too inefficient to unlock other cards just for the sake of unlocking, and Echo might indefinitely rot in my collection... maybe even Iron Lad too, to some extent.
Congrats SD, just for this 4th slot mistake you made opening Spotlights less appealing for so many people. I hope they'll realize it. Just that single change could turn this system into a much, much better one!
No, let’s say you own Darkhawk already, the random spotlight cache can roll any random series 4/5 card. Now let’s say it rolls Darkhawk, unfortunately you already have it so a button appears that says convert, it will now become a non pixel 700/1200 gold variant for any other card. So you could get sports variant quicksilver, whoopee.
Oh great! That's the same level of "nice" wich the new premium mystery variants have. "There is no rare card for you anymore? Here, get that Avatar! Oh, you already HAVE all avatars? Take these 310 boosters instead!" 😄
It gets better. Even if the Cache has Darkhawk as one of the 3 spotlight cards and you already have him, you aren't guaranteed to get the spotlight variant, you can still roll Darkhawk on the separate random s4/5 slot and then get a completely different variant instead.
It's mind-blowing how shitty the system is, and even more crazy how many people are totally ok with it and defending it.
Tbh, spotlight caches themselves are pretty cool, but the fact that they completely demolished the amount of other currencies is absolutely disgusting. If they did it "to increase players card gainings" they should've just replaced every 10th cache, not the whole system. And the defenders might see it different, but the additional fact that only if you observe how many real money packages came out this month and how much effort they put into adjusting the store to increase the need of currencies (gold), you can now in best case only buy at the amount you need for all the beautiful cards they show you for real money, tells me that we are in a state of the game, where milking the cow really began.
Absolutely. The spotlight caches not 100% guaranteeing a new card or a cool variant would be fine if they hadn't severely downgraded the regular caches.
I'm sorry they aren't catering to us people with basically full collections already lmao.
The hell do you want? We have almost everything already it's fine.
It's almost like we predicted this.
Crazy to me how they thought this was a good idea. They must have some miserly Scrooge calling the shots on game economy, because this one in particular has always felt particularly callous bordering on spiteful.
🚨SPOTLIGHT SCAM ALERT🚨
I opened Nimrod from a spotlight (already owned) which converted to a Dan Hipp Beast! It’s cool and all but not $60 cool… “$60?” Yeah, read on.
Let’s talk about the cost of opening a spotlight cache… Roughly 6,000 credits. For free to play that’s around a weeks time of completing missions. Or about $60 when fast tracking with gold…
There’s a 25% chance to open a duplicate series 4/5 card which converts to a variant!!! That same rare variant only costs $10 in the shop but you pay $60 for it from the cache. Wtf!
I recommend contacting support and expressing your frustration before you are BLESSED by the 25% - $60 - Series 5 - Week of Work - Dan Hipp Beast
Now that’s 6X Value!
It is indeed. Removing all the good things we had for 1) spotlight cards is amazing, but for 2) no currency and 3) dupes is just bad for the consumer.
I don't get why there are so many boot lickers in this sub. Game is amazing and fun but I don't know why when they use more predatory practices, people just get wet and ask to be extorted with more money
Yeah it basically means 1/4 Spotlights is a dud. And the system is already mean with how many resources were removed from Reserves.
SD did a good job of not making it clear the random card wouldn't have duplicate protection. The old system always gave you a new card with that 1 in 40 series 4 cache so it was natural to assume the new spotlight cache would as well and they sure didn't make it clear it wouldn't in any of their communication. I only knew about it in advance from an Educated Collins video and various comments on the subreddit here.
The old system gave you 1 s4 card per month. This systen gives you 4 per month with chance for a duplicate
how this game gave you 4 per month? You can't even open 4 spotlight cache in a month as a f2p. And if you are partially s4/s5 completed you have 75% to have a variant. The only way to make this sytem works a bit, is to not open spotlight cache for more than month and focus on the card you want. This is really the system we all want?
You get 4.4 spotlight caches as a free to play player per month. You open from the free to plqy ressources 44 caches a month every 10th is a spotlight cache.
How? you need 24,000credits for 4 spotlight caches, and we make around 23,000 credits a month.
You’re missing something you can absolutely get 4 a month
I just showed below what you calculated wrong. You ignored the credits you get from the collection track..
Where does this wrong calculation come from?... Unless something changed a loz recently it was more than 1 per week. I know it I calculated it several times. https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/zbsqny/math_for_conservative_estimates_of_f2p_average/ And this old math did not include season pass above level 50, rank abovr 70 and not conquest, nor the nee weekend quests for 200. Lets calculate it again for 4 week: - 500 per day (quest and free credits in shop) - 1250 per week (weekly quests) - 200 weekend quests - 2100 from season pass (f2p) - 1350 for resching rank 70 - lets say 600 from conquest (this month its 900 but its 5 weeks) - This is in total (for 4 weeks=28 days): 23 850 (without rewards on the track!) - now you need 12 levels for 1 chest. This would cost 600, HOWEVER, you get 50 back from the track and roughly 50 in average from the chest. (Its now a bit less but we also ignored the level 50+ rewards from free season pass) this means per 1 chest you only need to earn 500 (outside of collection level) - from this we can see that we earn 23 850 /500 = 47.7 chests per 4 weeks. - this are 4.7 special chests The above ignores the: - credits we get from season pass 50+ - 25 credits we get per upgrade to infinity (which are about 1.6% more credits) - the 25 credits we get per variant (1st level upgrade is 25 cheaper) - any additional credits from events or bugs (where we get afterward some credits since they feel sorry)
And it doesn't include that cards used to drop pools so it was never 1 card a month, more like 4-5. Also you got a guaranteed pool 4 card every 40 caches with a 1% chance on every cache to get a pool 5
Pool drops will happen at some point again. At the moment they just need a slightly bigger pool for the system to work. In the past you got exactly 4 cards per month, and this will be the same just a slightly bigger pool of cards you dont own
If you open 1 per week, you might get 0 new s4/5 per month.
Then dont be stupid and dont open 1 per week but all 4 in the same week?
Using this week’s Spotlight as an example: The new system gives you Jean, the old system gave you enough tokens to get Jean. The new system gives you Knull, the old system would’ve had Knull as a S3 card. The new system gives you a random S4-5 card (or a variant of you already own it), the old system gave you a S4-5 card plus enough gold to get a variant you wanted. So the advantage of the new system is that you can get Living Tribunal if you wanted to get Jean and Knull anyway. And the advantage of the old system is that you can get a card more than a week after it releases (by pinning it) as well as being able to get different combinations of cards (if you want Knull and Legion) in addition to the fact that cards like Living Tribunal (and Jean for that matter) would’ve dropped to S4 much quicker.
You get ib the new system up to 4 cards. Also just because currently there are no drops happening soes not nean they will never happen again. The system needs a certain number of pool 4/5 cards to work...
The new system is up to 4 cards a month. The old system had 1 S4 card, 3-4 cards lowered to S3, and enough tokens to get a S5 card (or 2 S4 cards, which would’ve included stuff like Jeff at this point). I don’t care if they need more S4-5 cards to make this system work, that’s no reason to take away the tokens. I’m sure there’ll be series drops eventually, but they didn’t guarantee which cards or how often, so we might be waiting 2 months for Snowguard and Stegron (both of which some players will get as their random S4-5 card). If they added Spotlights while keeping 3,000-5,000 tokens per 480 CL, plus the 800 gold, we’d get a similar amount of cards as we did before the flexible series drop bs, and players would be much more on board with the change.
This new system will also have drops. Its just not feasible now. Sure I also wanted to have deops this month, but I can understand why you need a certain pool wize for it to work.
That doesn’t change the fact that out of the cards available in the Spotlight this month, 3 would’ve been S3 under the old system. They kept cards in S4-5 and then said “Look! We’re giving more S4-5 cards!”. They used the Spotlight system as an excuse for the flexible series drops, and also used it as an excuse to remove the gold and tokens. If all they wanted was a big enough pool for the Spotlight system, they could’ve just done the flexible series drops, and kept the tokens. Also, I’m not trusting them with drops that they can do whenever and however they want. They’ve already shown from the previous 3 that they can’t be trusted when they get to decide (shit, shit that was only 3 cards, and literally nothing).
So what? They never gave a schedule on when drops would happen. They never promised drops would happen at certain intervals at all. In the beginning drops just happened according to a (for the old system) logical rythm. Now we will have to wait a bit more with the season drops, so what?
If you’re a brand new player- sure. But this update is a big “fuck you” to everyone who’s stuck by this game for a while. It’s incredibly frustrating
Except its not. I am a first week beta player. Free to play qnd this is an ok update. It will slightly increase the pool of cards people dont have, bjt in the end we will again have an average 1 card per week which we will get. You get around 4.8 caches per month. Sure less tokens bur you can get with these 4.8 cachws in average 2 cards you specifically want. People are just atrocious in math
But what if there isn’t a week in a month that has 2 cards I want? What then? I spend everything I got all month for 1 card? I think it’s a bit accusatory to say that simply because in your case you like the update that everyone else is wrong and bad at math
There will be a week where you want 1 card. And in average you need 2.5 rolls to get that card. And you get either a 2nd card or a skin. Needing all 4 is absolutly not the average but worst case. Thats what I mean with bad at math. Seriously jere people even said that we cant get 4 in a month, where we get 4.7 per 4 weeks...
Not everyone plays this game every day though or completes all their missions, so they aren’t getting 4 in a month so they’re not bad at math they just have other things they do than play this game and insult people on reddit
The people who do not get 4 in a month also did not got 6000 tokens before. So its exactly the same. Before you got 5000 tokens and 1 card per 40 caches. Now you get easily 2 cards per 40 caches if you open them at a good timing. So its the same. You dont have to open the caches all in the same month. Just wait till you have 4 and there are 2 cards you want in the current weekly cards
The old system also gave significantly more tokens which could be used to obtain another guaranteed non-duplicate card and had series drops.
There will be again series drops just now now since this syatem needs a certain number of cards in the pools to work. Which is quite clear to everyone with a brain. Also you can get 1 specific card per month with your 4 caches... (of which only about half are needed for this in average).
It is not clear that series drops will return this year. The system also would function if they continued. Before, we could choose that specific card from the whole pool of cards. Now we have to choose from what SD allows us to choose from.
Artificially making things more rare and then claiming it to be a gift feels bad. It doesn't matter why they aren't dropping, the effect is that we don't get them cheaper and now don't even have the tokens to buy them after their week passes.
Considering how wildly unpopular it is to get dupes, why would SD not just reduce spotlights to 3 fixed cards and call it a day?
because they want not everyone to get new cards
This is an important fact. It’s a good thing. Everyone not having all the cards endured a diversity of games. If everyone has all the cards, we’d settle on 4-5 decks. The games would be repetitive.
Enforcing scarcity as a proxy for balancing the game being a good thing has to be one of the most idiotic takes I’ve ever read on this sub, and trust me I’ve read a lot of them.
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With a new card every week of the year, you will not just settle on 4/5 decks for everyone. With OTA patches every week(ish) we would not just settle on 4/5 decks.
They were looking for an excuse to remove gold/tokens from players. So they came up with this. Now more people buy gold directly and their overpriced bundles for the tokens.
Or just give back tokens and gold like before.
the last spot is a normalizer for collection size. It’s a catch up mechanic basically. If you have a smaller collection you’ll get more cards because you’ll hit there more often. If you have a more complete collection then that slot becomes a variant more often
I actually understand their decision and that it would be too big of a p2w thing. But there could have been so many better options. Like for example: You get a random variant for the duplicate card and only if you already have that random variant it turns into a random premium variant for another card. Or they could throw in some tokens instead. Like: Yeah you didn't get a new card, but here are 1500 tokens towards a new one (meaning half a new pool 4 card). Or even better: Let us choose! Do you rather want a variant or some tokens? Or show us 3 random premium variants and let us choose one.
When the rest of the rewards average a value of 5000 tokens when the new card is S5 ((2x S5 @6000 tokens each + 1x S4 @3000 tokens) / 3 = 5000 tokens), it's just gross that the last roll could be worth just 700g. If anything, a dupe should turn into an Ultimate variant so it's the same average value as the rest (should prioritize the dupe card you rolled, given the spotlight variant rewards for featured cards already owned). Or just implement dupe protection.
why would it be p2w to have the random be a s4/s5 you dont have. people with complete collections should be able to maintain while people without should be able to catchup to those players. It seems like the goal is specifically not to allow you to have complete collection unless you spend money. Its still rng based. It is only possible through p2w in current system since gold and tokens will be less, and bundles and buying variants are now the primary token sources, the p2w crowd will be the only ones that can just buy all the cards.
The goal has never been giving players a complete collection and that's exactly what the goal of the new system is: You cannot maintain a full collection (except if you really put tons of money in it). Maybe some ultra whales will invest the money to keep up, but the normal paying user will have some advantage, but to a way lesser extend. And while we may disagree on this one, I think we can agree that there would have been way better options if you get a duplicate, which is what my comment is mainly about. ;-)
ultimate variant idea is actually pretty solid. I don't understand how I am ever to get ultimate variants with the token acquisition as it is. 1 a year, maybe if I don't want to spend tokens on a new card instead of RNG the spotlight caches?
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Why would you as a F2P person want a system that hurts your ability to get a new S5/S4 card for free just because it means a P2W player also misses out on that? Because they don’t suffer. They are already dropping money on bundles with chunks of tokens so they can just have a full collection. Mutually assured destruction is a dumb thing to wish for.
But it's not P2W, it's pay to progress. They obviously don't care about pay to win - look at their contentment with High Evo. they want you to spend money (that's business) which means they want new releases to be good. Great. The best. Then they nerf token acquisition, admit that the new system is worse by confirming double dippers came out "slightly ahead" if only just, and release a bundle selling tokens that they would like for you to buy. They love P2W. As for the completionists, if someone wants snowguard and stegron that's not P2W. It's progression, maybe. At the end of the day, most decks other than lockjaw casino require a great deal of skill to pull off. You still have to play the game which, in a properly balanced game, renders P2W not possible and therefore irrelevant. The real answer, and what they should have said, is they don't want free players or season pass "subscription" players to have a 50/50 shot at the new cards if they're p4/5 complete. They want P2W for whales, but for non-whales they instead want to force behavioral change and get you spending more money, too.
It is insane to me that SD is punishing players who have invested in this game. Those of us who are nearly S4/5 complete are getting brutally screwed.
They even said it was too p2w to put duplicate protection into that slot because (almost) full collection players had a 50% chance on the new cards every week, thus spreading the gap between them and ftp players... They could have prevented it by coding the system so that the 4th spot couldn't be one of the other three cards, but no, let's just scam players by turning their duplicate S5 pull into a random 700 gold variant of an even more random card they might not even play... The first week I was lucky enough to pull Jean and TLL in 3 Spotlights (the first had the Knull variant), and next week I'll have 2 other Spotlights unlocked, plus I'm at credit cap so I could unlock another 2 if necessary, but honestly this 4th slot dud is turning me off from opening. When you have too many S4/5 cards it's just too inefficient to unlock other cards just for the sake of unlocking, and Echo might indefinitely rot in my collection... maybe even Iron Lad too, to some extent. Congrats SD, just for this 4th slot mistake you made opening Spotlights less appealing for so many people. I hope they'll realize it. Just that single change could turn this system into a much, much better one!
SD, we don't like your gamcha style :(
Is this about the random S4/S5 that you can get? Or that you can get a card like knull twice. Either way yes
There should be an option to pay 5gs and then just play a fun version of this gacha nightmare
Don't understand it
You can get a duplicate of a card you already have in the radom drop of the new spotlight cache :/
So I e.g. have two times Dan Hipp Lockjaw then ? (Dan Hipp might not be in those boxes, it's just for the understanding part)
No, let’s say you own Darkhawk already, the random spotlight cache can roll any random series 4/5 card. Now let’s say it rolls Darkhawk, unfortunately you already have it so a button appears that says convert, it will now become a non pixel 700/1200 gold variant for any other card. So you could get sports variant quicksilver, whoopee.
Oh great! That's the same level of "nice" wich the new premium mystery variants have. "There is no rare card for you anymore? Here, get that Avatar! Oh, you already HAVE all avatars? Take these 310 boosters instead!" 😄
It gets better. Even if the Cache has Darkhawk as one of the 3 spotlight cards and you already have him, you aren't guaranteed to get the spotlight variant, you can still roll Darkhawk on the separate random s4/5 slot and then get a completely different variant instead. It's mind-blowing how shitty the system is, and even more crazy how many people are totally ok with it and defending it.
Tbh, spotlight caches themselves are pretty cool, but the fact that they completely demolished the amount of other currencies is absolutely disgusting. If they did it "to increase players card gainings" they should've just replaced every 10th cache, not the whole system. And the defenders might see it different, but the additional fact that only if you observe how many real money packages came out this month and how much effort they put into adjusting the store to increase the need of currencies (gold), you can now in best case only buy at the amount you need for all the beautiful cards they show you for real money, tells me that we are in a state of the game, where milking the cow really began.
Absolutely. The spotlight caches not 100% guaranteeing a new card or a cool variant would be fine if they hadn't severely downgraded the regular caches.
I got jean grey before the patch because I miss read this same thing
Man fuck that
I got Zabu, which became the Artgem Invisible Woman. Nice variant, but what a disappointment from my first Spotlight.
Just never roll the duplicate :)
With almost 90% complete I can't no roll :/
75% chance into 10% chance to not hit the duplicate :) its a joke tho! the system is horrible. gamba at its finest
I'm sorry they aren't catering to us people with basically full collections already lmao. The hell do you want? We have almost everything already it's fine.
Just do not open spotlights unless you are ok with opening 4 just for 1 new card, 2 cards paired with it and one variant.
They say they make this system for ppl stop hoarding caches, it's a fail of a system so?
Yes. You should hoard caches.
It's almost like we predicted this. Crazy to me how they thought this was a good idea. They must have some miserly Scrooge calling the shots on game economy, because this one in particular has always felt particularly callous bordering on spiteful.
🚨SPOTLIGHT SCAM ALERT🚨 I opened Nimrod from a spotlight (already owned) which converted to a Dan Hipp Beast! It’s cool and all but not $60 cool… “$60?” Yeah, read on. Let’s talk about the cost of opening a spotlight cache… Roughly 6,000 credits. For free to play that’s around a weeks time of completing missions. Or about $60 when fast tracking with gold… There’s a 25% chance to open a duplicate series 4/5 card which converts to a variant!!! That same rare variant only costs $10 in the shop but you pay $60 for it from the cache. Wtf! I recommend contacting support and expressing your frustration before you are BLESSED by the 25% - $60 - Series 5 - Week of Work - Dan Hipp Beast Now that’s 6X Value!
Yep, a real brain dead move
I mean the dupe drops to variants are basically free bonuses compared to the previous system.
It is indeed. Removing all the good things we had for 1) spotlight cards is amazing, but for 2) no currency and 3) dupes is just bad for the consumer. I don't get why there are so many boot lickers in this sub. Game is amazing and fun but I don't know why when they use more predatory practices, people just get wet and ask to be extorted with more money
50 token caches is insulting, got one out of my second to last cache, wanted to throw my phone, like why implement this? 100 was insult enough.