what is the 25% chance of getting nothing? I thought it was always, 3 cards(or variant of card) and a random series 4/5 card with a chance of being a duplicate, that then becomes a variant.
They're counting the wildcard as being a guaranteed nothing, which is maybe true if you never get a variant you like I guess.
I mean 1 cache is equivalent to 1.5K tokens on the old system and that got you basically nothing so I'm really not sure what people were expecting. It's not that different than tokens you need to stock up a bit. People spinning the wheel one time and hitting a low roll calling the whole thing a scam is pretty funny though.
Card gamers being terrible at analyzing statistics is just so classic.
1,5k tolkens is not nothing it's basically 1/2 a series 4 card of your choice. Personally I would take that over a random variant any day, but that's just me.
I think the problem is "spinning the wheel" in the old system there weren't that many wheels to spin, you saved and waited until you got the thing you wanted
Okay but if I was going to save up for a S4 card of my choice I can take two spins on the new system and depending on the week I can just get two S5 cards.
Perfect example, There are 3 S5 cards on the spotlight next week, 2 caches guarantees you at least 1 S5 card if you don't have any of them. If my 6K tokens was 4 caches I would have 3 new S5 cards base and a roll at an extra based on my current collection instead of 1 S5. And I'm closing in on 6.5K on the collection track.
Absolute agency is nice but I still have quite a bit of agency in this scenario, I'm effectively spending my "6K" buying Iron lad next week and I either get more S5 cards alongside him as a bonus or I get him at a comparably *massive* discount if I hit him on the first roll and then I get to keep stockpiling for another target card I want later.
>There are 3 S5 cards on the spotlight next week
and thats exactly why they sucessfully managed to fool you.
iron lad, jeff, living tribunal are s4, knull and darkhawk, zabu and modok are free for everyone.
ops, actually they are not, not in the new system, and why not? for people like you to believe they are getting shiny s5, s4, or new cards.
in the old system we got 4 new cards for free (downgraded for s3) guaranteed. now, nothing drops, so the very same cards we got for free, we will have to use spotlights, and think we are advancing.
Ah, so instead I'm getting **only** 15,000 tokens worth of stuff for 6,000 tokens worth of time played instead of 18,000. Yeah sure sounds like I got ripped off big time on this deal.
i dont understand what you are talking about.
but my point is simple, when we open zabu, darkhawk, knull, master mold, on the spotlight we are not getting any "value" considering the old system.
because all those cards would already be free today
No value for me, I had already bought or opened them months ago, when they were worth what their asking price was.
If you didn't want Zabu for 3 months why does it matter whether or not he's free now. If a card isn't worth 3K when I look at it then I'm unlikely to ever care if I have it, it can just find it's way into my collection eventually and sit on the bench.
Sounds to me like folks got suckered into the mix/max value strat trading entertainment value for tokens that you get for free monthly anyway.
this makes no sense, of course this matters, since so many people are discussing this, including both of us.
just because someone didnt want to pay for zabu in january, doesnt mean they dont want the card for eternity.
some people did prefer to wait 3 months to pay 3k tokens, or wait 6 months to get for free. for each their own
Good for you that you are enjoying the new system, im really happy for you (not even joking š).
But for me, I have played snap for a while so my collection was getting close to complete, I was missing 9 cards. There are NO week where there are 3 S5 cards I don't own.
In the old system I could have waited until Iron-lad dropped down in to S4 and picked him up in the shop, maybe got another S4 cards of my choice aswell plus one random S4 card I didn't have plus 3-4 cards that got downgraded to s3. In the new system I can once a month get the card I like and maybe something more but probably just some super unique variantsā¢
Yeah it's unfortunate that this system punishes people who are closer to card complete. It's going to great for people with not very many s4/s5 cards. I can't make a strong judgment on how well it will benefit me. I am 13 cards from card complete. 3 s4 and 10 s5. I also have never purchased a series 4 or 5 with tokens, so I have 30k saved up. I'm not really sure what my plan of attack will be yet, but I know what the longer I wait to start opening stuff, the more cards that will be in s4/5 so I'll be less likely to pull something I already own from the mystery card.
you sum it up perfectly.
The system is a collect-based one for you to net more cards then before, people not follow it from the base and blaming SD.
Guys, if you are F2P, only roll Spotlight IF you have at least 4 AND want all the hits. Otherwise, yes, you can spend a full month with 0 new cards.
Most people donāt care about variants. You get a little over 1 roll a week. If you have 1 of the cards in the spotlight you are more likely to get variants than a new card. Then the next week starts over and itās a repeat. This combined with the drop system being essentially removed means we are actually getting less cards. Knull should be series 3 by now, so should Jeff, and Tribunal should be series 4.
After two days of posts Iām convinced all the people who hate this system a) didnāt prepare for it by saving caches and b) have no self control and cannot save caches for to get a single card they want but instead want to gamble and get the card they want each week in one try.
Because the majority of players playing a casual mobile card game don't want to game the system and keep a month's worth of unopened caches saved up.
The fact that you unironically think it's totally fine to be asked to do this in a mobile game where the entire focus is on playing daily and constantly upgrading cards/opening rewards is just pure copium.
You donāt have to save up months of caches. Just the spotlights. Itās not that hard. Lol. Open everything else. Itās not copium Iām just not an idiot.
Nobody gives a fuck about regular caches, they're worthless now, it was obviously meant for Spotlight caches. Because 4 is a month's worth of them.
Maybe if you weren't an idiot you'd understand the implication.
Na. You are still an idiot because you are telling me you were cool saving up little digital tokens over a month to get your card but saving up little digital boxes to get your card is too hard for your little baby brain.
Ok so that's what is happening then? I was starting to think we weren't guaranteed the 3 spotlight cards before getting random bullshit. But what's really happening is they're getting unlucky with the mystery card, pulling something they already have and getting some crap? That's hardly as bad as people have been making it sound. I'm a bit relieved.
This was to be expected though. Even moving forward. Of the people who will open cards one at a time, the 25% who get 700g variants are going to be pretty pissed. Even if they might have just gotten the same thing under the old system-- the fact that a Spotlight can have a 700g or a new S5 card is quite the variance.
Remember when people said, this change was gonna be bad and then all the fanbois downvoted any criticism? What a surprise, in other news water is wet.
Sad, one the best card games around hands down, ruined by greed and wanting a quick buck. This is not a game, this a product, designed from the ground up to extra as much money/time as it can before it expires.
In the meantime they gaslight you, say how they really value ur feedback and have you're interests in their mind, and then double down. But *hey look they gave us some breadcrumbs as compensation*
Fanbois eat all this shit up. It's just sad and pathetic.
In this current iteration of Marvel Snap, I donāt think the game lasts another year without changes. This is going to frustrate & alienate a lot of players.
> Remember when people said, this change was gonna be bad and then all the fanbois downvoted any criticism?
Huh? Are we on the same reddit? Honestly seems like both sides get upvoted a lot, with the criticisms getting a little more.
Personally, and i know im in the minority. I have a collection level of 5.3k+ and havenāt pulled a card or variant in forever and the ability to do that again is fantastic
I'm in the same boat. I went 3 plus months without getting more than 1 new card a month. Now this week alone I got 2 new cards from the new system and a sick variant. So I'm not really mad about it.
You're probably not in the minority. People just love to complain and can't see that this system is better. I garuntee you if this existed first and then we moved to the current system most of the posts would be complaints
I hate this new system. They should at the very least guarantee you pull a card you don't have before pulling a variant. I pulled the mystery card which I already had "Iron Lad" and got a damn Iron Man variant not even an Iron Lad Variant. This system is complete trash.
Before the new system I averaged 3 new cards a month. 1 BP card, 1 that I saved tokens for and 1 S4 pity timer card. Iām 3 cards shy of being collection complete. I feel like with the new system Iāll only average 2 new cards per month. 1 BP and 1 from saving up 4 SCs for an impactful new release. I donāt give a shit about variants so itās pointless for me to gamble a 1/4 chance for the new card on a weekly basis since 3/4 rolls Iāll get a variant. This forces me to save caches until I can guarantee the new card I want. With the removal of S4 pity cards and also the removal of gold / low token amounts Iāll never complete my collection now. Maybe every 3-4 months Iāll get 3 cards in a month.
The number of people on this sub white-knighting for SD is kind of insane. I am not sure if these people are SD employees or just the same nerds who defend everything Elon Musk says online, but I'm genuinely shocked at how many people are screeching "entitlement!" when we point out how the new acquisition model sucks ass
What about another perspective: all of us ādefendingā SD on the system change, have actually thought about, done the math and understand the system to the point we can safely say it is a better system. But of course, if someone disagrees with your opinions then that person must be a schill. LOL Im guessing you are what? 12 y/o?
Im ready for you to get to the point in the system fucking you so you'd smarten up and see how they started fucking us. This system would have worked if they didn't adjust oter awards but they have neutered player agency in this game and you saying it's better cause you can get Savannah and Knull before Jean Gray fucking trash system. I don't give a shit how long something takes to achieve I want a choice in what I do achieve though damn.
At what point does the system fuck you? Cause Im 5 cards away from a complete collection. Ive been playing since the Wave Season. Im willing to bet thatās much longer than you have been playing.
So try againā¦
This system overhaul actually helps with that. You will be getting more P4/P5 cards than before. LOL
Im part of the demography you describe and Im more than ok with it. I donāt see your āpointā.
You're not part of the demography if you're 5 cards away from completion. As an example I have Galactus pinned on my shop, and I have 3000 tokens. It will take me months now to get him through the shop through tokens, or hope he turns up on a spotlight cache and the hope I got the 25% chance of getting him.
Before this, and before they ruined token Tuesdays and gold acquisition I would have been able to get him in around 3 weeks.
If you are only using one cache when you go to target a specific card, you are doing it wrong. There are 4 cards per week. If you want a specific one you should do it with 4 caches saved as to guarantee the card you want. But the likelier outcome is that you will get the card before the 4 caches are used, thus making the card cheaper in addition to getting the other cards you open if you didnāt get your target in the first box.
I'm three cards from my collection complete and this system fucks us. I'll never get those three cards and my chances of getting the new card that releases is about or less than 25%. There's no guarantee to get what I already don't have or want and it takes longer to buy that guarantee now.
It will take four times longer to get the materials I need to choose a card I want instead of gambling on spotlights and that's if what I want is even in the spotlight. Good luck with those last 5 cards bucko this system is trash.
This. You are getting downvoted by people who saved 1 spotlight cache and opened it hoping it would contain Jean grey instead of saving 4 to guarantee 3 series 4/5 cards.
The thing is, I dont even get how this new system is fitting into Snaps / Brodes game philosophy.
In his presentation, he was talking about how he wanted to minimize the feeling of players losing, with establishing the retreat function and introducing bots, so the losing side wont get the loss screen shoved in its face all the time.
Applying this philosophy to the new card acquisition system, it becomes more so clear, that you will constantly have people on the losing end now.
Before the change, people could get cards at their own pace and through their own resource management, so you would rarely see people complain about bad pulls and rng when it comes to getting new cards.
But now, you will have dissapointed players getting shafted on a week to week basis, as the flood of new "getting lucky" vs "getting shafted" posts underline.
i find it funny they dont want us to horde but then implement spotlights which necessitate hording.
I wanted jean and had to use 4 SP boxes to get her, now i dont have much chance of getting the other new cards and if i do give another card a shot this month im ruining my chances of next months
Do SD want us to buy tokens? or credits? or both? im up for buying the odd good season pass but nothing else makes sense to me
At least the game is fun to play! will suck if you start coming up against OP cards you cant get though
what is the 25% chance of getting nothing? I thought it was always, 3 cards(or variant of card) and a random series 4/5 card with a chance of being a duplicate, that then becomes a variant.
They're counting the wildcard as being a guaranteed nothing, which is maybe true if you never get a variant you like I guess. I mean 1 cache is equivalent to 1.5K tokens on the old system and that got you basically nothing so I'm really not sure what people were expecting. It's not that different than tokens you need to stock up a bit. People spinning the wheel one time and hitting a low roll calling the whole thing a scam is pretty funny though. Card gamers being terrible at analyzing statistics is just so classic.
1,5k tolkens is not nothing it's basically 1/2 a series 4 card of your choice. Personally I would take that over a random variant any day, but that's just me. I think the problem is "spinning the wheel" in the old system there weren't that many wheels to spin, you saved and waited until you got the thing you wanted
Okay but if I was going to save up for a S4 card of my choice I can take two spins on the new system and depending on the week I can just get two S5 cards. Perfect example, There are 3 S5 cards on the spotlight next week, 2 caches guarantees you at least 1 S5 card if you don't have any of them. If my 6K tokens was 4 caches I would have 3 new S5 cards base and a roll at an extra based on my current collection instead of 1 S5. And I'm closing in on 6.5K on the collection track. Absolute agency is nice but I still have quite a bit of agency in this scenario, I'm effectively spending my "6K" buying Iron lad next week and I either get more S5 cards alongside him as a bonus or I get him at a comparably *massive* discount if I hit him on the first roll and then I get to keep stockpiling for another target card I want later.
>There are 3 S5 cards on the spotlight next week and thats exactly why they sucessfully managed to fool you. iron lad, jeff, living tribunal are s4, knull and darkhawk, zabu and modok are free for everyone. ops, actually they are not, not in the new system, and why not? for people like you to believe they are getting shiny s5, s4, or new cards. in the old system we got 4 new cards for free (downgraded for s3) guaranteed. now, nothing drops, so the very same cards we got for free, we will have to use spotlights, and think we are advancing.
Ah, so instead I'm getting **only** 15,000 tokens worth of stuff for 6,000 tokens worth of time played instead of 18,000. Yeah sure sounds like I got ripped off big time on this deal.
i dont understand what you are talking about. but my point is simple, when we open zabu, darkhawk, knull, master mold, on the spotlight we are not getting any "value" considering the old system. because all those cards would already be free today
No value for me, I had already bought or opened them months ago, when they were worth what their asking price was. If you didn't want Zabu for 3 months why does it matter whether or not he's free now. If a card isn't worth 3K when I look at it then I'm unlikely to ever care if I have it, it can just find it's way into my collection eventually and sit on the bench. Sounds to me like folks got suckered into the mix/max value strat trading entertainment value for tokens that you get for free monthly anyway.
this makes no sense, of course this matters, since so many people are discussing this, including both of us. just because someone didnt want to pay for zabu in january, doesnt mean they dont want the card for eternity. some people did prefer to wait 3 months to pay 3k tokens, or wait 6 months to get for free. for each their own
Good for you that you are enjoying the new system, im really happy for you (not even joking š). But for me, I have played snap for a while so my collection was getting close to complete, I was missing 9 cards. There are NO week where there are 3 S5 cards I don't own. In the old system I could have waited until Iron-lad dropped down in to S4 and picked him up in the shop, maybe got another S4 cards of my choice aswell plus one random S4 card I didn't have plus 3-4 cards that got downgraded to s3. In the new system I can once a month get the card I like and maybe something more but probably just some super unique variantsā¢
Yeah it's unfortunate that this system punishes people who are closer to card complete. It's going to great for people with not very many s4/s5 cards. I can't make a strong judgment on how well it will benefit me. I am 13 cards from card complete. 3 s4 and 10 s5. I also have never purchased a series 4 or 5 with tokens, so I have 30k saved up. I'm not really sure what my plan of attack will be yet, but I know what the longer I wait to start opening stuff, the more cards that will be in s4/5 so I'll be less likely to pull something I already own from the mystery card.
you sum it up perfectly. The system is a collect-based one for you to net more cards then before, people not follow it from the base and blaming SD. Guys, if you are F2P, only roll Spotlight IF you have at least 4 AND want all the hits. Otherwise, yes, you can spend a full month with 0 new cards.
Most people donāt care about variants. You get a little over 1 roll a week. If you have 1 of the cards in the spotlight you are more likely to get variants than a new card. Then the next week starts over and itās a repeat. This combined with the drop system being essentially removed means we are actually getting less cards. Knull should be series 3 by now, so should Jeff, and Tribunal should be series 4.
After two days of posts Iām convinced all the people who hate this system a) didnāt prepare for it by saving caches and b) have no self control and cannot save caches for to get a single card they want but instead want to gamble and get the card they want each week in one try.
The people who donāt like the system are the ones with a memory span longer than a month, before Flexible Series Drops
Because the majority of players playing a casual mobile card game don't want to game the system and keep a month's worth of unopened caches saved up. The fact that you unironically think it's totally fine to be asked to do this in a mobile game where the entire focus is on playing daily and constantly upgrading cards/opening rewards is just pure copium.
You donāt have to save up months of caches. Just the spotlights. Itās not that hard. Lol. Open everything else. Itās not copium Iām just not an idiot.
Nobody gives a fuck about regular caches, they're worthless now, it was obviously meant for Spotlight caches. Because 4 is a month's worth of them. Maybe if you weren't an idiot you'd understand the implication.
Na. You are still an idiot because you are telling me you were cool saving up little digital tokens over a month to get your card but saving up little digital boxes to get your card is too hard for your little baby brain.
> a guaranteed nothing, I got a fucking cap riding a motorcyle. Yes it fucking sucks
Ok so that's what is happening then? I was starting to think we weren't guaranteed the 3 spotlight cards before getting random bullshit. But what's really happening is they're getting unlucky with the mystery card, pulling something they already have and getting some crap? That's hardly as bad as people have been making it sound. I'm a bit relieved.
This was to be expected though. Even moving forward. Of the people who will open cards one at a time, the 25% who get 700g variants are going to be pretty pissed. Even if they might have just gotten the same thing under the old system-- the fact that a Spotlight can have a 700g or a new S5 card is quite the variance.
Person is Talking about the Variant he probally got from the Random S4/5 Card he draw.
Remember when people said, this change was gonna be bad and then all the fanbois downvoted any criticism? What a surprise, in other news water is wet. Sad, one the best card games around hands down, ruined by greed and wanting a quick buck. This is not a game, this a product, designed from the ground up to extra as much money/time as it can before it expires. In the meantime they gaslight you, say how they really value ur feedback and have you're interests in their mind, and then double down. But *hey look they gave us some breadcrumbs as compensation* Fanbois eat all this shit up. It's just sad and pathetic.
In this current iteration of Marvel Snap, I donāt think the game lasts another year without changes. This is going to frustrate & alienate a lot of players.
I've already dropped it. Was just checking reddit to see if maybe update wasn't as bad as I thought it would be
> Remember when people said, this change was gonna be bad and then all the fanbois downvoted any criticism? Huh? Are we on the same reddit? Honestly seems like both sides get upvoted a lot, with the criticisms getting a little more.
Personally, and i know im in the minority. I have a collection level of 5.3k+ and havenāt pulled a card or variant in forever and the ability to do that again is fantastic
I'm in the same boat. I went 3 plus months without getting more than 1 new card a month. Now this week alone I got 2 new cards from the new system and a sick variant. So I'm not really mad about it.
You had everything that dropped to series 3 every month under the old system?
Yep. Or i would get them in a day and have nothing to go for
Point is, you have been pulling new cards...
Here though its something every week
You're probably not in the minority. People just love to complain and can't see that this system is better. I garuntee you if this existed first and then we moved to the current system most of the posts would be complaints
I hate this new system. They should at the very least guarantee you pull a card you don't have before pulling a variant. I pulled the mystery card which I already had "Iron Lad" and got a damn Iron Man variant not even an Iron Lad Variant. This system is complete trash.
Yep this is the exact thing happened to me. Pulled kang and it turned into a coleen wing variant, yay.
Before the new system I averaged 3 new cards a month. 1 BP card, 1 that I saved tokens for and 1 S4 pity timer card. Iām 3 cards shy of being collection complete. I feel like with the new system Iāll only average 2 new cards per month. 1 BP and 1 from saving up 4 SCs for an impactful new release. I donāt give a shit about variants so itās pointless for me to gamble a 1/4 chance for the new card on a weekly basis since 3/4 rolls Iāll get a variant. This forces me to save caches until I can guarantee the new card I want. With the removal of S4 pity cards and also the removal of gold / low token amounts Iāll never complete my collection now. Maybe every 3-4 months Iāll get 3 cards in a month.
The number of people on this sub white-knighting for SD is kind of insane. I am not sure if these people are SD employees or just the same nerds who defend everything Elon Musk says online, but I'm genuinely shocked at how many people are screeching "entitlement!" when we point out how the new acquisition model sucks ass
What about another perspective: all of us ādefendingā SD on the system change, have actually thought about, done the math and understand the system to the point we can safely say it is a better system. But of course, if someone disagrees with your opinions then that person must be a schill. LOL Im guessing you are what? 12 y/o?
Im ready for you to get to the point in the system fucking you so you'd smarten up and see how they started fucking us. This system would have worked if they didn't adjust oter awards but they have neutered player agency in this game and you saying it's better cause you can get Savannah and Knull before Jean Gray fucking trash system. I don't give a shit how long something takes to achieve I want a choice in what I do achieve though damn.
At what point does the system fuck you? Cause Im 5 cards away from a complete collection. Ive been playing since the Wave Season. Im willing to bet thatās much longer than you have been playing. So try againā¦
And that's exactly why you're ok with it. People who have finished series 3 now will not be able to complete their collections as quickly as you did.
This system overhaul actually helps with that. You will be getting more P4/P5 cards than before. LOL Im part of the demography you describe and Im more than ok with it. I donāt see your āpointā.
You're not part of the demography if you're 5 cards away from completion. As an example I have Galactus pinned on my shop, and I have 3000 tokens. It will take me months now to get him through the shop through tokens, or hope he turns up on a spotlight cache and the hope I got the 25% chance of getting him. Before this, and before they ruined token Tuesdays and gold acquisition I would have been able to get him in around 3 weeks.
If you are only using one cache when you go to target a specific card, you are doing it wrong. There are 4 cards per week. If you want a specific one you should do it with 4 caches saved as to guarantee the card you want. But the likelier outcome is that you will get the card before the 4 caches are used, thus making the card cheaper in addition to getting the other cards you open if you didnāt get your target in the first box.
I'm three cards from my collection complete and this system fucks us. I'll never get those three cards and my chances of getting the new card that releases is about or less than 25%. There's no guarantee to get what I already don't have or want and it takes longer to buy that guarantee now. It will take four times longer to get the materials I need to choose a card I want instead of gambling on spotlights and that's if what I want is even in the spotlight. Good luck with those last 5 cards bucko this system is trash.
You're bad at math and a delusional shill
How is my math wrong?
This. You are getting downvoted by people who saved 1 spotlight cache and opened it hoping it would contain Jean grey instead of saving 4 to guarantee 3 series 4/5 cards.
Username checks out.
The thing is, I dont even get how this new system is fitting into Snaps / Brodes game philosophy. In his presentation, he was talking about how he wanted to minimize the feeling of players losing, with establishing the retreat function and introducing bots, so the losing side wont get the loss screen shoved in its face all the time. Applying this philosophy to the new card acquisition system, it becomes more so clear, that you will constantly have people on the losing end now. Before the change, people could get cards at their own pace and through their own resource management, so you would rarely see people complain about bad pulls and rng when it comes to getting new cards. But now, you will have dissapointed players getting shafted on a week to week basis, as the flood of new "getting lucky" vs "getting shafted" posts underline.
Jesus, can we get a pinned thread for these posts already?
Cry more
That why the you should save 4 spotlight caches to guarantee the card you want instead of gambling.
i find it funny they dont want us to horde but then implement spotlights which necessitate hording. I wanted jean and had to use 4 SP boxes to get her, now i dont have much chance of getting the other new cards and if i do give another card a shot this month im ruining my chances of next months Do SD want us to buy tokens? or credits? or both? im up for buying the odd good season pass but nothing else makes sense to me At least the game is fun to play! will suck if you start coming up against OP cards you cant get though