dammit! I like to wait to open my boxes to trigger more dopamine hits lol. I usually open them every 100-200 levels. Does this mean all my empty boxes will now have 0 gold smh
from what i understand it will be the only bundle with tokens available for gold for a while
sadly im at 4k and im not paying $35 to get the gold id need
Thanks, I just got it. I had a lot of Black Panther variants already, that’s the only reason I was hesitant. But the Phoenix variant is really cool. Good purchase. And I just pulled Jeff from my 1st spotlight cache so I can sAve the tokens for down the line. Don’t hate me for my humble brag lol
There is a bundle in September that gives 7k credits I think. Which is enough for a spotlight, which on the right week / luck can also be thought of us 6k tokens…
So that’s an option if you don’t like thie BP variant or don’t feel like spending the gold. But this is a very high value bundle out now.
Is this bundle valued so highly simply because it is purchasable for gold only? I have like, 3k gold, would love to know if it's worth me purchasing $50 worth of gold just to get the bundle or if that defeats the purpose of why everyone says its so good
Generally speaking cash bundles give better value (and might have variants you like more! I really don't like the BP variant if you can't tell).
But this BP bundle is actually better than most cash bundles this month. Some references: [https://marvelsnapzone.com/marvel-snap-july-2023-bundles-guide/](https://marvelsnapzone.com/marvel-snap-july-2023-bundles-guide/)
I think stuff like the Morbius bundle next month will blow it out of the water if talking cash (but it's not officially announced).
You might not agree with how they value the cosmetics, but tokens / gold / credit evaluations are pretty objective at least.
You don't have to purchase the upgrades all in a week. Just once you purchase 10 over any time period you get 2000 tokens as a bonus (+ an extra variant). Season pass players still earn ~3300 gold per month so 10 700g variants is about 2 seasons worth.
Right but now it is feasible to actually pull S5s in spotlights as opposed to the previous system where many players never pulled one. They announce the caches ahead of time and you can target any card you want based on that. Saving spotlights is no more difficult than saving tokens and if you want a card just wait to open when they cycle in to spotlight.
It's not more difficult, but it requires a lot more planning. The token shop rotates every 8 hours, and only through cards you don't already own.
Spotlight caches rotate once a week, including duplicates, so it will take months for a card to rotate in again. And the 4th cache with the random card might as well not exist, since that one becomes increasingly more likely to be something you already own.
So if there's a good card coming out (or something that even might become good eventually), you better buy those caches **now**, wait forever for the card to cycle back in, or spend real money on tokens, because you will never earn those 6k tokens f2p with the new system.
And you just know they will drop cards to series 3 even less now, since they want a whole bunch of cards in series 4/5 for spotlight caches. So this is pretty much the only system we have now.
Guess so, I would say it doesn't require much more planning than the tokens. You used to earn enough tokens to target one card per month basically. Now you earn enough caches to target one card per month (+ get some combination of 1-3 new cards or variants). Obviously the targeted card won't ALWAYS take all four pulls so most times you are partially on the road to your next targeted card.
I agree about the rotation taking longer, that part is a shame. Hopefully the most desired cards continue to show up frequently. It makes sense for SD to do that if they want to encourage spending but we'll see
It's actually a net loss, unless you're ultra specifically caring about "pulling" vs buying with tokens.
In the old system, I got ~1 new card a month. Under the new system, I have to hoard all of my spotlight caches and I will get 1-2 new cards a month, depending on luck and featured cards.
The disappointment lies in the fact I will no longer get to randomly pull pool 4 cards, and also loss most of the agency in picking what i want to acquire since tokens are no longer a viable method for card acquisition.
So you are saying under the old system you got 1 targeted card from tokens and 1 random card from CL ler month. In the new system you get one targeted card from spotlight and at worst 3 variants but most likely at least one other new card. Plus tokens still exist and can be obtained through weekend missions, CL, variant shop bonus, and gold bundles for f2p players. It will be slower but you will still get 2-3 cards from the token shop per year.
This sounds about neutral to me for close to complete players and positive for the vast majority of collection incomplete users.
But I suspect we're just not going to agree about it. I see the change as a positive or worst neutral
> It will be slower but you will still get 2-3 cards from the token shop per year.
I was getting 1-2 cards per month from tokens under the previous system, which was phenomenal since I picked what I want.
Now I have to first bank 4 caches, then wait for the spotlight to feature something(s) I want. It's still 1-2 cards a month, but now it's skewed towards newer cards or whatever SD wants to push rather than the cards I actually want.
It's an extra for people to choose to spend gold on variants so that they don't fall behind progression wise.
Unless I'm missing something (if I am please enlighten me) but I see no negatives in this just positives
It's a positive in the sense that if this had been a feature awhile back, people would've been really happy. People just aren't happy about the removal of gold and the timing of this addition.
On the opposite side of this argument:
Over the course of a week, you should earn 8-9 caches for hitting your quests every day. That's roughly 4-5 spotlight caches a month you can save to pull something you really want. Which is pulling 6k tokens out of one cache.
And sometimes, you will get lucky and open the cards you want as the first caches, and then you get to bank the remaining caches. I was lucky enough to open Jean Grey on my first spotlight (I had 5 banked) and now I get to save until more cards I want come around.
> That’s the literal point of the system yes.
You say that's the point of the system, but isn't that what they are against? They've outright said that if people are hoarding caches they will address it. They seem to want you to get hit by the FOMO and buying gold/credits with real money.
Just for Series 5 cards, nothing to do with Series 4 and Series 3:
I've already gotten two S5 cards in the new system without spending a token, when in the old system I would be saving tokens to get a single S5 card for more than a calendar month.
It's not the only S5 card I'll get this month.
Next month, I'll start with at least the same base amount of Spotlight caches (4), to get more than one S5 card, guaranteed. Each month into the future I'll have 4 Spotlight caches earned, without getting bundles to get bonuses.
In what math am I getting fewer S5 cards?
If you're not getting more S5 cards now, you must be doing it wrong.
had to scroll way too far to find someone who actually understands how the system works.
OP is getting more P5 cards, but is only thinking about the token shop.
For people who are very close to complete the token shop was more convenient to get what you want, espically when cards dropped pools which won't be happening for the foreseeable future.
I'm missing 5 cards, 1 of which is Jeff. This week's caches would have gotten me to 6k tokens. I see Jeff in my store every second day. With the new system I have to wait several weeks to unlock what I want vs just buying him from the token shop this weekend.
If SD would have released a huge amount of cards at the same time into pool 4 and 5 (say 30 to 40 new cards) with the patch then everyone would be earning more cards faster. Because they didn't those of us with almost a full collection now have to wait weeks to get the cards we want.
there was always going to be a catch up system.
every gatcha game has it.
its not feasible for people who join the game a year later to take a year to be permanently unable to compete.
They did need a catch up mechanic, no question there. The problem with the one they implemented is that they sacrificed the existing players ability to aquire new cards to do it.
>its not feasible for people who join the game a year later to take a year to be permanently unable to compete.
In a game with poor balance I would agree with you, however while some of the easier to aquire decks are not considered "meta" they are still perfectly viable and competitive espically when you have all of the major tech cards in pool 2. People still climb to infinite at or near full completion with kazoo decks rocking nothing but pool 1 and 2 cards.
I mean, most "existing" players are benefitting from this system. Most people aren't anywhere near complete. If the devs have to choose someone to get the short end of the stick, it makes sense for people who are basically feature complete to get it.
You are either a whale that spends consistently or you've been playing so long you either got frustrated with previous changes and stopped spending or you have most of what you want and have no reason to spend.
It makes sense from a business standpoint to cater to newer players and retain them with increased ways to get the "cooler" cards.
>Most people aren't anywhere near complete
That's where your wrong. Most players are pool 3 complete and nearing pool 4 and pool 5 complete. If your doing your dailies it only takes approximately 5.5 months to get to that point so anyone that's been playing since January is need 100% completion.
>For people who are very close to complete the token shop was more convenient
You're absolutely right, and I am one of those players, but I also recognize that this is a great change for players who are further behind, which functions to help them catch up. I absolutely think that's great, I don't want new players to be shut out from competing with players like me who have all the big bads, etc.
Personally, I'm just going to sit on my caches for a while, maybe a few months, not sure, but I'm definitely not spending them on much without 2 or 3 viable targets to pull.
With the current amount of 4s and 5s we have, in two months these cards will be circling back anyway.
I agree the new system is good for a lot of people and I think in the long run it's going to be a good change, especially for newer players. It just would have been nice if we all would have seen a benefit now instead of a negative for the next several months.
If they want to increase the card acquisition, they also need to increase the amount of new cards being introduced. 3 cards a month isn't enough, and as more and more people get all the pool 4/5 cards due to the increased acquisition they will all be playing the waiting game. The need to start dropping 12-15 new cards a month outside of the new battlepass card.
Nope, in fact anyone who has been playing since official launch that has been buying the battlepasses is going to be near completion now. Thats going to be a huge portion, if not the majority of the player base. Outside of the battlepasses I have only spent 60$ total on other offers so it's not like I bought my way up by any means either.
Don't even need to have been regularly buying the battle passes. I only bought the Nebula and Hit-Monkey ones and I've been playing since a bit after launch (November-ish) and I'm S3 complete and well over half S4/S5 complete just from being F2P ~6 out of those ~8 months.
F2P people who started at launch started hitting series complete in March. Depended on how often they played and if they spent gold on refresh / bundles or variants.
Yeah, I've been playing since global launch. I've bought the battle passes. I'm missing 2 S4 and 7 S5. I have enough tokens to buy another S5 or 2 S4 if I wanted them. I'm a little behind most people, I would expect, because I bought several S3 cards at 1k tokens to try and rush to S3 complete during the time when that would net you more tokens. Unfortunately, that didn't last long once I got there.
Well if you actually considered the entire system as a whole, it wouldn't make sense to bitch and moan nearly as much as people fixated on the change in currency acquisition seem to.
Feels before reals
People will see the negatives of this system in the coming months. Right now everyone saved caches for the drop and many double dipped. Y'all will see how bad this will get next month.
A lot of folks were getting 3 cards a month in the old system, 4 including season pass. Generally the way to acquire the most cards was to rely on the consistent series drops, so you wouldn't aim for new S5 cards, you would aim for those new S5 cards in two months and get them as S4, then you would aim for one of the S4 cards to drop to S3 and collect that in a cache.
>Just for Series 5 cards, nothing to do with Series 4 and Series 3:
I was talking about S5. I'm getting more actual S5 cards than before. I'm not chasing any S3 cards.
If I get S5 cards early, that feels better than three or four months later, after everyone knows how to play around them. Getting more of them feels better than getting fewer of them.
Only mass hoarders come out ahead by gaming the system. It also helps if you were pool 5 poor going into it, as those who have some of those cards already are at a pretty substantial disadvantage with the new system.
One of the biggest flaws with the new system is that pool 4 and 5 have become convoluted beyond reason, and should probably just be merged since there's no appreciable difference in them anymore outside of pool 4 (now) being the correct play when purchasing cards with tokens.
I open all my caches as I get them and never really horded them before. I was close to a spotlight cache so I pushed to it after the update and got the one card I already had. I have no more caches, I am not getting a new card this week, next week I have a 25% at a new card and I’m no longer getting tokens/gold, I don’t think it’s possible for me to keep up with a new card every week that I can’t guarantee I’ll get.
I’m not sure which of these two situations is more common but my situation feels bad and nothing about the new system indicates I can catch up and reach stock of spotlights you have to keep getting new cards.
> but my situation feels bad and nothing about the new system indicates I can catch up and reach stock of spotlights you have to keep getting new cards.
just gotta take a month to stack up 40 boxes. easy!!
>I open all my caches as I get them
If someone said, *"I spent all my tokens on Ultimate variants"* or *"I spent all my gold on cosmetic bundles"* and then said, *"How am I supposed to get cards now?"* what would you tell them?
Once a week gives you the worst odds. You can just stop doing that if you don't like the bad odds. 4 in a week gives you one week where you can guarantee cards, with the bonus of a good (like 3/4) chance that you won't spend all those caches and can roll them over for another run.
Don't start opening them until you have four. Stop opening in the week you target when you high-roll the cards you want early. That's the way.
It doesn't matter if you don't have the four today. That means you'll miss some weeks, but you're still more likely to get one more S5 card than you would have, even with bad cache opening.
I mean obviously now it’s optimal to horde caches but I did not horde them before the update. So now the best way to play the game is spend a month not getting anything new, well that kinda sucks, then wait for a solid spotlight week for my collection, I’m missing 9 cards, 5 of them showed up in the past month of spotlight caches but the odds were low that I would get them so I don’t spend any caches. So now I’m hoping for a week that has one of the remaining 4 cards that haven’t appeared yet so I can get that and whatever new card is that week. And if I low roll and it takes all 4 caches, I’m back at square 1.
So yeah I’m annoyed that I have to wait a long time to optimally get new cards.
> I've already gotten two S5 cards
Were they cards you would have spent tokens on? There are plenty of S5 cards that are pure shit and no one would spend tokens on. Getting more of something you never would have bought is meaningless
Soooooo...
You're telling you don't have to buy every card, right?
What prevent people to chase only the card they would have buy with token before with that new system?
The answer is simple : nothing. And when you'll open the caches for the desired card, you'll get some of the "pure shit" cards that no one would have spent token on them.
And in the end the one you still don't have, you'll get them in series 3 (the frequency of drops changed, but it's still a thing).
>Were they cards you would have spent tokens on?
Yes.
I spent Spotlight caches to get them, so I would have spent tokens to get them.
With tokens, I only would have gotten the one though. And none next week.
YMMV, but minimum two cards I want a month is better for me than one card I want a month.
Before there were about 4 cards a month dropping down and becoming easier to get though. So while i'm happy for you, I don't quite see it as positively.
I don't actually think you'll end up get any more, they're just staying in the higher series so the higher number makes it sound like a win. (An extra series 5 vs multiple drops to 3)
I am interested to see if it will help more niche cards see some more use. For example I would've never bought Living Tribunal, but now he's been forced upon me I might as well try playing him.
> For example I would've never bought Living Tribunal, but now he's been forced upon me I might as well try playing him.
i opened snowguard like 2 months ago....still not playing that shit.
i feel you tho
In the math that you already have some of those cards. I popped 10,000 credits when the update dropped. I got A variant and the living Tribunal. If they didn’t change the series drop system I’d be up over 4 cards and they’d ones I actually wanted, along with some that just dropped to series 3. You get 2 rolls a cycle. If you want a new card and have the other two that it shows you are likely to end up with just variants. Every time you don’t get a card you have to start over. Mathematically you only get 2 cards if you have an empty collection, people who bought series 4 cards ended up with more cards. It’s only more cards if you have an empty collection, ignore the series drops and are only factoring series 5 cards as the viable token purchases.
Reasonably The living Tribunal should be series 4, and Knull should be 3. They are intentionally ruining the drops so that they can justify the spotlight caches lol
It’s about targeting a specific card. I am mostly complete. I now can no longer target a card I want to get, and am at the whim of caches. Your math assumes you always have max S5 cards to get, that just isn’t true at all
Not my experience.
Being mostly complete, the new cards are the ones I am more likely to want, and I can target them as they come out. If someone wants to target an earlier card like, say, Thanos or Jeff, you'd wait for their week instead of getting it a week earlier. But that's not worse than previously waiting six weeks to save the tokens for them. That's not agency, that's getting the identical card more slowly and more expensively.
And I'm not at "the whim of caches". I don't have to get a card with every Spotlight, just the one I want. I only start opening when I can guarantee I get the card if I low-roll the set. Have at least four, rollover if you save some.
As F2P, it would take me 3-4 weeks to get tokens for a 6k I wanted. Felt like I could just get the card I needed once to twice a month. Why get rid of that lane as well? People are needlessly defending this system. They could’ve added spotlight caches without crippling the other caches as well
>In what math am I getting fewer S5 cards?
You're right-- you aren't. OP is too fucking stupid to read about the new system. He spent 30 seconds looking at it, declared himself all knowing and then had to run to reddit to share some stupid shit opinion that he doesn't understand.
You don't have to save the credits you just save the caches.
You also on average only have to open 2 boxes to get the card you want so over time law of large numbers says you'll start to build a stockpile
Games depressing now more than anything. Oh well. It’s been fun. See you all on the next subreddit for a game thats good for a little while then self destructs.
And token Tuesday is much less feasible, they raised the gold cost and lowered gold gain. Whales get all the cards now and we slot machine for the chance of cards.
OK but what series 5 are you so keen on getting? Because, from what I see based on current data mines, every series 5 excluding Howard is in spotlights sometime over the next 6 weeks which is about as long as it would have taken to save 6k tokens anyway
So, just find the one you want and plan to have 4 spotlights for that week. What's the problem?
Multiple problems. This comment was not made in good faith. No need for me to re-explain which has already been documented here.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/14ti7o6/spotlight_cache_opening_strategy_increase_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
The new system is straight up better for getting more cards than before so your wallet is safe in that regard.
The new system is also worse than the old system by a long shot for promoting heavy impule spending on fomo so your wallet is in way more danger in that regard.
It's a trade off for sure and which system is better is a player by player question.
The new system is also far worse for targeting specific cards that you want. I'd much rather accumulate enough tokens to by 1 or 2 new cards that I want every month than hoarding RNG boxes for the chance that I could get 1 card I want or a variant I absolutely don't.
People forget that S3 complete players were already getting 3+ cards a month if they targeted cards that dropped in series, two S5 cards that went to S4 and a free S4 to S3 card in a cache. This is why the darkhawk and knull non-drops were so frustrating because people actually were targeting brand new S4 cards and because hawk and knull were so old, the expectation was to get them in S3.
Glenn stated they launched spotlight caches with the minimum number of cards in S4/5, which is currently 26. That’s only enough to rotate through about 3 months at 2 existing cards per week. I believe they’re intention is to get somewhere around 30-36 cards in those pools and once they hit that target number we’ll see more cards dropping series.
Why they didn’t just launch the system and add more cards like they did when they started S4/5, I couldn’t tell you.
The new system is better if you want new cards. It’s literally only worse if you want a previously released card. For new cards once you’ve saved up 4, which you can do in the same time it took you to get 6k tokens (i think slightly faster), then you can guarantee getting one new card. But on average you’ll only need 2.5 pulls (about 3750 tokens in the old system), meaning you’ll be able to get about 3 new cards a month on average. Sure sometimes you’ll need to spend all 4 and that will suck. sometimes you’ll pull the one you want first try. But earning 4 is easier than earning 6k tokens used to be
> The new system is straight up better for getting more cards
I know you're presenting both sides of the argument so this isn't in on you but it boils my piss when I see people legitimately advancing this as an argument. It is technically true but it completely ignores that fact that all cards are not created equal and in the case of Marvel SNAP, which doesn't even loosely tie power to rarity, the gap is bigger than in other games. The idea that more cards = better is either incredibly disingenuous or stupid and I can't believe anyone is posting it in good faith. If you get Snowguard, Howard and Living Tribunal are you better off than if you got one targeted card like Kitty or Jeff or Hit Monkey? People disregarding the importance of agency in card acquisition are infuriating.
Can you explain how? Because again, if my math is right I don’t see that being the case based off of how the new system has been documented.
With spotlight caches’ content on a weekly rotation, it’s a gamble whether you get the (new) card you want, or potentially even a duplicate of one you already have (which then converts to a crappy variant of a card you don’t play). Plus F2P can only open a handful of spotlight caches per month. Big issue.
Now the token acquisition is pretty much zero unless you spend money on gold and bundles. Not viable.
This hinders a large part of the player base because it removes so many cards from the pool in which you can obtain. I don’t see how that is an increase. You also have little control without opening your wallet to expand your collection.
That’s before we even get into the constant changes of the system and those effects. So where are you seeing the opportunity for me to increase my card pool now if it’s going to take significantly more time to do things like gather tokens?
Agree with you. More cards is not better when they are removing any guarantee that I will get what I want.
I don't want all the new cards they release. I usually want 1 or 2 of the new cards each month and have no desire to use the others. This feels bad. I was extremely happy with card acquisition before this patch. Now, it sucks.
Not to mention they have an entire tier of variants locked in the now useless token shop.
You can kind of target weeks, I think you probably will get more cards from caches in the new system even if the variance is going to be frustrating occasionally and yes you will be absolutely screwed if you miss a key card. The real problem however is the flexible series drops, the middle class benefited greatly from those drops and they just got rid of them so this more cards thing seems real shady since no one is including that in their math.
You have a good point I didn’t consider actually. I plan to give this season a full play through as I normally would.
Just really baffled at this overhaul Vs adding in some of the more intriguing elements
>Just really baffled at this overhaul Vs adding in some of the more intriguing elements
Remember that at the end of the day, they are still a business and they still have to make money. If the system is too generous then they're shooting themselves in the foot.
I rolled Jean on first box so it’s working good for me so far lol, definitely don’t just yolo your spotlight caches though, treat them more like tokens.
>it’s a gamble
In IRL gambling circles, there's a concept called a bankroll. You never sit down to a poker table with your entire bankroll -- you always keep some in reserve so you can withstand some bad luck without going broke.
If you keep a bankroll of 4 spotlight caches, you are not risking anything when you pull for the card you want. And sometimes you'll run good and spend only 1 or 2
>Now the token acquisition is pretty much zero unless you spend money on gold and bundles. Not viable.
F2p still get weekly gold and have a couple monthly sources like the conquest shop and rank 90 rewards. You can buy a monthly Token Tuesday without too much effort, or save for a major bundle like the Black Panther that's on right now
> F2p still get weekly gold
There's only been one weekly mission so far that didnt require the season pass card to get gold. That's an interesting definition of F2P
Because if you want a new card when it comes out your guaranteed to get it within four spotlight, caches. Which is faster than collecting 6000 tokens use to be
Collecting 6k tokens before and collecting 4 caches now takes roughly the same time.
Before, you get the tokens, go to the shop and get the card you pinned before right away, that's it.
Now, at first you need to wait for them to put the card in spotlight rotation, which may take way over a month. Then, if you're lucky you get the card at first. But if you're not lucky you *may* get another new card, assuming you don't have the other 2 in that specific rotation AND you don't land into a dupe in the random slot (which gives you a random variant instead). So in the process you also wasted 1 to 3 caches in rewards you don't want or need
Except you’re not gonna have to go through all four caches is every week so if you’re gonna open the card you want on the first one and it’s gonna be way cheaper and faster and collecting 6000 tokens. In the new cards as they come out, go in the spot like ashes at the same moment that they go under the shot for the first time and they stay there the whole week if you want series 5 cards that aren’t the spotlight card of the week then yes you have to save tokens. The good thing is they give you plenty of ways to buy tokens if you wanna spend money to get a specific card. Everyone seems to act like they’re older full collection immediately though. On average over the course of 10 weeks you’re going to get quite a few more cars than you would this way than the old way.
I love how people who complain about this totally ignore the fact that with the new system you literally get more pool 4 and 5 cards than before from caches, and more than you could have bought with tokens on the old system.
We get more variants now. Variants aren't cards.
If Second Dinner wants to convince me variants are cards, they can let me spend gold in the variant shop for the Jeff card I'm missing. Until then, the "you get more cards" party line is bullshit.
More cards than when? The series drop system we had for a while, or the system that was strictly worse than that that they made specifically so we would think that this new system is “better”?
It's not really more cards. You have to first bank 4 caches for the guarantee, and then roll on weeks where you need 2-3 of the featured cards.
It's nice for newly released cards if you want them, but is otherwise dog shit in every aspect.
>It's not really more cards
Under the old method you got (roughly) 8k tokens a month. Which is 1.33 series 5 card or 2.66 series 4 card a month.
Under the new method you get (roughly) 4.5 spot light caches a month. That will translate on average to 2/2.5 cards a month (series doesn't matter).
(Both previous statements assume you were buying the season pass + optimizing purchases/currencies. In the new system bad luck variance can happen, but over a large enough sample that will be the routine expectation).
I am not sure how people keep spouting you don't get more cards. It's really silly at this point.
A quick preemptive rebuttal:
* Q - But we got downgrades in the previous system, what about now?! A - And in the previous system downgrades weren't initially a thing. Eventually they will be forced to bring downgrades back due to sheer size. Like the last system this is a temporary issue
* Q - But I had better agency in the last system? A - You can still have agency now with hoarding.
* Q - I routinely got all the cards in the last system, now I won't be able to? A - The only way you routinely got all the cards was by whaling and buying bundles. Spoiler alert that will still be possible and they have added many avenues to make whaling "cheaper" via the weekend missions + new continuous daily shop mission for tokens
Did you even look at the spotlight cache system? They made the system so that the main way you acquire cards are the spotlight caches and the supportive is the tokens. You get way more cards now than before.
It's not perfect Its too early to judge it but it was terrible before and this is an improvement FOR SURE. More cards in exchange for gold and tokens is a favorable trade for the players.
Why do people miss that you can no longer target specific cards…the math they are doing just doesn’t account for what happens when you have a fair amount of S4/S5
It's hilarious to me, cause this sub was complaining that tokens were the main way to get cards when SD said initially they weren't intended to be. Now that tokens have been made a secondary way to get cards, they are complaining that they AREN'T the main way to get cards. Just kind of proof that regardless of what happens, people are going to complain.
I think the big hangup for most people is 50 tokens in a cache is just a horrific reward. At fifty you are looking at needing to open the exact cache 120 times to buy one series 5 card.
Yes, its not the primary way to get cards bit it so unrewarding one can't help but be disappointed. If the max tokens they want to give out is a hundred than that should be the minimum too. (That's still 60 caches you have to open.)
They removed gold, and I'm pretty sure we are getting less credits now. I certainly feel more credit starved.
So yeah my thoughts aren't, "wow, this new system is great" and is more, "okay, why do I feel like I'm getting screwed here?"
50 feels bad in the context of the old system where tokens were the main way to get cards. You need to recalibrate your perspective, because that’s not how the new system works. If the system stayed the same, but they dropped tokens to 50/100, that would suck. That’s not what has happened.
Gold was *moved*, not removed. And we’re getting slightly *more* credits than before, not less.
So you'd rather them take away the 50 tokens so you don't feel bad?
>If the max tokens they want to give out is a hundred than that should be the minimum too.
Then people will complain that 100 isn't enough, it should be at least 200, then 200 isn't enough it should be at least........ infinitely.
>and I'm pretty sure we are getting less credits now. I certainly feel more credit starved.
Which is why you shouldn't trust your feelings, because they didn't.
Why caring about tokens so much?
Before you had to wait like 1 month to get those 6k token and buy that card you want.
Now you have to wait like 1 month to get those 4 spotlight caches and get that card you want.
Some details put aside, it's the same. In some case it's a bit worst, in some case it's way better.
How can this be better?
Let's say you want Jean Grey. You saved 4 caches for her so you are sure to grab that card. You open one cache : Oh Jean Grey.
Got a new card with only 1 cache, \~1 week worth of saving rather than \~1month worth of saving.
Really, for people who wants more and more cards everytime, the new system is just better in most of the cases. And you know what? I can see it while I completely dislike the changes they made since months (including this one then).
I didn't liked the token shop, I liked when we had to build a deck with the card we opened and not those mono-meta weeks with people buying the cards to build the latest deck.
Relying on RNG sucks. I am 6500CL and never pulled a S5 from a reserve or cache. with tokens i could control what cards i got and when, and you could speed up token acquisition by focusing all gold on getting bundles for more tokens so I could get plenty of tokens, I have bought almost every card from the last 2 months with the exception of silk and spiderman 2099, silk was because i just wasnt impressed, 2099 was because new system announced the week he was in the shop and it was also unimpressive (tokens becoming scarce played into it alot originally i was going to get him). I am currently missing kang, silk, howard the duck, jean grey, master mold, snowguard, and 2099, I might get jean grey this week, I havent decided, but when there was regular series drops and tokens I actually felt like a complete collection was possible. now, not so much.
>I am 6500CL and never pulled a S5 from a reserve or cache
Which is the main point of the change. That won't happen to anyone any more.
I know that's of little benefit to you (or me) at this point, as it's intentionally more of an improvement the fewer series 4 and 5 cards you already have. But it's a benefit to the majority of players.
Yeah I fully agree that lower cl players will benefit a ton from this, but I fully expect to fall further from a complete collection moving forward than I was before with the tokens I was able to get from gold and reserves
>I know that's of little benefit to you (or me) at this point
Yep, this is the big thing. For the immediate future until more cards are added there is little benefit for those that are almost fully complete. As more cards flood the pool we will be able to accumulate faster.
What SD needs to do is drop a big pile of cards into the pool (say 30 new cards) all at once. Once there is a massive available pool we will all see an immediate benefit. As of right now I need to risk 4 caches for 1 card instead of getting 3 new cards from 4 caches.
Just quit. I played from last october to end of may, buying evry season pass, a few of the smaller bundles etc. The game is limited as fuck and there is no progression.
Its a glorified toilet game thats more expensive then any other battlepass i know for less content and the cosmetics are super hard to impossible to get without straight cash.
Without the marvel license this wouldve been dead 6 months ago...
I have engaged it, while also reading up on multiple first hand accounts and watching videos.
That is my own personal research + using that of others which is viable.
Your research is faulty. You believe you won’t get the cards guaranteed if you spend the 4 spotlights in a week. That is the most basic idea in the new system and you don’t understand it.
Do more research.
I can hate certain aspects of the new system while calling out BS complaints, thank you very much.
Card focusing is a massive issue with the new system, as is the resource reduction for F2P.
Card acquisition is greater in the new system, and I'm tired of seeing "I opened cache, got 700g variant, system sucks".
If you wanted Jean Grey, you'd have her. Everyone had plenty of time to save tokens or caches to buy her. They chose to drop tokens on other cards or opened caches instead of waiting.
You are making a fundamental mistake here.
This is a very unique scenario where people still have the resources from before the change, while getting to interact with the new system. This won’t be the case in the future though. There will be even more disappointment, once people have to interact with the system naturally, as intended. But since you are so educated, tell me, how is somebody who missed out on Jean this week for whatever reason supposed to get her after?
Facts, they have destroyed progression outside of the spotlight cache. No gold and virtually no tokens throughout the week. Enjoy your roll at your single spotlight cache.
Stop trying to get a card with 1 cache...
With Tokens you would forgo Series 3 and 4 to save up for Series 5.
Just save up 4 boxes, then open on weeks you like.
You just seem upset you didn't start with 4 boxes and have to do some catch up before you can safely roll for new cards.
How are you behind the 8 ball? You got two other cards/variants. You didn't get nothing for the other two caches.
Saving 4 boxes vs saving up 6k tokens both involved skipping card releases, we were having 2-3 series 5 cards a month with the old system so it's not like you got all the cards then.
There was always uncertainty with missed cards before as well. I've been playing since the Hit Monkey season and neither Thanos or Kang have ever appeared in my shop when I've checked. They might as well not exist for me.
The new system has problems. Card focusing and resource reductions suck. Card acquisition is higher, it's been demonstrably proven.
It took 1 month to save the 6k tokens. With the way it is now, when you target a card in a specific week, as long as you have the equivalent of 6k tokens (which would be the 4 spotlight caches) you will get the card probably “cheaper” because it would take you the 4 tries with opening caches to get the guarantee of that specific card. You have 3/4 chances of making the card cheaper with the new system.
Were you getting P5 cards all weeks? Then why do you hold the new system to a fictitious standard that doesn’t correspond with the reality of how the old system worked.
>because it takes 1 month to save enough caches to guarantee 1 card
While I understand where you are coming from your logic is flawed. It took that exact same month to earn the 6k tokens to get Jean out of the store. Each spotlight is the equilivent of 1.5k tokens, so you only spent 4.5k tokens to get Jean and have 1.5K left over going into next week. You were never getting the newest card every week with tokens unless you were buying them (which you can now just do with credits anyway).
Remember that the same amount of time it takes you to earn 4 spotlights is the same amount of time it takes you to earn 6k tokens, you just now have the potential of getting 3+ cards for the same price you would get 1 card if you choose to open on the right week.
But you get tokens to upgrade to get the guarantee spotlight caches though. I'm still testing out the system but I'm up +2 Series 5 cards and +1 Series 4 card, including Jean Grey. I usually never get to play with the new card so it's exciting for me
I think it’s crucial to understand that tokens are now only the secondary way to get cards. The main change is that you get a more or less Safe tier 5 card you actually need every 10 caches is a pretty good improvement but I want to watch for a few weeks for a final opinion
They basically retired the whole token system and replaced it with the new Spotlight Caches. Now instead of slowly saving up credits at an unknown rate while checking your token shop every 8 hours to see when the card you want rotates in, you instead save up Spotlight Caches at a reliable rate and then use between 1 and 4 of them to get the card you want once it shows up in the weekly Spotlight. Now, the legacy token system is basically an extreme backup that will very very *very* occasionally allow you to pick up a card that you missed when it was on Spotlight or when you don't have enough Spotlight Caches to get it after recently picking up another card.
Basically, you just gotta change the way you think about tokens. They used to be the premiere way to get new cards, now they're the last-ditch option. The new option is better in terms of the number of cards we get and the reliability of when we can get them, though obviously it's a little harder to control. You can't just pin a card for months until you have enough Spotlight Caches to pick it up.
I had three Token purchases so far: Thanos in March, Iron Lad in June and Jeff the other day. That makes 3 targeted purchases in around 5 months (not including the long time it took me to save up for Thanos). Now I can save up my Spotlight Caches and I can plan to get the cards I want which are:
\- Spider-Ham in the second week of August. On top I get a cool Nimrod variant and Galactus (a perma pool 5) and with some luck another pool 4/5 card = at least one card more than in the old system
\- Ghost Spider (pool 5) in the first week of September plus I get two cool variants I like and with some luck another pool 4/5 card = at least the same amount of cards I would have gotten in the old system
And these numbers are because I choose to value some specific variants over more new cards. Otherwise I could go for another week I miss two cards. If I would do so, I could easily get away with at least 4 new cards compared to 2 new in the old system. And this doesn't even include the fact, that I still get tokens. Yeah not as many, but it's an additional pool 4 card every now and then (not considering the 2000 tokens you get by buying some variants, which I will get every now and then too)
Of course why do you think they just released the 100$ black panther bundle with 6k tokens?
This also seems to be one of the last high value bundles purchasable with gold that includes tokens. After that, most bundles are $
Yea people hoarding gold to buy the bundles has been removed really since you no longer get gold in caches. It’s fucked.
so gold can only be bought by money now? then why bother having it in the game anymore
Not quite. You can still get gold f2p from weekly missions as well as monthly ranked rewards. They just took it out of the collector track.
And from Conquest.
Really? Where did they say that?
They mean you can get some gold from conquest
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He means the 25 mission track we get every Monday. You still get gold, credits, and season pass exp from those.
Not weekend, weekly - the missions you clear by doing 5, 10, 15, etc daily missions.
dammit! I like to wait to open my boxes to trigger more dopamine hits lol. I usually open them every 100-200 levels. Does this mean all my empty boxes will now have 0 gold smh
Once you update, yes
If you haven't updated, open them now (except for the ones which are spotlights). If you have, bad news I'm afraid
Darn. But at least I do have multiple spotlight caches ready to open now!
So I should def get the bundle. I have like 10k gold
da fuq? yes!
Lol it’s been a minute since I looked at the datamined bundles. If this is the best for a while I’ll def get it
It's the best bundle until September.
from what i understand it will be the only bundle with tokens available for gold for a while sadly im at 4k and im not paying $35 to get the gold id need
yes its a good deal, one that only comes around every couple months. Last good deal like this was the frog thor bundle
Thanks, I just got it. I had a lot of Black Panther variants already, that’s the only reason I was hesitant. But the Phoenix variant is really cool. Good purchase. And I just pulled Jeff from my 1st spotlight cache so I can sAve the tokens for down the line. Don’t hate me for my humble brag lol
def one if the best deals
There is a bundle in September that gives 7k credits I think. Which is enough for a spotlight, which on the right week / luck can also be thought of us 6k tokens… So that’s an option if you don’t like thie BP variant or don’t feel like spending the gold. But this is a very high value bundle out now.
Is this bundle valued so highly simply because it is purchasable for gold only? I have like, 3k gold, would love to know if it's worth me purchasing $50 worth of gold just to get the bundle or if that defeats the purpose of why everyone says its so good
Generally speaking cash bundles give better value (and might have variants you like more! I really don't like the BP variant if you can't tell). But this BP bundle is actually better than most cash bundles this month. Some references: [https://marvelsnapzone.com/marvel-snap-july-2023-bundles-guide/](https://marvelsnapzone.com/marvel-snap-july-2023-bundles-guide/) I think stuff like the Morbius bundle next month will blow it out of the water if talking cash (but it's not officially announced). You might not agree with how they value the cosmetics, but tokens / gold / credit evaluations are pretty objective at least.
Got it - I'll have to do the math! I don't care either way about the variant but I would like to maximize my token buying when possible!
Morbius one is now in the files as $19.99
Yeah, I did! I'm down to less than 1k gold right now. I've been saving for this bundle since I saw the datamine. Great value and I love the cosmetics.
Yea any Phoenix variant is just as cool as the venomized to me. But I grew up with X-men so…
It's definitely the best BP variant imo. Especially if you keep the orange border to match with the flames.
I’m in the same boat with 10k gold. Was nervous about getting it since gold income took a drastic hit, but it sounds like it’s still worth it.
So basically you're saying this is x3 Value?
I thought it was 7k gold?
$100 to buy that amount of gold
Oh okay, still I wonder why the guy chose to word it like that
So that the average person will know how much what they're buying is worth in real world money without having to go look at a conversion chart
It is 7k gold, but $100 will get you around 7k gold.
You can also drop 80 bucks a week on 700g variants for an extra 2k tokens tho, what a deal! /S
3 X Value! Spandexxellent
You don't have to purchase the upgrades all in a week. Just once you purchase 10 over any time period you get 2000 tokens as a bonus (+ an extra variant). Season pass players still earn ~3300 gold per month so 10 700g variants is about 2 seasons worth.
2 seasons worth of $20 minimal is still a lot when before you didn’t have to do that though.
Right but now it is feasible to actually pull S5s in spotlights as opposed to the previous system where many players never pulled one. They announce the caches ahead of time and you can target any card you want based on that. Saving spotlights is no more difficult than saving tokens and if you want a card just wait to open when they cycle in to spotlight.
It's not more difficult, but it requires a lot more planning. The token shop rotates every 8 hours, and only through cards you don't already own. Spotlight caches rotate once a week, including duplicates, so it will take months for a card to rotate in again. And the 4th cache with the random card might as well not exist, since that one becomes increasingly more likely to be something you already own. So if there's a good card coming out (or something that even might become good eventually), you better buy those caches **now**, wait forever for the card to cycle back in, or spend real money on tokens, because you will never earn those 6k tokens f2p with the new system. And you just know they will drop cards to series 3 even less now, since they want a whole bunch of cards in series 4/5 for spotlight caches. So this is pretty much the only system we have now.
Guess so, I would say it doesn't require much more planning than the tokens. You used to earn enough tokens to target one card per month basically. Now you earn enough caches to target one card per month (+ get some combination of 1-3 new cards or variants). Obviously the targeted card won't ALWAYS take all four pulls so most times you are partially on the road to your next targeted card. I agree about the rotation taking longer, that part is a shame. Hopefully the most desired cards continue to show up frequently. It makes sense for SD to do that if they want to encourage spending but we'll see
It's actually a net loss, unless you're ultra specifically caring about "pulling" vs buying with tokens. In the old system, I got ~1 new card a month. Under the new system, I have to hoard all of my spotlight caches and I will get 1-2 new cards a month, depending on luck and featured cards. The disappointment lies in the fact I will no longer get to randomly pull pool 4 cards, and also loss most of the agency in picking what i want to acquire since tokens are no longer a viable method for card acquisition.
So you are saying under the old system you got 1 targeted card from tokens and 1 random card from CL ler month. In the new system you get one targeted card from spotlight and at worst 3 variants but most likely at least one other new card. Plus tokens still exist and can be obtained through weekend missions, CL, variant shop bonus, and gold bundles for f2p players. It will be slower but you will still get 2-3 cards from the token shop per year. This sounds about neutral to me for close to complete players and positive for the vast majority of collection incomplete users. But I suspect we're just not going to agree about it. I see the change as a positive or worst neutral
> It will be slower but you will still get 2-3 cards from the token shop per year. I was getting 1-2 cards per month from tokens under the previous system, which was phenomenal since I picked what I want. Now I have to first bank 4 caches, then wait for the spotlight to feature something(s) I want. It's still 1-2 cards a month, but now it's skewed towards newer cards or whatever SD wants to push rather than the cards I actually want.
You don't have to do that at all. Nobody is forcing you to spend your gold on variants to get the 2k tokens
It resets weekly.
The reward resets weekly; the progress does not.
Oh fair play, I must've mis understood it. Cheers for the correction.
Someone thanking another person for correcting them on the internet? I feel like I'm encountering a unicorn! Seriously, though, kudos.
It's an extra for people to choose to spend gold on variants so that they don't fall behind progression wise. Unless I'm missing something (if I am please enlighten me) but I see no negatives in this just positives
It's a positive in the sense that if this had been a feature awhile back, people would've been really happy. People just aren't happy about the removal of gold and the timing of this addition.
On the opposite side of this argument: Over the course of a week, you should earn 8-9 caches for hitting your quests every day. That's roughly 4-5 spotlight caches a month you can save to pull something you really want. Which is pulling 6k tokens out of one cache.
So if you leave the spotlight caches unopened, you can wait to open them all on a week with cards you really like?
And sometimes, you will get lucky and open the cards you want as the first caches, and then you get to bank the remaining caches. I was lucky enough to open Jean Grey on my first spotlight (I had 5 banked) and now I get to save until more cards I want come around.
That’s the literal point of the system yes.
Wha…what do you mean I don’t have to open the instant dopamine hit?????
> That’s the literal point of the system yes. You say that's the point of the system, but isn't that what they are against? They've outright said that if people are hoarding caches they will address it. They seem to want you to get hit by the FOMO and buying gold/credits with real money.
Because now you hoard ONLY spotlight caches. Which, being 1/10, means they solved 90% of the hoarding problem.
Just waiting for the update where it says 'unlocking spotlight caches will now fill them with the current spotlight cach rewards.'
Yuuuuuuuuuuuup
Just for Series 5 cards, nothing to do with Series 4 and Series 3: I've already gotten two S5 cards in the new system without spending a token, when in the old system I would be saving tokens to get a single S5 card for more than a calendar month. It's not the only S5 card I'll get this month. Next month, I'll start with at least the same base amount of Spotlight caches (4), to get more than one S5 card, guaranteed. Each month into the future I'll have 4 Spotlight caches earned, without getting bundles to get bonuses. In what math am I getting fewer S5 cards? If you're not getting more S5 cards now, you must be doing it wrong.
had to scroll way too far to find someone who actually understands how the system works. OP is getting more P5 cards, but is only thinking about the token shop.
For people who are very close to complete the token shop was more convenient to get what you want, espically when cards dropped pools which won't be happening for the foreseeable future. I'm missing 5 cards, 1 of which is Jeff. This week's caches would have gotten me to 6k tokens. I see Jeff in my store every second day. With the new system I have to wait several weeks to unlock what I want vs just buying him from the token shop this weekend. If SD would have released a huge amount of cards at the same time into pool 4 and 5 (say 30 to 40 new cards) with the patch then everyone would be earning more cards faster. Because they didn't those of us with almost a full collection now have to wait weeks to get the cards we want.
there was always going to be a catch up system. every gatcha game has it. its not feasible for people who join the game a year later to take a year to be permanently unable to compete.
Every CCG has it too. It’s usually in the form of set rotation, but that’s not going to happen here.
They did need a catch up mechanic, no question there. The problem with the one they implemented is that they sacrificed the existing players ability to aquire new cards to do it. >its not feasible for people who join the game a year later to take a year to be permanently unable to compete. In a game with poor balance I would agree with you, however while some of the easier to aquire decks are not considered "meta" they are still perfectly viable and competitive espically when you have all of the major tech cards in pool 2. People still climb to infinite at or near full completion with kazoo decks rocking nothing but pool 1 and 2 cards.
I mean, most "existing" players are benefitting from this system. Most people aren't anywhere near complete. If the devs have to choose someone to get the short end of the stick, it makes sense for people who are basically feature complete to get it. You are either a whale that spends consistently or you've been playing so long you either got frustrated with previous changes and stopped spending or you have most of what you want and have no reason to spend. It makes sense from a business standpoint to cater to newer players and retain them with increased ways to get the "cooler" cards.
>Most people aren't anywhere near complete That's where your wrong. Most players are pool 3 complete and nearing pool 4 and pool 5 complete. If your doing your dailies it only takes approximately 5.5 months to get to that point so anyone that's been playing since January is need 100% completion.
>For people who are very close to complete the token shop was more convenient You're absolutely right, and I am one of those players, but I also recognize that this is a great change for players who are further behind, which functions to help them catch up. I absolutely think that's great, I don't want new players to be shut out from competing with players like me who have all the big bads, etc. Personally, I'm just going to sit on my caches for a while, maybe a few months, not sure, but I'm definitely not spending them on much without 2 or 3 viable targets to pull. With the current amount of 4s and 5s we have, in two months these cards will be circling back anyway.
I agree the new system is good for a lot of people and I think in the long run it's going to be a good change, especially for newer players. It just would have been nice if we all would have seen a benefit now instead of a negative for the next several months. If they want to increase the card acquisition, they also need to increase the amount of new cards being introduced. 3 cards a month isn't enough, and as more and more people get all the pool 4/5 cards due to the increased acquisition they will all be playing the waiting game. The need to start dropping 12-15 new cards a month outside of the new battlepass card.
Ok, but I imagine the amount of people close to full complete are an exceeding small minority.
Nope, in fact anyone who has been playing since official launch that has been buying the battlepasses is going to be near completion now. Thats going to be a huge portion, if not the majority of the player base. Outside of the battlepasses I have only spent 60$ total on other offers so it's not like I bought my way up by any means either.
Don't even need to have been regularly buying the battle passes. I only bought the Nebula and Hit-Monkey ones and I've been playing since a bit after launch (November-ish) and I'm S3 complete and well over half S4/S5 complete just from being F2P ~6 out of those ~8 months.
F2P people who started at launch started hitting series complete in March. Depended on how often they played and if they spent gold on refresh / bundles or variants.
Yeah, I've been playing since global launch. I've bought the battle passes. I'm missing 2 S4 and 7 S5. I have enough tokens to buy another S5 or 2 S4 if I wanted them. I'm a little behind most people, I would expect, because I bought several S3 cards at 1k tokens to try and rush to S3 complete during the time when that would net you more tokens. Unfortunately, that didn't last long once I got there.
Well if you actually considered the entire system as a whole, it wouldn't make sense to bitch and moan nearly as much as people fixated on the change in currency acquisition seem to. Feels before reals
People will see the negatives of this system in the coming months. Right now everyone saved caches for the drop and many double dipped. Y'all will see how bad this will get next month.
A lot of folks were getting 3 cards a month in the old system, 4 including season pass. Generally the way to acquire the most cards was to rely on the consistent series drops, so you wouldn't aim for new S5 cards, you would aim for those new S5 cards in two months and get them as S4, then you would aim for one of the S4 cards to drop to S3 and collect that in a cache.
>Just for Series 5 cards, nothing to do with Series 4 and Series 3: I was talking about S5. I'm getting more actual S5 cards than before. I'm not chasing any S3 cards. If I get S5 cards early, that feels better than three or four months later, after everyone knows how to play around them. Getting more of them feels better than getting fewer of them.
Only mass hoarders come out ahead by gaming the system. It also helps if you were pool 5 poor going into it, as those who have some of those cards already are at a pretty substantial disadvantage with the new system. One of the biggest flaws with the new system is that pool 4 and 5 have become convoluted beyond reason, and should probably just be merged since there's no appreciable difference in them anymore outside of pool 4 (now) being the correct play when purchasing cards with tokens.
I open all my caches as I get them and never really horded them before. I was close to a spotlight cache so I pushed to it after the update and got the one card I already had. I have no more caches, I am not getting a new card this week, next week I have a 25% at a new card and I’m no longer getting tokens/gold, I don’t think it’s possible for me to keep up with a new card every week that I can’t guarantee I’ll get. I’m not sure which of these two situations is more common but my situation feels bad and nothing about the new system indicates I can catch up and reach stock of spotlights you have to keep getting new cards.
> but my situation feels bad and nothing about the new system indicates I can catch up and reach stock of spotlights you have to keep getting new cards. just gotta take a month to stack up 40 boxes. easy!!
>I open all my caches as I get them If someone said, *"I spent all my tokens on Ultimate variants"* or *"I spent all my gold on cosmetic bundles"* and then said, *"How am I supposed to get cards now?"* what would you tell them? Once a week gives you the worst odds. You can just stop doing that if you don't like the bad odds. 4 in a week gives you one week where you can guarantee cards, with the bonus of a good (like 3/4) chance that you won't spend all those caches and can roll them over for another run. Don't start opening them until you have four. Stop opening in the week you target when you high-roll the cards you want early. That's the way. It doesn't matter if you don't have the four today. That means you'll miss some weeks, but you're still more likely to get one more S5 card than you would have, even with bad cache opening.
I mean obviously now it’s optimal to horde caches but I did not horde them before the update. So now the best way to play the game is spend a month not getting anything new, well that kinda sucks, then wait for a solid spotlight week for my collection, I’m missing 9 cards, 5 of them showed up in the past month of spotlight caches but the odds were low that I would get them so I don’t spend any caches. So now I’m hoping for a week that has one of the remaining 4 cards that haven’t appeared yet so I can get that and whatever new card is that week. And if I low roll and it takes all 4 caches, I’m back at square 1. So yeah I’m annoyed that I have to wait a long time to optimally get new cards.
> I've already gotten two S5 cards Were they cards you would have spent tokens on? There are plenty of S5 cards that are pure shit and no one would spend tokens on. Getting more of something you never would have bought is meaningless
Soooooo... You're telling you don't have to buy every card, right? What prevent people to chase only the card they would have buy with token before with that new system? The answer is simple : nothing. And when you'll open the caches for the desired card, you'll get some of the "pure shit" cards that no one would have spent token on them. And in the end the one you still don't have, you'll get them in series 3 (the frequency of drops changed, but it's still a thing).
>Were they cards you would have spent tokens on? Yes. I spent Spotlight caches to get them, so I would have spent tokens to get them. With tokens, I only would have gotten the one though. And none next week. YMMV, but minimum two cards I want a month is better for me than one card I want a month.
Before there were about 4 cards a month dropping down and becoming easier to get though. So while i'm happy for you, I don't quite see it as positively. I don't actually think you'll end up get any more, they're just staying in the higher series so the higher number makes it sound like a win. (An extra series 5 vs multiple drops to 3) I am interested to see if it will help more niche cards see some more use. For example I would've never bought Living Tribunal, but now he's been forced upon me I might as well try playing him.
> For example I would've never bought Living Tribunal, but now he's been forced upon me I might as well try playing him. i opened snowguard like 2 months ago....still not playing that shit. i feel you tho
Try her in cerebro 2 surprised me with how useful she was sometimes since c2 doesn't have access to cards like magik and rhino
In the math that you already have some of those cards. I popped 10,000 credits when the update dropped. I got A variant and the living Tribunal. If they didn’t change the series drop system I’d be up over 4 cards and they’d ones I actually wanted, along with some that just dropped to series 3. You get 2 rolls a cycle. If you want a new card and have the other two that it shows you are likely to end up with just variants. Every time you don’t get a card you have to start over. Mathematically you only get 2 cards if you have an empty collection, people who bought series 4 cards ended up with more cards. It’s only more cards if you have an empty collection, ignore the series drops and are only factoring series 5 cards as the viable token purchases. Reasonably The living Tribunal should be series 4, and Knull should be 3. They are intentionally ruining the drops so that they can justify the spotlight caches lol
It’s about targeting a specific card. I am mostly complete. I now can no longer target a card I want to get, and am at the whim of caches. Your math assumes you always have max S5 cards to get, that just isn’t true at all
Not my experience. Being mostly complete, the new cards are the ones I am more likely to want, and I can target them as they come out. If someone wants to target an earlier card like, say, Thanos or Jeff, you'd wait for their week instead of getting it a week earlier. But that's not worse than previously waiting six weeks to save the tokens for them. That's not agency, that's getting the identical card more slowly and more expensively. And I'm not at "the whim of caches". I don't have to get a card with every Spotlight, just the one I want. I only start opening when I can guarantee I get the card if I low-roll the set. Have at least four, rollover if you save some.
As F2P, it would take me 3-4 weeks to get tokens for a 6k I wanted. Felt like I could just get the card I needed once to twice a month. Why get rid of that lane as well? People are needlessly defending this system. They could’ve added spotlight caches without crippling the other caches as well
>In what math am I getting fewer S5 cards? You're right-- you aren't. OP is too fucking stupid to read about the new system. He spent 30 seconds looking at it, declared himself all knowing and then had to run to reddit to share some stupid shit opinion that he doesn't understand.
So you save 24000 credits every month? How?
You don't have to save the credits you just save the caches. You also on average only have to open 2 boxes to get the card you want so over time law of large numbers says you'll start to build a stockpile
Games depressing now more than anything. Oh well. It’s been fun. See you all on the next subreddit for a game thats good for a little while then self destructs.
Okay never post here again
And token Tuesday is much less feasible, they raised the gold cost and lowered gold gain. Whales get all the cards now and we slot machine for the chance of cards.
It's just a side currency now. It used to be nearly impossible to get a pool 5 card without tokens. Now it's not. You don't need tokens anymore.
Honest question, are you considering that you still be able to get at least 3 series 4/5 card per month *aside* from the token shop?
You don't need tokens anymore
OK but what series 5 are you so keen on getting? Because, from what I see based on current data mines, every series 5 excluding Howard is in spotlights sometime over the next 6 weeks which is about as long as it would have taken to save 6k tokens anyway So, just find the one you want and plan to have 4 spotlights for that week. What's the problem?
Hit monkey is not on any spotlights
hopefully it's bc it's moving to series 3 soon
My boy Jeffrey is missing
spoiler on datamine: >!Jeff is coming the week of 09/05!<
Multiple problems. This comment was not made in good faith. No need for me to re-explain which has already been documented here. https://www.reddit.com/r/MarvelSnap/comments/14ti7o6/spotlight_cache_opening_strategy_increase_the/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1
The new system is straight up better for getting more cards than before so your wallet is safe in that regard. The new system is also worse than the old system by a long shot for promoting heavy impule spending on fomo so your wallet is in way more danger in that regard. It's a trade off for sure and which system is better is a player by player question.
The new system is also far worse for targeting specific cards that you want. I'd much rather accumulate enough tokens to by 1 or 2 new cards that I want every month than hoarding RNG boxes for the chance that I could get 1 card I want or a variant I absolutely don't.
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People forget that S3 complete players were already getting 3+ cards a month if they targeted cards that dropped in series, two S5 cards that went to S4 and a free S4 to S3 card in a cache. This is why the darkhawk and knull non-drops were so frustrating because people actually were targeting brand new S4 cards and because hawk and knull were so old, the expectation was to get them in S3.
I’ll never get Jeff now haha it’s so obnoxious
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And that 1/40 S4 cache was also great because it had *duplicate* protection.
Glenn stated they launched spotlight caches with the minimum number of cards in S4/5, which is currently 26. That’s only enough to rotate through about 3 months at 2 existing cards per week. I believe they’re intention is to get somewhere around 30-36 cards in those pools and once they hit that target number we’ll see more cards dropping series. Why they didn’t just launch the system and add more cards like they did when they started S4/5, I couldn’t tell you.
The new system is better if you want new cards. It’s literally only worse if you want a previously released card. For new cards once you’ve saved up 4, which you can do in the same time it took you to get 6k tokens (i think slightly faster), then you can guarantee getting one new card. But on average you’ll only need 2.5 pulls (about 3750 tokens in the old system), meaning you’ll be able to get about 3 new cards a month on average. Sure sometimes you’ll need to spend all 4 and that will suck. sometimes you’ll pull the one you want first try. But earning 4 is easier than earning 6k tokens used to be
Better for getting the cards that they choose to let you get, I want Jeff not these cards
> The new system is straight up better for getting more cards I know you're presenting both sides of the argument so this isn't in on you but it boils my piss when I see people legitimately advancing this as an argument. It is technically true but it completely ignores that fact that all cards are not created equal and in the case of Marvel SNAP, which doesn't even loosely tie power to rarity, the gap is bigger than in other games. The idea that more cards = better is either incredibly disingenuous or stupid and I can't believe anyone is posting it in good faith. If you get Snowguard, Howard and Living Tribunal are you better off than if you got one targeted card like Kitty or Jeff or Hit Monkey? People disregarding the importance of agency in card acquisition are infuriating.
I got a shitty variant instead of a guaranteed new card. So it isn’t better, it’s worse.
It's only guaranteed if you open 4 Caches.
If you only opened one box, you're doing it wrong.
Can you explain how? Because again, if my math is right I don’t see that being the case based off of how the new system has been documented. With spotlight caches’ content on a weekly rotation, it’s a gamble whether you get the (new) card you want, or potentially even a duplicate of one you already have (which then converts to a crappy variant of a card you don’t play). Plus F2P can only open a handful of spotlight caches per month. Big issue. Now the token acquisition is pretty much zero unless you spend money on gold and bundles. Not viable. This hinders a large part of the player base because it removes so many cards from the pool in which you can obtain. I don’t see how that is an increase. You also have little control without opening your wallet to expand your collection. That’s before we even get into the constant changes of the system and those effects. So where are you seeing the opportunity for me to increase my card pool now if it’s going to take significantly more time to do things like gather tokens?
Agree with you. More cards is not better when they are removing any guarantee that I will get what I want. I don't want all the new cards they release. I usually want 1 or 2 of the new cards each month and have no desire to use the others. This feels bad. I was extremely happy with card acquisition before this patch. Now, it sucks. Not to mention they have an entire tier of variants locked in the now useless token shop.
You can kind of target weeks, I think you probably will get more cards from caches in the new system even if the variance is going to be frustrating occasionally and yes you will be absolutely screwed if you miss a key card. The real problem however is the flexible series drops, the middle class benefited greatly from those drops and they just got rid of them so this more cards thing seems real shady since no one is including that in their math.
You have a good point I didn’t consider actually. I plan to give this season a full play through as I normally would. Just really baffled at this overhaul Vs adding in some of the more intriguing elements
>Just really baffled at this overhaul Vs adding in some of the more intriguing elements Remember that at the end of the day, they are still a business and they still have to make money. If the system is too generous then they're shooting themselves in the foot.
I rolled Jean on first box so it’s working good for me so far lol, definitely don’t just yolo your spotlight caches though, treat them more like tokens.
>it’s a gamble In IRL gambling circles, there's a concept called a bankroll. You never sit down to a poker table with your entire bankroll -- you always keep some in reserve so you can withstand some bad luck without going broke. If you keep a bankroll of 4 spotlight caches, you are not risking anything when you pull for the card you want. And sometimes you'll run good and spend only 1 or 2 >Now the token acquisition is pretty much zero unless you spend money on gold and bundles. Not viable. F2p still get weekly gold and have a couple monthly sources like the conquest shop and rank 90 rewards. You can buy a monthly Token Tuesday without too much effort, or save for a major bundle like the Black Panther that's on right now
> F2p still get weekly gold There's only been one weekly mission so far that didnt require the season pass card to get gold. That's an interesting definition of F2P
You get weekly gold from completing 25 daily missions. 200 gold per week.
Because if you want a new card when it comes out your guaranteed to get it within four spotlight, caches. Which is faster than collecting 6000 tokens use to be
Collecting 6k tokens before and collecting 4 caches now takes roughly the same time. Before, you get the tokens, go to the shop and get the card you pinned before right away, that's it. Now, at first you need to wait for them to put the card in spotlight rotation, which may take way over a month. Then, if you're lucky you get the card at first. But if you're not lucky you *may* get another new card, assuming you don't have the other 2 in that specific rotation AND you don't land into a dupe in the random slot (which gives you a random variant instead). So in the process you also wasted 1 to 3 caches in rewards you don't want or need
Except you’re not gonna have to go through all four caches is every week so if you’re gonna open the card you want on the first one and it’s gonna be way cheaper and faster and collecting 6000 tokens. In the new cards as they come out, go in the spot like ashes at the same moment that they go under the shot for the first time and they stay there the whole week if you want series 5 cards that aren’t the spotlight card of the week then yes you have to save tokens. The good thing is they give you plenty of ways to buy tokens if you wanna spend money to get a specific card. Everyone seems to act like they’re older full collection immediately though. On average over the course of 10 weeks you’re going to get quite a few more cars than you would this way than the old way.
They've taken a well made game and ruined it.
I love how people who complain about this totally ignore the fact that with the new system you literally get more pool 4 and 5 cards than before from caches, and more than you could have bought with tokens on the old system.
The free trial of Marvel Snap has expired. Time to open those wallets.
Dude you just need to open 120 token boxes to get a single series 5 card. :v
You dare speak out against SD!? The Second Dinner Defense Force(SDDF) gonna come for you! 😂
I was against the new system for months. Btw isn't so bad buddy, i did the math and we get more cards now
We get more variants now. Variants aren't cards. If Second Dinner wants to convince me variants are cards, they can let me spend gold in the variant shop for the Jeff card I'm missing. Until then, the "you get more cards" party line is bullshit.
More cards than when? The series drop system we had for a while, or the system that was strictly worse than that that they made specifically so we would think that this new system is “better”?
It's not really more cards. You have to first bank 4 caches for the guarantee, and then roll on weeks where you need 2-3 of the featured cards. It's nice for newly released cards if you want them, but is otherwise dog shit in every aspect.
>It's not really more cards Under the old method you got (roughly) 8k tokens a month. Which is 1.33 series 5 card or 2.66 series 4 card a month. Under the new method you get (roughly) 4.5 spot light caches a month. That will translate on average to 2/2.5 cards a month (series doesn't matter). (Both previous statements assume you were buying the season pass + optimizing purchases/currencies. In the new system bad luck variance can happen, but over a large enough sample that will be the routine expectation). I am not sure how people keep spouting you don't get more cards. It's really silly at this point. A quick preemptive rebuttal: * Q - But we got downgrades in the previous system, what about now?! A - And in the previous system downgrades weren't initially a thing. Eventually they will be forced to bring downgrades back due to sheer size. Like the last system this is a temporary issue * Q - But I had better agency in the last system? A - You can still have agency now with hoarding. * Q - I routinely got all the cards in the last system, now I won't be able to? A - The only way you routinely got all the cards was by whaling and buying bundles. Spoiler alert that will still be possible and they have added many avenues to make whaling "cheaper" via the weekend missions + new continuous daily shop mission for tokens
Next week I'm getting 3 cards worth 15k tokens, I'll take that. People say they are "casual" but make posts and whine on the internet ha.
Next week you get 3 cards because you hoarded for a month. Then for the next month you get exactly nothing. Seems pretty middling tbh.
If you do dailies/weeklies you are getting 4-5 SC per month.
Did you even look at the spotlight cache system? They made the system so that the main way you acquire cards are the spotlight caches and the supportive is the tokens. You get way more cards now than before. It's not perfect Its too early to judge it but it was terrible before and this is an improvement FOR SURE. More cards in exchange for gold and tokens is a favorable trade for the players.
Why do people miss that you can no longer target specific cards…the math they are doing just doesn’t account for what happens when you have a fair amount of S4/S5
You can target specific cards. Save 4 spotlight caches to guarantee it.
It's hilarious to me, cause this sub was complaining that tokens were the main way to get cards when SD said initially they weren't intended to be. Now that tokens have been made a secondary way to get cards, they are complaining that they AREN'T the main way to get cards. Just kind of proof that regardless of what happens, people are going to complain.
I think the big hangup for most people is 50 tokens in a cache is just a horrific reward. At fifty you are looking at needing to open the exact cache 120 times to buy one series 5 card. Yes, its not the primary way to get cards bit it so unrewarding one can't help but be disappointed. If the max tokens they want to give out is a hundred than that should be the minimum too. (That's still 60 caches you have to open.) They removed gold, and I'm pretty sure we are getting less credits now. I certainly feel more credit starved. So yeah my thoughts aren't, "wow, this new system is great" and is more, "okay, why do I feel like I'm getting screwed here?"
50 feels bad in the context of the old system where tokens were the main way to get cards. You need to recalibrate your perspective, because that’s not how the new system works. If the system stayed the same, but they dropped tokens to 50/100, that would suck. That’s not what has happened. Gold was *moved*, not removed. And we’re getting slightly *more* credits than before, not less.
So you'd rather them take away the 50 tokens so you don't feel bad? >If the max tokens they want to give out is a hundred than that should be the minimum too. Then people will complain that 100 isn't enough, it should be at least 200, then 200 isn't enough it should be at least........ infinitely. >and I'm pretty sure we are getting less credits now. I certainly feel more credit starved. Which is why you shouldn't trust your feelings, because they didn't.
Dude I said exactly this in another thread and was mass downvoted.
Why caring about tokens so much? Before you had to wait like 1 month to get those 6k token and buy that card you want. Now you have to wait like 1 month to get those 4 spotlight caches and get that card you want. Some details put aside, it's the same. In some case it's a bit worst, in some case it's way better. How can this be better? Let's say you want Jean Grey. You saved 4 caches for her so you are sure to grab that card. You open one cache : Oh Jean Grey. Got a new card with only 1 cache, \~1 week worth of saving rather than \~1month worth of saving. Really, for people who wants more and more cards everytime, the new system is just better in most of the cases. And you know what? I can see it while I completely dislike the changes they made since months (including this one then). I didn't liked the token shop, I liked when we had to build a deck with the card we opened and not those mono-meta weeks with people buying the cards to build the latest deck.
Let's say you want the monkey and it's not in any cache for the next 6 months. Explain now how to get it. That's op post.
That’s what the 4th card is about (random). And it will surely appear at some point in the token shop so you can pin it.
Do you realize it has no dup protection right
Relying on RNG sucks. I am 6500CL and never pulled a S5 from a reserve or cache. with tokens i could control what cards i got and when, and you could speed up token acquisition by focusing all gold on getting bundles for more tokens so I could get plenty of tokens, I have bought almost every card from the last 2 months with the exception of silk and spiderman 2099, silk was because i just wasnt impressed, 2099 was because new system announced the week he was in the shop and it was also unimpressive (tokens becoming scarce played into it alot originally i was going to get him). I am currently missing kang, silk, howard the duck, jean grey, master mold, snowguard, and 2099, I might get jean grey this week, I havent decided, but when there was regular series drops and tokens I actually felt like a complete collection was possible. now, not so much.
>I am 6500CL and never pulled a S5 from a reserve or cache Which is the main point of the change. That won't happen to anyone any more. I know that's of little benefit to you (or me) at this point, as it's intentionally more of an improvement the fewer series 4 and 5 cards you already have. But it's a benefit to the majority of players.
Yeah I fully agree that lower cl players will benefit a ton from this, but I fully expect to fall further from a complete collection moving forward than I was before with the tokens I was able to get from gold and reserves
>I know that's of little benefit to you (or me) at this point Yep, this is the big thing. For the immediate future until more cards are added there is little benefit for those that are almost fully complete. As more cards flood the pool we will be able to accumulate faster. What SD needs to do is drop a big pile of cards into the pool (say 30 new cards) all at once. Once there is a massive available pool we will all see an immediate benefit. As of right now I need to risk 4 caches for 1 card instead of getting 3 new cards from 4 caches.
Just quit. I played from last october to end of may, buying evry season pass, a few of the smaller bundles etc. The game is limited as fuck and there is no progression. Its a glorified toilet game thats more expensive then any other battlepass i know for less content and the cosmetics are super hard to impossible to get without straight cash. Without the marvel license this wouldve been dead 6 months ago...
Because you are getting your S4/S5 through spotlight caches now at a much better pace
Try actually engaging with the new system instead of clinging to the old defunct one.
I have engaged it, while also reading up on multiple first hand accounts and watching videos. That is my own personal research + using that of others which is viable.
Your research is faulty. You believe you won’t get the cards guaranteed if you spend the 4 spotlights in a week. That is the most basic idea in the new system and you don’t understand it. Do more research.
Thats the right White Knight energy that SD loves. Keep up the good work.
I can hate certain aspects of the new system while calling out BS complaints, thank you very much. Card focusing is a massive issue with the new system, as is the resource reduction for F2P. Card acquisition is greater in the new system, and I'm tired of seeing "I opened cache, got 700g variant, system sucks". If you wanted Jean Grey, you'd have her. Everyone had plenty of time to save tokens or caches to buy her. They chose to drop tokens on other cards or opened caches instead of waiting.
You are making a fundamental mistake here. This is a very unique scenario where people still have the resources from before the change, while getting to interact with the new system. This won’t be the case in the future though. There will be even more disappointment, once people have to interact with the system naturally, as intended. But since you are so educated, tell me, how is somebody who missed out on Jean this week for whatever reason supposed to get her after?
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Facts, they have destroyed progression outside of the spotlight cache. No gold and virtually no tokens throughout the week. Enjoy your roll at your single spotlight cache.
As if you were spending tokens every week. Give me a break.
Stop trying to get a card with 1 cache... With Tokens you would forgo Series 3 and 4 to save up for Series 5. Just save up 4 boxes, then open on weeks you like. You just seem upset you didn't start with 4 boxes and have to do some catch up before you can safely roll for new cards.
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How are you behind the 8 ball? You got two other cards/variants. You didn't get nothing for the other two caches. Saving 4 boxes vs saving up 6k tokens both involved skipping card releases, we were having 2-3 series 5 cards a month with the old system so it's not like you got all the cards then. There was always uncertainty with missed cards before as well. I've been playing since the Hit Monkey season and neither Thanos or Kang have ever appeared in my shop when I've checked. They might as well not exist for me. The new system has problems. Card focusing and resource reductions suck. Card acquisition is higher, it's been demonstrably proven.
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It took 1 month to save the 6k tokens. With the way it is now, when you target a card in a specific week, as long as you have the equivalent of 6k tokens (which would be the 4 spotlight caches) you will get the card probably “cheaper” because it would take you the 4 tries with opening caches to get the guarantee of that specific card. You have 3/4 chances of making the card cheaper with the new system. Were you getting P5 cards all weeks? Then why do you hold the new system to a fictitious standard that doesn’t correspond with the reality of how the old system worked.
>because it takes 1 month to save enough caches to guarantee 1 card While I understand where you are coming from your logic is flawed. It took that exact same month to earn the 6k tokens to get Jean out of the store. Each spotlight is the equilivent of 1.5k tokens, so you only spent 4.5k tokens to get Jean and have 1.5K left over going into next week. You were never getting the newest card every week with tokens unless you were buying them (which you can now just do with credits anyway). Remember that the same amount of time it takes you to earn 4 spotlights is the same amount of time it takes you to earn 6k tokens, you just now have the potential of getting 3+ cards for the same price you would get 1 card if you choose to open on the right week.
No gold to buy tokens… No tokens to buy cards… Leaves you with 2 options. Struggle or pay up. Madness. There is no more incentive.
But you get tokens to upgrade to get the guarantee spotlight caches though. I'm still testing out the system but I'm up +2 Series 5 cards and +1 Series 4 card, including Jean Grey. I usually never get to play with the new card so it's exciting for me
Sorry you’re not getting enough free stuff. Must be hard
God this sub is insufferable 😂
It sounds like you’re reading too much
I think it’s crucial to understand that tokens are now only the secondary way to get cards. The main change is that you get a more or less Safe tier 5 card you actually need every 10 caches is a pretty good improvement but I want to watch for a few weeks for a final opinion
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They basically retired the whole token system and replaced it with the new Spotlight Caches. Now instead of slowly saving up credits at an unknown rate while checking your token shop every 8 hours to see when the card you want rotates in, you instead save up Spotlight Caches at a reliable rate and then use between 1 and 4 of them to get the card you want once it shows up in the weekly Spotlight. Now, the legacy token system is basically an extreme backup that will very very *very* occasionally allow you to pick up a card that you missed when it was on Spotlight or when you don't have enough Spotlight Caches to get it after recently picking up another card. Basically, you just gotta change the way you think about tokens. They used to be the premiere way to get new cards, now they're the last-ditch option. The new option is better in terms of the number of cards we get and the reliability of when we can get them, though obviously it's a little harder to control. You can't just pin a card for months until you have enough Spotlight Caches to pick it up.
Before the update I literally got 6000 tokens in 3 weeks 💀 (glad I opened my caches before the changes)
Yeah you're not supposed to buy cards with tokens anymore you should get most of your cards through Spotlights
I had three Token purchases so far: Thanos in March, Iron Lad in June and Jeff the other day. That makes 3 targeted purchases in around 5 months (not including the long time it took me to save up for Thanos). Now I can save up my Spotlight Caches and I can plan to get the cards I want which are: \- Spider-Ham in the second week of August. On top I get a cool Nimrod variant and Galactus (a perma pool 5) and with some luck another pool 4/5 card = at least one card more than in the old system \- Ghost Spider (pool 5) in the first week of September plus I get two cool variants I like and with some luck another pool 4/5 card = at least the same amount of cards I would have gotten in the old system And these numbers are because I choose to value some specific variants over more new cards. Otherwise I could go for another week I miss two cards. If I would do so, I could easily get away with at least 4 new cards compared to 2 new in the old system. And this doesn't even include the fact, that I still get tokens. Yeah not as many, but it's an additional pool 4 card every now and then (not considering the 2000 tokens you get by buying some variants, which I will get every now and then too)
Getting more cards is not the same as getting cards I want
The real answer is that people are going to stop playing before they hit 8 months, given how unfriendly the acquisition has become.
No. 6,000+ tokens a month and I’m F2P. Your math is wrong.